[Pharo-project] Can we display and input chinese?

[Hilaire Fernandes]

Hello

A friend of me in Taiwan ask me about that because previous version of
DrGeo used to work with Chinese display and input.

Hilaire

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Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] The SmalltalkHub demo is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 17:56 -0300, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> 
> BTW one thing I would love but I think you already answered to me
> that yes, is the ability to have a ConfigurationOfSmalltalkHub which
> let me take a standard Pharo image and execute:
> ConfigurationOfSmalltalkHab loadWithFuelPresistency. 
> and I can have my own/company/whatever repo running :) 

Exactly. that's the goal :)

Nicolas

Re: [Pharo-project] The SmalltalkHub demo is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 20:52 +0100, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2011, at 20:18, Nicolas Petton wrote:
> 
> > I'm glad to tell you that the demo of SmalltalkHub is online.
> > http://www.smalltalkhub.com
> > 
> > Note that this is a demo only (all projects will be deleted at some point).
> 
> Beautiful !
> 
> When can we start using this, knowing that the data is kept safe ?

I hope before the end of the year. The next demo will very likely run on
GemStone, then the final app will be hosted by the INRIA. 

Nicolas

> 
> Sven
> 

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] The SmalltalkHub demo is online!

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I'm glad to tell you that the demo of SmalltalkHub is online.
> http://www.smalltalkhub.com
>
> Note that this is a demo only (all projects will be deleted at some
> point).
>
> You can follow the SmalltalkHub project here:
> http://smalltalkhub.com/user/NicolasPetton/SmalltalkHub
>
> You can report bugs you encounter on the issue tracker there.
>
> This demo is running on Pharo (the next one will be on GemStone).
>
> The changelog is quite big, but here's some important changes:
>
> - The clone feature has been removed in favor of an inbox per project.
> (later the inbox repository url will be visible in the project overview)
> - RSS feeds for project timelines and user activity
> - Persistency is now pluggable (the current demo uses Fuel to serialize
> the repository)
>

Nice to hear that. Let us know if we can improve something.

BTW one thing I would love but I think you already answered to me that
yes, is the ability to have a ConfigurationOfSmalltalkHub which let me take
a standard Pharo image and execute:  ConfigurationOfSmalltalkHab
loadWithFuelPresistency.
and I can have my own/company/whatever repo running :)



> - New help system
> - New chronological view of packages
> - More useful commit view
> - The issue tracker has received some love some bugs has been fixed
> - new statistics view
> - Email notifications
> - And of course, many bug and UX fixes
>
> Some features that will appear soon (in random order):
> - Scripting engine to perform actions on projects
> - A diff browser
> - the ability to accept/decline packages committed to the inbox, and
> move/delete packages/versions.
>
> Cheers,
> Nicolas
>
>
>


-- 
Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Re: [Pharo-project] Status of ToolBuilder

[Marcus Denker]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Lukas Renggli  wrote:
> I was kind of surprised that ToolBuilder is still part of Pharo.
>
> Are there any users? Are there any plans to update it to match the
> version of Squeak? Is it encouraged to build UIs with ToolBuilder?
>
>
As much as I remember we removed it?

Maybe in 1.4, though.

--
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http://www.marcusdenker.de

Re: [Pharo-project] The SmalltalkHub demo is online!

[Sean P. DeNigris]

Nicolas Petton wrote:
> 
> I'm glad to tell you that the demo of SmalltalkHub is online.
> http://www.smalltalkhub.com
> 

Per-project inbox and issue tracker - hell yeah!!!

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[Pharo-project] SystemChangeNotifier and Traits

[ezequiel lamonica]

Hello again,

Now the problem is when I create a class that use Traits,
SystemChangeNotifier sends two messages to report this creation: 1st for
class added without traits, and 2nd for class modified to use this trait.
And this last message has Object as old class instead of ClassForTesting
without traits. 

For example: 

Object subclass: #ClassForTesting
uses: TSortable
instanceVariableNames: 'a'
classVariableNames: ''
poolDictionaries: ''
category: 'OOSCM-ClientImageTest'


Can I change those messages to use only one message that includes traits? Is
not this better?

What do you suggest?



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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

On 15 Nov 2011, at 20:27, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:

> With very long methods, I sometimes notice code rendered in black and then 
> again with Shout's coloring.  It might be Shout working as designed, or it 
> could be exposing wasted screen updates??

That is on purpose, very long methods are a no go ;-)

Sven

Re: [Pharo-project] [Progress Report] Zn+Zdc=HTTPS (Zodiac)

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

On 15 Nov 2011, at 20:20, Francois Stephany wrote:

> This is probably out of topic but
> 
>> Hosting of this website is provided by the stfx - Smalltalk is the Red Pill 
>> website.
> 
> What is stfx?

