Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Cotty wrote: About Adobe http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ I hate Flash but I hate obnoxious animated ads even more. I run a Flash blocker to get rid of them... but if Flash disappears they'll use HTML5 / javascript, and turning those off will have too much collateral damage. So I'd much rather keep Flash around. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
I was unable to hold my peace: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/04/29/Flash-History -T On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: About Adobe http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
I don't think I've ever heard of an OS vendor doing something like this before. Surely the only inference one can draw from it is that their OS is not good enough to protect itself properly. That or they're just out to get Adobe. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing - the latest versions of Lightroom are now too bloated for me to run them comfortably on the boxes I currently have. Bob I was unable to hold my peace: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/04/29/Flash-History -T On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: About Adobe http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
Microsoft, Java/Javascript in IE. Any console system, every other cell phone except Android and webOS Based phones. In this case, Apple is NOT an OS Vendor, they're selling a box and a way to distribute content to said box, then saying they're not going to give a 3rd party control of part of the deal. It's pretty much standard operating procedure for anyone selling closed systems like a console or a phone. -Adam On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I don't think I've ever heard of an OS vendor doing something like this before. Surely the only inference one can draw from it is that their OS is not good enough to protect itself properly. That or they're just out to get Adobe. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing - the latest versions of Lightroom are now too bloated for me to run them comfortably on the boxes I currently have. Bob I was unable to hold my peace: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/04/29/Flash-History -T On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: About Adobe http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
Of course, then they market it like it was an open system. Two big control giants fighting each other - I have never cared for either one of their attitudes. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, April 30, 2010, 6:29:55 AM, you wrote: AM Microsoft, Java/Javascript in IE. Any console system, every other cell AM phone except Android and webOS Based phones. AM In this case, Apple is NOT an OS Vendor, they're selling a box and a AM way to distribute content to said box, then saying they're not going AM to give a 3rd party control of part of the deal. It's pretty much AM standard operating procedure for anyone selling closed systems like a AM console or a phone. AM -Adam AM On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I don't think I've ever heard of an OS vendor doing something like this before. Surely the only inference one can draw from it is that their OS is not good enough to protect itself properly. That or they're just out to get Adobe. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing - the latest versions of Lightroom are now too bloated for me to run them comfortably on the boxes I currently have. Bob I was unable to hold my peace: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/04/29/Flash-History -T On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: About Adobe http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. AM -- AM M. Adam Maas AM http://www.mawz.ca AM Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
Gonna stick my $0.02 in here ... I don't have an iPhone. Don't matter to me if they allow Flash or not, although lookin' in from the outside, I think it's gonna' come back and bite 'em in the butt sooner or later, but that's their problem not mine. The reason I don't have one is because everyone I know who has one spends about half their time telling me what a Luddite I am because I don't have an iPhone and the other half of their time cursing the iPhone because they can't get whatever they're trying to do to work. Meanwhile, if I want to make a phone call, my cell phone works and if I need to run a computer program, I use my computer. I also don't text, I don't facebook, I don't tweet, and I don't blog. For one thing, I already have enough reasons for not being out taking photos. I need fewer distractions from photography, not more ... and if I didn't, I've got plenty of house work that needs doing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
On 2010-04-30 12:09 , Bruce Dayton wrote: Of course, then they market it like it was an open system. in one very important respect it is an open platform -- you can run any web app you want; the iPhone/iPad browser is a very good HTML5 platform, and can store data locally; now that the iPad is big enough, i think we'll see a lot more great solutions in that space, and Apple has no control over them but if you want to build an app that has access to OS internals (and your private information), Apple controls that space, and as a result it will probably avoid most of the coming epidemic of mobile platform insecurity vectors and even with that control hundreds of thousands of apps have been created; i wonder if the number would be so high without Apple's control, or if there would be a million apps and a horrible experience sorting through them and keeping them from messing with my data -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
I'm with you John, for all the same reasons! Plus, I have 12 grandchildren competing for my time... John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Saturday, 1 May 2010 4:18 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs Gonna stick my $0.02 in here ... I don't have an iPhone. Don't matter to me if they allow Flash or not, although lookin' in from the outside, I think it's gonna' come back and bite 'em in the butt sooner or later, but that's their problem not mine. The reason I don't have one is because everyone I know who has one spends about half their time telling me what a Luddite I am because I don't have an iPhone and the other half of their time cursing the iPhone because they can't get whatever they're trying to do to work. Meanwhile, if I want to make a phone call, my cell phone works and if I need to run a computer program, I use my computer. I also don't text, I don't facebook, I don't tweet, and I don't blog. For one thing, I already have enough reasons for not being out taking photos. I need fewer distractions from photography, not more ... and if I didn't, I've got plenty of house work that needs doing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
On Apr 30, 2010, at 00:27 , Tim Bray wrote: I was unable to hold my peace: Flash http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/04/29/-History -T On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: About Adobe http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ While entitled to you r opinion, one I value by the way, the majority of posts in response to the above article of yours are more along the lines of this post: From: Jonathan Van Matre (Apr 29 2010, at 10:54) They're not being forbidden to try. They are being forbidden to half- ass it. No one qualifies for the Olympic team based on reputation alone. No one gets a bank loan on the strength of nothing but their good intentions. You're right: past history matters. And the history of the Flash experience on OSX (aggressive memory consumption, memory leaks, browser crashes, OS crashes) as well as the history of Adobe's efforts to deliver a stable mobile Flash experience (keeping that four-word phrase firmly in oxymoron territory) demonstrates that Adobe is not ready to qualify. This is an upper- division class and they haven't fulfilled the prerequisites. Flash was the right technology at the right time. It has been a crucial part of the development of the online experience. But that doesn't mean Adobe should be allowed to coast in to every new frontier un-vetted. I detect a not at all subtle subtext from Steve Jobs saying If you had only shown us you had what it takes, it wouldn't have come to this. I think he is actually baiting them to try, but he wants them to bring their best, not something that is barely good enough. Demanding excellence from others you know to be capable of that excellence is not a prohibition on trying; it's an exhortation to try harder. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There is no off position to the genius switch. Genius can, however, be observed as insanity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
On 30/04/2010, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: About Adobe http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ More about Apple as I read it. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
Interesting. Saw it this morning. Jobs is flexing his muscles. Paul On Apr 29, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Cotty wrote: About Adobe http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
On 30/04/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting. Saw it this morning. Jobs is flexing his muscles. The precursor: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2362911,00.asp -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
On 2010-04-29 20:07 , Rob Studdert wrote: The precursor: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2362911,00.asp it's been building for months: http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash it's only come to a head because Adobe decided in lieu of Flash they'd build a Flash-to-iPhone app compiler and Apple took a stand that apps made with compilers like this weren't going to be allowed. now, if Adobe created a Flash-to-HTML5 compiler, you could run the result as web apps no problem ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Open letter from Steve Jobs
On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 30/04/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting. Saw it this morning. Jobs is flexing his muscles. The precursor: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2362911,00.asp Or the follow up. Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
