Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Adam Maas wrote: > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? > Yes. In addition, it will arrive quite a few years after promised, stripped of most of the hoped-for new features. It will also be slower than the K20D and none of the existing lenses will fit it. However it will be painted in bright primary colours and have the ability to appear semi-translucent when you adjust a large dial on the back. And the on/off button will have been re-labeled "Start". -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On Tue, 13 May 2008 14:46:37 -0400, Bruce Walker wrote > Adam Maas wrote: > > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pe ntax_join_forces/ > > > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? > > > > Yes. In addition, it will arrive quite a few years after promised, > stripped of most of the hoped-for new features. It will also be > slower than the K20D and none of the existing lenses will fit it. > > However it will be painted in bright primary colours and have the > ability to appear semi-translucent when you adjust a large dial on > the back. > > And the on/off button will have been re-labeled "Start". > > -bmw You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time you alter something in the settings menu 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time you > alter something in the settings menu 8) And when you buy a new lens, you'll get a message that says, "The camera has detected new hardware", and it will ask you to insert a CD with drivers. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? Only if they get Microsoft to write firmware updates William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time you >> alter something in the settings menu 8) > > And when you buy a new lens, you'll get a message that says, "The > camera has detected new hardware", and it will ask you to insert a CD > with drivers. > Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license Drew -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote > Matthew Hunt wrote: > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time you > >> alter something in the settings menu 8) > > > > And when you buy a new lens, you'll get a message that says, "The > > camera has detected new hardware", and it will ask you to insert a CD > > with drivers. > > > Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization > code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license > Drew Then the lens police will come knocking every time it performs an illegal operation. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
John Whittingham wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote >> Matthew Hunt wrote: >>> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time > you alter something in the settings menu 8) >>> And when you buy a new lens, you'll get a message that says, "The >>> camera has detected new hardware", and it will ask you to insert a CD >>> with drivers. >>> >> Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization >> code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license >> Drew > > Then the lens police will come knocking every time it performs an illegal > operation. > > John and Microsoft/hoya will claim ownership of all images created with their products because you didn't see the clause in the license agreement... drew. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
John Whittingham wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote > >> Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization >> code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license >> Drew >> > > Then the lens police will come knocking every time it performs an illegal > operation. > The shutter release will stick if you focus on any scene that has ever been photographed and printed before. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Adam Maas wrote: > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Any guesses as to which Pentax patents Microsoft is interested in? Here's mine: The horizontally-sliding lens design of the "Altoids tin" Optio cameras. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:18 -0400, Bruce Walker wrote > John Whittingham wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote > > > >> Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization > >> code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license > >> Drew > >> > > > > Then the lens police will come knocking every time it performs an illegal > > operation. > > > > The shutter release will stick if you focus on any scene that has > ever been photographed and printed before. > > -bmw Every time you format your memory card it will ask...Are you sure? Really?. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:18 -0400, Bruce Walker wrote > John Whittingham wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote > > > >> Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization > >> code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license > >> Drew > >> > > > > Then the lens police will come knocking every time it performs an illegal > > operation. > > > > The shutter release will stick if you focus on any scene that has > ever been photographed and printed before. > > -bmw At least once a year the camera will fail to power up and you'll have to start it from a bootable SD card. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? But according to Dave Brook's rumour posted from DPreview yesterday, Pentax is heading into oblivion. Why would MS be interested in a sinking company? cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
