Re: PESO - On the Canal

[Bob W-PDML]

It's a nice scene, nicely composed, and there's nothing you could do about 
this, but that blue of the seats is horrible. That colour is everywhere these 
days and I really hate it, it's a visual pollutant.

B

> On 26 Nov 2014, at 01:46, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I crossed this twice a day, at least, walking between my hotel and the 
> meeting venue in Berlin. The scenery was reliable; the boat was dumb luck.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17906462&size=lg
> 
> (K-5, DA 16-45)
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Rick
> 

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Re: PESO - On the Canal, for Bob

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Thanks. Now can you do that for the rest of the world?

B

> On 27 Nov 2014, at 01:06, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17912939&size=lg
> 
> See?
> 
> No more blue plastic chairs!
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - On the Canal

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Nonsense. I'm just grumpy.

B

> On 27 Nov 2014, at 03:54, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> He's only grumpy because he never gets to see blue sky.
> 
> ;)
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 2:05 pm, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, but there is something I can do about it! See accompanying message.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2014, at 2:55 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's a nice scene, nicely composed, and there's nothing you could do about 
>>> this, but that blue of the seats is horrible. That colour is everywhere 
>>> these days and I really hate it, it's a visual pollutant.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>>> On 26 Nov 2014, at 01:46, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I crossed this twice a day, at least, walking between my hotel and the 
>>>> meeting venue in Berlin. The scenery was reliable; the boat was dumb luck.
>>>> 
>>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17906462&size=lg
>>>> 
>>>> (K-5, DA 16-45)
>>>> 
>>>> Comments?
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
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Re: PESO - RIP Phillip Hughes

[Bob W-PDML]

That's a classic shot. I woke up to the news on the radio this morning - a real 
tragedy.

B

> On 27 Nov 2014, at 09:07, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> The name wont mean a lot unless you're a cricket lover but, if you are you'll 
> be aware that a fine young cricketer was seriously injured when hit on the 
> back of the head during a match on Tuesday and died today without regaining 
> consciousness. It was a freak event with a tragic outcome.
> 
> My wife and I were privileged to witness Phillip's maiden first-class century 
> at the Sydney Cricket Ground a few years ago. We are both devastated by what 
> has occurred.
> 
> I PESOed this image a few years ago so I hope you'll indulge me if I do so 
> again.
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/66734.html
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/oq9ezwb
> 
> Further details here:
> 
> http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/australian-cricketer-phillip-hughes-dead-at-25-20141127-11vd48.html
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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Re: PESO: Backfield in Motion

[Bob W-PDML]

On 28 Nov 2014, at 20:08, John  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/28/2014 8:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> This is an experimental image, attempting to capture the "feeling" of
>> the action at a football (American football, of course) game:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17913765&size=lg
>> 
>> I'm not sure how I feel about it, so I am running it up the flag pole
>> to see whether it will draw flames.
> 
> If memory serves, the old Mad Avenue saying was "run it up the flagpole & see 
> who salutes."

"Let's take the clothes off this idea, see who gets a hard-on"

> 
> I think it would work better if you'd panned with the four players in motion 
> so that they were sharp and everyone else was blurry.
> 

I'm with Godfrey on the picture, but a good experiment.

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Re: PESO - Dusk Walk

[Bob W-PDML]

On 29 Nov 2014, at 18:18, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Actually two for the price of one #blackfriday
> 
> Fuji XE-1 and Pentax M35/2.8
> 
> 
> 
> Very quick and minimal processing on these. I noticed a focus problem
> with this lens (my wife's) and need to do some tests. Still, thse were
> just about in the ballpark...
> 

Both lovely, but the second is way out of the ballpark - fabulous shot.

B

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Re: K24mm f/2.8

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On 1 Dec 2014, at 12:09, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 1/12/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> On 30/11/2014 6:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>>> I still have an A24/2/8 too, it's a little jewel.
>> 
>> I'll second that.
> 
> Thanks all. It's arriving tomorrow, looking forward to checking it out.
> 
> Had an unexpected corporate job come up, a few days in Zurich filming at
> a medical conference. Currently sat in cafe at Heathrow with 3 others
> after Swiss Air flight this morning cancelled!  

Are you sure you have a return ticket? Never a good idea to go to Switzerland 
on a one-way ticket...

> #travelhell
> 

#hashtagbollocks

> 

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Re: OT: Facepalm

[Bob W-PDML]

On 2 Dec 2014, at 19:03, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> While I understand the obsurdity of the situation, but I also guess that it 
> is a general warning statement to satisfy allergen-labelling laws
> in various countries.
> 
> My guess is if it is not explicitly stated that "it may contain traces of 
> nuts", it might be assumed that it is not, despite the ingredients list.
> Besides, in some countries, peanuts and "nuts" are in different categories.

This may sound nuts, but peanuts are not nuts. They're legumes. Cashews ain't 
no nuts neither. I know this because nuts are good for gout, but legumes less 
so.

B

> 
> 
>I saw this warning on a packet of tortillas about a week ago. This is 
> dedicated to the lawyers out there...
>http://www.multi.net.nz/_IGP9403.jpg
> 
> Reminds me of a packet of peanuts I saw a couple of years ago which warned 
> "may contain traces of nuts". Wish I'd taken a photo.
> 
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Re: PEso - at the museum

[Bob W-PDML]

Perfect! I've been looking at a lot of Toulouse-Lautrec stuff over the last 
couple of years and even made a longish detour from my ride through France in 
summer so I could go to the museum in Albi.

I went to the cut-outs when they were over here - great exhibition.

B



> On 4 Dec 2014, at 05:29, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> went to the Matisse Cut-out exhibit at MOMA (thanks to free pass from a 
> member) - fabulous!
> 
> Of course, no photography there.
> On another floor - there were the Lautrec prints
> photography allowed
> 
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/i-M3BrgLV/A
> 
> Pentax K-5 with the sigma 18-50 zoom that replaced my kit lens, thanks to a 
> particular PDML'er
> 
> ann
> 
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Re: PEso - at the museum

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> 
> On 4 Dec 2014, at 20:01, Chris Mitchell  wrote:
> 
> That's lovely Ann. The person in the hat looking at the picture of a
> person in a hat makes it for me.
> 
> A dear old friend who died last year named his house "Lautrec".
> Because it had two loos. Corny I know, but he had the bare faced cheek
> to get away with it.
> 

I guess he had nothing to lose.


> Chris
> 
>> On 4 December 2014 at 05:31, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> went to the Matisse Cut-out exhibit at MOMA (thanks to free pass from a
>> member) - fabulous!
>> 
>> Of course, no photography there.
>> On another floor - there were the Lautrec prints
>> photography allowed
>> 
>> http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/i-M3BrgLV/A
>> 
>> Pentax K-5 with the sigma 18-50 zoom that replaced my kit lens, thanks to a
>> particular PDML'er
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

[Bob W-PDML]

I've been using Lightroom since it was in beta. I don't have Photoshop - don't 
need it. Wait until you absolutely know you need Photoshop, and worry about it 
then. In the meantime spend some time learning Lightroom.

B



> On 5 Dec 2014, at 08:51, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> Photoshop or Lightroom? Lightroom or Photoshop? Or both? Or neither?
> 
> [...]
> No doubt this subject has been kicked about to destruction - hence the
> subject title -  but any advice welcomed.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> PS - Used the K3 for the first time yesterday, absolutely love it. Deeper
> grip is fantastic.
> 
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Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

[Bob W-PDML]

LR can work perfectly happily with whatever folder structure you set up.

B

> On 6 Dec 2014, at 02:03, John Coyle  wrote:
> 
> My experience is the same as Paul's.  LR is good at processing successive 
> images with the same
> settings, but I found its cataloguing system did not work for me: my folder 
> structure suits my needs
> better.  I do have both via the subscription module, and the long term 
> benefit is that you always
> have the latest version without any additional cost, rather than having to 
> spend several hundred
> dollars every few years (even if you skipped intermediate upgrades).
> 
> John in Brisbane
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 9:25 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.
> 
> I use photoshop exclusively. I frequently do a lot of post work and ps is the 
> best tool in many
> cases. But more importantly it's familiar and feels right. I have my own 
> filing system that I access
> with Bridge. It's all working fine. Tried Lightroom 2 years ago, didn't like 
> it. 
> 
> Paul via phone

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Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

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On 6 Dec 2014, at 01:11, John  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> I hadn't considered Photoshop Elements because I've not used it, but a
> quick search tells me the later versions of Elements have at least some
> of the tools I want that Lightroom doesn't seem to have - i.e. LAYERS,
> layer masks, blending modes ...
>> 

LR and PS are built around different metaphors. Layers are a graphic design 
concept, not a photography concept. LR is built around the idea of a darkroom, 
where there are no layers as far as I recall. This I think is key to 
understanding LR.

What results can you achieve with layers etc. that you can't achieve in LR by a 
more 'darkroomy' means?

I think these things often come down to people preferring what they're used to. 
When they're used to doing something one way in a system, that can sometimes 
seem like the only way. So if a new system achieves the same outcome 
differently people can struggle to adapt, and find themselves fighting against 
the new system, trying to force-fit it into the old metaphor. I've been 
watching people do this at work for 35 years and I've been through it myself a 
few times, notably when I first encountered a computer mouse, and also when I 
discovered relational database theory, which I eventually decided is the dog's 
bollocks and the secret of life itself (well almost - that accolade goes to 
discrete mathematics).

B
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Re: PDML and i-devices

[Bob W-PDML]

Just tested it from my ipad and had no problem. I do find though that if I 
paste a link into an email, those nice people in Cupertino convert it to 
not-plain so that it won't go through. Thanks guys. 

It might be something you can set at the host. My email is all hosted by 
Microsoft and configured in Outlook, so perhaps you can do something similar.

