Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
On 06/02/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What has film got to do with the K10D's lack of ISO 3200? I can appreciate that in certain situations the advantages of having ISO 3200 available outweigh it's disadvantages. I've taken very usable printable ISO 1600/3200 shots with the *istD (after some creative use of noise reduction) I've taken pictures at ISO 1600 on the K10D that no amount of noise reduction could help. Different strokes all that. Absolutely, and it's not really strange that the people who would be likely to use it would want it, pity about the noise. ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Maybe you should have your camera checked out, David. I find that noise at 1600 with my K10D is quite minimal, less than with my *istD. This is shot at 1600, and it's cropped to about 60%. No noise reduction. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5247870size=lg Paul On 06/02/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What has film got to do with the K10D's lack of ISO 3200? I can appreciate that in certain situations the advantages of having ISO 3200 available outweigh it's disadvantages. I've taken very usable printable ISO 1600/3200 shots with the *istD (after some creative use of noise reduction) I've taken pictures at ISO 1600 on the K10D that no amount of noise reduction could help. Different strokes all that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Sweet shot Paul. I admit, I have got good results at 1600 with the K10D in decent light. But in really poor light the shots I have are quite noisy. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should have your camera checked out, David. I find that noise at 1600 with my K10D is quite minimal, less than with my *istD. This is shot at 1600, and it's cropped to about 60%. No noise reduction. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5247870size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Thanks. Maybe they're underexposed a bit? This shot was taken in very dim light. Just a bit of room tungsten lighting at night. But it's right on with exposure. I think it was something like f2 @ 1/8th second. On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:47 AM, David Savage wrote: Sweet shot Paul. I admit, I have got good results at 1600 with the K10D in decent light. But in really poor light the shots I have are quite noisy. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should have your camera checked out, David. I find that noise at 1600 with my K10D is quite minimal, less than with my *istD. This is shot at 1600, and it's cropped to about 60%. No noise reduction. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5247870size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
On 2/06/07 8:15 AM, Paul Stenquist, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This shot was taken in very dim light. Just a bit of room tungsten lighting at night. That's amazing Paul. It looks as if it was under a full lighting. Perhaps you brightened it up a bit. I see no appreciable noise for 1600. BTW, amazing Grace! Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Oh the under exposed shots are terrible (the K10D is less forgiving than the D when it comes to exposure IMO). But even the correctly exposed frames have this streaky blue channel noise through it. In the busy parts of the shot isn't so noticeable, but in the black areas it stands out like a sore thumb to me. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Maybe they're underexposed a bit? This shot was taken in very dim light. Just a bit of room tungsten lighting at night. But it's right on with exposure. I think it was something like f2 @ 1/8th second. On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:47 AM, David Savage wrote: Sweet shot Paul. I admit, I have got good results at 1600 with the K10D in decent light. But in really poor light the shots I have are quite noisy. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should have your camera checked out, David. I find that noise at 1600 with my K10D is quite minimal, less than with my *istD. This is shot at 1600, and it's cropped to about 60%. No noise reduction. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5247870size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Paul, I suggest each time you describe the way you took a shot you insert a word steady somewhere ;-). On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Maybe they're underexposed a bit? This shot was taken in very dim light. Just a bit of room tungsten lighting at night. But it's right on with exposure. I think it was something like f2 @ 1/8th second. On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:47 AM, David Savage wrote: Sweet shot Paul. I admit, I have got good results at 1600 with the K10D in decent light. But in really poor light the shots I have are quite noisy. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should have your camera checked out, David. I find that noise at 1600 with my K10D is quite minimal, less than with my *istD. This is shot at 1600, and it's cropped to about 60%. No noise reduction. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5247870size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Yes, it's considerably brighter than the actual lighting. Quite a bit colder as well. But it seemed to look good that way. Paul -- Original message -- From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2/06/07 8:15 AM, Paul Stenquist, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This shot was taken in very dim light. Just a bit of room tungsten lighting at night. That's amazing Paul. It looks as if it was under a full lighting. Perhaps you brightened it up a bit. I see no appreciable noise for 1600. BTW, amazing Grace! Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
