Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 12, 2010, at 16:27, paul stenquist wrote: It casts a shadow with most of my lenses, so I haven't experimented with it much. But the few times I have, I've found it difficult to control in respect to exposure. Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
That is indeed a nice image, and a good use of the flash. Dan On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 16:27, paul stenquist wrote: It casts a shadow with most of my lenses, so I haven't experimented with it much. But the few times I have, I've found it difficult to control in respect to exposure. Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:45, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: That is indeed a nice image, and a good use of the flash. (helps to have a good subject) Dan On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 16:27, paul stenquist wrote: It casts a shadow with most of my lenses, so I haven't experimented with it much. But the few times I have, I've found it difficult to control in respect to exposure. Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
Even better, in this case, to have TWO good subjects. G Dan On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:45, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: That is indeed a nice image, and a good use of the flash. (helps to have a good subject) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 13, 2010, at 06:39 , Charles Robinson wrote: Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html You've shown us an example that we photographers dread. If you get one or more pretty gals to OK taking a shot, they are always looking at someone else. sigh Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com I couldn't remember most of what I know today if it weren't for others sharing their knowledge of my past on the Internet. Thank you… -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 13, 2010, at 17:14, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 13, 2010, at 06:39 , Charles Robinson wrote: Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html You've shown us an example that we photographers dread. If you get one or more pretty gals to OK taking a shot, they are always looking at someone else. sigh Heh. They were looking at my brother's camera at the time: http://john.robinsontwins.org/2010/twins_days/content/IMG_7216_large.html I think my photo looks better, despite their attention being elsewhere. Sad thing is, they think they are not attractive. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
2010/8/12 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? You mean eyes-inevitably-shut mode? Even P-TTL gives me lots of closed eyes unless I bounce or diffuse it. Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:14, eckinator wrote: 2010/8/12 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? You mean eyes-inevitably-shut mode? Even P-TTL gives me lots of closed eyes unless I bounce or diffuse it. My trick is to do trailing-curtain flash with the shutter speed at something like 1/15. The pre-flash and the real flash are so far apart at that point that *most* people are done blinking. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:14, eckinator wrote: 2010/8/12 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? You mean eyes-inevitably-shut mode? Even P-TTL gives me lots of closed eyes unless I bounce or diffuse it. My trick is to do trailing-curtain flash with the shutter speed at something like 1/15. The pre-flash and the real flash are so far apart at that point that *most* people are done blinking. -Charles The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. Paul -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:20, P N Stenquist wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:14, eckinator wrote: 2010/8/12 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? You mean eyes-inevitably-shut mode? Even P-TTL gives me lots of closed eyes unless I bounce or diffuse it. My trick is to do trailing-curtain flash with the shutter speed at something like 1/15. The pre-flash and the real flash are so far apart at that point that *most* people are done blinking. -Charles The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. I wasn't talking about the pop-up flash (but I actually used the PUF all weekend at a party so that my K7 would be lightweight and with me, rather than something I kept setting down because of the weight. K7 with kit lens and pop-up still yields better party shots than a PS) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
2010/8/12 P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. I don't. Never. Never ever. It sits too low. I don't want to have to worry about zooming too far or having forgotten to remove the hood lest there be a partial circle shadow in the lower half of the image... Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
Well, I dunno, Paul. I've used it many times for a bit of fill in backlit situations. With the PZ-1 and 1p, the combination of the pop-up and a bounced flash in the hot shoe did a great job in most rooms. Alas, Pentax moved the hot shoe to the conventional location in subsequent cameras. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 8/12/10, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. Paul -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 12, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Well, I dunno, Paul. I've used it many times for a bit of fill in backlit situations. It casts a shadow with most of my lenses, so I haven't experimented with it much. But the few times I have, I've found it difficult to control in respect to exposure. Paul With the PZ-1 and 1p, the combination of the pop-up and a bounced flash in the hot shoe did a great job in most rooms. Alas, Pentax moved the hot shoe to the conventional location in subsequent cameras. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 8/12/10, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. Paul -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Weird lag with p-ttl flash To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 7:58 PM One advantage of being good friends with a band is that you get a lot more freedom as a photographer. Especially when they love the photos that you take of them. Last week I was up on stage with them for a while, which allowed me to actually get some clear shots of the drummer. Last night another friend of theirs was practicing taking pictures because she has a front and backstage photo pass to a jazz festival this weekend. She was shooting with a rebel and a kit lens, and was taking pictures using the pop-up flash. I decided to try some flash photography myself and found that the best results seemed to be from using my water jug diffuser with the sides wrapped in aluminum foil so that it was more of a softbox than a photon grenade. Rather than my usual habit of using the flash in manual mode, I was using it in TTL, and I noticed that there was what seemed like a two second shutter lag. Press shutter, short wait, flash, long wait, click/flash. Is this normal? I've never noticed such a long delay between the first and second flashes before. The batteries weren't desperately low, but they weren't completely fresh either. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
Larry, what you describe is not how P-TTL works. You would have to try hard to notice the pre-flash of the P-TTL. THe interval between the pre-flash and the flash is just at the border of what a human eye can resolve. What you describe sounds like a red-eye-reduction mode. But even for that, - the first short wait is strange (unless it's due to focusing or due to the battery still charging up for the pop-up flash, if the shot happened too soon after you popped it up). Igor Wed Aug 11 18:58:27 CDT 2010 Larry Colen wrote: Rather than my usual habit of using the flash in manual mode, I was using it in TTL, and I noticed that there was what seemed like a two second shutter lag. Press shutter, short wait, flash, long wait, click/flash. Is this normal? I've never noticed such a long delay between the first and second flashes before. The batteries weren't desperately low, but they weren't completely fresh either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Weird lag with p-ttl flash
On Aug 11, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Larry, what you describe is not how P-TTL works. You would have to try hard to notice the pre-flash of the P-TTL. That has been my experience. THe interval between the pre-flash and the flash is just at the border of what a human eye can resolve. What you describe sounds like a red-eye-reduction mode. That was it. I guess that it had gotten accidentally set in the camera. But even for that, - the first short wait is strange (unless it's due to focusing or due to the battery still charging up for the pop-up flash, if the shot happened too soon after you popped it up). No pop-up, it was with the AF540. Igor Wed Aug 11 18:58:27 CDT 2010 Larry Colen wrote: Rather than my usual habit of using the flash in manual mode, I was using it in TTL, and I noticed that there was what seemed like a two second shutter lag. Press shutter, short wait, flash, long wait, click/flash. Is this normal? I've never noticed such a long delay between the first and second flashes before. The batteries weren't desperately low, but they weren't completely fresh either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
