Re: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography
Hi guys There are a number of great cameras and lenses out there. I have been working professionally with my K20D and K10D for so,me time now. No problem. Of course the are things I can't do with them. Like shooting 8 fps. or shoot images that require VERY fast AF. But most of the time this is not the issue. Some lense manufactureres make lenses that can't be bought with a Pentax mount. That is a bit annoying. But in fact I CAN get a nice lense selection for Pentax, even a great lense for panoramas, like the Pentax/Tokina 10-17mm f. 3.5.-4.5, wich can be understood be the panoramic software. As I said many times before: No customer ever asked me about my equipment. They are just interested in the pictures. So am I, really :-) And the paycheck, naturally. Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Apr 20, 2009 19:25 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: I understand your point fairly well. I decided to work as photographer some time ago. Got the same comments from everywhere, since I was using a Pentax LX and no professional would use Pentax because those cameras weren´t up to Nikon, Canon, Minolta... Stubborn, I pushed and got some acceptance - and won some bets too. Then I needed some 120 format camera, and of course, I needed a Hasselblad... since the Pentax 67 was such a poor camera and the lenses were no good... One day I got really fed up, and cut my 67 slides a little more, placed them in 66 mounts and told one of the smart guys I had just bought a Hasselblad, and how did he like my photos? Smart guy congratulates me on my new gear, loves my photos, wich show an impressive evolution, not only because the Hassy was better, but also because I was able to control my photos better. After I get him to praise the shots in the next public meeting I just pull out the mount and tell him to get eyes checked. Won´t talk to me to this day, more than 20 years later... I did add some Canon FD gear later (a full set for a very good price and came with the selective metering Pentax wouldn´t offer then), found me a good-working 500 C/M (polaroid,645 and 66 backs, more leaf shutter lenses), bought a Sinar (4x5 and full moves, even if I used it more often with the 67 back), and for a time had a set of tools almost perfectly matched to the jobs at hand. While I became able to get more photos done, my photos didn't improve due to gear change... they actually suffered for a while, until I got to control the new gear as I handled the oldies. Time lag on the F1n alone made me return to the LX to grab some of those moments. Then all pro photo in Fortaleza was done in 120 format, so I sold the FD gear and returned to Pentax. Then the new trend would be Digital, and of course I needed Canon or Mamiya(!) or some costly adapter that would expose the colors in three different exposures, and one day I lose one specific project that was in the sixth month of development because... I was working with obsolete slide film, and some local guy deported from somewhere in the world for working without permit had just arrived with the perfect tool, capable of instant review, so he would continuously adjust the photos to the client interest... some brand new Nikon pro camera, under 6 mp... not the obsolete Hasselblad. Unless you would like the other aspects of the profession, you may end up enjoying your photos more as amateur. Not that I doubt you ARE capable of working - at the photographic level your photos would allow you to work anywhere you want. But the smart persons you´ll work for and the proper profee tool set are part of the deal. Even if you make your way with the Amateur-oriented Pentax. LF LF Timbah! escreveu: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) Also my equipment really lacks many things to become a professional. All the shots with Dovile was made with the FA 50 f1.4 and I had some bad experience with the focusing speed and accuracy of the K20D. It also made me think about Pentax and Professional Photography. Pentax is the very best amateur level camera and so far I know they always were in the 35mm market. The Pentax K20D is a fantastic camera, but it has some serious downs. The AF is really a pain in the rear sometimes, not to mention the focus feedback with MF lenses. For Nature it's very good since you have time, but for sport and fashion it's kinda weak. I did 'journalist' photographies with a 40 years old Carl Zeiss lens (f4/300) and it was way better than the other guy with a Canon EOS 40D + 70-200 f4 L (said the editor :P), but I often feel the need of something quicker. I did live
Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography
Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: But hey, if somebody wants to pay me $1 million to hang around superstars You sell yourself rather cheaply.. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/4/27 William Robb war...@gmail.com: That would be a very lucky person, like the very rare person who has managed to build enough of a cult of personality that they can pretty much do whatever they like, and people will buy from them becuase of who they are, not what they are doing. William Robb [cough]Annie Leibovitz[cough] Disclaimer: I liked Annie's work back when I was a young lad in the late 80's and had NO idea what photography was, just that one day I would like to be a photographer (by which I just mean make pictures, not necessarily be a pro). At some point, Annie started living off her fame and stopped doing stuff only SHE could do. When I see her work on Vanity Fair right now, or the myriad ad campaigns she's shot for, I see nothing that some other photographer couldn't have accomplished. I feel like she was paid just so the client could say Annie shot it for us. Plus, there is so much Photoshop manipulation (not that there's anything wrong with that in an ad campaign) that whatever residual of Annie's magic may have remained in the frames was smudge tool'd out. But hey, if somebody wants to pay me $1 million to hang around superstars and press the shutter release when the Art director tells me to, I'll do it. Of course, Annie could have principles and say 'no'. She could also live on the street and work weekends at Target. I think she did what she had to do, which is what all of us would have done in her place. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://enticingthelight.wordpress.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Miserere Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography Disclaimer: I liked Annie's work back when I was a young lad in the late 80's and had NO idea what photography was, just that one day I would like to be a photographer (by which I just mean make pictures, not necessarily be a pro). At some point, Annie started living off her fame and stopped doing stuff only SHE could do. When I see her work on Vanity Fair right now, or the myriad ad campaigns she's shot for, I see nothing that some other photographer couldn't have accomplished. I feel like she was paid just so the client could say Annie shot it for us. Plus, there is so much Photoshop manipulation (not that there's anything wrong with that in an ad campaign) that whatever residual of Annie's magic may have remained in the frames was smudge tool'd out. But hey, if somebody wants to pay me $1 million to hang around superstars and press the shutter release when the Art director tells me to, I'll do it. Of course, Annie could have principles and say 'no'. She could also live on the street and work weekends at Target. I think she did what she had to do, which is what all of us would have done in her place. It looks like she's had to sell the copyrights to just about her entire body of work to pay of debts, she may end up at Target yet. Do they have portrait studios? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/4805404/Annie-Leibovitz-pawns-copyright-to-lifes-work-to-pay-debts.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It looks like she's had to sell the copyrights to just about her entire body of work to pay of debts, she may end up at Target yet. Do they have portrait studios? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcris is/4805404/Annie-Leibovitz-pawns-copyright-to-lifes-work-to-pa y-debts.html William Robb Jeez. How do supposedly smart people get themselves into such stupid positions? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Luiz Felipe Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography Yes, I ramble - this IS old age. the point is, the moment I assume to get paid for some job I also assume the fine print (if any). The guy who wants me to provide some photo with all rights and full contents of the camera at the end of the session is just paying me an extra. No, I'm not touching the legal or moral content of the session. No, I don't get that kind of deal often and I simply won't sell off my projects like that. But I have no interest of being known as the guy who took some so-so product photo because the client wanted and paid for exactly that photo. I'm paid for those photos, but I don't take them as art. Just the job at hand. This is what professional photography is about. The studio owner where I hang out puts it this way: A professional takes pictures of what he is paid to take pictures of, an amateur takes pictures of what he wants to take pictures of, and generally, there is little cross talk between the two. William Robb What I'm looking for is a professional gig to support my amateur gig. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Aguila wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Dont forget that pro photographers can only do whats economically feasable, some advanced amateurs have no such limitations. They can reshoot somethiing a dozen times if desired to get it absolutely perfect. A pro usually can't. He has to use all his skill and knowledge to get something as good as possible in the time alotted, and be acceptable to client, but in some cases an amateur can take it to another level because there are no monetary or time limitations involved. Another very interesting post. I'd never thought of it that way, JCO... I agree! Cheers, Christine So is someone who shoots only what they wish and manages to sell their art photography and survive on it a pro? or a lucky amateur? Anyone shooting on assignment within a specific time and place frame, be he/she someone who lives only by the income from those things or does them occasionally to help feed the kitty or as a favor is in the same bind. The worst of all possible binds being weddings, of course! