Re: TTL ringlight flash
There are quite a few ringflashes at BH, costing to over $1200. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=1sb=pspn=1sq=descInitialSearch=yesO=SearchBarA=searchQ=*shs=ring+flashimage.x=9image.y=9 There are only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a Vivitar. They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a bit weary about buying one that is so cheap. -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PAW - Grasshopper (was: Re: TTL ringlight flash)
Previously: Looking back through my archives, I've shot probably 100 images using the Vivitar 6000AF ring flash with the D. No trouble to report, and generally the exposures were pretty good. Now: Thanks, Christian. I guess I'm just nervous after what this flash did to my PZ-1p. Nice shot. Easy to close out that ring light reflection. Joe
RE: PAW - Grasshopper (was: Re: TTL ringlight flash)
Wow, Great Shot, Christian!! That's amazing detail, and I really like the framing (cutting off the rear of it's body, to concentrate on the upper half, including the head). Otherwise, wonderful composition, great vivid colours. It rocks. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Grasshopper (was: Re: TTL ringlight flash) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:58:27 -0400 Looking back through my archives, I've shot probably 100 images using the Vivitar 6000AF ring flash with the D. No trouble to report, and generally the exposures were pretty good. Here is image number 14 from my first *ist D http://home.mindspring.com/~c_skofteland/id12.html you can see the ring flash reflected in its eye. iso 200, f16 @1/150 Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re: TTL ringlight flash Previously: I bought a cheap Vivitar ring light that does ONLY TTL. I used it once on my D and it seemed ok I'll play with it tonight and send you some results so you can see for yourself. I don't believe it has a very high GN. Ah, here it is: http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html#6000AF GN 59 (ISO 100/Ft). Now: I bought a used Vivitar 6000 macro flash for Pentax from a former list member. When I tried it on my PZ-1p, the mirror wouldn't return. Although the flash is stated to be for Pentax, the voltages are apparently incompatible. Consequently, this flash will not be allowed near the expensive electronics of my *ist D. The PZ-1p, incidentally, was brought back to life by removing the flash, then turning the camera on and off several times. I think the camera is okay, but I am reluctant to try any more inexpensive non-Pentax flashes. Joe _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW - Grasshopper (was: Re: TTL ringlight flash)
Christian, See, when un-knowing schmucks like me really like something of yours, ya can't ruin it by telling me what's wrong with it. I'd have never known. I don't know macro photography from a hole in the wall - not that that'll stop me from commenting vbg. Light background, dark background - Whatever! You may not have liked the composition, but to me it was different - not many bug pix crop out half the little beast. But, I thought it worked. And, I liked it, so there! vbg Good luck with those cicadas, BTW. (I believe that's the first time in my life I've ever expressed that particular sentiment vbg) cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW - Grasshopper (was: Re: TTL ringlight flash) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:11:56 -0400 Thanks Frank. Personally I consider it mediocre at best. I posted it because of the ring-flash discussion. I'm happy with the detail but think the composition could have been better. I have to learn to get the backgrounds light when using flash for close-up photography. Lots of chances soon with the 17-year cicadas! Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: RE: PAW - Grasshopper (was: Re: TTL ringlight flash) Wow, Great Shot, Christian!! That's amazing detail, and I really like the framing (cutting off the rear of it's body, to concentrate on the upper half, including the head). Otherwise, wonderful composition, great vivid colours. It rocks. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Grasshopper (was: Re: TTL ringlight flash) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:58:27 -0400 Looking back through my archives, I've shot probably 100 images using the Vivitar 6000AF ring flash with the D. No trouble to report, and generally the exposures were pretty good. Here is image number 14 from my first *ist D http://home.mindspring.com/~c_skofteland/id12.html you can see the ring flash reflected in its eye. iso 200, f16 @1/150 Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re: TTL ringlight flash Previously: I bought a cheap Vivitar ring light that does ONLY TTL. I used it once on my D and it seemed ok I'll play with it tonight and send you some results so you can see for yourself. I don't believe it has a very high GN. Ah, here it is: http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html#6000AF GN 59 (ISO 100/Ft). Now: I bought a used Vivitar 6000 macro flash for Pentax from a former list member. When I tried it on my PZ-1p, the mirror wouldn't return. Although the flash is stated to be for Pentax, the voltages are apparently incompatible. Consequently, this flash will not be allowed near the expensive electronics of my *ist D. The PZ-1p, incidentally, was brought back to life by removing the flash, then turning the camera on and off several times. I think the camera is okay, but I am reluctant to try any more inexpensive non-Pentax flashes. Joe _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: TTL ringlight flash
- Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography Subject: WTB: TTL ringlight flash Hi guys, I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with my *istD. Preferably something with a fairly high guide number. I have a fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for. There are only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a Vivitar. They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a bit weary about buying one that is so cheap. I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone would like to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands. If you are international, I would have to pay via Paypal though. I have the AF80C (no, you can't have it), and while it is a fine unit, high powered it ain't. Look for the AF140C (?). William Robb
Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with my *istD. Preferably something with a fairly high guide number. Not a high GN, but KEH has a used AF080C at $172. No, you can't have mine either :-) It's been a while since I last saw a used AF140C; BH has it new at $400. HTH, Kostas
Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash
Tanya spent too much time in the Outback and fried her brain then wrote: I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with my *istD. Preferably something with a fairly high guide number. I have a fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for. There are only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a Vivitar. They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a bit weary about buying one that is so cheap. I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone would like to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands. If you are international, I would have to pay via Paypal though. I'm not sure that any current market ringlights work with the *stD. The TTL flashes that work by reading the light bouncing off the film are a problem with many digital cameras. I don't know if that is the case with Pentax but I do know that the only one that works properly with the Canon digital cameras in TTL mode is the very high priced Canon unit. If I were you, I'd investigate this issue thoroughly before I bought one for use with a digital body. Most ringlight flashes are made for macro photography and are significantly underpowered for any working distance greater than a few feet. Make sure whatever you buy is packing enough power to do what you want it to do. You may decide that a shoe mounted flash and diffuser will be a better method to get a similar effect. I will have both the Phoenix and AF080C units with me at GFM. You're welcome to try them with the *stD and see if they work for you. I know that doesn't help you with your fashion shoot. Tom Reese
Re: TTL ringlight flash
Tanya; I bought a cheap Vivitar ring light that does ONLY TTL. I used it once on my D and it seemed ok I'll play with it tonight and send you some results so you can see for yourself. I don't believe it has a very high GN. Ah, here it is: http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html#6000AF GN 59 (ISO 100/Ft). Personally I'd like to get an AF 140C but they are way out of my price range at this point. The nice thing about the 140 is the ability to use one or both tubes for better light control. More later! Christian - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: WTB: TTL ringlight flash Hi guys, I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with my *istD. Preferably something with a fairly high guide number. I have a fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for. There are only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a Vivitar. They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a bit weary about buying one that is so cheap. I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone would like to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands. If you are international, I would have to pay via Paypal though. TIA, tan.
Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash
From: Tom Reese Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:51 AM Subject: Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash Tanya spent too much time in the Outback and fried her brain then wrote: hehe, naah, you gotta have something to fry in the first place! ;-) If I were you, I'd investigate this issue thoroughly before I bought one for use with a digital body. Can anyone else add to this? Why would a ring light flash work any differently than a normal flash? I mean light is light is light, right? (lol). I am well aware of the TTL problems with the *ist D as you all know, and I am not sure if I read it correctly, but the way Tom explains it, to me, it reads that the ring light may have even worse TTL capabilities than a normal flashgun such as the AF360fgz. I am totally confused by this, can anyone shed some light? Most ringlight flashes are made for macro photography and are significantly underpowered for any working distance greater than a few feet. Make sure whatever you buy is packing enough power to do what you want it to do. You may decide that a shoe mounted flash and diffuser will be a better method to get a similar effect. Nope, tried it! I've never been able to recreate the effect using straight hotshoe mounted flash guns. The type of images that I am referring to all have that tell tale giveaway circular shaped catch lights in the models eyes! I will mainly be shooting teens and kids for this shoot, so distance really isn't that much of an issue. I can really get in as close as I need to. The reason for me hoping for a higher guide number however is in order to be able to overcome shadows from the sun. The shoot will be outside, on the beach, full sun in the middle of the day, so I will need all the power I can get! I will have both the Phoenix and AF080C units with me at GFM. You're welcome to try them with the *stD and see if they work for you. I know that doesn't help you with your fashion shoot. Nope, it won't, but even so, that is a wonderful offer Tom, and I would be most excited to take you up on it! Thanks heaps! tan.
