Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
Rapid snaps and I've changed out whole heads...the smiling one for the eyes closed one. Bob S. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:23 AM, David Mann wrote: > On May 29, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > >> A couple of additional thoughts. Place the tallest of the tallest in the >> center of the back row and do the same with the other row(s). >> Count down the shutter release and with each shot ask if anyone didn't see >> the flash go off. If not, they blinked. > > Our wedding photographer took a bunch of rapid-fire "copies" of each group > shot. Someone's bound to have their eyes closed. > > I've been told that school photographers will copy a set of eyes across from > another kid in the group... > > Dave > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
On May 29, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > A couple of additional thoughts. Place the tallest of the tallest in the > center of the back row and do the same with the other row(s). > Count down the shutter release and with each shot ask if anyone didn't see > the flash go off. If not, they blinked. Our wedding photographer took a bunch of rapid-fire "copies" of each group shot. Someone's bound to have their eyes closed. I've been told that school photographers will copy a set of eyes across from another kid in the group... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A couple of additional thoughts. Place the tallest of the tallest in the center of the back row and do the same with the other row(s). Count down the shutter release and with each shot ask if anyone didn't see the flash go off. If not, they blinked. Tell them not to break and run after each shot as you are going to pull up and review each shot, looking for closed eyes..etc. Make room on one end for the coach. Don't think you need to be advised, but take along a couple lenses and camera bodies. Jack - Forwarded Message - From: Jack Davis To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought Would think the 30mm Sigma would serve nicely. Will there be bleachers to allow seating in three rows? Will you have directional options to take advantage of sunlight? You may need to use defused flash to light up faces under the bill of their caps. Tallest to the back..etc. Post the results. Tim. Best of luck! Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com - Original Message - From: Tim Bray To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 8:42 AM Subject: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought Since the Little League’s “real photographer” is unavailable, I’ve been asked to shoot the annual portrait of the 45 “graduating” 12-year-old players and get 5x7’s made for them. Group shot, not portraits. I’ve never done anything remotely like this and if anyone here has, advice would be welcome. Not just cameras but composition/procedure/whatever. It’ll be on the grass by the traditional-looking scoreboard. This will be the K-5. My thinking is that even if we can squeeze them into 3 rows (and it may just be 2), it’s a pretty wide shot. So I’m thinking of my wide lenses, the 21mm Limited and 30mm Sigma f1.4. My *sharpest* lenses are the 100mm Macro and 50-135, but I don’t think either are gonna work in this scenario. This is where having the 18-55 might be useful... Anyhow, any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
On 28/05/2012 11:22 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: Oh, and one other thing. You'll have problems with tall kids blocking the short kids, etc. It can help if you tell them over and over "if you can't see the camera, you need to move. If you can't see the camera, the camera can't see you." Any time I'm shooting large groups, I find a perch that puts me above them, be it a ladder, a set of bleachers, or whatever. I'm not averse to backing up a quite a distance if I need to in order to get a higher point of view. I once shot a large group picture (a hundred or so Army Cadets) with an 85mm lens (on APS-C digital) because I had backed up that far to get my vantage point. If the photographer is above the group, it is much easier to ensure that everyone will be visible. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
Tim, as of recently I've been doing my school shooting with DA* 16-50. Prior to that it was Sigma 24-60 and before that Tamron 28-75. I suggest you start with Sigma 30/1.4 (you will appreciate the sharpness and the relative lack of distortion towards the borders of the frame). If it ain't enough, you can swap to DA 21. I think 18-55 may be problematic unless you intend to do your shooting at ample daylight at f/6.3-f/8. If at all possible, I do suggest you bring 50-135 too, as if you have enough room, it may prove to be your best bet. Boris On 5/28/2012 18:42, Tim Bray wrote: Since the Little League’s “real photographer” is unavailable, I’ve been asked to shoot the annual portrait of the 45 “graduating” 12-year-old players and get 5x7’s made for them. Group shot, not portraits. I’ve never done anything remotely like this and if anyone here has, advice would be welcome. Not just cameras but composition/procedure/whatever. It’ll be on the grass by the traditional-looking scoreboard. This will be the K-5. My thinking is that even if we can squeeze them into 3 rows (and it may just be 2), it’s a pretty wide shot. So I’m thinking of my wide lenses, the 21mm Limited and 30mm Sigma f1.4. My *sharpest* lenses are the 100mm Macro and 50-135, but I don’t think either are gonna work in this scenario.This is where having the 18-55 might be useful... Anyhow, any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
