Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
frank theriault wrote: All in all, it's a winner! Thanks very much, F/frank! Some months back, when I started seriously looking for photo info on the 'Net, I ran across PDML and saw the photo "Rule of Thirds" -- two tough guys standing against a wall. Wasn't that your photo, Frank? Whether it was yours or someone else's, I want to say, thanks, it really got me thinking. And it still does. Great shot. *>UncaMikey
RE: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
You're welcome. It was one of mine and it can be seen here: http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/streets/ What did it get you thinking about, or did it just get you thinking in general ;-)) For some reason your pic doesn't come up for me. Will try again later. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Unca Mikey > Some months back, when I started seriously looking for photo info on > the 'Net, I ran across PDML and saw the photo "Rule of Thirds" -- two > tough guys standing against a wall. Wasn't that your photo, Frank? > > Whether it was yours or someone else's, I want to say, thanks, it > really got me thinking. And it still does. Great shot. > > *>UncaMikey
RE: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're welcome. It was one of mine and it can be seen here: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/streets/ > > What did it get you thinking about, or did it just get you thinking > in general ;-)) > > For some reason your pic doesn't come up for me. Will try again > later. Yes, that's the shot! Your photograph helped motivate me to try to move from the mundane to the memorable in my own shooting. This shot, with its title, seemed a wonderful combination of a cold, analytical, formulaic rule of thumb with a visceral, emotional assault on the viewer. I am not sure I am explaining this well, but the "rule of thirds" title and composition draws the viewer into the photograph, while the subjects and their placement seemed to come back out and confront the viewer. Very interactive. Sounds a bit hoity toity la dee dah, huh? In any event, I think that photograph is stunning. >From what I have read on PDML, I think I may be headed for some sort of mental breakdown, being a big fan of both the Theriaultian and the Belinkoffian modes of seeing. Is my brain about to explode? *>UncaMikey __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
On 5/11/05, UncaMikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From what I have read on PDML, I think I may be headed for some sort of > mental breakdown, If you're here, the breakdown has likely already happened. > being a big fan of both the Theriaultian and the > Belinkoffian modes of seeing. Is my brain about to explode? No. It will implode (which pretty much amounts to the same thing in terms of post-event brain-functionality). cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
On 5/11/05, Unca Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks very much, F/frank! Yer welcome! > > Some months back, when I started seriously looking for photo info on > the 'Net, I ran across PDML and saw the photo "Rule of Thirds" -- two > tough guys standing against a wall. Wasn't that your photo, Frank? Nope (as you now know already). > > Whether it was yours or someone else's, I want to say, thanks, it > really got me thinking. And it still does. Great shot. I remember we had a great long flame war about the rule of thirds - okay, not quite a flame war but tempers ran pretty high. I think we also touched on whether there are "rules of composition" and such like that. Went on for days and days. I, of course, fell into the "Rules? What rules? There are no stinking rules!" category. Further, I believe I may have poo-poohed the idea of the human brain being hardwired to find images which comply with the rule of thirds to be pleasing. Until someone posted several of my pix, and pointed out to me that they all fit in quite nicely with the rule of thirds. Here, I hadn't even realized it when I composed them! Well, I don't know what to think now (not an unusual situation, I assure you ). Interesting stuff. And, yes, Shel's photo to which you refer is a terrific one (no surprise there...). cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
--- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I, of course, fell into the "Rules? What rules? There are no > stinking rules!" category. Further, I believe I may have poo-poohed > the idea of the human brain being hardwired to find images which > comply with the rule of thirds to be pleasing. > > Until someone posted several of my pix, and pointed out to me that > they all fit in quite nicely with the rule of thirds. Here, I hadn't > even realized it when I composed them! I know exactly what you mean. It can be a marvelous combination of the coldly analytical with the inexplicably irrational. Frank, I have only been to Toronto once (April '98). I had a good time, partying with a bunch of fellow Vietnam vets, but what I remember most is that we were walking in the Greek section, looking for a restaurant, when I saw a mouse in the gutter, scurrying along, broad daylight, oblivious to all about him. But I had no camera. *>UncaMikey __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
On 5/11/05, UncaMikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank, I have only been to Toronto once (April '98). I had a good > time, partying with a bunch of fellow Vietnam vets, but what I remember > most is that we were walking in the Greek section, looking for a > restaurant, when I saw a mouse in the gutter, scurrying along, broad > daylight, oblivious to all about him. But I had no camera. Ah, GreekTown. You were likely on the Danforth (it's actually Danforth Avenue, but no one calls it that; it's "the Danforth"). I live not too far from there, 1 block off Danforth, but a couple of miles east of Greektown. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
- Original Message - From: "UncaMikey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know exactly what you mean. It can be a marvelous combination of the coldly analytical with the inexplicably irrational. LOL... That could have been a Douglas Adams quote... Cheers, Jostein (still looking for his towel)
RE: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
Of course there are no rules. You may take pictures anyway you like. Hoewver, many people find images that are composed according to the golden section pleasing. If a line is devided into two parts - a and b - and the relation between "a" and "b" is: a/b = b/a+b. Then the line is devided according to the golden section. I believe the "rule of thirds" is some kind of a "poor mans golden section". It's not quite the same. http://www.ewersarchitecture.com/golden_section.htm http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/phi2DGeomTrig.html#ph i2D I have once read that scientist have shown, that what most people regard as a "pretty face", is actually "constucted" from pentagons, which are "in the golden section family". In nature many things are "constructed" from pentagons as well. When photographing I use this relation all the time - no matter if I wnat to or not. This "rule" is in fact embeded in my spine after half a century of taking pictures. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 12. maj 2005 04:51 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em On 5/11/05, UncaMikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From what I have read on PDML, I think I may be headed for some sort of > mental breakdown, If you're here, the breakdown has likely already happened. > being a big fan of both the Theriaultian and the > Belinkoffian modes of seeing. Is my brain about to explode? No. It will implode (which pretty much amounts to the same thing in terms of post-event brain-functionality). cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
