Re: Ricehigh is at it again
From: Bob Sullivan So what's the price of the new K-7 ? ! ! If you've got me to pay $1,400 for a new K-7, I'll surely pay $1,500 for a full frame Pentax. Regards, Bob S. If memory serves, both the K-10D and K-20D debuted in that price range before falling back somewhat. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Doug Franklin Anthony Farr wrote: OTOH it's an interesting method of market research. Just fly a few extravagent kites and see how much interest they arouse. If the rumoured products are unpopular then the company merely disclaims them. Politicians and their ilk do it all the time. They call it a trial balloon. I thought that was Run it up the flag-pole and see who salutes! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Sessoms wrote: From: Doug Franklin Politicians and their ilk do it all the time. They call it a trial balloon. I thought that was Run it up the flag-pole and see who salutes! It /was/. Times change. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Sessoms wrote: From: Doug Franklin Anthony Farr wrote: OTOH it's an interesting method of market research. Just fly a few extravagent kites and see how much interest they arouse. If the rumoured products are unpopular then the company merely disclaims them. Politicians and their ilk do it all the time. They call it a trial balloon. I thought that was Run it up the flag-pole and see who salutes! I think you're confusing them with 1950's addmen. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, Popphoto - or perhaps PopCanikonoly acknowledges the K-7, in the usual condescendent wording... I loved when they found a way to go against the numbers in the K20d test. LF Ken Waller escreveu: You guys seriously think those leaks about the K-7 were unintentional??? All of them??? Hard to say, but I'm suspicious, given that the latest issue of the usual photo mags have no mention of the K-7. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again You guys seriously think those leaks about the K-7 were unintentional??? All of them??? I'd rather think some of those were intended to make noise, keep the noise up, and keep the noise still higher. No doudbt they made a lot of noise. No, I'm not taking any leaks as truth. But I think they're not so interested in identifying the leakers as the main ones are known and did it following orders. LF Mark Roberts escreveu: Joseph McAllister wrote: OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. I'm with you 100%! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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May I suggest a new acronym do mark the day when Pentax introduce a 24x36mm sensor in a K-mount DSLR: Pentax Full Format Time = PFFT I think that just about sums it up. Jostein 2009/5/26 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br: Since they're not offering some 35mm film camera and they're not offering some FF digital, there would be no need to develop some DFA lens. Assuming they are developing a DFA set of lenses, including a fairly expensive 1.0, they are probably developing the camera(s) that will be using those lenses. 35mm film or 35mm-sized digital, aka FF. Providing those lense just for the sake of we oltimers that still use 35mm cameras would be even more far fetched than building a FF digital. LF (all that assuming that information on lenses IS real, of course) Graydon escreveu: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Miserere scripsit: If this roadmap is for real, it means Pentax is releasing a FF camera, Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. Pentax can be: - making lenses that will work with the installed base of 35mm film cameras - making lenses that will work with a Samsung full frame camera, since Samsung has the money and grudge to go fight Sony - changed what DFA means, such as to with the adapter, works on the MF camera body It could even be all three of those at once. Or, of course, they could be contemplating a full frame camera, and want to give themselves some leeway with lenses depending on which way they make up their mind, and in the meantime, causing mass outbreaks of hope in the customer base is a fine thing. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: More than any new lenses, I'd really like to see a gen - u - ine Pentax teleconvertor that preserves auto focus. Where's the profit in that? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'll second that, but the DA*400/4 would be a great if expensive option. Reards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ken Waller [kwal...@peoplepc.com] Sent: 26 May 2009 21:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again More than any new lenses, I'd really like to see a gen - u - ine Pentax teleconvertor that preserves auto focus. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again I'm with Margus, I would really like to see about a 28mm or 30mm f/2 or better. I don't care if it's SDM though. 2009/5/26 Margus Männik mar...