One of the domains that I own, used for my Smalltalk projects.

Sven

Re: [Pharo-project] The SmalltalkHub demo is online!

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

On 15 Nov 2011, at 20:18, Nicolas Petton wrote:

> I'm glad to tell you that the demo of SmalltalkHub is online.
> http://www.smalltalkhub.com
> 
> Note that this is a demo only (all projects will be deleted at some point).

Beautiful !

When can we start using this, knowing that the data is kept safe ?

Sven

[Pharo-project] Status of ToolBuilder

[Lukas Renggli]

I was kind of surprised that ToolBuilder is still part of Pharo.

Are there any users? Are there any plans to update it to match the
version of Squeak? Is it encouraged to build UIs with ToolBuilder?

Lukas

-- 
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www.lukas-renggli.ch

[Pharo-project] ChangeNotifier for recategorize a class

[ezequiel lamonica]

Hello, 

I'm working on Pharo 1.3 in a software content management project and I have
some problems with the SystemChangeNotifier.
I want to get changes between an old class and the new class when I change
its category. 
The problem is when I change a category for a class, the
SystemChangeNotifier sends this message:
"class: aClass recategorizedFrom: oldCategory to: newCategory ", but I can't
get the changes on the new class to get the differences between old class
and new class. 

For example, I want to get the change of instanceVariableNames in addition
of category change: 

I change:

Object subclass: #ClassForTesting
instanceVariableNames: 'a'
classVariableNames: 'xx2'
poolDictionaries: ''
category: 'OOSCM-ClientImageTest'

TO:

Object subclass: #ClassForTesting
instanceVariableNames: 'a b c '
classVariableNames: 'xx2'
poolDictionaries: ''
category: 'OOSCM-ClientImageTest2'

Any help?



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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Schwab,Wilhelm K]

Over remote desktop connections, I have found Pharo to be noticeably slower 
than Dolphin when similarly disadvantaged.   Otherwise, no complaints, but that 
is on Linux and Windows.

With very long methods, I sometimes notice code rendered in black and then 
again with Shout's coloring.  It might be Shout working as designed, or it 
could be exposing wasted screen updates??

Bill





From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr 
[pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Sean Allen 
[s...@monkeysnatchbanana.com]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:02 PM
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?



On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Guido Stepken 
mailto:gstep...@googlemail.com>> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I opened an old 1.2.1 image and text input was incredibly slow.
>
> I tried the latest one click and text input is very slow and jerky.
>
> Has anyone else ever experienced something like this on a Mac?
> Its really frustrating. Every pharo image I have is seemingly unusable.

Never say such things about Pharo here!!! Be aware of ProfStef. Too much bad 
energy! Think positive. Say: "Pharo is brilliant, maybe sometimes a bit slow!"

Ok?

This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images that 
were fine the last time I opened them in the spring.
Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone through this 
and fixed it.

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] The SmalltalkHub demo is online!

[Igor Stasenko]

Awesome!
Can't wait to start using it for real :)

Online code browsing is really cool feature: i don't have to download
package to explore its contents.

On 15 November 2011 21:18, Nicolas Petton  wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm glad to tell you that the demo of SmalltalkHub is online.
> http://www.smalltalkhub.com
>
> Note that this is a demo only (all projects will be deleted at some
> point).
>
> You can follow the SmalltalkHub project here:
> http://smalltalkhub.com/user/NicolasPetton/SmalltalkHub
>
> You can report bugs you encounter on the issue tracker there.
>
> This demo is running on Pharo (the next one will be on GemStone).
>
> The changelog is quite big, but here's some important changes:
>
> - The clone feature has been removed in favor of an inbox per project.
> (later the inbox repository url will be visible in the project overview)
> - RSS feeds for project timelines and user activity
> - Persistency is now pluggable (the current demo uses Fuel to serialize
> the repository)
> - New help system
> - New chronological view of packages
> - More useful commit view
> - The issue tracker has received some love some bugs has been fixed
> - new statistics view
> - Email notifications
> - And of course, many bug and UX fixes
>
> Some features that will appear soon (in random order):
> - Scripting engine to perform actions on projects
> - A diff browser
> - the ability to accept/decline packages committed to the inbox, and
> move/delete packages/versions.
>
> Cheers,
> Nicolas
>
>
>



-- 
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.

Re: [Pharo-project] [Progress Report] Zn+Zdc=HTTPS (Zodiac)

[Francois Stephany]

Hi Sven,

Great to see Zodiac!

This is probably out of topic but


Hosting of this website is provided by the stfx - Smalltalk is the Red Pill 
website.


What is stfx?