You'll want to use the shortest lens you have that doesn't produce visible distortion, 24mm would be ideal, the 21 is probably too wide to be acceptable, so it looks like the 30mm is it. The sharpest lens isn't required since the output is only going to be a 5x7, any lens with reasonable sharpness and contrast will be good enough. Try too get a look at the shots taken in the past to see what the regular guy did for composition, it'll give you a rough guide of what they want. On 5/28/2012 11:42 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Since the Little League’s “real photographer” is unavailable, I’ve been asked to shoot the annual portrait of the 45 “graduating” 12-year-old players and get 5x7’s made for them. Group shot, not portraits. I’ve never done anything remotely like this and if anyone here has, advice would be welcome. Not just cameras but composition/procedure/whatever. It’ll be on the grass by the traditional-looking scoreboard. This will be the K-5. My thinking is that even if we can squeeze them into 3 rows (and it may just be 2), it’s a pretty wide shot. So I’m thinking of my wide lenses, the 21mm Limited and 30mm Sigma f1.4. My *sharpest* lenses are the 100mm Macro and 50-135, but I don’t think either are gonna work in this scenario.This is where having the 18-55 might be useful... Anyhow, any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. -T -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
Oh, and one other thing. You'll have problems with tall kids blocking the short kids, etc. It can help if you tell them over and over "if you can't see the camera, you need to move. If you can't see the camera, the camera can't see you." stan On May 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > Since the Little League’s “real photographer” is unavailable, I’ve > been asked to shoot the annual portrait of the 45 “graduating” > 12-year-old players and get 5x7’s made for them. Group shot, not > portraits. I’ve never done anything remotely like this and if anyone > here has, advice would be welcome. Not just cameras but > composition/procedure/whatever. > > It’ll be on the grass by the traditional-looking scoreboard. > > This will be the K-5. My thinking is that even if we can squeeze them > into 3 rows (and it may just be 2), it’s a pretty wide shot. So I’m > thinking of my wide lenses, the 21mm Limited and 30mm Sigma f1.4. My > *sharpest* lenses are the 100mm Macro and 50-135, but I don’t think > either are gonna work in this scenario.This is where having the > 18-55 might be useful... > > Anyhow, any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. -T > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
I would use the 21mm. Depth of field is going to be more of an issue than sharpness when doing a group photo like this, and the wider lens will thus better serve you. Another random thought - take along a 3x5 or 4x6 card with a rectangle cut-out in 5x7 proportions: you can use that as a viewing/composition aid when arranging the mob of kids so that you don't have a bunch of wasted empty space in the frame when you crop and print the 5x7's. stan On May 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > Since the Little League’s “real photographer” is unavailable, I’ve > been asked to shoot the annual portrait of the 45 “graduating” > 12-year-old players and get 5x7’s made for them. Group shot, not > portraits. I’ve never done anything remotely like this and if anyone > here has, advice would be welcome. Not just cameras but > composition/procedure/whatever. > > It’ll be on the grass by the traditional-looking scoreboard. > > This will be the K-5. My thinking is that even if we can squeeze them > into 3 rows (and it may just be 2), it’s a pretty wide shot. So I’m > thinking of my wide lenses, the 21mm Limited and 30mm Sigma f1.4. My > *sharpest* lenses are the 100mm Macro and 50-135, but I don’t think > either are gonna work in this scenario.This is where having the > 18-55 might be useful... > > Anyhow, any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. -T > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
Would think the 30mm Sigma would serve nicely. Will there be bleachers to allow seating in three rows? Will you have directional options to take advantage of sunlight? You may need to use defused flash to light up faces under the bill of their caps. Tallest to the back..etc. Post the results. Tim. Best of luck! Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com - Original Message - From: Tim Bray To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 8:42 AM Subject: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought Since the Little League’s “real photographer” is unavailable, I’ve been asked to shoot the annual portrait of the 45 “graduating” 12-year-old players and get 5x7’s made for them. Group shot, not portraits. I’ve never done anything remotely like this and if anyone here has, advice would be welcome. Not just cameras but composition/procedure/whatever. It’ll be on the grass by the traditional-looking scoreboard. This will be the K-5. My thinking is that even if we can squeeze them into 3 rows (and it may just be 2), it’s a pretty wide shot. So I’m thinking of my wide lenses, the 21mm Limited and 30mm Sigma f1.4. My *sharpest* lenses are the 100mm Macro and 50-135, but I don’t think either are gonna work in this scenario. This is where having the 18-55 might be useful... Anyhow, any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought
Since the Little League’s “real photographer” is unavailable, I’ve been asked to shoot the annual portrait of the 45 “graduating” 12-year-old players and get 5x7’s made for them. Group shot, not portraits. I’ve never done anything remotely like this and if anyone here has, advice would be welcome. Not just cameras but composition/procedure/whatever. It’ll be on the grass by the traditional-looking scoreboard. This will be the K-5. My thinking is that even if we can squeeze them into 3 rows (and it may just be 2), it’s a pretty wide shot. So I’m thinking of my wide lenses, the 21mm Limited and 30mm Sigma f1.4. My *sharpest* lenses are the 100mm Macro and 50-135, but I don’t think either are gonna work in this scenario.This is where having the 18-55 might be useful... Anyhow, any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