@eol.ee: Interesting, but where's the 30mm SDM f/whatever? BRM William Robb wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that 645 lenses are marked as DFA645 on those screenshots, but I was wondering the same thing. Why would Pentax make such a commitment to APSc lenses only to come back with 35mm full-frames later? Profit would be a grade A motivator. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:14:00PM -0400, Matthew Miller scripsit: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:07:52PM -0400, Graydon wrote: OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. While that is certainly not impossible, the marketing department is not likely to be happy at the prospect of having to explain they were only joking, no one could possibly have believed that, what do you mean you want one, about some if not all of those lenses. So I don't think it's obvious that it's fake. Why would it have to be Pentax's graphics department? Anyone could do it. *I* could do it. Sure, anyone could do it. But if the idea is to identify the leaker, you have to a)care, which means you work for Pentax, b)have a pretty good idea who the leaker is already (it was one of these five guys DOES NOT help in that kind of situation), and c)be able to do something with the information. I would think they would narrow it to a single figure group of potentials and then give them all subtley different versions of the map. The one that leaks will therefore be identifiable. If all you're trying to do is get egg on Rice High's face you would presumably not care about any of that, but the expose the leaker scenario requires that you *do* care about that, which means you're working for Pentax, and hopefully have the wits God gave a gannet concerning the sort of information you can safely fake leaking. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mike Wilson wrote, I would think they would narrow it to a single figure group of potentials and then give them all subtley different versions of the map. The one that leaks will therefore be identifiable. OTOH it's an interesting method of market research. Just fly a few extravagent kites and see how much interest they arouse. If the rumoured products are unpopular then the company merely disclaims them. My thoughts about the rumoured lenses are that it's an interesting marketing strategy to have a lens-driven rather than a camera-driven product line. Pentax won't overcome the customer perception of their cameras as also rans for a while yet, they've made nothing but second tier bodies for too long. However they have forged a solid reputation as Japan's most interesting OEM lens maker (Voigtlandter-Cosina being the most interesting aftermarket lens maker). Now, if they dropped a few 'must-have' lenses onto the market, photographers who want to use those lenses will be compelled to buy a Pentax camera regardless of whether they would have preferred to, or not. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) 2009/5/27 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:14:00PM -0400, Matthew Miller scripsit: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:07:52PM -0400, Graydon wrote: OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. While that is certainly not impossible, the marketing department is not likely to be happy at the prospect of having to explain they were only joking, no one could possibly have believed that, what do you mean you want one, about some if not all of those lenses. So I don't think it's obvious that it's fake. Why would it have to be Pentax's graphics department? Anyone could do it. *I* could do it. Sure, anyone could do it. But if the idea is to identify the leaker, you have to a)care, which means you work for Pentax, b)have a pretty good idea who the leaker is already (it was one of these five guys DOES NOT help in that kind of situation), and c)be able to do something with the information. I would think they would narrow it to a single figure group of potentials and then give them all subtley different versions of the map. The one that leaks will therefore be identifiable. If all you're trying to do is get egg on Rice High's face you would presumably not care about any of that, but the expose the leaker scenario requires that you *do* care about that, which means you're working for Pentax, and hopefully have the wits God gave a gannet concerning the sort of information you can safely fake leaking. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Joseph McAllister wrote: OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. I'm with you 100%! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Whittingham wrote: I'll second that, but the DA*400/4 would be a great if expensive option. I'd dearly love to have the DA* 400/4, but I doubt it's going to come in at a price I'm willing to pay. :-( -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Anthony Farr wrote: OTOH it's an interesting method of market research. Just fly a few extravagent kites and see how much interest they arouse. If the rumoured products are unpopular then the company merely disclaims them. Politicians and their ilk do it all the time. They call it a trial balloon. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:20:57PM +1000, Anthony Farr wrote: OTOH it's an interesting method of market research. Just fly a few extravagent kites and see how much interest they arouse. If the rumoured products are unpopular then the company merely disclaims them. Yeah, although based on the forum posts, I think there's a lot of people who want the f/1.0 lens because IN YOUR FACE CANON AND NIKON LOOOK AT HOW AWESOMES PENTAX IS OUR CAMERA BRAND RULZE111! And not because they'd actually spend the money to buy one. As you point out, that might not be a horrible strategy after all -- as long as Pentax is basically using it for advertising and sets their sales figures appropriately. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/27/09, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: IN YOUR FACE CANON AND NIKON LOOOK AT HOW AWESOMES PENTAX IS OUR CAMERA BRAND RULZE111! Mark! -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Anthony Farr Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again OTOH it's an interesting method of market research. Just fly a few extravagent kites and see how much interest they arouse. If the rumoured products are unpopular then the company merely disclaims them. You know you are talking about the way Canada is governed. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again On 5/27/09, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: IN YOUR FACE CANON AND NIKON LOOOK AT HOW AWESOMES PENTAX IS OUR CAMERA BRAND RULZE111! Mark! He slepz rulz wrong. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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srsly? regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) 2009/5/27 William Robb war...@gmail.com: He slepz rulz wrong. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:13 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again On 5/27/09, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: IN YOUR FACE CANON AND NIKON LOOOK AT HOW AWESOMES PENTAX IS OUR CAMERA BRAND RULZE111! Mark! He slepz rulz wrong. I never noticed. Dave William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/27/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again On 5/27/09, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: IN YOUR FACE CANON AND NIKON LOOOK AT HOW AWESOMES PENTAX IS OUR CAMERA BRAND RULZE111! Mark! He slepz rulz wrong. ORLY? -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You guys seriously think those leaks about the K-7 were unintentional??? All of them??? I'd rather think some of those were intended to make noise, keep the noise up, and keep the noise still higher. No doudbt they made a lot of noise. No, I'm not taking any leaks as truth. But I think they're not so interested in identifying the leakers as the main ones are known and did it following orders. LF Mark Roberts escreveu: Joseph McAllister wrote: OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. I'm with you 100%! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At the same time, if someone ould have interest in refraining potential buyers to get a k-7, I would have done exactly that. It may be real... but a 50 f/1.0 is very highly doubtful to me. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:08 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Check the as new prices of the A-1.4 X-S, 1.4 X-L the A 2.0 x-L (none of which allow auto focus) and you can get a decent price for auto focus convertor, more than quite a few of the existing lenses. I'm not an lens specialist, but there can't be much more involved with the design execution of an auto focus convertor. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: More than any new lenses, I'd really like to see a gen - u - ine Pentax teleconvertor that preserves auto focus. Where's the profit in that? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You guys seriously think those leaks about the K-7 were unintentional??? All of them??? Hard to say, but I'm suspicious, given that the latest issue of the usual photo mags have no mention of the K-7. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again You guys seriously think those leaks about the K-7 were unintentional??? All of them??? I'd rather think some of those were intended to make noise, keep the noise up, and keep the noise still higher. No doudbt they made a lot of noise. No, I'm not taking any leaks as truth. But I think they're not so interested in identifying the leakers as the main ones are known and did it following orders. LF Mark Roberts escreveu: Joseph McAllister wrote: OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. I'm with you 100%! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html I want that DA 400/4, and I want it now. As with everything Pentax puts out, I want them all, but the 400 and 50 f1.0 would be awesome. I really need a better job. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting, but where's the 30mm SDM f/whatever? BRM William Robb wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm with Margus, I would really like to see about a 28mm or 30mm f/2 or better. I don't care if it's SDM though. 2009/5/26 Margus Männik mar...