Re: PayPal's new policy
When I am bidding I look for a fixed SSH charge, then subtract that from my max bid. I do that because I have a very limited income and an open SSH charge forces me to make a low-ball bid. From a sellers viewpoint you are leveling the playing field, so the person next door and the person at the other side of the country pay the same; if the guy next door wins you make a couple of extra bucks. Of course that will not work for foreign sales but then they usually expect to have to pay extra anyway. What always amazes me about Ebay is how those sellers who say out right in their ads that they think buyers are jerks, and they don't want their business anyway, seem to get high bids. -- Ann Sanfedele wrote: Dr E D F Williams wrote: Good! What about this then? "Buyer pays Packing, Postage and Transaction charges including Insurance if required." Don Don, just hide it under handling for shipping :) ann -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
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Dr E D F Williams wrote: > Good! What about this then? > > "Buyer pays Packing, Postage and Transaction charges including Insurance if > required." > > Don Don, just hide it under handling for shipping :) ann > > ___ > Dr E D F Williams > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery > See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' > Updated: August 15, 2003 > > "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!" > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy > > > What's the matter with saying in your listing, "Buyer pays actual costs of > > transaction," or, "final bid price is net to seller"? That covers > everything, > > and is not a simple surcharge for the fact that someone uses PayPal - it's > > simply an indemnification of the seller's costs. > > > > Quoting Dr E D F Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Which is the violation 1) the surcharge on PayPal or 2) charging it on > all > > > payment types? I only do it for PayPal anyway. Lots of sellers add 5% > for > > > PayPal. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > ___ > > > Dr E D F Williams > > > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams > > > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery > > > See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' > > > Updated: August 15, 2003 > > > > > > "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!" > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > > In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a > > > > > handling charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to > sell > > > > > I'll just drop eBay and PayPal completely. > > > > > > > > Do you charge that surcharge for PayPal orders only, or for all > payment > > > > types? According to PayPal's rules, that's a violation of their TOS > > > > agreement. > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > >
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On 29/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Yesterday an item sold and the buyer and I had a lovely "getting to know >you" experience. >She even sent an email with a photo of the turkey she roasted When Paypal send you the same pic, you can guess what's coming! I agree with Shel. I just sold my lad's Gameboy and Paypal plaid no part - the emails were nice, and because she has very good feedback, I will gladly send out the item when I receive the cheque. It's called trust. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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On 28/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >All that having been said, what options HAVE you decided upon for >rendering and collecting payment? When I sell, I rarely offer worldwide. When I do, International Money Orders issued by a mainstream bank (not Western Union though - any UK seller accepting Western Union money orders take note - they cannot be cashed or paid into a UK bank account, or - get this - even changed into UK currency at a Western Union agent), direct bank transfer, cash by insured mail, personal cheque via a contact in NY. When it's a UK only sale, cheque, cash, postal order. When buying, (in UK) personal cheque. USA, good old dollars and sense either direct or via a NY contact. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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<< and not removed and turned into cold cash. >> I know a man. Cheers Peter
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All that having been said, what options HAVE you decided upon for rendering and collecting payment? keith whaley Cotty wrote: > > After considering various options, I have decided to dump Paypal. I > haven't closed my account, but have changed my address and removed my > credit card info, even though I am led to believe that info will still be > available to Paypal employees. At least the card will expire in due > course, not that far off. > > I haven't used it when selling very much, mainly because I only [had] a > credit card lodged, and with that option, the account balance could only > be used by ploughing back into purchases, and not removed and turned into > cold cash. I never considered lodging my bank account with Paypal. > > As a buyer, I used it frequently when buying from abroad - an extremely > useful and quick method of paying for purchases, and I will miss that > aspect. What I am not prepared to risk is fraudulent use of my credit > card by either crooked employees passing on info to third parties, or > having my account frozen by unwitting affiliation to other fraudulent > users. Both these possibilities are highlighted in actual case histories. > > I was never entirely happy with the whole thing, and am relieved for the > time being that I have ditched it. > > Cheers, > Cotty