Cheers,

Francois

[Pharo-project] The SmalltalkHub demo is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

Hi guys,

I'm glad to tell you that the demo of SmalltalkHub is online.
http://www.smalltalkhub.com

Note that this is a demo only (all projects will be deleted at some
point).

You can follow the SmalltalkHub project here:
http://smalltalkhub.com/user/NicolasPetton/SmalltalkHub

You can report bugs you encounter on the issue tracker there.

This demo is running on Pharo (the next one will be on GemStone).

The changelog is quite big, but here's some important changes:

- The clone feature has been removed in favor of an inbox per project.
(later the inbox repository url will be visible in the project overview)
- RSS feeds for project timelines and user activity
- Persistency is now pluggable (the current demo uses Fuel to serialize
the repository)
- New help system
- New chronological view of packages
- More useful commit view
- The issue tracker has received some love some bugs has been fixed
- new statistics view
- Email notifications
- And of course, many bug and UX fixes

Some features that will appear soon (in random order):
- Scripting engine to perform actions on projects 
- A diff browser
- the ability to accept/decline packages committed to the inbox, and
move/delete packages/versions.

Cheers,
Nicolas

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] back to green on cog-mac-cocoa

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

Excellent!! THe test coverage is working well again :)

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Lawson English  wrote:

>
> Thanks Esteban.
>
> L
>
>
> On 11/12/11 8:53 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Finally, after couple of days, I have a running version of cog-mac-cocoa
>> build, with latest changes from Eliot integrated.
>> It was hard (and a good learning), and I'm pretty sure I'm making
>> important mistakes (as it is my first big integration), so I don't want to
>> merge with blessed until I'm more or less sure the integration worked.
>>
>> So... this is another "call for test" :)
>>
>> As always, you can download it here:
>>
>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/**pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-**Cocoa/
>>
>> cheers,
>> Esteban
>>
>
>


-- 
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Re: [Pharo-project] Thank you

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

Yes, thank you for building such a nice application on top of Pharo.

Really impressive and an important idea as well.

Sven

On 15 Nov 2011, at 17:23, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:

> Hello people,
> 
> A small note to say DrGeo is doing great progresses in term of features,
> usability and fun. I am working regularly with teachers from my school
> and elsewhere to develop new features based on their needs.
> The next release will be in December with a lot of new cool small features.
> 
> This is nice for Pharo and Smalltalk as well.
> 
> To document DrGeo, I am doing regularly screencast (now in Enlgish) in
> the DrGeo channel at Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/group/drgeo
> 
> Thanks for your helps.
> 
> Hilaire
> 
> PS: I really have fun programming DrGeo with Pharo Smalltalk
> 
> -- 
> Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-project] Some amusement

[Gary Chambers]

So, expect some tweaks to theming that make things more flexible
(Android UI "emulator" with theme etc.)

Regards, Gary

- Original Message - 
From: "Alexandre Bergel" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Some amusement



Interesting!

Alexandre


On 15 Nov 2011, at 14:18, Gary Chambers wrote:

We are currently using Pharo to develop prototype UIs for Android 
devices...

Not a lot of work to auto generate a skeleton app/resources from there.

Even with no UI builder, so much more immediate in Pharo when working 
with a customer

who's interaction  time can be limited.

Regards, Gary


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Re: [Pharo-project] Some amusement

[Alexandre Bergel]

Interesting!

Alexandre


On 15 Nov 2011, at 14:18, Gary Chambers wrote:

> We are currently using Pharo to develop prototype UIs for Android devices...
> Not a lot of work to auto generate a skeleton app/resources from there.
>  
> Even with no UI builder, so much more immediate in Pharo when working with a 
> customer
> who's interaction  time can be limited.
> 
> Regards, Gary

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[Pharo-project] Some amusement

[Gary Chambers]

We are currently using Pharo to develop prototype UIs for Android devices...
Not a lot of work to auto generate a skeleton app/resources from there.

Even with no UI builder, so much more immediate in Pharo when working with a 
customer
who's interaction  time can be limited.

Regards, Gary

Re: [Pharo-project] Thank you

[Gary Chambers]

Looks good! Go Hillaire!

Regards, Gary

- Original Message - 
From: "Hilaire Fernandes" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:23 PM
Subject: [Pharo-project] Thank you



Hello people,

A small note to say DrGeo is doing great progresses in term of features,
usability and fun. I am working regularly with teachers from my school
and elsewhere to develop new features based on their needs.
The next release will be in December with a lot of new cool small 
features.


This is nice for Pharo and Smalltalk as well.

To document DrGeo, I am doing regularly screencast (now in Enlgish) in
the DrGeo channel at Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/group/drgeo

Thanks for your helps.

