RE: American looneyism

2000-05-11 Thread Max B. Sawicky

You don't get down here much, do you?

We've got statues of Confederate war heroes (sic) honored
by placement in public squares, state governments fly the
stars and bars, so why not a Confederate History Month?
(don't ask me what 'confederate history' is supposed
to mean, as opposed to 'civil war history'.)

mbs



What is with the US. A confederate month in Virginia? How do they think
that they can get away with it?

Rod Hay




Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne


 Trotsky was very smart.
 
 So why did Stalin outsmart him in the struggle for power?




Re: [weisbrot-columns] (fwd)

2000-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne


 This discussion is of no interest to the list. 

How do you know that?




Re: American looneyism

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown



 Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/00 10:01PM 
What is with the US. A confederate month in Virginia? How do they think
that they can get away with it?



CB: They know they can get away with it because they've always been able to get away 
with it.

CB




Re: Re: Baseball and economic growth

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown



 Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/08/00 04:11PM 
At 01:06 PM 5/8/00 -0700, you wrote:
Yes, baseball is like craft-based capitalism;

I think that the phrase "craft-based capitalism" is somewhat contradictory. 
I think a better phrase would be "craft-based commodity exchange." Even 
though professional baseball clearly reflects the class system it thrives 
in (though in surprising ways), the game itself is much more egalitarian 
than say, football. Baseball is egalitarian -- but also individualistic, 
because of the batter vs. pitcher battle which dominates the game.

Football reminds me more of the army -- or of simple cooperation-based 
capitalism, with its hierarchy and its production process, which works more 
in parallel (everyone doing a different task, all at the same time) rather 
than in sequence (like an assembly line or a bucket-brigade).



CB: Who says we can't do semiotic analysis ? 

How about baseball is a combination of proletarians ( the batter with the bat as a 
tool makes runs by hitting the ball) and peasants who are out in the field. But 
contradictorily the pitcher is also the capitalist who sets the process in motion with 
the pitch. The batter and the pitcher are in class conflict.

Baseball relative to football is competitive era capitalism, and football is 
capitalism in the era of imperialism with trench warfare and taking territory like 
WWI. 

CB




Re: Re: [weisbrot-columns] (fwd)

2000-05-11 Thread Michael Perelman

I am not going to rise to your bait.  Your love of stirring up
controversy keeps you from being able to be a positive contributor to
the list.

Ricardo Duchesne wrote:

  This discussion is of no interest to the list.

 How do you know that?

--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
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[weisbrot-columns] (fwd)

2000-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne

I dont want to disrupt the deep discussion  on the dictatorship of the 
proletariat; or perhaps I dont have to considering its strong 
similarity with what's going on below: the enlightenment trust in 
one's ability to achieve "pure moral insight":  of 
 living in a world system charecterized by systemic inequalities,
yet reject the  "dominant culture (US) and my own culture" yet become 
"a true cosmopolitan" in that same world system! 

 

 Mine Doyran
 Phd student
 Political Science
 SUNY/Albany
 
 




Re: crime stats.

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown



 Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/08/00 12:07PM 
Jim Devine wrote:

What's the leftist explanation of this trend?

A couple of years ago, I interviewed a bunch of crime pundits on the 
downtrend. The consensus was: 1) the decline of crack (driven, 
several of them said, by younger people seeing how ravaged their 
older siblings and neighbors were by the drug), 2) a smaller teen 
population, and 3) community policing. I can't vouch for these 
explanations, but they were given by people from the "left" to the 
center.

___

CB: I have to agree with Jim D. that the drop in unemployment would be a traditional 
left mentioned factor.  Leftists usually argue that crime is economically based, and 
there is an obvious coincidence of the down trend in the two "stats" in this empirical 
case.


CB




Re: American looneyism

2000-05-11 Thread Doug Henwood

Rod Hay wrote:

What is with the US. A confederate month in Virginia? How do they think
that they can get away with it?

Not to apologize too much for U.S. lunacy, it seems like you 
Canadians are experiencing the kind of hard-right lunacy we did 
10-15-20 years ago - Ralph Klein, Mike Harris, that Christian 
reactionary whose name I can't remember who's nudging aside that 
other nutcase Preston Manning, etc. etc.

Doug




Re: RE: American looneyism

2000-05-11 Thread Doug Henwood

Max B. Sawicky wrote:

You don't get down here much, do you?

We've got statues of Confederate war heroes (sic) honored
by placement in public squares, state governments fly the
stars and bars, so why not a Confederate History Month?
(don't ask me what 'confederate history' is supposed
to mean, as opposed to 'civil war history'.)

They would call it "War Between The States" history.

My Yankee mind was stunned by my first ride down Monument Ave in 
Richmond. The monuments are of Confederate generals, one after 
another, on horseback. They face one way if they died during the war, 
and the other if they didn't; can't remember which earned the 
northern exposure.

Doug




Re: Re: American looneyism

2000-05-11 Thread Rod Hay

O we have our loonies. And you have named just a few. But I was asking in
the Virginia case. Given the reaction to other actions of this sort. Why
were they willing to risks the boycotts and the eventually retraction. South
Carolina has backed down on the flag issue.

I have visited the US often enough to see the Jefferson Davis' highways and
the confederate statues, but the political climate has changed in the US
since they were constructed.  Already the governor of Virginia is
backtracking.

Rod Hay

Doug Henwood wrote:

 Rod Hay wrote:

 What is with the US. A confederate month in Virginia? How do they think
 that they can get away with it?

 Not to apologize too much for U.S. lunacy, it seems like you
 Canadians are experiencing the kind of hard-right lunacy we did
 10-15-20 years ago - Ralph Klein, Mike Harris, that Christian
 reactionary whose name I can't remember who's nudging aside that
 other nutcase Preston Manning, etc. etc.

