Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
On 12/20/2014 5:48 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 20 Dec 2014, at 21:59, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? We could hack Sony, maybe sell some photos for $6 million or so B Publish a book? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
Igor there is a lot of truth in what you say. Of course, several others have already had their say too. I found the list by accident! I was nearly hijacked by C*non but found using older Pentax lenses with adaptors was too tedious so I bought a S/H K110D. I can see that many of the founding members have developed close bonds which is surely the whole essence of the PDML? In the relatively short time I have been a member there has certainly been a reduction in the number or postings especially the sarcastic jocular type some of which are very clever (reMARK!able). Many of the technical strings have been very useful. Just like in a choir, everyone is on a joint learning curve. In South Africa, where English is a second language for most, even English speakers become submerged in a sort of secondary English with poor pronunciation limited vocabulary including a lot of non-English words. Wit is pointless not understood by most. But we are a tolerant bunch get by regardless. The younger generation are not only into social media rather than e-mails SMS's but also into smart phones tablets which double as cameras. In fact, there is clearly a decline in tourists with DSLR's( we get many from all over the world because of the weak Rand). Even compacts have gone. Superzooms seem to be the in thing now seeing how well my daughter wife do with their Fuji Superzooms makes me wonder why I persevere with a DSLR. Mind you, I only have consumer lenses. The world is dynamic constantly changing. Must the youth follow in the footsteps of their progenitors? I think not - it is their prerogative to go do whatever they feel is their calling. Some older people do adapt to a degree but most are trapped in their comfort zones. Alan C -Original Message- From: Igor PDML-StR Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:24 AM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Was this year on PDML reMark!able? Thinking about 2014 on PDML, I realized that haven't seen as many Mark!s as in any of the previous ones. I also saw much fewer puns this year. Do you think my observation is correct? If so, I wonder if it is a sign of the time: there are seemingly fewer discussions here. Most posts are PESOs. I am guessing that people are getting more e-interaction via facebook, twitter, and other social networks, and as a result PDML is getting less focus. ... and there is almost no new blood, especially young one... What do others think? Igor P.S. While writing this message I came up with this sentence: If vans vanish, will puns punish? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? Some attention could be paid to improving the search engine ranking of the pdml.net page. I'm no expert but I see it lacks any meta tags and there's no text description there at all, just a single photo. I just Google'd for pentax discussion and no surprise: pdml.net is nowhere to be seen. Just adding an explanatory overview blurb with links to other popular Pentax resources should help enormously, likely within a couple of weeks. The mailing list interface (http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net) should reference the landing page (http://pdml.net/) as well (ie a back link). The archives are a treasure trove of keywords and links. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
On 21 Dec 2014, at 11:43, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: [...] In the relatively short time I have been a member there has certainly been a reduction in the number or postings especially the sarcastic jocular type some of which are very clever (reMARK!able). Post hoc ergo propter hoc? B [...] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
Touchè! Alan C -Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 6:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able? On 21 Dec 2014, at 11:43, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: [...] In the relatively short time I have been a member there has certainly been a reduction in the number or postings especially the sarcastic jocular type some of which are very clever (reMARK!able). Post hoc ergo propter hoc? B [...] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
Sell a PESO for 6.5 million ! -Original Message- From: John sesso...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able? On 12/20/2014 5:48 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 20 Dec 2014, at 21:59, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? We could hack Sony, maybe sell some photos for $6 million or so B Publish a book? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
On 19/12/14, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed: PDML is getting less focus. I see what you did there Igor -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
On 12/19/2014 11:24 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Thinking about 2014 on PDML, I realized that haven't seen as many Mark!s as in any of the previous ones. I also saw much fewer puns this year. Do you think my observation is correct? If so, I wonder if it is a sign of the time: there are seemingly fewer discussions here. Most posts are PESOs. I am guessing that people are getting more e-interaction via facebook, twitter, and other social networks, and as a result PDML is getting less focus. ... and there is almost no new blood, especially young one... What do others think? Igor P.S. While writing this message I came up with this sentence: If vans vanish, will puns punish? If tin whistles are made out of tin, what do they make foghorns out of? I've seen fewer Mark!s this year as well. I hope it won't make Mark's job compiling the list any more difficult. I don't do facebook, twitter et al myself. I'll get around to them right after I switch my workflow completely over to Lightroom CC. I do have a Google+, but I've only looked at it twice, maybe three times in 2014. If I could figure out how to make it a completely blank page, I'd do so. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
I'm pretty sure that Mark ignores those and picks what he wants. On 12/20/2014 1:30 PM, John wrote: On 12/19/2014 11:24 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Thinking about 2014 on PDML, I realized that haven't seen as many Mark!s as in any of the previous ones. I also saw much fewer puns this year. Do you think my observation is correct? If so, I wonder if it is a sign of the time: there are seemingly fewer discussions here. Most posts are PESOs. I am guessing that people are getting more e-interaction via facebook, twitter, and other social networks, and as a result PDML is getting less focus. ... and there is almost no new blood, especially young one... What do others think? Igor P.S. While writing this message I came up with this sentence: If vans vanish, will puns punish? If tin whistles are made out of tin, what do they make foghorns out of? I've seen fewer Mark!s this year as well. I hope it won't make Mark's job compiling the list any more difficult. I don't do facebook, twitter et al myself. I'll get around to them right after I switch my workflow completely over to Lightroom CC. I do have a Google+, but I've only looked at it twice, maybe three times in 2014. If I could figure out how to make it a completely blank page, I'd do so. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
