Re: PESO: Empire into nation
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:04:36 -0400 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224399856328722 > > > > nobody knows when 'empire' was changed to 'nation' but obviously it > > was. what do you guys think? > > Whoever did the revision didn't do a very good job of it. > > Good photo though. thanks, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Empire into nation
From: Subash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hi, since we are on the subject of revisionist history, i thought i'll dig up this old photo from december 07 from one of our flickr group photo walks... we have a war memorial here, built in 1939 in memory of those who died in WWI and later extended to include WWII and a few others which india bought with china and pakistan post independence. it is a huge circular structure with a tower in the middle, with the circular structure naming the various theatre of operations and those who died there. this is a shot of the base of the central tower: http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224399856328722 nobody knows when 'empire' was changed to 'nation' but obviously it was. what do you guys think? Whoever did the revision didn't do a very good job of it. Good photo though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:03:06 -0700 Joseph McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A stirling memorial, Subash. > > One would think that the granite could have been more carefully > matched when they inserted "The Nation" into it. :-) > > I was moved by the story of your father, and have a pleasant mental > picture of him, ear cocked to the 12-band taking note of the code as > it came across. > > A generation from now that skill will all but be lost as Morse Code > has been phased out of most training. thanks Joe. i think they didn't even bother to replace the granite block. just scrape off the previous lettering and put the new words in. :-) and thanks for the nice words too. regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:53:32 -0500 "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think NATION is a perfectly appropriate change, but revisions can > get troubling. > > At services this Yom Kipur, half the congregation had newly revised > prayer books, > and half had the older copies. The Reform Judaism governing body > decided that the prayers should be gender neutral, so all references > to God as Father, Lord, King, etc. > were expunged. Half the congregation was reading 'O Lord', the other > half reading > 'O sovereign one'. Sometimes you ought to just let the metafors > stand. thanks Bob, for looking and the comments. as far as religious revisionism is concerned, we have an easy way out here: there are enough gods, goddesses and sects to satisfy all possible political and cultural needs. ;-) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Empire into nation
> > It always amazes how little bitterness Indian people seem to have > > towards the British. Even though we ruled India for > centuries, and did > > some unspeakable things, Indians always seem very warm towards us. > > Yes, but we Canadians don't much like you - maybe it's the > cooler climate? > > ;-) > > cheers, > frank Nah. It's because you're a bunch of c...anucks. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It always amazes how little bitterness Indian people seem to have > towards the British. Even though we ruled India for centuries, and did > some unspeakable things, Indians always seem very warm towards us. Yes, but we Canadians don't much like you - maybe it's the cooler climate? ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
A stirling memorial, Subash. One would think that the granite could have been more carefully matched when they inserted "The Nation" into it. :-) I was moved by the story of your father, and have a pleasant mental picture of him, ear cocked to the 12-band taking note of the code as it came across. A generation from now that skill will all but be lost as Morse Code has been phased out of most training. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian On Oct 14, 2008, at 23:01 , Subash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: we have a war memorial here, built in 1939 in memory of those who died in WWI and later extended to include WWII and a few others which india bought with china and pakistan post independence. it is a huge circular structure with a tower in the middle, with the circular structure naming the various theatre of operations and those who died there. this is a shot of the base of the central tower: http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224399856328722 nobody knows when 'empire' was changed to 'nation' but obviously it was. what do you guys think? the full 'tower' here: http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224400320090594 both, *ist DS and the da 16-45mm... btw, fwiw, india sent, under the british, the largest volunteer army from any single country to WWII. my own father saw action under the british in the then 'far east'. he was a soldier, not an officer, with the signals. never talked about it much except that he lugged a marconi around. lived to the ripe old age of 85. and in his last days/years, a decade back, he got enormous pleasure out of decoding morse signals in the short wave bands of the panasonic 12-band transistor radio he had. :-) if you have been with me this far, thanks for listening. and looking. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
I think NATION is a perfectly appropriate change, but revisions can get troubling. At services this Yom Kipur, half the congregation had newly revised prayer books, and half had the older copies. The Reform Judaism governing body decided that the prayers should be gender neutral, so all references to God as Father, Lord, King, etc. were expunged. Half the congregation was reading 'O Lord', the other half reading 'O sovereign one'. Sometimes you ought to just let the metafors stand. