Re: PAW - Cave Stream
In a message dated 12/12/2005 1:46:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's about time I posted another pic... I have several versions of this one; this is just the first I came to when scanning. The others are on the next row which I'll process at a future date :) I've put in a fair bit of work trying to maintain some detail inside the big hole... you may need to be in a darkened room to get the most out of this pic. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=154t=1 There are still a couple of minor faults to my eye but I'd rather put the effort into the medium format version which is a much better pic (and will be scanned at a later date). - Dave Nice. I will be interested to see the MF in the future. Marnie aka Doe
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In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:35:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the info. Rocks can be quite fascinating... I'm not exactly fond of earthquakes but it seems we're somewhat overdue for a decent-sized one. We went and built our capital city right on top of a large fault line... I really like the city but I wouldn't want to live there. BTW I processed the other shots last night and put up a small gallery: http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/galleries/view.php?g=28 Now I want to go back and get some better ones. - Dave === Aha. You've put up more. I especially like 210, neat shot. What an interesting subject! Marnie aka Doe
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Dave, I didn't care for the first one you showed us, but I quite like #'s 210 and 105. 210 is kind of disorienting and I really like the composition of 105. Being fascinated with caves in general, they make my mind race... Tom C. BTW I processed the other shots last night and put up a small gallery: http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/galleries/view.php?g=28 Now I want to go back and get some better ones.
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On Dec 21, 2005, at 2:56 PM, Tom C wrote: I didn't care for the first one you showed us, but I quite like #'s 210 and 105. 210 is kind of disorienting and I really like the composition of 105. Being fascinated with caves in general, they make my mind race... Thanks for commenting. They are also my favourites from that collection. I shot those in 1999 and I'd really like to go back and do a better job overall. The landscape in that whole area is amazing. - Dave
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Thanks David, I might visit the place on my next trip to South island, Cheers, Ronald David Mann wrote: On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Ronald Arvidsson wrote: Wonderful picture. You really got the rocks right. Is it some kind of limestone? Yes, it's limestone. The river has been gradually carving its way through for thousands of years. Where in Canterbury is it? It's about halfway between Christchurch and Arthurs Pass. Not far from Lake Pearson if you have a good map. Just follow highway 73. - Dave
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Hi, I actually think it gies some extra depth to a picture when small river rocks are sharp. I howver liked the framing better of your first picture. Cheers, Ronald David Mann wrote: On Dec 13, 2005, at 6:56 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: What bothers me: Just doesn't appear sharp - the walls look very detailed, but soft and the stream rocks likewise - perhaps just need sharpening The walls were probably quite soft anyway... limestone is a bit like that and the texture isn't cracks. I guess it's some kind of weathering process. The lighting was also quite diffused (cloudy weather). Having said that I didn't put a huge amount of effort into sharpening. I masked out the edges of the stream rocks because of halos and didn't come back for a second, more subtle sharpening. Even though you worked hard on the hole, it still is pretty dark - Velvia was probably a wrong choice here It's quite subtle and is meant to still be quite dark. If I get the time I might put up the before version later. Don't look for detail in the middle of the hole - it's just an extra section on the right. You're correct about Velvia being a bad choice. I'm actually surprised I was able to get anything useful out of it at all. I do wish I'd used something else but that was what I had in the camera at the time. I can always go back and re-shoot. Here's another view from a medium format slide that I scanned a few months ago. The river rocks look a bit sharper, actually a little too sharp for my liking. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=6 Thanks for commenting. - Dave
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HI, The texture isnt cracks - thats correct. I once upon a time was a geologist before rurning into earthquakes. The tecture of rock e.g. limestone, is due to - 1. The deposits (coral reef or whatever was the basis for the limestone) are layered and when squeezed deeper into the Earth they appear as layers in the rock. Another process which tranforms the rock is pressure - finally it gives marble - that may also give rise to layered texture. Weatheringbrings forward these phenomenas. Cracks can form around these surfaces - or due to temperature changes. And in some places like New Zealand due to so called tectonic movements which create earthquakes (faults and cracks is the result of earthquakes). Cheers, Ronald David Mann wrote: On Dec 13, 2005, at 6:56 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: What bothers me: Just doesn't appear sharp - the walls look very detailed, but soft and the stream rocks likewise - perhaps just need sharpening The walls were probably quite soft anyway... limestone is a bit like that and the texture isn't cracks. I guess it's some kind of weathering process. The lighting was also quite diffused (cloudy weather). Having said that I didn't put a huge amount of effort into sharpening. I masked out the edges of the stream rocks because of halos and didn't come back for a second, more subtle sharpening. Even though you worked hard on the hole, it still is pretty dark - Velvia was probably a wrong choice here It's quite subtle and is meant to still be quite dark. If I get the time I might put up the before version later. Don't look for detail in the middle of the hole - it's just an extra section on the right. You're correct about Velvia being a bad choice. I'm actually surprised I was able to get anything useful out of it at all. I do wish I'd used something else but that was what I had in the camera at the time. I can always go back and re-shoot. Here's another view from a medium format slide that I scanned a few months ago. The river rocks look a bit sharper, actually a little too sharp for my liking. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=6 Thanks for commenting. - Dave