B



> On 6 Dec 2014, at 19:18, Richard Womer  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to send messages to PDML from an iPhone or
> iPad? It appears that plain text is not an option on these devices.
> 
> Rick
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Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

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On 7 Dec 2014, at 10:16, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> I was almost certain I would need PS, and now I'm not sure I'll even get to
> a point where I will have a need for it at all. I'm going with LR, and I'm
> going to buy an upgrade for PSE. I will have many months of learning ahead
> of me. Should these products be later only available by cloud subscription,
> I will at least have what was available in 2014 on disc. I can see all these
> products only being available by monthly subscription at some point; from
> their point of view it must stop copies and all the production and
> distribution costs of supplying boxed software.
> 
> Once again, it has been fascinating reading how list members use software.
> 
> Malcolm
> 

I think you'd do well to buy one or two of the books about LR and spend a 
weekend working your way through them. There are really 3 major topics to 
consider and they feedback into each other to some extent:

1. What is your storage (and back-up) strategy. In my experience it's best to 
use LR to manage everything rather than mixing LR and your OS's capabilities

2. Understand LR's workflow and adapt it within reason to suit yourself, but 
try not to fight against it

3. How to use the various tools to achieve your ends. Think of it in terms of 
ends rather than means and you won't be so frustrated when you can't find 
things you might expect, like layers perhaps, which are a means to an end 
rather than an end in themself, and you won't waste your time trying to learn 
stuff you'll never use.

B
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Re: santa claus parade 2014

[Bob W-PDML]

That first one - wow, David Lynch really does live in Stouffville. And I've 
never seen a coin-operated Beaver machine before. It's no wonder the firemen 
look so happy. Fantastic. I wanna live there.

B



> On 7 Dec 2014, at 16:10, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Some shots from this years parade. Smaller this year, route is shorter aswell.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17920257
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17920258
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17920255
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17920256
> 
> K-5 Sigma 17-70 some af360 for fill.
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: The horse is dead, but let's flog it some more anyway.

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On 7 Dec 2014, at 16:53, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I'll just ignore what everyone else has said and answer here.
> 
> There have been enough stories, even here, about Lightroom users wanting to 
> for one reason or another wanting to find their original files but not 
> knowing how, as Lightroom moved them somewhere, (imported them into it's 
> database), and not being able to figure out how to get them back.  

This is simply not true. LR does not move your files anywhere unless you tell 
it to. It does not 'import them into its database'. The files either stay where 
you put them, or they go where you tell LR to put them. 

LR creates an entry in its catalogue containing information about your files, 
it does not put the files themselves into the catalogue or any other form of 
database. The information in the catalogue includes the location of the files 
at the time the catalogue entry was created and last updated. 

When people have lost their files it's because they, or the pixies, have moved 
the files outside of LR and not updated the catalogue. You can't blame LR for 
not being able to find the files any more than you can blame a librarian if 
some misguided reader moves all the Jeffery Archer novels into the Great 
Literature section.

LR provides ways for you to deal with this situation and re-catalogue the files 
when you remember where the pixies put them.

The pixies once moved a bunch of my files when I first started using LR. It 
told me it couldn't find them, I looked for them. I found them, I sorted out 
the catalogue. What I didn't do was live the rest of my life under the illusion 
that a piece of dumb software had fucked it up, and lie about it to people who 
ask straightforward questions.

 B
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Re: PESO 2014 - 317 - GDG

[Bob W-PDML]

That's great. Barbie looks just like the late Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart, 18th 
Duchess of Alba



> On 9 Dec 2014, at 02:05, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Ken & Barbie, out for a drive in their Dune Buggy …
> 
>  https://flic.kr/p/pp5Qh5
> 
> enjoy,
> Godfrey
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Re: PESO -- Moxie Squared

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Is there a diet version?

B

> On 11 Dec 2014, at 14:34, Richard Womer  wrote:
> 
> I've had Moxie. It's made from the liquid that drips from the bottom
> of a Boston trash truck, with some sugar.
> 
> Rick
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Brian Walters  
>> wrote:
>> Quoting David Mann :
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 7:24 pm, Brian Walters 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Moxie is now on my list of things I just have to try at least once -
 Scotland's Irn-Bru is another).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We can get Irn-Bru at the supermarket here... check your international
>>> foods aisle.  Failing that I'm sure you have some Brit-shops over there.
>>> 
>>> To me it tastes a lot like creaming soda.  Far too sweet for my taste; my
>>> favourite is Lilt.  I try and get a couple of cans each Xmas.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Apparently Irn-Bru is available though our two major supermarkets although
>> I've never seen it on the shelves.  I'll have to check on the weekend.
>> 
>> According to Wikipedia it was even manufactured here for a while and, again
>> according to Wikipedia, the version sold here doesn't contain caffine and
>> quinine so it's not really the real McCoy.
>> 
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>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>> 
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Re: PESO -- Moxie Squared

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That makes it health food.

B

> On 11 Dec 2014, at 18:37, Bruce  wrote:
> 
> Yeah they just don't add the sugar.  
> 
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a diet version?
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On 11 Dec 2014, at 14:34, Richard Womer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've had Moxie. It's made from the liquid that drips from the bottom
>>> of a Boston trash truck, with some sugar.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Brian Walters  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Quoting David Mann :
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 7:24 pm, Brian Walters 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Moxie is now on my list of things I just have to try at least once -
>>>>>> Scotland's Irn-Bru is another).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> We can get Irn-Bru at the supermarket here... check your international
>>>>> foods aisle.  Failing that I'm sure you have some Brit-shops over there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To me it tastes a lot like creaming soda.  Far too sweet for my taste; my
>>>>> favourite is Lilt.  I try and get a couple of cans each Xmas.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently Irn-Bru is available though our two major supermarkets although
>>>> I've never seen it on the shelves.  I'll have to check on the weekend.
>>>> 
>>>> According to Wikipedia it was even manufactured here for a while and, again
>>>> according to Wikipedia, the version sold here doesn't contain caffine and
>>>> quinine so it's not really the real McCoy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> ++
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Re: OT - Peter Lik has a better camera than anyone else ...

[Bob W-PDML]

The turd in a tin is a better work than the photo, and didn't cost millions. 
The article itself is a turd in type, with its talk about protecting an 
investment. If the financial value was what mattered the Tate would have had a 
better investment buying property in London, which earns far more than a can o' 
crap.

My house looks like a work of modern art since yesterday morning when the 
kitchen ceiling fell down. Perhaps Nick Serota would like to buy it.

B



> On 12 Dec 2014, at 07:06, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> The art world has come loose from it's moorings, anyone can produce art, yet 
> no one produces good art and the really execrable stuff sells for millions.  
> Sometime the excretions aren't even real.
> 
> http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/artblog/2007/jun/12/shitmanzonisworkdoesntdow
> 
> or maybe they are, since no one is willing to ruin the "value" of the work by 
> opening one.
> 
> I think it's wonderful that photography is is seen as an actual art, except 
> that I'm not sure that any other art qualifies as art either.
> 
>> On 12/12/2014 12:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> The only requirement for a million dollar photo is a million dollar sucker.
>> 
>>> On December 11, 2014 8:15:59 PM PST, Ann Sanfedele  
>>> wrote:
>>> Ken - many of yours are much,much better
>>> 
>>> That antelope canyon shot is the one I meant - grossly oversaturated on
>>> 
>>> my monitor.. if you thought I meant the one with reflections, that's
>>> different - though still not a million dollar shot.
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 12/11/2014 21:12, Ken Waller wrote:
 Obviously the 6.5 mil is obscene. I'd be proud to call the color
>>> image mine.
 -Original Message-
> From: Ann Sanfedele 
> Subject: Re: OT - Peter Lik has a better camera than anyone else ...
> 
> So I guess the worse photos are the more he gets for them?
> 
> Toss up which is more awful - the 6.5 or the color Antelope canyon
>>> shot.
> well after all, this did happen in Las Vegas  so...
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 12/10/2014 16:20, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> ... and sells a photo for a historical 6.5 million dollars as a
>>> result.
>>> https://fstoppers.com/landscapes/what-65-million-dollar-photograph-looks-49113
> 
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Re: OT - Peter Lik has a better camera than anyone else ...

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On 12 Dec 2014, at 07:33, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> 
>> My house looks like a work of modern art since yesterday morning when
>> the kitchen ceiling fell down. Perhaps Nick Serota would like to buy
>> it.
> 
> Doesn't that make your kitchen an 'installation'?
> 
> Best of luck with the ceiling; I had a bedroom ceiling come down in 2009 and
> that turned from a repair into an entire house rebuild; a five year mission
> where nobody wanted to go.

Thanks - I hope it doesn't come to that.

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Re: PESO - Big Kiss

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It's kitsch, but not of the good Jeff Koons variety. It lacks irony.

B

> On 13 Dec 2014, at 02:48, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Am I the only one that finds the sculptures a little offensive?
> 
> I know the _photo_ well, Dan - the one Alfred Eisenstadt shot for LIFE 
> Magazine - and I actually saw back then as my parents subscribed to both LIFE 
> and LOOK.  (I was almost 9 years old on VJ day...)
> 
> I think the world's largest cow in... (is it NORTH Dakota?) fares well in 
> comparison :-)
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 12/12/2014 00:40, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> Like many of Seward Johnson's sculptures, it is based on a great work
>> of art, in this case an iconic photo.
>> The sculpture was displayed on Times Square for a while.
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>>> Like the shot, hate the sculpture -
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/11/2014 21:49, Rick Womer wrote:
 
 A runner-up for this month's PUG, also from the Grounds for Sculpture in
 central New Jersey:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17922124
 
 (K-5, DA 16-45)
 
 Comments appreciated!
 
 Rick
 
 
 
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Re: Boris PESO #22 - Bliss

[Bob W-PDML]

Agreed.

