Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On 20/01/2010, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: You need a Nikon D700 like Dave Savage uses. I'm sure many of us could well use one but the fckn thing doesn't have a k-mount ;-( -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
2010/1/20 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Dario Bonazza wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: In the midst of PDML Photo Annual image submissions I've just received one of the best shots so far. It was taken at ISO 100. I'm just sayin... Unfortunately, I'm just losing a ballet work I've been doing for some time because shooting @ 3200/6400 with visible noise is no longer accepted by the customer. So now I have to choose between givin'up the small business, trying to manage it with a K-x (and the cons of a low-end body, such as slow changes in settings, no AF indication in finder, etc.) or buying a D700 and lenses/flash/whatever. I'm just sayin too... You need a Nikon D700 like Dave Savage uses. I was shooting some first time film processors/printers in a mates darkroom last night with said camera. Only 1 safe light illuminating the room. I haven't downloaded the card yet, but it'll be interesting to see what I've got. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
2010/1/20 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Dario Bonazza wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: In the midst of PDML Photo Annual image submissions I've just received one of the best shots so far. It was taken at ISO 100. I'm just sayin... Unfortunately, I'm just losing a ballet work I've been doing for some time because shooting @ 3200/6400 with visible noise is no longer accepted by the customer. So now I have to choose between givin'up the small business, trying to manage it with a K-x (and the cons of a low-end body, such as slow changes in settings, no AF indication in finder, etc.) or buying a D700 and lenses/flash/whatever. I'm just sayin too... You need a Nikon D700 like Dave Savage uses. I was shooting some first time film processors/printers in a mates darkroom last night with said camera. Only 1 safe light illuminating the room. I haven't downloaded the card yet, but it'll be interesting to see what I've got. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
2010/1/20 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com: 2010/1/20 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: You need a Nikon D700 like Dave Savage uses. I was shooting some first time film processors/printers in a mates darkroom last night with said camera. Only 1 safe light illuminating the room. I haven't downloaded the card yet, but it'll be interesting to see what I've got. ISO 8000, 24mm, 1/20 @ f2.8. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4290461640_7ba1f1c66a_o.jpg ISO 25600, 125mm, 1/25 @ f4. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4290503442_643a49d099_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:01 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: ISO 8000, 24mm, 1/20 @ f2.8. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4290461640_7ba1f1c66a_o.jpg ISO 25600, 125mm, 1/25 @ f4. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4290503442_643a49d099_o.jpg Now you're just showing off... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
2010/1/20 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:01 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: ISO 8000, 24mm, 1/20 @ f2.8. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4290461640_7ba1f1c66a_o.jpg ISO 25600, 125mm, 1/25 @ f4. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4290503442_643a49d099_o.jpg Now you're just showing off... Maybe just a little. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
Am 19.01.2010 23:17, schrieb Dario Bonazza: .. business, trying to manage it with a K-x (and the cons of a low-end body, such as slow changes in settings, no AF indication in finder, etc.) or buying a D700 and lenses/flash/whatever. Really? Is there no AF indicator in the finder of the K-x? Even my K100D has that, which is also an entry level camera. Steffen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
Steffen Zahn wrote: Really? Is there no AF indicator in the finder of the K-x? Even my K100D has that, which is also an entry level camera. The K-x has no indication of the selected AF point, while focus confirmation is there. Sorry for the lack of precision. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Steffen Zahn wrote: Really? Is there no AF indicator in the finder of the K-x? Even my K100D has that, which is also an entry level camera. The K-x has no indication of the selected AF point, while focus confirmation is there. Sorry for the lack of precision. That wouldn't work at all for me. I'm constantly changing the selected point and locating it on my subject. Can't imagine how anyone can shoot without it. To me, it reduces the camera to point and shoot status or, at best, manual focus only. Paul Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
P N Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Steffen Zahn wrote: Really? Is there no AF indicator in the finder of the K-x? Even my K100D has that, which is also an entry level camera. The K-x has no indication of the selected AF point, while focus confirmation is there. Sorry for the lack of precision. That wouldn't work at all for me. I'm constantly changing the selected point and locating it on my subject. Can't imagine how anyone can shoot without it. You can revert to the old technique of center-spot AF, AF lock and recompose. Not always the quickest and most effective way to shoot, but doable. Before Pentax fixed the AF-selection bug, I did that with the K-7. To me, it reduces the camera to point and shoot status or, at best, manual focus only. That's the main reason for me asking a K-7 with K-x sensor/processor. However, the K-7 AF point selection is not as good as the K20D one, as you risk to enable Live View all the time while trying to change the AF point. It happened to me several times while testing the K-7. After some trial error, such a disaster no longer happened so often, but the fear was enough to slower my K-7 operability at eye level, while the K20D is faultless in that respect. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Steffen Zahn wrote: Really? Is there no AF indicator in the finder of the K-x? Even my K100D has that, which is also an entry level camera. The K-x has no indication of the selected AF point, while focus confirmation is there. Sorry for the lack of precision. That wouldn't work at all for me. I'm constantly changing the selected point and locating it on my subject. Can't imagine how anyone can shoot without it. You can revert to the old technique of center-spot AF, AF lock and recompose. Not always the quickest and most effective way to shoot, but doable. Before Pentax fixed the AF-selection bug, I did that with the K-7. To me, it reduces the camera to point and shoot status or, at best, manual focus only. That's the main reason for me asking a K-7 with K-x sensor/ processor. However, the K-7 AF point selection is not as good as the K20D one, as you risk to enable Live View all the time while trying to change the AF point. It happened to me several times while testing the K-7. After some trial error, such a disaster no longer happened so often, but the fear was enough to slower my K-7 operability at eye level, while the K20D is faultless in that respect. Yes, I turned on live view a few times when I first started using the K7D, but like anything else, I got used to it. Now, more than 10K frames later it's not a problem at all. I don't like the focus and recompose solution, because you change the distance to the focal point when you recompose. When shooting wide open with fast glass, that's enough to throw the critical point out of focus. Paul Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On 21/01/2010, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I don't like the focus and recompose solution, because you change the distance to the focal point when you recompose. When shooting wide open with fast glass, that's enough to throw the critical point out of focus. Each to their own, the lack of focus point indicators in my K-x is of no consequence to me as I've turned them off in every camera I own. Firstly I find them highly distracting, I find auto AF spot selection completely unpredictable and manually changing AF spots slow, tedious and disruptive of my shooting style. I've heard the theories but the focus/recompose problem but it's the way I work (with fast glass, centre point only) and I rarely experience focus errors (when the AF system can keep up with the subject). Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: It's a hard decision... I like K-7's feel and AF-performance and other features better, but as many pointed out, K-x's matrix is _MUCH_ better at high ISO. Thanks a bunch. This makes it a lot easier for me to wait for a camera with the K-7's features, focusing etc. and the K-X high iso performance. It also makes me feel much better about getting the K20 rather than waiting, and paying a lot more, for the K7. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
Igor Roshchin wrote: I had a chance to test K-x over the weekend using high-ISO in low-light setting. As I wrote in another thread, it was very underwhelming with 16-50/2.8, but that was a problem of the lens (in my very subjective opinion). It did great with 50-135/2.8: ISO-3200: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP4428.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0114.html ISO-1600: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0292.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0310.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0323.html It's a hard decision... I like K-7's feel and AF-performance and other features better, but as many pointed out, K-x's matrix is _MUCH_ better at high ISO. Speaking of boats... welcome on board, Igor. Together with Bill Robb and I, we are now three men in a boat (to say nothing of the K-9...err... dog) asking for a K-7 equipped with the K-x sensor/processor. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
Igor Roshchin wrote: It's a hard decision... I like K-7's feel and AF-performance and other features better, but as many pointed out, K-x's matrix is _MUCH_ better at high ISO. BTW, a K-7 equipped with the K-x sensor/processor would make a Pentax FF camera much less urgent. Hoya, are you listening? Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
Wow, that is impressive, but everything does great with the DA* 50-135mm :-). Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org To: PDML@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:18 AM Subject: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x I had a chance to test K-x over the weekend using high-ISO in low-light setting. As I wrote in another thread, it was very underwhelming with 16-50/2.8, but that was a problem of the lens (in my very subjective opinion). It did great with 50-135/2.8: ISO-3200: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP4428.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0114.html ISO-1600: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0292.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0310.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0323.html It's a hard decision... I like K-7's feel and AF-performance and other features better, but as many pointed out, K-x's matrix is _MUCH_ better at high ISO. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
