Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Frank, track bikes. So, since you asked, you have to sit through this. Take notes, there'll be a short quiz afterwards. vbg Track Bikes 101: nice story, I appreciate it. Cheers, Bedo.
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:33:15 +1300, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:48 PM, frank theriault wrote: Neither of those people are me, but the Rossin is my bike. It's what they use on velodromes, like in the Olympics. One gear, no freewheel (so you can't coast) and no brakes. My brother-in-law has a track bike (Avanti Pista). Nice! Not long after he bought it he found out the hard way what happens when you're not quite used to that non-freewheel hub. Beyond the no brakes thing, the no coasting thing takes some getting used to. I know many who've given fixes an honest try, and it just isn't for them. That's why there are many types of bikes... It doesn't help that he owns three other bikes (one road bike, one mountain bike and something that appears to be a bit of everything all in one). No doubt. I went of a few longish rides this summer, borrowing a friend's road bike, and it's really weird, all of a sudden being able to coast. Even more surprising, I found that it took me several minutes to get used to riding my fix again when I got back on it. The people I work with are pretty cycle-crazy (mostly mountain bikers). One guy has been known to ride his penny farthing into work! I'd love to try one of those one day - that and a unicycle (those are supposed to be hard to learn) Cheers, - Dave (yes I bike to work too but haven't been up the hill for a while) That's why they have gears! g BTW, just looking at my post that you quoted, I may have been a bit misleading when I said that track bikes like mine are used on the Olympic velodrome. Nowadays, anyone of Olympic calibre is using carbon fibre frames, not steel or aluminium. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:18:57 -0800, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the great explanation. I can understand and appreciate the beauty and simplicity, but nevertheless can't imagine what it must be like to ride a fixed, for a number of reasons, all of which seem to be the reasons you love it. Enjoy! (and nice pictures). Thanks, Dave. BTW, I used to think that riding a fix in the city was totally insane, until I tried it. Being used to gears, one would think that it's really, really hard to get around with only one, especially getting around quickly. It's not (counter-intuitive though it seems). I bought my first fixed gear for the frame only. I'd just broken my frame, and a friend of mine had a road bike converted to a fixie (with a front brake). I was going to put the components from my road bike on his frame, but he said, try riding it as a fix, just for the weekend, just to see what you think. For about an hour or two it was very intimidating, but then it got more and more comfortable. By Monday morning I was hooked, and I've never owned a bike with a freewheel since (that was about 7 or 8 years ago). I must say, though, as I've been going on longer training rides with some racer buddies starting last summer, I'm thinking that a nice road bike would be a good idea. g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:33:15 +1300, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The people I work with are pretty cycle-crazy (mostly mountain bikers). One guy has been known to ride his penny farthing into work! I'd love to try one of those one day - that and a unicycle (those are supposed to be hard to learn) Veering ever more off-topic: What do they call a penny farthing bike in the U.S.? Surely it isn't penny farthing since those terms don't mean anything to most people here. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Ah, an ordinary! I have always wanted to ride one of those. Hey, Frank, you ought to get one. They have no freewheel, and think of the view you would have in traffic. The perfect courier bike (grin). graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- David Mann wrote: The people I work with are pretty cycle-crazy (mostly mountain bikers). One guy has been known to ride his penny farthing into work! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Ordinary bicycle or just ordinary, as opposed the a safety bicycle (the kind we are used to) which was safer since you did not have so far to fall and headers were not as likely. I studied up on them once wanting to get one until I found out they cost more than the motorcycle I was riding at the time. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:33:15 +1300, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The people I work with are pretty cycle-crazy (mostly mountain bikers). One guy has been known to ride his penny farthing into work! I'd love to try one of those one day - that and a unicycle (those are supposed to be hard to learn) Veering ever more off-topic: What do they call a penny farthing bike in the U.S.? Surely it isn't penny farthing since those terms don't mean anything to most people here. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:37:47 -0500, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Veering ever more off-topic: What do they call a penny farthing bike in the U.S.? Surely it isn't penny farthing since those terms don't mean anything to most people here. It's called a High Wheel. http://www.pedalinghistory.com/PHbikbio.htm -- Scott Loveless Born free. Taxed to death.