It means that Pentax Technical support will now tell you absolutely true things that are totally useless in solving your problem. I really want the "Cotty Reply" to this one. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/08 1:46 PM >>> http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4829d3f6164395408117472! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Or maybe the IS algorithms so when you get mad and start shaking your monitor. >>> "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/08 1:46 PM >>> http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4829d3f6164395408117472! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On Tue, 13 May 2008 16:00:36 -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote > Or maybe the IS algorithms so when you get mad and start shaking your > monitor. > > >>> "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/08 1:46 PM >>> > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pe ntax_join_forces/ > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? They'll change the menu appearance and structure every couple of years until it's completely FUBAR John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:53 PM, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ > > > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? > > But according to Dave Brook's rumour posted from DPreview yesterday, > Pentax is heading into oblivion. > > Why would MS be interested in a sinking company? > > cheers, > frank > > They did try to buy Yahoo. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On 13/5/08, Steve Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: >I really want the "Cotty Reply" to this one. What a loada bollocks! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know about that. The idea of the Windows boot-up sequence on my LCD for about a minute or so when I switch on my K5000D has a certain familiar and comforting cham to it . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/08 6:36 PM >>> On 13/5/08, Steve Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: >I really want the "Cotty Reply" to this one. What a loada bollocks! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:482a1972131651211982070! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Steve Desjardins wrote: > I don't know about that. The idea of the Windows boot-up sequence on my > LCD for about a minute or so when I switch on my K5000D has a certain > familiar and comforting cham to it . . . > Except ... you have a once-in-a-lifetime shot lined up and focused, and as you start to press the shutter you get a pop-up on the LCD that says, Critical firmware updates are available. Click OK to download and install updates or click Cancel to reboot. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
>Every time you format your memory card it will ask...Are you sure? Really?. Maybe it will be every time you try to grab that perfect shot - you know, the one you can't believe you're actually holding your camera for..Are you sure? Press 'Yes' to continue >Any guesses as to which Pentax patents Microsoft is interested in? >Here's mine: The horizontally-sliding lens design of the "Altoids tin" >Optio cameras. Sounds like a good guess. My hubby has one of those - it's REALLY cool.I thought a couple of other folks had that technology tho rg2 On 5/13/08, Bruce Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Desjardins wrote: > > I don't know about that. The idea of the Windows boot-up sequence on my > > LCD for about a minute or so when I switch on my K5000D has a certain > > familiar and comforting cham to it . . . > > > > Except ... you have a once-in-a-lifetime shot lined up and focused, and > as you start to press the shutter you get a pop-up on the LCD that says, > >Critical firmware updates are available. > > Click OK to download and install > updates or click Cancel to reboot. > > > > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
I hope that's the worst thing that happens... Adam Maas wrote: > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:37:36 -0400, Rebekah wrote > >Every time you format your memory card it will ask...Are you sure? > Really?. > > Maybe it will be every time you try to grab that perfect shot - you > know, the one you can't believe you're actually holding your camera > for..Are you sure? Press 'Yes' to continue Aaaahh! LOL. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Now that fun has been spread :) I seriously wonder what the benefit might be for each parties? On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? > > -- > M. Adam Maas > http://www.mawz.ca > Explorations of the City Around Us. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that fun has been spread :) I seriously wonder what the benefit > might be for each parties? > > ...? ;-) -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I wonder what they will get in return. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How about this? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I > wonder what they will get in return. > > > > -- > Thibault Massart aka Thibouille > -- > Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... > Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB > Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bong Manayon wrote: > How about this? > > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html And this: http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/05/13/why-does-microsoft-want-pentaxs-patents For small hand held devices, like Microsoft's "Zune" media player, adding a camera is a natural progression. And the ultra-compact (patented) horizontally-sliding lens from Pentax's "Altoids tin" Optios would be just the ticket. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I can see now! Pentax got Kudos for including DNG in the file options so they're going to add WMP as an option. Take that Canon! Bong Manayon wrote: > How about this? > > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I >> wonder what they will get in return. >> >> >> >> -- >> Thibault Massart aka Thibouille >> -- >> Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... >> Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB >> Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Advertising, and a big market for point and shoot cameras. Paul On May 14, 2008, at 3:45 AM, Thibouille wrote: > Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I > wonder what they will get in return. > > -- > Thibault Massart aka Thibouille > -- > Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... > Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB > Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know, it seems more likely the