 Doug

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Re: Re: crime stats.

2000-05-11 Thread Doug Henwood

Charles Brown wrote:

I have to agree with Jim D. that the drop in unemployment would be a 
traditional left mentioned factor.

Yes, but the trend predated the recent lows in unemployment, and 
there's been a sharp drop in crime in NYC, where unemployment is 
still quite high (and the employment-population ratio quite low, 
lower than a comparison with the national U rate might suggest).

Doug




Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown



 Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/00 05:29PM 
I wrote:
I don't think the issue of democracy should be separated from the class
nature of the state. At least as I understand Marx, he believed that the
proletariat would be a different kind of ruling class than previous ruling
classes, that its rule would have to be democratic.

Charles Brown replies:
CB: I agree that Marx considered the rule of the proletariat as 
democratic. For in _The Manifesto_ , Engels and Marx refer to the 
democracy as the working class as the ruling class. But let us look a 
little more closely at what democracy is in Marxism.. Lenin's _The State 
and Revolution_ is the best precis of these issues.

I think that Hal Draper's KARL MARX'S THEORY OF REVOLUTION is the best on 
this (along with his little book on the "dictatorship of the proletariat), 
but of course it's not a precis.

___

CB: Somehow I was thinking you might say that  :).





BTW, a friend (an expert on Soviet agriculture and politics) who spent a 
year in the USSR in 1977 or so reported that Soviet academics were expected 
to quote from Lenin in all articles (including articles on soil chemistry). 
But they weren't supposed to quote from THE STATE AND REVOLUTION, seemingly 
because it was seen as anarchistic.

__

CB: Do you think the "freedom" of U.S. academics from this disciplined Leninism 
results in better or worse intellectual products as compared with the SU ?  Is 
"freedom" from the principles that Lenin championed in the best interest of the 
proletariat, the overwhelming masses of the population ?




As Lenin points out, Marx proudly claimed that he had discovered the 
"dictatorship of the proletariat". He also assumed  that socialism would 
still have a state, and that a state is an apparatus for oppression of one 
class by another. So, "democracy" in socialism doesn't mean that the 
bourgeosie who remain have the right to contest for state power, whether 
through votes or any of the other mechanisms  set out in the American 
model. In other words , the democracy of socialism may encompass 
repression of some Bill of Rights type rights for some in order to retain 
a proletarian dictatorship.

Right, but the issue between Louis and myself was not about this issue. 
Rather, it was about who was running the state: was it the proletariat or 
some small minority of CP members? so was it a dictatorship _by_ the 
proletariat or a dictatorship _in the name of_ the proletariat? or a 
dictatorship _over_ the proletariat? or the Stalinist dictatorship 
_exploiting_ the proletariat?

_

CB: Yes, but deciding the issue between Louis and you is impacted by these more 
general aspects of the Marxist conception of democracy.  

More directly to your point, which has to do with the republican principle vs. direct 
democracy, Marx and Engels clearly advocated a republican form of government for 
socialism, not direct democracy ( New England town meeting)  of the tens of millions. 
So, the form of the dictatorship of the proletariat in the Marxist conception IS some 
minority ruling as the representatives of the overwhelming majority as in all 
republics. Engels and Marx also advocated a centralized instead of a federal ( as in 
the U.S.) form for the national government.

Then to be historically concrete and realistic, the imperialist imposition of a 
permanent state of war or threat of war against the SU necessitated a militarization 
of the form of rule. All democracies in real history have disgarded many democratic 
forms in conditions of war siege. For example, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during 
the U.S. Civil War.

As I said, you and Lou are correct in noting that the SU in the period of Stalin also 
violated Marxist principles of democracy. Khrushchev details these in the 20th 
Congress report. But the Soviet state in the period of Stalin also did many things 
that were not only in the name of the proletariat, but in the best interests of the 
proletariat. This fact is significantly absent from your measure of the success of 
proletarian democracy in the SU at that time. Stalinist illegal violence was more 
against  party members than the proletarian masses. 

So, the SU form was as close to the dictatorship in the interests of the proletariat 
as most actualizations of an idea for social forms have been in human history, with 
successes and failures in matching the idea.

__



Furthermore, Lenin points out that in the Marxist conception DEMOCRACY 
itself is always a form of state, i.e. has an repressive apparatus. So, in 
communism (after socialism) there is no democracy either. In other words, 
democracy is not the highest form of organization or self-governance in 
the Marxist conception.

In the highest form, the distinction between the state and society goes 
away (as the state "withers away"). I can't see how that can't involve 
democracy (unless we're talking about total and utter domination of society 

Re: American looneyism

2000-05-11 Thread Jim Devine

At 10:01 PM 5/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
What is with the US. A confederate month in Virginia? How do they think
that they can get away with it?

hey, we're uncivilized. Live with it. In fact, you _have_ to learn to live 
with it, since we're trying to impose the "American model" on the world.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: Forwarded from Anthony Boynton

2000-05-11 Thread Jim Devine

At 10:32 PM 5/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
Louis,

Not too long ago there was a discussion on your list (Marxism) about why
the Soviet Union fell apart.

I would like to suggest that the real reason was the Lada.

this is a very interesting note (though Mark Jones' criticisms largely seem 
to be on the mark). I understand the production problem with the USSR was 
not its technological backwardness. Rather, it was the failure to put the 
technology into practice, to produce high-quality products. Thus, the Lada. 
However, I understand that because the military sector was so important, 
the Soviet Union was able to get beyond these difficulties in many cases, 
especially when it came to high-tech weapons. An in-law of mine, who was 
actually born in Russia, claims that the Russians still have an advantage 
in some fields of weaponry. Mark, is this valid? (BTW, I think it's wrong 
to say that we're running out of oil. The current high prices are due to an 
artificial shortage, while the US and many rich capitalist countries are 
becoming more efficient at using oil, despite the utter wastefulness of 
SUVs and, for that matter, the car I drive. [Hey, I got it for free!])

