Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, The term medium format is quite arbitrary in any case, isn't it? I believe the distinction between medium and small format has been kept at least to a certain degree in terms of market segment as well as the negative format, though - i.e. digital cameras from traditional medium format vendors have larger sensors than the ones that descended from 35mm bodies, and are sold to some of the same people. I don't know that medium format as a type designation is arbitrary at all. It denotes cameras that used 120/220 sized roll film, with a range of capture format sizings from 6x4.5 to 6x17 cm. I said that the *term* is arbitrary. As in why is it exactly that format range you mention that's defined as medium? One might easily refer to a (possibly different) size or range of sizes for digital cameras as Medium Format, too, as this isn't exactly a trademarked name, or an ISO standard (I believe) or anything. Talking about 35mm digital cameras is obviously a lot more problematic, since 35mm is a specific size (unless the sensor actually is 35mm in one dimension.) - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quibble on. Mark! A good day for it, apparently. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
In fact this whole debate (whoever is right) has no point. Leica did name their new camera S2 because an S1 existed already. Of course they might have named it with any other letter than S... Everything has absolutely no importance (again, being right or not by nitpicking words, both sides). -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, The term medium format is quite arbitrary in any case, isn't it? I believe the distinction between medium and small format has been kept at least to a certain degree in terms of market segment as well as the negative format, though - i.e. digital cameras from traditional medium format vendors have larger sensors than the ones that descended from 35mm bodies, and are sold to some of the same people. I don't know that medium format as a type designation is arbitrary at all. It denotes cameras that used 120/220 sized roll film, with a range of capture format sizings from 6x4.5 to 6x17 cm. I said that the *term* is arbitrary. As in why is it exactly that format range you mention that's defined as medium? One might easily refer to a (possibly different) size or range of sizes for digital cameras as Medium Format, too, ... Sure if you don't want anyone else to understand what you're talking about. In that sense, all of language is arbitrary, jnigg de bklop NA? usw Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. How can you tell? It's just a prototype at present. G Well, let me re-phrase: *IST D, K10D do ... at least get closer than what is claimed for the Leica prototype. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:14 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. How can you tell? It's just a prototype at present. G Well, let me re-phrase: *IST D, K10D do ... at least get closer than what is claimed for the Leica prototype. lol And ... I visited my friends at the local commercial/high end photo outlet today as I hadn't been in to say hello for a couple of months. One of the owners is at Photokina, the other was at her desk. We spent a half hour talking about business and stuff. Sight and price unseen, they've got 10-15 firm pre-orders for the Leica S2 already. So ... anyone cogitating that this is too expensive for pro photographers and would not sell, think again. Evidently, a lot of commercial photographers have been waiting for exactly this kind of kit to become available. Come on, Pentax: Get that P645D out there! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
lol And ... I visited my friends at the local commercial/high end photo outlet today as I hadn't been in to say hello for a couple of months. One of the owners is at Photokina, the other was at her desk. We spent a half hour talking about business and stuff. Sight and price unseen, they've got 10-15 firm pre-orders for the Leica S2 already. So ... anyone cogitating that this is too expensive for pro photographers and would not sell, think again. Evidently, a lot of commercial photographers have been waiting for exactly this kind of kit to become available. Come on, Pentax: Get that P645D out there! http://www.s.leica-camera.com/ I think it's a beautiful-looking camera - clean lines, simple, plain - Bauhaus meets Shaker. If I had that kind of money I'd buy one. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Sight and price unseen, they've got 10-15 firm pre-orders for the Leica S2 already. So ... anyone cogitating that this is too expensive for pro photographers and would not sell, think again. Evidently, a lot of commercial photographers have been waiting for exactly this kind of kit to become available. Heck, it'll probably be a bit over $30k in the U.S. If it's competitive with other MF digital systems (and I certainly expect it to be) they'll sell quite a few. Just think: In that market you can now get the Leica name *without* paying more than you would for one of the competing brands! :) Don't think I'll be one of the buyers though... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Don't think I'll be one of the buyers though... Whether I'll be one of the buyers depends on where my photography goes. Right now, that's not my direction. But there's nothing to say that it won't be in a year or two. I don't like to put too many boundaries on where my work might take me. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
