Re: digital crashes
Only solution is multiple redundancy. Everything I can think of is susceptible to damage. At 11:47 AM 2/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: Just a quickie: I've just brought a fire safe for some of my more 'important' negatives... and it let me a 'trollish' thread thought: What happens to the digital shooter when their hard disk crashes? When their CD gets scratched? Why? As a professional IT dude (apologies - i'm a MUCH better photographer), I would have thought a big old DLT 70GB tape would do.. (i do a little scanning once in a while) until I lost the tape drive, and several tapes due to physical errors Once someone can properly explain a SAFE solution to archiving, i'll pick up a d1, and maybe even use it over my 67ii :) Enjoy - Oliver - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
Let's see, some years back durning the eighty's depression while I was on the road looking for work I left my negs and prints at my parents house which burnt to the ground. I don't know those film negatives and prints just don't seem archival enough for me. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: digital crashes Only solution is multiple redundancy. Everything I can think of is susceptible to damage. At 11:47 AM 2/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: Just a quickie: I've just brought a fire safe for some of my more 'important' negatives... and it let me a 'trollish' thread thought: What happens to the digital shooter when their hard disk crashes? When their CD gets scratched? Why? As a professional IT dude (apologies - i'm a MUCH better photographer), I would have thought a big old DLT 70GB tape would do.. (i do a little scanning once in a while) until I lost the tape drive, and several tapes due to physical errors Once someone can properly explain a SAFE solution to archiving, i'll pick up a d1, and maybe even use it over my 67ii :) Enjoy - Oliver - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
amen! exactly my purpose in obtaining a fire-proof safe.. I've just got to hope that the temperatures don't melt any film i do leave in it... I'm beggining to think that a sprinkler system in the basement would be a good idea - Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: digital crashes Let's see, some years back durning the eighty's depression while I was on the road looking for work I left my negs and prints at my parents house which burnt to the ground. I don't know those film negatives and prints just don't seem archival enough for me. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: digital crashes Only solution is multiple redundancy. Everything I can think of is susceptible to damage. At 11:47 AM 2/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: Just a quickie: I've just brought a fire safe for some of my more 'important' negatives... and it let me a 'trollish' thread thought: What happens to the digital shooter when their hard disk crashes? When their CD gets scratched? Why? As a professional IT dude (apologies - i'm a MUCH better photographer), I would have thought a big old DLT 70GB tape would do.. (i do a little scanning once in a while) until I lost the tape drive, and several tapes due to physical errors Once someone can properly explain a SAFE solution to archiving, i'll pick up a d1, and maybe even use it over my 67ii :) Enjoy - Oliver - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
Hope that safe is waterproof as well. At 10:17 PM 2/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: amen! exactly my purpose in obtaining a fire-proof safe.. I've just got to hope that the temperatures don't melt any film i do leave in it... I'm beggining to think that a sprinkler system in the basement would be a good idea - Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: digital crashes Let's see, some years back durning the eighty's depression while I was on the road looking for work I left my negs and prints at my parents house which burnt to the ground. I don't know those film negatives and prints just don't seem archival enough for me. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: digital crashes Only solution is multiple redundancy. Everything I can think of is susceptible to damage. At 11:47 AM 2/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: Just a quickie: I've just brought a fire safe for some of my more 'important' negatives... and it let me a 'trollish' thread thought: What happens to the digital shooter when their hard disk crashes? When their CD gets scratched? Why? As a professional IT dude (apologies - i'm a MUCH better photographer), I would have thought a big old DLT 70GB tape would do.. (i do a little scanning once in a while) until I lost the tape drive, and several tapes due to physical errors Once someone can properly explain a SAFE solution to archiving, i'll pick up a d1, and maybe even use it over my 67ii :) Enjoy - Oliver - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
Have more than one copy. Keep the original in one place, perhaps off in a safe deposit box, and make two or three backup copies, keeping one on your hard disk, another on tape, and a third on a CD. Keep them all in different places. Oliver Raymond wrote: What happens to the digital shooter when their hard disk crashes? When their CD gets scratched? Why? As a professional IT dude (apologies - i'm a MUCH better photographer), I would have thought a big old DLT 70GB tape would do.. (i do a little scanning once in a while) until I lost the tape drive, and several tapes due to physical errors Once someone can properly explain a SAFE solution to archiving, i'll pick up a d1, and maybe even use it over my 67ii :) -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Oliver Raymond wrote: I've just brought a fire safe for some of my more 'important' negatives... and it let me a 'trollish' thread thought: What happens to the digital shooter when their hard disk crashes? When their CD gets scratched? Hopefully they have back-ups. Why? As a professional IT dude (apologies - i'm a MUCH better photographer), I would have thought a big old DLT 70GB tape would do.. (i do a little scanning once in a while) until I lost the tape drive, and several tapes due to physical errors Once someone can properly explain a SAFE solution to archiving, i'll pick up a d1, and maybe even use it over my 67ii :) Keep more than one copy, in more than one location, on more than one medium. Storage media have a life span, so plan to re-copy most of your files when necessary, or when a new medium becomes dominant. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: digital crashes