B


> On 13 Dec 2014, at 02:56, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Yes - it is knarfesque .. nice grab, Boris
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 12/12/2014 12:56, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> For some reason I am thinking about Frank's original style that I grew
>> to like so much over the years of me being the PDMLer :-)
>> 
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/12/2014-22-bliss.html
>> 
>> Be sure to comment and critique.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Boris
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Re: Check out “"Six Photographs": René Burri” by PORT on Vimeo

[Bob W-PDML]

Well, as I guess you've discovered, he is one of the greats from a classic 
period of photography. Magnum photographers are all great, by definition.

B



On 13 Dec 2014, at 15:03, Eric Weir  wrote:

>> Check out “"Six Photographs": René Burri” by PORT on Vimeo.
>> 
>> The video is available for your viewing pleasure at http://vimeo.com/68146128
> 
> Perhaps some of you have seen this. If not, I imagine you’ll enjoy it. I’ve 
> never heard of this guy. But then I don’t know much about photography at all.
> 
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Re: OT - Peter Lik has a better camera than anyone else ...

[Bob W-PDML]

On 13 Dec 2014, at 18:37, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 1:24 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> My house looks like a work of modern art since yesterday morning when the 
>> kitchen ceiling fell down. Perhaps Nick Serota would like to buy it.
> 
> 
> Wow, very sorry to hear about this, Bob.  Hope you get it all repaired with 
> minimal cost and frustration. 
> 

Thanks Christine. Worse things happen at sea. This will push me into getting a 
proper kitchen at last.

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Re: PESO: CHORUS LINE

[Bob W-PDML]

I've never bought into the idea of Intelligent Design, but those things make me 
believe in Friday Afternoon Design.

Nice shot.

B



> On 14 Dec 2014, at 12:47, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> The all male subjects of this shot were about 100m distant so this is a heavy 
> crop at the limit of the FA 100-300. Lead singer on the left. The ladies were 
> probably sitting! Unfortunately a little soft - I really need that DA 55-300.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/15832716979/
> 
> Alan C
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Re: OT - Peter Lik has a better camera than anyone else ...

[Bob W-PDML]

I'd love a kitchen like that, if only because it would mean my house was 10 
times the size of this one!

B



> On 14 Dec 2014, at 14:54, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 13/12/14, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Thanks Christine. Worse things happen at sea. This will push me into
>> getting a proper kitchen at last.
> 
> Excellent!
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> <http://uglyhousephotos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/
> phx50skitchennational1957b.jpg>
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Re: Check out ""Six Photographs": René Burri" by PORT on Vimeo

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On 14 Dec 2014, at 14:50, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 13/12/14, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Thanks for posting, Eric.  Of course Burri's comments and photos were
>> interesting and excellent, but in equal measure, I was greatly struck by
>> the lovely quality of the black and white video.  The blacks were so
>> rich and the light elegant.  Maybe Cotty can tell us what the
>> videographer did.  Anyway, thanks for posting.
> 
> Funny you should mention it - coincidentally I just finished watching
> the video myself :-)
> 
> With video there are plenty of steps in the production process, but lets
> assume we've done all the pre-production work, and are at the shooting
> stage. The director will usually know exactly what effect he/she is
> looking for in the finished film, so the only things that can be
> controlled at the location are lighting and sound. Professional video
> cameras can't shoot on mono, so that effect will have to be done in the
> post-production phase. However, if one is after a gritty black an white
> effect, lighting can be effectively controlled to enhance the later
> image grading process. For instance, maybe a touch less fill light on
> the subject to enhance the contrast from the key light. Obviously
> filters can be used in front of the lens, but to be honest most
> directors will avoid this, preferring the greater control in post.
> 
> So, you shoot your camera original rushes (or 'dailies' as the Americans
> say) and take it with you to the edit suite. Here the editor will go
> through a multitude of steps, so in the interests of brevity I'll keep
> it short. After the rough cut has gone through the necessary revisions,
> and the director is happy, the editor can get on and finalise the video
> and audio portions. On a large production, these will be farmed out to
> specialists. On my level, I do all this myself, with varying degrees of
> success!
> 
> The audio will be 'smoothed out' by adding music and sound effects where
> desired, and then each transition between two separate pieces of audio
> will be set so the sound from (say) an incoming shot doesn't jar with
> the sound from an outgoing shot. And so on.
> 
> The video needs equally important attention. This is called 'grading'
> and usually involves 3rd party software but I use the simple grading
> tools in Apple's Final Cut Pro editing software, which does me fine. For
> even more control, there is 'Color' in Final Cut Studio. It is possible
> to buy plug-ins for these just like those you might buy for Photoshop.
> These plug-ins can range from simple visual effects through to complex
> global changes to create an overall look to a film. I prefer to do it
> myself as the sort of thing I produce do not warrant huge creative control.
> 
> So, the grader will go through the video track and literally apply
> changes to the image shot by shot. I do this regularly. For instance, if
> there is a slight exposure error, or more usually if the colour balance
> isn't quite right. We all know what mixed lighting can do to still
> images, but hazard a though for the poor videographer as he/she may have
> to pan from a tungsten-lit interior to a daylight scene in one shot. You
> get my drift.
> 
> Black and white, of course, completely obviates that problem, as in the
> Rene Burri video. Here, the grader has removed the chroma from the whole
> video, and then likely gone through shot by shot to optimise each one.
> Of course, some shots are identical -eg the main interview shot and so
> any changes applied to the first shot can then easily be applied to
> subsequent shots of the same type (even though they may have been shot
> on entirely different days). Chroma and luminance scopes in the software
> and a good eye on a top-grade monitor ensure the job is done right.
> 
> The Burri video gives a pleasing high-key image and although quite
> contrasty, is smooth and with plenty of definition. I'm sure just as the
> director intended. It would be great to see the camera original material
> - the blacks wouldn't merge into each other as they do on the video. The
> effect is nice but the camera designers will be looking at that and crying.
> 
> Production-wise, the background movement from the lone lady behind is
> pretty lame. Better to have 2 or 3 in and out (to create a busy office
> environment) or none at all! Sound is okay, found the music levels a bit
> high but thankfully they faded out sooner rather than later. The subject
> is beautifully shot and not overdoing the close-ups from the second
> camera. With the limited depth of field, these would either have been
> DSLR type cameras or more likely a 'full frame' camera like the Sony F3
> or even my latest lusting-box the FS7.
> 
> Modern digital video cameras shoot in a variety of codecs and frame-
> rates and bit-ratesdepending on market. In the UK, for broadcast it's
> always PAL 50i and depending on subject type: news- 35 or 50 M/bits
> documentaries 50 o

Re: PESO - Big Kiss

[Bob W-PDML]

I don't know if ann finds the statue offensive for the reason that others have 
suggested the original photo is offensive, but I think all of those statues are 
offensive because they're kitsch, as is the photo of the canyon that sold for 
several million dollars.

Coincidentally Roger Scruton has been writing a (very, very poor) series of 
articles on the BBC about Art with a capital A, and today he discusses kitsch:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30439633

I think his historical claims are wrong, but he describes kitsch quite well.

He promises to reveal to us next time how to tell kitsch from Shinola, so that 
should bring down photography prices pretty sharpish.

B


> On 14 Dec 2014, at 19:47, John  wrote:
> 
> If I knew, I wouldn't have to ask.
> 
>> On 12/13/2014 6:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>> If ya have to ask, ya don't know :-)
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 12/13/2014 14:50, John wrote:
>>> What about it makes it offensive?
>>> 
 On 12/12/2014 9:49 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 Am I the only one that finds the sculptures a little offensive?
 
 I know the _photo_ well, Dan - the one Alfred Eisenstadt shot for LIFE
 Magazine - and I actually saw back then as my parents subscribed to both
 LIFE and LOOK.  (I was almost 9 years old on VJ day...)
 
 I think the world's largest cow in... (is it NORTH Dakota?) fares well
 in comparison :-)
 
 ann
 
> On 12/12/2014 00:40, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Like many of Seward Johnson's sculptures, it is based on a great work
> of art, in this case an iconic photo.
> The sculpture was displayed on Times Square for a while.
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele 
> wrote:
>> Like the shot, hate the sculpture -
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/11/2014 21:49, Rick Womer wrote:
>>> 
>>> A runner-up for this month's PUG, also from the Grounds for
>>> Sculpture in
>>> central New Jersey:
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17922124
>>> 
>>> (K-5, DA 16-45)
>>> 
>>> Comments appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Check out “"Six Photographs": René Burri” by PORT on Vimeo

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They were fake helicopters, tiny little models mocked up by Magnum's props 
department.

B

> On 15 Dec 2014, at 10:07, John  wrote:
> 
> Did I miss something? I thought he was just taking the Mickey about the 
> helicopters.
> 
> I don't think Photoshop had even been invented when the Suez Canal re-opened 
> in 1975.
> 
>> On 12/14/2014 6:18 PM, John Coyle wrote:
>> Great stuff - a real photographer, but not afraid to use modern techniques, 
>> as in his manipulation of the "Re-opening of the Suez Canal" shot to enhance 
>> the story.  He'd probably get fired for that today!
>> 
>> John in Brisbane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Eric Weir
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2014 1:03 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Check out “"Six Photographs": René Burri” by PORT on Vimeo
>> 
>>> Check out “"Six Photographs": René Burri” by PORT on Vimeo.
>>> 
>>> The video is available for your viewing pleasure at 
>>> http://vimeo.com/68146128
>> 
>> Perhaps some of you have seen this. If not, I imagine you’ll enjoy it. I’ve 
>> never heard of this guy. But then I don’t know much about photography at all.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: OT: For the Sign buff and grammar nit-pickers on this list

[Bob W-PDML]

As if the grammar error weren't enough, what are they thinking about, giving 
away their children's rice wine as a prize?