Microsoft is after something to do with endoscopy Mark Roberts wrote: > Bong Manayon wrote: > >> How about this? >> >> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html >> > > And this: > http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/05/13/why-does-microsoft-want-pentaxs-patents > > For small hand held devices, like Microsoft's "Zune" media player, > adding a camera is a natural progression. And the ultra-compact > (patented) horizontally-sliding lens from Pentax's "Altoids tin" > Optios would be just the ticket. > > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I also think the writer is more or less clueless to whit... > Pentax doesn't seem to do anything else that's likely to interest > Microsoft. It dabbles in the medical field, I thought Pentax was a farely big player in endosocpes. They have/had an entire division dedicated to them. Dabbling implies a less than serious commitment to an endeavor. Mark Roberts wrote: > Bong Manayon wrote: > >> How about this? >> >> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html >> > > And this: > http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/05/13/why-does-microsoft-want-pentaxs-patents > > For small hand held devices, like Microsoft's "Zune" media player, > adding a camera is a natural progression. And the ultra-compact > (patented) horizontally-sliding lens from Pentax's "Altoids tin" > Optios would be just the ticket. > > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not WMP, but possibly MS's JPEG replacement format that looks pretty good (better IQ than JPEG under moderate to high compressions, 16 bit support) -Adam On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:51 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can see now! Pentax got Kudos for including DNG in the file options so > they're going to add WMP as an option. Take that Canon! > > > > Bong Manayon wrote: > > How about this? > > > > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html > > > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I > >> wonder what they will get in return. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thibault Massart aka Thibouille > >> -- > >> Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... > >> Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB > >> Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... >-- Dr. Jerry Pournelle > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/5/14 P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I also think the writer is more or less clueless to whit... >> Pentax doesn't seem to do anything else that's likely to interest >> Microsoft. It dabbles in the medical field, > I thought Pentax was a farely big player in endosocpes. They have/had > an entire division dedicated to them. > Dabbling implies a less than serious commitment to an endeavor. They do more than dabble, but like their camera division, they're only a small player in the field. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adam Maas wrote: >> http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ > > Any guesses as to which Pentax patents Microsoft is interested in? > Here's mine: The horizontally-sliding lens design of the "Altoids tin" > Optio cameras. Back focusing. It work work well with Vista, i'm told.:-) Dave > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Microsoft's Jpeg replacement is called Windows Media Photo, so WMP. I have no idea what it's actual extension will be or is if they've actually released it. . Adam Maas wrote: > Not WMP, but possibly MS's JPEG replacement format that looks pretty > good (better IQ than JPEG under moderate to high compressions, 16 bit > support) > > -Adam > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:51 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I can see now! Pentax got Kudos for including DNG in the file options so >> they're going to add WMP as an option. Take that Canon! >> >> >> >> Bong Manayon wrote: >> > How about this? >> > >> > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html >> > >> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I >> >> wonder what they will get in return. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thibault Massart aka Thibouille >> >> -- >> >> Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... >> >> Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB >> >> Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) >> >> >> >> -- >> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> PDML@pdml.net >> >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... >>-- Dr. Jerry Pournelle >> >> >> -- >> >> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Everything works better with Vista, Microsoft says so. David J Brooks wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >>> http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ >>> >> Any guesses as to which Pentax patents Microsoft is interested in? >> Here's mine: The horizontally-sliding lens design of the "Altoids tin" >> Optio cameras. >> > > Back focusing. It work work well with Vista, i'm told.:-) > > Dave > >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thibouille schreef: > Now that fun has been spread :) I seriously wonder what the benefit > might be for each parties? > > Windows Vista Photo Gallery doesn't show DNG nor PEF files, in contrast to Picasa. Some co-operation is needed there.. Henk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is linked from Microsoft's own website. As of DNG, MS won't support an Adobe format and Adobe seems they don't wanna support Microsoft (nor their customers in this case). On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thibouille schreef: >> Now that fun has been spread :) I seriously wonder what the benefit >> might be for each parties? >> >> > > Windows Vista Photo Gallery doesn't show DNG nor PEF files, in contrast > to Picasa. Some co-operation is needed there.. > > Henk > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That would limit any serious use of Vista Photo Gallery as picture viewer/organizer. Thanks for the advice on PEF codec but it doesn't seem to work on 64-bit. Henk Thibouille schreef: > PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is > linked from Microsoft's own website. > > As of DNG, MS won't support an Adobe format and Adobe seems they don't > wanna support Microsoft (nor their customers in this case). > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Henk Terhell wrote: > That would limit any serious use of Vista Photo Gallery as picture > viewer/organizer. Thanks for the advice on PEF codec but it doesn't seem > to work on 64-bit. Does anyone know if the Pentax codec will work on XP or is the "plug-in photo viewer codec" a feature only of Vista? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm sure that there's a third party Codec for DNG available, possibly for free. However that might violate your EULA with Microsoft. Thibouille wrote: > PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is > linked from Microsoft's own website. > > As of DNG, MS won't support an Adobe format and Adobe seems they don't > wanna support Microsoft (nor their customers in this case). > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thibouille schreef: >> >>> Now that fun has been spread :) I seriously wonder what the benefit >>> might be for each parties? >>> >>> >>> >> Windows Vista Photo Gallery doesn't show DNG nor PEF files, in contrast >> to Picasa. Some co-operation is needed there.. >> >> Henk >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm using an "XP" codec in Win2K. It works fairly well. Does use a fare bit of memory though. Doug Franklin wrote: > Henk Terhell wrote: > >> That would limit any serious use of Vista Photo Gallery as picture >> viewer/organizer. Thanks for the advice on PEF codec but it doesn't seem >> to work on 64-bit. >> > > Does anyone know if the Pentax codec will work on XP or is the "plug-in > photo viewer codec" a feature only of Vista? > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Thibouille" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. > PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is > linked from Microsoft's own website. > > As of DNG, MS won't support an Adobe format and Adobe seems they don't > wanna support Microsoft (nor their customers in this case). I think all Adobe can do is make the DNG open source so anyone can do what they want with it. They've done their part, it's up to MS to make DNGs usable in their OS. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Op Thu, 15 May 2008 15:14:37 +0200 schreef William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "Thibouille" > Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. > > >> PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is >> linked from Microsoft's own website. >> >> As of DNG, MS won't support an Adobe format and Adobe seems they don't >> wanna support Microsoft (nor their customers in this case). > > I think all Adobe can do is make the DNG open source so anyone can do > what they want with it. > They've done their part, it's up to MS to make DNGs usable in their OS. Don't bet on it: There appears to be a bit of a row between Adobe and Microsoft. At work I have a Vista 64 bit workstation, and PDF's don't show as thumbnails and don't show a preview in the explorer... Makes using Vista64 even more of a hassle than it already is... FWIW, -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Lucas Rijnders" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. > Don't bet on it: There appears to be a bit of a row between Adobe and > Microsoft. At work I have a Vista 64 bit workstation, and PDF's don't show > as thumbnails and don't show a preview in the explorer... Makes using > Vista64 even more of a hassle than it already is... I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new computer. Whether or not there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is still up to Microsoft to make their OS compatable with industry standard file types. Next thing, they won't be JPEG compliant because they have decided to invent their own version of a compressed image file. Lets face it, if they decide not to be compliant, there will be a whole bunch of people with Macs in their future, which would not make Microsoft or the computer vendors who depend on their operating systems very happy. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: > I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new computer. > Whether or not > there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is still up > to Microsoft to > make their OS compatable with industry standard file types. Next thing, they > won't be JPEG > compliant because they have decided to invent their own version of a > compressed image file. Already done. It's called something like Windows Media Photo format. It /does/ have advantages over JPEG, though I don't know how it compares to JPEG-2000. For example, MS's new format supports sixteen bit color components. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. > >> I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new >> computer. Whether or not >> there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is still up >> to Microsoft to >> make their OS compatable with industry standard file types. Next thing, they >> won't be JPEG >> compliant because they have decided to invent their own version of a >> compressed image file. > > Already done. It's called something like Windows Media Photo format. > It /does/ have advantages over JPEG, though I don't know how it compares > to JPEG-2000. For example, MS's new format supports sixteen bit color > components. I knew about their new format, what I was inferring was all these poor Vista users doing an upgrade and discovering that their JPEGS won't thumbnail any longer. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There's one, but not free :( It is up to you to judge is 30 US$ (AFAIR) is good money for that or not. Note that it supports metadate editing etc. so it is fairly complete although not free. Microsoft links of codecs do point to that codec. Contrary to what Microsoft states on this link the actual version isn't anymore an RC but is a proper final release (but still in developpement to make it even better). -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is possible, I'm not concerned a 64bit release so I didn't pay any attention to this. