Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi

Mat wrote:

By the way, I just read a novel that includes an interesting exploration of
consumer debt and personal bankruptcy in Japan:

Miyuki Miyabe, _All She Was Worth_

A lawyer in the book argues that there is a tendency for society to blame the
individual who goes into debt, but that the fault really lies in the system.

I haven't read the book by Miyabe, but I'll look it up.  Consumer 
credit does not seem very well developed in Japan, with the exception 
of so-called sarakin, which charges usurious interest rates.  In 
fact, before I came to the USA, I never had any credit card -- now I 
have ten!!!  My parents  brother -- who have never travelled outside 
Japan -- still have none.  Japanese workers do not use checking 
accounts either (again, my family in Japan do not have one; nor did I 
have one before coming to the States), and the absence of checking 
accounts, I believe, tends to encourage saving rather than spending. 
It feels different spending cash, instead of writing a check (even 
aside from the fact that many checking accounts in the USA have 
overdraft protection which blurs the boundary between deposit  
credit).

I heard it somewhere that consumer credit (excluding mortgages) makes 
up only 3 percent of bank lending in Japan.  Is that right?

Were I a "nationalist" member of the ruling class  concerned with 
deflation  the "liquidity trap," I'd probably advocate an 
accelerated development of consumer credit, as well as developing a 
better "social safety net" like unemployment insurance, old age 
pension, etc.

However, the fundamental problem that Japan faces is not likely the 
"liquidity trap."  I believe it is due to (a) the dead end of 
export-led industrialization; (b) over-competition  over-capacity in 
the existing markets (recall Robert Brenner here); and (c) political 
stalemates (the divided ruling class  the weak working class, 
neither of which has a coherent program and the strength to create 
"consent" to a new settlement in a Gramscian sense  impose its will 
on the rest of society).  Some parts of the ruling class do not see 
the current situation as "their problem" -- instead, they'd rather 
make use of this occasion to restructure labor regulations, social 
programs, etc. more in line with strict neoliberalism, while other 
parts of the ruling class do not have the guts to do so.

Yoshie




The Jim Crow Five and the Coming Political War

2000-12-13 Thread Nathan Newman


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   Nathan Newman  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Last night, five Justices of the Supreme Court declared that the 14th
Amendment was created to suppress the black vote and protect the white
corporate elite's hold on power.  In the name of "equal protection", these
five Jim Crow Justices sanctified the results of an election where black
voting districts often saw as many as 25% of their votes thrown into the
trashcan of inaccurate machine counts.

As dissenting Justice Stevens noted, for all the majority worried about
possible inconsistencies in hand counts from different counties, they seemed
blithely unconcerned about the fact that there was no consistency in the
very voting systems used in different counties.  Largely poor and black
districts were systematically more likely to use the inaccurate punch card
voting systems, while richer whiter districts saw their votes protected by
more accurate optical scanning systems. Yet the Jim Crow Court majority
upheld such county-based inequalities in the name of - get this - "local
expertise."

That the Rehnquist majority has thrown away all credibility for their
supposed "states rights" federalism jurisprudence is a given.  But that
basic hypocrisy pales before the obscenity of Chief Justice William
Rehnquist's concurring opinion, a decision evoking equal protection by a man
who as a law clerk at the time of Brown v. Board of Education argued "I
think Plessy v. Ferguson, the legal foundation for mandatory racial
segregation,
was right and should be re-affirmed."  This is a man who would later in
the 1950s and 1960s lead GOP efforts at polls in
Arizona to harass and disenfranchise black voters using the literacy tests
and other tools of Jim Crow voter intimidation.  Yet this man had the
audacity last night to cite civil rights precedents in overruling the
Florida Supreme Court.

Dripping with contempt, Justice Ginsberg decried Rehnquist's "casual
citation" of cases overturning state Supreme Court decisions made "in the
face of Southern resistance to the civil rights movement" when the situation
in Florida was "hardly comparable."   Left unsaid was the fact that
Rehnquist was aligned with that Southern resistance to civil rights; his
citation of those cases was an Orwellian twisting of history to protect the
racist disenfranchisement of voters in Florida that those cases were
originally meant to stop.

Evidence from the Florida election has continued to show that the old Jim
Crow techniques have given way to new, only slightly more sophisticated
forms of voter intimidation and disenfranchisement.  The NAACP and other
groups have documented systematic efforts to block black and latino voting,
from police roadblocks to illegal demands for multiple IDs.  But the most
truly odious addition to the Jim Crow arsenal this election was what some
have dubbed "disenfranchisement by database."  In Florida, Secretary of
State Katherine Harris hired a company called Choicepoint, run by a bevy of
GOP corporate funders, to produce a blacklist of voters to purge from the
voting rolls. These names were supposedly purged because they were felons,
but the list was so inaccurate that well over 7000 innocent people - 54% of
them black - were illegally stripped of their right to vote by Harris and
Choicepoint.

It is this partisan theft of the election through disenfranchisement that
Rehnquist and the rest of the Jim Crow Five upheld last night.

One might think that this racist disenfranchisement was an isolated act of
opportunism to gain Presidential power.  But the disenfranchisement of
blacks, latinos and others who are rapidly becoming the new majority in
America, is actually the very threat that has driven the GOP to this
partisan election theft, from preelection purges of the rolls to the thugs
at the Miami-Dade canvassing board to last night's Court decision. The GOP
corporate elite sees the coming demographic shift and knows it may very well
spell the end of their easy dominance through racial scapegoating.

In their screwed up and conflicted way, the Democrats have been and continue
to be the vehicle for the self-empowerment and enfranchisement of a whole
range of excluded groups in our society, from the Civil Rights Acts to Motor
Voter to the expansion of citizenship for new immigrant groups, and the
corporate Right decided that this process needed to be turned back in this
election. The corporate Right has only had to look at what's going on in
California, as latinos and other non-whites have become the majority and the
GOP has been nearly obliterated as a political force, to fear for the
future. New pro-union, pro-education and pro-health care policies have been
passed by the state legislature and even more radical change in the state is
mobilizing in the streets.. The Right tried and failed to stem that
political tide in California through anti-immigrant 

Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi

Jim D. wrote:

BTW, I think one way that Japan could recover is to imitate an old 
US practice. Give aid to a poor area (such as East St. Louis, 
Illinois) but "tie" it so that it can only be spent in Japan.

It takes a real burning ambition to become _the_ global hegemon -- as 
opposed to a junior partner in U.S.-led imperialism -- to come up 
with a Marshall plan.  More crucially, recall that the actual 
Marshall plan was implemented with a view toward making Communism 
unpopular in Europe.  In the absence of Communism, what would be the 
point of a Marshall plan for the ruling class?

Some segments of the Japanese governing elite may have had a little 
ambition to use the Asian crisis in order to re-make the area more in 
line with their imperial vision, as opposed to Americans', but after 
their proposal to create the Asian Monetary Fund met U.S. 
disapproval, they beat a hasty retreat, I remember.

This encourages Japanese businesses to expand without relying on 
Japanese people to spend (something they've been reluctant to do).

They don't spend because they, on the average, live _very long_ but 
old age pensions are dreadfully inadequate.  Consumer credit is 
underdeveloped also.

Instead of spending money on public works, much of which nowadays 
seems to neither strengthen economic infrastructure nor create many 
jobs, merely supporting bad old ties of patronage linking politicians 
 construction companies, the Japanese governing elite should go 
social democratic  build up the social safety net (esp. unemployment 
insurance  old age pensions), _but they won't do so, since it's not 
in their interest_.  At the same time as waves of deflation, the 
political elite were  still are making a move to cut back "wastes"  
"frauds" from national health care (which wasn't even truly universal 
to begin with, divided into three different parts: Shakai Hoken [for 
employees], Kokumin Kenko Hoken [for the self-employed  others who 
do not qualify for Shakai Hoken],  Rojin Hoken [for the elderly]). 
Take a look at this:

*   Health insurance crisis

_Mainichi Shimbun_ 6 February 2000

The national health insurance system is on the brink of a major 
crisis and is unlikely to remain solvent over the next two or three 
years if the status quo is maintained.  Since the wages of workers 
who pay health insurance premiums have fallen for three consecutive 
years, imposing a premium hike at this time is not an option. 
Therefore, the only alternative is to implement fundamental reform as 
soon as possible to increase the efficiency of the health insurance 
system.

But the recommendations in the report submitted by the Council on 
Health Insurance and Welfare on Feb. 3 to Health and Welfare Minister 
Yuya Niwa are a far cry from fundamental reform.  The report 
recommends that patients shoulder a greater burden of medical 
expenses, hospital meal fees be increased and urges the Health and 
Welfare Ministry to undertake reforms promptly

http://www.mainichi.co.jp/english/news/archive/22/08/opinion.html   *

With this sort of ruling-class attack on social spending (esp. on 
health care), and in the absence of consumer credit, how are Japanese 
workers to feel like spending in a mad-cap American fashion, instead 
of _saving all they can to survive old age, diseases, accidents, 
etc._?