@eol.ee: Interesting, but where's the 30mm SDM f/whatever? BRM William Robb wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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These pictures pops up every where. Can't help thinking there a hidden message in the finger :-) -- MaritimTim 2009/5/26 William Robb war...@gmail.com: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/5/26 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: These pictures pops up every where. Can't help thinking there a hidden message in the finger :-) You have to know how to read the fin(g)e(r) print, I guess. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, that's two 645 digital lens, two 35mm frame lens and two APS lenses... or am I wrong?? On the second photo there appears some DFA 55 f2.8??? I can't help but think Pentax has decided to make the news and magazines again, and those new cameras should offer some shock value, like the LX did some time ago. Back then there were only two cameras capable of real-time metering (during the exposure itself in longer exposures). Offering a very interesting set of cameras and lenses is a way to get into the news again - and that viral marketing is really efficient... LF William Robb escreveu: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The 400 would be nice. The K 400 f 5.6 i have is ok, but this sounds nice,.:-) The others i can do with out. Mark has a Sigma 180 macro that does a goo jib, something like that would be of interest. Dave On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:08:26PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html DFA* 50/1? That would go with the f1.0 K-7 top display pic. :) The idea of a 400/4 makes me happy; I'd rather a 150/2 macro than a 135/2.8 but I don't imagine all that many other people would. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I will copy'n'paste what I wrote on PF: Regarding an f/1.0 lens from Pentax: The 50mm f/1.4 has a rear element ~29mm in diameter, giving it an area of 660.5 sq.mm. The 50mm f/1.2 has a rear element diameter of ~35.5mm, giving it an area of 989.8 sq.mm. These numbers make sense: f/1.2 is 1/2 stop faster than f/1.4, so the area of its rear element should be 1.5 times larger; and it is. A 50mm f/1.0 lens would have a rear element twice the area of the f/1.4, which would mean its diameter would have to be square root of 2 larger. That gives us ~41mm. Take any K mount lens and measure that width; you'll see that the aperture lever would have to be removed in order to have a rear element that large and the glass would be very near the edge of the mount. End of paste. Anyone here who knows more about optical lens designs care to chime in? Would a smaller rear element do the job if the image circle were for DA? Not that it matters because the leak is DFA 50mm. If this roadmap is for real, it means Pentax is releasing a FF camera, which is not something I have faith will happen within the next 3 years. But like I often say: this *is* Pentax we're talking about--not making sense is what they do best. They also build some decent lenses. :-) Oh, and sign me up for a 50mm f/1 if it's under $1,000. DA 135mm F2.8 Limited? It's about frickin time! But how about a DA* 135mm f/2 on top of that? DFA* 20mm F2.8 SDM? What's 'star' about this lens? I have an FA 20mm f/2.8, nice and small, good IQ. What would make it a 'star' is if it were f/2. Anyway, this is all vapourware until Pentax tells us for real what's going on. But I will be VERY impressed if they manage to release the K-7, the 645D + DFA 645 lenses, and a FF + DFA lenses all within the same year. Forget impressed, I'd be bloody scared the end of the World is nigh! Off to buy a few hundred cans of tuna and spam. Just in case. --M. 2009/5/26 William Robb war...@gmail.com: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://enticingthelight.wordpress.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The size of the rear element is not what limits maximum lens speed for a given focal length, It's the size of the the front element. For an F1.0 lens the diameter of the front element Must always be at least the focal length in mm as an absolute minimum, and it's usually larger. jco -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:26 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again I will copy'n'paste what I wrote on PF: Regarding an f/1.0 lens from Pentax: The 50mm f/1.4 has a rear element ~29mm in diameter, giving it an area of 660.5 sq.mm. The 50mm f/1.2 has a rear element diameter of ~35.5mm, giving it an area of 989.8 sq.mm. These numbers make sense: f/1.2 is 1/2 stop faster than f/1.4, so the area of its rear element should be 1.5 times larger; and it is. A 50mm f/1.0 lens would have a rear element twice the area of the f/1.4, which would mean its diameter would have to be square root of 2 larger. That gives us ~41mm. Take any K mount lens and measure that width; you'll see that the aperture lever would have to be removed in order to have a rear element that large and the glass would be very near the edge of the mount. End of paste. Anyone here who knows more about optical lens designs care to chime in? Would a smaller rear element do the job if the image circle were for DA? Not that it matters because