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That would limit any serious use of Vista Photo Gallery as picture > viewer/organizer. Thanks for the advice on PEF codec but it doesn't seem > to work on 64-bit. > > Henk > > Thibouille schreef: >> PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is >> linked from Microsoft's own website. >> >> As of DNG, MS won't support an Adobe format and Adobe seems they don't >> wanna support Microsoft (nor their customers in this case). >> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I can't believe JPGs would no longer be shown in Vista in near future. But I don't care much about thumbnails as long as files can be viewed/organized with the right software such as PS Elements, LR or Picasa. Vista Photo Gallery disqualifies itself as a tool for this if not able to thumbnail/ open RAW files. Otherwise for my use Vista 64-bit is very fast and very good. If only Epson would release a 64-bit driver for my 2450 scanner, I could get rid of XP. Henk William Robb schreef: > - Original Message - > From: "Doug Franklin" > Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. > > > > >>> I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new >>> computer. Whether or not >>> there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is still >>> up to Microsoft to >>> make their OS compatable with industry standard file types. Next thing, >>> they won't be JPEG >>> compliant because they have decided to invent their own version of a >>> compressed image file. >>> >> Already done. It's called something like Windows Media Photo format. >> It /does/ have advantages over JPEG, though I don't know how it compares >> to JPEG-2000. For example, MS's new format supports sixteen bit color >> components. >> > > I knew about their new format, what I was inferring was all these poor Vista > users doing an > upgrade and discovering that their JPEGS won't thumbnail any longer. > > William Robb > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 04:14 PM 16/05/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I can't believe JPGs would no longer be shown in Vista in near future. >But I don't care much about thumbnails as long as files can be >viewed/organized with the right software such as PS Elements, LR or >Picasa. Vista Photo Gallery disqualifies itself as a tool for this if >not able to thumbnail/ open RAW files. > >Otherwise for my use Vista 64-bit is very fast and very good. If only >Epson would release a 64-bit driver for my 2450 scanner, I could get rid >of XP. I'm running XP x64 & my Epson 3200 doesn't have 64 bit drivers available either. I got around this PITA by buying VueScan . Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here's another link that caught my attention... http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/06/05/ted-2007-microsoft-seadragon-and-photosynth/ "Metaverse...!?!" -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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MS relies on the camera maker to support its RAW formats. Most camera makers are not supporting 64 bit software. Vista Photo Gallery is actually a rather nice bit of software, much better than many 3rd party equivalents (Its support for IPTC tagging and Bridge/Lightroom compatible star-tagging elevates it). -Adam On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't believe JPGs would no longer be shown in Vista in near future. > But I don't care much about thumbnails as long as files can be > viewed/organized with the right software such as PS Elements, LR or > Picasa. Vista Photo Gallery disqualifies itself as a tool for this if > not able to thumbnail/ open RAW files. > > Otherwise for my use Vista 64-bit is very fast and very good. If only > Epson would release a 64-bit driver for my 2450 scanner, I could get rid > of XP. > > Henk > > William Robb schreef: >> - Original Message - >> From: "Doug Franklin" >> Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. >> >> >> >> >>>> I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new >>>> computer. Whether or not >>>> there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is still >>>> up to Microsoft to >>>> make their OS compatable with industry standard file types. Next thing, >>>> they won't be JPEG >>>> compliant because they have decided to invent their own version of a >>>> compressed image file. >>>> >>> Already done. It's called something like Windows Media Photo format. >>> It /does/ have advantages over JPEG, though I don't know how it compares >>> to JPEG-2000. For example, MS's new format supports sixteen bit color >>> components. >>> >> >> I knew about their new format, what I was inferring was all these poor Vista >> users doing an >> upgrade and discovering that their JPEGS won't thumbnail any longer. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm finding this somewhat disturbing. Your hard won photographs are now nothing more than data. Your intended use and context is forgotten... Maybe that doesn't disturb anyone else... Bong Manayon wrote: > Here's another link that caught my attention... > > http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/06/05/ted-2007-microsoft-seadragon-and-photosynth/ > > "Metaverse...!?!" > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam Maas schreef: > MS relies on the camera maker to support its RAW formats. Most camera > makers are not supporting 64 bit software. > > Not sure what you mean there. Both PS Elements and Picasa work under Vista 64 and both do show Pentax RAW files, so why couldn't Vista Photo Gallery? > Vista Photo Gallery is actually a rather nice bit of software, much > better than many 3rd party equivalents (Its support for IPTC tagging > and Bridge/Lightroom compatible star-tagging elevates it). > > -Adam > > Agree, but - see above. Henk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's very impressive technically, despite terms like 'visual photos' and 'visual cameras', but I don't think you need to be disturbed. I don't expect you'll be forced to contribute your pictures to it against your will (they are still copyright