Yoshie




Re: The Jim Crow Five and the Coming Political War

2000-12-13 Thread Justin Schwartz

Excellent, Nathan. I'm sending this around. --jks



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Re: Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Jim Devine

Yoshie quotes Jan Kregel sayingClearly, in present conditions it is not 
the lack of a credible inflation policy [as he dubs Krugman's cure], but a 
credible interest rate policy that is creating difficulty. As Keynes notes 
in relation to Fisher's recommendations of inflating out of the Great 
Depression: "The stimulating effect of the expectation of higher prices is 
due, not to its raising the rate of interest (that would be a paradoxical 
way of stimulating output --in so far as the rate of interest rises, the 
stimulating effect is to that extent offset), [*1] but to its raising the 
marginal efficiency of a given stock of capital" (JMK:VII, p. 143) that is, 
raising the expectation of returns on new investment relative to the rate 
of interest, and this requires a credible policy that interest rates will 
not rise along with the rate of inflation, which is to say that the Fisher 
relation and the quantity theory should not hold. [*2]

[*1] I think Keynes is off-base here. As I see it, Fisher was recommending 
a cut in nominal interest rates in the short run, which encourages 
inflationary expectations, which lowers the much-more-important expected 
real rate. In a situation of unused capacity and extreme unemployment, 
there is little reason to expect the nominal rate to rise in step with 
inflationary expectations (as Keynesian economics points out), so there is 
no reason why we shouldn't see real rates falling.

[*2] here's where PK, not Keynes, is wrong, because he doesn't pay 
attention to the marginal efficiency of capital (roughly, the expected rate 
of profit). It's possible that real private investment won't respond, even 
to negative real interest rates. (The IS curve may be vertical or close to 
it.) Here pen-l faces a disagreement: Peter says that Japanese private 
corporations and banks face stuff like low profitability, excessive debts, 
pessimistic expectations, and unused capacity, while Dennis (always an 
optimist concerning Japan) sees profitability recovering. It would great to 
see some evidence.

 But the failure of a higher rate of increase in the quantity of money to 
increase prices and the rate of interest is what Krugman calls the 
liquidity trap and he identifies as the cause of Japan's recession.

I interpret PK more prosaically: he's saying that monetary policy can't 
lower nominal interest rates and thus, given expectations of inflation, 
real expected real rates. This is because nominal interest rates can't fall 
below zero (while some would add a little liquidity premium on top of that 
zero). PK's main story about what's happening isn't about inflation. 
Rather, inflation is what he recommends.

  In Japan even if the Bank of Japan could mount a credible inflation 
policy, there would be no guarantee of the stability of the yield curve. 

this is right on target. Low short rates may coincide with higher long rates.

 What is required is a credible policy to ensure increased higher rates of 
return on investment, which may or may not be accompanied by rising 
prices.  In general in Japan it has not.  This requires credible increases 
in aggregate demand.

PK might respond that expansionary (inflationary) monetary policy might 
raise aggregate demand in this way, so that this is a distinction without a 
difference.

 Traditionally in Japan this has come from exports.  Given recent Yen 
strength and other structural changes in global markets this is now 
unlikely.  What Japan needs is a credible policy of increasing the return 
on producing for domestic demand.  From a Keynesian point of view it might 
be more appropriate to say that Japan is in an underemployment equilibrium 
with deficient aggregate demand than in a liquidity trap.

I'd agree that the "vertical IS curve" situation referred to above is quite 
an apt description of what's going on (perhaps with a horizontal LM curve 
thrown in).

If so (i.e., if Dennis' optimism is off-base) then Japan faces a 
contradiction. On the one hand, they need to build the welfare state, 
including old-age pensions, as Yoshie points out, in order to shore up 
aggregate demand (since infrastructural investment has hit the wall). Also 
as she says, the ruling elites won't do that, since it's against their own 
self-interest (both as a group and as individuals). But if the Japanese 
workers kicked up a fuss, they'd be pushed to do so. But the other horn of 
the contradiction is that intensified working-class struggle would hurt 
investors' expectations, making private investment even more depressed.

Is this analysis totally wrong? enquiring minds want to know

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine




RE: Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Forstater, Mathew

Actually I disagree with Jim's assessment, and think Yoshie is right. I don't
think Jan is just concerned with what Keynes "really" meant or said, but with
whether Krugman's analysis is useful for effective policy. 

By the way, there are some other useful papers on the subject at Levy. Marc
Andre Pigeon's Minskian interpretation, e.g.

By the way, is it cool that Yoshie is evaluating Levy working papers and I am
discussing Japanese novels, or is this scary?!


-Original Message-
From: Yoshie Furuhashi
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12/13/00 3:24 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:6097] Re: Japan's Debt

 From Jim D. to Mat:

At 11:20 AM 12/12/00 -0600, you wrote:
"Krugman on the Liquidity Trap: Why Inflation Won't Bring Recovery In
Japan,"
Jerome Levy Economics Institute, Working Paper No. 298, March 2000
Jan. A. Kregel

Abstract

Paul Krugman has argued that Japan is in a liquidity trap and that it
can
recover only if the central bank there follows a policy of 
"credible inflation."
This paper argues that Krugman's proposal, which is similar to what
Fisher
proposed during the depression, is based on a different interpretation
of the
liquidity trap from that proposed by Keynes and as a result his policy
recommendations can result in neither the elimination of the trap 
nor in Japan's
economic recovery.

I was a bit disappointed with this article, which seems obsessively 
concerned with "what Keynes really said." Sometimes the Keynesians 
can be more fundamentalist in their method than the Marxists.

Right, but Kregel's conclusion appears sounder than Krugman's (within 
the confines of Keynesian economics, that is), at least to this 
non-economist:

*   Clearly, in present conditions it is not the lack of a 
credible inflation policy, but a credible interest rate policy that 
is creating difficulty.  As Keynes notes in relation to Fisher's 
recommendations of inflating out of the Great Depression: "The 
stimulating effect of the expectation of higher prices is due, not to 
its raising the rate of interest (that would be a paradoxical way of 
stimulating output --in so far as the rate of interest rises, the 
stimulating effect is to that extent offset), but to its raising the 
marginal efficiency of a given stock of capital" (JMK:VII, p. 143) 
that is, raising the expectation of returns on new investment 
relative to the rate of interest, and this requires a credible policy 
that interest rates will not rise along with the rate of inflation, 
which is to say that the Fisher relation and the quantity theory 
should not hold.  But the failure of a higher rate of increase in the 
quantity of money to increase prices and the rate of interest is what 
Krugman calls the liquidity trap and he identifies as the cause of 
Japan's recession.  In Japan even if the Bank of Japan could mount a 
credible inflation policy, there would be no guarantee of the 
stability of the yield curve.  What is required is a credible policy 
to ensure increased higher rates of return on investment, which may 
or may not be accompanied by rising prices.  In general in Japan it 
has not.  This requires credible increases in aggregate demand. 
Traditionally in Japan this has come from exports.  Given recent Yen 
strength and other structural changes in global markets this is now 
unlikely.  What Japan needs is a credible policy of increasing the 
return on producing for domestic demand.  From a Keynesian point of 
view it might be more appropriate to say that Japan is in an 
underemployment equilibrium with deficient aggregate demand than in a 
liquidity trap.

http://www.levy.org/docs/wrkpap/papers/298.html   *

Yoshie




RE: Re: Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Forstater, Mathew

Jim- Are you an advocate of IS-LM??

Is this analysis totally wrong? 




Kickoff the unaugural ball!

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On January 20, 2001 wear black or go naked.


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Re: RE: Re: Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Jim Devine

At 10:42 AM 12/13/00 -0600, you wrote:
Jim- Are you an advocate of IS-LM??

No, but ISLM provides a good language for the _start_ of a discussion, 
since almost every macroeconomist knows it. For example, Paul Davidson, a 
well-known anti-ISLMicist, uses IS-LM in his paper on the finance demand 
for money (reprinted in his MONEY IN THE REAL WORLD). He may now be more 
purist, but he's still got that blot on his escutcheon (from his own purist 
perspective).

I'm afraid that ISLM will survive until someone presents a clear 
alternative, since criticizing a theory doesn't smash it until there's an 
obvious replacement. It's interesting that in Thomas Palley's excellent 
book on post-Keynesian macroeconomics, he presents a series of useful 
models that aim to get us away from the official Keynesianism (what 
Robinson termed "bastard Keynesianism"). The economics is quite different, 
but the graph remains the same. In his final, most complete, model, what do 
we see but ISLM? he draws it upside-down and (if I remember correctly), 
backward, but it's still ISLM. The story behind the curves is different, 
but it's the same graph. (I've lost my copy of that book, alas!)