Of course, some mistakes are worse than others. Have a look at this and don't 
forget to read some of the See Alsos. 

Or should that be Alsoes. 

I think the former. But definitely not Also's.

Anyway,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7702913.stm

B

> On 15 Dec 2014, at 13:28, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I, of course, am both.  
> 
> http://wordsmith.org/words/dogs_chance.html
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Re: PESO: You can't buy class

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Fantastic. When I die I'm going to spend all my money having a grandiose and 
monumentally vulgar memorial to myself erected in one of our cathedrals, and 
I'll make sure there's at least one apostrophe in the wrong place.

B

> On 15 Dec 2014, at 14:55, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> 
> This is an expression that my wife uses all of the time to indicate that, 
> although you may have money, that doesn't mean you have TASTE.
> 
> The Schoenhofen memorial in Graceland Cemetary (Chicago, IL) is a shining 
> example of that saying:
> 
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2014/chicago/content/K5__6904_large.html
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Re: PESO: You can't buy class

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On 15 Dec 2014, at 20:58, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Nice photo. The Schoenhofen pyramid mausoleum was designed by a fairly well 
> known architect, Richard E. Schmidt, but I suspect the family insisted on the 
> angel.

It's not the angel, it's the sphinx's face!


>> 
>> The Schoenhofen memorial in Graceland Cemetary (Chicago, IL) is a shining 
>> example of that saying:
>> 
>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2014/chicago/content/K5__6904_large.html
>> 
>> -Charles
>> 
>> 

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Re: PESO: You can't buy class

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The angel is a bog-standard off-the-shelf funerary angel whose face is based on 
classical faces. The sphinx is a nightmare. Whether it's Schoenhofen or not 
isn't important, it's the anachronistic incongruity of a realistic 20th-century 
face on an antique form that will put me back in therapy for another 10 years 
or more.

B



> On 15 Dec 2014, at 21:18, John  wrote:
> 
> A cursory Google search will turn up a portrait of Peter Schoenhofen. Neither 
> the spinx, nor the angel looks anything like him.
> 
> On 12/15/2014 4:01 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 20:58, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice photo. The Schoenhofen pyramid mausoleum was designed by a fairly well 
>>> known architect, Richard E. Schmidt, but I suspect the family insisted on 
>>> the angel.
>> 
>> It's not the angel, it's the sphinx's face!
>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The Schoenhofen memorial in Graceland Cemetary (Chicago, IL) is a shining 
>>>> example of that saying:
>>>> 
>>>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2014/chicago/content/K5__6904_large.html
>>>> 
>>>> -Charles
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO: You can't buy class

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:0)



> On 15 Dec 2014, at 22:35, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> Bob, you never got out of therapy
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> The angel is a bog-standard off-the-shelf funerary angel whose face is based 
>> on classical faces. The sphinx is a nightmare. Whether it's Schoenhofen or 
>> not isn't important, it's the anachronistic incongruity of a realistic 
>> 20th-century face on an antique form that will put me back in therapy for 
>> another 10 years or more.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 21:18, John  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A cursory Google search will turn up a portrait of Peter Schoenhofen. 
>>> Neither the spinx, nor the angel looks anything like him.
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/2014 4:01 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>>>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 20:58, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nice photo. The Schoenhofen pyramid mausoleum was designed by a fairly 
>>>>> well known architect, Richard E. Schmidt, but I suspect the family 
>>>>> insisted on the angel.
>>>> 
>>>> It's not the angel, it's the sphinx's face!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Schoenhofen memorial in Graceland Cemetary (Chicago, IL) is a 
>>>>>> shining example of that saying:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2014/chicago/content/K5__6904_large.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Charles
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: PESO: You can't buy class

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Would that mean I'm Oedipus?

B

> On 16 Dec 2014, at 05:38, John  wrote:
> 
> Maybe the sphinx looks like Bob's therapist?
> 
>> On 12/15/2014 7:36 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> And here I thought Bob W-pdml was therapy !
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 
>> Subject: Re: PESO: You can't buy class
>> 
>> 
>>> Bob, you never got out of therapy
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>>> The angel is a bog-standard off-the-shelf funerary angel whose face
>>>> is based on classical faces. The sphinx is a nightmare. Whether it's
>>>> Schoenhofen or not isn't important, it's the anachronistic
>>>> incongruity of a realistic 20th-century face on an antique form that
>>>> will put me back in therapy for another 10 years or more.
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 21:18, John  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A cursory Google search will turn up a portrait of Peter
>>>>> Schoenhofen. Neither the spinx, nor the angel looks anything like him.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/15/2014 4:01 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 20:58, Paul Stenquist 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nice photo. The Schoenhofen pyramid mausoleum was designed by a
>>>>>>> fairly well known architect, Richard E. Schmidt, but I suspect the
>>>>>>> family insisted on the angel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's not the angel, it's the sphinx's face!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The Schoenhofen memorial in Graceland Cemetary (Chicago, IL) is a
>>>>>>>> shining example of that saying:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2014/chicago/content/K5__6904_large.html
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Charles
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>> 
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Re: OT: You *MUST* see "Ida"

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I haven't seen it yet, but it's had rave reviews from all the people in my 
French cinema class. Of course for some people that may not be a 
recommendation...

B



> On 16 Dec 2014, at 03:25, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> The NewYorker article by David Denby on 2014's best movies said "Pawel
> Pawlikowski’s “Ida” is by far the best movie of the year." I remember
> having watched the trailer and wanting to see it, but had forgotten
> about it until I read that.
> 
> I found it on Amazon Prime (member view for free) and I'm writing this
> after watching only 22 minutes of its 1:45 running time. If you love
> photography or videography, and you have not yet seen it, you MUST
> watch this film. Each and every scene is a lesson in composition. It
> is in B&W and for that reason the lighting is also easier to see. It
> is also a fascinating story.
> 
> I cannot recommend it highly enough, if only as a lesson in fine
> photography. I hope if you watch it you will share your impressions.
> 
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Re: OT - Photographer beats Lik's record photo sale by ten cents

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Creamy bokeh though


> On 20 Dec 2014, at 03:05, Matthew Hunt  wrote:
> 
> The "dessert landscape" is a bit saccharine for my taste.
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> Seems the art world doubts the authenticity of Peter Lik's record $6.5M sale.
>> 
>> And apparently Jeff Frost has broken that record as well ...
>> 
>> http://news.artnet.com/in-brief/is-that-65-million-photo-sale-for-real-probably-not-196563
>> 
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Re: You Fuji owners may have firmware updates (and also be arrogant)

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I think his criticism is fair, and his comparison with tourism is appropriate 
so it is not simply anti-royalist. He is saying that Harry is behaving like an 
imperialist, which I think is true. He is able to behave like that, or at least 
get attention, because he is royal - most tourists do not. Other photographers 
are criticised for the same reasons.

As for enhancing the effectiveness of his work, you might think it justifies 
it, but there are many people who do not. In large parts of the world these 
sorts of charitable organisations - and I work for one of them - are seen as 
patronising at best, arms of imperialism and western spies at worst. It is a 
complex issue, not as clear-cut a case of good as you might at first think, and 
NGOs are very aware of the pitfalls and issues - I think Harry has made a bit 
of a mistake with this.

B


> On 20 Dec 2014, at 02:06, John Coyle  wrote:
> 
> Jones is just a crass anti-royal - he doesn't seem to have asked to what use 
> the photos might be
> put, or if he did he hasn't told his readers.  If they enhance the 
> effectiveness of Harry's charity
> web site, surely that is a justifiable outcome?
> 
> John in Brisbane
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: OT: You Fuji owners may have firmware updates (and also be arrogant)
> 
> http://petapixel.com/2014/12/18/fujifilm-firmware-updates-add-big-new-features-x-t1-x-e2-x-e1-x-pro1
> /
> 
> Also, in case you didn't already know or suspect, you Fuji owners just might 
> be arrogant and
> colonial:
> http://petapixel.com/2014/12/19/columnist-prince-harry-photographing-africans-fujifilm-x100-arrogant
> -colonial/
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Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?

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On 20 Dec 2014, at 21:59, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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> 
> Anyone have suggestions as to how we might increase awareness of the
> PDML?
> 

We could hack Sony, maybe sell some photos for $6 million or so 

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Re: PESO - Wedding Feast

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That's interesting and nicely done. A bit too busy for me, but that's not your 
fault. 

It would have been nice if you'd included the edge of the table, showing some 
of the food and perhaps a knife or something breaking the edge. Still lifes of 
this purpose were used not only to show off the patron's wealth and good taste, 
but also to make a moral, allegorical point about the transitory nature of 
wealth, power and earthly pleasure. To do this the painter often showed 
something balancing precariously on the edge of the table, about to fall.

B



> On 21 Dec 2014, at 01:19, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/15447602163/
> 
> An 18th century wedding feast - what would have been with an affluent family. 
> Shot at the The Henry Ford's holiday nights thingy last night, where 
> historical holiday scenes are presented. The hard spot lights on the food did 
> not make for great lighting but a moderate amount of processing helps.
> 
> C&C welcome!
> 
> Mark
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Re: Was this year on PDML reMark!able?

[Bob W-PDML]

On 21 Dec 2014, at 11:43, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> In the relatively short time I have been a member there has certainly been a 
> reduction in the number or postings especially the sarcastic & jocular type 
> some of which are very clever (reMARK!able).

Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

B

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Jane Bown

[Bob W-PDML]

The BBC is reporting that Jane Bown has died. She was a great photographer, to 
the extent that in the recent discussions about photography as 'art', her 
portrait of Sam Beckett was cited as incontrovertible evidence in favour.

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jane-bown

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Re: PESO - Wedding Feast

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Two real masters of still life who are worth getting to know, if you don't know 
them already, are Jean-Baptiste-Simeon Chardin, and Lubin Baugin. 