they will certainly have consulted a great many very serious photographers about the design and functionality of this camera. Remember how many M cameras they tested and gave away to people in Magnum over the years. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some of the biggest names in photography had been involved in this in some capacity. I wonder what happened to the S1, or are they continuing the M tradition of non-sequential numbering? Bob Heck, it'll probably be a bit over $30k in the U.S. If it's competitive with other MF digital systems (and I certainly expect it to be) they'll sell quite a few. Just think: In that market you can now get the Leica name *without* paying more than you would for one of the competing brands! :) Don't think I'll be one of the buyers though... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Sight and price unseen, they've got 10-15 firm pre-orders for the Leica S2 already. So ... anyone cogitating that this is too expensive for pro photographers and would not sell, think again. Evidently, a lot of commercial photographers have been waiting for exactly this kind of kit to become available. Heck, it'll probably be a bit over $30k in the U.S. If it's competitive with other MF digital systems (and I certainly expect it to be) they'll sell quite a few. Just think: In that market you can now get the Leica name *without* paying more than you would for one of the competing brands! :) From where I'm standing, Leica looks like much less of a name in the MF market than in 35mm, comparatively speaking. Meaning that Hasselblad seems at least as big. Also, like I said elsewhere, there seems to be a budget variant with a spec nearly on the same level (31Mp sensor, I think) giving you the latter name now. But I suppose this doesn't really count for the ones with too much money between their hands that we are talking about here... But what do I know. I didn't really think a digital Leica M made any sense, either, yet a lot of people seem to be awfully exited about it. - T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: From where I'm standing, Leica looks like much less of a name in the MF market than in 35mm, comparatively speaking. Meaning that Hasselblad seems at least as big. Leica never made a medium format film camera. So they have no name in medium format camera circles. Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, and the only names in that marketplace, to date, are Hasselblad/Fuji, PhaseOne, and Leaf/Rollei. That makes it a pretty nice market with only a few competitors, selling only pretty high-end gear, all of which is, by definition, pretty new. Established leadership there is up for grabs. I do think it would be nice if Hoya/Pentax would get their collective arse moving on that front with the 645D. I'm sure they have business reasons for the delays to deal with, but there are a lot of Pentax MF users who would be made happy with the release of this camera. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: From where I'm standing, Leica looks like much less of a name in the MF market than in 35mm, comparatively speaking. Meaning that Hasselblad seems at least as big. Leica never made a medium format film camera. So they have no name in medium format camera circles. Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, and the only names in that marketplace, to date, are Hasselblad/Fuji, PhaseOne, and Leaf/Rollei. That makes it a pretty nice market with only a few competitors, selling only pretty high-end gear, all of which is, by definition, pretty new. Established leadership there is up for grabs. I do think it would be nice if Hoya/Pentax would get their collective arse moving on that front with the 645D. I'm sure they have business reasons for the delays to deal with, but there are a lot of Pentax MF users who would be made happy with the release of this camera. G Not true. Leica made a 25MP S1 with a 5140x5140 sensor. Rather rare, admittedly. http://burlington.craigslist.org/bfs/844376362.html Hence the new camera's name is S2 D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I do think it would be nice if Hoya/Pentax would get their collective arse moving on that front with the 645D. I'm sure they have business reasons for the delays to deal with, but there are a lot of Pentax MF users who would be made happy with the release of this camera. Not just business reasons for the delay; I think they needed the market to settle down in terms of equipment requirements. Remember the original 645D was supposed to be 18 megapixels. That looked silly pretty quickly, (regardless of the folly of comparing MF and 35mm systems by counting pixels - it's all in the marketing). It gradually moved up as the 35mm full-frame cameras went to 16 megapixels and more. Perhaps things have settled down enough now that they may be ready to have a go at it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: From where I'm standing, Leica looks like much less of a name in the MF market than in 35mm, comparatively speaking. Meaning that Hasselblad seems at least as big. Leica never made a medium format film camera. So they have no name in medium format camera circles. No, of course not. What I mean to say is that it seems to me that in camera circles in general (or whatever you call it), Hasselblad has the same kind of name as Leica - unlike any of Leica's current competitors in the smaller-format market. Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, The term medium format is quite arbitrary in any case, isn't it? I believe the distinction between medium and small format has been kept at least to a certain degree in terms of market segment as well as the negative format, though - i.e. digital cameras from traditional medium format vendors have larger sensors than the ones that descended from 35mm bodies, and are sold to some of the same people. and the only names in that marketplace, to date, are Hasselblad/Fuji, PhaseOne, and Leaf/Rollei. I think there may be a couple more, but never mind that. That makes it a pretty nice market with only a few competitors, selling only pretty high-end gear, all of which is, by definition, pretty new. Established leadership there is up for grabs. Maybe. I don't know that much about the market as such, really. I do think it would be nice if Hoya/Pentax would get their collective arse moving on that front with the 645D. I'm sure they have business reasons for the delays to deal with, but there are a lot of Pentax MF users who would be made happy with the release of this camera. I'm sure they would. Perhaps a 645D would not appeal to people who pre-book a new Leica camera without knowing the price, though... - T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