It sort of reminds me of Rasputin. All sorts of folks have tried to kill 
ISLM, in all sorts of ways, but it survives. Even the  recent article (from 
a quite establishmentarian perspective) by  David Romer, I believe, in 
Brad's journal (THE JOURNAL OF ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVES) didn't kill it as 
much as arguing that the LM curve shouldn't be upward-sloping, since the 
Fed can fine-tune interest rates.

In the end, I think ISLM has a little to say about the short run, but see 
the rate of profit as the main variable running a capitalist economy, along 
with such things as the debt load, expectations, and unused capacity.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




RE: RE: Re: Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Forstater, Mathew

Yoshie- I would say Miyabe's book gives a very different view of consumer credit
in Japan than what you put forward. It does argue that there are a group of
people who do not go for credit cards, but this is not due to their
unavailability, etc. I will try to type a few paragraphs in later. Some history
is provided, via the lawyer character explaining some stuff to the detective. It
talks of big crises in the early 80s and early 90s, but also talks about the
beginnings in the early 60s.  The book also goes into the whole issue of family
registers and legal identity, also focusing on bureaucracy.  Supposedly Miyabe's
written lots of books that have been made into movies. Do you know if any of
these ones we would have seen (e.g. Tampopo, Accountant's Wife, etc.)?




Re: RE: Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Rob Schaap


By the way, is it cool that Yoshie is evaluating Levy working papers and I
am
discussing Japanese novels, or is this scary?!

Fantastically cool, Matt!  Only a jack of all trades can really aspire to be
master of one!  Especially when the one in question is political economy,
eh?  I realise it's because I'm a white bearded chap, but I do come over all
wistful for those great days of an intellectually bold and vibrant
bourgeoisie, say 150 years back, when white bearded chaps were not only free
to inquire into all areas of nature and the arts, but indeed felt it
absolutely necessary to do so.  None of that stuff we're hearing about
narrow specialists, encouraged to intellectual inertia by the deadening
institutional sway du jour, eh?  

We gotta rediscover (if enormously expand) the spirit that linked Joseph
Banks to Freddie Engels or Stephen Maturin to Sherlock Holmes.  The belief
that it is downright practical to stick the beak in a multitide of
'disciplines' and to theorise across that whole spectrum - and to have
everyone so enabled and so disposed ...

And on to claret and cigars with a generation of Yoshie Fuhurashis and Matt
Forstaters, I say!

Yours beyond even his bed-time,
Rob.




Re: Re: RE: Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Jim Devine

At 04:29 AM 12/14/00 +1000, you wrote:
Fantastically cool, Matt!  Only a jack of all trades can really aspire to be
master of one!

or jill of all trades, in Yoshie's case.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: Re: Re: Japan's Debt

2000-12-13 Thread Peter Dorman

Thanks, Dennis.  Can you provide some references?

Peter

Dennis Robert Redmond wrote:

 On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Peter Dorman wrote:

  investment.  The structural question is whether the elimination of
  these unproductive investments, and the resulting financial drag, can
  be accomplished within the political-economic framework of Japanese
  capitalism.  So far, Japan has not found a way to do this.

 Japanese profit rates are way, way, *way* up, especially in high-tech
 markets, and most of the bad debts of the system have been washed
 out. Even the banks are showing decent profit margins again. There isn't
 much evidence that capital markets have replaced the keiretsu banks as
 sources of investment, though the Big Four (Sumitomo-Mitsui,
 Mitsubishi-Tokyo, UFJ and Mizuho) *are* becoming more like European-style
 universal banks, i.e. doing business with their erstwhile keiretsu
 competitors.

 -- Dennis




gridlock

2000-12-13 Thread Jim Devine

So it looks like we're going to have another 4 years in the Bush Leagues, 
here in the old US of A. People like Alex Cockburn argue that the 
Bushwackers won't have much of an impact because of the gridlock in 
Congress. With gridlock, Cockburn argues, big initiatives like 
Clinton-Gore's welfare reform, are less likely to pass.

I'm not sure this works. With a 50/50 split in the Senate and close to it 
in the House, whether or not gridlock is good depends on how the Democrats 
respond in cases when there's a big divide between them and the GOPsters on 
issues (like abortion rights and Supreme Court appointments). My feeling -- 
but I'm willing to convinced otherwise -- is that compared to the 
Republicans with their hard-ball tactics (now with a velvet glove of 
"compassionate conservatism"), the Demos are a bunch of wimps. After all, 
didn't most Democrats -- including Al Gore and Joe Lieberman -- vote for 
Scalia and Thomas? Haven't the Democrats been more willing to compromise? I 
have a hard time imagining them fighting each and every Bush appointment 
the way the GOPsters have done with Clinton appointments.

What the Democrats need is a backbone, an external (non-electoral) force 
pushing them not to compromise, like the Civil Rights movement of yore. 
Those who try to push them to the left while promising to vote for them no 
matter what they do (like leftist endorsers of Gore) are weakened by the 
obvious contradiction in that attitude. However, given the weak vote for 
Nader, there's little reason why the Democrats should lean in his 
direction. (See Kath Pollitt's column in the most recent issue of the 
NATION.) In fact, the Democrats are more likely to unite with the 
Republicans to make third-party efforts even more difficult in the future 
(instead of introducing needed reforms like instant run-off elections). 
They've almost always shown themselves willing to sacrifice democracy in 
the name of protecting the Democratic Party's insider status. Grass-roots 
insurgency -- like the anti-Vietnam War movement -- seems more likely to 
shake things up than electoral action. If the economy goes into a recession 
(as looks likely at this point), then maybe those movements will arise. But 
it's quite possible they'll be right-wing, as with the militia movement 
that arose at the time of the Bush (pére) recession and the "jobless recovery."

It's likely that there will be a big move for the warring parties to unite 
in the name of the "public interest." There are lots of matters that the 
duopoly parties agree on, such as the war against Serbia and welfare 
reform. So the benefits of gridlock may not pan out.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Jim Devine

[was: Re: Have You Read All These Books?]

I wrote:  Okay, we agree in practice. _In practice_, AP's [analytical 
philosophy's] method involves discouragement of scholarship as Justin 
defines it here. 

Justin responds: Of course we could drop the "method involves" and have a 
sentence that means almost the same thing, which undermines the point of 
talking about "method." However, there is no point in raking this over again.

Perhaps "AP" can be _defined_ as the rejection of discussions of "method" 
(i.e., how logical analysis and empirical study should be combined to 
answer moral, empirical, and other questions)? So issues like the debate 
between Kuhn, Popper, Lakatos, and others who study the philosophy of 
science are deemed to be irrelevant (or even silly) by the practitioners of 
AP?

I asked:The _official_ or desired method of AP is logic? then what 
distinguished it from Aristotle? of from any other school of philosophy 
(except maybe post modernism)? haven't almost all philosophers since 
Aristotle thought that formal logic was extremely revealing if not 
absolutely necessary to clear thinking? Does AP add anything to logic that 
previous philosophers didn't know about?

Justin responds: Analytical philosophy is the heir of logical positivism, 
which gave modern logical, as developed by Frege, Russell and Whitehead, et 
al. an absolutely central place in doin philosophy.

 Modern mathematical logic is a quantum jump over the Aristotlean logic 
that preceded it in power and flexibility; there's no comparison. ... So, 
yes, I think you can say that analytical philosophy has advanced the study 
of logic a bit--more than anyone had since Aristotle, truth be told.

 Russell's analutical philosophy, the early Wittgenstein, and logical 
positivism (the Vienna Circle) made the use of this logic basic to the 
doing of philosophy; problems were formulated in terms of it, and those 
that couldn't be were dismissed. The only previous philosophical movement 
that made logic so central was scholasticism, where philosophers were 
likewise expected to be
fluent in formalism and able to think that way as part of professional 
competence. Of course the logic was much more primitive. Analytical 
philosophy has discarded most of the tents of logical positivism--the 
verification principle, etc.--but it has retained the emphasis on logic.

 At Michigan grad school in philosophy, you had to pass the math logic 
course with a high grade, and it also fulfilled the language requirement, 
on the grounds taht it was a "formal language." ...