Hilaire

PS: I really have fun programming DrGeo with Pharo Smalltalk

--
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[Pharo-project] Getting the setupMethod next to the test

[Alexandre Bergel]

Hi!

A recurrent deficiency in OB that I often bump into when writing tests.
I often need to know what the setUp is before writing a test method. Thus 
incurring a lot of mouse clicking. 

The following OB command allows one to get a new window with the setUp method. 
Personally, I found it useful. Maybe it can be included in the OB release. 
Shall I commit in PharoOB and produce a new version in the configuration?

Cheers,
Alexandre
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SetupMethodWithKeystroke.1.cs
Description: Binary data

Re: [Pharo-project] Thank you

[Alexandre Bergel]

DrGeo is really impressive. I played with the iPad version and wow!

Alexandre


On 15 Nov 2011, at 13:59, Tudor Girba wrote:

> It's great to see this nice product catching on!
> 
> Doru
> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Hilaire Fernandes 
>  wrote:
> Hello people,
> 
> A small note to say DrGeo is doing great progresses in term of features,
> usability and fun. I am working regularly with teachers from my school
> and elsewhere to develop new features based on their needs.
> The next release will be in December with a lot of new cool small features.
> 
> This is nice for Pharo and Smalltalk as well.
> 
> To document DrGeo, I am doing regularly screencast (now in Enlgish) in
> the DrGeo channel at Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/group/drgeo
> 
> Thanks for your helps.
> 
> Hilaire
> 
> PS: I really have fun programming DrGeo with Pharo Smalltalk
> 
> --
> Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> www.tudorgirba.com
> 
> "Every thing has its own flow"
> 

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Re: [Pharo-project] Thank you

[Tudor Girba]

It's great to see this nice product catching on!

Doru

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <
hilaire.fernan...@edu.ge.ch> wrote:

> Hello people,
>
> A small note to say DrGeo is doing great progresses in term of features,
> usability and fun. I am working regularly with teachers from my school
> and elsewhere to develop new features based on their needs.
> The next release will be in December with a lot of new cool small features.
>
> This is nice for Pharo and Smalltalk as well.
>
> To document DrGeo, I am doing regularly screencast (now in Enlgish) in
> the DrGeo channel at Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/group/drgeo
>
> Thanks for your helps.
>
> Hilaire
>
> PS: I really have fun programming DrGeo with Pharo Smalltalk
>
> --
> Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire
>
>
>


-- 
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

[Pharo-project] Thank you

[Hilaire Fernandes]

Hello people,

A small note to say DrGeo is doing great progresses in term of features,
usability and fun. I am working regularly with teachers from my school
and elsewhere to develop new features based on their needs.
The next release will be in December with a lot of new cool small features.

This is nice for Pharo and Smalltalk as well.

To document DrGeo, I am doing regularly screencast (now in Enlgish) in
the DrGeo channel at Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/group/drgeo

Thanks for your helps.

Hilaire

PS: I really have fun programming DrGeo with Pharo Smalltalk

-- 
Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Sean T Allen]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:

> 
> On 15 Nov 2011, at 14:03, Sean Allen wrote:
> 
> > Ya everything is indeed fine on another Mac ( older model ) running 10.6.8
> > 
> > I copied over a 1.2.1 one click that I had been messing around with a few 
> > months back and its very usable.
> 
> That is indeed very annoying, Sean.
> 
> Now you have to find out what is wrong with your main Mac.
> 
> Is there anything else that works slower than usual ?
> Can you remember anything that you did that might have had this effect ?
> Any strange background things running ?
> 
> I hope you can find the cause.
> 

I found the cause with a key remapper I use. I had tested it a couple weeks ago 
by 'disabling it' which apparently is rather
different than having it not in memory at all.

Thanks for the help and no so much for the thread hijacking. 

[Pharo-project] [Progress Report] Zn+Zdc=HTTPS (Zodiac)

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

Hi,

Since the first Zodiac code became available last May and since the two Alpha 
releases in June and September I think there has been some progress. I know of 
at least two projects that independently have put Zn+Zdc (Zinc HTTP Components 
& Zodiac) to successful use for doing HTTPS:

 - Paul DeBruicker's stripe.com credit card payment gateway integration
 - Guillermo Polito's google.com account authentication and API access (Ulysse 
the Monkey)

That is why in the last Zn release, HTTPS will work out of the box, provided 
you load Zdc and install the necessary plugin.

So the following should just work:

ZnClient new
https;
host: 'www.google.com';
addPath: 'search';
queryAt: 'q' put: 'Pharo Project';
get

ZnClient new
get: 'https://www.google.com/search?q=Pharo Project'

To verify that the query actually worked, you can do a 

self includesSubString: 'www.pharo-project.org'

on the resulting byte string.

