Re: peso drain grate
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ Number 35670 is very pleasing. On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. I think the first one in the series is the better one, showing the long top arm and shorter bottom arm. Dave -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso drain grate
From: Boris Liberman Larry Colen wrote: These other two are from the dozen or so I took of the grate, with different composition and focus points in the camera: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3969755144/ BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3969753436/ The rule I was taught in school is the in-focus subject should be about 1/3 of the way into the frame. Well, I wasn't speaking about the rule, rather of my perception. Though of course the rule is probably some kind of generalization of perception of many people. The second photo is better w.r.t. the rule ;-) . And I prefer the color version. They say Rules are made to be broken ... that's why I put rule in quotes. But, I was also taught that when you're going to break a rule, you ought to have a reason, one you can explain, even if only to yourself, what you expect to achieve by breaking the rule. The rules are a starting point ... like, you got to have a box before you can think outside of it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
peso drain grate
I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso drain grate
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' They're nice, but I'm starting to really hate that standard effect of slow-shutterspeed-on-a-waterfall-to-make-it-look-all-gracefully-feathery, so thanks for the ones that showed the individual splashes. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: Yep, it's genuinely cool. Thanks -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso drain grate
Larry, regarding the individual photo below. In my opinion such an effect is better served if the in focus area is not in the middle of the frame but rather somewhat off. This way you get more 3D or more spatial perception if you know what I mean. As such, it is less interesting than it might have been. Boris Larry Colen wrote: I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso drain grate
An awful lot going on with the Grate shot. Dark rectangle on the left along with blank foreground. Lack of greater DoF detracts from the subject element. I do kind of like water fall #..657, although a bit too centered. I'd crop the left side just enough to move it to the left of center. Jack --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: peso drain grate To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 11:22 PM I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen ...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso drain grate
In a message dated 9/29/2009 11:20:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. === Pretty waterfall, some nice shots of it. I probably would have shot the grate a la Godfrey, straight on, looking straight down. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I really enjoyed the Drain Grate. Good geometric photo. R. Bush On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:28 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/29/2009 11:20:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. === Pretty waterfall, some nice shots of it. I probably would have shot the grate a la Godfrey, straight on, looking straight down. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso drain grate
Agreed. It seems to work better when the in focus area appears to be more in the foreground, with the greater portion of the out of focus area falling behind the subject. The rule I was taught in school is the in-focus subject should be about 1/3 of the way into the frame. From: Boris Liberman Larry, regarding the individual photo below. In my opinion such an effect is better served if the in focus area is not in the middle of the frame but rather somewhat off. This way you get more 3D or more spatial perception if you know what I mean. As such, it is less interesting than it might have been. Boris Larry Colen wrote: I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso drain grate
The 1/3 into the frame (scene) is frequently suggested when trying for hyper focal DoF. Jack --- On Wed, 9/30/09, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: peso drain grate To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:31 AM Agreed. It seems to work better when the in focus area appears to be more in the foreground, with the greater portion of the out of focus area falling behind the subject. The rule I was taught in school is the in-focus subject should be about 1/3 of the way into the frame. From: Boris Liberman Larry, regarding the individual photo below. In my opinion such an effect is better served if the in focus area is not in the middle of the frame but rather somewhat off. This way you get more 3D or more spatial perception if you know what I mean. As such, it is less interesting than it might have been. Boris Larry Colen wrote: I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:31:15PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: Agreed. It seems to work better when the in focus area appears to be more in the foreground, with the greater portion of the out of focus area falling behind the subject. That was easy enough. The first is simply cropping a little off the bottom of the image so that the top, rather than the middle, of the grate is centered: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968981039/ These other two are from the dozen or so I took of the grate, with different composition and focus points in the camera: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3969755144/ BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3969753436/ The rule I was taught in school is the in-focus subject should be about 1/3 of the way into the frame. From: Boris Liberman Larry, regarding the individual photo below. In my opinion such an effect is better served if the in focus area is not in the middle of the frame but rather somewhat off. This way you get more 3D or more spatial perception if you know what I mean. As such, it is less interesting than it might have been. Boris Larry Colen wrote: I stopped by Highlands park today to see if there were any good photo opportunities of the river. I got a few shots of a small waterfall which seem pleasant, but probably a bit cliche' http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622360963705/ On my way back to the car, a drain grate caught my eye. I took a few frames, this is my favorite, and I think that the longer I look at it, the more I like it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3968424714/sizes/o/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. I can't decide whether it would be better if about half of the top third of the image were cropped so that the grate wasn't centered in the frame. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso drain grate
Larry Colen wrote: These other two are from the dozen or so I took of the grate, with different composition and focus points in the camera: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3969755144/ BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3969753436/ The rule I was taught in school is the in-focus subject should be about 1/3 of the way into the frame. Well, I wasn't speaking about the rule, rather of my perception. Though of course the rule is probably some kind of generalization of perception of many people. The second photo is better w.r.t. the rule ;-). And I prefer the color version. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