I remember having a discussion with some Cubans in Havana in the late 1970s 
about the nuclear power plants that were to be built [I was on a trip there 
with the famous Michael Perelman]. I said: you know that the Soviets 
produce shoddy goods. Do you really want Soviet nuclear power plants. That 
stumped them for a minute. They replied: but the Soviets produce good 
military products, so their nukes should be fine. That stumped me ... but 
this was before Chernobyl (1986).

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~jdevine




US intervention

2000-05-11 Thread Seth Sandronsky

Chris,

Not to horse a dead beat, but Chomksy called for the US government to 
intervene on behalf of the Timorese people by halting the flow of US weapons 
to the Indonesian armed forces and paramilitary units.  Chomsky was not 
calling for US military intervention against the warriors of the client 
state of Indonesia.

Seth Sandronsky


One of the ways the world could make reparations to Africa is by giving
support to the democratic resolution of its conflicts.

This Time article characteristically pinpoints a dilemma for western
capitalist governments.

   May 9, 2000

   By Tony Karon

   In Kosovo, the West went to war to stop ethnic
cleansing; in Sierra Leone the
   international community appears unable to muster the
will and resources to stop
   a ragtag guerrilla band that has already killed and
mutilated tens of thousands
   more people than Slobodan Milosevic's forces ever did.

The British government has sent in 700 troops on the pretext of withdrawing
European nationals. They have got out 100 so far. This is a typical excuse
for imperialist intervention. Britain has also claimed it has secured Lungi
airport for the United Nations.

In Parliament the debate is between the Conservatives who demanded a strict
assurance that the British involvement was only for the purpose of getting
British and Euorpean nationals out, and the Labour government which kept
the door open for a wider involvement.

From the Guardian webpage today:

Mr Cook said that the operation is
proceeding "smoothly", but said that there
is no timetable for its completion.

In the case of East Timor, progressives in the west, such as Chomsky,
called for Western intervention.

IMO this particular British involvement is progressive and is part of the
developing process of world governance, so long as it assists the UN and
the West African peace keeping force to re-organise. I say that, conscious
at this moment, that the British government deserves strong criticism for
its interference in the developing land redistribution in Zimbabwe.

I suggest that only left wingers who are in fact anarchists or pacifists
would *in this particular context* denounce British intervention in Sierra
Leone as imperialist in nature.

Chris Burford

London


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Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Jim Devine

I wrote:
BTW, a friend (an expert on Soviet agriculture and politics) who spent a 
year in the USSR in 1977 or so reported that Soviet academics were 
expected to quote from Lenin in all articles (including articles on soil 
chemistry). But they weren't supposed to quote from THE STATE AND 
REVOLUTION, seemingly because it was seen as anarchistic.

quoth Charles Brown:
CB: Do you think the "freedom" of U.S. academics from this disciplined 
Leninism results in better or worse intellectual products as compared with 
the SU ?

I don't think this kind of comparison (the quality of intellectual 
products) can be made. Just as in the US, the quality of orthodox academics 
rose as the topic that they were dealing with became more distant from 
questioning the official ideology.

Is "freedom" from the principles that Lenin championed in the best 
interest of the proletariat, the overwhelming masses of the population ?

no. The point was that the quotations from Lenin were simply 
window-dressing. The academics would throw in a quote from Vlad, then 
ignore it and discuss whatever they were studying. The initial quote didn't 
hurt the quality of their work.

More directly to your point, which has to do with the republican principle 
vs. direct democracy, Marx and Engels clearly advocated a republican form 
of government for socialism, not direct democracy ( New England town 
meeting)  of the tens of millions. So, the form of the dictatorship of the 
proletariat in the Marxist conception IS some minority ruling as the 
representatives of the overwhelming majority as in all republics. Engels 
and Marx also advocated a centralized instead of a federal ( as in the 
U.S.) form for the national government.

I wasn't talking about direct democracy, which seems like nothing but a red 
herring.

Strictly speaking, the Commune model that Marx endorsed wasn't 
"representative democracy." Rather, it was delegatory democracy, since the 
delegates could easily be recalled. Representatives can't be recalled with 
ease (it's like impeaching the president in most cases). Also, the 
delegate's pay were restricted from rising much above that of the average 
worker. Because of recall and the pay restriction, it's not the same as 
rule by a minority. (Also, Marx endorsed the end of the separation between 
the executive and the legislative branches.)

Of course, recall and pay restrictions work differently (i.e., poorly) 
under capitalism. Here in California, recall is relatively easy, so that 
the organized right wing and the moneyed interests use it (just as they use 
the initiative system). If we had pay restrictions, that would mean that 
most of the time, only the independently wealthy could afford to stand for 
office. (Every once and awhile, some Republican advocates lowering 
representatives' pay, in order to produce this result.) Similarly, ending 
the separation between the executive and legislative branches is no big 
improvement under capitalism, as seen in the many cases of parliamentary 
democracy in Europe and elsewhere. Again, Commune-type democracy would work 
better with socialism in place.

Then to be historically concrete and realistic, the imperialist imposition 
of a permanent state of war or threat of war against the SU necessitated a 
militarization of the form of rule. All democracies in real history have 
disgarded many democratic forms in conditions of war siege. For example, 
Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the U.S. Civil War.

Right. The problem is that the longer the external attacks (and threats) 
persist, the more entrenched the bureaucratic rulers become. It starts out 
as necessity, but eventually the officials start arguing the virtue of that 
necessity. The means become ends in themselves. (I've read old Soviet 
propaganda about the benefits of a one-party system (and it wasn't simply a 
matter of defending the country) and the fun little fairy tale about how 
the other political parties voluntarily disbanded during the 1920s.)