These are excellent, but k7 is rather good at relatively high ISO as well. Better than most give it credit for. This pic, shown here recently, is at 1600, and even with contrast boosting to give it a gritty look, the noise is minimal: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10521648 On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:18 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: I had a chance to test K-x over the weekend using high-ISO in low-light setting. As I wrote in another thread, it was very underwhelming with 16-50/2.8, but that was a problem of the lens (in my very subjective opinion). It did great with 50-135/2.8: ISO-3200: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP4428.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0114.html ISO-1600: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0292.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0310.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0323.html It's a hard decision... I like K-7's feel and AF-performance and other features better, but as many pointed out, K-x's matrix is _MUCH_ better at high ISO. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:19 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Igor Roshchin wrote: It's a hard decision... I like K-7's feel and AF-performance and other features better, but as many pointed out, K-x's matrix is _MUCH_ better at high ISO. BTW, a K-7 equipped with the K-x sensor/processor would make a Pentax FF camera much less urgent. Hoya, are you listening? If you would like to speak to a representative, please press 1. Dave Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
Tue Jan 19 02:43:20 CST 2010 Dario Bonazza wrote: Igor Roshchin wrote: I had a chance to test K-x over the weekend using high-ISO in low-light setting. As I wrote in another thread, it was very underwhelming with 16-50/2.8, but that was a problem of the lens (in my very subjective opinion). It did great with 50-135/2.8: ISO-3200: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP4428.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0114.html ISO-1600: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0292.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0310.html http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0323.html It's a hard decision... I like K-7's feel and AF-performance and other features better, but as many pointed out, K-x's matrix is _MUCH_ better at high ISO. Speaking of boats... welcome on board, Igor. Together with Bill Robb and I, we are now three men in a boat (to say nothing of the K-9...err... dog) asking for a K-7 equipped with the K-x sensor/processor. Dario HAR! And as we all learned in another thread, - K-9 doesn't let Bill to switch from Pentax. Igor Tue Jan 19 08:52:05 CST 2010 David J Brooks wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:19 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bonazza at virgilio.it wrote: Igor Roshchin wrote: It's a hard decision... I like K-7's feel and AF-performance and other features better, but as many pointed out, K-x's matrix is _MUCH_ better at high ISO. BTW, a K-7 equipped with the K-x sensor/processor would make a Pentax FF camera much less urgent. Hoya, are you listening? If you would like to speak to a representative, please press 1. If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly. ... If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call. It will be ignored. Tue Jan 19 06:55:02 CST 2010 paul stenquist wrote: These are excellent, but k7 is rather good at relatively high ISO as well. Better than most give it credit for. This pic, shown here recently, is at 1600, and even with contrast boosting to give it a gritty look, the noise is minimal: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10521648 That's a very nice photo! Paul, I agree that it is possible to do good pictures with K-7 at 1600. - I posted one just recently http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2010-January/205671.html My point is rather that with K-x one can push further; and it is also more consistent. I suspect that at high ISO-s K-7's latitude become very shallow, and hence slightly larger dynamic range of the scene or slight error in the exposure (underexposure) make the photo unusable. All three of the ISO-1600 that I listed, were pushed by +0.3- +0.6 up in exposure (in LR). This one: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0172.html was pushed to +1. Tue Jan 19 06:13:08 CST 2010 Christine Aguila wrote: Wow, that is impressive, but everything does great with the DA* 50-135mm :-). Cheers, Christine Is it like ketchup? ;-) Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Paul, I agree that it is possible to do good pictures with K-7 at 1600. - I posted one just recently http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2010-January/205671.html My point is rather that with K-x one can push further; and it is also more consistent. Interesting. But you say below that you had to push the exposure in three shots. I find the metering in the K7 to be extremely accurate, and I rarely have to push a shot in conversion. Consistency is one of that camera's main virtues. Paul I suspect that at high ISO-s K-7's latitude become very shallow, and hence slightly larger dynamic range of the scene or slight error in the exposure (underexposure) make the photo unusable. All three of the ISO-1600 that I listed, were pushed by +0.3- +0.6 up in exposure (in LR). This one: http://42graphy.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IGP0172.html was pushed to +1. Tue Jan 19 06:13:08 CST 2010 Christine Aguila wrote: Wow, that is impressive, but everything does great with the DA* 50-135mm :-). Cheers, Christine Is it like ketchup? ;-) Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tue Jan 19 10:59:30 CST 2010 P N Stenquist wrote: On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Paul, I agree that it is possible to do good pictures with K-7 at 1600. - I posted one just recently http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2010-January/205671.html My point is rather that with K-x one can push further; and it is also more consistent. Interesting. But you say below that you had to push the exposure in three shots. I find the metering in the K7 to be extremely accurate, and I rarely have to push a shot in conversion. Consistency is one of that camera's main virtues. Paul I didn't get a feel yet whether the accuracy of exponometry of K-x is much different from that of K-7. With very limited base and very subjectively, I can say that about the speed of AF. K-7 is indeed much more consistent (I compare to the previous body I have: *istDS), - and that's what I like about it. However, with the K-7, at least with the indoor shots, and especially with the flash, - I have the compensation set to +0.3 - +0.7, most of the time, and for long-distance shots with the flash (AF 540 FGZ) - up to +1.0. I also had a either +0.3 or +0.7 compensation set for K-x for those shots. I remember somebody else here (Boris?) saying that they have to set the compensation for indoor shots on their K-7 to +0.5 - +1. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Igor Roshchin Christine Aguila wrote: Wow, that is impressive, but everything does great with the DA* 50-135mm :-) . Cheers, Christine Is it like ketchup? ;-) Don't think it has natural mellowing agents. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