There is now a new webpage dedicated to Zodiac:

http://zdc.stfx.eu

Currently, it is quite minimal, but it will grow when needed.

Although the project is far from finished, I think it is safe to move it from 
Alpha to Beta.

Sven

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14226

[Marcus Denker]

14226
-

Issue 4993: Failing Test: ZnNeoClientTests
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4993

Issue 4971: adding author to compiledMethod and authors to class.
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4971


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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

On 15 Nov 2011, at 14:03, Sean Allen wrote:

> Ya everything is indeed fine on another Mac ( older model ) running 10.6.8
> 
> I copied over a 1.2.1 one click that I had been messing around with a few 
> months back and its very usable.

That is indeed very annoying, Sean.

Now you have to find out what is wrong with your main Mac.

Is there anything else that works slower than usual ?
Can you remember anything that you did that might have had this effect ?
Any strange background things running ?

I hope you can find the cause.

Sven

Re: [Pharo-project] changing a method on an image file without loading the image

[Javier Pimás]

Thanks all. I finally could recover almost everything from the .changes
file. Anyway, the idea of changing a bit the vm could work, and also
debugging with GDB may make it possible to solve the problem. I'll keep
these possibilities for the next time.

Thanks,
Javier.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

>
> melkyades wrote:
> >
> > But it won't load
>
> You might be able to debug from the VM side. See
>
> http://forum.world.st/Fwd-Oops-I-put-a-halt-in-a-startup-method-td3800729.html
>
> HTH,
> Sean
>
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> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>


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Ciudad de Buenos Aires

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Marcus Denker]

>
> But, well, what I did is certainly uncommon usage scenario.
> People usually do not change #basicNew/#basicNew: or the 
> Parser/Compiler/Encoder classes.
>
>
Yes, and we will make changing things deep in the system easier in the future
(so people can change the compiler or debug the debugger without
shooting themselves
in the foot constantly).

 Marcus


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Re: [Pharo-project] changing a method on an image file without loading the image

[Sean P. DeNigris]

melkyades wrote:
> 
> But it won't load

You might be able to debug from the VM side. See
http://forum.world.st/Fwd-Oops-I-put-a-halt-in-a-startup-method-td3800729.html

HTH,
Sean

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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Stefan Marr]

On 15 Nov 2011, at 13:48, Fernando Olivero wrote:

> I NEVER had an image crash, of course i'm not stating that it cant
> crash, but would be nice to know how many people have to deal with
> image crashes and how often.

In the course of one week:


$ grep STARTUP MyImage.35.changes | grep MyImage | wc -l
45

What does that mean? I started the image 45 times.
And, no, I did not frequently save and quit the image, I just made it 
crash/unusable one way or another.

How to deal with it?

$ grep SNAPSHOT MyImage.35.changes | grep MyImage | wc -l 
145

But, well, what I did is certainly uncommon usage scenario.
People usually do not change #basicNew/#basicNew: or the 
Parser/Compiler/Encoder classes.

So much for numbers
Stefan

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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Sean Allen]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:19 AM, Norbert Hartl  wrote:

>
> Am 15.11.2011 um 04:39 schrieb Sean Allen:
>
>
>>
>> > This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images
>> > that were fine the last time I opened them in the spring.
>> > Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone
>> through
>> > this and fixed it.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Can you provide more details? What is VM version you using, what is OS
>> version etc.
>>
>>
> Mac OS X 10.6.8
>
> I deleted the vm I had. Tried various one clicks.
>
> 1.2.1 & latest 1.3 ( downloaded an hour ago )
>
> and both have the issue.
>
> I deleted the vm I had for non one click images and am going to trying
> installing a new one to see if that helps.
>
> Sean,
>
> do you have another machine handy? In this cases it might be a good idea
> to make a quick check with the same image on another machine.
>
> Norbert
>

Ya everything is indeed fine on another Mac ( older model ) running 10.6.8

I copied over a 1.2.1 one click that I had been messing around with a few
months back and its very usable.

Re: [Pharo-project] changing a method on an image file without loading the image

[Fernando Olivero]

I have never done that, but what i usually do is to load the .changes
file, and recover the lost changes (or the everything ) from there.

