Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Thom Brown wrote: On 7 March 2011 22:31, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 15:27, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: I've attached a small patch with a bit of clarification and a typo fix in the synchronous_standby_names parameter info. Okay, I've noticed that the main documentation also needed some fixes, so those have been included in this new patch. I don't think it's necessary to cross-post these emails I've received conflicting information in the past on this, but I'm assuming you're suggesting to send this just to the -docs list in future? I send pure woring changes only to the docs list, and items that are related to behavior and docs to both. Does that help? Well, there's basically no point in posting patches you've already committed. We have a list where those get posted, and it's -committers. If you're referring to patches you haven't committed yet, then the effect of sending them to both -docs and -hackers is presumably to encourage even fewer people to read and respond to traffic on -docs than already do. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
Thom Brown wrote: On 7 March 2011 22:31, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 15:27, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: I've attached a small patch with a bit of clarification and a typo fix in the synchronous_standby_names parameter info. Okay, I've noticed that the main documentation also needed some fixes, so those have been included in this new patch. I don't think it's necessary to cross-post these emails I've received conflicting information in the past on this, but I'm assuming you're suggesting to send this just to the -docs list in future? I send pure woring changes only to the docs list, and items that are related to behavior and docs to both. Does that help? -- Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.ushttp://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On 8 March 2011 01:08, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 02:31:18PM -0500, Robert Haas wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: Re: docs, I'd actually like to see that list gone, as the separation of docs from code is one that's actively unhelpful. We don't have a separate docs team, and we rightly put the responsibility of documenting changes on the person or people patching them in. You're in the minority on this one. It happens, but I keep speaking up anyhow. Minority status isn't always permanent. :) Okay, to avoid any -hackers list noise, I'll exclusively send them to -docs in future, with the exception of replying to -committers or -hackers when a commit/patch contains fail. -- Thom Brown Twitter: @darkixion IRC (freenode): dark_ixion Registered Linux user: #516935 EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 15:27, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: I've attached a small patch with a bit of clarification and a typo fix in the synchronous_standby_names parameter info. Okay, I've noticed that the main documentation also needed some fixes, so those have been included in this new patch. I don't think it's necessary to cross-post these emails I've applied all of this but the first hunk, which I don't believe to be correct. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On 7 March 2011 22:31, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 15:27, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: I've attached a small patch with a bit of clarification and a typo fix in the synchronous_standby_names parameter info. Okay, I've noticed that the main documentation also needed some fixes, so those have been included in this new patch. I don't think it's necessary to cross-post these emails I've received conflicting information in the past on this, but I'm assuming you're suggesting to send this just to the -docs list in future? -- Thom Brown Twitter: @darkixion IRC (freenode): dark_ixion Registered Linux user: #516935 -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 10:53:17PM +0530, Thom Brown wrote: On 7 March 2011 22:31, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 15:27, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: I've attached a small patch with a bit of clarification and a typo fix in the synchronous_standby_names parameter info. Okay, I've noticed that the main documentation also needed some fixes, so those have been included in this new patch. I don't think it's necessary to cross-post these emails I've received conflicting information in the past on this, but I'm assuming you're suggesting to send this just to the -docs list in future? As I'm putting together the patches section for the PostgreSQL Weekly News, it helps me *enormously* to have only one list I need to check, so at least for me, it's an enormous help to have all patches at least CC'd, or better still, only posted, to -hackers. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter da...@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fet...@gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On 7 March 2011 23:21, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 10:53:17PM +0530, Thom Brown wrote: On 7 March 2011 22:31, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 15:27, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: I've attached a small patch with a bit of clarification and a typo fix in the synchronous_standby_names parameter info. Okay, I've noticed that the main documentation also needed some fixes, so those have been included in this new patch. I don't think it's necessary to cross-post these emails I've received conflicting information in the past on this, but I'm assuming you're suggesting to send this just to the -docs list in future? As I'm putting together the patches section for the PostgreSQL Weekly News, it helps me *enormously* to have only one list I need to check, so at least for me, it's an enormous help to have all patches at least CC'd, or better still, only posted, to -hackers. I cross-posted as it's a docs change, but I want to invite the critical eye of those who dev'd it. Okay, so doc patches should go exclusively to the -hackers list? Last time I recall some disparity surrounding what I should be doing. -- Thom Brown Twitter: @darkixion IRC (freenode): dark_ixion Registered Linux user: #516935 -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 11:34:48PM +0530, Thom Brown wrote: On 7 March 2011 23:21, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 10:53:17PM +0530, Thom Brown wrote: On 7 March 2011 22:31, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 15:27, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: I've attached a small patch with a bit of clarification and a typo fix in the synchronous_standby_names parameter info. Okay, I've noticed that the main documentation also needed some fixes, so those have been included in this new patch. I don't think it's necessary to cross-post these emails I've received conflicting information in the past on this, but I'm assuming you're suggesting to send this just to the -docs list in future? As I'm putting together the patches section for the PostgreSQL Weekly News, it helps me *enormously* to have only one list I need to check, so at least for me, it's an enormous help to have all patches at least CC'd, or better still, only posted, to -hackers. I cross-posted as it's a docs change, but I want to invite the critical eye of those who dev'd it. Okay, so doc patches should go exclusively to the -hackers list? Last time I recall some disparity surrounding what I should be doing. Should is a word I won't get into on this subject. I was expressing and justifying a personal preference :) Cheers, David. -- David Fetter da...@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fet...@gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 23:21, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 10:53:17PM +0530, Thom Brown wrote: On 7 March 2011 22:31, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: On 7 March 2011 15:27, Thom Brown t...@linux.com wrote: I've attached a small patch with a bit of clarification and a typo fix in the synchronous_standby_names parameter info. Okay, I've noticed that the main documentation also needed some fixes, so those have been included in this new patch. I don't think it's necessary to cross-post these emails I've received conflicting information in the past on this, but I'm assuming you're suggesting to send this just to the -docs list in future? As I'm putting together the patches section for the PostgreSQL Weekly News, it helps me *enormously* to have only one list I need to check, so at least for me, it's an enormous help to have all patches at least CC'd, or better still, only posted, to -hackers. I cross-posted as it's a docs change, but I want to invite the critical eye of those who dev'd it. Okay, so doc patches should go exclusively to the -hackers list? Last time I recall some disparity surrounding what I should be doing. I'm not sure we have any unanimity on what the right thing to do here is, and I guess I don't *really* care, except that I mildly dislike cross-posting as a general principle. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
Thom Brown t...@linux.com writes: On 7 March 2011 23:21, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: As I'm putting together the patches section for the PostgreSQL Weekly News, it helps me *enormously* to have only one list I need to check, so at least for me, it's an enormous help to have all patches at least CC'd, or better still, only posted, to -hackers. I'm not certain that David's convenience should be the exclusive consideration when deciding what goes where ;-) I cross-posted as it's a docs change, but I want to invite the critical eye of those who dev'd it. Okay, so doc patches should go exclusively to the -hackers list? Last time I recall some disparity surrounding what I should be doing. If we do that then it becomes worth wondering what the -docs list is for at all. Maybe we *should* get rid of it; I dunno. I see your point about how the factual issues involved in a docs change ought to be vetted on -hackers, but on the other hand the traffic on -hackers is so high already that I'm not happy about folding another list with a reasonably distinct charter into it. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