Okay, so the AP types gave us greater understanding of formal logic. This 
is all for the good, though I can imagine that logic, like mathematics, can 
easily be fetishized in the face of an empirical world that often seems 
illogical or at least too heterogeneous and mixed to be fit into logical 
categories. Then, how is AP distinguished from other schools of philosophy 
that accept the validity and importance of logic? For example, Bertell 
Ollman tries to be as logical as possible. The way the term "analytical 
philosophy" is used,   at least as I've encountered it, it would exclude 
him. Would it also exclude my brother the philosophy professor, who's into 
"natural law"? BTW, he's also very logical, given his premises.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Charles Brown


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/13/00 02:28PM 

Would it also exclude my brother the philosophy professor, who's into 
"natural law"? BTW, he's also very logical, given his premises.



CB: That's natural, because law focuses on formal logic ( of which non-contradiction 
is the first principle) as much as analytical philosophy.




BLS Daily Report

2000-12-13 Thread Richardson_D

BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 12, 2000

RELEASED TODAY:  A total of 5.7 million injuries and illnesses were reported
in private industry workplaces during 1999, resulting in a rate of 6.3 cases
per 100 equivalent full-time workers.  Employers reported a 4 percent drop
in the number of cases and a 2 percent increase in the hours worked compared
with 1998, reducing the case rate from 6.7 in 1998 to 6.3 in 1999.  The rate
for 1999 was the lowest since BLS began reporting this information in the
early 1970s. ...

The economy continues to shift toward high technology, but a coming wave of
baby-boomer retirements also will boost demand for more traditional skills.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics predicts employers will replace about 25
percent more retirees between 2003 and 2008 than they did between 1993 and
1998.  Demand will be greatest for secretaries, drivers of heavy trucks,
elementary school teachers, and industrial engineers (Wall Street Journal's
"Work Life" feature, page A1).

With 6,000 Internet job sites in operation, the BLS says more than twice as
many people now look for work online than use private employment agencies.
[Based on research by outside authors published in the October 2000 Monthly
Labor Review]  (The Wall Street Journal's "Work Life" feature, page A1).

The epidemic of back injuries among nurses is to be the subject of research
at a Florida veterans' hospital. ...  The type of worker most prone to
having a bad back may not be a construction laborer, truck loader, of
warehouse worker -- but rather a nurse, according to figures for BLS. ...
(Daily Labor Report, page A-5).

The nation's jobless rate rose in November and third-quarter growth was its
most sluggish in 4 years.  Yet the labor market remains tight and experts
say it may stay so.  An employment outlook survey of 16,000 companies by
Milwaukee staffing firm Manpower Inc. found 27 percent expect to increase
staff next year while 58 percent will maintain current employment levels.
Manpower says the job market is so tight that employers who add staff for
peak business periods, such as retailers, should recruit workers year round
to stay competitive (Wall Street Journal's "Work Life" feature, page A1).

__Mirroring an expected slowdown in the nation's economy, nonfarm employment
in California, which has grown at a 3 percent or better pace for 4
consecutive years, will slow markedly in 2001 and 2002 to about half the 3.6
percent gain recorded this year, the quarterly UCLA  Anderson Forecast
predicts. ...  Few economists expect a recession next year, although most
forecasters have lowered their growth projections in recent weeks amid
mounting reports of sluggish growth. ...  (Daily Labor Report, page
A-2)_California's economy will weaken due to the shakeout in Silicon
Valley, but it will continue to outpace the rest of the U.S., several
economists forecast. ...  (Wall Street Journal, page A2).

__The percentage of American workers who received health insurance coverage
through an employer increased between 1998 and 1999, the Employee Benefit
Research Institute says.  According to EBRI, employers were the source of
coverage for 158.4 million Americans in 1999, up from 154.8 million in 1998.
In 1999, 73.3 percent of American workers were covered by an employer-based
health plan, up from 72.8 percent in 1998.  EBRI said the expansion
continued a longer-term trend that began in 1993, and based its analysis
upon Census data. ...  (Daily Labor Report, page A-4).
__Employment is the most important factor in obtaining health care coverage
for most nonelderly Americans, a new survey by the Health Insurance
Association of America found.  The HIAA survey found that more than three
out of five workers, or 63 percent, receive job-based coverage and nearly
three out of four workers, or 74 percent, were offered health insurance by
their employer.  However, 13.6 million of the 17 million uninsured workers
were not offered health insurance by their employers, the survey found.
Lower-income workers -- especially those who work part time -- are less
likely to be offered job-based coverage and less likely to accept such
coverage if offered. ...  (Daily Labor Report, page A-7).
__The cost of employer-sponsored health insurance benefits will rise 11
percent next year, and many employers say they will pass on more of the
expense to workers, according to a national survey of employers.  Two out of
five employers plan to deduct more money from employees' paychecks for
health benefits next year, the survey of 3,326 companies by William M.
Mercer Inc., a New York-based consulting firm, found.  Last year, one in
five employers said they would increase employee health insurance payments.
...  (Washington Post, page E1).
__New York benefits consultant William M. Mercer Inc. says employer
health-benefit costs rose 8.1 percent in 2000.  But the job market is making
employers reluctant to pass those costs on to current workers. ...  Xerox
Corp., Stamford, 

Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Justin Schwartz



Perhaps "AP" can be _defined_ as the rejection of discussions of "method"
(i.e., how logical analysis and empirical study should be combined to
answer moral, empirical, and other questions)? So issues like the debate
between Kuhn, Popper, Lakatos, and others who study the philosophy of
science are deemed to be irrelevant (or even silly) by the practitioners of
AP?

No, the anti-method thing is more of a pragmatist trope than a general AP 
thing. I, predictly, do not believe there is any such thing as "scientific 
method," and as someone trained in philosophy of science and political 
science, I will say that I find nothing so silly and irrelevant as social 
scientists who look to the philosophy of science literature for a models of 
how to do social science--it's appallingly common. I would sit in my pol sci 
seminars and laugh, tell the other stidents and prof, pay no attention to 
what WE say, just go out and find good examples of actual reserach and 
follow those! That's the danger of discussions of method, they will be 
treated as recipes.



Okay, so the AP types gave us greater understanding of formal logic. This
is all for the good, though I can imagine that logic, like mathematics, can
easily be fetishized in the face of an empirical world that often seems
illogical or at least too heterogeneous and mixed to be fit into logical
categories.

Absolutely.

Then, how is AP distinguished from other schools of
philosophy
that accept the validity and importance of logic?

In a pragmatic, sociological sort of way, by the articles students are 
taught to read and model their work on and that professors are expected to 
cite and discuss, and also by a sensew of what problems and what kind of 
answers are important and acceptable. But you knew this, so whya re you 
asking me? Are you trying for a concession that there is no essence of AP, 
that all philosophy is AP? What?

For example,
Bertell
Ollman tries to be as logical as possible. The way the term "analytical
philosophy" is used,   at least as I've encountered it, it would exclude
him.

No shit. He doesn't use logical formalsim, doesn't refer to Quine and 
Davidson or Rawls for his vocabulary and questions, doesn't think that their 
questions are interesting or their answers important, and responds to APs 
who find his own use of Hegelian-MArxist dialectics obscure with the charge 
that they are fetishized, that is, with more H-M dialectics. So he's not an 
AP,w hether that is good or bad.

Would it also exclude my brother the philosophy professor,
who's into
"natural law"? BTW, he's also very logical, given his premises.


I don't think AP is dogmatic about doctrines anymore. It's a matter of style 
and reference. Hell, you can be an analytical Marxist,a s long as you do it 
the way the APs do their stuff. So you can be an analytical Thomist, I 
guess.

What's the point of this discussion? I am not be arrogant about AP: it came 
up because I was trashing it as ignorant and uncultured.

--jks

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Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Jim Devine

I wrote:
Perhaps "AP" can be _defined_ as the rejection of discussions of "method"

Justin writes:
No, the anti-method thing is more of a pragmatist trope than a general AP 
thing. I, predictly, do not believe there is any such thing as "scientific 
method," and as someone trained in philosophy of science and political 
science, I will say that I find nothing so silly and irrelevant as social 
scientists who look to the philosophy of science literature for a models 
of how to do social science--it's appallingly common. I would sit in my 
pol sci seminars and laugh, tell the other stidents and prof, pay no 
attention to what WE say, just go out and find good examples of actual 
reserach and follow those! That's the danger of discussions of method, 
they will be treated as recipes.

I can see that some -- many -- social scientists _overdo_ the study of 
scientific method (and escape into method when they can't do empirical 
research or say anything substantive about the world), but how can you find 
"good examples of actual research" if you don't have some idea of what 
"good" is? It sure seems that the whole point of the study of scientific 
method is to answer that question. (Much of the study might involve waste 
motion, like most academic ventures, but at least people like Lakatos give 
some guidance for what "good" research is.) Following pragmatism, do we 
define good research as what's useful? to whom?