Fernando


On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Javier Pimás
 wrote:
> Hi, my image got broken and I think I know (thanks to the dump) what I should 
> change. But it won't load so I need to modify the image file from the outside 
> world. Is there any way?
>
> Cheers,
> Javier.
>
> --
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> Ciudad de Buenos Aires
>

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Sean T Allen]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 at 4:19 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote:
> 
> Am 15.11.2011 um 04:39 schrieb Sean Allen:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images
> > > > that were fine the last time I opened them in the spring.
> > > > Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone 
> > > > through
> > > > this and fixed it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Can you provide more details? What is VM version you using, what is OS
> > > version etc.
> > > 
> > 
> > Mac OS X 10.6.8
> > 
> > I deleted the vm I had. Tried various one clicks.
> > 
> > 1.2.1 & latest 1.3 ( downloaded an hour ago ) 
> > 
> > and both have the issue.
> > 
> > I deleted the vm I had for non one click images and am going to trying 
> > installing a new one to see if that helps.
> > 
> Sean,
> 
> do you have another machine handy? In this cases it might be a good idea to 
> make a quick check with the same image on another machine. 
> 
> Norbert 
I do have another Mac I could try one of the images on. I'm pretty sure it 
would work on another and this is an issue on my machine. 

-Sean-

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Sean T Allen]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> Sean,
> 
> On 15 Nov 2011, at 04:39, Sean Allen wrote:
> 
> > Mac OS X 10.6.8
> > 
> > I deleted the vm I had. Tried various one clicks.
> > 
> > 1.2.1 & latest 1.3 ( downloaded an hour ago )
> > 
> > and both have the issue.
> > 
> > I deleted the vm I had for non one click images and am going to trying 
> > installing a new one to see if that helps.
> 
> This is _definitively_ not normal, many Pharo developers are on Mac, using it 
> all day long, this would unbearable for any of us.
> 
> This must be a local problem. Do you have a chance to try this on some other 
> mac so that you have a reference for yourself ?

I used pharo for every day development for 2 years so ya, I know this isn't 
normal.


Unfortunately, I'm left with the situation where something is causing this but 
I have no idea what and it crosses image versions.
If no one else has ever had the same local problem, I have a long road to 
figure this out most likely.

Sean
hoping someone has experienced this before and knows a solution. 

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Fernando Olivero]

I NEVER had an image crash, of course i'm not stating that it cant
crash, but would be nice to know how many people have to deal with
image crashes and how often.

Because, up to now, during my last 3 years of Pharo usage it never has
been a big issue for me.

Fernando

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Peter Hugosson-Miller
 wrote:
> I think the troll said he was leaving, so let's just all take a deep breath, 
> be thankful for that, and move on.
>
> Positive energy is what we need here, feeding trolls drains us more than one 
> would think, so as far as possible we should just try and ignore them.
>
> Carlo's answer was cool, too ;-)
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Igor Stasenko 
> mailto:siguc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Currently, my Mac running 3 images. And it is hard to tell, but i
> think one of them runs maybe more than month , without hangs, freezes
> etc.
> Now, why i should trust your words (not backed with anything serious)
> that the software i use is unstable, when
> i using it every day and it works well for me?
>
> On 15 November 2011 12:18, Guido Stepken 
> mailto:gstep...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>> Ok, if it helps you to understand, that unstable software is quite useless 
>> for anybody ... will do that!
>>
>> Guido Stepken
>>
>> Am 15.11.2011 um 12:05 schrieb Marcus Denker 
>> mailto:marcus.den...@inria.fr>>:
>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:
>>>
 I think, programming, refactoring a peace of software has very much to do 
 with model theory, Löwenheim-Skolem theory (related to fixed point 
 theorem).

 Good programmers migrate code, addon's from one stable, consistent state 
 to the other. These "stable states" are expressed in release numbers.

 What are you doing? Don't know!
>>>
>>> So why don't you then just unsubscribe from the mailinglist?
>>>
>>> We clearly are not up to your standards. And this will not change.
>>>
>>> I think there is no way that we can work constructively together, so the 
>>> best for all is that you just go away.
>>> and everyone is happy. (you, too!)
>>>
>>> You can refactor according to Skolem, we refactor how we like it, and 
>>> everyone is happy.
>>>
>>>    Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko.
>

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Peter Hugosson-Miller]

I think the troll said he was leaving, so let's just all take a deep
breath, be thankful for that, and move on.

Positive energy is what we need here, feeding trolls drains us more than
one would think, so as far as possible we should just try and ignore them.