Igor PDML-StR wrote: What do others think? Traffic seems to be declining and though I don't know for certain I suspect membership is down. People used to find the PDML via Pentax's web site, which is obviously no longer the case now. I'm not sure how anyone would discover the PDML these days. Perhaps a little discreet promotion might be in order? I've recently started contributing to the Ricoh discussion forum (at their request) and I've put the PDML signup link in my sig. Perhaps that will draw an interesting new character or two. Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
On 20 Dec 2014, at 21:59, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? We could hack Sony, maybe sell some photos for $6 million or so B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
On 20/12/2014 3:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Igor PDML-StR wrote: What do others think? Traffic seems to be declining and though I don't know for certain I suspect membership is down. People used to find the PDML via Pentax's web site, which is obviously no longer the case now. I'm not sure how anyone would discover the PDML these days. Perhaps a little discreet promotion might be in order? I've recently started contributing to the Ricoh discussion forum (at their request) and I've put the PDML signup link in my sig. Perhaps that will draw an interesting new character or two. Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? We could advertise on Pentax forums and DPReiview. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
It very much depends on what people here want. People who discover PDML through friends are more likely to be somewhat like their friends. The crowd on Pentaxforums is very diverse. It is even more so on DPreview. (Speaking of DPreview itself, - IMHO, the quality of the material on DPreview's reviews has dropped in the recent past, as they are trying to sustain some constant level of information posted. That's pretty much like CNN these days, - yapping for long time about nothing.) I am not against that diversity. I hope that trolls will get bored sooner than later, if we don't feed them. PDMLers just have to realize that the dynamics might change. Best, Igor Bill Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:41:52 -0800 wrote: On 20/12/2014 3:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Igor PDML-StR wrote: What do others think? Traffic seems to be declining and though I don't know for certain I suspect membership is down. People used to find the PDML via Pentax's web site, which is obviously no longer the case now. I'm not sure how anyone would discover the PDML these days. Perhaps a little discreet promotion might be in order? I've recently started contributing to the Ricoh discussion forum (at their request) and I've put the PDML signup link in my sig. Perhaps that will draw an interesting new character or two. Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? We could advertise on Pentax forums and DPReiview. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
I think it’s a plus that we no longer get 500 posts a day. That was not necessarily a good thing. On Dec 20, 2014, at 8:41 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/12/2014 3:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Igor PDML-StR wrote: What do others think? Traffic seems to be declining and though I don't know for certain I suspect membership is down. People used to find the PDML via Pentax's web site, which is obviously no longer the case now. I'm not sure how anyone would discover the PDML these days. Perhaps a little discreet promotion might be in order? I've recently started contributing to the Ricoh discussion forum (at their request) and I've put the PDML signup link in my sig. Perhaps that will draw an interesting new character or two. Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? We could advertise on Pentax forums and DPReiview. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?
Quoting Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org: It very much depends on what people here want. People who discover PDML through friends are more likely to be somewhat like their friends. The crowd on Pentaxforums is very diverse. It is even more so on DPreview. (Speaking of DPreview itself, - IMHO, the quality of the material on DPreview's reviews has dropped in the recent past, as they are trying to sustain some constant level of information posted. That's pretty much like CNN these days, - yapping for long time about nothing.) I am not against that diversity. I hope that trolls will get bored sooner than later, if we don't feed them. PDMLers just have to realize that the dynamics might change. Part of the problem (if there is one) is that mailing lists are seen as 'old internet' - these days it's all about social networking. PDML is also hard to find. A search on Google for Pentax Discussion brings up lots of links to Pentax Forums and DP Review. PDML doesn't make an appearance until the third page. If you add List to the search, PDML comes up first but I doubt many would think of doing that. I've been spending some time on the micro four thirds forum at DP Review since I bought my Olympus E-M10. It's very active, probably because the µ4/3 cameras are highly configurable and take some time to get to know properly. The Pentax Forum on DP Review is not much more active than PDML, maybe because we've had a lot of time to get used to the Pentax way of doing things and don't need to ask for advice as often as we used to, even when new cameras are released. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Best, Igor Bill Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:41:52 -0800 wrote: On 20/12/2014 3:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Igor PDML-StR wrote: What do others think? Traffic seems to be declining and though I don't know for certain I suspect membership is down. People used to find the PDML via Pentax's web site, which is obviously no longer the case now. I'm not sure how anyone would discover the PDML these days. Perhaps a little discreet promotion might be in order? I've recently started contributing to the Ricoh discussion forum (at their request) and I've put the PDML signup link in my sig. Perhaps that will draw an interesting new character or two. Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the PDML? We could advertise on Pentax forums and DPReiview. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