The latter features in a really, really beautiful film called Tous les Matins 
du monde (All the mornings in the the world). 

As if one wasn't enough, the film stars two Depardieus unfortunately, but in 
this case the film easily outweighs Depardieu père and I recommend it highly.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tous_les_Matins_du_Monde

B



> On 21 Dec 2014, at 17:48, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> 
> Interesting information, Bill. Thanks
> 
> 
>> On 12/21/14 11:00 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
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>> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 08:40:44 +
>> From: Bob W-PDML
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>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> That's interesting and nicely done. A bit too busy for me, but that's not 
>> your fault.
>> 
>> It would have been nice if you'd included the edge of the table, showing 
>> some of the food and perhaps a knife or something breaking the edge. Still 
>> lifes of this purpose were used not only to show off the patron's wealth and 
>> good taste, but also to make a moral, allegorical point about the transitory 
>> nature of wealth, power and earthly pleasure. To do this the painter often 
>> showed something balancing precariously on the edge of the table, about to 
>> fall.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> >On 21 Dec 2014, at 01:19, Mark C  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/15447602163/
>>> >
>>> >An 18th century wedding feast - what would have been with an affluent 
>>> >family. Shot at the The Henry Ford's holiday nights thingy last night, 
>>> >where historical holiday scenes are presented. The hard spot lights on the 
>>> >food did not make for great lighting but a moderate amount of processing 
>>> >helps.
>>> >
>>> >C&C welcome!
>>> >
>>> >Mark
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Re: PESO - Wedding Feast

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On 21 Dec 2014, at 18:17, Bill  wrote:
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>> On 21/12/2014 12:05 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> Two real masters of still life who are worth getting to know, if you
>> don't know them already, are Jean-Baptiste-Simeon Chardin, and Lubin
>> Baugin.
>> 
>> The latter features in a really, really beautiful film called Tous
>> les Matins du monde (All the mornings in the the world).
>> 
>> As if one wasn't enough, the film stars two Depardieus unfortunately,
>> but in this case the film easily outweighs Depardieu père and I
>> recommend it highly.
>> 
>> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tous_les_Matins_du_Monde
> 
> Bob, I am in awe of what you know.

Thanks. Broad but shallow, I'm afraid.

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Re: PESO 2014 - 323 - GDG

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Nicely done. It looks more like Britain than California.

B



> On 22 Dec 2014, at 16:07, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> The past week has been a lot of rain here. The walk Saturday morning was half 
> in drizzle… 
> 
>  https://flic.kr/p/qdoVdd
> 
> Thanks for looking. 
> 
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Re: OT News

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Wonderful! Congratulations to all concerned.

B



> On 24 Dec 2014, at 17:09, David J Brooks  wrote:
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> sorry forgot the link
> 
> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/images/Clark1-.jpg
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Looks like i'm a grampa now.:-)
>> 
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Re: PESO 2014 - 309 - GDG

[Bob W-PDML]

And a very jolly multi-faith-and-no-faith winterval 
not-forgetting-all-those-who-have-to-work holiday to one and all!

Bob Scratchit



> On 24 Dec 2014, at 17:25, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
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> A fine holiday to all!
> 
>  https://flic.kr/p/qeVnZV
> 
> And a great year to come!
> 
> onwards!
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Re: OT News

[Bob W-PDML]

You should get 3 - a gold one, a frankincense one, and one made of myrrh, 
whatever the hell that is.

B



> On 24 Dec 2014, at 17:32, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> thank. I think this justifies  the cost of a 55-300 for stealth baby
> shots, right??
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Attila Boros  wrote:
>> Congratulations, Dave! I mean gramps ;-)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:52 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> Looks like i'm a grampa now.:-)
>>> 
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Re: OT News

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On 24 Dec 2014, at 21:28, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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> Bob W-PDML wrote:
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>> You should get 3 - a gold one, a frankincense one, and one made of myrrh, 
>> whatever the hell that is.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIjBO26qjYM
> 

That must be where I stole the joke from, because actually I do know what myrrh 
is - I've got a fridge full of the stuff.

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Re: OT News

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Retsina? Won't touch the stuff, not after that week in Piraeus and the slight 
misunderstanding with those 3 Evzones.

B

> On 24 Dec 2014, at 21:47, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Myrrh is the aromatic resin of a tree. Perhaps a lot like the resin of pine. 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> You should get 3 - a gold one, a frankincense one, and one made of myrrh, 
>> whatever the hell that is.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Dec 2014, at 17:32, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> 
>>> thank. I think this justifies  the cost of a 55-300 for stealth baby
>>> shots, right??
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Attila Boros  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Congratulations, Dave! I mean gramps ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:52 PM, David J Brooks  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Looks like i'm a grampa now.:-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
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Re: Happy Holidays from Chicago!

[Bob W-PDML]

And the same to you!



> On 24 Dec 2014, at 21:42, Christine Aguila  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone:
> 
> Wishing you all the very best this holiday season and in the coming New Year!
> 
> http://www.caguila.com/xmascard2014/content/michigan_avenue_large.html
> 
> Big Cheers, Christine and Darrel
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Re: No fool'in

[Bob W-PDML]

He's not allowed into the UK any more since Nigel Farage discovered he's 
Turkish.

B

> On 25 Dec 2014, at 06:16, Christine Aguila  wrote:
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> I just saw Santa fly by.  Totally cool!  Cheers, Christine 
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Re: No fool'in

[Bob W-PDML]

It's true:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30600469

B

> On 25 Dec 2014, at 11:51, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> OK, enough Christmas cheer, Christine. :)
> 
> Jack
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christine Aguila" 
> 
> I just saw Santa fly by.  Totally cool!  Cheers, Christine 
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Re: OT:Christmas Dinner

[Bob W-PDML]

Other things being more or less equal, it's a good idea to choose cork because 
it helps to maintain a unique ecosystem and culture.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/aug/22/cork-screw-cap-wine-environment

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/rob_on_the_road/2148738.stm

In a choice between two bottles of similar type and quality I don't mind paying 
a little bit more for the one with the cork, not just because of the cork 
industry, but also because of the ritual aspect of pulling the cork - it makes 
the wine taste better!

B



> On 26 Dec 2014, at 04:55, Ken Waller  wrote:
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> I doubt in a blind test if I could tell the difference between corked or 
> capped wine.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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> - Original Message - From: "Bill" 
> Subject: OT:Christmas Dinner
> 
> 
>> The last of the guests just went home, and Christmas dinner was very much a 
>> success.
>> We seated nine this year, including ourselves, and served roasted chickens, 
>> one with bread stuffing, the other with sausage, yam cooked with maple syrup 
>> and cranberries (very, very yummy), mashed potatoes (sounds boring, but I 
>> did them, and I start everything with a generous amount of butter, they were 
>> pretty good), mixed veggies in a white wine and cheese sauce, gravy, of 
>> course. I served a Spanish Rose and a Chilean Carmenere, and had a Sauvignon 
>> Blanc, another Chilean entry ready, but no one wanted white, so it stayed 
>> capped.
>> Yes, capped. More and more of the wines we are getting here are screw 
>> capped. Apparently it is nearly as good, but I still prefer pulling a cork.
>> Anyway, no family this year, but instead, friends of our choosing. It was 
>> refreshing, pleasant conversation, lots of laughing and fine humor.
>> A good time was had by all.
>> 
>> Merry Christmas and a happy day off to everyone.
>> 
>> bill
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Re: Gordon Parks Exhibition in Boston

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Fantastic photos, thanks. I love that Life / Magnum style of humanist 
photography, and the composition of the individual shots, the b&w tonality etc. 
are all wonderful. And it's very timely. 

It would be nice to see them laid out on a page with text. One of the lost arts 
is laying out a photo essay as a set on a double-page spread, making different 
pictures work together so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. 
I have a book of great Life photo essays, and the layouts are really important.

On the other hand, the paper prints don't have the ringing beauty of the 
back-lit digital versions.

B



> On 28 Dec 2014, at 17:26, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> Just a heads up for our Bostonian PDMLers—and anyone traveling to that area!
> 
> The G. Parks exhibition will be at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.  Looks 
> wonderful!
> 
> Here’s more from the NYT
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/28/arts/design/gordon-parks-photos-document-segregation.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=mini-moth®ion=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0#
>  
> 
> 
> For those who can’t attend, there’s a nice slideshow at the link above.
> 
> 
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Re: Gordon Parks Exhibition in Boston

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> On 28 Dec 2014, at 18:08, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> It would be nice to see them laid out on a page with text. One of the lost 
>> arts is laying out a photo essay as a set on a double-page spread, making 
>> different pictures work together so that the whole is greater than the sum 
>> of the parts. I have a book of great Life photo essays, and the layouts are 
>> really important.
> 
>  I have the Life book entitled Our Century in Pictures—are you speaking of 
> this one or a different one?

I have one called Great Photographic Essays from Life. I also have a book 
called W Eugene Smith and the Photographic Essay, which contains reprints of 
some of his great essays.

> 
> Actually, that could be a fun PDML project, that is, people could use slides 
> from PowerPoint or Keynote, resize them to the double spread size of, say, 
> Life Magazine, layout the photo essay,  then export each slide as a JPEG—then 
> post as usual.  Folks could include originally written text if they wanted, 
> or not.
> 
> Could be a way to help sharpen our photo essay skills.  Just  a thought.  

Sounds a lot like hard work! There are blog templates which can be used for 
this sort of thing.