Not really a Leica camera in the hand-held tradition, and no relation whatever to the S2. I remember seeing that once upon a time ... it is a technical camera. The gods only know whether they sold more than a dozen of them. G On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Derby Chang wrote: Not true. Leica made a 25MP S1 with a 5140x5140 sensor. Rather rare, admittedly. http://burlington.craigslist.org/bfs/844376362.html Hence the new camera's name is S2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Somehow, I just knew you would quibble about it. OK, you are right D Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Not really a Leica camera in the hand-held tradition, and no relation whatever to the S2. I remember seeing that once upon a time ... it is a technical camera. The gods only know whether they sold more than a dozen of them. G On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Derby Chang wrote: Not true. Leica made a 25MP S1 with a 5140x5140 sensor. Rather rare, admittedly. http://burlington.craigslist.org/bfs/844376362.html Hence the new camera's name is S2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, The term medium format is quite arbitrary in any case, isn't it? I believe the distinction between medium and small format has been kept at least to a certain degree in terms of market segment as well as the negative format, though - i.e. digital cameras from traditional medium format vendors have larger sensors than the ones that descended from 35mm bodies, and are sold to some of the same people. I don't know that medium format as a type designation is arbitrary at all. It denotes cameras that used 120/220 sized roll film, with a range of capture format sizings from 6x4.5 to 6x17 cm. Same for 35mm: 35mm cameras are cameras that use double-sprocket cine- derived film which is 35mm wide. There are half and double frame 35mm cameras, variants like the Robot Rapids, etc. I think there may be a couple more, but never mind that. Quite likely. Alpa is one that comes to mind. Bronica (now gone), Contax (also gone), Fuji, Horseman, Mamiya, etc etc are all names in the medium format market space. That makes it a pretty nice market with only a few competitors, selling only pretty high-end gear, all of which is, by definition, pretty new. Established leadership there is up for grabs. Maybe. I don't know that much about the market as such, really. BTW: Remember that Victor Hasselblad of old is gone. The vestiges of the name continue in other hands. I do think it would be nice if Hoya/Pentax would get their collective arse moving on that front with the 645D. I'm sure they have business reasons for the delays to deal with, but there are a lot of Pentax MF users who would be made happy with the release of this camera. I'm sure they would. Perhaps a 645D would not appeal to people who pre-book a new Leica camera without knowing the price, though... That's not the market that it would appeal to. The market of Pentax medium format users (6x7 and 645) who have a healthy collection of excellent lenses continue to wait for it... Same as the Leica R camera users await with bated breath the R10 digital body. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think it would be nice if Hoya/Pentax would get their collective arse moving on that front with the 645D. I'm sure they have business reasons for the delays to deal with, but there are a lot of Pentax MF users who would be made happy with the release of this camera. G Time will tell ;) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not really a Leica camera in the hand-held tradition, and no relation whatever to the S2. I remember seeing that once upon a time ... it is a technical camera. The gods only know whether they sold more than a dozen of them. G But, it is, still, technically a Leica MF digital camera ... On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Derby Chang wrote: Not true. Leica made a 25MP S1 with a 5140x5140 sensor. Rather rare, admittedly. http://burlington.craigslist.org/bfs/844376362.html Hence the new camera's name is S2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL Just have to put a negative thought out there for your fellow PDMLer, eh? G On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Derby Chang wrote: Somehow, I just knew you would quibble about it. OK, you are right -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:24 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not really a Leica camera in the hand-held tradition, and no relation whatever to the S2. I remember seeing that once upon a time ... it is a technical camera. The gods only know whether they sold more than a dozen of them. G But, it is, still, technically a Leica MF digital camera ... It doesn't take/never took 120 roll film, right? By the definition of the type, that means it technically isn't a medium format camera. It's a large sensor digital camera, yes. And its popularity was ... ? .. limited to say the most. Only a few people even recall it exists. Quibble on. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:04 PM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/24 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? I like buttons knobs. It means I don't have to waste time scrolling through menus. Sorry Dave, but I would feel comfortable betting that the controls on the S2 are subtle, powerful, and do not distract one iota from the business of making photographer. Sorry Godfrey, but I have to disagree. Like the R series Lickers this is butt ugly IMO. I don't care what a camera looks like. I care how it fits in my hands and works. The R8-R9 were fugly to look at, but had the finest feel, best controls and finest viewfinder, finest lenses, of any 35mm SLR camera I ever used. I always wished I could afford one with a four lens complement kit, but that was always just too far over the financial cliff for me. Sometimes I wish I were a wealthy dentist ... not the good-hearted and not-wealthy kind like my dearly departed father was. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 23/9/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ So you're talking about the 2 pictures of the 645D then ? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ROTFL I think the L2 is visually pleasing in the same sense that the 67 was/is. It's simple and promises high functionality. I couldn't find any price. If you have to ask . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/24/2008 3:05 AM On 23/9/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ So you're talking about the 2 pictures of the 645D then ? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48d9e6f2147847513318395! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? I like buttons knobs. It means I don't have to waste time scrolling through menus. Yes! I'd say in a correct design, you'd use menus only to set up the camera. During actual shooting, everything you need to do should be doable without taking the camera from your eye. Any Pentax digital do that? Or come close? I'd happily give up features to get that. JPEG, white balance, ... Also, I'd be happy with only one meter mode, center weighted. For exposure control, I'd happily give up all but two modes. manual and an auto mode that lets me set minimum shutter speed, does AP up to that and then increases ISO and lets me know in the viewfinder. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Cotty wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ So you're talking about the 2 pictures of the 645D then ? ;-) lol I did say sept 22 not sept 23 ... although a 645D is good to see as well. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/9/24 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:04 PM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/24 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? I like buttons knobs. It means I don't have to waste time scrolling through menus. Sorry Dave, but I would feel comfortable betting that the controls on the S2 are subtle, powerful, and do not distract one iota from the business of making photographer. Sorry Godfrey, but I have to disagree. Like the R series Lickers this is butt ugly IMO. I don't care what a camera looks like. I care how it fits in my hands and works. The R8-R9 were fugly to look at, but had the finest feel, best controls and finest viewfinder, finest lenses, of any 35mm SLR camera I ever used. I always wished I could afford one with a four lens complement kit, but that was always just too far over the financial cliff for me. You're the one who said you thought it looked nice :-) I've seen some better photos of it since I made my original comment have to say it's does look better than the R series SLRs. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:27 AM, David Savage wrote: You're the one who said you thought it looked nice :-) I guess simile and metaphor, connotations of an expression are not useful when speaking to the literal minded. Perhaps impressive is a closer fit to what I had in mind. Those lenses .. ! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: I'd say in a correct design, you'd use menus only to set up the camera. During actual shooting, everything you need to do should be doable without taking the camera from your eye. Any Pentax digital do that? Or come close? Actually, the K10D does that pretty well, as did the *ist DS. Only settings that are configuration issues or rarely used options require poking into the Menu system. Most everything used in day to day shooting, aside from drive mode, has a discrete switch on the K10D and drive mode is on the Fn button so you don't have to go into the full menu system to find it. But without taking the camera from your eye ... hmm. I don't keep at camera at my eye for very long, normally. I just want the switches to be easy to see, learn, understand, and use. I rarely make settings changes with the camera at my eye, other than focus of course and occasionally bumping EV compensation or performing manual metering. I'd never change drive mode or meter pattern with the camera at my eye, for instance. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
From: Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? I like buttons knobs. It means I don't have to waste time scrolling through menus. Yes! I'd say in a correct design, you'd use menus only to set up the camera. During actual shooting, everything you need to do should be doable without taking the camera from your eye. Any Pentax digital do that? Or come close? *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. How can you tell? It's just a prototype at present. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. How can you tell? It's just a prototype at present. G One solid enough to announce, and show around working units. I'd expect the UI to be fairly settled at this point. And it's clearly more menu driven than the D40 that I picked up today (and that's saying something). How the heck are you going to set exposure compenation on the S2 in say Av mode without using the screen? (admittedly, that's a problem the M8 suffers from as well). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2008 entry Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, PA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
2008/9/24 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? I like buttons knobs. It means I don't have to waste time scrolling through menus. Sorry Godfrey, but I have to disagree. Like the R series Lickers this is butt ugly IMO. :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? -- Scott Loveless Because menu diving sucks? And changing anything beyond AF mode, Shutter and Aperture on the S2 requires a menu-dive? -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