2010/1/19 Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it: Speaking of boats... welcome on board, Igor. Together with Bill Robb and I, we are now three men in a boat (to say nothing of the K-9...err... dog) asking for a K-7 equipped with the K-x sensor/processor. Dario Well squeeze up, cos I'm coming on board too. I was going to purchase a K-7 when it dipped below $1k. Until I saw the K-x's performance at high ISO. No, the K-7 isn't bad, but the K-x wipes its multicoloured rear end with it at high ISO. I will happily pay $1,300 for a K-7x, or whatever they want to call it. Row, row, row y'er boat Gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, K-7x is but a dreeam... --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:55 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: These are excellent, but k7 is rather good at relatively high ISO as well. Granted. I think the issue isn't the absolute performance, it's that it really isn't much of a step up from the K20, and that the K-x is a step from it. So for a lot of us who are sitting in K10/20-land, it's sensible to sit tight and let Pentax have another go at it before we upgrade. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Tim Bray wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:55 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: These are excellent, but k7 is rather good at relatively high ISO as well. Granted. I think the issue isn't the absolute performance, it's that it really isn't much of a step up from the K20, After 10K frames with the K7D and about 30K with the K20, I'd say the difference between the two is night and day. Far better exposure accuracy. Really no contest in that regard. Better autofocus. Outstanding build quality, and a much better menu system. High ISO performance is fine for everything I do, and it's certainly better than the K20, probably due to the exposu4re accuracy. Paul and that the K-x is a step from it. So for a lot of us who are sitting in K10/20-land, it's sensible to sit tight and let Pentax have another go at it before we upgrade. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:48:46PM -0800, Tim Bray wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:55 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: These are excellent, but k7 is rather good at relatively high ISO as well. Granted. I think the issue isn't the absolute performance, it's that it really isn't much of a step up from the K20, and that the K-x is a step from it. So for a lot of us who are sitting in K10/20-land, it's sensible to sit tight and let Pentax have another go at it before we upgrade. -T The question is whether the K-x performance comes from the larger pixel sites or in post-exposure processing. I do not expect pentax to downgrade the K-7 sensor to the same pixel count as the K-x; to do so would either mean giving up the frame rate of the K-7 or using a different sensor (which would add expense). Downgrade is in quotes because for almost all purposes there are more than enough pixels in a K-x. But, again, for almost all purposes the K-7 does well enough at high ISO, and for almost all purposes the high frame rate of the K-7 is unnecessary (although it does also add to the responsiveness of the camera in single shot mode). But Pentax chose to satisfy frame rate and pixel count concerns in the K-7; they won't back away from that in a K-7x. I would expect to see any improvements in in-camera processing make it into such a model. But I'm not sure we'll see any such thing in the next year or two - what other changes would there be to warrant a new model? Just new firmware? I can think of a whole raft of things Pentax *could* do (improved AF algorthms; more AF sensors to go with that; wireless connectivity; c.) But I don't *expect* to see any of them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
In the midst of PDML Photo Annual image submissions I've just received one of the best shots so far. It was taken at ISO 100. I'm just sayin... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
Mark Roberts wrote: In the midst of PDML Photo Annual image submissions I've just received one of the best shots so far. It was taken at ISO 100. I'm just sayin... Unfortunately, I'm just losing a ballet work I've been doing for some time because shooting @ 3200/6400 with visible noise is no longer accepted by the customer. So now I have to choose between givin'up the small business, trying to manage it with a K-x (and the cons of a low-end body, such as slow changes in settings, no AF indication in finder, etc.) or buying a D700 and lenses/flash/whatever. I'm just sayin too... Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am impressed - high-ISO performance of K-x
Dario Bonazza wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: In the midst of PDML Photo Annual image submissions I've just received one of the best shots so far. It was taken at ISO 100. I'm just sayin... Unfortunately, I'm just losing a ballet work I've been doing for some time because shooting @ 3200/6400 with visible noise is no longer accepted by the customer. So now I have to choose between givin'up the small business, trying to manage it with a K-x (and the cons of a low-end body, such as slow changes in settings, no AF indication in finder, etc.) or buying a D700 and lenses/flash/whatever. I'm just sayin too... You need a Nikon D700 like Dave Savage uses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