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:36:48 -0500, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, Excellent! I was immediately struck with a sense of exasperation. While the photo does seem busy, it fits. After all, most bike couriers work in busy places, with lots of traffic, lots of buildings, and lots of people. Certainly enough to wear me out. As there is no one else in the frame, I get the impression this was taken at the end of her day as the city winds down for the night. Technical merits aside (I'm not qualified to comment on that, anyway), you've certainly captured the mood. Was the out of focus trash can in the fore ground left in for a reason? I like it there, but was wondering if you intended it to mean something specific. I knew there was one more post on this thread that I wanted to reply to, and this is it. vbg It was WRT the trash can you mentioned, Scott. Actually, I think it's Kiki's courier bag, sitting on a bench. I didn't leave it in for any other reason than that I don't like cropping, unless absolutely necessary. Of course, there are those that think that cropping is absolutely necessary in every photo; I'm not one of them. vbg Thanks for you kind comments, and a blanket thanks to everyone else who commented to whom I didn't specifically respond. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Quoting Cesar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No one has pointed out that this is basically a bicycle very similar to the one we all learned to ride on - or those who had the opportunity, like the tricycle some had... You may have a point wrt the tricycle, César, but I specifically remember there *were* brakes on the bicycle I learned to ride on. And all bicycles in my life since, for that matter.
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Mar 5, 2005, at 1:40 PM, frank theriault wrote: The people I work with are pretty cycle-crazy (mostly mountain bikers). One guy has been known to ride his penny farthing into work! I'd love to try one of those one day - that and a unicycle (those are supposed to be hard to learn) I've seen video footage of some crazy nutcase who does mountain biking on a unicycle. I'd actually like to have a go on one but I don't see myself succeeding in any small amount of time. I certainly can't balance on my bike at the lights yet. Oh and the penny farthing enthusiasts here have a yearly event where they ride up a road on one of our hills. The winner is whoever goes the furthest before dropping. It's quite impressive how well they do considering the lack of gears. - Dave (yes I bike to work too but haven't been up the hill for a while) That's why they have gears! g Yeah I know ;) I'm lucky to live in a city that's totally flat, but with hills at one end. Great for the daily commute with the opportunity for real exercise during the weekend (or summer evenings). Maybe I'll go out tomorrow if the weather is good. BTW, just looking at my post that you quoted, I may have been a bit misleading when I said that track bikes like mine are used on the Olympic velodrome. Nowadays, anyone of Olympic calibre is using carbon fibre frames, not steel or aluminium. Yes, that's right. I remember seeing a news item at Olympics-time that was all about Sarah Ulmer's fancy new custom bike. I bet she'd still beat me riding a steel 10-speed with a rusty chain and dodgy bearings. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 The only thing I don't like is the intruding out-of-focus blob at the bottom of the frame (center). BTW: It looks like Kiki's bike doesn't have any brakes or gears. Is she another track bike loony, er... I mean aficionado? ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On 2/3/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 Thanks in advance to all who look. yeah, good catch Frank. Definitely caught the mood there lad. Nice one. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:45:23 -0500, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Frank, Excellent! I was immediately struck with a sense of exasperation. While the photo does seem busy, it fits. After all, most bike couriers work in busy places, with lots of traffic, lots of buildings, and lots of people. Certainly enough to wear me out. As there is no one else in the frame, I get the impression this was taken at the end of her day as the city winds down for the night. Technical merits aside (I'm not qualified to comment on that, anyway), you've certainly captured the mood. Was the out of focus trash can in the fore ground left in for a reason? I like it there, but was wondering if you intended it to mean something specific. -- Scott Loveless Born free. Taxed to death.
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Hi Frank, I quite like it. I think the juxtaposition of the curves in the bike and Kiki is interesting :-) The photograph does well portray her mood, even without the description, which makes it a good portait for me! Few things that could be improved though: tonality - some dodging of the face, and the overall contrast is too high I think the curves - I would like if there was more of the picture to the right, it's a bit tight. bottom - maybe (I don't know if possible or not!) it would be nicer if the bottom of photo was cleaner - if you had perhaps been a bit higher (though that might have changed the perspecitve too much for the juxtaposition to work - I don't know). Overall, improve the tonality, IMNSHO, and it (is already) will be a great portrait! Good light! fra
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Frank, I can't get it to load. Did you move or delete it? Rick --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 Thanks in advance to all who look. More thanks to those who comment. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
frank theriault wrote on 3/2/2005, 8:45 PM: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 It's not bad but a tighter shot, framing just her face, would have been more to my liking to show her emotion. -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
This is an off-topic question, but does that bike have any brakes or gears? How does one stop? Christian wrote: frank theriault wrote on 3/2/2005, 8:45 PM: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 It's not bad but a tighter shot, framing just her face, would have been more to my liking to show her emotion.