after all), and your pictures' intended use and context remains as long as you preserve it. The presenter didn't mention anything about time, which is an important part of how we see a photo. A picture represents its subject matter in a small fraction of a second, but the composite of Notre Dame is not built from pictures taken in the same fraction of a second, so it represents something that never existed. At best it's an approximation of Notre Dame (as any picture is, of course). I wonder how it deals with times when there's scaffolding on the building, or rainy days versus sunny days, or pictures taken in 1943 versus pictures taken this morning. If Google takes a photo from space of Cotty lying naked in his garden, and this software merges it with a picture taken a couple of years ago of the previous owners lying naked in the next spot, what will people think they're seeing? It should raise some interesting questions. Bob > > I'm finding this somewhat disturbing. Your hard won > photographs are now > nothing more than data. Your intended use and context is forgotten... > Maybe that doesn't disturb anyone else... > > Bong Manayon wrote: > > Here's another link that caught my attention... > > > > > http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/06/05/ted-2007-microsoft-sead > ragon-and-photosynth/ > > > > "Metaverse...!?!" > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Worst case here would be WMP specs are never released under Microsoft's "Open Specification Promise", Pentax adopts it as the sole image format and Microsoft prosecutes free software writers. I'm glad I switched to RAW. Adam Maas wrote: > http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ > > Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? > -- -Michael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Bob, their photos were skimmed off Flicker, who says you'll be asked? > If Google takes a photo from space of Cotty lying naked in his garden, > and this software merges it with a picture taken a couple of years ago > of the previous owners lying naked in the next spot, what will people > think they're seeing? Now that's a very disturbing image... Bob W wrote: > It's very impressive technically, despite terms like 'visual photos' > and 'visual cameras', but I don't think you need to be disturbed. I > don't expect you'll be forced to contribute your pictures to it > against your will (they are still copyright after all), and your > pictures' intended use and context remains as long as you preserve it. > > The presenter didn't mention anything about time, which is an > important part of how we see a photo. A picture represents its subject > matter in a small fraction of a second, but the composite of Notre > Dame is not built from pictures taken in the same fraction of a > second, so it represents something that never existed. At best it's an > approximation of Notre Dame (as any picture is, of course). I wonder > how it deals with times when there's scaffolding on the building, or > rainy days versus sunny days, or pictures taken in 1943 versus > pictures taken this morning. > > If Google takes a photo from space of Cotty lying naked in his garden, > and this software merges it with a picture taken a couple of years ago > of the previous owners lying naked in the next spot, what will people > think they're seeing? > > It should raise some interesting questions. > > Bob > > >> I'm finding this somewhat disturbing. Your hard won >> photographs are now >> nothing more than data. Your intended use and context is >> > forgotten... > >> Maybe that doesn't disturb anyone else... >> >> Bong Manayon wrote: >> >>> Here's another link that caught my attention... >>> >>> >>> >> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/06/05/ted-2007-microsoft-sead >> ragon-and-photosynth/ >> >>> "Metaverse...!?!" >>> >>> > > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Savage schreef: > I'm running XP x64 & my Epson 3200 doesn't have 64 bit drivers > available either. > > I got around this PITA by buying VueScan . > > Cheers, > > Dave > > That is useful to know. Under Vista 64-bit Vuescan does work as well. Henk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Adam Maas schreef: >> MS relies on the camera maker to support its RAW formats. Most camera >> makers are not supporting 64 bit software. >> >> > Not sure what you mean there. Both PS Elements and Picasa work under > Vista 64 and both do show Pentax RAW files, so why couldn't Vista Photo > Gallery? Vista Photo Gallery uses the same codec plugins to drives its RAW support that Windows Explorer uses to show thumbnails, so you get both when you get the codec from the camera manufacturer. MS does not handle RAW support themselves. PS Elements relies on an Adobe-sourced RAW plugin (Adobe Camera RAW) while Picasa is a monolithic app that must be updated for new RAW formats, and RAW format decoding is built directly into the app. Should Pentax release a codec for PEF to show thumbnails on Explorer, Photo Gallery will start supporting PEF's. Photo Gallery has no native file type support (Even JPEG is supported via a MS-supplied codec that's included in the base OS install). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam Maas schreef: > > > Vista Photo Gallery uses the same codec plugins to drives its RAW > support that Windows Explorer uses to show thumbnails, so you get both > when you get the codec from the camera manufacturer. MS does not > handle RAW support themselves. PS Elements relies on an Adobe-sourced > RAW plugin (Adobe Camera RAW) while Picasa is a monolithic app that > must be updated for new RAW formats, and RAW format decoding is built > directly into the app. > > Should Pentax release a codec for PEF to show thumbnails on Explorer, > Photo Gallery will start supporting PEF's. Photo Gallery has no native > file type support (Even JPEG is supported via a MS-supplied codec > that's included in the base OS install). > > That is interesting information. Well, MS needs to do some homework (a.o. joining forces with Hoya Pentax) to make Vista Photo Gallery a useful tool for DSLR owners. Henk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.