One of the reasons I'm interested in scientific method issues (Lakatos, 
etc.) is because economists, as a bunch, absolutely reject such issues. 
When I took economic theory in 1974 at UC-Berkeley, our introduction to 
method was reading a debate between Milton Friedman and Paul Samuelson. The 
MF argued that it's okay to make totally outrageous assumptions in making a 
model as long as the model as a whole predicted empirical data accurately. 
PS had some counter-argument which was pretty superficial, though I've 
forgotten his exact point (singular). (All of the debate was basically 
nonsense, especially since the MF doesn't follow his own method  and the 
polite PS didn't mention that.) Anyway, even that reading was dropped from 
the theory course the next year. We wouldn't want our students to reflect 
on what they're doing! After all, "economics is what economists do," 
especially those economists at prestigious institutions (who in turn decide 
which institutions are prestigious).

In the absence of some sort of philosophical basis, the only academic way 
to decide what "good" research is by having the tenure and promotion 
committees (along with the Dean and the college President) decide. Or have 
the journal editors or the foundation grant-givers decide. It's like having 
the market decide the worth of your work, where of course those with the 
most "dollar votes" have the most say. But people need to reflect on the 
research they do beyond thinking about how the "powers that be" value it. 
Robert Oppenheimer knew that.

Okay, so the AP types gave us greater understanding of formal logic. 
...Then, how is AP distinguished from other schools of
philosophy that accept the validity and importance of logic?

In a pragmatic, sociological sort of way, by the articles students are 
taught to read and model their work on and that professors are expected to 
cite and discuss, and also by a sensew of what problems and what kind of 
answers are important and acceptable. But you knew this, so whya re you 
asking me? Are you trying for a concession that there is no essence of AP, 
that all philosophy is AP? What?

My impression is that "analytic philosophy" simply defines itself as valid, 
so that anything deemed to be "sensible" is part of AP (so Bertrand Russell 
can be appropriated as part of the pack). That's hardly philosophical 
reflection, especially about the meaning of "validity."

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Justin Schwartz

I am not sure what the point of the study of scientific method is,a nd I am 
specially trained in it. There may not be a single point. I doubt if there 
is. But I am absolutely certain that philosophers have no insight denied to 
scientists about what counts as good science. If the philosophers say, good 
science must do X , nd the scientists say, sez who!, the scientists should 
win. So, you tell us what's good economics. Don't wait for us to tell you. 
That means it is up to you and your tenure committees. Sorry 'bout that.

I don't see pragmatism as defining good research as what is useful. That is 
too narrow. That sort of a priori answer is not pragmatic. Thats' not waht 
your tenure committess would say, is it?

AP is verya rrogant and defines itself as the only good philosophy. But it 
did not "appropriate" Russell. He helped invent it. He is an unabashed 
founder.

--jks



I can see that some -- many -- social scientists _overdo_ the study of
scientific method (and escape into method when they can't do empirical
research or say anything substantive about the world), but how can you find
"good examples of actual research" if you don't have some idea of what
"good" is? It sure seems that the whole point of the study of scientific
method is to answer that question. (Much of the study might involve waste
motion, like most academic ventures, but at least people like Lakatos give
some guidance for what "good" research is.) Following pragmatism, do we
define good research as what's useful? to whom?

One of the reasons I'm interested in scientific method issues (Lakatos,
etc.) is because economists, as a bunch, absolutely reject such issues.
When I took economic theory in 1974 at UC-Berkeley, our introduction to
method was reading a debate between Milton Friedman and Paul Samuelson. The
MF argued that it's okay to make totally outrageous assumptions in making a
model as long as the model as a whole predicted empirical data accurately.
PS had some counter-argument which was pretty superficial, though I've
forgotten his exact point (singular). (All of the debate was basically
nonsense, especially since the MF doesn't follow his own method  and the
polite PS didn't mention that.) Anyway, even that reading was dropped from
the theory course the next year. We wouldn't want our students to reflect
on what they're doing! After all, "economics is what economists do,"
especially those economists at prestigious institutions (who in turn decide
which institutions are prestigious).

In the absence of some sort of philosophical basis, the only academic way
to decide what "good" research is by having the tenure and promotion
committees (along with the Dean and the college President) decide. Or have
the journal editors or the foundation grant-givers decide. It's like having
the market decide the worth of your work, where of course those with the
most "dollar votes" have the most say. But people need to reflect on the
research they do beyond thinking about how the "powers that be" value it.
Robert Oppenheimer knew that.

. . . .

My impression is that "analytic philosophy" simply defines itself as valid,
so that anything deemed to be "sensible" is part of AP (so Bertrand Russell
can be appropriated as part of the pack). That's hardly philosophical
reflection, especially about the meaning of "validity."

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine


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Kicking off the unaugural ball II

2000-12-13 Thread Tom Walker

Michael, Isn't Bob Perelman your brother? I wanted to check the status of
the coined word "unaugural" as of Dec. 13, 2000 and did an Alta Vista and
Google search (6 and 26 hits respectively). Most of the entries appear to be
typos but one of them referred to an essay by Bob Perelman that briefly
discusses The Unaugural Poem, a parody of Maya Angelou's Inaugural Poem read
at Clinton's first inauguration. I've pasted the excerpt below. Here's my
proposition: Do an Alta Vista and Google search on unaugural on Feb. 13,
2001 and on Dec. 13 2001 to gauge the spread of the term. 

Uncanny. 

excerpt from BUILDING A MORE POWERFUL VOCABULARY: BRUCE ANDREWS AND THE
WORLD (TRADE CENTER)
 
http://www.english.upenn.edu/~perelman/ANDREWS.txt

Coolidge and Fagin wrote a parody of Angelou's 
inaugural poem that uses an OuLiPo method of 
defamilization. Every noun Angelou used was replaced by 
a noun five words removed in the dictionary. Thus the 
passage I quoted earlier becomes:

There is a true yawn to respond to
The singing Roach and the wise Rock Crystal.
So say the Ash Can, the Hippogriff, the Jetsam, 
The Afterbirth, the Native American Legion, the Sinner, 
The Catnip, the Musskellunge, the Freezer, the Great 
White Way, 
The Ipso Facto, the Quota, the Prima Donna, the Sheet, 
The Gavel, the Stovepipe, the Prawn, 
The Prism, the Homburg, the Taxi.
They hear. They all hear
The spatter of the Tree of Heaven. 


If Andrews is playing with fire in a decentered, 
all-over fashion, Coolidge and Fagin are, with these 
substitutions, picking up specific burning brands one 
after the other. Some of the changes are particularly 
charged: Asian = Ash Can; Native American = Native 
American Legion; Rabbi = Quota, etc. To any identifying 
reader these substitutions might feel like insulting 
jokes. But if one tried to ascribe a particular location 
to the source of the insult, it wouldn't be easy. This 
isn't Andrew Dice Clay joking about faggots, or a racist 
attack. It is the dictionary's random speech. If we allow 
ourselves the double vision that the parody assumes, the 
oddness of the results can be funny. The alphabetic 
proximity of "Catholic" to "Catnip" or of "Gay" to 
"Gavel" furnishes a compact display of the arbitrariness 
of language. And then there's a second level, on which 
the arbitrary suddenly becomes paradoxically meaningful. 
Being gay will mean, for the next few decades, dealing 
with courtrooms and gavels directly or indirectly; 
"stovepipe" is a surprisingly good nickname for 
"straight," both geometrically and with its New England 
crackerbarrel connotations. 

But we shouldn't lose sight of the basic fuel of 
the parody, which is a great dissatisfaction with the 
coalition of identities that Angelou is positing, and the 
emphatic rejection of its rhetoric that works with 
established cadences and symbols, not single words. I 
imagine that it was the specific inclusiveness of 
Angelou's poem, plus its being officially recognized as 
poetry by an incoming administration, that triggered the 
desire to pull the rug from under it. I doubt that it 
would have seemed like a particularly good idea to redo, 
say, Amiri Baraka's "It's Nation Time." But for all of 
its vocabularistic satire on names and specific 
identities, the subject position from which "The 
Unaugural Poem" is funny is itself specific: it is one 
where all resources of language are present and equally 
available: the writer must be able to take possession of 
all the words in the dictionary without any moments of 
alienation. There is one restriction involved, however: 
all particular identification has to be eliminated. Any 
investment in present tense collectivities--or to put it 
another way, any present tense political identity--is 
banished. To parody Angelou is to reject a unification of 
poetry and politics of a far different kind than Andrews 
calls for. But if political poetry is defined as having 
an effect beyond the purely literary sphere, then 
Angelou's unificiation has a much stronger grip on the 
title than Andrews' aggressiveness. Rock, river, and tree 
used as large symbols may grate on a spectrum of poetic 
sensibilities, but as political speech their vacuousness 
can be seen is strategic and as forming vehicles for more 
specific messages. She used her momentary political 
capital to recite a rhythmic call for a multicultural 
coalition with anti-militarist overtones. How much 
efficacy we want to grant these overtones is a question.
Tom Walker
Sandwichman and Deconsultant
Bowen Island, BC




Disenfranchisement Report - Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights

2000-12-13 Thread Nathan Newman

- Original Message -
From: "Rich Cowan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MEMO TO MEDIA

To:  Reporters, Editorial Writers and Columnists Covering
Florida Vote

From: Ed Jackson, Advancement Project
(202) 728-9557, (202) 251-3894, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Diane L. Gross, LawyersÌ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law
(202) 662-8317; cell: 202-258-9951; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date:  November 17, 2000

Re: Democracy At Risk: Voting-Rights Complaints Mounting In
Florida


For 11 days, the nation and the media have been transfixed by issues
related to balloting problems in the Florida elections, and understandably
so.  However, there have also been substantial and credible allegations of
disenfranchisement of minority voters in several Florida counties.