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Subash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't think it is entirely revisionist. You say that the memorial >> includes people who died after indendence and after the end of the >> raj, so it seems to be entirely fitting to say that they died for >> their nation. With a little stretch of the imagination you could also >> say that people who died in the WWs did so for their nation. I should >> think it would have been changed when they inscribed the names of >> people who died in wars following the end of the raj. > > I guess that fits. with a little stretching. :-) > >> It always amazes how little bitterness Indian people seem to have >> towards the British. Even though we ruled India for centuries, and did >> some unspeakable things, Indians always seem very warm towards us. > > don't ask me :-)) > > >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224399856328722 > >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224400320090594 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it is entirely revisionist. You say that the memorial > includes people who died after indendence and after the end of the > raj, so it seems to be entirely fitting to say that they died for > their nation. With a little stretch of the imagination you could also > say that people who died in the WWs did so for their nation. I should > think it would have been changed when they inscribed the names of > people who died in wars following the end of the raj. I guess that fits. with a little stretching. :-) > It always amazes how little bitterness Indian people seem to have > towards the British. Even though we ruled India for centuries, and did > some unspeakable things, Indians always seem very warm towards us. don't ask me :-)) >> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224399856328722 >> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224400320090594 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:50 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: PESO: Empire > into nation > > >> William Robb wrote: >> >>> The WOGS start at Calais. >> >> Man, I'm American! The WOGS start a lot farther west than that! ;-) And >> farther east! > > Windsor?? Har? :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Subash wrote: >> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224399856328722 >> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224400320090594 > I'd be interested to see a photo taken soon after the unveiling, before the > stuff about "1939 1945" was added. I wonder what was in the lower sections > then? thanks Doug. i've been trying, intermittently, to get hold of one without much success. will post it somewhere if i do manage to get hold of one... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Empire into nation
I don't think it is entirely revisionist. You say that the memorial includes people who died after indendence and after the end of the raj, so it seems to be entirely fitting to say that they died for their nation. With a little stretch of the imagination you could also say that people who died in the WWs did so for their nation. I should think it would have been changed when they inscribed the names of people who died in wars following the end of the raj. It always amazes how little bitterness Indian people seem to have towards the British. Even though we ruled India for centuries, and did some unspeakable things, Indians always seem very warm towards us. Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Subash > Sent: 15 October 2008 05:15 > To: PDML > Subject: PESO: Empire into nation > > hi, > > since we are on the subject of revisionist history, i thought i'll dig > up this old photo from december 07 from one of our flickr group photo > walks... > > we have a war memorial here, built in 1939 in memory of those who died > in WWI and later extended to include WWII and a few others which india > bought with china and pakistan post independence. it is a > huge circular > structure with a tower in the middle, with the circular structure > naming the various theatre of operations and those who died > there. this > is a shot of the base of the central tower: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224399856328722 > > nobody knows when 'empire' was changed to 'nation' but obviously it > was. what do you guys think? > > the full 'tower' here: > http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224400320090594 > > both, *ist DS and the da 16-45mm... > > btw, fwiw, india sent, under the british, the largest volunteer > army from any single country to WWII. my own father saw > action under the > british in the then 'far east'. he was a soldier, not an officer, with > the signals. never talked about it much except that he lugged > a marconi > around. lived to the ripe old age of 85. and in his last days/years, a > decade back, he got enormous pleasure out of decoding morse signals in > the short wave bands of the panasonic 12-band transistor radio he > had. :-) if you have been with me this far, thanks for listening. and > looking. > > regards, subash > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above and follow the directions. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
William Robb wrote: William Robb wrote: The WOGS start at Calais. Man, I'm American! The WOGS start a lot farther west than that! ;-) And farther east! Windsor?? I was thinking Atlantic and Pacific. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
- Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: PESO: Empire into nation William Robb wrote: The WOGS start at Calais. Man, I'm American! The WOGS start a lot farther west than that! ;-) And farther east! Windsor?? ww -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: The WOGS start at Calais. Man, I'm American! The WOGS start a lot farther west than that! ;-) And farther east! -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
- Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: PESO: Empire into nation Personally, I wouldn't have wanted "Empire" changed to "Nation", but I can certainly understand the inclination to do so, after the many decades of imperial rule. You've obviously never been a dumb minion. Pip Pip!! The WOGS start at Calais. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
Subash wrote: we have a war memorial here, built in 1939 in memory of those who died in WWI and later extended to include WWII and a few others [...] http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224399856328722 nobody knows when 'empire' was changed to 'nation' but obviously it was. what do you guys think? the full 'tower' here: http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5257224400320090594 Very interesting backstory, Subash. I'd be interested to see a photo taken soon after the unveiling, before the stuff about "1939 1945" was added. I wonder what was in the lower sections then? Personally, I wouldn't have wanted "Empire" changed to "Nation", but I can certainly understand the inclination to do so, after the many decades of imperial rule. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Empire into nation
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:44:36 +0530 Subash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > in WWI and later extended to include WWII and a few others which india > bought with china and pakistan post independence. it is a huge that, of course, is 'fought'. it's past nine in the morning here and i don't even have the excuse of a nightcap... :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