the leak is DFA 50mm. If this roadmap is for real, it means Pentax is releasing a FF camera, which is not something I have faith will happen within the next 3 years. But like I often say: this *is* Pentax we're talking about--not making sense is what they do best. They also build some decent lenses. :-) Oh, and sign me up for a 50mm f/1 if it's under $1,000. DA 135mm F2.8 Limited? It's about frickin time! But how about a DA* 135mm f/2 on top of that? DFA* 20mm F2.8 SDM? What's 'star' about this lens? I have an FA 20mm f/2.8, nice and small, good IQ. What would make it a 'star' is if it were f/2. Anyway, this is all vapourware until Pentax tells us for real what's going on. But I will be VERY impressed if they manage to release the K-7, the 645D + DFA 645 lenses, and a FF + DFA lenses all within the same year. Forget impressed, I'd be bloody scared the end of the World is nigh! Off to buy a few hundred cans of tuna and spam. Just in case. --M. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Miserere scripsit: If this roadmap is for real, it means Pentax is releasing a FF camera, Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. Pentax can be: - making lenses that will work with the installed base of 35mm film cameras - making lenses that will work with a Samsung full frame camera, since Samsung has the money and grudge to go fight Sony - changed what DFA means, such as to with the adapter, works on the MF camera body It could even be all three of those at once. Or, of course, they could be contemplating a full frame camera, and want to give themselves some leeway with lenses depending on which way they make up their mind, and in the meantime, causing mass outbreaks of hope in the customer base is a fine thing. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/5/09, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Regarding an f/1.0 lens from Pentax: The 50mm f/1.4 has a rear element ~29mm in diameter, giving it an area of 660.5 sq.mm. The 50mm f/1.2 has a rear element diameter of ~35.5mm, giving it an area of 989.8 sq.mm. These numbers make sense: f/1.2 is 1/2 stop faster than f/1.4, so the area of its rear element should be 1.5 times larger; and it is. A 50mm f/1.0 lens would have a rear element twice the area of the f/1.4, which would mean its diameter would have to be square root of 2 larger. That gives us ~41mm. Take any K mount lens and measure that width; you'll see that the aperture lever would have to be removed in order to have a rear element that large and the glass would be very near the edge of the mount. I'll meet your two paras and raise you whatever Adam maas says. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 26/5/09, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Regarding an f/1.0 lens from Pentax: The 50mm f/1.4 has a rear element ~29mm in diameter, giving it an area of 660.5 sq.mm. The 50mm f/1.2 has a rear element diameter of ~35.5mm, giving it an area of 989.8 sq.mm. These numbers make sense: f/1.2 is 1/2 stop faster than f/1.4, so the area of its rear element should be 1.5 times larger; and it is. A 50mm f/1.0 lens would have a rear element twice the area of the f/1.4, which would mean its diameter would have to be square root of 2 larger. That gives us ~41mm. Take any K mount lens and measure that width; you'll see that the aperture lever would have to be removed in order to have a rear element that large and the glass would be very near the edge of the mount. I'll meet your two paras and raise you whatever Adam maas says. -- Cheers, Cotty MARK! -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/5/26 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: I'll meet your two paras and raise you whatever Adam maas says. So you'll raise me a Mark!? How bewildering... ;-) --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://enticingthelight.wordpress.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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More than any new lenses, I'd really like to see a gen - u - ine Pentax teleconvertor that preserves auto focus. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again I'm with Margus, I would really like to see about a 28mm or 30mm f/2 or better. I don't care if it's SDM though. 2009/5/26 Margus Männik mar...@eol.ee: Interesting, but where's the 30mm SDM f/whatever? BRM William Robb wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Apparently it was voted off the island. Margus Männik wrote: Interesting, but where's the 30mm SDM f/whatever? BRM William Robb wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Since they're not offering some 35mm film camera and they're not offering some FF digital, there would be no need to develop some DFA lens. Assuming they are developing a DFA set of lenses, including a fairly expensive 1.0, they are probably developing the camera(s) that will be using those lenses. 