Re: TTL ringlight flash
Christian, that would be great, I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with. And now, at 3am I am off to bed! lol. tan. - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:54 AM Subject: Re: TTL ringlight flash Tanya; I bought a cheap Vivitar ring light that does ONLY TTL. I used it once on my D and it seemed ok I'll play with it tonight and send you some results so you can see for yourself. I don't believe it has a very high GN. Ah, here it is: http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html#6000AF GN 59 (ISO 100/Ft). Personally I'd like to get an AF 140C but they are way out of my price range at this point. The nice thing about the 140 is the ability to use one or both tubes for better light control. More later! Christian - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: WTB: TTL ringlight flash Hi guys, I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with my *istD. Preferably something with a fairly high guide number. I have a fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for. There are only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a Vivitar. They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a bit weary about buying one that is so cheap. I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone would like to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands. If you are international, I would have to pay via Paypal though. TIA, tan.
RE: WTB: TTL ringlight flash
-Original Message- From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nope, tried it! I've never been able to recreate the effect using straight hotshoe mounted flash guns. The type of images that I am referring to all have that tell tale giveaway circular shaped catch lights in the models eyes! I will mainly be shooting teens and kids for this shoot, so distance really isn't that much of an issue. I can really get in as close as I need to. The ringlights used for fashion are really quite big, like this - http://www.calumetphoto.com/syrinx/ctl?PAGE=Controllerac.ui.pn=cat.CatItemD etailac.item.itemNo=CE2309ac.cat.CatTreeSearch.detail=ytype=SPDSEARCH I looked into getting a ringlight as well, but was told by everyone I asked that a macro ringlight just wouldn't cut it. I still thought I could get away with it by shooting at f/2 or 1.4 (like I often do) and setting iso at 800 or 1600 if necessary, but I shelved the idea for 3 reasons - macro ringlights are quite small in comparison to fashion ringlights and the typical look of a fashion ringlight would be diminished in the same way the diffusion of an umbrella is reduced by distance. Second, I carry enough gear as it is3rd it seemed an awful lot of work and experimentation for a look that many consider dated... However, the idea has been percolating in my head for a while and I may still try and pick up a cheap sunpak or viv off ebay and play with it. tv
Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash
I know Nick! I've already emailed the seller about it, but thanks for the heads up and also the info! lol. tan. - Original Message - From: Nick Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: RE: WTB: TTL ringlight flash I've had good results with the Pentax AF-140C ringflash and the *istD for macro work. I don't know how good it would be for portraiture, but I've used it with 50 ISO film at f16 for macro, and it's effective range would be boosted by the higher ISO of the *istD. It uses TTL metering rather than PTTL. I know it's bad form to mention if there's one currently on eBay, so I won't. ;-) (Well it is Tanya!) Nick. -Original Message- From: Tanya Mayer Photography[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20/04/04 15:56:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WTB: TTL ringlight flash Hi guys, I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with my *istD. Preferably something with a fairly high guide number. I have a fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for. There are only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a Vivitar. They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a bit weary about buying one that is so cheap. I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone would like to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands. If you are international, I would have to pay via Paypal though. TIA, tan.
PAW - Grasshopper (was: Re: TTL ringlight flash)
Looking back through my archives, I've shot probably 100 images using the Vivitar 6000AF ring flash with the D. No trouble to report, and generally the exposures were pretty good. Here is image number 14 from my first *ist D http://home.mindspring.com/~c_skofteland/id12.html you can see the ring flash reflected in its eye. iso 200, f16 @1/150 Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re: TTL ringlight flash Previously: I bought a cheap Vivitar ring light that does ONLY TTL. I used it once on my D and it seemed ok I'll play with it tonight and send you some results so you can see for yourself. I don't believe it has a very high GN. Ah, here it is: http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html#6000AF GN 59 (ISO 100/Ft). Now: I bought a used Vivitar 6000 macro flash for Pentax from a former list member. When I tried it on my PZ-1p, the mirror wouldn't return. Although the flash is stated to be for Pentax, the voltages are apparently incompatible. Consequently, this flash will not be allowed near the expensive electronics of my *ist D. The PZ-1p, incidentally, was brought back to life by removing the flash, then turning the camera on and off several times. I think the camera is okay, but I am reluctant to try any more inexpensive non-Pentax flashes. Joe
Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash
Tan; Another possibility is to buy a Sunpak 622 super and get the ring light head for it. The standard zoom head also works very well for wedding work GN 60m/200ft at normal lens setting. I don't know what the ring light gn is but it should be in the 100-150 (ft) range I believe. I used a 622 super when I did weddings. My only complaint is that the detents on the head weren't strong enough, but easily solved with a rubber band and a couple popsicle sticks. Maxwell's in Oz carries Sunpak http://www.maxwell.com.au I can't find anything on the gn on the ring light. If you contact them perhaps you can get an answer. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