If the US Civil War had lasted for a long time, the Lincoln-era 
restrictions on civil liberties would have become totally entrenched, just 
as the Cold War-era restrictions (HUAC, the FBI, COINTELPRO, etc.) became 
entrenched until people (including lawyers) fought hard and long against them.

As I said, you and Lou are correct in noting that the SU in the period of 
Stalin also violated Marxist principles of democracy. Khrushchev details 
these in the 20th Congress report. But the Soviet state in the period of 
Stalin also did many things that were not only in the name of the 
proletariat, but in the best interests of the proletariat. This fact is 
significantly absent from your measure of the success of proletarian 
democracy in the SU at that time. Stalinist illegal violence was more 
against  party members than the proletarian masses.

not against the kulaks?

So, the SU form was as close to the dictatorship in the interests of the 
proletariat as most 

Re: [weisbrot-columns] (fwd)

2000-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne

Simulating activism is not the only way to be positive...guess I blew 
it again. I'll be on my periodical unsub anytime soon, anyways.

I am not going to rise to your bait.  Your love of stirring up
controversy keeps you from being able to be a positive contributor to
the list.

Ricardo Duchesne wrote:

  This discussion is of no interest to the list.

 How do you know that?

--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Re: crime stats.

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown



 Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/00 11:04AM 
Charles Brown wrote:

I have to agree with Jim D. that the drop in unemployment would be a 
traditional left mentioned factor.

Yes, but the trend predated the recent lows in unemployment, and 
there's been a sharp drop in crime in NYC, where unemployment is 
still quite high (and the employment-population ratio quite low, 
lower than a comparison with the national U rate might suggest).



CB: Would there be comparable imperfections in the correlations  with the other 
factors mentioned as cause of crime drop ? 

CB




RE: Re: Re: crime stats.

2000-05-11 Thread Max Sawicky

EPI is preparing a report which shows a strong link
between crime rates and conditions in the low-wage
labor market (i.e., better conditions, less crime,
as one might expect).

mbs




 Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/00 11:04AM 
Charles Brown wrote:

I have to agree with Jim D. that the drop in unemployment would be a
traditional left mentioned factor.

Yes, but the trend predated the recent lows in unemployment, and
there's been a sharp drop in crime in NYC, where unemployment is
still quite high (and the employment-population ratio quite low,
lower than a comparison with the national U rate might suggest).



CB: Would there be comparable imperfections in the correlations  with the
other factors mentioned as cause of crime drop ?

CB




Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown



 Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/00 12:15PM 
I wrote:
BTW, a friend (an expert on Soviet agriculture and politics) who spent a 
year in the USSR in 1977 or so reported that Soviet academics were 
expected to quote from Lenin in all articles (including articles on soil 
chemistry). But they weren't supposed to quote from THE STATE AND 
REVOLUTION, seemingly because it was seen as anarchistic.

quoth Charles Brown:
CB: Do you think the "freedom" of U.S. academics from this disciplined 
Leninism results in better or worse intellectual products as compared with 
the SU ?

I don't think this kind of comparison (the quality of intellectual 
products) can be made. 

)))

CB: What type of issue were you getting at with your "BTW" ? Sounds like you are 
raising an issue of intellectual freedom in the SU.

)))



Just as in the US, the quality of orthodox academics 
rose as the topic that they were dealing with became more distant from 
questioning the official ideology.

___

CB: I don't know. The official ideology in the SU ( historical materialism) was of 
high intellectual quality , compared with that in the US.


___





Is "freedom" from the principles that Lenin championed in the best 
interest of the proletariat, the overwhelming masses of the population ?

no. The point was that the quotations from Lenin were simply 
window-dressing. The academics would throw in a quote from Vlad, then 
ignore it and discuss whatever they were studying. The initial quote didn't 
hurt the quality of their work.

__

CB: I have a lot of books from the Soviet Union for which this is not true. The quotes 
of Lenin are very relevant to what is being discussed. For example , I had one by 
Comrade Zivs , an attorney whom I met,  for which your generalization is inaccurate. 
Perhaps, not everybody was in the same situation as your aquaintence said.

__


More directly to your point, which has to do with the republican principle 
vs. direct democracy, Marx and Engels clearly advocated a republican form 
of government for socialism, not direct democracy ( New England town 
meeting)  of the tens of millions. So, the form of the dictatorship of the 
proletariat in the Marxist conception IS some minority ruling as the 
representatives of the overwhelming majority as in all republics. Engels 
and Marx also advocated a centralized instead of a federal ( as in the 
U.S.) form for the national government.

I wasn't talking about direct democracy, which seems like nothing but a red 
herring.



CB:  May seem like one , but is not. You didn't use the term "direct democracy", but 
the concept is important for analyzing the subject you and Lou were discussing.  All 
of the following questions you mention

"Rather, it was about who was running the state: was it the proletariat or 
some small minority of CP members? so was it a dictatorship _by_ the 
proletariat or a dictatorship _in the name of_ the proletariat? or a 
dictatorship _over_ the proletariat? or the Stalinist dictatorship 
_exploiting_ the proletariat?"

cannot be addressed without the concept of direct democracy. A "dictatorship by (of) 
the proletariat " has no sensible meaning without reference to "direct democracy."  To 
ask was it the proletariat "running" the state, must mean some reference to direct 
democracy, if just to clarify the meaning of republic or representative government. 
"The" proletariat is a mass. A mass "running" the state is some type of direct 
democracy.





Strictly speaking, the Commune model that Marx endorsed wasn't 
"representative democracy." Rather, it was delegatory democracy, since the 
delegates could easily be recalled. 