35mm film or 35mm-sized digital, aka FF. Providing those lense just for the sake of we oltimers that still use 35mm cameras would be even more far fetched than building a FF digital. LF (all that assuming that information on lenses IS real, of course) Graydon escreveu: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Miserere scripsit: If this roadmap is for real, it means Pentax is releasing a FF camera, Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. Pentax can be: - making lenses that will work with the installed base of 35mm film cameras - making lenses that will work with a Samsung full frame camera, since Samsung has the money and grudge to go fight Sony - changed what DFA means, such as to with the adapter, works on the MF camera body It could even be all three of those at once. Or, of course, they could be contemplating a full frame camera, and want to give themselves some leeway with lenses depending on which way they make up their mind, and in the meantime, causing mass outbreaks of hope in the customer base is a fine thing. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/26/09, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: LF (all that assuming that information on lenses IS real, of course) I wouldn't put much faith in anything Ricewhine is spewing on about. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Are we sure the DFA lenses weren't for the 645? Those were characterized as DFA in the past. Paul On May 26, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Luiz Felipe wrote: Since they're not offering some 35mm film camera and they're not offering some FF digital, there would be no need to develop some DFA lens. Assuming they are developing a DFA set of lenses, including a fairly expensive 1.0, they are probably developing the camera(s) that will be using those lenses. 35mm film or 35mm-sized digital, aka FF. Providing those lense just for the sake of we oltimers that still use 35mm cameras would be even more far fetched than building a FF digital. LF (all that assuming that information on lenses IS real, of course) Graydon escreveu: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Miserere scripsit: If this roadmap is for real, it means Pentax is releasing a FF camera, Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. Pentax can be: - making lenses that will work with the installed base of 35mm film cameras - making lenses that will work with a Samsung full frame camera, since Samsung has the money and grudge to go fight Sony - changed what DFA means, such as to with the adapter, works on the MF camera body It could even be all three of those at once. Or, of course, they could be contemplating a full frame camera, and want to give themselves some leeway with lenses depending on which way they make up their mind, and in the meantime, causing mass outbreaks of hope in the customer base is a fine thing. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It appears that 645 lenses are marked as DFA645 on those screenshots, but I was wondering the same thing. Why would Pentax make such a commitment to APSc lenses only to come back with 35mm full-frames later? On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:26 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Are we sure the DFA lenses weren't for the 645? Those were characterized as DFA in the past. Paul On May 26, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Luiz Felipe wrote: Since they're not offering some 35mm film camera and they're not offering some FF digital, there would be no need to develop some DFA lens. Assuming they are developing a DFA set of lenses, including a fairly expensive 1.0, they are probably developing the camera(s) that will be using those lenses. 35mm film or 35mm-sized digital, aka FF. Providing those lense just for the sake of we oltimers that still use 35mm cameras would be even more far fetched than building a FF digital. LF (all that assuming that information on lenses IS real, of course) Graydon escreveu: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Miserere scripsit: If this roadmap is for real, it means Pentax is releasing a FF camera, Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. Pentax can be: - making lenses that will work with the installed base of 35mm film cameras - making lenses that will work with a Samsung full frame camera, since Samsung has the money and grudge to go fight Sony - changed what DFA means, such as to with the adapter, works on the MF camera body It could even be all three of those at once. Or, of course, they could be contemplating a full frame camera, and want to give themselves some leeway with lenses depending on which way they make up their mind, and in the meantime, causing mass outbreaks of hope in the customer base is a fine thing. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/26/09, Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that 645 lenses are marked as DFA645 on those screenshots, but I was wondering the same thing. Why would Pentax make such a commitment to APSc lenses only to come back with 35mm full-frames later? Probably because I've sent them about 4500 email messages, all from different accounts, asking for a new film body and lenses. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that 645 lenses are marked as DFA645 on those screenshots, but I was wondering the same thing. Why would Pentax make such a commitment to APSc lenses only to come back with 35mm full-frames later? Market pressure. The common view is that the market is headed towards full frame aside from the low-end of the consumer market. Pentax, by introducing FF glass where advantageous, is hedging its bets. I suspect they think that FF won't be viable below the $1500 or so pricepoint (and I agree with them there) as the price and size advantages of DX crop and APS-C sensors and lenses will make FF non-viable in the consumer market. People are going to pick the smaller, lighter camera when they buy the DSLR they don't need. And that's always going to be DX or APS-C. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 26, 2009, at 09:56 , Graydon wrote: Pentax can be: - making lenses that will work with the installed base of 35mm film cameras - making lenses that will work with a Samsung full frame camera, since Samsung has the money and grudge to go fight Sony - changed what DFA means, such as to with the adapter, works on the MF camera body It could even be all three of those at once. Or, of course, they could be contemplating a full frame camera, and want to give themselves some leeway with lenses depending on which way they make up their mind, and in the meantime, causing mass outbreaks of hope in the customer base is a fine thing. OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:35:58PM -0700, Joseph McAllister scripsit: [leaked lens map] OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. While that is certainly not impossible, the marketing department is not likely to be happy at the prospect of having to explain they were only joking, no one could possibly have believed that, what do you mean you want one, about some if not all of those lenses. So I don't think it's obvious that it's fake. -- Graydon, who hopes it's fake; the real one will surely have a DA* 800/4 ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:07:52PM -0400, Graydon wrote: OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. While that is certainly not impossible, the marketing department is not likely to be happy at the prospect of having to explain they were only joking, no one could possibly have believed that, what do you mean you want one, about some if not all of those lenses. So I don't think it's obvious that it's fake. Why would it have to be Pentax's graphics department? Anyone could do it. *I* could do it. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:14:00PM -0400, Matthew Miller scripsit: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:07:52PM -0400, Graydon wrote: OR, someone in the Graphic Arts department PhotoShopped a copy of the 'real' Lens Map to screw with (and bring out) the culprit who has been leaking stuff within Pentax's fold. That'd be my bet. While that is certainly not impossible, the marketing department is not likely to be happy at the prospect of having to explain they were only joking, no one could possibly have believed that, what do you mean you want one, about some if not all of those lenses. So I don't think it's obvious that it's fake. Why would it have to be Pentax's graphics department? Anyone could do it. *I* could do it. Sure, anyone could do it. But if the idea is to identify the leaker, you have to a)care, which means you work for Pentax, b)have a pretty good idea who the leaker is already (it was one of these five guys DOES NOT help in that kind of situation), and c)be able to do something with the information. If all you're trying to do is get egg on Rice High's face you would presumably not care about any of that, but the expose the leaker scenario requires that you *do* care about that, which means you're working for Pentax, and hopefully have the wits God gave a gannet concerning the sort of information you can safely fake leaking. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:58:54PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: The common view is that the market is headed towards full frame aside from the low-end of the consumer market. and I suspect [Pentax] think that FF won't be viable below the $1500 or so pricepoint (and I agree with them there). Taken together, those statements suggests that the low end of the consumer market extends up to around $1500. I think that's too high by at least a factor of two (or more); the low end will probably be $500 - $600 over the next couple of years, and the midrange will probably be $650 - $900. Anything over $1000 will already be at the high end of the consumer market; $1500 or more pushes you firmly into the advanced amateur / semi-pro segment. And if you are right about a FF camera selling for $1500 it's never going to be in the bulk consumer market (which I believe to be the case). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ricehigh is at it again
