Re: Super Program counter
Just tested this with an empty SP. Film counter does advance when the camera is empty. The little window just below the advance lever doesn't move, but the shot number on the top plate does change. John Francis wrote: Hi, I just got a used Super Program. With the back closed and no film, I took a few shots and wind the camera. The film counter did not advance. As a result, the shutter stays at 1/1000 second. I know the shutter stays at 1/1000 second until the counter reaches 1. Is it easy to fix the film counter problem? Please advise. Thanks. Real easy - just put film in the camera. (Seriously - that's all you need to do. The frame counter only advances when there's film in the camera).
RE: Super Program counter
Hi Richard, The film counter on the Super Program/A should count up even without film loaded. The camera is too old to have the No film/No count safety feature. In my experience the most common problem is a tiny spring that comes loose inside. The next most common is the reset tab on the film door not aligning with the slot in the body. If it's the tab the counter will not move at all when you wind. If it's the spring you will see the counter try to move to the next position and then fall back to the red dot. The tab problem is easy to fix, just bend the tab till it works properly. The fix for the more common spring problem (I knock this spring off almost every time I work on a Super P/ME/ME Super) I'm afraid I can't describe very well via e-mail. It's easy to fix, just not easy to find! The hardest part is removing the rubber cap on the advance lever without damaging it, it's glued on. This cap has to come off to remove the top cover. This spring is also used for the reset to zero function when the film door is opened. If your handy and mechanically inclined you'll be able to figure it out. I'll help via e-mail if I can. 4 hints: TIGHTEN all screws a bit before you remove them, it helps break them free. The retaining nut on the advance lever is a LEFT HAND THREAD (CLOCKWISE to remove). DON'T remove the whole counter assembly, you don't need to and it's a giant PITA to replace. The spring you are looking for is a wrap (torsion) type spring, not the usual coiled tension or compression type. Don -Original Message- From: Richard Chu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Super Program counter Hi, I just got a used Super Program. With the back closed and no film, I took a few shots and wind the camera. The film counter did not advance. As a result, the shutter stays at 1/1000 second. I know the shutter stays at 1/1000 second until the counter reaches 1. Is it easy to fix the film counter problem? Please advise. Thanks. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
RE: Super Program counter
2 more quick things: I have one of these I need to take apart this weekend to glue the illuminator window back in, perhaps I can take some pics of the spring. Alan Chan (I think it's Alan) may have some other thoughts, sounds like he's worked on more Pentax's than I have. Don -Original Message- From: Richard Chu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Super Program counter Hi, I just got a used Super Program. With the back closed and no film, I took a few shots and wind the camera. The film counter did not advance. As a result, the shutter stays at 1/1000 second. I know the shutter stays at 1/1000 second until the counter reaches 1. Is it easy to fix the film counter problem? Please advise. Thanks. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: Super Program counter
I had a similar problem, I just found out when I close my refrigerator door, the light goes out. Any way to fix this? Norm Richard Chu wrote: Hi, I just got a used Super Program. With the back closed and no film, I took a few shots and wind the camera. The film counter did not advance. As a result, the shutter stays at 1/1000 second. I know the shutter stays at 1/1000 second until the counter reaches 1. Is it easy to fix the film counter problem? Please advise. Thanks.
Re: Super Program counter
- Original Message - From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Super Program counter I had a similar problem, I just found out when I close my refrigerator door, the light goes out. Any way to fix this? We just bought a new fridge. William Robb
Re: Super Program counter
On 10 Aug 2004 at 0:20, John Francis wrote: Real easy - just put film in the camera. (Seriously - that's all you need to do. The frame counter only advances when there's film in the camera). This is not the case John, I've experienced the same problem on at least two SuperA/Super Program bodies, I even cited it as one of their common failings a few months back. The local Pentax distributors will not repair cameras exhibiting this problem any longer. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: Super Program counter
On 10 Aug 2004 at 7:12, Don Sanderson wrote: 2 more quick things: I have one of these I need to take apart this weekend to glue the illuminator window back in, perhaps I can take some pics of the spring. Alan Chan (I think it's Alan) may have some other thoughts, sounds like he's worked on more Pentax's than I have. I'd be interested to see some pics and a little procedural detail :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Super Program counter
That is a feature, Norm. Especially if you have some chicken in the fridge. Everybody knows how chickens get all excited in the light and quiet right down in the dark. By turning off the light when you close the door it keeps any chicken in there from disturbing the other leftovers. -- Norm Baugher wrote: I had a similar problem, I just found out when I close my refrigerator door, the light goes out. Any way to fix this? Norm -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Super Program counter
I'd check but I think your's will exhibit the same behavior. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Super Program counter I had a similar problem, I just found out when I close my refrigerator door, the light goes out. Any way to fix this? We just bought a new fridge. William Robb
Re: Super Program counter
Prop a match book between the door and fridge - that should keep the light on. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Super Program counter I had a similar problem, I just found out when I close my refrigerator door, the light goes out. Any way to fix this? Norm Richard Chu wrote: Hi, I just got a used Super Program. With the back closed and no film, I took a few shots and wind the camera. The film counter did not advance. As a result, the shutter stays at 1/1000 second. I know the shutter stays at 1/1000 second until the counter reaches 1. Is it easy to fix the film counter problem? Please advise. Thanks. PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: Super Program counter
On 10 Aug 2004 at 0:20, John Francis wrote: Real easy - just put film in the camera. (Seriously - that's all you need to do. The frame counter only advances when there's film in the camera). This is not the case John, I've experienced the same problem on at least two SuperA/Super Program bodies, I even cited it as one of their common failings a few months back. The local Pentax distributors will not repair cameras exhibiting this problem any longer. I stand corrected. I could have sworn that the frame counter was driven by a passive film roller, but apparently that's not the case; that only drives the funny little red/black wobble window display.