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Re: PESO: Chilling in Calais

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On 28 Dec 2014, at 21:20, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
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> Been chilling (pun intended) in Calais all afternoon until the light was 
> gone, playing around with the K-3 and the HD DA 55-300 mm. Thought you might 
> like this one of ferry MFL Berlioz leaving Calais for Dover, shortly after 
> sunset:
> 
> http://www.fotoralf.be/temp/D-14-04043.jpg
> 
> Will be taking her sister ship, the MFL Rodin, tomorrow morning for a daytrip 
> to the UK.
> 

Good luck with that - the trains are a bit chaotic at the moment. I'm heading 
to Yorkshire for a few days tomorrow. It remains to be seen if I actually get 
there.

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Re: The PDML Holiday Tradition

[Bob W-PDML]

You have become a metaPDMLer

B


> On 30 Dec 2014, at 20:25, DagT  wrote:
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> Nice, I have been mentioned without being quoted :-)
> 
> DagT
> 
>> 25. des. 2014 kl. 02.38 skrev Mark Roberts :
>> 
>> Happy holidays all! I just picked up Lisa from the hospital (yeah,
>> working till 8:30 on Christmas eve) so the celebrations can begin
>> here.
>> 
>> Here's for all of you: http://www.robertstech.com/quote.htm
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Re: Happy new year from England

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Same to you and to everyone else,

B



> On 1 Jan 2015, at 01:49, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> To PDMLers obvious or lurking, prominent or cloaked, developed or latent
> - a peaceful and prosperous 2015 to you all.
> 
> Best wishes, Cotty
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Re: PESO: Moon Over Wildcat

[Bob W-PDML]

Why not just post stuff to websites that don't require instructions to use 
them, and don't hassle people to download an app to look at a picture?

B

> On 1 Jan 2015, at 17:10, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
>> Yes, Pinterest is very annoying for non-members.
>> I was able to scroll down and thus see the entire image, a slice at a
>> time, and it does seem quite nice.  I'm sure it would look better if I
>> could view it all at once .  .  .  .
> 
> Dan, just click the "Image" button at the top of the page (next to
> "Pin It" and "Like".
> 
 http://www.pinterest.com/pin/322570392035498383/
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Re: PESO: Moon Over Wildcat

[Bob W-PDML]

Ta, that's a lovely shot. 

B



> On 1 Jan 2015, at 17:45, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Bob W-PDML wrote:
> 
>> Why not just post stuff to websites that don't require instructions to use 
>> them, and don't hassle people to download an app to look at a picture?
> 
> Here's the Really Easy link for you, Bob:
> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/11/bb/10/11bb10ca7ab6e015f14808ed74f5cc0e.jpg
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Re: OT: Go Pro

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On 3 Jan 2015, at 21:28, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 3/1/15, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Not quite correct when talking to a US-based list member.
>> 
>> In the US, there are two  different formats used for broadcast HD TV;
>> 720p (1280 x 720 progressive), and 1080i (1920 x 1080 interlaced).
>> (IIRC CBS broadcasts in 1080i, while ABC & NBC decided to use 720p)
>> Blu-Ray discs & players also support 1080p at either 60fps or 24fps.
> 
> I stand corrected.
> 
> 
> 
> Naturally I speak from the centre of the planet which revolves around
> England ;-)
> 

More specifically, it apparently revolves around Scarfolk, which may explain 
some of the anomalous events that may or may not happen there. If there is 
indeed a there there.

B
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Re: OT: Go Pro

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On 4 Jan 2015, at 05:11, David Mann  wrote:
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>> [...]
> 
> I have given thought to making a film about training and racing but it'd be 
> well beyond my skill and budget to produce to my satisfaction.
> 

"All you need to make a good film is a girl and a gun"

--- Jean-Luc Godard
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OT: Another thing about getting old

[Bob W-PDML]

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/age-means-youre-less-certain-if-a-baboon-or-badger-would-win-in-a-fight--gyrW9qiFZg

Dunno about you, but I'd bet on the baboon every time.

Well, I say every time, but ask me again next year and I might not be so sure.

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Re: PESO: Oxford Circus

[Bob W-PDML]

It captures well the bustle of Oxford Circus (world capital of pickpocketing), 
but the hdr is too heavy-handed for my taste, particularly on the buildings and 
the paving stones.

I occasionally try to browse things on pinterest when google has sent me there, 
but it's a waste of time trying. What happened to the idea of the open 
internet? Organisations like pinterest can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.

B

> On 6 Jan 2015, at 14:28, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> 7-exposures went into making this one:
> http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/82/88/8e/82888edefb57efc3d3911d6ea88f0382.jpg
> 
> That's a direct link to the image on Pinterest, so
> non-Pinterest-members should be able to view it (the standard link is
> http://www.pinterest.com/pin/322570392035559536/).
> Out of curiosity after last week's image and reported issues I made an
> inquiry to Pinterest about non-members having difficulty browsing the
> site. To my amazement they admitted that there's no way for someone to
> just browse through Pinterest without first signing up to join! The
> representative a communicated with did agree that this was an
> astonishing limitation for anyone hoping to use Pinterest to promote
> business or their work, so perhaps they'll fix this issue in the
> future.
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Re: PESO: Near the Peak

[Bob W-PDML]

Really beautiful country - I love the Carpathians, what I've seen of them.
B



> On 6 Jan 2015, at 19:30, Attila Boros  wrote:
> 
> An older photo, taken while hiking in the Carpathians. Pentax K10D and
> DA 21mm Limited.
> 
> https://500px.com/photo/94848451/near-the-peak-by-attila-boros
> 
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Re: OT: Another thing about getting old

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I plan to live forever, and knowing my mythology I took the precaution of 
specifying eternal youth, so I won't end up like Tithonos, a dried out old 
cicada chirping away in the undergrowth.

B



> On 6 Jan 2015, at 17:31, John  wrote:
> 
> About the only good thing you can say about getting old is that it is 
> preferable to the only alternative.
> 
> ... that and the senior discount if you get to the buffet before 4:00pm.
> 
>> On 1/5/2015 1:33 AM, Alan C wrote:
>> Agree. An adult male baboon is a formidable opponent in it's weight group.
>> No match for a leopard, mind you.
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
>> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 5:02 PM
>> To: Mail List Pentax-Discuss
>> Subject: OT: Another thing about getting old
>> 
>> http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/age-means-youre-less-certain-if-a-baboon-or-badger-would-win-in-a-fight--gyrW9qiFZg
>> 
>> 
>> Dunno about you, but I'd bet on the baboon every time.
>> 
>> Well, I say every time, but ask me again next year and I might not be so
>> sure.
>> 
>> B
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Re: OT: Another thing about getting old

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Having written that, I'll probably be attacked by eagles on my way to work 
tomorrow, killed, and fed to their chicks in some lofty eyrie.

B


> On 6 Jan 2015, at 20:23, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> I plan to live forever, and knowing my mythology I took the precaution of 
> specifying eternal youth, so I won't end up like Tithonos, a dried out old 
> cicada chirping away in the undergrowth.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2015, at 17:31, John  wrote:
>> 
>> About the only good thing you can say about getting old is that it is 
>> preferable to the only alternative.
>> 
>> ... that and the senior discount if you get to the buffet before 4:00pm.
>> 
>>> On 1/5/2015 1:33 AM, Alan C wrote:
>>> Agree. An adult male baboon is a formidable opponent in it's weight group.
>>> No match for a leopard, mind you.
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 5:02 PM
>>> To: Mail List Pentax-Discuss
>>> Subject: OT: Another thing about getting old
>>> 
>>> http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/age-means-youre-less-certain-if-a-baboon-or-badger-would-win-in-a-fight--gyrW9qiFZg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dunno about you, but I'd bet on the baboon every time.
>>> 
>>> Well, I say every time, but ask me again next year and I might not be so
>>> sure.
>>> 
>>> B
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Re: OT: Another thing about getting old

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Yes, but somebody has to do it.

B

> On 7 Jan 2015, at 03:00, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
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> it must be pretty tough being you Bob...
> 
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 20:24:39 +0000
> Bob W-PDML  wrote:
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>> Having written that, I'll probably be attacked by eagles on my way to
>> work tomorrow, killed, and fed to their chicks in some lofty eyrie.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Jan 2015, at 20:23, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I plan to live forever, and knowing my mythology I took the
>>> precaution of specifying eternal youth, so I won't end up like
>>> Tithonos, a dried out old cicada chirping away in the undergrowth.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Jan 2015, at 17:31, John  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> About the only good thing you can say about getting old is that it
>>>> is preferable to the only alternative.
>>>> 
>>>> ... that and the senior discount if you get to the buffet before
>>>> 4:00pm.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/5/2015 1:33 AM, Alan C wrote:
>>>>> Agree. An adult male baboon is a formidable opponent in it's
>>>>> weight group. No match for a leopard, mind you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan C
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 5:02 PM
>>>>> To: Mail List Pentax-Discuss
>>>>> Subject: OT: Another thing about getting old
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/age-means-youre-less-certain-if-a-baboon-or-badger-would-win-in-a-fight--gyrW9qiFZg
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dunno about you, but I'd bet on the baboon every time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I say every time, but ask me again next year and I might
>>>>> not be so sure.
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>> 
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Re: PESO Seriously?

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On 7 Jan 2015, at 20:16, steve harley  wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-01-06 7:36 , Bruce Walker wrote:
>> My plush model, Gandalf, in a more soft, flattering light. Warning:
>> Photo contains cat.
>> 
>> https://500px.com/photo/94757277/gandalf-by-bruce-walker
> 
> i like cats, and this is very attractive
> 
> the lighting really works — i like how the wall contrasts differently on each 
> side of Gandalf; it has a strange tension for me too — sort of a formal 
> portrait in pose, but also threatening, like he's about to bat at something 
> with his right paw; a more relaxed, sinuous pose, with tail fully in view, 
> might really show off that fur
> 

Taxidermy has made real strides in recent years!

