Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-07-02 Thread John Sessoms

From: William Robb
I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was 
less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I offered to 
make it right for her.

This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
Opinions welcome.


In wedding photography, I contend only two opinions matter - the bride's 
and the bride's mama.


It's technically well done; well lit. And it's what SHE wanted.

The only thing I would question is why is he staring off into space 
instead of looking at her in adoration? Somewhere in the years ahead 
he's going to pay for that.



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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-30 Thread William Robb

Thanks for all the replies.
The concensus pretty much agrees with my assessment as well.
I have a few other shots from the same pose where the groom is looking more 
at the bride (though his face is pretty much invisible), but her concept was 
for her to be looking at the camera.
Some sort of fashion model shot, I presume. I expect if I went and looked 
through some bridal fashion magazines I'd find something similar.
Anyway, I'll process the files over the next few days and I'll probably post 
a geso or some such.


William Robb


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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread William Robb

A URL would probably help:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/pose2.html

Thanks

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Rob Studdert
On 30/06/2009, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was
 less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I offered to
 make it right for her.
 This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
 Opinions welcome.
 Thanks

Thought I'd be the first to comment on the lack of a URL but didn't
have anything particularly smart to add ;-)

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Graydon
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:23:49AM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
 I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was  
 less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I offered 
 to make it right for her.
 This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
 Opinions welcome.

link?

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Rob Studdert
On 30/06/2009, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was
 less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I offered to
 make it right for her.
 This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
 Opinions welcome.
 Thanks

I like her pose, but it doesn't work for her partner, at all.

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RE: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread John Whittingham
Her partner looks a little wooden

John

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A URL would probably help:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/pose2.html

Thanks

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Bong Manayon
And even with his back to the camera, it is so obvious that he is not
looking at her...

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 Her partner looks a little wooden

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 A URL would probably help:

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Rob Studdertdistudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like her pose, but it doesn't work for her partner, at all.

Agree.  Also, they look stiff and, um, posed.

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread paul stenquist
I like her look, but I don't like the way the guy is looking at you  
out of the corner of his eyes. IMO, he should be looking at her and  
perhaps rotated a bit clockwise, so a little more of his face is seen.

Paul
On Jun 29, 2009, at 10:25 AM, William Robb wrote:


A URL would probably help:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/pose2.html

Thanks

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Graydon
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:25:02AM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
 A URL would probably help:

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/pose2.html

That would work a lot better if he was looking at her, instead of off
and up to his right.

I think it might work better if, instead of the hands-on-waist, backward
leaning pose she is in, they were in an open waltz hold instead, but if
she wanted that pose you're sorta stuck.

It's a personal bias, but tall, narrow skull forms and 3/4 profile shots
don't go well together; I might have tried to talk her into a full-face
shot from over his shoulder.

Technically, absolutely nothing to complain about; nothing wrong with it
at all as a picture.

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RE: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I would at least try it with them looking at each other.

Also he should be looking at her even
If she looks at camera instead of him.

Him looking away to something else
Unknown like that doesn't work on 
A studio type shot.

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And even with his back to the camera, it is so obvious that he is not
looking at her...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, John Whittinghamjo...@carmel.ac.uk
wrote:


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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread David Savage
Her pose works. His not so much.

DS

2009/6/29 William Robb war...@gmail.com:
 I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was
 less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I offered to
 make it right for her.
 This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
 Opinions welcome.
 Thanks

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Sir William ;-). I am afraid that this man on the left is too
heavy/dark to call this frame harmonious. Her pose is quite beautiful,
but her partner has to cooperate so much more than he did so far.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:25 PM, William Robbwar...@gmail.com wrote:
 A URL would probably help:

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/pose2.html

 Thanks

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Bruce Dayton
For me, the biggest problem is the groom.  He doesn't look engaged at
all - more like a prop.  He needs to be looking at her or you - or at
least the same direction as her.  So for this one, I would have him
looking at her and position yourself slightly to the right so that
you don't get the back of the head - keeping him in profile.

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bill,
1) He looks like a perfect stiff, maybe stuffed and mounted for the
picture.  I need to see more of his face or less of it.
2) The light/shadow on the left side of her face is not so good.  I
think he is blocking her light.
As a pose, I think it has some problems because the groom is so
prominent in all black and the pretty bride in her white dress is kind
of hidden.  Just my 2 cents...
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Gosh, a young lady that pretty, you'd think the guy wouldn't be able to keep 
his eyes off her. Lighting looks good, but not so keen on the pose.  Cheers, 
Christine




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A URL would probably help:

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread David Savage
Also try a google image search on ballroom dancing for some poses that do work.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/6/29 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com:
 Her pose works. His not so much.