The rule of thirds is a Rule of Thumb approximation of the golden section. I wouldn't call it a poor mans golden section more a quick engineering approximation, like using 3.14 for Pi. Jens Bladt wrote: Of course there are no rules. You may take pictures anyway you like. Hoewver, many people find images that are composed according to the golden section pleasing. If a line is devided into two parts - a and b - and the relation between "a" and "b" is: a/b = b/a+b. Then the line is devided according to the golden section. I believe the "rule of thirds" is some kind of a "poor mans golden section". It's not quite the same. http://www.ewersarchitecture.com/golden_section.htm http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/phi2DGeomTrig.html#ph i2D I have once read that scientist have shown, that what most people regard as a "pretty face", is actually "constucted" from pentagons, which are "in the golden section family". In nature many things are "constructed" from pentagons as well. When photographing I use this relation all the time - no matter if I wnat to or not. This "rule" is in fact embeded in my spine after half a century of taking pictures. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 12. maj 2005 04:51 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em On 5/11/05, UncaMikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From what I have read on PDML, I think I may be headed for some sort of mental breakdown, If you're here, the breakdown has likely already happened. being a big fan of both the Theriaultian and the Belinkoffian modes of seeing. Is my brain about to explode? No. It will implode (which pretty much amounts to the same thing in terms of post-event brain-functionality). cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
RE: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
it is a statistical rule really. Something on the lines of '9 out of 10 cats
prefer Kit-e-Kat'.
It appears to be true that people prefer pictures which have certain
geometrical patterns, subject matter and so on. Consequently people who
produce pictures are likely to be more successful (however that is measured)
if they are aware of these preferences, and make use of them. This could be
by deliberately flouting them in some circumstances.
I read somewhere recently, and I will try to trace the reference, that most
people prefer a landscape picture, seen from a strategic vantage point such
as the top of a valley, which includes a river and some kind of animals or
wildlife in the distance, with a heroic human figure in the middle distance,
on a third.
That may not be an absolutely accurate description, but it captures the
gist.
I think it's time for Thomas ("Painter of Light") Kincade to get his brushes
out.
--
Cheers,
Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 13 May 2005 18:11
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
>
> Of course there are no rules. You may take pictures anyway you like.
> Hoewver, many people find images that are composed according
> to the golden section pleasing.
>
> If a line is devided into two parts - a and b - and the
> relation between "a"
> and "b" is: a/b = b/a+b. Then the line is devided according
> to the golden section.
>
> I believe the "rule of thirds" is some kind of a "poor mans
> golden section".
> It's not quite the same.
>
> http://www.ewersarchitecture.com/golden_section.htm
> http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/phi2DGe
> omTrig.html#ph
> i2D
>
> I have once read that scientist have shown, that what most
> people regard as a "pretty face", is actually "constucted"
> from pentagons, which are "in the golden section family". In
> nature many things are "constructed" from pentagons as well.
>
> When photographing I use this relation all the time - no
> matter if I wnat to or not. This "rule" is in fact embeded in
> my spine after half a century of taking pictures.
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 12. maj 2005 04:51
> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Emne: Re: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
>
>
> On 5/11/05, UncaMikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From what I have read on PDML, I think I may be headed
> for some sort of
> > mental breakdown,
>
> If you're here, the breakdown has likely already happened.
>
> > being a big fan of both the Theriaultian and the
> Belinkoffian modes of
> > seeing. Is my brain about to explode?
>
> No. It will implode (which pretty much amounts to the same
> thing in terms of post-event brain-functionality).
>
>
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
>
>
>
>
RE: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
I've been checking my shots on the internet. It seems that 80-90% have a somewhat golden section composition. I may have to rethink my photographic apporach... Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: UncaMikey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 12. maj 2005 03:52 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're welcome. It was one of mine and it can be seen here: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/streets/ > > What did it get you thinking about, or did it just get you thinking > in general ;-)) > > For some reason your pic doesn't come up for me. Will try again > later. Yes, that's the shot! Your photograph helped motivate me to try to move from the mundane to the memorable in my own shooting. This shot, with its title, seemed a wonderful combination of a cold, analytical, formulaic rule of thumb with a visceral, emotional assault on the viewer. I am not sure I am explaining this well, but the "rule of thirds" title and composition draws the viewer into the photograph, while the subjects and their placement seemed to come back out and confront the viewer. Very interactive. Sounds a bit hoity toity la dee dah, huh? In any event, I think that photograph is stunning. >From what I have read on PDML, I think I may be headed for some sort of mental breakdown, being a big fan of both the Theriaultian and the Belinkoffian modes of seeing. Is my brain about to explode? *>UncaMikey __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
RE: Rule of thirds? Was Re: PESO: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em
--- Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been checking my shots on the internet. > It seems that 80-90% have a somewhat golden section composition. > I may have to rethink my photographic apporach... Be careful -- it's like riding a bike, if you think too much about what you're doing and why, you may fall off... Seriously, though, it seems the human brain is hardwired such that we find some visual arrangements pleasant, some unattractive. As with sounds, some chords appeal and others are just discordant noise. *>UncaMikey Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