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Re: PESO 2015 - 009 - GDG

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I don't understand the concept of going out for breakfast, especially a quick 
one. A couple of my friends say things like 

"let's meet at such-and-such a place for breakfast", to which I reply 

"maybe some other time", which is Bobspeak for 

"are you completely out of your mind? I'm not going to get up, do my ablutions, 
dress, stagger out into the cold and rain, schlep along to wherever the hell it 
is and drink bad coffee while having to talk to someone when I can stay at 
home, unwashed and undressed, barely moving, and drink good coffee and talk to 
myself. Are you crazy or what?".

B



> On 11 Jan 2015, at 17:57, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I've barely had time to pick up a camera for the past week. And I didn't have 
> time for my Saturday morning walk yesterday. But I did run down to the cafe 
> to enjoy a quick breakfast with some friends, and I brought the camera with 
> me. It only takes a moment…
> 
>  https://flic.kr/p/qtU2jU
> 
> Thanks for looking. Comments always appreciated.
> 
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> 
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Re: January PUG now up!

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It's a really good gallery. I'm not going to pick any favourites in case ann 
gets big-headed. 

I don't normally like 'abstract' photography because a) it's never abstract and 
b) it's normally just a case of 'can you tell what this extreme close-up is?', 
for this gallery I'll make a rare exception.

B



> On 11 Jan 2015, at 10:14, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> G'day all
> 
> The largest gallery for a while gets us off to a great start for 2015.
> 
> The most intriguing image for me is Dario's 'Those Eyes' - just brilliant - 
> but I also really like Jack's 'Graphic thought' and Henk's 'Tree Zombie - 
> look closely and you'll see it!.
> 
> Lots of other good stuff - well done all.  Keep it going!!
> 
> As usual, you'll find the gallery here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/
> 
> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery there).
> 
> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not 
> infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the 
> gallery, let me know.
> 
> +
> 
> Next up is 'On the Beach'.
> 
> Submit here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
> 
> Submission Guidelines here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
> 
> The main requirements are:
> * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
> * Max file size: 300k
> * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens 
> used is Pentax.
> * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that 
> the image is displayed correctly on line.
> * Nominal closing date is 31 January.
> 
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> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> 
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Re: A new year's resolution already

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She's more than a mistress, Paul. She's a wife, she's a mother, she's an errant 
child. She can make you laugh, she can make you cry. She can bring tears to my 
eyes, she can bring blood to my shoulder. She can bring the kettle to the boil. 
Like football, photography's about nothing unless it's about something. Just 
ask the great Alan Latchley - he'll say the same thing, at 11:50:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23t6x8_clive-anderson-talks-back-peter-cook_fun


> On 11 Jan 2015, at 20:19, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Photography is fun, but she's a mistress who offers little in return for 
> one's affection. Enjoy her delights but get on with your life.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> Another message I intended to send back in late December. Again,still true.
>> 
>> --
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>> I do it with some trepidation, but if it’s going to be more than empty words 
>> this is the place to start: In the coming year photography will be a highest 
>> priority in my life, up there with eating and sleeping and being nice to my 
>> lovely girl friend. 
>> 
>> I’ve done a fair bit of photography this year, more than any year ever. It’s 
>> been fairly diverse—photo documentation of a youth development program, 
>> first attempts at portraiture, fair bits of nature and sports photography. I 
>> carry my camera with me all the time, but there are long gaps with no 
>> shooting at all. And there are a couple types of photography that call out 
>> to me—landscape and wildlife—that I have yet to seriously attempt. I have 
>> ideas for a couple projects that would combine photography and writing. 
>> 
>> But there will have to be more than words. I will have to plan to go out of 
>> my way—my usual way—and follow through on the plans. Having spoken here it’s 
>> more likely that I will.
>> 
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Re: A new year's resolution already

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On 12 Jan 2015, at 01:45, steve harley  wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-01-11 17:59 , Eric Weir wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
 
 ... What’s the secret of wildlife?
>>> 
>>> Study, patience, discomfort, waiting, and more patience.
>>> :-)
>> 
>> Thanks, Godfrey. I’ve imagined that it’s not unlike hunting, which I did a 
>> fair bit of when I was a kid.
> 
> when you asked the secret of wildlife (photography), it tickled a thought 
> that has stuck with me for decades — a comment by Gary Snyder (naturalist 
> poet and student of Zen) that he thought Zen had in part developed out of the 
> state of mind of the primeval hunter; for me, developing patience and 
> openness to raw experience are a big part of my contemplative approach to 
> photography
> 

How did he know the state of mind of the primeval hunter?

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Re: A new year's resolution already

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On 12 Jan 2015, at 00:59, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ... What’s the secret of wildlife?
>> 
>> Study, patience, discomfort, waiting, and more patience. 
>> :-)
> 
> Thanks, Godfrey. I’ve imagined that it’s not unlike hunting, which I did a 
> fair bit of when I was a kid.
> 

Henri Cartier-Bresson was briefly a big-game hunter in West Africa before he 
was a photographer, and often compared the two. You can see it in many of his 
photographs, where the person is set against a target-like background.

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Re: My morning at minus 15 F with a three headed dog.

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On 14 Jan 2015, at 04:12, David Mann  wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:36 am, Donald Guthrie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for all the kudos on this photo. Winter has it's challenges but I am 
>> making a concerted effort to keep taking pictures. It got down to -16F here 
>> last night. ( I think F & C meet at minus 40).
>> 
>> At least the sun is out today. Of course recently we had 3 suns which 
>> requires really cold conditions. Check out the link below for a view that I 
>> assume is unknown In Oz and other southern climes.
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/p/qtVtUW
> 
> That's impressive, but I don't see why we wouldn't see them down south.  It 
> does sometimes get cold here too, you know ;)
> 

Yes, but wouldn't it be a three-headed dingo?

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Re: My morning at minus 15 F with a three headed dog.

[Bob W-PDML]

On 14 Jan 2015, at 09:34, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> Quoting Bob W-PDML :
> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2015, at 04:12, David Mann  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:36 am, Donald Guthrie  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for all the kudos on this photo. Winter has it's challenges but I 
>>>> am making a concerted effort to keep taking pictures. It got down to -16F 
>>>> here last night. ( I think F & C meet at minus 40).
>>>> 
>>>> At least the sun is out today. Of course recently we had 3 suns which 
>>>> requires really cold conditions. Check out the link below for a view that 
>>>> I assume is unknown In Oz and other southern climes.
>>>> 
>>>> https://flic.kr/p/qtVtUW
>>> 
>>> That's impressive, but I don't see why we wouldn't see them down south.  It 
>>> does sometimes get cold here too, you know ;)
>> 
>> Yes, but wouldn't it be a three-headed dingo?
> 
> 
> 
> In New Zealand?
> 

It's still part of Australia isn't it, even if it still only 1957 there, and 
you haven't dragged yourselves into the 70s like the rest of the country!

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Re: PSEO: On the Steps, Art Institute of Chicago

[Bob W-PDML]

I think you need to step away from the HDR button for a while.
B



> On 14 Jan 2015, at 14:39, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/originals/40/62/7c/40627c2ef8b1667caf6bfd1a51aa804d.jpg
> or
> http://www.pinterest.com/pin/322570392035657746/
> 
> From my trip to Chicago a couple of months ago (while waiting for Bob
> Sullivan and Christing Aguila outside the Art Institute).
> 
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Nouvelle Vague

[Bob W-PDML]

I went with some friends to a rather subdued Paris for the day on Monday to 
look at the Truffaut exhibition at the Cinematheque - highly recommended! 

In the cafeteria we saw this scene, which is so typically Nouvelle Vague it 
could have been set up specially for me:

http://www.web-options.com/Truffaut/content/DSCF1732_large.html

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Re: Nouvelle Vague

[Bob W-PDML]

Thanks - I agree with you, it needs a bit of work. Also, I forgot to change the 
iso back from 800.

B



> On 16 Jan 2015, at 21:13, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I like the composition a lot but find ;the rendering a bit muddy, with 
> blocked up shadow detail and dark midrange tones.
>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> I went with some friends to a rather subdued Paris for the day on Monday to 
>> look at the Truffaut exhibition at the Cinematheque - highly recommended! 
>> 
>> In the cafeteria we saw this scene, which is so typically Nouvelle Vague it 
>> could have been set up specially for me:
>> 
>> http://www.web-options.com/Truffaut/content/DSCF1732_large.html
>> 
>> B
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Re: PESO Gothic Geisha

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Very dramatic, and technically accomplished.

B



> On 17 Jan 2015, at 03:14, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Emily Yoshizawa is a clothing designer, an artisan, a Japanese
> language translator and a friend. She was keen to do another creative
> photoshoot after having enjoyed our first collaboration last fall, so
> I had her and a model friend over on Wednesday. My excuse of course
> was to get more air time with the new lighting gear that Santa brought
> me.
> 
> This is one of the first shots to shout loudly at me from the
> Lightroom grid view:
> 
> https://500px.com/photo/95907507/gothic-geisha-by-bruce-walker
> 
> Model, hair, styling: Emily Yoshizawa
> Makeup: Bronwyn Martens
> 
> K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 at 45mm/f:14, 1/160th sec, ISO 100;
> Lighting: PCB Einstein in Westcott Medium Apollo, camera-left;
> Einstein with socked 22" beauty dish on background, camera-right;
> Lr + Ps
> 
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Re: PESO: Lunch Photo

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On 23 Jan 2015, at 19:29, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>> she probably found a bug in the lettuce.
> 
> No, she seemed quite proud of it.  I think she was showing someone
> that she bought a salad, rather than the usual hi-calorie Hawaiian
> plate lunch, with meat or fish, rices macaroni salad, onion gravy and
> fruit.
> 

She doesn't look like someone who ingests a superfluity of calories.

Homer's lunch looks much nicer anyway:

http://vimeo.com/96908790

I love the comments (as well as the animation, obviously).

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Re: OT: excuses,excuses,excuses

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Get better quick!