The blue channel streaking was reportedly fixed with the last firmware upgrade. We shall see. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh the under exposed shots are terrible (the K10D is less forgiving than the D when it comes to exposure IMO). But even the correctly exposed frames have this streaky blue channel noise through it. In the busy parts of the shot isn't so noticeable, but in the black areas it stands out like a sore thumb to me. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Maybe they're underexposed a bit? This shot was taken in very dim light. Just a bit of room tungsten lighting at night. But it's right on with exposure. I think it was something like f2 @ 1/8th second. On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:47 AM, David Savage wrote: Sweet shot Paul. I admit, I have got good results at 1600 with the K10D in decent light. But in really poor light the shots I have are quite noisy. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should have your camera checked out, David. I find that noise at 1600 with my K10D is quite minimal, less than with my *istD. This is shot at 1600, and it's cropped to about 60%. No noise reduction. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5247870size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
How about Shake Reduction? :-) Paul -- Original message -- From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, I suggest each time you describe the way you took a shot you insert a word steady somewhere ;-). On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Maybe they're underexposed a bit? This shot was taken in very dim light. Just a bit of room tungsten lighting at night. But it's right on with exposure. I think it was something like f2 @ 1/8th second. On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:47 AM, David Savage wrote: Sweet shot Paul. I admit, I have got good results at 1600 with the K10D in decent light. But in really poor light the shots I have are quite noisy. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should have your camera checked out, David. I find that noise at 1600 with my K10D is quite minimal, less than with my *istD. This is shot at 1600, and it's cropped to about 60%. No noise reduction. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5247870size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Yes, that would be in line with modern times... On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Shake Reduction? :-) Paul -- Original message -- From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, I suggest each time you describe the way you took a shot you insert a word steady somewhere ;-). On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Maybe they're underexposed a bit? This shot was taken in very dim light. Just a bit of room tungsten lighting at night. But it's right on with exposure. I think it was something like f2 @ 1/8th second. On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:47 AM, David Savage wrote: Sweet shot Paul. I admit, I have got good results at 1600 with the K10D in decent light. But in really poor light the shots I have are quite noisy. Cheers, Dave On 2/6/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should have your camera checked out, David. I find that noise at 1600 with my K10D is quite minimal, less than with my *istD. This is shot at 1600, and it's cropped to about 60%. No noise reduction. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5247870size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
On 07/02/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The blue channel streaking was reportedly fixed with the last firmware upgrade. We shall see. Not so I believe, the blue channel noise is a sensor product and we are likely stuck with it. Whereas the problem that was fixed (solid vertical bars of colour noise) was a function of how the dark frame reference pixels were averaged from what I understand. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D @ ISO 3200 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:35:56 +1100 On 07/02/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The blue channel streaking was reportedly fixed with the last firmware upgrade. We shall see. Not so I believe, the blue channel noise is a sensor product and we are likely stuck with it. Whereas the problem that was fixed (solid vertical bars of colour noise) was a function of how the dark frame reference pixels were averaged from what I understand. -- Rob Studdert I wonder if this was the problem seen in my last moon shot with the *ist D when noise reduction was turned on. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
On 07/02/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if this was the problem seen in my last moon shot with the *ist D when noise reduction was turned on. My apologies Tom, I shouldn't have said dark frame, I meant the sensors masked dark reference pixels. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D @ ISO 3200 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:11:52 +1100 On 07/02/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if this was the problem seen in my last moon shot with the *ist D when noise reduction was turned on. My apologies Tom, I shouldn't have said dark frame, I meant the sensors masked dark reference pixels. -- Rob Studdert No need to apologise, Rob good buddy. :-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D @ ISO 3200
Good question, Godfrey. I shot 1600 ASA Fuji film, which were actually sharper than the 800 ASA version. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/382122120/ Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Godfrey DiGiorgi Sendt: 5. februar 2007 22:27 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: K10D @ ISO 3200 Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the subject a lot. Sometimes so much, I cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I shoot Raw)DGN it's probably OK to brighten up later. Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when you get to an 11x14 inch print. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: 02/05/2007 14:04 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 02/06/2007 10:22 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Nice photo! I'd love to see an 11x14 print of that ... to see how that film stands up to enlargement. A web rez derived from a scan really tells almost nothing about the print you can make from it. G On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Good question, Godfrey. I shot 1600 ASA Fuji film, which were actually sharper than the 800 ASA version. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/382122120/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D @ ISO 3200