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an off-topic question, but does that bike have any brakes or gears? How does one stop? Minimalism at it's finest, and most dangerous. Note the snazzy helmet. -- Scott Loveless Born free. Taxed to death.
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Okay, finally got it to download after a few reboots and running Norton and SpyBot. As others have commented, Frank, this is a more cluttered than your usual composition, but it is very effective. I like the shallow depth-of-field. The photo just radiates Kiki's fatigue. Very nice! Rick --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 Thanks in advance to all who look. More thanks to those who comment. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
In a message dated 3/2/2005 5:47:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 Thanks in advance to all who look. More thanks to those who comment. cheers, frank I like it. But the contrast is a little on the dark/too gray side. I think her face needs to be dodged a bit to show up a little more. IMHO, then it would be a stronger picture. HTH! Marnie aka Doe
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On 3/3/05, David Oswald, discombobulated, unleashed: This is an off-topic question, but does that bike have any brakes or gears? How does one stop? RORFL. This is *Frank Theriault* you are talking to here Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an off-topic question, but does that bike have any brakes or gears? How does one stop? (everyone who's already heard the fix gear love-in may tune out and delete; we have a newbie here...) Sorry, David, I know you're not really a newbie, but you've not been here long enough to know that I love fixed gear bikes, especially track bikes. So, since you asked, you have to sit through this. Take notes, there'll be a short quiz afterwards. vbg Track Bikes 101: Here's my bike: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2870605 Neither of those people are me, but the Rossin is my bike. It's what they use on velodromes, like in the Olympics. One gear, no freewheel (so you can't coast) and no brakes. Brakes, gears, changers, all that stuff has mass. Take 'em off, and you have a lighter bike. Fine, you say, makes sense on a track, isn't it insane to ride that way on the street? Well, no, not really. One can stop easier than one thinks, using just your legs to slow down the pedals. Really. Once you know that your stopping distances are a bit longer, you ride accordingly, and change your reflex from brake! to turn! - you're always aware of an out, just like blading. What's the advantage on the street? Simplicity of mainenance, ease of repair, quick acceleration. That's why lots of couriers use them. If you go back to the pic, the bike peeking into the frame on the right has front brakes, and I would advise anyone riding a fix gear bike for the first time to run front brakes (or both front and back) for minimum one year before going brakeless. Here's my friend Vivian, not a courier, and accountant who couriered to put herself through school: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2815736 A better view of a track bike with a front brake. And, here's another view of my bike, just 'cause I think it's so pretty (even though you can't really see the drivetrain): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2938717size=lg So, there you have it. Some (apparently, like Mr. Loveless vbg) think it rather dangerous to ride fixes in town. I would beg to differ, if only because I've ridden a track bike now for about 8 years, some 6 years brakeless, as a courier in Toronto. I've ridden road bikes, mountain bikes and track bikes in town, and none is inherently more or less dangerous than another; knowing the limits of both rider and machine is what's important. There. Aren't you glad you asked? vbg cheers, frank PS: There's not really a quiz now, I just said that to get you to pay attention. LOL -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Thanks for the great explanation. I can understand and appreciate the beauty and simplicity, but nevertheless can't imagine what it must be like to ride a fixed, for a number of reasons, all of which seem to be the reasons you love it. Enjoy! (and nice pictures). frank theriault wrote: On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an off-topic question, but does that bike have any brakes or gears? How does one stop? (everyone who's already heard the fix gear love-in may tune out and delete; we have a newbie here...) Sorry, David, I know you're not really a newbie, but you've not been here long enough to know that I love fixed gear bikes, especially track bikes. So, since you asked, you have to sit through this. Take notes, there'll be a short quiz afterwards. vbg Track Bikes 101: Here's my bike: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2870605 Neither of those people are me, but the Rossin is my bike. It's what they use on velodromes, like in the Olympics. One gear, no freewheel (so you can't coast) and no brakes. Brakes, gears, changers, all that stuff has mass. Take 'em off, and you have a lighter bike. Fine, you say, makes sense on a track, isn't it insane to ride that way on the street? Well, no, not really. One can stop easier than one thinks, using just your legs to slow down the pedals. Really. Once you know that your stopping distances are a bit longer, you ride accordingly, and change your reflex from brake! to turn! - you're always aware of an out, just like blading. What's the advantage on the street? Simplicity of mainenance, ease of repair, quick acceleration. That's why lots of couriers use them. If you go back to the pic, the bike peeking into the frame on the right has