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After considering various options, I have decided to dump Paypal. I haven't closed my account, but have changed my address and removed my credit card info, even though I am led to believe that info will still be available to Paypal employees. At least the card will expire in due course, not that far off. I haven't used it when selling very much, mainly because I only [had] a credit card lodged, and with that option, the account balance could only be used by ploughing back into purchases, and not removed and turned into cold cash. I never considered lodging my bank account with Paypal. As a buyer, I used it frequently when buying from abroad - an extremely useful and quick method of paying for purchases, and I will miss that aspect. What I am not prepared to risk is fraudulent use of my credit card by either crooked employees passing on info to third parties, or having my account frozen by unwitting affiliation to other fraudulent users. Both these possibilities are highlighted in actual case histories. I was never entirely happy with the whole thing, and am relieved for the time being that I have ditched it. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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I gave up on Paypal years ago when transactions simply "disappeared" and no one @ Paypal was willing to help me out. Paypal will only get worse now that they are owned by eBay. I would advise people who do a lot of selling in Yahoo! Auctions and eBay to get your own merchant account--its much easier than most people think--so that people can pay you by credit card. If you want really bad service and look forward to becoming another victim of identity theft then stay with Paypal. Pande http://pug.komkon.org/00marc/sweet_bokeh_submit.htm http://pug.komkon.org/02nov/lplsbmit.html http://pug.komkon.org/00apri/tango1_submit_pug.htm http://pug.komkon.org/00febr/swans_pug.htm http://pug.komkon.org/00janu/finnspot1.htm http://pug.komkon.org/00july/JulyOO/flower_happy_8_submit.html http://pug.komkon.org/02jun/f_prt_sm.html = Pande http://pug.komkon.org/00marc/sweet_bokeh_submit.htm http://pug.komkon.org/02nov/lplsbmit.html http://pug.komkon.org/00apri/tango1_submit_pug.htm http://pug.komkon.org/00febr/swans_pug.htm http://pug.komkon.org/00janu/finnspot1.htm http://pug.komkon.org/00july/JulyOO/flower_happy_8_submit.html http://pug.komkon.org/02jun/f_prt_sm.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
RE: PayPal's new policy
Dr E D F Williams wrote: > Yesterday I received a payment of 591 € via PayPal -- it was > made directly from the buyer's PayPal balance into mine. I > was credited 563 € ! No Bank in the world would take that > much for moving money from one account into another in the > same bank. I think its a bloody disgrace -- PayPal stinks. > Unfortunately so many people use the service that not to do > so is putting yourself at a severe disadvantage. I have been following this string with interest as I have been strongly considering using PayPal to accept payment on the disposal of my large LP collection - the turntables have already gone. I am quite happy to leave myself at a disadvantage; I will retain eBay but shun the so called convenience of PayPal. Thanks. Malcolm
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On 27/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a handling >charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to sell I'll just >drop eBay and PayPal completely. I'm going to drop Paypal, but I still think eBay is fabulous. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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On 27/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >> I am now considering ditching it altogether. I'm spending too much money >> on auctions >> >> Seriously. > >Ditching PayPal will make no difference. I don't ever use it and still >spend shedloads (by my standards). LOL. This is true. But it will make things *slightly* more difficult, especially after a few glasses of wine... Maybe I should give up drinking instead! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Good! What about this then? "Buyer pays Packing, Postage and Transaction charges including Insurance if required." Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!" - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy > What's the matter with saying in your listing, "Buyer pays actual costs of > transaction," or, "final bid price is net to seller"? That covers everything, > and is not a simple surcharge for the fact that someone uses PayPal - it's > simply an indemnification of the seller's costs. > > Quoting Dr E D F Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Which is the violation 1) the surcharge on PayPal or 2) charging it on all > > payment types? I only do it for PayPal anyway. Lots of sellers add 5% for > > PayPal. > > > > Don > > > > ___ > > Dr E D F Williams > > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams > > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery > > See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' > > Updated: August 15, 2003 > > > > "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!" > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:54 PM > > Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy > > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote: > > > > > > > In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a > > > > handling charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to sell > > > > I'll just drop eBay and PayPal completely. > > > > > > Do you charge that surcharge for PayPal orders only, or for all payment > > > types? According to PayPal's rules, that's a violation of their TOS > > > agreement. > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >
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Unless you live in the UK, you are not allowed to charge a surcharge on buyers who pay with PayPal. Details: http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_payments-outside "No Surcharges. Under Visa, MasterCard, Discover and American Express regulations and the laws of several states, including California, merchants may not charge a fee to the buyer for accepting credit card payments (often called a "surcharge"). You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as payment. This restriction does not prevent you from imposing a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge (in other words, the handling fee for transactions paid through PayPal may not be higher than the handling fee for transactions paid through other payment methods)." UK sellers are allowed to charge a surcharge, but if they do then they are not elligible for PayPal's seller protection, which means that any chargeback on the part of the buyer will result in the seller's account being debited. What this means for UK sellers is that even if you follow all laws and rules--even if you ship via registered, insured mail with full tracking and signature required--even if you ship to the buyer's registered address and do everything that PayPal asks of you--you are still not protected if you charged them a PayPal surcharge. PayPal will take the buyer's money back from you and refund it to the buyer. Gotta love 'em. chris On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote: > Which is the violation 1) the surcharge on PayPal or 2) charging it on all > payment types? I only do it for PayPal anyway. Lots of sellers add 5% for > PayPal. > > Don > > ___ > Dr E D F Williams > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery > See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' > Updated: August 15, 2003 > > "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!" > > - Original Message - > From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy > > > > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote: > > > > > In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a > > > handling charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to sell > > > I'll just drop eBay and PayPal completely. > > > > Do you charge that surcharge for PayPal orders only, or for all payment > > types? According to PayPal's rules, that's a violation of their TOS > > agreement. > > > > chris > > > > >