Op Fri, 16 May 2008 02:12:42 +0200 schreef William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "Lucas Rijnders" > Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. > >> Don't bet on it: There appears to be a bit of a row between Adobe and >> Microsoft. At work I have a Vista 64 bit workstation, and PDF's don't >> show >> as thumbnails and don't show a preview in the explorer... Makes using >> Vista64 even more of a hassle than it already is... > > I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new > computer. Whether or not The IT department decided I needed 64 bit to access more RAM. I did not argue the point too much. > there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is > still up to Microsoft to > make their OS compatable with industry standard file types. Next thing, > they won't be JPEG > compliant because they have decided to invent their own version of a > compressed image file. I couldn't agree more. > Lets face it, if they decide not to be compliant, there will be a whole > bunch of people with > Macs in their future, which would not make Microsoft or the computer > vendors who depend on their > operating systems very happy. If I replace my ageing PC, I will be looking hard at a nice portable mac to complement my wife's iMac. I really liked the small 13" ones they had a couple of months ago... The are one or two windows-only (CAD) applications I'd like to run, but dual-boot would be fine for that. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Lucas Rijnders wrote: > If I replace my ageing PC, I will be looking hard at a nice portable mac > to complement my wife's iMac. I really liked the small 13" ones they had a > couple of months ago... The are one or two windows-only (CAD) applications > I'd like to run, but dual-boot would be fine for that. > Just a quick suggestion: VMware (about $79) is way nicer for running a few Windows apps on your Mac than dual-booting it (ie Bootcamp). VMware allows you to pretty-much treat your Mac as a native Windows host, and run Windows apps along side your native Mac ones on the same screens. It now fully supports dual-screens too. Cheers! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Bruce Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lucas Rijnders wrote: >> If I replace my ageing PC, I will be looking hard at a nice portable mac >> to complement my wife's iMac. I really liked the small 13" ones they had a >> couple of months ago... The are one or two windows-only (CAD) applications >> I'd like to run, but dual-boot would be fine for that. >> > > Just a quick suggestion: VMware (about $79) is way nicer for running a > few Windows apps on your Mac than dual-booting it (ie Bootcamp). VMware > allows you to pretty-much treat your Mac as a native Windows host, and > run Windows apps along side your native Mac ones on the same screens. > It now fully supports dual-screens too. > > Cheers! > > -bmw > As does Parallels for less money and smoother integration than VMWare. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam Maas wrote: > > As does Parallels for less money and smoother integration than VMWare. > > With respect, I would _not_ take that as a given. :-) Since they both offer a 30-day eval period, the wise shopper should evaluate them both in actual use and see how they behave. In my own testing on both a 13" Macbook and 20" iMac, I found that VMware Fusion uses a lot less CPU and RAM than all 3 of the other virtual machine products I tested. I have run Windows, various Linux releases and FreeBSD under these VMs, and VMware "Just Worked", where the others all gave me grief on one point or another. Anway, just as with photo equipment, there's no magic one-size-fits-all solution. Cheers! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
