Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?
Charge a per hour, plus expenses (I used to add 15-25% to the expenses as sort of a handling charge). Give them everything you shoot that is worthwhile, with non-exclusive rights (charge 300-400% higher if they want exclusive rights) which means you can still use the images yourself for non-competing purposes. This is the way commercial work is usually quoted. I would always give a firm quote if wanted, but it was actually an estimate of the above plus 50%, in case I goofed. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- frank theriault wrote: So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre orchestra. They're having a concert this weekend. He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). He asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor). Of course I say yes! He wants headshot later in the winter. No problems! He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this weekend. He wants to know what my rates are. The headshots I can can figure out. What about the shoot for the orchestra? He wants them for publicity purposes. I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?), plus charging for photos that he wants? Or just charge for the photos? Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot? What should the total be (however I structure it)? I'm thinking I'm shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered. Any thoughts/advice/warnings? Thanks! cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?
What does he want for output? 8x10s? Proof sheets? Photo CDs? All those things cost money. You know it's sleazy, but you could look in the yellow pages and call a local photographer who's add says he/she/it specializes in event photography and ask for a quote... frank theriault wrote: So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre orchestra. They're having a concert this weekend. He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). He asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor). Of course I say yes! He wants headshot later in the winter. No problems! He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this weekend. He wants to know what my rates are. The headshots I can can figure out. What about the shoot for the orchestra? He wants them for publicity purposes. I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?), plus charging for photos that he wants? Or just charge for the photos? Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot? What should the total be (however I structure it)? I'm thinking I'm shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered. Any thoughts/advice/warnings? Thanks! cheers, frank -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?
I like your $100 or more thought. However, there is that aspect of quoting a only a print price that denotes a sense of a satisfaction guarantee. Then there is the print volume and size question.(?) Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre orchestra. They're having a concert this weekend. He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). He asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor). Of course I say yes! He wants headshot later in the winter. No problems! He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this weekend. He wants to know what my rates are. The headshots I can can figure out. What about the shoot for the orchestra? He wants them for publicity purposes. I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?), plus charging for photos that he wants? Or just charge for the photos? Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot? What should the total be (however I structure it)? I'm thinking I'm shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered. Any thoughts/advice/warnings? Thanks! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?
If it's a professional, for profit orchestra, I would charge $200 for the shoot, then $10 for each 5x7, $15 for each 8x12 and $25 for each 12X18. If they buy $100 worth of prints, I would give them a high res CD of all the images. If they're an amateur group or a school group, I would charge them $100 for the shoot, about half as much as indicated above for prints, and I would give them the files regardless of how many prints they buy. Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre orchestra. They're having a concert this weekend. He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). He asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor). Of course I say yes! He wants headshot later in the winter. No problems! He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this weekend. He wants to know what my rates are. The headshots I can can figure out. What about the shoot for the orchestra? He wants them for publicity purposes. I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?), plus charging for photos that he wants? Or just charge for the photos? Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot? What should the total be (however I structure it)? I'm thinking I'm shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered. Any thoughts/advice/warnings? Thanks! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?
I'd add that a CD comprised of high res images be offered at a set price. It would be expected that a soft estimate of a forthcoming image count be understood. Price, $200. They could then use the CD as they see fit. I would think that 'commercial use' would require a printing business be involve in providing such material.(?) Jack --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like your $100 or more thought. However, there is that aspect of quoting a only a print price that denotes a sense of a satisfaction guarantee. Then there is the print volume and size question.(?) Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre orchestra. They're having a concert this weekend. He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). He asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor). Of course I say yes! He wants headshot later in the winter. No problems! He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this weekend. He wants to know what my rates are. The headshots I can can figure out. What about the shoot for the orchestra? He wants them for publicity purposes. I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?), plus charging for photos that he wants? Or just charge for the photos? Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot? What should the total be (however I structure it)? I'm thinking I'm shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered. Any thoughts/advice/warnings? Thanks! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?
This is always tricky, and i have yet to come up with a definate version for myself. Although i do advertise on my site i will do onsite location shoots, only the farm we board at has asked and i usually give a decent rate for any of our boarders on prints etc. I always felt an hourly charge would suite best. I feel $40.00-$50.00 an hour would suffice, for me, to come a do a shoot. For that i would supply a high res CD for an additional fee, or a low res one for proofs. I would charge like Paul suggested, which is lees than my normal, but i am getting an hourly rate. For a two hour shoot, plus a CD i think $200-$250.?? Dave On Dec 11, 2007 8:27 AM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre orchestra. They're having a concert this weekend. He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). He asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor). Of course I say yes! He wants headshot later in the winter. No problems! He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this weekend. He wants to know what my rates are. The headshots I can can figure out. What about the shoot for the orchestra? He wants them for publicity purposes. I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?), plus charging for photos that he wants? Or just charge for the photos? Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot? What should the total be (however I structure it)? I'm thinking I'm shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered. Any thoughts/advice/warnings? Thanks! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?
In a message dated 12/11/2007 5:38:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre orchestra. They're having a concert this weekend. He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). He asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor). Of course I say yes! He wants headshot later in the winter. No problems! He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this weekend. He wants to know what my rates are. The headshots I can can figure out. What about the shoot for the orchestra? He wants them for publicity purposes. I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?), plus charging for photos that he wants? Or just charge for the photos? Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot? What should the total be (however I structure it)? I'm thinking I'm shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered. Any thoughts/advice/warnings? Thanks! cheers, frank === Well, you have to base your estimate on what you think he will pay. He's probably expecting to get a deal. I'd charge an hourly rate ($40-$60) an hour and include a CD of high res images in the price (unprocessed). For processed images on cd (BW conversion, cropping, etc.) there is an additional charge.. Prints extra, but not a lot extra, more in the cents, under a dollar range. If they have never used a professional photographer they probably expect prints to cost what they do when labs produce them. Pretty much at cost, maybe a few cents more. But, then I tend to undercharge (I mean in general, I have never charged for photography). You might even go to $75 per hour. He really probably does expect a deal, if he hired you from a web page, then he'd probably be expecting to pay. Bumping into you, he probably expects a discount. Well, that's just my opinion. Charging extra for PSing, should bring in more. But definitely charge for that as an extra fee, it takes a lot of time. And no prints without PSing, i.e. he has to pay for PSing for you to make prints. Marnie aka Doe And I have no idea what I am talking about. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?
On Dec 11, 2007 9:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's a professional, for profit orchestra, I would charge $200 for the shoot, then $10 for each 5x7, $15 for each 8x12 and $25 for each 12X18. If they buy $100 worth of prints, I would give them a high res CD of all the images. If they're an amateur group or a school group, I would charge them $100 for the shoot, about half as much as indicated above for prints, and I would give them the files regardless of how many prints they buy. Paul I like your answer, Paul. Succinct, to the point, and lots of figures! ;-) Anyway, since it's a not-for-profit community-based thing, I proposed $100 for the shoot and your print prices, and they seem to think that's very reasonable. This is like my first professional gig - luckily, the *istD is black! I've sold prints before, but never been hired for a shoot. This will be going into my resume! Thanks to everyone who answered! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