Keep more than one copy, in more than one location, on more than one medium. Storage media have a life span, so plan to re-copy most of your files when necessary, or when a new medium becomes dominant. chris - I was out taking photos this morning, and a chap started taking photos of the same statue. I noted that he had two cameras, one of which was digital and the other 35mm. Sometimes he took the same shot with both cameras and I got nosey and asked him why. He was very positive about digital, the quick access to prints, but had lost (on very rare occasions) the digital images and took a back up on film of a good composition. Make of that what you will, but it did not put me off digital, or make me happier with film. After all, there are many opportunities to ruin film between shooting and development! Malcolm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
In a message dated Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:48:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, Oliver Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a quickie: I've just brought a fire safe for some of my more 'important' negatives... and it let me a 'trollish' thread thought: What happens to the digital shooter when their hard disk crashes? When their CD gets scratched? Not saying I have the best answer -- be interested in any better suggestions -- but all digital photographs I'm interested in preserving are archived on at least two separate CDs. In other words I have two sets of CDs on which I archive them, and then if they're part of a project they go into whatever folder is relevant to that project, on yet another CD (or two). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: digital crashes
Burnable CD's do not have a long life span either. Assuming in 30 years time you have something to read them they would probably not work! I have some from jus tfive years ago and they are unreadable now and they have just been stored!!! To me it is a more serious concern then the 'pixel wars' What is going to happen to our history. P.S. Anyone in UK seen the Bacardi breezer ad with the cat watching football? Nearly split my sides laughing! Alan Shel Belinkoff wrote: Have more than one copy. Keep the original in one place, perhaps off in a safe deposit box, and make two or three backup copies, keeping one on your hard disk, another on tape, and a third on a CD. Keep them all in different places. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
And, IMHO one should also verify the data is properly recorded on the copies and that the recovery process (software/hardware) works. I see a half dozen or so major data/information losses each year where the backup process is executed flawlessly -- or nearly so, but the data is lost due to inadequate testing the recovery process. Otis Wright Shel Belinkoff wrote: Have more than one copy. Keep the original in one place, perhaps off in a safe deposit box, and make two or three backup copies, keeping one on your hard disk, another on tape, and a third on a CD. Keep them all in different places. Oliver Raymond wrote: What happens to the digital shooter when their hard disk crashes? When their CD gets scratched? Why? As a professional IT dude (apologies - i'm a MUCH better photographer), I would have thought a big old DLT 70GB tape would do.. (i do a little scanning once in a while) until I lost the tape drive, and several tapes due to physical errors Once someone can properly explain a SAFE solution to archiving, i'll pick up a d1, and maybe even use it over my 67ii :) -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
The world isn't limited to burnable CDs as a storage medium. You do have to update at times, however. Alan Abbott wrote: Burnable CD's do not have a long life span either. Assuming in 30 years time you have something to read them they would probably not work! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: digital crashes
How true but people put to much 'faith' in the damm things. I work on SQL databases and had one customer (a big international firm) that backed up to tape every night. They even checked the log to make sure that it was ok. It's a pity they didn't scroll down to see that the last set failed every night for four months!!! I got £2K for half a days work restoring the databases they lost £20M a day whilst they tried to work out why the backups would not restore! Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 17 February 2002 19:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: digital crashes The world isn't limited to burnable CDs as a storage medium. You do have to update at times, however. Alan Abbott wrote: Burnable CD's do not have a long life span either. Assuming in 30 years time you have something to read them they would probably not work! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: digital crashes
Otis Wright, Jr. wrote: And, IMHO one should also verify the data is properly recorded on the copies and that the recovery process (software/hardware) works. I see a half dozen or so major data/information losses each year where the backup process is executed flawlessly -- or nearly so, but the data is lost due to inadequate testing the recovery process. I heard a good story from an ex-Telecom guy here. Apparently they'd upgraded the software on an exchange and everything appeared to be going normally for several months, until one day when the whole thing turned to custard (crashed). It was so bad that they had to restore the system off their tape backups. What they didn't realise is that the software upgrade had a bug which was writing corrupt data to the tape. They keep about 6 months worth of tapes and they were all stuffed as the upgrade had been done a long time beforehand. All the data had to be re-entered by hand from written records. You can never be too paranoid about your backups... - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ (out of date) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