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Thanks for the info. Rocks can be quite fascinating... I'm not exactly fond of earthquakes but it seems we're somewhat overdue for a decent-sized one. We went and built our capital city right on top of a large fault line... I really like the city but I wouldn't want to live there. BTW I processed the other shots last night and put up a small gallery: http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/galleries/view.php?g=28 Now I want to go back and get some better ones. - Dave On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:12 AM, Ronald Arvidsson wrote: HI, The texture isnt cracks - thats correct. I once upon a time was a geologist before rurning into earthquakes. The tecture of rock e.g. limestone, is due to - 1. The deposits (coral reef or whatever was the basis for the limestone) are layered and when squeezed deeper into the Earth they appear as layers in the rock. Another process which tranforms the rock is pressure - finally it gives marble - that may also give rise to layered texture. Weatheringbrings forward these phenomenas. Cracks can form around these surfaces - or due to temperature changes. And in some places like New Zealand due to so called tectonic movements which create earthquakes (faults and cracks is the result of earthquakes). Cheers, Ronald
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Thts right. New Zealand is on shaky ground. If I would live there I 'd check out that my hose is safe and sound. Otherwise so called retrofitting is needed. I agree with you Wellington is a nice place. I believe that New Zealand engineers are up to world standrds when it comes into constructing earthquake proof buildings. Wether everythings is built according to norms thats another question. The gallery is quite fascinating for a rock geek like me. It looks like something out of Tolkien. Cheers, I've changed my mind. I like the fifth picture the best. The slow flow of the water and the foreground gives it a tranquil atmosphere. Ronald Cheers, Ronald David Mann wrote: Thanks for the info. Rocks can be quite fascinating... I'm not exactly fond of earthquakes but it seems we're somewhat overdue for a decent-sized one. We went and built our capital city right on top of a large fault line... I really like the city but I wouldn't want to live there. BTW I processed the other shots last night and put up a small gallery: http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/galleries/view.php?g=28 Now I want to go back and get some better ones. - Dave On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:12 AM, Ronald Arvidsson wrote: HI, The texture isnt cracks - thats correct. I once upon a time was a geologist before rurning into earthquakes. The tecture of rock e.g. limestone, is due to - 1. The deposits (coral reef or whatever was the basis for the limestone) are layered and when squeezed deeper into the Earth they appear as layers in the rock. Another process which tranforms the rock is pressure - finally it gives marble - that may also give rise to layered texture. Weatheringbrings forward these phenomenas. Cracks can form around these surfaces - or due to temperature changes. And in some places like New Zealand due to so called tectonic movements which create earthquakes (faults and cracks is the result of earthquakes). Cheers, Ronald
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Hi David, Wonderful picture. You really got the rocks right. Is it some kind of limestone? Where in Canterbury is it? I've been to NZ some four times and plan to go there again withthe family. We went together there and they were so taken that they just wanted to go back. Its a lovely place with lots of interesting natural phomenas including caves like the one shown on your photo. Cheers, Ronald David Mann wrote: It's about time I posted another pic... I have several versions of this one; this is just the first I came to when scanning. The others are on the next row which I'll process at a future date :) I've put in a fair bit of work trying to maintain some detail inside the big hole... you may need to be in a darkened room to get the most out of this pic. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=154t=1 There are still a couple of minor faults to my eye but I'd rather put the effort into the medium format version which is a much better pic (and will be scanned at a later date). - Dave
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A mighty fine picture. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: David Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12. desember 2005 10:45 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PAW - Cave Stream It's about time I posted another pic... I have several versions of this one; this is just the first I came to when scanning. The others are on the next row which I'll process at a future date :) I've put in a fair bit of work trying to maintain some detail inside the big hole... you may need to be in a darkened room to get the most out of this pic. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=154t=1 There are still a couple of minor faults to my eye but I'd rather put the effort into the medium format version which is a much better pic (and will be scanned at a later date). - Dave