Carlo's answer was cool, too ;-)

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Cheers,
Peter

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Igor Stasenko  wrote:

> Currently, my Mac running 3 images. And it is hard to tell, but i
> think one of them runs maybe more than month , without hangs, freezes
> etc.
> Now, why i should trust your words (not backed with anything serious)
> that the software i use is unstable, when
> i using it every day and it works well for me?
>
> On 15 November 2011 12:18, Guido Stepken  wrote:
> > Ok, if it helps you to understand, that unstable software is quite
> useless for anybody ... will do that!
> >
> > Guido Stepken
> >
> > Am 15.11.2011 um 12:05 schrieb Marcus Denker :
> >
> >>
> >> On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think, programming, refactoring a peace of software has very much to
> do with model theory, Löwenheim-Skolem theory (related to fixed point
> theorem).
> >>>
> >>> Good programmers migrate code, addon's from one stable, consistent
> state to the other. These "stable states" are expressed in release numbers.
> >>>
> >>> What are you doing? Don't know!
> >>
> >> So why don't you then just unsubscribe from the mailinglist?
> >>
> >> We clearly are not up to your standards. And this will not change.
> >>
> >> I think there is no way that we can work constructively together, so
> the best for all is that you just go away.
> >> and everyone is happy. (you, too!)
> >>
> >> You can refactor according to Skolem, we refactor how we like it, and
> everyone is happy.
> >>
> >>Marcus
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko.
>

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Igor Stasenko]

Currently, my Mac running 3 images. And it is hard to tell, but i
think one of them runs maybe more than month , without hangs, freezes
etc.
Now, why i should trust your words (not backed with anything serious)
that the software i use is unstable, when
i using it every day and it works well for me?

On 15 November 2011 12:18, Guido Stepken  wrote:
> Ok, if it helps you to understand, that unstable software is quite useless 
> for anybody ... will do that!
>
> Guido Stepken
>
> Am 15.11.2011 um 12:05 schrieb Marcus Denker :
>
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:
>>
>>> I think, programming, refactoring a peace of software has very much to do 
>>> with model theory, Löwenheim-Skolem theory (related to fixed point theorem).
>>>
>>> Good programmers migrate code, addon's from one stable, consistent state to 
>>> the other. These "stable states" are expressed in release numbers.
>>>
>>> What are you doing? Don't know!
>>
>> So why don't you then just unsubscribe from the mailinglist?
>>
>> We clearly are not up to your standards. And this will not change.
>>
>> I think there is no way that we can work constructively together, so the 
>> best for all is that you just go away.
>> and everyone is happy. (you, too!)
>>
>> You can refactor according to Skolem, we refactor how we like it, and 
>> everyone is happy.
>>
>>    Marcus
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
>>
>>
>
>



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Re: [Pharo-project] gsub like solution for Pharo/Smalltalk

[Fernando Olivero]

Hi, this is an alternative script, i've added a couple of extra
examples you might find useful. Evaluate them in a workspace.

delimiter := $@.
string := 'key1@value1@key2@value2'.
substrings := string subStrings: {delimiter}.
dictionary := Dictionary new.
substrings groupsOf: 2 atATimeDo:[:each|
dictionary at: each second put: each first  ].

str := '' writeStream.
dictionary storeOn: str.
str contents.

str := '' writeStream.
dictionary keysAndValuesDo:[:key :value|
str
nextPutAll: value ;
nextPut: delimiter ;
nextPutAll: key ].
str contents


Fernando


On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:15 AM, mail list  wrote:
> Nicolas,
> Thanks.  Verbose is fine.  I will give your suggestion a try.
>
> I also commented on fernando's email below.
>
> S.
> On Nov 15, 2011, at 3:26 AM, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
>
>> It might seem a bit verbose, but your example translates as
>>
>> aDictionary associations inject: string into: [:subst :assoc | assoc
>> key asRegex copy: subst replacingMatchesWith: assoc value].
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>> 2011/11/14 Fernando Olivero :
>>> I dont fully understand your question, also i have no idea what #gsub does.
> gsub does a global search and replace in the string to replace any elements 
> with the replacement text.
> mystring:='hello there hello'
>
> eg myString.gsub('hello','goodbye')  ===> 'goodbye there goodbye'
>
> S.
>>>
>>> do you start from a dictionary ? or a string ? it seems that you want
>>> to create a dictionary from a particular string.
>>>
>>> Could you provide an example of such string, i could help you in
>>> finding the correct messages of String/Stream to send.
>>>
>>> The #gsub message, seems pertinent to all Strings? or is a special
>>> behavior for your special case?
>>>
>>>
>>> Fernando
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe  
>>> wrote:

 On 14 Nov 2011, at 08:25, mail list wrote:

> I have  a dictionary of keys and values.
>
> I have a text string in which the keys are marked with before and ending 
> symbols.
>
> In ruby to replace the key with the value in the text string is 
> reasonably simple.  (eg Dictionary.each { key,value | 
> string.gsub!(key,value) }  - or similar to this.
>
> While I don't mind rolling my version of this in Smalltalk, just 
> exploring the regex code and the streams code it is not obvious where is 
> the easiest place to start.
>
> If someone would put their comments on where to start I will build the 
> functionality and put it up on squeaksource since I think it is common 
> requirement.
>
> S.

 There is String>>#format: but there are probably other options as well.