Re: Super Program counter
- Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling Subject: Re: Super Program counter I'd check but I think your's will exhibit the same behavior. I was hoping the new one would work better. WW
Re: Super Program counter
- Original Message - From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Super Program counter Thanks Kenneth, I'll give it a try. Something I discovered: If you unscrew the bulb a couple of turns then it doesn't come on at all, and then I don't have to be curious about whether it shuts off. Of course, I could be reversing the operation, and now it does come on when the door is shut. I hate appliances. WW William Robb Kenneth Waller wrote: Prop a match book between the door and fridge - that should keep the light on.
RE: Super Program counter
In my experience the most common problem is a tiny spring that comes loose inside. Or the film counter spring simply broke. The hardest part is removing the rubber cap on the advance lever without damaging it, it's glued on.This cap has to come off to remove the top cover. Actually you don't need to remove the rubber cap when trying to remove the plastic lever. Just push it a little forward will do. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out!
RE: Super Program counter
I have one of these I need to take apart this weekend to glue the illuminator window back in, perhaps I can take some pics of the spring. Could it be this one? http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/spring.jpg Alan Chan (I think it's Alan) may have some other thoughts, sounds like he's worked on more Pentax's than I have. Unfortunately I have not come accross any faulty Super Program so I have never repaired that part of the camera. Counter spring (pic above) is the only thing come to mind. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Re: Super Program counter
Thus spake William Robb: Something I discovered: If you unscrew the bulb a couple of turns then it doesn't come on at all, and then I don't have to be curious about whether it shuts off. I can sell you a special bulb that works this way even if it is screwed all the way into the socket. I've got one like that in my fridge right now, as a matter of fact. Of course, I could be reversing the operation, and now it does come on when the door is shut. I hate appliances. WW Anyone remember the old Infocom games? In one of the later games there was a refrigerator in a grue's house. The light, of course, went out when you opened the refrigerator door.
RE: Super Program counter
Well I'll be darned. I just tried that on the Super A and the plastic came right off! This is the FIRST one that somebody hadn't put so much glue on that you could do that. Every other one I've had the rubber was VERY firmly glued to the brass nut! Thanks Alan! Don -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Super Program counter In my experience the most common problem is a tiny spring that comes loose inside. Or the film counter spring simply broke. The hardest part is removing the rubber cap on the advance lever without damaging it, it's glued on.This cap has to come off to remove the top cover. Actually you don't need to remove the rubber cap when trying to remove the plastic lever. Just push it a little forward will do. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out!
RE: Super Program counter
Quite possible those were serviced because the rubber cap should be glued onto the plastic lever first, let dried, then assembled to the camera. It's not your fault though!!g I have found many used Pentax cameras were ruined simply because some technicans used their own way to fix them. The most common is the missing/mixing washers (they actually have at least 4 different thickness, could be even more) between the body front lens assembly. This shortens the lens to film plane distance, and renders the wide angle distance scale useless. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Well I'll be darned. I just tried that on the Super A and the plastic came right off! This is the FIRST one that somebody hadn't put so much glue on that you could do that. Every other one I've had the rubber was VERY firmly glued to the brass nut! Thanks Alan! Don _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
RE: Super Program counter
Actually I'm thinking of the much smaller one that works the little anti-reverse pawl associated with the reset lever. The reset lever is de-actuated by the tab on the film door. I'll get one apart and see if I can get a pic. I believe the one you pictured is used to reset the counter to 0. Here is the spring I'm referring to, but this is on an ME Super, the SP may be different: http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/spring.jpg it's the one the pencil point is laying on. Don -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Super Program counter I have one of these I need to take apart this weekend to glue the illuminator window back in, perhaps I can take some pics of the spring. Could it be this one? http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/spring.jpg Alan Chan (I think it's Alan) may have some other thoughts, sounds like he's worked on more Pentax's than I have. Unfortunately I have not come accross any faulty Super Program so I have never repaired that part of the camera. Counter spring (pic above) is the only thing come to mind. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1 034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
RE: Super Program counter
Actually I'm thinking of the much smaller one that works the little anti-reverse pawl associated with the reset lever. The reset lever is de-actuated by the tab on the film door. I'll get one apart and see if I can get a pic. I believe the one you pictured is used to reset the counter to 0. Here is the spring I'm referring to, but this is on an ME Super, the SP may be different: http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/spring.jpg it's the one the pencil point is laying on. Don -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Super Program counter I have one of these I need to take apart this weekend to glue the illuminator window back in, perhaps I can take some pics of the spring. Could it be this one? http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/spring.jpg Alan Chan (I think it's Alan) may have some other thoughts, sounds like he's worked on more Pentax's than I have. Unfortunately I have not come accross any faulty Super Program so I have never repaired that part of the camera. Counter spring (pic above) is the only thing come to mind. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1 034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
RE: Super Program counter
Of course. It is a common design on many Pentax cameras. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Actually I'm thinking of the much smaller one that works the little anti-reverse pawl associated with the reset lever. The reset lever is de-actuated by the tab on the film door. I'll get one apart and see if I can get a pic. I believe the one you pictured is used to reset the counter to 0. Here is the spring I'm referring to, but this is on an ME Super, the SP may be different: http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/spring.jpg it's the one the pencil point is laying on. Don _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Re: Super Program counter
Hi, I just got a used Super Program. With the back closed and no film, I took a few shots and wind the camera. The film counter did not advance. As a result, the shutter stays at 1/1000 second. I know the shutter stays at 1/1000 second until the counter reaches 1. Is it easy to fix the film counter problem? Please advise. Thanks. Real easy - just put film in the camera. (Seriously - that's all you need to do. The frame counter only advances when there's film in the camera).