 DS

 2009/6/29 William Robb war...@gmail.com:
 I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was
 less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I offered to
 make it right for her.
 This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
 Opinions welcome.
 Thanks

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread 272yb
The guy is not even looking at her, no smile and when I see this photo, it 
makes wonder what the guy is thinking ? Like am I doing the right thing or is 
this the right girl for me...Joe

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A URL would probably help:

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Jack Davis

I do like her pose. Her bright grin and left arm curve, as well as the rose in 
her left, are positives. His profile appears to show him looking to her left. 
If his head were tilted and turned a bit to his left and with an obvious grin 
indicated on his right cheek, it might be much improved.(?)
IOW, his pose detracts.

Jack

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread John Francis

I'm not sure even her pose works, either.

Her hand appears to be just resting on his shoulder
(showing off the ring, perhaps?).

She seems to be far more interested in the photographer
than in her partner - there's no person-to-person chemistry.


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52:26PM +0800, David Savage wrote:
 Her pose works. His not so much.
 
 DS
 
 2009/6/29 William Robb war...@gmail.com:
  I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was
  less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I offered to
  make it right for her.
  This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
  Opinions welcome.
  Thanks
 
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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread ann sanfedele



William Robb wrote:


A URL would probably help:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/pose2.html

Thanks

William Robb 


awfull stiff pose for a dancer... not quite real... and the guy is 
terrible...


was there room for them to dance a bit? and then freeze as in a taking 
the bow  pose?


You got her expression pretty well, lighting nice... but these two don't 
look like they ever

danced together...

weel, you asked :-)

ann





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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Cotty
On 29/6/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

A URL would probably help:

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Thanks

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Pose works fine for me.


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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread David J Brooks
I don't mind the pose, but his eye seems to be leaning to the camera side.

Dave

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Keith Whaley

David Savage wrote:

Her pose works. His not so much.

DS


She's worthy of all the attention anyhow... Great shot.

keith


2009/6/29 William Robb war...@gmail.com:

I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was
less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I offered to
make it right for her.
This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
Opinions welcome.
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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Igor Roshchin

Bill,

Several people commented assuming this couple was dancing.
I am not sure if that was intended to be a dancing pose, but having
taken many dance photos (and dancing a bit myself), it clearly
not a dancing pose. The guy's hands are barely touching lady's waist.
(one wouldn't be able to lead like that).
He looks like a 12-year boy who is holding a girl while being scared
from not knowing how to do that.

This adds some awkwardness to the guy's pose.
I agree with Boris that there is too much of the guy's suit/back
in the frame, even though lady's white dress contrasts it nicely,
making the suit not as dominant. .. but still..

I agree with others on the guy's look. It should either be at the
lady (at her head, although other variations can work for a different
intent), or it should be at the photographer.
After looking at the photo for a while, I think that the fact that
the guy's look is somewhat up is the biggest problem. So, even
with the same left-right direction, if he had turned his head slightly
down (so that he would be looking at the level of her ear),
it might be fine.

After stairing at the photo for the last 10-15 minutes, I think
it is fine as a typical studio wedding shot (but much better technically
then an average wedding shot). The suggestions would just futher
improve it, making it to stand out more.


Igor

PS. I like this recent dancing photo (not posed) of a couple:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2009/IMGP5269.jpg
Here you can see them enjoying each other with their eyes.
(It was a moment catching shot, - so it has many technical
imperfections.)
This couple liked it too, and just asked me to print it for them -
that's why I want to print a photo on a matte paper.



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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread steve harley

they whom i call William Robb wrote:
I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She was 
less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I 
offered to make it right for her.

This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
Opinions welcome.



woman: i would back fill a little more to reduce the harshness of 
the shadow of the her nose and to left of her right eye; her left 
hand should be more actively holding the man (but not enough to 
make veins pop)


man: what others have said, plus his hair is not nice to look at, 
and his 5 o'clock shadow stands out by contrasts with the glare 
near the ear; basically, his stance doesn't work


overall: feels a little gloomy

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RE: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
It supposed to be dancing? With that studio
Backdrop there I would never think its dancing
Even if it really was. The pose / studio aspect is fine, just
The guy looking away from her doesn't really work.