True. I hardly ever do prints anymore - only for camera club competitions and for bacgrunds for 3D drawings/computer animations and stuff like that. When I do prints it's often belw 30x40 cm. And of course for news letters and stuff like that. The White Elf Shots were just used for a desk top presentation (Wondershare Flash Slide Show Builder). This is a *ist D ISO 3200 shot IIRC: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/39757593/in/photostream/ Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Godfrey DiGiorgi Sendt: 7. februar 2007 00:02 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: K10D @ ISO 3200 Nice photo! I'd love to see an 11x14 print of that ... to see how that film stands up to enlargement. A web rez derived from a scan really tells almost nothing about the print you can make from it. G On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Good question, Godfrey. I shot 1600 ASA Fuji film, which were actually sharper than the 800 ASA version. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/382122120/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 02/06/2007 10:22 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 02/06/2007 10:22 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
I made a 12 x 18 print from Fuji 1600. It was grainy of course, but nice. The high speed Fuji color print film is rather good. Ditto Kodak's Portra 800. Paul On Feb 6, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Nice photo! I'd love to see an 11x14 print of that ... to see how that film stands up to enlargement. A web rez derived from a scan really tells almost nothing about the print you can make from it. G On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Good question, Godfrey. I shot 1600 ASA Fuji film, which were actually sharper than the 800 ASA version. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/382122120/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
I was always disappointed in the quality of 35mm color work enlarged to 11x or bigger unless I was shooting with ASA 100 film. That's why I loved medium format so much for larger prints. 5x7 or 8x12 wasn't as much of an issue. G On Feb 6, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I made a 12 x 18 print from Fuji 1600. It was grainy of course, but nice. The high speed Fuji color print film is rather good. Ditto Kodak's Portra 800. Paul On Feb 6, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Nice photo! I'd love to see an 11x14 print of that ... to see how that film stands up to enlargement. A web rez derived from a scan really tells almost nothing about the print you can make from it. G On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Good question, Godfrey. I shot 1600 ASA Fuji film, which were actually sharper than the 800 ASA version. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/382122120/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
I certainly prefer MF enlargements for the most part, but sometimes grain is cool. This is the Fuji 1600 shot that I printed at 12x18. It was shot for a Toyota television commercial that included some stills, but I liked it as a big print. I printed it on an Epson 1200, and it hung in my sunny office for quite a few years, so it's faded now. Maybe I'll reprint it one of these days on the R2400. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=971474 Paul On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I was always disappointed in the quality of 35mm color work enlarged to 11x or bigger unless I was shooting with ASA 100 film. That's why I loved medium format so much for larger prints. 5x7 or 8x12 wasn't as much of an issue. G On Feb 6, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I made a 12 x 18 print from Fuji 1600. It was grainy of course, but nice. The high speed Fuji color print film is rather good. Ditto Kodak's Portra 800. Paul On Feb 6, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Nice photo! I'd love to see an 11x14 print of that ... to see how that film stands up to enlargement. A web rez derived from a scan really tells almost nothing about the print you can make from it. G On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Good question, Godfrey. I shot 1600 ASA Fuji film, which were actually sharper than the 800 ASA version. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/382122120/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
The rumor has it that in the future Pentax will release a camera micro code that will enable both ISO 50 and ISO 3200 'cause one of the beta versions had it. Currently we're confined to 100-1600 range. Cheers. On 2/5/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard ther's a setting somewhere that will allow for exposing according to ISO 3200. I can't find anything in the manual. Is this true? How? Regards Jens Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: 02/05/2007 14:04 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D @ ISO 3200
Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the subject a lot. Sometimes so much, I cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I shoot Raw)DGN it's probably OK to brighten up later. Thanks anywasy for answering, Boris. Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Boris Liberman Sendt: 5. februar 2007 17:12 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: K10D @ ISO 3200 The rumor has it that in the future Pentax will release a camera micro code that will enable both ISO 50 and ISO 3200 'cause one of the beta versions had it. Currently we're confined to 100-1600 range. Cheers. On 2/5/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard ther's a setting somewhere that will allow for exposing according to ISO 3200. I can't find anything in the manual. Is this true? How? Regards Jens Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: 02/05/2007 14:04 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: 02/05/2007 14:04 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: 02/05/2007 14:04 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: K10D @ ISO 3200 Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the subject a lot. Sometimes so much, I cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I shoot Raw)DGN it's probably OK to brighten up later. You might find that this works farily well. I just did a QD shot of my living room at ISO1600, with 1 stop of under exposure keyed into the exposure comp. The results were really noisy, so I ran the file through a heavy handed noise reduction. It doesn't look quite real anymore, but if I had to shoot that way, I expect I would spend more time perfecting the NR I applied. Kodak (through Applied Science Fiction) has a PS plug in called Digital Gem, which works surprisingly well for removing noise. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the subject a lot. Sometimes so much, I cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I shoot Raw)DGN it's probably OK to brighten up later. Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when you get to an 11x14 inch print. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
I'm looking forward only to the 50. J --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the subject a lot. Sometimes so much, I cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I shoot Raw)DGN it's probably OK to brighten up later. Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when you get to an 11x14 inch print. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D @ ISO 3200
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 01:27:22PM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the subject a lot. Sometimes so much, I cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I shoot Raw)DGN it's probably OK to brighten up later. Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when you get to an 11x14 inch print. Portra 800 wasn't bad. And I certtainly wouldn't call Kodak's 400 speed version of Portra, or their previous 400 film (what was that? Sentra 400?) crap, even for large prints (assuming you think you can go larger than 8x12 from 35mm). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:28 PM, John Francis wrote: Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when you get to an 11x14 inch print. Portra 800 wasn't bad. And I certtainly wouldn't call Kodak's 400 speed version of Portra, or their previous 400 film (what was that? Sentra 400?) crap, even for large prints (assuming you think you can go larger than 8x12 from 35mm). I think one ought to be able to get 11x magnification out of film, more like 15-16x, but only with film that's of adequate quality, properly exposed and processed, focused well. I've seen very little ASA 400 color film from 35mm format that I would be happy to make 11x14 prints with that was more than ASA100. BW? Yes; more can make it to a decent sized print at least. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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At 06:27 AM 6/02/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: From: Jens Bladt Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the subject a lot. Sometimes so much, I cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I shoot Raw)DGN it's probably OK to brighten up later. Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when you get to an 11x14 inch print. What has film got to do with the K10D's lack of ISO 3200? I can appreciate that in certain situations the advantages of having ISO 3200 available outweigh it's disadvantages. I've taken very usable printable ISO 1600/3200 shots with the *istD (after some creative use of noise reduction) I've taken pictures at ISO 1600 on the K10D that no amount of noise reduction could help. Different strokes all that. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/14/06 12:51 AM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since they claim and extra stop in SR over the K100D maybe that's where the extra stop is coming from. According to a Japanese article, extra stop comes from more robust magnet/coil over K100D's and the improved SR algorithm. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 13/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: While I generally agree, I found the Pentax DSLR's to produce very film-like results at high ISO's. The Canon and Nikon's are more objectionable (Although my D50 is extremely clean at 800). And for those who don't find it objectionable: http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare6.html ISO 1600 from a RAW file. I've lightened the detail pic to illustrate noise better. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I quit like that don't find it objectionable at all. Sometimes I forget how good a snapper you are. :-) Dave At 03:18 PM 14/09/2006, you wrote: On 13/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: While I generally agree, I found the Pentax DSLR's to produce very film-like results at high ISO's. The Canon and Nikon's are more objectionable (Although my D50 is extremely clean at 800). And for those who don't find it objectionable: http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare6.html ISO 1600 from a RAW file. I've lightened the detail pic to illustrate noise better. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 14/9/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Sometimes I forget how good a snapper you are. You can simulate my aperture any time you like. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The temptation. But I wouldn't do that. From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/9/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Sometimes I forget how good a slapper you are. You can stimulate my aperture any time you like. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/14/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The temptation. But I wouldn't do that. Since when? Go for it ;-) From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/9/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Sometimes I forget how good a slapper you are. You can stimulate my aperture any time you like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/14/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/9/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Sometimes I forget how good a snapper you are. You can simulate my aperture any time you like. Good thing I just finished my drink... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: .. or so says Pentax Imaging. http://tinyurl.com/gulfl Shel And if you click on Specifications, it goes to 1600. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote: .. or so says Pentax Imaging. http://tinyurl.com/gulfl Shel And if you click on Specifications, it goes to 1600. And if you read at the bottom, it says Specifications are subject to change. LOL. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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For me, the high ISO settings are irrelevant. I don't even like using 400 on my DL as the noise is unacceptable to me. Anything higher and the noise is so bad i can't see myself using shots taken at high ISOs for anything more than snapshots. One thing I don't like about my DL is the fact that it only goes down to 200. I'm looking forward to having 100iso on the K10D. - Original Message - From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote: .. or so says Pentax Imaging. http://tinyurl.com/gulfl Shel And if you click on Specifications, it goes to 1600. And if you read at the bottom, it says Specifications are subject to change. LOL. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't know about the DL but I find on the D ISO 1600 3200 are very usable. Especially with the judicious use of noise reduction software in PP. http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_1.htm http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Noise%20Test/Misc_008.htm Sometimes it's the difference between getting the shot and getting a blurry blob ;-) Cheers, Dave At 10:00 AM 14/09/2006, J and K Messervy wrote: For me, the high ISO settings are irrelevant. I don't even like using 400 on my DL as the noise is unacceptable to me. Anything higher and the noise is so bad i can't see myself using shots taken at high ISOs for anything more than snapshots. One thing I don't like about my DL is the fact that it only goes down to 200. I'm looking forward to having 100iso on the K10D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's definitely a horses for courses thing. I like film grain, but really dislike digital noise. - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ... I don't know about the DL but I find on the D ISO 1600 3200 are very usable. Especially with the judicious use of noise reduction software in PP. http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_1.htm http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Noise%20Test/Misc_008.htm Sometimes it's the difference between getting the shot and getting a blurry blob ;-) Cheers, Dave At 10:00 AM 14/09/2006, J and K Messervy wrote: For me, the high ISO settings are irrelevant. I don't even like using 400 on my DL as the noise is unacceptable to me. Anything higher and the noise is so bad i can't see myself using shots taken at high ISOs for anything more than snapshots. One thing I don't like about my DL is the fact that it only goes down to 200. I'm looking forward to having 100iso on the K10D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Totally agree..on both counts. Due to my shooting habits, I haven't shot with anything faster than ISO 100 in many years. Jack --- J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, the high ISO settings are irrelevant. I don't even like using 400 on my DL as the noise is unacceptable to me. Anything higher and the noise is so bad i can't see myself using shots taken at high ISOs for anything more than snapshots. One thing I don't like about my DL is the fact that it only goes down to 200. I'm looking forward to having 100iso on the K10D. - Original Message - From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote: .. or so says Pentax Imaging. http://tinyurl.com/gulfl Shel And if you click on Specifications, it goes to 1600. And if you read at the bottom, it says Specifications are subject to change. LOL. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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While I generally agree, I found the Pentax DSLR's to produce very film-like results at high ISO's. The Canon and Nikon's are more objectionable (Although my D50 is extremely clean at 800). -Adam J and K Messervy wrote: It's definitely a horses for courses thing. I like film grain, but really dislike digital noise. - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ... I don't know about the DL but I find on the D ISO 1600 3200 are very usable. Especially with the judicious use of noise reduction software in PP. http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_1.htm http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Noise%20Test/Misc_008.htm Sometimes it's the difference between getting the shot and getting a blurry blob ;-) Cheers, Dave At 10:00 AM 14/09/2006, J and K Messervy wrote: For me, the high ISO settings are irrelevant. I don't even like using 400 on my DL as the noise is unacceptable to me. Anything higher and the noise is so bad i can't see myself using shots taken at high ISOs for anything more than snapshots. One thing I don't like about my DL is the fact that it only goes down to 200. I'm looking forward to having 100iso on the K10D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sensitivity equivalent... Since they claim and extra stop in SR over the K100D maybe that's where the extra stop is coming from. I didn't see it in the preview of the Custom Menu on the dpreview site. Shel Belinkoff wrote: .. or so says Pentax Imaging. http://tinyurl.com/gulfl Shel -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Most complaints about excessive noise at reasonable ISO settings are, in my experience, almost always due to underexposure. Digital exposure evaluation should be predicated on getting as much exposure as possible without saturating the pixels where you want detail in the highlights, and then adjusting the RAW conversion curve to accommodate the specific lighting circumstances. While I shoot primarily at ISO 200-400 to increase dynamic range as much as possible, I've gotten excellent, low noise results even at ISO 1600 with proper exposure. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