__

CB: All elected officials of the City of Detroit can be recalled too.  All republican 
forms are "delegatory" forms.  


I wouldn't quite say Marx endorsed the Commune in the sense of a comprehensive 
theoretical model for a socialist state. It was more a specific experiment , which was 
valuable because it was an "actually existing" effort, and a source of one or two 
specific modifications of Engels and Marx's outline in _The Manifesto of the Communist 
Party_. Specifically, they said the proletariat could not just pick up the bourgeois 
state apparatus whole, but that it would have to be broken up. Also, this was a 
negative lesson from the Commune, a lesson from an error of the Commune.

___

__
Representatives can't be recalled with 
ease (it's like impeaching the president in most cases). __

CB: "with ease" has to be spelled out. Legally, all you have to do is gather the 
signatures and win the vote in Detroit. Practically, you are fighting city hall. 

There was just a recall petition circulated against the Mayor last year. The City 
Clerk suspiciously invalidated a huge number of signatures.

__

Also, the 
delegate's pay were restricted from rising much above that of the average 
worker. Because of recall and 

BLS Daily Report

2000-05-11 Thread Richardson_D

  BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, MAY 11, 2000:
 
 RELEASED TODAY:  U.S. Import and Export Price Indexes -- April 2000,
 indicates that the U.S. Import Price Index decreased 1.6 percent in April.
 The decrease, the first since June 1999, was attributable to a large
 downturn in petroleum prices.  Export prices also fell in April, down 0.1
 percent, after increasing 0.5 percent in each of the previous 2 months.
 
 U.S. employers laid off 106,748 workers in 986 mass layoff actions in
 March, BLS reports. "Although the number of layoff events and initial
 claimants for unemployment insurance were the highest for March since
 March 1996, this was due in part to a calendar effect," BLS said. "This
 year, 5 weeks were reported in March versus 4 weeks in 1996-99." The total
 number of laid off workers during January through March of this year, at
 433,968, was the highest since BLS began collecting this data in 1995
 (Daily Labor Report, page D-1).
 
 Top executives of many of the largest U.S. companies said they expect
 inflation to accelerate this year as labor markets remain tight across the
 country. Gathering in White Sulphur Springs, W. Va. for their spring
 meeting, members of the Business Council released their latest economic
 forecast, which included projections of only a modest slowdown in overall
 economic growth from its current vigorous rate, by the end of this year
 (Daily Labor Report, page A-17).
 __A majority of chief executives from giant companies like General
 Electric Co. and Microsoft Corp. expect economic growth to slow and
 inflation to worsen this year, as businesses struggle with the impact of
 rising interest rates and one of the tightest job markets in American
 history. Most of the business leaders believe long term inflation will
 hover between 2 and 3.9 percent, although more than a third said they were
 leaning toward the high end of that spectrum.  The tight labor market has
 prompted many of the companies to raise wages to retain employees, and few
 of the executives expect conditions to ease this year (The Wall Street
 Journal, page A2).. 
 
 Understanding and measuring electronic commerce for U.S. statistics is a
 new challenge for federal statistical agencies, BLS Associate Commissioner
 Deborah Klein told the agency's Business Research Advisory Council May 10.
 Klein, who heads BLS's office of publications and special studies, said
 like other dynamic areas of the economy, e-commerce is difficult to
 capture and quantify.  However, its impact on the economy is currently
 quite small.  An example, Klein said, is a Commerce Department estimate
 that e-commerce made up only 0.64 percent of retail sales in 1999.
 "People are surprised how small," Klein said.  But Klein added that retail
 sales are only part of the scope of e-commerce.  The data series doesn't
 capture, for example, online travel or brokerage services.  In a BLS
 research paper, "E-Commerce and Government Statistics," Marilyn E. Manser,
 of the agency's office of productivity and technology, says the small size
 of e-commerce means "our current understanding of the economy is not
 likely to be significantly affected by any problems that may exist " in
 measuring these transactions. The Census Bureau has proposed a definition
 of e-commerce:  "Electronic commerce (e-commerce) is any transaction
 completed over a computer-mediated network that involves the transfer of
 ownership or rights to use goods and services."  BLS Commissioner
 Katharine Abraham told the advisory council about the agency's fiscal 2001
 budget request for funding for a new time-use survey.  The survey, Abraham
 said, would be similar to data series common in Europe but never attempted
 by the U.S.  Abraham said this series would include time spent raising
 children and taking care of sick or elderly family members. Women's groups
 have pushed for the proposed survey, but the potential audience is much
 broader, Abraham said. Abraham said the first meeting of the Federal
 Economic Statistics Advisory Committee will likely take place June 15.
 The newly created panel will bring together the three main federal
 agencies, BLS, Bureau of Economic Analysis, and the Census Bureau -- to
 work on measurement and conceptual issues that cut across agency
 boundaries (Daily Labor Report, page A-13).
 
 As recently as 1989, the federal government employed more than 316,000
 workers whose jobs were predominantly clerical.  They accounted for almost
 1 in 7 federal workers, says Michael A. Fletcher in The Washington Post
 "Federal Page" (page A33).  But sweeping changes in information technology
 -- the ubiquity of voice mail, e-mail, the personal computer and more --
 have not only reduced the government's need for secretaries and clerks,
 but also changed the nature of their work.  The number of federal workers
 doing mostly clerical tasks has been reduced by more than half.  They now
 account for 139,000, or about 1 in 13, of the federal government's 1.8
 

Power to the People

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown

The power of the people 

By Sam Webb 

The hope of the ruling elite that the "Battle in Seattle" was a blip on the screen was 
unceremoniously crushed during the week of April 9-16 when tens of thousands of 
activists descended on our nation's capital to protest capitalist globalization. 