Excerpts from Tom Lane's message of lun mar 07 15:16:31 -0300 2011: If we do that then it becomes worth wondering what the -docs list is for at all. Maybe we *should* get rid of it; I dunno. I see your point about how the factual issues involved in a docs change ought to be vetted on -hackers, but on the other hand the traffic on -hackers is so high already that I'm not happy about folding another list with a reasonably distinct charter into it. Searching for doc changes/suggestions is helped tremendously by having them in a separate list. -1 for merging it with -hackers. I have no opinion on the -hackers crossposting issue as it doesn't affect me at all. -- Álvaro Herrera alvhe...@commandprompt.com The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:45:17PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Excerpts from Tom Lane's message of lun mar 07 15:16:31 -0300 2011: If we do that then it becomes worth wondering what the -docs list is for at all. Maybe we *should* get rid of it; I dunno. I see your point about how the factual issues involved in a docs change ought to be vetted on -hackers, but on the other hand the traffic on -hackers is so high already that I'm not happy about folding another list with a reasonably distinct charter into it. Searching for doc changes/suggestions is helped tremendously by having them in a separate list. -1 for merging it with -hackers. I have no opinion on the -hackers crossposting issue as it doesn't affect me at all. Definitely don't merge. Crossposting, I think, should be reserved for significant factual changes to docs of features that are in current development, like ... syncrep. :-) Basically, keep docs work on docs, but cross-post to hackers when a cross-check is needed. Don't routinely crosspost, lest that train hackers to ignore the docs posts. After all, we insist that developers of patches submit docs: correct documentation is a valid concern for all developers. Ross P.S. Everyone is aware of the settings for majordomo, so you only get one of any crosspost, right? -- Ross Reedstrom, Ph.D. reeds...@rice.edu Systems Engineer Admin, Research Scientistphone: 713-348-6166 Connexions http://cnx.orgfax: 713-348-3665 Rice University MS-375, Houston, TX 77005 GPG Key fingerprint = F023 82C8 9B0E 2CC6 0D8E F888 D3AE 810E 88F0 BEDE -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 01:01:05PM -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:45:17PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Excerpts from Tom Lane's message of lun mar 07 15:16:31 -0300 2011: If we do that then it becomes worth wondering what the -docs list is for at all. Maybe we *should* get rid of it; I dunno. I see your point about how the factual issues involved in a docs change ought to be vetted on -hackers, but on the other hand the traffic on -hackers is so high already that I'm not happy about folding another list with a reasonably distinct charter into it. Searching for doc changes/suggestions is helped tremendously by having them in a separate list. -1 for merging it with -hackers. I have no opinion on the -hackers crossposting issue as it doesn't affect me at all. Definitely don't merge. Crossposting, I think, should be reserved for significant factual changes to docs of features that are in current development, like ... syncrep. :-) Basically, keep docs work on docs, but cross-post to hackers when a cross-check is needed. Don't routinely crosspost, lest that train hackers to ignore the docs posts. After all, we insist that developers of patches submit docs: correct documentation is a valid concern for all developers. Ross P.S. Everyone is aware of the settings for majordomo, so you only get one of any crosspost, right? It's not that simple. If it were, I wouldn't have been asking for this in the first place. Re: docs, I'd actually like to see that list gone, as the separation of docs from code is one that's actively unhelpful. We don't have a separate docs team, and we rightly put the responsibility of documenting changes on the person or people patching them in. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter da...@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fet...@gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On 3/7/11 11:07 AM, David Fetter wrote: Re: docs, I'd actually like to see that list gone, as the separation of docs from code is one that's actively unhelpful. We don't have a separate docs team, and we rightly put the responsibility of documenting changes on the person or people patching them in. The -hackers list has enough traffic as it is. And if we don't have docs contributors who aren't code contributors (and I think we do), then that's a problem to be solved, not casually accepted. -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: Re: docs, I'd actually like to see that list gone, as the separation of docs from code is one that's actively unhelpful. We don't have a separate docs team, and we rightly put the responsibility of documenting changes on the person or people patching them in. You're in the minority on this one. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 02:31:18PM -0500, Robert Haas wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: Re: docs, I'd actually like to see that list gone, as the separation of docs from code is one that's actively unhelpful. We don't have a separate docs team, and we rightly put the responsibility of documenting changes on the person or people patching them in. You're in the minority on this one. It happens, but I keep speaking up anyhow. Minority status isn't always permanent. :) Cheers, David. -- David Fetter da...@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fet...@gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