So what's the price of the new K-7 ? ! ! If you've got me to pay $1,400 for a new K-7, I'll surely pay $1,500 for a full frame Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:45 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:58:54PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: The common view is that the market is headed towards full frame aside from the low-end of the consumer market. and I suspect [Pentax] think that FF won't be viable below the $1500 or so pricepoint (and I agree with them there). Taken together, those statements suggests that the low end of the consumer market extends up to around $1500. I think that's too high by at least a factor of two (or more); the low end will probably be $500 - $600 over the next couple of years, and the midrange will probably be $650 - $900. Anything over $1000 will already be at the high end of the consumer market; $1500 or more pushes you firmly into the advanced amateur / semi-pro segment. And if you are right about a FF camera selling for $1500 it's never going to be in the bulk consumer market (which I believe to be the case). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:45 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:58:54PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: The common view is that the market is headed towards full frame aside from the low-end of the consumer market. and I suspect [Pentax] think that FF won't be viable below the $1500 or so pricepoint (and I agree with them there). Taken together, those statements suggests that the low end of the consumer market extends up to around $1500. I think that's too high by at least a factor of two (or more); the low end will probably be $500 - $600 over the next couple of years, and the midrange will probably be $650 - $900. You misunderstand me. I think that Nikon, Canon and Sony along with most of the press bloggers expect FF to be viable into around the $8-900 pricepoint or even a bit below that, Pentax on the other hand doesn't seem to see it being viable below the absolute top-end of the consumer market and I agree with them. Anything over $1000 will already be at the high end of the consumer market; $1500 or more pushes you firmly into the advanced amateur / semi-pro segment. And if you are right about a FF camera selling for $1500 it's never going to be in the bulk consumer market (which I believe to be the case). And that's exactly my point (and we've actually had $1500 FF cameras already, the 5D hit that in some places between discontinuation and the widespread realization that 5DmII supplies would be well below demand for months) -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Ricehigh is at it again
I want it yesterday! John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist [pnstenqu...@comcast.net] Sent: 26 May 2009 05:19 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again I want that DA 400/4, and I want it now. Paul On May 26, 2009, at 12:08 AM, William Robb wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It looks like release date street price for the K-7 will be about $1200. You'll probably be able to get one for $900 by the end of the year. Paul On May 26, 2009, at 11:49 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: So what's the price of the new K-7 ? ! ! If you've got me to pay $1,400 for a new K-7, I'll surely pay $1,500 for a full frame Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:45 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:58:54PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: The common view is that the market is headed towards full frame aside from the low-end of the consumer market. and I suspect [Pentax] think that FF won't be viable below the $1500 or so pricepoint (and I agree with them there). Taken together, those statements suggests that the low end of the consumer market extends up to around $1500. I think that's too high by at least a factor of two (or more); the low end will probably be $500 - $600 over the next couple of years, and the midrange will probably be $650 - $900. Anything over $1000 will already be at the high end of the consumer market; $1500 or more pushes you firmly into the advanced amateur / semi-pro segment. And if you are right about a FF camera selling for $1500 it's never going to be in the bulk consumer market (which I believe to be the case). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I want that DA 400/4, and I want it now. Paul On May 26, 2009, at 12:08 AM, William Robb wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:08:26PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html DFA* 50/1? That would go with the f1.0 K-7 top display pic. :) The idea of a 400/4 makes me happy; I'd rather a 150/2 macro than a 135/2.8 but I don't imagine all that many other people would. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ditto! - Original Message From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:19:35 PM Subject: Re: Ricehigh is at it again I want that DA 400/4, and I want it now. Paul On May 26, 2009, at 12:08 AM, William Robb wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ricehigh is at it again
I'd be interested in new 20 mm and 50/1 lenses, yes. But meanwhile I can keep shooting with 21 mm and 50/1.2 lenses that I already have. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: A leaked roadmap. Gleaned from ForumNeurotica http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-lens-roadmap-revamped-5-new-lenses.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