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On 12/12/05, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's about time I posted another pic... I have several versions of this one; this is just the first I came to when scanning. The others are on the next row which I'll process at a future date :) I've put in a fair bit of work trying to maintain some detail inside the big hole... you may need to be in a darkened room to get the most out of this pic. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=154t=1 There are still a couple of minor faults to my eye but I'd rather put the effort into the medium format version which is a much better pic (and will be scanned at a later date). Ooo! this is way kewl! There's a real sense of depth here. I feel drawn into the darkness, as if it were the vortex of a black hole. Neat! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Dave my only nit with this is that I prefer the black hole be lower in the frame. drawing the viewer in more than as you have it Was this a color capture? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Cave Stream It's about time I posted another pic... I have several versions of this one; this is just the first I came to when scanning. The others are on the next row which I'll process at a future date :) I've put in a fair bit of work trying to maintain some detail inside the big hole... you may need to be in a darkened room to get the most out of this pic. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=154t=1 There are still a couple of minor faults to my eye but I'd rather put the effort into the medium format version which is a much better pic (and will be scanned at a later date). - Dave PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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I like it. Neat subject and great depth. Christian - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=154t=1
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Hello David, I've looked at this a couple of times now. My feelings are mixed about it. What I like: Unusual natural phenomenon Unusual water color Composition What bothers me: Just doesn't appear sharp - the walls look very detailed, but soft and the stream rocks likewise - perhaps just need sharpening Even though you worked hard on the hole, it still is pretty dark - Velvia was probably a wrong choice here -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, December 12, 2005, 1:44:32 AM, you wrote: DM It's about time I posted another pic... I have several versions of DM this one; this is just the first I came to when scanning. The others DM are on the next row which I'll process at a future date :) DM I've put in a fair bit of work trying to maintain some detail inside DM the big hole... you may need to be in a darkened room to get the most DM out of this pic. DM http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=154t=1 DM There are still a couple of minor faults to my eye but I'd rather put DM the effort into the medium format version which is a much better pic DM (and will be scanned at a later date). DM - Dave
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On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Ronald Arvidsson wrote: Wonderful picture. You really got the rocks right. Is it some kind of limestone? Yes, it's limestone. The river has been gradually carving its way through for thousands of years. Where in Canterbury is it? It's about halfway between Christchurch and Arthurs Pass. Not far from Lake Pearson if you have a good map. Just follow highway 73. - Dave
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On Dec 13, 2005, at 3:02 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Dave my only nit with this is that I prefer the black hole be lower in the frame. drawing the viewer in more than as you have it I have one with the hole lower. It's in the batch I'll hopefully be processing tonight. I think the hole is too low in that one though, as I can't see as much of the river as I'd like. I'd like to go back to that location sometime... it's not far from here and in the right weather it's a great place for taking photos. Was this a color capture? Yep... Velvia :( - Dave
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On Dec 13, 2005, at 6:56 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: What bothers me: Just doesn't appear sharp - the walls look very detailed, but soft and the stream rocks likewise - perhaps just need sharpening The walls were probably quite soft anyway... limestone is a bit like that and the texture isn't cracks. I guess it's some kind of weathering process. The lighting was also quite diffused (cloudy weather). Having said that I didn't put a huge amount of effort into sharpening. I masked out the edges of the stream rocks because of halos and didn't come back for a second, more subtle sharpening. Even though you worked hard on the hole, it still is pretty dark - Velvia was probably a wrong choice here It's quite subtle and is meant to still be quite dark. If I get the time I might put up the before version later. Don't look for detail in the middle of the hole - it's just an extra section on the right. You're correct about Velvia being a bad choice. I'm actually surprised I was able to get anything useful out of it at all. I do wish I'd used something else but that was what I had in the camera at the time. I can always go back and re-shoot. Here's another view from a medium format slide that I scanned a few months ago. The river rocks look a bit sharper, actually a little too sharp for my liking. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=6 Thanks for commenting. - Dave
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Hi! David, being not a cave wonderer myself, I rather am frightened by the view. I really like the way the smooth waves lead to the black hole of the cave... Thumbs up! Boris
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Actually it's nicely composed, not particularly boring. I like it. David Mann wrote: Just a boring landscape, but it's on time this week :) Sorry if the colours look a little off... I scanned with the wrong film profile and tried correcting it by eye. http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=13-Mar-2004 Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