Love the photos - no idea where they are.

Bikinis in 1944? Maybe:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini#/image/File:Villa_del_Casale_-_jeu_de_balle.jpeg


B



> On 23 Jan 2015, at 17:22, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Guys , sorry to be so absent but just haven't been able to get too involved 
> in anything but my stuff right now... I have randomly clicked on PESO's now 
> and then and sometimes wrote someone off list - the people I'm closer to in 
> real life, mostly.
> 
> I've got bursitis. It blossomed a few weeks ago, lapsed and came back in 
> spades when I used the leg that had it to stop myself from falling when I 
> walked into my tripod in my living room.  The living room is
> really my edbay photography studio and I had moved the T-pod from its
> normal space to clear the table when I friend came to visit..
> That was about 10 days ago..
> 
> I now am walking with a cane all the time and taking a trolly cart
> when I go out - takes me 3 times as long to get anywhere and back and hence 
> shortens my productive hours.
> 
> rest, elevation, ice. repeat.  I'm not totally healed - but things
> are much less painful.  Of coruse I did it to myself initially trying
> to carry far too much for my small frame down 3 flights of stairs.
> 
> I have two friends/neighbors who are helping me haul things up the stairs 
> when I get home... I don't feel too bad about asking one of them in 
> particular to do that as I get his mail when he is away and his work
> schedule is such that he often gets a few weeks at a time off - while here it 
> is intense workload 4 days a week.
> 
> I've been using my offic chairs with wheels as wheelchairs to propel myself 
> around the apartment part of the time.  it is so easy that
> could make me lazy - trying not to let that happen.
> 
> I can't carry my camera outside at all so no street shooting for a while.
> 
> I have been cooking somewhat having discovered a trick with my
> toaster oven that isn't revealed in the instructions. I can bake
> in it... by NOT using the bake dial except to get it up to temperature.
> then turning to "warm" to get only the bottom element to come on.  Made
> delicious blue cornmeal and pine nut muffins.
> 
> treated myself to delivery of a large batch of goods from Trader Joes
> on the 14th
> 
> so I'm getting by but don't feel like doing much, thinking much.
> tv, words with friends, phone visits with friends and family.
> and I got "finding Vivian Maier" out of the library and watched
> it 3 times.  Obviously, I love it.
> 
> I'm still searching for the location of a couple of photos
> .. I thought maybe Florida but now think California..
> 
> anyone know?...
> 
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/Friends-and-Family/Blackstone-family-vintage/i-ckpkZGk/A
> 
> thanks for the "likes" I got on the January PUG shot.  The gallery overall 
> was terrific this month,methinks
> 
> ann
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Re: Back up software

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I don't use a back-up program, in the sense of one that compresses everything, 
I use SyncToy on a 64-bit W7 box, which copies the files but still has the 
options for full, incremental etc. copying, which is more flexible than imaging 
the disk, but slower. It's a bit of MS freeware. Very simple, does its job 
well. You can test the back up by using the files in the destination just as 
you would in the source, and if you have to redtore it's just a case of using 
Synctoy in the other direction - no decrypting or decompressing or any crap 
like that.

B



> On 24 Jan 2015, at 17:02, Bill  wrote:
> 
> I'm playing around with back up software. The one that I was using (Acronis) 
> won't work with the type of disc formatting Windows 7 has created (GPT or 
> some such).
> I've always just done this sort of thing manually by dragging and dropping 
> from one drive to another, but there must be an easier way.
> What are some good back up programs that work in a Win7 64 bit environment?
> I am not concerned about free, I want something that works easily and doesn't 
> create it's own type of file as a back up (Acronis, as an example, creates 
> something with it's own file extension and calls that a back up).
> I suspect what I am looking for is something that creates a disc image.
> 
> thanks
> 
> bill
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Re: PESO - Lora's Granola

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On 24 Jan 2015, at 23:48, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> nono this is pun dml

We're cereal punsters

> 
> Interesting shot, Rick little too grainy though
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 1/24/2015 13:32, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> Can't we bar these puns?
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Mark C  wrote:
>>> Nice light and tonality but the image is a little grainy...
>>> 
 On 1/23/2015 9:33 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
 
 Something about this appealed to me. I don't even like granola.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17950425&size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA 16-45)
 
 Comments appreciated!
 
 Rick
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Re: GESO Clark meets Great Grama

[Bob W-PDML]

That's quite something. It'll be 2105 when he has his 92nd birthday.

B



> On 25 Jan 2015, at 16:52, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1077570
> 
> Since most people here think my 'small galleries' of 130 pictures or
> more, are not small, i submit 10 photos added to Photo.net for you.
> Grandson Clark met up with great grama for her 92ND birthday and his 1
> one month Anny.
> 
> K-r, Sigma 17-70, AF360 for fill
> 
> Dave
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Re: OT: Two Feet of Snow

[Bob W-PDML]

How come you always load your Pentax
When I'm in the nude?
We oughta have a birthday party,
And you can wear your birthday clothes
We can hit the floor
And go explore those
Popsicle toes.



> On 27 Jan 2015, at 18:58, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> What two feet of snow in New York City looks like:
> http://mlkshk.com/p/12IN0
> 
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Re: My 2014 "best of"

[Bob W-PDML]

Superb selection. Bon voyage!

B



> On 28 Jan 2015, at 22:05, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> A quick selection which includes the 3 shots I just sent to Mark for his 
> consideration in the Annual.
> 
> http://www.zenfolio.com/smhphotos/p344979433
> 
> I’m outta here tomorrow for a trip to Argentina, with an Antarctic drive-by. 
> I expect I may have a few more images when I get back in 3 weeks.
> 
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Re: OT: Artist Develops 31 Rolls of Lost Film Shot by a Soldier in WWII

[Bob W-PDML]

Fascinating, thanks. 

B



> On 30 Jan 2015, at 17:17, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=Iztyk&m=3hPjFrH1DJsqOiF&b=_fSgOVpmgsdAil.NMaXmQA
> 
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Re: PESO -- Untitled

[Bob W-PDML]

On 31 Jan 2015, at 15:00, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Peter, I'm getting a 404.
> 
> Rick

A wise choice - Pierrot le fou would be proud of you.

http://www.parisbalade.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Belmondo-Peugeot-404.jpg

B


> 
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:10 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
> 
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20---%20untitled_K5I8203.html
> 
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
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Re: PESO - Window Shopping, Oxford 2015

[Bob W-PDML]

Magnificent. Now you're going to have to change the name of your company to 
match the number plate.

B



> On 31 Jan 2015, at 20:24, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 31/1/15, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Is "kitting it out" something like "pimping it out?"
> 
> You got it Jack.
> 
> Pic on here:
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Boris 2015 #01 - Company

[Bob W-PDML]

On 31 Jan 2015, at 20:29, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 31/1/15, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>>> For some reason that I cannot possibly imagine, this photo is very
>>> popular with a certain group of people on Google+...
>>> 
>>> Have a look :-)
>>> 
>>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2015/01/2015-01-company.html
> 
> That's really nice Boris, but you know what, I think I could do with
> just a looser bit of framing. :)
> 

Yes. And probably better with a concrete floor. And tables instead of chairs. 
Plus I think the shadows are a bit distracting, so maybe if it was taken in 
overcast conditions. Or better still, an oil painting! By someone else.

B
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Re: K3 questions.

[Bob W-PDML]

On 31 Jan 2015, at 20:38, John  wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Well, if the putative "full-frame" Pentax DSLR gets announced anytime
> soon & the body comes in anywhere under $2000, I've got almost enough
> saved up again.
> 
> I'll be set if it comes out sometime before GFM Nature Photography
> Weekend or I don't find another guitar I want to buy.
> 
> 

There's one for sale here:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31070330

B

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Re: Boris 2015 #01 - Company

[Bob W-PDML]

On 31 Jan 2015, at 23:43, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 31/1/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Yes. And probably better with a concrete floor. And tables instead of
>> chairs. Plus I think the shadows are a bit distracting, so maybe if it
>> was taken in overcast conditions. Or better still, an oil painting! By
>> someone else.
> 
> Point taken.

Just pulling your plonker, man.

B
> 
> The photograph is presented as the photographer intended. Like it or lump it.
> 
> I didn't see the original post, were comments and critiques invited?
> 
> I never invite comments and critiques > ;-)
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Re: Peso: recent greeting card design

[Bob W-PDML]

Gives you a nice, warm glow and makes you feel uplifted doesn't it?



> On 1 Feb 2015, at 07:56, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Nice, Ann!
> 
> I like the sample text you inserted .  .  .  .
> 
> Dan Matyola
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> 
>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> Up on cafepress already.
>> 
>> http://annsan.smugmug.com/Graphic-Design/Anns-design-work/i-kNQpGdT
>> 
>> I found the shot when looking for an "on the Beach" photo for Feb pug...
>> Took in 1991 with my trusty LX - and Kodakchrome 64
>> 
>> I thought about the --um-- inspirational inscription having recently
>> see a real one of that ilk
>> 
>> Off to bed now, feel like crap - but at least i figure I got some work done
>> 
>> ann
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Re: Bill Owen failing

[Bob W-PDML]

That's really sad to hear. We old-timers have known each other for so long, 
online and in bricks & mortar (that's Bobish for 'pubs'), that it's hard to 
imagine life without everyone from this strange group of misfits. Please let 
his family know that his friends are with them.

B



> On 2 Feb 2015, at 15:11, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
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> My wife heard from Phyllis Owen this morning at 7:15 am.
> The owner of 'pdml central' from Grandfather Mt. is failing
> after 5 years of health issues.
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Re: Peso-Closeup Snow Goose

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On 2 Feb 2015, at 19:39, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> Too bad I wasted my rare stroke of good luck on a goose, huh?

Haven't seen one of these for a while:

Mark!

B
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