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: ann sanfedele Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography So is someone who shoots only what they wish and manages to sell their art photography and survive on it a pro? or a lucky amateur? That would be a very lucky person, like the very rare person who has managed to build enough of a cult of personality that they can pretty much do whatever they like, and people will buy from them becuase of who they are, not what they are doing. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ann, my personal definition is being paid on a regular basis, not once or twice a year. A well defined part of the regular income should come from photography. If not every month, still more often than twice a year. Being paid by one's online or physical gallerie, stock photo use, tornado chasing or celebrity stalking, whatever. Being paid by own projects published, by precomposed photos or work for hire - no matter. Just the somewhat constant trickle - or wide flow - of cash. Sometime ago there were jobs so outrageously profitable that I had little worries about bridging the time between them. That allowed for a side as IT person and travel adviser. AND lots of travels... LF ann sanfedele escreveu: Christine Aguila wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Dont forget that pro photographers can only do whats economically feasable, some advanced amateurs have no such limitations. They can reshoot somethiing a dozen times if desired to get it absolutely perfect. A pro usually can't. He has to use all his skill and knowledge to get something as good as possible in the time alotted, and be acceptable to client, but in some cases an amateur can take it to another level because there are no monetary or time limitations involved. Another very interesting post. I'd never thought of it that way, JCO... I agree! Cheers, Christine So is someone who shoots only what they wish and manages to sell their art photography and survive on it a pro? or a lucky amateur? Anyone shooting on assignment within a specific time and place frame, be he/she someone who lives only by the income from those things or does them occasionally to help feed the kitty or as a favor is in the same bind. The worst of all possible binds being weddings, of course! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rick, I agree to a point. My very first job was teaching very basic math and physics part time, private support tutoring - just as I entered the university. Met lots of students, some eager to learn, some uninterested to the point of asking my name again for weeks. Of course I was paid, of course I did my very best - not enough for some, unfortunately. Soon after I got me a Pentax KM, and two years later I was starting to make money with photography, again part time since I still was in the university. Shooting family reunions, portraits, artesanal wooden furniture, refrigerated food expositories, social events... Again, paid for and giving my very best. Shortening these years, I did antennae building and maintenance, all bands to UHF, started fixing computers from loose and budget parts, designed and built a couple of mirror rooms, taught basic photography to young models - the very basic facts they should understand to become more than robots in a studio or location, then gave more advanced lessons to some interested in getting more of their cameras, started two travel agencies, one Disney-oriented and the second a full scale job with a strong offer of (then) radical sports all over the place. Too many things, since I'm restless and BR is still in the making. Here in the desert we get some challenges. No, I didn't quit photography at all, and did from fashion to product, and gave my very best to each and every click - including some photos of BR military-politicians whom I'd like very much to shoot with other devices instead. The non-violent road is not easy to follow... All the things I did for living so far are things I learned to do well, mostly because I love doing them. I get money from those things because I do most of them very well indeed, not the other way around. I am first and foremost a photographer, a professional for some time, and my pain with the jobs usually was stopping before the click was GREAT because we had deadlines, tight budgets, poor material, low end models, shabby locations... and the results WOULD NOT mirror my best. And for the record, I hated presenting the lousy results with a straight face - probably I'm remembered as the grumpiest of the photographers around here. To this day, I just can't understand why anyone would do less than his/ hers best in any kind of performance. When I built a canoe, the result was very far from a pro job, but my best anyway. The mods I made in my cars when I was young were the best I could - almost but not quite comercial grade. Never built an antenna with poor material, my measures and handcraft precise - comercial grade by BR 80's standarts, cash earned. Never stopped trying to expand my diving time - achieving a proper control of my breathing. I paddle for fun, cheap kayak and canoe, but my shabby gear gets the best maintenance I'm able. Including replacing the kayak handles with ones easier on my hands - and of course they're well made and properly fitted. I wouldn't sell hand-made kayak handles - my best is not commercial grade. I sell photographic images. Right now, I only sell those I consider proper and fit to sale. Assuming you ask me to photograph/ teach physics/ build an antenna/ repair or build you a computer/ book and prepare your trip/ tune your 1911 Colt or your Taurus 5-shooter/ change a flat tire/ talk about cause and effect to a small group/ write a piece on science fiction through the last 40 years/ burn food/ build a canoe, you get my very best effort. But I wouldn't even think of charge if it's not comercial grade. Liking you or not is not part of the issue. LF Rick Womer escreveu: I am not a professional photographer, and I am not a professional choral singer (I am an enthusiastic amateur at both). I =am= a professional physician. Professional photographers and professional choral singers make the best of whatever situation they encounter. Crappy light, bickering families at a wedding, a lousy choir they're helping out as a ringer--they put it aside and turn in a good performance. Similarly, I encounter occasional families I don't like, and =lots= of situations I don't like, but I put my feelings aside and do the best I can. +That+ is what being a professional is about. It is not just a question of doing what you're paid for; it's a question of turning in your best even when everything sucks. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 4/24/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: This is what professional photography is about. The studio owner where I hang out puts it this way: A professional takes pictures of what he is paid to take pictures of, an amateur takes pictures of what he wants to take pictures of, and generally, there is little cross talk between the two. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link
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Was asked, one time, four years ago or something, to provide the RAW files for the actual printing. The client hired the crew on independent basis, so I never met the ones responsible for the rest of the job. All I did was take the photos, deliver the proofs so they could select, then deliver the raw files of the selected images. I accepted simply because the photos had no interest for me other than get paid - I worked under a very strict guideline, the subject was no good, the client received my comments with a polite thanks but that's what I want precisely, paid a fair surcharge so I would release the copyright and agree to look at the finished product as if it was completely unknown to me - and soon after full payment I received (his idea) yet another bonus to destroy any files left (wich I did). They did call some weeks later, since a very close copy of their product was being marketed by someone, and they needed assurance I had nothing to do with the fact - simple to prove since I never retained the sample and the photos had the artifacts to prove the competitors just scanned the original folders and did some PS. Yes, I ramble - this IS old age. the point is, the moment I assume to get paid for some job I also assume the fine print (if any). The guy who wants me to provide some photo with all rights and full contents of the camera at the end of the session is just paying me an extra. No, I'm not touching the legal or moral content of the session. No, I don't get that kind of deal often and I simply won't sell off my projects like that. But I have no interest of being known as the guy who took some so-so product photo because the client wanted and paid for exactly that photo. I'm paid for those photos, but I don't take them as art. Just the job at hand. LF pnstenqu...@comcast.net escreveu: - John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Timbah! Subject: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) I take it that agencies no longer care about the quality of the photographs so much as some of the less than important aspects of the technology of taking them? William Robb Most of 'em never did. I've been told they don't care what kind of camera I use, as long as I provide the images in either Nikon or Canon RAW format. The biggest advantage of shooting Cakon is third party support. Plus, if you don't have exactly the lens you need, you can rent it just about anywhere. The availability of rental equipment is an obvious plus for Canon and Nikon shooters. But in regard to providing RAW files in those formats, that's a non-issue. I work for a lot of different pubs, agencies, stock houses and other clients, and no one has ever requested RAW files. If they did, I'd tell them no. Controlling the transition from RAW to tiff is part of the photographer's job, his signature if you will. I would never turn over the coarse data that is a RAW file. And I know of no working pro who would. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I work for a lot of different pubs, agencies, stock houses and other clients, and no one has ever requested RAW files. If they did, I'd tell them no. I'd tell them NO loudly. (Though I can't imagine any professional being dumb enough to ask the photographer for his raw files, unless possibly, it was a work for hire situation.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Luiz Felipe Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography Yes, I ramble - this IS old age. the point is, the moment I assume to get paid for some job I also assume the fine print (if any). The guy who wants me to provide some photo with all rights and full contents of the camera at the end of the session is just paying me an extra. No, I'm not touching the legal or moral content of the session. No, I don't get that kind of deal often and I simply won't sell off my projects like that. But I have no interest of being known as the guy who took some so-so product photo because the client wanted and paid for exactly that photo. I'm paid for those photos, but I don't take them as art. Just the job at hand. This is what professional photography is about. The studio owner where I hang out puts it this way: A professional takes pictures of what he is paid to take pictures of, an amateur takes pictures of what he wants to take pictures of, and generally, there is little cross talk between the two. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography I'd tell them NO loudly. (Though I can't imagine any professional being dumb enough to ask the photographer for his raw files, unless possibly, it was a work for hire situation.) Even then, I suspect there is enough arrogance in the community to put up a fuss. OTOH, this is probably where photoshopdisasters.com gets most of their source material. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry, but somehow I failed to state clearly two points... I don't take each and every photo I'm asked to, but I do accept strict guidelines to work under, as long as I get paid for and there is no legal or moral issue with the photo - was asked more than once to copy someone's work (I don't) and to place some face over a photo (I don't). Other than that, never got to refuse anything that would be illegal - being known as a square I never had the chance. :-) LF Luiz Felipe escreveu: Was asked, one time, four years ago or something, to provide the RAW files for the actual printing. The client hired the crew on independent basis, so I never met the ones responsible for the rest of the job. All I did was take the photos, deliver the proofs so they could select, then deliver the raw files of the selected images. I accepted simply because the photos had no interest for me other than get paid - I worked under a very strict guideline, the subject was no good, the client received my comments with a polite thanks but that's what I want precisely, paid a fair surcharge so I would release the copyright and agree to look at the finished product as if it was completely unknown to me - and soon after full payment I received (his idea) yet another bonus to destroy any files left (wich I did). They did call some weeks later, since a very close copy of their product was being marketed by someone, and they needed assurance I had nothing to do with the fact - simple to prove since I never retained the sample and the photos had the artifacts to prove the competitors just scanned the original folders and did some PS. Yes, I ramble - this IS old age. the point is, the moment I assume to get paid for some job I also assume the fine print (if any). The guy who wants me to provide some photo with all rights and full contents of the camera at the end of the session is just paying me an extra. No, I'm not touching the legal or moral content of the session. No, I don't get that kind of deal often and I simply won't sell off my projects like that. But I have no interest of being known as the guy who took some so-so product photo because the client wanted and paid for exactly that photo. I'm paid for those photos, but I don't take them as art. Just the job at hand. LF pnstenqu...@comcast.net escreveu: - John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Timbah! Subject: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) I take it that agencies no longer care about the quality of the photographs so much as some of the less than important aspects of the technology of taking them? William Robb Most of 'em never did. I've been told they don't care what kind of camera I use, as long as I provide the images in either Nikon or Canon RAW format. The biggest advantage of shooting Cakon is third party support. Plus, if you don't have exactly the lens you need, you can rent it just about anywhere. The availability of rental equipment is an obvious plus for Canon and Nikon shooters. But in regard to providing RAW files in those formats, that's a non-issue. I work for a lot of different pubs, agencies, stock houses and other clients, and no one has ever requested RAW files. If they did, I'd tell them no. Controlling the transition from RAW to tiff is part of the photographer's job, his signature if you will. I would never turn over the coarse data that is a RAW file. And I know of no working pro who would. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I get some jobs like that, but they always request jpegs. No RAW requests yet in five years of shooting digital. Paul On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Luiz Felipe wrote: Was asked, one time, four years ago or something, to provide the RAW files for the actual printing. The client hired the crew on independent basis, so I never met the ones responsible for the rest of the job. All I did was take the photos, deliver the proofs so they could select, then deliver the raw files of the selected images. I accepted simply because the photos had no interest for me other than get paid - I worked under a very strict guideline, the subject was no good, the client received my comments with a polite thanks but that's what I want precisely, paid a fair surcharge so I would release the copyright and agree to look at the finished product as if it was completely unknown to me - and soon after full payment I received (his idea) yet another bonus to destroy any files left (wich I did). They did call some weeks later, since a very close copy of their product was being marketed by someone, and they needed assurance I had nothing to do with the fact - simple to prove since I never retained the sample and the photos had the artifacts to prove the competitors just scanned the original folders and did some PS. Yes, I ramble - this IS old age. the point is, the moment I assume to get paid for some job I also assume the fine print (if any). The guy who wants me to provide some photo with all rights and full contents of the camera at the end of the session is just paying me an extra. No, I'm not touching the legal or moral content of the session. No, I don't get that kind of deal often and I simply won't sell off my projects like that. But I have no interest of being known as the guy who took some so-so product photo because the client wanted and paid for exactly that photo. I'm paid for those photos, but I don't take them as art. Just the job at hand. LF pnstenqu...@comcast.net escreveu: - John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Timbah! Subject: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) I take it that agencies no longer care about the quality of the photographs so much as some of the less than important aspects of the technology of taking them? William Robb Most of 'em never did. I've been told they don't care what kind of camera I use, as long as I provide the images in either Nikon or Canon RAW format. The biggest advantage of shooting Cakon is third party support. Plus, if you don't have exactly the lens you need, you can rent it just about anywhere. The availability of rental equipment is an obvious plus for Canon and Nikon shooters. But in regard to providing RAW files in those formats, that's a non-issue. I work for a lot of different pubs, agencies, stock houses and other clients, and no one has ever requested RAW files. If they did, I'd tell them no. Controlling the transition from RAW to tiff is part of the photographer's job, his signature if you will. I would never turn over the coarse data that is a RAW file. And I know of no working pro who would. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:18 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography You can actually save a JPEG or TIFF to Nikon's NEF RAW format if you have a copy of CaptureNX. Unfortunately nothing other than CaptureNX will be able to read it properly. On that thought, I heard a rumour that a next generation NEF file will use encryption to make it hard for third party vendors like Adobe. Is there any truth to this? William Robb Yes and no. It already happened. But it was WB info and some proprietary metadata nobody actually cares about. There was a massive internet snit and Nikon released the SDK info allowing decryption. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well said, properly posted. -99% of my photos as professional since 1979 fall into work. -14% or so I remember gladly, on photographic basis. Yes, there were lots of good moments that I remember as well. -less then 5% I feel like presenting today - and nearly all of those include models' shared image rights. Yes, those pics I felt like trying, the ideas of mine that I actually worked out and managed to get in shape and grab as presentable images score under 1% of my pro photos - the ones I got paid for. Call me a material guy - but at some point I almost quit photography as a whole. Between smart guys and reading circles and photo clubs, I almost gave up. Cash and ideals don't always walk hand in hand. And being a good photographer is part - but just part - of being a professional photographer. LF William Robb escreveu: ... This is what professional photography is about. The studio owner where I hang out puts it this way: A professional takes pictures of what he is paid to take pictures of, an amateur takes pictures of what he wants to take pictures of, and generally, there is little cross talk between the two. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good posts, Luiz! Ate, --M. 2009/4/24 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br: Well said, properly posted. -99% of my photos as professional since 1979 fall into work. -14% or so I remember gladly, on photographic basis. Yes, there were lots of good moments that I remember as well. -less then 5% I feel like presenting today - and nearly all of those include models' shared image rights. Yes, those pics I felt like trying, the ideas of mine that I actually worked out and managed to get in shape and grab as presentable images score under 1% of my pro photos - the ones I got paid for. Call me a material guy - but at some point I almost quit photography as a whole. Between smart guys and reading circles and photo clubs, I almost gave up. Cash and ideals don't always walk hand in hand. And being a good photographer is part - but just part - of being a professional photographer. LF William Robb escreveu: ... This is what professional photography is about. The studio owner where I hang out puts it this way: A professional takes pictures of what he is paid to take pictures of, an amateur takes pictures of what he wants to take pictures of, and generally, there is little cross talk between the two. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://enticingthelight.wordpress.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christian wrote: being a good photographer is part - but just part - of being a professional photographer. LF MARK Ah yes, a good one! Here's one from 2005: In many ways professional photography is only tangentially about actual photography. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually not mine, but from a late good friend and photography teacher - Francisco Albuquerque. He mastered all the aspects of being a professional. LF Mark Roberts escreveu: Christian wrote: being a good photographer is part - but just part - of being a professional photographer. LF MARK Ah yes, a good one! Here's one from 2005: In many ways professional photography is only tangentially about actual photography. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/4/24 William Robb war...@gmail.com: The other side of this is if you are very good at marketing yourself, and can build a cult of personality around your name, it almost doesn't matter how bad a photogrpaher you are. [cough]Annie Leibovitz[cough] --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://enticingthelight.wordpress.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Annie Leibovitz is a really good photographer. Some of her stuff is shit, admittedly, but it's very accomplished shit ... snip MARK! OH MARK!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Annie Leibovitz is a really good photographer. Some of her stuff is shit, admittedly, but it's very accomplished shit ... snip MARK! OH MARK!! cheers, frank more to the point is this one: none of us are in the same league, shitwise -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I am not a professional photographer, and I am not a professional choral singer (I am an enthusiastic amateur at both). I =am= a professional physician. Professional photographers and professional choral singers make the best of whatever situation they encounter. Crappy light, bickering families at a wedding, a lousy choir they're helping out as a ringer--they put it aside and turn in a good performance. Similarly, I encounter occasional families I don't like, and =lots= of situations I don't like, but I put my feelings aside and do the best I can. +That+ is what being a professional is about. It is not just a question of doing what you're paid for; it's a question of turning in your best even when everything sucks. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 4/24/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: This is what professional photography is about. The studio owner where I hang out puts it this way: A professional takes pictures of what he is paid to take pictures of, an amateur takes pictures of what he wants to take pictures of, and generally, there is little cross talk between the two. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24/4/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: The other side of this is if you are very good at marketing yourself, and can build a cult of personality around your name, it almost doesn't matter how bad a photogrpaher you are. K.. R... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The other side of this is if you are very good at marketing yourself, and can build a cult of personality around your name, it almost doesn't matter how bad a photogrpaher you are. [cough]Annie Leibovitz[cough] Annie Leibovitz is a really good photographer. Some of her stuff is shit, admittedly, but it's very accomplished shit and none of us are in the same league, shitwise, or even remotely close to being as good as she is at her best. When she keeps it simple she is superb. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I am not a professional photographer, and I am not a professional choral singer (I am an enthusiastic amateur at both). I =am= a professional physician. Professional photographers and professional choral singers make the best of whatever situation they encounter. Crappy light, bickering families at a wedding, a lousy choir they're helping out as a ringer--they put it aside and turn in a good performance. Similarly, I encounter occasional families I don't like, and =lots= of situations I don't like, but I put my feelings aside and do the best I can. +That+ is what being a professional is about. It is not just a question of doing what you're paid for; it's a question of turning in your best even when everything sucks. I think that's a wonderful post. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: K.. R... K R is a really good photographer. Some of his stuff is shit, admittedly, but it's very accomplished shit and none of us are in the same league, shitwise, or even remotely close to being as good as he is at his best. When he keeps it simple he is superb. NOT!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dont forget that pro photographers can only do whats economically feasable, some advanced amateurs have no such limitations. They can reshoot somethiing a dozen times if desired to get it absolutely perfect. A pro usually can't. He has to use all his skill and knowledge to get something as good as possible in the time alotted, and be acceptable to client, but in some cases an amateur can take it to another level because there are no monetary or time limitations involved. JC O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rick Womer Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography I am not a professional photographer, and I am not a professional choral singer (I am an enthusiastic amateur at both). I =am= a professional physician. Professional photographers and professional choral singers make the best of whatever situation they encounter. Crappy light, bickering families at a wedding, a lousy choir they're helping out as a ringer--they put it aside and turn in a good performance. Similarly, I encounter occasional families I don't like, and =lots= of situations I don't like, but I put my feelings aside and do the best I can. +That+ is what being a professional is about. It is not just a question +That+ of doing what you're paid for; it's a question of turning in your +That+ best even when everything sucks. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 4/24/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: This is what professional photography is about. The studio owner where I hang out puts it this way: A professional takes pictures of what he is paid to take pictures of, an amateur takes pictures of what he wants to take pictures of, and generally, there is little cross talk between the two. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Dont forget that pro photographers can only do whats economically feasable, some advanced amateurs have no such limitations. They can reshoot somethiing a dozen times if desired to get it absolutely perfect. A pro usually can't. He has to use all his skill and knowledge to get something as good as possible in the time alotted, and be acceptable to client, but in some cases an amateur can take it to another level because there are no monetary or time limitations involved. Another very interesting post. I'd never thought of it that way, JCO... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Luiz Felipe wrote: being a good photographer is part - but just part - of being a professional photographer. And not the most important one (I've been taught). Of course, you cannot aim to be a pro if you are a total dog of a photographer. However, should you just reach a decent level in photography, for jumping into the realm of superstar photographers you have to excel in other areas, especially marketing. Many high-end pros told me that their main skill is bronze face (not sure everybody will get it) and their main tool is their phone. Be good in selling yourself to the market is the password. Photographic skills and camera gear come much later. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Dont forget that pro photographers can only do whats economically feasable, some advanced amateurs have no such limitations. They can reshoot somethiing a dozen times if desired to get it absolutely perfect. A pro usually can't. He has to use all his skill and knowledge to get something as good as possible in the time alotted, and be acceptable to client, but in some cases an amateur can take it to another level because there are no monetary or time limitations involved. Another very interesting post. I'd never thought of it that way, JCO... I agree! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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being a good photographer is part - but just part - of being a professional photographer. LF MARK -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: The other side of this is if you are very good at marketing yourself, and can build a cult of personality around your name, it almost doesn't matter how bad a photogrpaher you are. [cough]Annie Leibovitz[cough] Annie Leibovitz is a really good photographer. Some of her stuff is shit, admittedly, but it's very accomplished shit and none of us are in the same league, shitwise, or even remotely close to being as good as she is at her best. When she keeps it simple she is superb. Bob If it's just Annie, a camera and a subject, the results are usually superb. If she's got assistants and a staff, it's invariably well-produced shit that is a direct reference to something else brilliant. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography Be good in selling yourself to the market is the password. Photographic skills and camera gear come much later. Often, this is what seperates the pros from the people who never make it. If you aren't good at marketing yourself, it doesn't matter how good a shooter you are, you will fail as a professional photographer. The other side of this is if you are very good at marketing yourself, and can build a cult of personality around your name, it almost doesn't matter how bad a photogrpaher you are. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Timbah! Subject: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) I take it that agencies no longer care about the quality of the photographs so much as some of the less than important aspects of the technology of taking them? William Robb Most of 'em never did. I've been told they don't care what kind of camera I use, as long as I provide the images in either Nikon or Canon RAW format. The biggest advantage of shooting Cakon is third party support. Plus, if you don't have exactly the lens you need, you can rent it just about anywhere. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Timbah! Subject: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) I take it that agencies no longer care about the quality of the photographs so much as some of the less than important aspects of the technology of taking them? William Robb Most of 'em never did. I've been told they don't care what kind of camera I use, as long as I provide the images in either Nikon or Canon RAW format. The biggest advantage of shooting Cakon is third party support. Plus, if you don't have exactly the lens you need, you can rent it just about anywhere. The availability of rental equipment is an obvious plus for Canon and Nikon shooters. But in regard to providing RAW files in those formats, that's a non-issue. I work for a lot of different pubs, agencies, stock houses and other clients, and no one has ever requested RAW files. If they did, I'd tell them no. Controlling the transition from RAW to tiff is part of the photographer's job, his signature if you will. I would never turn over the coarse data that is a RAW file. And I know of no working pro who would. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:52 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Timbah! Subject: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) I take it that agencies no longer care about the quality of the photographs so much as some of the less than important aspects of the technology of taking them? William Robb Most of 'em never did. I've been told they don't care what kind of camera I use, as long as I provide the images in either Nikon or Canon RAW format. The biggest advantage of shooting Cakon is third party support. Plus, if you don't have exactly the lens you need, you can rent it just about anywhere. You can actually save a JPEG or TIFF to Nikon's NEF RAW format if you have a copy of CaptureNX. Unfortunately nothing other than CaptureNX will be able to read it properly. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pnstenquist If you find the jobs, you can do some professional work, regardless of equipment brand. But there are far more good photographers than there are paid shoots, so you have to dig. There are some imbeciles out there who specify brand, but who wants to work for imbeciles? Paul Well . FWIW, imbeciles often pay well. It's that ol' A fool and his money ... thingy I guess. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: pnstenquist If you find the jobs, you can do some professional work, regardless of equipment brand. But there are far more good photographers than there are paid shoots, so you have to dig. There are some imbeciles out there who specify brand, but who wants to work for imbeciles? Paul Well . FWIW, imbeciles often pay well. I haven't found that to be the case. It's that ol' A fool and his money ... thingy I guess. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography You can actually save a JPEG or TIFF to Nikon's NEF RAW format if you have a copy of CaptureNX. Unfortunately nothing other than CaptureNX will be able to read it properly. On that thought, I heard a rumour that a next generation NEF file will use encryption to make it hard for third party vendors like Adobe. Is there any truth to this? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Charles Robinson On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:25, Timbah! wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Pentax and as every pentaxian I am a latent-Nikon-fan too Not THIS Pentaxian! They read great on paper but I find them somewhat perplexing to use in real life. It's not so much latent-nikon-fandom as much as it's a determination that should anything force a change in brands, it's for damn sure not going to be Canon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I understand your point fairly well. I decided to work as photographer some time ago. Got the same comments from everywhere, since I was using a Pentax LX and no professional would use Pentax because those cameras weren´t up to Nikon, Canon, Minolta... Stubborn, I pushed and got some acceptance - and won some bets too. Then I needed some 120 format camera, and of course, I needed a Hasselblad... since the Pentax 67 was such a poor camera and the lenses were no good... One day I got really fed up, and cut my 67 slides a little more, placed them in 66 mounts and told one of the smart guys I had just bought a Hasselblad, and how did he like my photos? Smart guy congratulates me on my new gear, loves my photos, wich show an impressive evolution, not only because the Hassy was better, but also because I was able to control my photos better. After I get him to praise the shots in the next public meeting I just pull out the mount and tell him to get eyes checked. Won´t talk to me to this day, more than 20 years later... I did add some Canon FD gear later (a full set for a very good price and came with the selective metering Pentax wouldn´t offer then), found me a good-working 500 C/M (polaroid,645 and 66 backs, more leaf shutter lenses), bought a Sinar (4x5 and full moves, even if I used it more often with the 67 back), and for a time had a set of tools almost perfectly matched to the jobs at hand. While I became able to get more photos done, my photos didn't improve due to gear change... they actually suffered for a while, until I got to control the new gear as I handled the oldies. Time lag on the F1n alone made me return to the LX to grab some of those moments. Then all pro photo in Fortaleza was done in 120 format, so I sold the FD gear and returned to Pentax. Then the new trend would be Digital, and of course I needed Canon or Mamiya(!) or some costly adapter that would expose the colors in three different exposures, and one day I lose one specific project that was in the sixth month of development because... I was working with obsolete slide film, and some local guy deported from somewhere in the world for working without permit had just arrived with the perfect tool, capable of instant review, so he would continuously adjust the photos to the client interest... some brand new Nikon pro camera, under 6 mp... not the obsolete Hasselblad. Unless you would like the other aspects of the profession, you may end up enjoying your photos more as amateur. Not that I doubt you ARE capable of working - at the photographic level your photos would allow you to work anywhere you want. But the smart persons you´ll work for and the proper profee tool set are part of the deal. Even if you make your way with the Amateur-oriented Pentax. LF LF Timbah! escreveu: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) Also my equipment really lacks many things to become a professional. All the shots with Dovile was made with the FA 50 f1.4 and I had some bad experience with the focusing speed and accuracy of the K20D. It also made me think about Pentax and Professional Photography. Pentax is the very best amateur level camera and so far I know they always were in the 35mm market. The Pentax K20D is a fantastic camera, but it has some serious downs. The AF is really a pain in the rear sometimes, not to mention the focus feedback with MF lenses. For Nature it's very good since you have time, but for sport and fashion it's kinda weak. I did 'journalist' photographies with a 40 years old Carl Zeiss lens (f4/300) and it was way better than the other guy with a Canon EOS 40D + 70-200 f4 L (said the editor :P), but I often feel the need of something quicker. I did live performance photography yesterday (a dutch band called Kraak Smaak played at Trafalgar Square) and many of my shots seems to be just a little OOF. The main problem is (I believe) that in this 'running' world you need to keep the tempo or you will fail (Minolta is one of the best examples). Also Samsung seem to be getting independent from Pentax as the EVIL system was developed alone and they don't want to share it with Pentax. Without Samsung I wonder how well Pentax will suceed, but I am afraid it might have difficulties. So all in all I wonder what Pentax will do... but they need something BIG :) .t Ps I can't do professional photography work because I lack the two E-factor: Experience and Equipment :D Christine Aguila wrote: Wow! Stunning! You've picked some gorgeous women to photograph. Your style is so distinct, Timber--really great! Sorry to hear about Friday--what was it about last week? Anyway--I'd follow Cotty's suggestion and get your work out there and to the London agencies!