There are compelling reasons to address these complaints of
disenfranchisement immediately, and with the utmost gravity:

First, Florida has a long and well-documented history of discrimination
against African American voters.

Because of their past history of discrimination, five of FloridaÌs counties
have been declared ÏcoveredÓ jurisdictions under Section 5 of the Voting
Rights Act (requiring them to obtain U.S. Justice Department authorization
for any proposed change in voting practices in those counties).

Second, there have been reports from Florida that hundreds of African
Americans, Haitian Americans and Puerto Ricans may have been denied their
constitutionally guaranteed right to vote in the November 7, 2000 election.

Civil rights organizations associated with the Leadership Conference on
Civil Rights (LCCR) have received complaints of widespread denial of the
right to vote, predominantly affecting minority voters and heavily-minority
precincts.  Some of these complaints were presented at NAACP field hearings
November 11 in Miami, at which leaders of several other LCCR member
organizations participated.  These hearings were the first step in an
effort to make a public record of the reports of voting irregularities
experienced by African Americans and other citizens who attempted to vote,
and to ascertain the extent of the disenfranchisement.


ALLEGED ABUSES

The information gathered by civil rights organizations, including the
NAACP, details allegations of several forms of outright denial of the right
to vote, as well as intimidation and barriers that prevented or discouraged
voting.  All of the following types of disenfranchisementÛalleging serious
violations of the United States Constitution, the federal Voting Rights Act
and the National Voter Registration Act, as well as Florida Election Law
and Florida Civil Rights LawsÛhave been described in complaints to LCCR
organizations:


Voters Turned Away at the Polls

ÖMinority voters who have been registered, and have voted, for many
years were told when they appeared at their polling places that they did
not appear on the voting lists.  Some minority voters said they were turned
away because they did not have photo identification, even though Florida
law provides that registered voters without photo IDs may cast Ïaffidavit
ballotsÓ.

ÖReports indicate that in some counties, minority voters were asked
for a photo ID while white voters were not.

ÖSome minority voters claimed that they were turned away even when
they appeared at the polling place with both their voter card and a photo
ID.

ÖVoters who did not appear on the voting list or have a photo ID
reported that they were shunted into a ÏproblemÓ line, where they waited
for long periods of time after being told that election officials were
trying to telephone headquarters.  However, because phone lines were jammed
and many of these calls never went through, many voters said they became
discouraged and left without voting.

ÖSome voters told of being sent from polling place to polling
place, with no real effort to determine where they actually would be
permitted to vote.  Some claimed to have been turned away from not just
one, but three or four polling places.

ÖOther voters reported being denied the right to vote because of
minor, immaterial discrepancies in their names as they appeared on
registration lists and in their proof of identificationÛsuch as their use
of middle initials.  Voters who were turned away said that they were not
offered affidavits or challenged ballots.

ÖMoreover, poll workers reportedly were instructed by their
supervisors to be particularly ÏstrictÓ in challenging voter qualifications
because of aggressive voter registration and turnout efforts that had been
made in their communities in connection with the November 7 election.

ÖLarge numbers of minority voters who registered before the October
10, 2000 deadline under Florida law did not receive their voting cards
before November 7.  When they appeared at the polls, they were told they
were not on the voting list and were not permitted to vote.


Polling Places Moved 

Re: Question for Lefties, and Left Green Synthesis

2000-12-13 Thread Brian Milani


This discussion of “what is capitalism?,” it seems to me, has great
relevance for any real left-green synthesis.   Most of the left is
oblivious to the existence of postindustrial productive forces geared to
qualitative development, and the fact that capitalism is absolutely
incompatible with such postmaterial development.  Real postindustrialism
is not primarily about information and computers, but about human cultural
development, and how this new role for creativity makes possible
widespread substitution of human intelligence for materials and energy. 
It’s about what Martin Sklar called “disaccumulation” and what the
industrial ecologists call “dematerialization”.  Only the industrial
ecologists, and advocates of eco-capitalism, do not see that capitalism
cannot by definition dematerialize the economy as a whole because it is
based in quantitative accumulation.  Capitalism is based in material and
monetary accumulation; in scarcity; and in cog-labour.

I agree with the folks arguing that it is the commodity relationship
(M-C-M, etc.) that is key, because qualitative development (or the
regeneration of communities and ecosystems) can never be, for the system
as a whole,  a by-product, a spin-off or a trickle-down of accumulation. 
The ecological “end-use” approach is essentially the socialist “use-value”
approach.  The starting point is human and ecological need—and the
redefinition of wealth.  Questions of the distribution of wealth must
follow—and will follow—from that.  The focus of Jim and others on
proletarianism and wage labour is very closely connected to this
subordination of human development; today’s working classes must
ultimately put an end to cog-labour, and make sure that even routine
labour is truly developmental.
I agree with Yoshie that support for ongoing struggles is essential, but
developing a large social vision is essential.  In the name of diversity
and difference, apparently feeling burned by its past association with
vulgar Marxism, most of the left is retreating from the understanding of
historical potentials that should be the left’s forte.  The left is
largely clueless about the political-economic alternatives to capitalism,
and for this reason its stale statism does not ring true with many in the
social movements who are already working to create alternatives.   These
alternatives—in every sector of the economy and society—are not simply
ecotopian dreams.  The precondition for a real left-green synthesis is for
the left to wake up to alternative forms of production geared to
ecological community regeneration.  
When the left can do this, it can be very effective in showing how
eco-capitalism is a contradiction in terms.  But will also become aware
that a narrow focus on the state will be insufficient, and even
counterproductive, for creating regenerative wealth.  There needs to be
new rules, and these new rules can institutionalize quite different
processes than accumulation.  And in fact they would have to discourage
accumulation.  Markets, driven by the profit-motive, today are
destructive; but tomorrow, driven by social and ecological values and
indicators, they might be something else.  Rather than poo-pooing
environmentalist concerns with consumption (and therefore the CONTENT of
production), the left should be raising the ante, and indicating the new
forms of production and exchange (and community-based regulation) which
can establish a new mode of 

Brian Milani
Eco-Materials Project, Toronto
Green Economics Website
http://www.greeneconomics.net




Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Ken Hanly

Many analytical philosophers have been interested in the philosophy of
science. Often they are interested in analysis of scientific concepts both
in psychology and physical sciences. Norman Malcolm for example argued at
great length with Skinner re Behaviorism. Ryle's Concept of Mind on the
other hand is a critique of Cartesian type assumptions re Mind that some,
but not Ryle himself, regard as a type of linguistic behaviorism. Ryle also
has written on the relationship of scientific to everyday concepts. Stephen
Toulmin's work in the philosophy of the physical sciences is very readable
and perhaps somewhat neglected. Much more sophisticated and often on
specific topics, eg. a whole book on the concept of a positron, is Norwood
Russell Hanson. Elizabeth Anscombe seems to identify herself to a
considerable extent with the Thomistic and Aristotelian traditions even
though she is a Wittgensteinian.
  CHeers, Ken Hanly
- Original Message -
From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:28 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:6113] Re: Re: analytical philosophy


 I wrote:
 Perhaps "AP" can be _defined_ as the rejection of discussions of
"method"

 Justin writes:
 No, the anti-method thing is more of a pragmatist trope than a general AP
 thing. I, predictly, do not believe there is any such thing as
"scientific
 method," and as someone trained in philosophy of science and political
 science, I will say that I find nothing so silly and irrelevant as social
 scientists who look to the philosophy of science literature for a models
 of how to do social science--it's appallingly common. I would sit in my
 pol sci seminars and laugh, tell the other stidents and prof, pay no
 attention to what WE say, just go out and find good examples of actual
 reserach and follow those! That's the danger of discussions of method,
 they will be treated as recipes.