In the wake of these protest actions, the corporate ruling class is now forced to face 
what is its worst nightmare - the anti-World Trade Organization "Battle in Seattle" 
spawned a social movement ready to battle the transnational corporations at every 
turn. 

While gathered in Washington, this loosely constructed coalition demonstrated against 
everything from the suffocating debt on Third World countries to permanent trade 
status for China, to Star Wars and solidarity concerns to environmental degradation to 
AIDS to animal rights to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank. 

While no immediate concessions were won, policy-makers in the capital and elsewhere 
were clearly alarmed by the militancy and mass character of the demonstrations. 

The venues in the course of the week were many, but the two outstanding events were 
the mass rallies - one at the beginning of the week and the other at the end. 

The Jubilee 2000 rally, inaugurating a week of people's activities, was notable in two 
important respects. For one thing, its main demand was the cancellation of the 
crushing debt developing countries owe to private and public institutions in the 
advanced capitalist countries. And rightfully so. 

Perhaps no other demand would bring such immediate relief to developing countries that 
are languishing in utter poverty due to the many-sided effects of globalization. 
Moreover, it enjoys extensive support in the developed and developing world alike. 

For another thing, faith-based organizations were heavily represented at Jubilee 2000. 
Their presence opens up new avenues to reach millions of faith-based people who 
normally might shy away from social struggle, but given the right circumstances could 
be activists for global economic justice. 

If the Jubilee 2000 rally got the week off to a good start then the rally a week later 
against the IMF and the World Bank was the people's equivalent to the Super Bowl. 

Seldom have I participated in a mass action so militant, so politically advanced, so 
able to creatively combine tactics and fun. 

According to the AFL-CIO, there were 30,000 participants, mainly young people. 
Thousands engaged in civil disobedience and more than 1,000 were arrested. 

The police had to allow a noisy and raucous march through capital streets. Even before 
the dust had settled on the streets of Washington. prominent policy makers in higher 
circles were re-examining the architecture, rules and policies governing the global 
economy. 

This reappraisal, to be sure, was prompted by earlier events, especially the economic 
crisis in Southeast Asia and the ensuing financial contagion that nearly engulfed the 
world. But it is also unmistakably a response to the pressure coming now from this 
growing mass movement against capitalist globalization. This is remarkable. 

Consider for a moment: in a short space of time this movement has not only challenged 
the very legitimacy of the global economic order, but has introduced the concerns and 
language of globalization into millions of American households. 

Among a growingsection of the American people, there is something rotten with the 
transnational corporations TNCs and the global institutions that do their bidding. 

The only sour note struck during the entire week was labor's rally. Held on the 
Capitol steps, its theme was "No Blank Check, No Permanent Trade Status for China." 

In other words, labor, contrary to its own best interests, is opposing normalizing 
relations with the most populous country in the world. That rally included speeches 
that were throwbacks to the Cold War period. 

To make matters worse, Reform Party presidential candidate Pat Buchanan spoke at the 
Teamsters rally earlier in the day. It would be premature, however, to say that the 
labor movement has crashed on the shoals of the Cold War, to say that the anti-China 
campaign is the death knell of labor's forward march. 

Why do I say this? First, the Cold War is over and, therefore, cold-war rhetoric and 
policies don't resonate among the American people like they once did. Is there any 
more compelling example than the refusal of the millions of people to be swallowed up 
in anti-communist hysteria in the Elian Gonzalez case? 

Secondly, the pressure coming from the ultraright and TNCs - not to mention the 
growing anti-corporate consciousness - make it difficult to turn China's labor record 
into the foremost concern of our nation's working people. 

Thirdly, the anti-China campaign is neither universally nor enthusiastically embraced 
by labor's leadership. 

The more clear-headed of labor's leaders realize that a cold-war campaign against 
China 

RE: American looneyism EVERYWHERE

2000-05-11 Thread Chris Kromm

Anyone interested in being disabused of the notion that only the Southern
U.S. is filled with racist and misleading historical sites should read James
Loewen's excellent new book: "Lies Across America: What Our Historical Sites
Get Wrong" (New Press, 1999).  The book takes the reader on a tour of the
entire country, and shows how ruling class history (and simply bad history)
is often "literally etched in stone" on the U.S. landscape. It's amusing 
illuminating.

Chris

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From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 10:51 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:18788] Re: RE: American looneyism


 Max B. Sawicky wrote:

 You don't get down here much, do you?
 
 We've got statues of Confederate war heroes (sic) honored
 by placement in public squares, state governments fly the
 stars and bars, so why not a Confederate History Month?
 (don't ask me what 'confederate history' is supposed
 to mean, as opposed to 'civil war history'.)

 They would call it "War Between The States" history.

 My Yankee mind was stunned by my first ride down Monument Ave in
 Richmond. The monuments are of Confederate generals, one after
 another, on horseback. They face one way if they died during the war,
 and the other if they didn't; can't remember which earned the
 northern exposure.

 Doug





Re: US intervention

2000-05-11 Thread Chris Burford

At 09:12 11/05/00 -0700, you wrote:
Chris,

Not to horse a dead beat, but Chomksy called for the US government to 
intervene on behalf of the Timorese people by halting the flow of US 
weapons to the Indonesian armed forces and paramilitary units.  Chomsky 
was not calling for US military intervention against the warriors of the 
client state of Indonesia.

Seth Sandronsky

What Chomsky called for is clear in the archives of PEN-L. Yes he did not 
call for military intervention by the US. He called for massive pressure by 
the US to force the IMF to bring Wiranto to heel. And Wiranto was indeed 
brought to heel.

Yes it was for the Timorese people, but it was absolutely and explicitly by 
using the IMF as an global organ of political control.