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Luiz, Wonderful story about the ass who told you how much better your photos were since you switched to a Hassy, and how you embarrased him with the cut-down 67 slides. Great that 20 years later he still won't talk to you! Regardes, Bob S. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: I understand your point fairly well. I decided to work as photographer some time ago. Got the same comments from everywhere, since I was using a Pentax LX and no professional would use Pentax because those cameras weren´t up to Nikon, Canon, Minolta... Stubborn, I pushed and got some acceptance - and won some bets too. Then I needed some 120 format camera, and of course, I needed a Hasselblad... since the Pentax 67 was such a poor camera and the lenses were no good... One day I got really fed up, and cut my 67 slides a little more, placed them in 66 mounts and told one of the smart guys I had just bought a Hasselblad, and how did he like my photos? Smart guy congratulates me on my new gear, loves my photos, wich show an impressive evolution, not only because the Hassy was better, but also because I was able to control my photos better. After I get him to praise the shots in the next public meeting I just pull out the mount and tell him to get eyes checked. Won´t talk to me to this day, more than 20 years later... I did add some Canon FD gear later (a full set for a very good price and came with the selective metering Pentax wouldn´t offer then), found me a good-working 500 C/M (polaroid,645 and 66 backs, more leaf shutter lenses), bought a Sinar (4x5 and full moves, even if I used it more often with the 67 back), and for a time had a set of tools almost perfectly matched to the jobs at hand. While I became able to get more photos done, my photos didn't improve due to gear change... they actually suffered for a while, until I got to control the new gear as I handled the oldies. Time lag on the F1n alone made me return to the LX to grab some of those moments. Then all pro photo in Fortaleza was done in 120 format, so I sold the FD gear and returned to Pentax. Then the new trend would be Digital, and of course I needed Canon or Mamiya(!) or some costly adapter that would expose the colors in three different exposures, and one day I lose one specific project that was in the sixth month of development because... I was working with obsolete slide film, and some local guy deported from somewhere in the world for working without permit had just arrived with the perfect tool, capable of instant review, so he would continuously adjust the photos to the client interest... some brand new Nikon pro camera, under 6 mp... not the obsolete Hasselblad. Unless you would like the other aspects of the profession, you may end up enjoying your photos more as amateur. Not that I doubt you ARE capable of working - at the photographic level your photos would allow you to work anywhere you want. But the smart persons you´ll work for and the proper profee tool set are part of the deal. Even if you make your way with the Amateur-oriented Pentax. LF LF Timbah! escreveu: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) Also my equipment really lacks many things to become a professional. All the shots with Dovile was made with the FA 50 f1.4 and I had some bad experience with the focusing speed and accuracy of the K20D. It also made me think about Pentax and Professional Photography. Pentax is the very best amateur level camera and so far I know they always were in the 35mm market. The Pentax K20D is a fantastic camera, but it has some serious downs. The AF is really a pain in the rear sometimes, not to mention the focus feedback with MF lenses. For Nature it's very good since you have time, but for sport and fashion it's kinda weak. I did 'journalist' photographies with a 40 years old Carl Zeiss lens (f4/300) and it was way better than the other guy with a Canon EOS 40D + 70-200 f4 L (said the editor :P), but I often feel the need of something quicker. I did live performance photography yesterday (a dutch band called Kraak Smaak played at Trafalgar Square) and many of my shots seems to be just a little OOF. The main problem is (I believe) that in this 'running' world you need to keep the tempo or you will fail (Minolta is one of the best examples). Also Samsung seem to be getting independent from Pentax as the EVIL system was developed alone and they don't want to share it with Pentax. Without Samsung I wonder how well Pentax will suceed, but I am afraid it might have difficulties. So all in all I wonder what Pentax will do... but they need something BIG :) .t Ps I can't do professional photography work because I lack the two E-factor:
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On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:25, Timbah! wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Pentax and as every pentaxian I am a latent-Nikon-fan too Not THIS Pentaxian! They read great on paper but I find them somewhat perplexing to use in real life. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:25, Timbah! wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Pentax and as every pentaxian I am a latent-Nikon-fan too Not THIS Pentaxian! They read great on paper but I find them somewhat perplexing to use in real life. I don;'t think they are any different Charles. I have 4 of em and other than the D1 which had a very basic menu, they all perform the same. Dave -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 05:59:18PM +0100, Timbah! scripsit: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) There's a fellow in another forum who does Paris fashion photography -- arty Paris fashion photography -- with K20Ds. So it's possible. How possible from where you're starting, I couldn't begin to say -- it's not a business I know anything much about -- but you do have a very good eye for people. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Timbah! Subject: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) I take it that agencies no longer care about the quality of the photographs so much as some of the less than important aspects of the technology of taking them? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/4/09, Timbah!, discombobulated, unleashed: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) Also my equipment really lacks many things to become a professional. All the shots with Dovile was made with the FA 50 f1.4 and I had some bad experience with the focusing speed and accuracy of the K20D. It also made me think about Pentax and Professional Photography. Pentax is the very best amateur level camera and so far I know they always were in the 35mm market. The Pentax K20D is a fantastic camera, but it has some serious downs. The AF is really a pain in the rear sometimes, not to mention the focus feedback with MF lenses. For Nature it's very good since you have time, but for sport and fashion it's kinda weak. I did 'journalist' photographies with a 40 years old Carl Zeiss lens (f4/300) and it was way better than the other guy with a Canon EOS 40D + 70-200 f4 L (said the editor :P), but I often feel the need of something quicker. I did live performance photography yesterday (a dutch band called Kraak Smaak played at Trafalgar Square) and many of my shots seems to be just a little OOF. The main problem is (I believe) that in this 'running' world you need to keep the tempo or you will fail (Minolta is one of the best examples). Also Samsung seem to be getting independent from Pentax as the EVIL system was developed alone and they don't want to share it with Pentax. Without Samsung I wonder how well Pentax will suceed, but I am afraid it might have difficulties. So all in all I wonder what Pentax will do... but they need something BIG :) My point would be that your pictures speak for themselves. Any fashion editor will see straight away that there is talent there - and all you need is a starting point. Are you already working in London? Can you print off and do you have a portfolio? If you could get a gig as an assistant, that's one of the best ways in to the industry. Earn some money, and you'll get access to the right kit as you go, either by borrowing or buying. I'm afraid all my London contacts are film and TV. I do have some stills friends in my neck of the woods, I could see if anyone knows where the best place to look might be email me offlist if you want to take it further. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography There's a fellow in another forum who does Paris fashion photography -- arty Paris fashion photography -- with K20Ds. So it's possible. Ben is our hero. Very often if someone points out that there may be a flaw in the Pentax line-up, the fanboys trot him out like an old war horse to prove that anything can be done with a Pentax. Were I him I'd be switching brands just to put an end to it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography There's a fellow in another forum who does Paris fashion photography -- arty Paris fashion photography -- with K20Ds. So it's possible. Ben is our hero. Very often if someone points out that there may be a flaw in the Pentax line-up, the fanboys trot him out like an old war horse to prove that anything can be done with a Pentax. Were I him I'd be switching brands just to put an end to it. William Robb Ben likes being a big fish in a puddle. He's not going to switch to any system that would leave him without his legion of adoring fanboys. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, it's possible, but I might need really good connections for that :) But yet... I only have FA 50 and DA 12-24 in my arsenal. I don't even have a flash :D So I think I am a bit far from trying to be a fashion photographer. What I try now is to send some pictures to the socialstock.co.uk page. .t Graydon wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 05:59:18PM +0100, Timbah! scripsit: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) There's a fellow in another forum who does Paris fashion photography -- arty Paris fashion photography -- with K20Ds. So it's possible. How possible from where you're starting, I couldn't begin to say -- it's not a business I know anything much about -- but you do have a very good eye for people. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Timber, I am thinking of a number of points here. In no particular order. 1. You're very talented indeed. I couldn't compare with other photographers, notably local ones, but few guys in my local camera club have K10Ds and assortment of lenses, usually Tamron 28-75/2.8 and some more. At least one of them has exactly that and he keeps getting prices, medals and the honors in these international competitions to where he keeps sending his photos. He usually shoots on the streets, meaning that somehow he is fast enough. 2. If you have problems with focusing then I suggest two things: a. Get a Katz Eye screen. It works wonders and it will also allow you to see in real time if your AF is where you want it to be. b. Given your eye sight (mine being very weak) you might want to buy the viewfinder magnifier. I've got one recently and although it does not have revolutionary effect, it is still very nice and it makes my eyes strain less. 3. But of course if you say that these guys up there don't like that you shoot with Pentax, then you might have to at least buy some into another system, whatever it would have to be. 4. I tried few times to do casual shooting on the street with FA 43/1.9 and it seemed snappy enough for my needs. Also I remember that FA 50/1.7 wasn't a slouch either. I don't doubt your shooting technique, but may be some special trial-and-error or self-training sessions may be of help. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: I take it that agencies no longer care about the quality of the photographs so much as some of the less than important aspects of the technology of taking them? William Robb Everyone can have a few lucky shots (as you can see even me! :P) Don't get me wrong, I love Pentax and as every pentaxian I am a latent-Nikon-fan too and the D700 is really really tempting (like the dark side :D) I don't want to change. I am happy with my Pentax K20D and the good old Jupiter-9 f2/85 :) Just it's not a setup that an agency would like to see :) So technology does matters a lot... Also if you want to do product-pictures the 14 megapixel is not enough. For example you make a photo of a product it has to be at least 20 MPix to be good enough for city-advertisements. At least that's what I was told... :) I would love to work as a photographer once (for now I think retoucher or assistant is more suitable for me), but it's not easy to find such a job... :) .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:13:08AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: - Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography There's a fellow in another forum who does Paris fashion photography -- arty Paris fashion photography -- with K20Ds. So it's possible. Ben is our hero. Very often if someone points out that there may be a flaw in the Pentax line-up, Of course there are glaring flaws in the Pentax line-up. (Want my list? :) There are glaring flaws in the Sony, Nikon, and Canon lineups, too. There are glaring flaws in everything wrought by the hand of man. I would not generally say that the especial bad flaws in the Pentax line-up are at the studio-lights-and-short-primes end of things. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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something quicker. I did live performance photography yesterday (a dutch band called Kraak Smaak played at Trafalgar Square) Sex drugs Rock 'n' Roll all in one band name - that's very creative. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At this point it would take something like a job requirement to get me to switch. A few weeks ago I was contemplating full frame. I stopped into our local camera store when they were having a slow afternoon and started pricing what it would cost to switch to a reasonable kit based around the Nikon D700. So, I totaled up a the d700, a couple of sb900 speedlights, a couple of fast zooms with vibration reduction, a few CF cards and some misc. minor supporting pieces. When the total climbed past $12,000 I stopped, took my price list home, and applied a bit of rationalization. I questioned if my equipment had ever stopped me from doing anything. I then asked if it was likely to stop me from doing anything I could think of doing in the next few years. The answer, for me, was no. So, I decided to put this decision off until the day when I could no longer accomplish my goals with the Pentax system, or the company itself went down the drain. If that day comes, I can make a decision based on real requirements, as opposed to my imaginary what if I want to If I was looking at a paying job that required that kind of a cash outlay, the figure would look small. That day comes at different times for different people. I can see that it would be a tough decision for anyone. The next day I went back to the camera store and bought the the pentax 100mm macro lens, saving over $11.000. See you later, gs http://georgesphotos.net On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Timbah! tim...@clancode.hu wrote: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) Also my equipment really lacks many things to become a professional. All the shots with Dovile was made with the FA 50 f1.4 and I had some bad experience with the focusing speed and accuracy of the K20D. It also made me think about Pentax and Professional Photography. Pentax is the very best amateur level camera and so far I know they always were in the 35mm market. The Pentax K20D is a fantastic camera, but it has some serious downs. The AF is really a pain in the rear sometimes, not to mention the focus feedback with MF lenses. For Nature it's very good since you have time, but for sport and fashion it's kinda weak. I did 'journalist' photographies with a 40 years old Carl Zeiss lens (f4/300) and it was way better than the other guy with a Canon EOS 40D + 70-200 f4 L (said the editor :P), but I often feel the need of something quicker. I did live performance photography yesterday (a dutch band called Kraak Smaak played at Trafalgar Square) and many of my shots seems to be just a little OOF. The main problem is (I believe) that in this 'running' world you need to keep the tempo or you will fail (Minolta is one of the best examples). Also Samsung seem to be getting independent from Pentax as the EVIL system was developed alone and they don't want to share it with Pentax. Without Samsung I wonder how well Pentax will suceed, but I am afraid it might have difficulties. So all in all I wonder what Pentax will do... but they need something BIG :) .t Ps I can't do professional photography work because I lack the two E-factor: Experience and Equipment :D Christine Aguila wrote: Wow! Stunning! You've picked some gorgeous women to photograph. Your style is so distinct, Timber--really great! Sorry to hear about Friday--what was it about last week? Anyway--I'd follow Cotty's suggestion and get your work out there and to the London agencies! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Timbah! tim...@clancode.hu To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: GESO: Meet Dovile :) Hi list, I had a quite terrible friday but it turned to be good in the end. I had my first girl-photo-shoot :) A lituanian girl asked me to do some photos of her and this friday in heavy rain we went out (thanks for Pentax Weather Sealing) and took some pictures. Well... long story short: We had a good time and in the end I think we had a few good shots. http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbah/3452600674 More on my stream. Regards, .timber -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- George Sinos gsi...@att.net www.georgesphotos.net