 I can see that some -- many -- social scientists _overdo_ the study of
 scientific method (and escape into method when they can't do empirical
 research or say anything substantive about the world), but how can you
find
 "good examples of actual research" if you don't have some idea of what
 "good" is? It sure seems that the whole point of the study of scientific
 method is to answer that question. (Much of the study might involve waste
 motion, like most academic ventures, but at least people like Lakatos give
 some guidance for what "good" research is.) Following pragmatism, do we
 define good research as what's useful? to whom?

 One of the reasons I'm interested in scientific method issues (Lakatos,
 etc.) is because economists, as a bunch, absolutely reject such issues.
 When I took economic theory in 1974 at UC-Berkeley, our introduction to
 method was reading a debate between Milton Friedman and Paul Samuelson.
The
 MF argued that it's okay to make totally outrageous assumptions in making
a
 model as long as the model as a whole predicted empirical data accurately.
 PS had some counter-argument which was pretty superficial, though I've
 forgotten his exact point (singular). (All of the debate was basically
 nonsense, especially since the MF doesn't follow his own method  and the
 polite PS didn't mention that.) Anyway, even that reading was dropped from
 the theory course the next year. We wouldn't want our students to reflect
 on what they're doing! After all, "economics is what economists do,"
 especially those economists at prestigious institutions (who in turn
decide
 which institutions are prestigious).

 In the absence of some sort of philosophical basis, the only academic way
 to decide what "good" research is by having the tenure and promotion
 committees (along with the Dean and the college President) decide. Or have
 the journal editors or the foundation grant-givers decide. It's like
having
 the market decide the worth of your work, where of course those with the
 most "dollar votes" have the most say. But people need to reflect on the
 research they do beyond thinking about how the "powers that be" value it.
 Robert Oppenheimer knew that.

 Okay, so the AP types gave us greater understanding of formal logic.
 ...Then, how is AP distinguished from other schools of
 philosophy that accept the validity and importance of logic?
 
 In a pragmatic, sociological sort of way, by the articles students are
 taught to read and model their work on and that professors are expected
to
 cite and discuss, and also by a sensew of what problems and what kind of
 answers are important and acceptable. But you knew this, so whya re you
 asking me? Are you trying for a concession that there is no essence of
AP,
 that all philosophy is AP? What?

 My impression is that "analytic philosophy" simply defines itself as
valid,
 so that anything deemed to be "sensible" is part of AP (so Bertrand
Russell
 can be appropriated as part of the pack). That's hardly philosophical
 reflection, especially about the meaning of "validity."

 Jim 

RE: Re: Question for Lefties, and Left Green Synthesis

2000-12-13 Thread Lisa Ian Murray


 This discussion of “what is capitalism?,” it seems to me, has great
 relevance for any real left-green synthesis.   Most of the left is
 oblivious to the existence of postindustrial productive forces geared to
 qualitative development, and the fact that capitalism is absolutely
 incompatible with such postmaterial development.
***
Do you mean post-technological? If not, then what does post-industrial mean?
Capitalism is a system of property and contract rights at it's core.
Capitalists have shown a rather insidious proclivity towards making sure
that technological innovations conform to a desired property and contract
scheme that allows them to accumulate lots of $$$ and legally avoid
paying for the pecuniary externalities imposed on other owners and
non-owners.


 Real postindustrialism
 is not primarily about information and computers, but about human cultural
 development, and how this new role for creativity makes possible
 widespread substitution of human intelligence for materials and energy.
 It’s about what Martin Sklar called “disaccumulation” and what the
 industrial ecologists call “dematerialization”.  Only the industrial
 ecologists, and advocates of eco-capitalism, do not see that capitalism
 cannot by definition dematerialize the economy as a whole because it is
 based in quantitative accumulation.  Capitalism is based in material and
 monetary accumulation; in scarcity; and in cog-labour.


*
Who reaps the benefit of that creativity is, again, a manifestation of the
dominant legal relations between owners and non-owners. Technology under
capitalist relations of production push at and beyond the ability of some
ecosystem's regenerative and resiliency capacities. As for the ability of
capitalism to dematerialize, see:

http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/80901e/80901E08.htm especially the
appendix. Then come back and tell me that Alan Greenspan and all the other
high priests of capitalism have the slightest idea on how to achieve those
goals, let alone the desire.


I agree with the folks arguing that it is the commodity relationship
 (M-C-M, etc.) that is key, because qualitative development (or the
 regeneration of communities and ecosystems) can never be, for the system
 as a whole,  a by-product, a spin-off or a trickle-down of accumulation.
 The ecological “end-use” approach is essentially the socialist “use-value”
 approach.  The starting point is human and ecological need—and the
 redefinition of wealth.  Questions of the distribution of wealth must
 follow—and will follow—from that.  The focus of Jim and others on
 proletarianism and wage labour is very closely connected to this
 subordination of human development; today’s working classes must
 ultimately put an end to cog-labour, and make sure that even routine
 labour is truly developmental.



Decommodifying our lives is the great adventurestruggle. Democratic
determination of use values is the great project of the 21st century. At the
same time, a lot more material output of goods is gonna be needed to
alleviate the misery of hundreds of millions. So the relations of production
must be transformed totally.

I agree with Yoshie that support for ongoing struggles is
 essential, but
 developing a large social vision is essential.  In the name of diversity
 and difference, apparently feeling burned by its past association with
 vulgar Marxism, most of the left is retreating from the understanding of
 historical potentials that should be the left’s forte.  The left is
 largely clueless about the political-economic alternatives to capitalism,
 and for this reason its stale statism does not ring true with many in the
 social movements who are already working to create alternatives.   These
 alternatives—in every sector of the economy and society—are not simply
 ecotopian dreams.  The precondition for a real left-green synthesis is for
 the left to wake up to alternative forms of production geared to
 ecological community regeneration.

**

Many on the left know about the experiments of which you speak. By forms of
production, do you mean that in an engineering sense or is it similar to
relations of production as commonly used by lefties?


When the left can do this, it can be very effective in showing how
 eco-capitalism is a contradiction in terms.  But will also become aware
 that a narrow focus on the state will be insufficient, and even
 counterproductive, for creating regenerative wealth.  There needs to be
 new rules, and these new rules can institutionalize quite different
 processes than accumulation.
**
Apart from the whole gender bias issue built into the idea of rules, if you
are talking about the laws of property and contract under which ecologically
benign technologies and social services are delivered to citizens, then
you're talking about the state as enforcer of rules both in the making and
remaking sense.


  And in fact they would have to discourage
 accumulation.  Markets, 

What Happened in Russia, by Ernie Tate

2000-12-13 Thread Louis Proyect

[Ernie Tate was a leader of the British Trotskyist movement in the 1960s,
where he helped to build the Vietnam antiwar movement, and where he
recruited Tariq Ali among many other radicalizing students and youth. He
now lives in Canada where he is employed as a skilled worker. If I get a
hold of Shepherd's piece, I will pass it along as well. Shepherd was a
leader of the American Trotskyist movement who was purged in the early 1980s.]

===

Hello Louis,

This is a piece I wrote for a discussion inspired by an article by Barry
Shepherd. I thought you would like to see it.

It was nice meeting you in New York.

Best wishes, Ernie Tate

===

What Happened In Russia? a contribution to a discussion, December 11, 2000

by Ernest Tate

I'm sure I was not alone among socialists during the period of Gorbachev
and the final days of "peroistroika", thinking that this was perhaps the
opening phase of the "political revolution" and that the Russian working
class would not permit the bureaucracy to dismantle the gains of the
Russian Revolution. The idea of "political revolution", the need for the
working class to mobilize around a program of "workers control" to allow it
to realize its full creative possibility to overcome the crisis of
stagnation resulting from bureaucratic control, was an essential feature of
the analysis of the USSR developed by Leon Trotsky. This program for
political revolution, to which supporters of the "degenerated workers
state" theory subscribed, encompassed some of the demands of the bourgeois
democratic revolution such as freedom of speech and association, the right
to strike, demands for workers control around which the working class would
mobilize through workers councils, and wh! ich would pose the question of
"political power".

There is little evidence of political revolution in the processes of change
in Russia and Eastern Europe since the collapse. Rather , the drive for
change, especially political change, has tended to come from those layers
in society who are outside the organized working class.