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Bill,

Several people commented assuming this couple was dancing.
I am not sure if that was intended to be a dancing pose, but having
taken many dance photos (and dancing a bit myself), it clearly not a
dancing pose. The guy's hands are barely touching lady's waist. (one
wouldn't be able to lead like that). He looks like a 12-year boy who is
holding a girl while being scared from not knowing how to do that.

This adds some awkwardness to the guy's pose.
I agree with Boris that there is too much of the guy's suit/back in the
frame, even though lady's white dress contrasts it nicely, making the
suit not as dominant. .. but still..

I agree with others on the guy's look. It should either be at the lady
(at her head, although other variations can work for a different
intent), or it should be at the photographer. After looking at the photo
for a while, I think that the fact that the guy's look is somewhat up is
the biggest problem. So, even with the same left-right direction, if he
had turned his head slightly down (so that he would be looking at the
level of her ear), it might be fine.

After stairing at the photo for the last 10-15 minutes, I think it is
fine as a typical studio wedding shot (but much better technically then
an average wedding shot). The suggestions would just futher improve it,
making it to stand out more.


Igor

PS. I like this recent dancing photo (not posed) of a couple:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2009/IMGP5269.jpg
Here you can see them enjoying each other with their eyes.
(It was a moment catching shot, - so it has many technical
imperfections.)
This couple liked it too, and just asked me to print it for them -
that's why I want to print a photo on a matte paper.



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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Joseph McAllister

Like it.

But the groom should have some expression other than the lack of one  
he is expressing. Like lovingly looking his bride in the eye.



On Jun 29, 2009, at 07:25 , William Robb wrote:


A URL would probably help:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/pose2.html

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Graydon
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:18:04PM -0400, Igor Roshchin scripsit:
 Several people commented assuming this couple was dancing.
 I am not sure if that was intended to be a dancing pose, but having
 taken many dance photos (and dancing a bit myself), it clearly
 not a dancing pose. The guy's hands are barely touching lady's waist.

I know it wasn't a dancing pose; I was (and I think the other
suggestors) suggesting that a dance hold would work better than the pose
that they are in, which has all kinds of issues.  (Centre of gravity for
the couple is not in a good place, particularly.)

-- Graydon 

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Doug Franklin

William Robb wrote:

A URL would probably help:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/pose2.html


Doesn't really work for me, primarily because it's obvious the guy is 
looking off into space instead of at the girl.


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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Stan Halpin
That was my reaction also - she is fine, he looks like he is trying  
to keep an eye on you rather than look at her. Hey Mr. Groom - she is  
your Bride dummy! Pay attention!


stan

On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:


On 30/06/2009, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office.  
She was
less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I  
offered to

make it right for her.
This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
Opinions welcome.
Thanks


I like her pose, but it doesn't work for her partner, at all.

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Larry Colen
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 07:55:04AM -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:
 For me, the biggest problem is the groom.  He doesn't look engaged at
 all - more like a prop.  He needs to be looking at her or you - or at

Isn't that what a groom is at a wedding? A prop that is necessary for
all of the fanfare to show off the bride?

:)

My first thought was that she looks like Barbie.

It's almost a perfect show off shot:

Bride looking pretty? check
Wedding dress?  check
Wedding ring?  check
Rose? check

What about a groom? 
Oh yeah!  check



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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jun 29, 2009, at 16:45 , Larry Colen wrote:


Isn't that what a groom is at a wedding? A prop that is necessary for
all of the fanfare to show off the bride?

:)

My first thought was that she looks like Barbie.

It's almost a perfect show off shot:

Bride looking pretty? check
Wedding dress?  check
Wedding ring?  check
Rose? check

What about a groom?
Oh yeah!  check


HAR!

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Re: Opinion wanted on Pose

2009-06-29 Thread ann sanfedele

Joe... and others...

Actually - nothing to do with brides and grooms  
ann points to Bill's original post...

I quote:

I shot a make up shoot yesterday for a girl in my wife's office. She 
was less than happy with the pictures her photographer gave her, so I 
offered to make it right for her.

This pose was her idea, and I'm not quire sure if I like it.
Opinions welcome.
Thanks

William Robb 

Someone else posted a wedding couple shot and it looks like a bunch of 
you (fear of wedding group analysis
members?) picked up the beat...  turning into a rather comical series of 
comments...


however, we all pretty much agree that guy had to go!

ann

Joseph McAllister wrote:


Like it.

But the groom should have some expression other than the lack of one  
he is expressing. Like lovingly looking his bride in the eye.







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