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 01:27:54PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:13:08AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: - Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography There's a fellow in another forum who does Paris fashion photography -- arty Paris fashion photography -- with K20Ds. So it's possible. Ben is our hero. Very often if someone points out that there may be a flaw in the Pentax line-up, Of course there are glaring flaws in the Pentax line-up. (Want my list? :) To start with there is the 16-50, the 50-135 and the DFA100 macro that aren't in my lens bag. At the moment, those are the most glaring flaws in the Pentax line-up. I'm a bit surprised that you've had photo editors say that they won't hire you based solely on the brand of your camera body. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Timbah, I missed your PESO, but I understand you have come up against the same misconceptions as I have met, when trying to join up with online stock agencies. Unfortunately, there are some agencies who categorically dismiss Pentax on some lame excuse. Too much noise is a classic. Just ignore them. On pure mischief you can submit the same pics again and see what happens. I recently read about a Nikon guy who had 43 out of 50 dismissed for the said reason, resumbmitted them and had 30 accepted. :-) Personally, I'd say that anyone who dismiss Pentax on the sole reason that it's Pentax is probably not going to be good agents for your images anyway. OTOH, one investment that's probably very wise is a good noise-reduction thingamabob for your computer and learn how to use it optimally. It'll probably shut up all of them straight. :-) Jostein 2009/4/19 Timbah! tim...@clancode.hu: Yeah, it's possible, but I might need really good connections for that :) But yet... I only have FA 50 and DA 12-24 in my arsenal. I don't even have a flash :D So I think I am a bit far from trying to be a fashion photographer. What I try now is to send some pictures to the socialstock.co.uk page. .t Graydon wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 05:59:18PM +0100, Timbah! scripsit: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) There's a fellow in another forum who does Paris fashion photography -- arty Paris fashion photography -- with K20Ds. So it's possible. How possible from where you're starting, I couldn't begin to say -- it's not a business I know anything much about -- but you do have a very good eye for people. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/4/19 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: To start with there is the 16-50, the 50-135 and the DFA100 macro that aren't in my lens bag. At the moment, those are the most glaring flaws in the Pentax line-up. Heh. Your line-up, you mean? Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you find the jobs, you can do some professional work, regardless of equipment brand. But there are far more good photographers than there are paid shoots, so you have to dig. There are some imbeciles out there who specify brand, but who wants to work for imbeciles? Paul - Timbah! tim...@clancode.hu wrote: One of the main problems is I've Pentax. Not kidding. An agency will never talk with someone who has Pentax. The minimum is Full Frame, which Pentax not planning to release. With a Nikon D700 or Canon EOS 5D (MK1) I could start with luck :) Also my equipment really lacks many things to become a professional. All the shots with Dovile was made with the FA 50 f1.4 and I had some bad experience with the focusing speed and accuracy of the K20D. It also made me think about Pentax and Professional Photography. Pentax is the very best amateur level camera and so far I know they always were in the 35mm market. The Pentax K20D is a fantastic camera, but it has some serious downs. The AF is really a pain in the rear sometimes, not to mention the focus feedback with MF lenses. For Nature it's very good since you have time, but for sport and fashion it's kinda weak. I did 'journalist' photographies with a 40 years old Carl Zeiss lens (f4/300) and it was way better than the other guy with a Canon EOS 40D + 70-200 f4 L (said the editor :P), but I often feel the need of something quicker. I did live performance photography yesterday (a dutch band called Kraak Smaak played at Trafalgar Square) and many of my shots seems to be just a little OOF. The main problem is (I believe) that in this 'running' world you need to keep the tempo or you will fail (Minolta is one of the best examples). Also Samsung seem to be getting independent from Pentax as the EVIL system was developed alone and they don't want to share it with Pentax. Without Samsung I wonder how well Pentax will suceed, but I am afraid it might have difficulties. So all in all I wonder what Pentax will do... but they need something BIG :) .t Ps I can't do professional photography work because I lack the two E-factor: Experience and Equipment :D Christine Aguila wrote: Wow! Stunning! You've picked some gorgeous women to photograph. Your style is so distinct, Timber--really great! Sorry to hear about Friday--what was it about last week? Anyway--I'd follow Cotty's suggestion and get your work out there and to the London agencies! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Timbah! tim...@clancode.hu To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: GESO: Meet Dovile :) Hi list, I had a quite terrible friday but it turned to be good in the end. I had my first girl-photo-shoot :) A lituanian girl asked me to do some photos of her and this friday in heavy rain we went out (thanks for Pentax Weather Sealing) and took some pictures. Well... long story short: We had a good time and in the end I think we had a few good shots. http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbah/3452600674 More on my stream. Regards, .timber -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Timbah, I'm not a pro photographer, but whoever told you that is giving you something warm, wet, brown, and out of a bull's hind end. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Timbah! tim...@clancode.hu wrote: Also if you want to do product-pictures the 14 megapixel is not enough. For example you make a photo of a product it has to be at least 20 MPix to be good enough for city-advertisements. At least that's what I was told... :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: Toughts... Pentax and Professional Photography There's a fellow in another forum who does Paris fashion photography -- arty Paris fashion photography -- with K20Ds. So it's possible. Ben is our hero. Very often if someone points out that there may be a flaw in the Pentax line-up, the fanboys trot him out like an old war horse to prove that anything can be done with a Pentax. Were I him I'd be switching brands just to put an end to it. William Robb Ben likes being a big fish in a puddle. He's not going to switch to any system that would leave him without his legion of adoring fanboys. And this boy is not one of em.:-) 1/4 to 1/2 of the photos is sell to magazines are from a 2.74 meg camera, i just don;'t let them know. Dave -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