front brakes, and I would advise anyone riding a fix gear bike for the first time to run front brakes (or both front and back) for minimum one year before going brakeless. Here's my friend Vivian, not a courier, and accountant who couriered to put herself through school: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2815736 A better view of a track bike with a front brake. And, here's another view of my bike, just 'cause I think it's so pretty (even though you can't really see the drivetrain): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2938717size=lg So, there you have it. Some (apparently, like Mr. Loveless vbg) think it rather dangerous to ride fixes in town. I would beg to differ, if only because I've ridden a track bike now for about 8 years, some 6 years brakeless, as a courier in Toronto. I've ridden road bikes, mountain bikes and track bikes in town, and none is inherently more or less dangerous than another; knowing the limits of both rider and machine is what's important. There. Aren't you glad you asked? vbg cheers, frank PS: There's not really a quiz now, I just said that to get you to pay attention. LOL
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
No one has pointed out that this is basically a bicycle very similar to the one we all learned to ride on - or those who had the opportunity, like the tricycle some had... Bianchi owner, but no fixed gear yet... César Panama City, Florida David Oswald wrote: Thanks for the great explanation. I can understand and appreciate the beauty and simplicity, but nevertheless can't imagine what it must be like to ride a fixed, for a number of reasons, all of which seem to be the reasons you love it. Enjoy! (and nice pictures). frank theriault wrote: On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip (everyone who's already heard the fix gear love-in may tune out and delete; we have a newbie here...) snip cheers, frank PS: There's not really a quiz now, I just said that to get you to pay attention. LOL
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:48 PM, frank theriault wrote: Neither of those people are me, but the Rossin is my bike. It's what they use on velodromes, like in the Olympics. One gear, no freewheel (so you can't coast) and no brakes. My brother-in-law has a track bike (Avanti Pista). Not long after he bought it he found out the hard way what happens when you're not quite used to that non-freewheel hub. It doesn't help that he owns three other bikes (one road bike, one mountain bike and something that appears to be a bit of everything all in one). The people I work with are pretty cycle-crazy (mostly mountain bikers). One guy has been known to ride his penny farthing into work! Cheers, - Dave (yes I bike to work too but haven't been up the hill for a while) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
photo.net is not responding tonight, Frank. I'll try again tomorrow. This happened last night too, as I recall! Hmmm. keith whaley frank theriault wrote: I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 Thanks in advance to all who look. More thanks to those who comment. cheers, frank
RE: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Hi Frank I don't think this one makes the cut. Too many distracting elements, perhaps even the wrong perspective to show the emotion of a hard day (capturing body language is sometimes difficult, and especially so when there are numerous other elements to contend with, such as the OOF handle bars bisecting Kiki's torso. Good try, and certainly worth an effort. Of course, I must ask the usual question: how many other frames did you shoot? Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
I like it. It's a nicely composed frame and an interesting shot. Good work. Paul I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 Thanks in advance to all who look. More thanks to those who comment. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:07:34 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it. It's a nicely composed frame and an interesting shot. Good work. Paul Thanks, Paul, So far there's one yay, one nay and one abstention (well, photo.net was being persnickity for Keith). I appreciate your input, and I'm glad you liked it. thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
This one seems a bit busy, not your usual relatively simple strong compositions. Not to mention that the main subject is in focus. frank theriault wrote: I'm not sure about this one. I liked it as a contact, now that it's all blowed up, I'm just not sure. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. What's your reaction to it? Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 Thanks in advance to all who look. More thanks to those who comment. cheers, frank -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:15:07 -0500, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one seems a bit busy, not your usual relatively simple strong compositions. Not to mention that the main subject is in focus. Thanks for your input. Sorry about the focus. g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki
Hi! Kiki's a bike courier, and she was having a bad day when I took this. I was going to call it either Kiki's Bad Day or (tongue in cheek) Kiki Prays to the Bike Gods or something like that. Anyway, here it is: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457 I think it just works. In fact, I think you could've omitted the story, Frank. There is very certain yet very subtle sense of a world falling onto her here. The tilt of the street, the pose, the facial expression. My wife also thinks it works. There are some distracting elements on the bottom of the frame, but they're very minor nuisance. I think you just did it :). Boris