The British intervention is different. It has just been given looser 
boundaries. Britain is probably playing for Nigeria to intervene again and 
for Britain to get more contracts to train the Nigerian army, while other 
countries of the west pay for it all. This is one of the ways Britain tries 
to box above its weight in international affairs. Nevertheless if it helps 
the Africans to police their own continent it could be progressive.

Chris Burford

London





The real price of gas: $15 a gallon?

2000-05-11 Thread M A Jones

[of course, if you paid the proper price for the stuff you'd be lucky to be
even driving a Lada... Mark]

The Real Price Of Gas

Executive Summary

This report by the International Center for Technology Assessment (CTA)
identifies and quantifies the many external costs of using motor vehicles
and the internal combustion engine that are not reflected in the retail
price Americans pay for gasoline. These are costs that consumers pay
indirectly by way of increased taxes, insurance costs, and retail prices in
other sectors.

The report divides the external costs of gasoline usage into five primary
areas: (1) Tax Subsidization of the Oil Industry; (2) Government Program
Subsidies; (3) Protection Costs Involved in Oil Shipment and Motor Vehicle
Services; (4) Environmental, Health, and Social Costs of Gasoline Usage; and
(5) Other Important Externalities of Motor Vehicle Use. Together, these
external costs total $558.7 billion to $1.69 trillion per year, which, when
added to the retail price of gasoline, result in a per gallon price of $5.60
to $15.14.

TAX SUBSIDIES

The federal government provides the oil industry with numerous tax breaks
designed to ensure that domestic companies can compete with international
producers and that gasoline remains cheap for American consumers. Federal
tax breaks that directly benefit oil companies include: the Percentage
Depletion Allowance (a subsidy of $784 million to $1 billion per year), the
Nonconventional Fuel Production Credit ($769 to $900 million), immediate
expensing of exploration and development costs ($200 to $255 million), the
Enhanced Oil Recovery Credit ($26.3 to $100 million), foreign tax credits
($1.11 to $3.4 billion), foreign income deferrals ($183 to $318 million),
and accelerated depreciation allowances ($1.0 to $4.5 billion).

Tax subsidies do not end at the federal level. The fact that most state
income taxes are based on oil firms' deflated federal tax bill results in
undertaxation of $125 to $323 million per year. Many states also impose fuel
taxes that are lower than regular sales taxes, amounting to a subsidy of
$4.8 billion per year to gasoline retailers and users. New rules under the
Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 are likely to provide the petroleum industry
with additional tax subsidies of $2.07 billion per year. In total, annual
tax breaks that support gasoline production and use amount to $9.1 to $17.8
billion.

PROGRAM SUBSIDIES

Government support of US petroleum producers does not end with tax breaks.
Program subsidies that support the extraction, production, and use of
petroleum and petroleum fuel products total $38 to $114.6 billion each year.
The largest portion of this total is federal, state, and local governments'
$36 to $112 billion worth of spending on the transportation infrastructure,
such as the construction, maintenance, and repair of roads and bridges.
Other program subsidies include funding of research and development ($200 to
$220 million), export financing subsidies ($308.5 to $311.9 million),
support from the Army Corps of Engineers ($253.2 to $270 million), the
Department of Interior's Oil Resources Management Programs ($97 to $227
million), and government expenditures on regulatory oversight, pollution
cleanup, and liability costs ($1.1 to $1.6 billion).

PROTECTION SUBSIDIES

Beyond program subsidies, governments, and thus taxpayers, subsidize a large
portion of the protection services required by petroleum producers and
users. Foremost among these is the cost of military protection for oil-rich
regions of the world. US Defense Department spending allocated to safeguard
the world's petroleum resources total some $55 to $96.3 billion per year.
The Strategic Petroleum Reserve, a federal government entity designed to
supplement regular oil supplies in the event of disruptions due to military
conflict or natural disaster, costs taxpayers an additional $5.7 billion per
year. The Coast Guard and the Department of Transportation's Maritime
Administration provide other protection services totaling $566.3 million per
year. Of course, local and state governments also provide protection
services for oil industry companies and gasoline users. These externalized
police, fire, and emergency response expenditures add up to $27.2 to $38.2
billion annually.

ENVIRONMENTAL, HEALTH AND SOCIAL COSTS

Environmental, health, and social costs represent the largest portion of the
externalized price Americans pay for their gasoline reliance. These expenses
total some $231.7 to $942.9 billion every year. The internal combustion
engine contributes heavily to localized air pollution. While the amount of
damage that automobile fumes cause is certainly very high, the total dollar
value is rather difficult to quantify. Approximately $39 billion per year is
the lowest minimum estimate made by researchers in the field of
transportation cost analysis, although the actual total is surely much
higher and may exceed $600 billion.

Considering that researchers 

Theodor Bergmann

2000-05-11 Thread Louis Proyect

I have the highest regard for Theodor Bergmann, the 84 year old editor of
the Hamburg-based magazine "Sozialismus," who spoke last night at the
Brecht Forum on "The German Anti-Nazi Left". Three years ago the magazine
entered into a fraternal relationship with Monthly Review, which is edited
by Paul Sweezy and Harry Magdoff, themselves well-known and respected
old-timers. Not that I have anything against young radicals, but men and
women in their 80s who are still going strong deserve our special respect. 

"Sozialismus" was also the first serious journal to print something I
wrote, namely my puckish report on the last Rethinking Marxism conference,
titled "Wissen-shaftskriege" (Science Wars). It told the story of how
female Marxist graduate students from India nearly drove a terminally
long-winded Etienne Balibar from the stage and how during the aftermath of
the protest conference organizers tried to root out a Sokalite conspiracy
that presumably was responsible. (There was no such conspiracy.)