Looking at some of the changes in Russia, especially in the decades before
Gorbachev, we can understand why. From Kruschev in the early 1960s, social
and economic changes under the bureaucracy began to cause its
disintegration. Despite Kruschev's claims that they would bypass the
standard of living of the capitalist countries, by the early 1970s targets
of the central plan for economic growth and labour productivity were not
met. Before 1960 rates of growth under the two five year plans were 14% and
11% a year, respectively, remarkably high when compared to Western
capitalist economies. Projecting this growth rate into the future, Kruschev
could, with some justification say the USSR would bypass capitalism. But
the reality was something else. During the 70s and 80s, the Russian growth
rate fell to under 4%, says David Lane in his book, The Rise and Fall of
State Socialism. (1) At the same time, important demographic shifts in the
population began to undermine the regime. Two thirds had become urban --
from 22,000,000 in 1922 to 186,800 in 1989. (2)

In 1950, the number of employees categorized as "non-productive", that is
non-manual employees, in such sectors as science, education, culture,
health, insurance and tourism, totalled 6,260,000. In the space of 17
years, that figure had jumped almost four times to 23,812,000. (3) It was
this demographic group that had the most important impact on the history of
the last twenty years. There was the rapid growth of television and other
means of communication. David Lane writes that , "The population's
expectations rose: a consumer mentality matured as did the
bourgeoisification of aspirations."(4)

"This led to a more wide-spread receptivity to alternate conceptions of
socialism at the same time as there was a pervasiveness of illegal as well
as private economic activity." Among petty -bourgeois layers in the society
there was an increase in the belief that they would capitalize their
special skills in a market relationship. "It was a mechanism to realize
intellectual capital in monetary terms." Lane says.(5)

In general, there had been a deterioration in the standard of living of
these layers, compared to the pre-war period. There is a lot of anecdotal
evidence of truck drivers earning much more that highly trained medical
specialists. Loyalty and solidarity with the regime began to break down,
especially among professionals, who had become disenchanted with their
status: they were in turn cultivated by the leadership. Lane gives data on
the sociological shift in the membership of the Communist Party from the
late Breznev period to Gorbachev, towards non-manual and professional
layers and the influx of these layers into the top leadership and a
simultaneous decline in the number of individuals from working-class
backgrounds.

"The implication here," he says, "is that a dual class structure was
developing in which 

Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Jim Devine

Justin wrote:
I am not sure what the point of the study of scientific method is,a nd I 
am specially trained in it. There may not be a single point. I doubt if 
there is.

Perhaps you had the wrong professors (and given your complaints about them, 
that seems likely). But you don't present an argument for this proposition 
that can be either endorsed or rejected, so we don't know if it's valid or 
not.

But I am absolutely certain that philosophers have no insight denied to 
scientists about what counts as good science. If the philosophers say, 
good science must do X , nd the scientists say, sez who!, the scientists 
should win.

So you think that having insights from outside of one's discipline never 
helps? At least in economics, I know that knowing that ideology plays a 
role in each of the major research programs. So it helps to pay attention 
to such things, while philosophical reflection helps us to find the balance 
between abstract model-building and empiricism. I also think that examining 
epistemological discussions helps us avoid such views as dogmatism and 
indeterminism.

In biology, it's clear that method (including ideology) plays a role: look 
at Dawkins vs. Gould. A little discussion of what's wrong with reductionism 
would help the former a lot. Levins  Lewontin apply a philosophical lever 
to pry out all sorts of important stuff in their DIALECTICAL BIOLOGIST. 
They don't eschew philosophy at all.

Even physics (the alleged king of the physical sciences), when it gets into 
speculative stuff like string theory or cosmology, could use some 
philosophical reflection, since the usual consensus is impossible to 
attain. Though THE ELEGANT UNIVERSE (by Bruce Greene) is quite revealing 
and even more brilliant, I think that it could have used some philosophical 
insight (such as concerning the relationships between parts and wholes or 
the nature of scientific inquiry) to make his exposition even clearer. The 
Lakatosian idea of competing research programs also seems to apply to the 
split between string theory and the "standard model," while Occam's Razor 
might decide the debate in favor of the former.

I think it's better to have dialogue between different academic disciplines 
rather than to set them off in little overspecialized boxes (all made of 
ticky-tacky and they all look just the same). But even if the scientists 
insist on being positivistic jerks, those who study science can learn from 
philosophy, helping us choose which scientific theory or generalization is 
most valid. Unless we decide to be ruled by scientists, such insights from 
outside the scientific communities will be needed.

So, you tell us what's good economics. Don't wait for us to tell you.

This is an absurd dichotomy (tell us/wait for us to tell you). Why can't 
there be dialogue?

That means it is up to you and your tenure committees. Sorry 'bout that.

So you think that academia is beyond hope? Probably, but if one's only 
standards are those of the system, it leads to opportunism, cynicism, or 
worse.

To paraphrase some dead old philosopher (who's likely to be ignored by 
analytical philosophers), unexamined research isn't worth doing. One of the 
reason why economics is bombarded by so much worthless research is because 
people do it simply to climb up the academic ladder rather than because 
they're genuinely interested in it.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine




(no subject)

2000-12-13 Thread Lisa Ian Murray

One of the
reason why economics is bombarded by so much worthless research is because
people do it simply to climb up the academic ladder rather than because
they're genuinely interested in it.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine

*

Isn't it more accurate to say that economists "bombard" one another with
useless theory driven facts because they [male bashing alert] enjoy setting
up arguments in order to try and win them? The term academic ladder says it
all. Productive dialogue/multilogue is rare, esp. in the US 'cause the king
of the hill model of communication is so internalized.

As for interdisciplinary dialogue...political ecology for 100 please, Alex.

Ian




Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Carrol Cox



Jim Devine wrote:


 To paraphrase some dead old philosopher (who's likely to be ignored by
 analytical philosophers), unexamined research isn't worth doing.

I'll be damned. You put some legitimate zing into a proposition
that in the original was pretty vicious. To say the unexamined *life*
is not worth living is to raise a very acute question re who gets to
decide when a life is worth living. But *research*. No hubris,
thought there may be sharp dispute, over proclaiming which
research is or is not worth doing.

Carrol




Korea: Bank's president under union siege over merger regarded as jobsthreat

2000-12-13 Thread Stephen E Philion

SCMP

Thursday, December 14, 2000

Bank's president under union siege over merger regarded as jobs threat

B.J. LEE and AGENCIES in Seoul

Hundreds of South Korean bank workers were last night laying siege to the
bank's president in an attempt to stop him signing a merger agreement that
could threaten their jobs.

Kim Sang-hoon, president of Kookmin Bank, was blockaded in his office by
about 200 union protesters, singing and chanting slogans.

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Sino-US row flares

2000-12-13 Thread Stephen E Philion

SCMP
Thursday, December 14, 2000

Sino-US row flares

CHRISTINE CHAN and AGENCIES

China has reacted furiously to a United States decision to restrict
textile imports from the mainland, raising fears of a trade war between
the two.

Chinese Government officials said they reserved the right to take
"further" action in the dispute, which began when the US tightened import
quotas by US$9 million this year.

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Korea: Bank's president under union siege over merger regarded as jobsthreat (fwd)

2000-12-13 Thread Stephen E Philion

SCMP
Thursday, December 14, 2000

Bank's president under union siege over merger regarded as jobs threat

B.J. LEE and AGENCIES in Seoul

Hundreds of South Korean bank workers were last night laying siege to the
bank's president in an attempt to stop him signing a merger agreement that
could threaten their jobs.

Kim Sang-hoon, president of Kookmin Bank, was blockaded in his office by
about 200 union protesters, singing and chanting slogans.

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Gore's concession speech

2000-12-13 Thread Chris Burford

Gore's concession speech hardly helps the cause of those who want to use 
the closeness of the race to shift US politics to the left.

It was patrician and patronising in tone and substance. Its overuse of 
quotations and dignified good humour was intended to signal that the New 
Democrats are the natural rational party of government. His closing remarks 
about wishing to fight for those who had been marginalised presented 
himself as a condescending saviour and would have done nothing to endear 
himself to the white male working class who voted massively for Bush

[For example, among white men without
a four-year college degree, [Bush] received 63 percent support and a
whopping 29 point margin over Gore, up from a mere 7 points for Dole
in 1996. Similarly, Bush carried white men with household incomes
under $75,000 by 23 points, up from an 8 point Republican advantage in
1996.]

The repeated pleas for national unity by Gore were an agenda presumably 
designed help Democrats on bipartisan committees to argue reasonable cases 
about a form of socialism that concentrates on distribution rather than 
control.

While detailed technical work in policy committees will be an essential 
part of the struggle it can hardly be led by that.

With the luxury of observing all this from outside the USA, my impression 
is that progressives should not be sectarianly opposed to the Democrats but 
should be making alliances that do not depend on the Democrats, to shift 
power structures in even a slightly more radical direction. Otherwise Bush 
will consolidate a bipartisan politics in Congress with flabby Democrats, 
and the radical right will be rampant again within a few years.

Progressive campaigning needs to focus on issues, and include Democrats but 
not be restricted to Democrats.

Meanwhile it is the job of the Democratic Party to get votes from poorly 
educated white males.

Chris Burford

London