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What's the matter with saying in your listing, "Buyer pays actual costs of transaction," or, "final bid price is net to seller"? That covers everything, and is not a simple surcharge for the fact that someone uses PayPal - it's simply an indemnification of the seller's costs. Quoting Dr E D F Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Which is the violation 1) the surcharge on PayPal or 2) charging it on all > payment types? I only do it for PayPal anyway. Lots of sellers add 5% for > PayPal. > > Don > > ___ > Dr E D F Williams > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery > See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' > Updated: August 15, 2003 > > "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!" > > - Original Message - > From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy > > > > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote: > > > > > In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a > > > handling charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to sell > > > I'll just drop eBay and PayPal completely. > > > > Do you charge that surcharge for PayPal orders only, or for all payment > > types? According to PayPal's rules, that's a violation of their TOS > > agreement. > > > > chris > > > > > - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
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Which is the violation 1) the surcharge on PayPal or 2) charging it on all payment types? I only do it for PayPal anyway. Lots of sellers add 5% for PayPal. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!" - Original Message - From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote: > > > In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a > > handling charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to sell > > I'll just drop eBay and PayPal completely. > > Do you charge that surcharge for PayPal orders only, or for all payment > types? According to PayPal's rules, that's a violation of their TOS > agreement. > > chris > >
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote: > In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a > handling charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to sell > I'll just drop eBay and PayPal completely. Do you charge that surcharge for PayPal orders only, or for all payment types? According to PayPal's rules, that's a violation of their TOS agreement. chris
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Yesterday I received a payment of 591 â via PayPal -- it was made directly from the buyer's PayPal balance into mine. I was credited 563 â ! No Bank in the world would take that much for moving money from one account into another in the same bank. I think its a bloody disgrace -- PayPal stinks. Unfortunately so many people use the service that not to do so is putting yourself at a severe disadvantage. In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a handling charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to sell I'll just drop eBay and PayPal completely. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!" - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy > On 26/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >> >http://paypalsucks.com/ > >> > >> This is why I buy items using Paypal, but will not accept Paypal if I am > >> a seller. In my experience, I have not lost any of my sales due to this > >> policy - people who don't want to buy from me never bid, and so I will > >> never know. > >> > >> Paypal is incredibly easy to use as a buyer. I wouldn't dare use it as a > >> seller. > >> > >> .02 > > > >Paypal is incredibly easy to use as a seller - I wouldn't use it as a buyer > >;) > > > >Cheers back, > >annsan the brave > > I am now considering ditching it altogether. I'm spending too much money > on auctions > > Seriously. > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps > _ > Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk >
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Cotty wrote: > I am now considering ditching it altogether. I'm spending too much money > on auctions > > Seriously. Ditching PayPal will make no difference. I don't ever use it and still spend shedloads (by my standards). Kostas
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On 26/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >> >http://paypalsucks.com/ >> >> This is why I buy items using Paypal, but will not accept Paypal if I am >> a seller. In my experience, I have not lost any of my sales due to this >> policy - people who don't want to buy from me never bid, and so I will >> never know. >> >> Paypal is incredibly easy to use as a buyer. I wouldn't dare use it as a >> seller. >> >> .02 > >Paypal is incredibly easy to use as a seller - I wouldn't use it as a buyer >;) > >Cheers back, >annsan the brave I am now considering ditching it altogether. I'm spending too much money on auctions Seriously. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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On 26/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Just as an FYI: > >http://paypalsucks.com/ This is why I buy items using Paypal, but will not accept Paypal if I am a seller. In my experience, I have not lost any of my sales due to this policy - people who don't want to buy from me never bid, and so I will never know. Paypal is incredibly easy to use as a buyer. I wouldn't dare use it as a seller. .02 Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Just as an FYI: http://paypalsucks.com/ -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.thomasvanveen.com 301-758-3085