Bergmann was a member of the youth group of the Left Communists in the
1920s, a party that Cochranite Erwin Baur's mother belonged to as well. In
an interview I conducted with him recently, Erwin explained that it was
natural for him to end up in the American Trotskyist movement in the 1930s
because as he was growing up talk around the dinner table focused on the
evils of the capitalist system and the inadequacy of the mass Communist
Parties. Erwin, a life-long UAW militant and currently a member of
Solidarity, is the same age as Theodor and another example of how to stand
up to the system over the long haul.

The German Left Communists were a split from the party led by August
Thalheimer and Heinrich Brandler. They, along with Paul Levi, were the
ideological heirs of Rosa Luxemburg and usually showed better judgement
than the Comintern during the 1920s. For example, Paul Levi proposed a
united front between Communists and Socialists long before Hitler was a
major factor in German politics. When the Comintern instructed the German
Communists to instead follow a sectarian line, Levi took his opposition
public. For this he was expelled, the first in a series of talented
revolutionaries driven from the party. Their sin was in believing that
German Marxism alone was responsible for the fate of the German working
class in the final analysis.

In the article "Rosa Luxemburg's Political Heir: An Appreciation of Paul
Levi" that appeared in the Nov.-Dec. 1999 New Left Review, author David
Fernbach cites a January 1921 letter from Levi to the German party on the
seriousness of the problems in dealing with the Comintern:

"[I]f the Communist International functions in Western Europe in terms of
admission and expulsion like a recoiling cannon.., then we will experience
the heaviest setback.. . [Our Russian] comrades did not clearly realize
that splits in a mass party with a different intellectual structure than,
for example, that of the illegal party.. cannot be carried out on the basis
of resolutions, but only on the basis of political experience."

January 1921? This was before the Comintern supposedly went downhill?
Clearly the best thing for the German working class would have been if the
Comintern had left it alone or at least treated it in the respectful manner
that Fidel Castro treats other socialists today rather than trying to
browbeat them into blind loyalty.

The other major ideological influence on the Left Communists was Bukharin,
who is the subject of one of Theodor Bergmann's many books. 

There are two dominant interpretations of Bukharin today, one--based on
Stephen Cohen's biography--is that of a liberalizing bureaucrat who
anticipated Gorbachev. The other, part of Trotskyist orthodoxy, is that of
Bukharin as friend of rich peasants. To reduce Bukharin to this formula
would be the same as characterizing Trotsky only as the Russian
revolutionary who "underestimated the peasantry."

John Bellamy Foster's brilliant new "Marx's Ecology" reveals another side
of Bukharin: an ecosocialist who continued in the vein established by Marx
in his examination of the problem of soil fertility. He singles out this
paragraph from Bukharin's "Historical Materialism," which describes the
'metabolic' process that unites nature and society, a theme that is present
in Volume Three of Capital. This metabolic force, according to Bukharin:

"is the fundamental relation between environment and system, between
'external conditions' and human society... The metabolism between man and
nature consists, as we have seen, in the transfer of material energy from
external nature to society Thus, the interrelation between society and
nature is a process of social reproduction. In this process, society
applies its human labor energy and obtains a certain quantity of energy
from nature ('nature’s material,' in the words of Marx). The balance
between expenditures and receipts is here obviously the decisive element
for the growth of 

Sowing Dragons

2000-05-11 Thread Dennis R Redmond

On Tue, 9 May 2000, Louis Proyect crossposted from the Baltimore Sun:

 MALNUTRITION IS EPIDEMIC: ROUGHLY HALF OF ALL CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 5
 ARE STUNTED FOR LACK OF FOOD. HUNGER AND A GROSSLY INEFFICIENT AID SYSTEM
 HAVE KEPT VIETNAM'S POVERTY RATE THE HIGHEST IN THE REGION: THE WORLD BANK
 ESTIMATING THAT 51 PERCENT OF PEOPLE IN VIETNAM ARE IMPOVERISHED, COMPARED
 WITH 16 PERCENT IN THAILAND. 

Yes, but things were much worse in the pre Doi Moi period, when the
Government simply lied about malnutrition and poverty and pretended
economic problems didn't exist. The economic growth since 1985 is real
enough. 

 In Hanoi, the prostitutes work under cover of the city's many parks; in Ho
 Chi Minh City, it's a different story: The prostitutes, driving up and down
 the main drag between the Saigon River and the old cathedral, call out to
 customers from their mopeds. 

So you have working women, earning money for themselves, on mopeds -- a
mobile proletariat, as it were. Horrors! As opposed to us brain-workers
on the Net, who are lucky enough to be able to retail our neurons instead
of our reproductive systems. Vietnam remains an intensely patriarchal
society, where violence against women is normal and accepted; many of
those prostitutes were horrifically abused by family members, and going
back to the village, where brutally authoritarian family traditions are
still the norm, is not an option. 

The more serious question is this: what *can* the Left offer as a
developmental model to Vietnam? And no, telling them to dye their hair
blond and learn Swedish won't cut it, Sweden had 150 years to assimilate
primitive accumulation and another 100 years to export its way to
metropole status. Vietnam is up against the heavy artillery of Athlons and
Pentiums, Toyotas and Mercedes right here and now: how do they fight
the neocolonial beast? 

-- Dennis




Re: Re: Re: Re: Clarification about African trade(fwd)

2000-05-11 Thread Brad De Long

I agree with Micheal. Workers earning their livings in sweatshops do not
even get a living wage. Let's not make the situation look better.
Particulary, women workers are more vulnerable to exploitation in this
process.It is true that most of the women in this part of the world come
to cities to find jobs in order to escape themselves from old fashioned
rural patriarchy. Yes, they prefer to work in Nike rather than in rice
fields. What happens is that they are now exploited by capitalist bosses
who use them as slave labor.

But they're better off than they would be if they weren't exploited 
by capitalist bosses, right? Didn't Joan Robinson understand this?


Brad DeLong
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