 Sven

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Pharo-project] pharo-xmlrpc samples fail in Pharo 1.3

[seamus]

Hi all

Just wondering what to do next.
I need a working xmlrpc library for a project I am working on but the latest
version of pharo-xmlrpc fails due to a DoesNotUnderstand #contentString
error. This is just testing the samples provided as below:

| url proxy r |

url := Url absoluteFromText: 'http://snipplr.com/xml-rpc.php'.
proxy := XMLRPCProxy new url: url.

r := proxy invokeMethod: 'languages.list' withArgs: #('Your snipplr key').

r := proxy invokeMethod: 'user.checkkey' withArgs: #('Your snipplr key').
r := proxy invokeMethod: 'snippet.list' withArgs: #('Your snipplr key'
'pharo').

"To get a snippet you don't need key, but the Snippet ID"
r := proxy invokeMethod: 'snippet.get' withArgs: #('41365').

Any ideas to get this working? I see that someone mentioned that this may be
a missing method in the Dictionary object.

Regards

Seamus

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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Guido Stepken]

Ok, if it helps you to understand, that unstable software is quite useless for 
anybody ... will do that!

Guido Stepken

Am 15.11.2011 um 12:05 schrieb Marcus Denker :

> 
> On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:
> 
>> I think, programming, refactoring a peace of software has very much to do 
>> with model theory, Löwenheim-Skolem theory (related to fixed point theorem).
>> 
>> Good programmers migrate code, addon's from one stable, consistent state to 
>> the other. These "stable states" are expressed in release numbers.
>> 
>> What are you doing? Don't know!
> 
> So why don't you then just unsubscribe from the mailinglist?
> 
> We clearly are not up to your standards. And this will not change.
> 
> I think there is no way that we can work constructively together, so the best 
> for all is that you just go away.
> and everyone is happy. (you, too!)
> 
> You can refactor according to Skolem, we refactor how we like it, and 
> everyone is happy.
> 
>Marcus
> 
> 
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
> 
> 

[Pharo-project] Guido we love you (was Re: Slow text input?)

[Carlo]

Guido, I know Tuesday's suck so here's a super hug from me to you!

It's ok.
You're ok.
We're ok.
The world, is, ok!

Turn the noise volume down and relax, move into your stable state v2.0 to v2.2 
... tell us which vm you're using, which image, and what steps caused your 
Pharo image/vm to crash.
Remember we're here to support you, share the pain with us...ok maybe not 
Marcus but damn is that dude busy!

Peace! and all things nice...


On 15 Nov 2011, at 12:59 PM, Guido Stepken wrote:

I think, programming, refactoring a peace of software has very much to do with 
model theory, Löwenheim-Skolem theory (related to fixed point theorem).

Good programmers migrate code, addon's from one stable, consistent state to the 
other. These "stable states" are expressed in release numbers.

What are you doing? Don't know!

regards, Guido Stepken


Am 15.11.2011 um 11:22 schrieb Marcus Denker :

> 
> On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:
> 
>> Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, 
>> and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. 
>> 
>> So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release.
>> 
>> Ok?
>> 
> 
> Yes. And please unsubsribe from this list while waiting.
> 
>   Marcus
> 
> 
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Marcus Denker]

On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:

> I think, programming, refactoring a peace of software has very much to do 
> with model theory, Löwenheim-Skolem theory (related to fixed point theorem).
> 
> Good programmers migrate code, addon's from one stable, consistent state to 
> the other. These "stable states" are expressed in release numbers.
> 
> What are you doing? Don't know!

So why don't you then just unsubscribe from the mailinglist?

We clearly are not up to your standards. And this will not change.

I think there is no way that we can work constructively together, so the best 
for all is that you just go away.
and everyone is happy. (you, too!)

You can refactor according to Skolem, we refactor how we like it, and everyone 
is happy.

Marcus


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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Guido Stepken]

I think, programming, refactoring a peace of software has very much to do with 
model theory, Löwenheim-Skolem theory (related to fixed point theorem).

Good programmers migrate code, addon's from one stable, consistent state to the 
other. These "stable states" are expressed in release numbers.

What are you doing? Don't know!

regards, Guido Stepken


Am 15.11.2011 um 11:22 schrieb Marcus Denker :

> 
> On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:
> 
>> Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, 
>> and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. 
>> 
>> So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release.
>> 
>> Ok?
>> 
> 
> Yes. And please unsubsribe from this list while waiting.
> 
>Marcus
> 
> 
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Marcus Denker]

On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:

> Nobody likes the man who brings bad news. Sophocles, Antigone, Greek tragic 
> dramatist (496 BC - 406 BC)
> 

No. The question is if you are constructive or destructive.

I think the reasoning for you should be trivial: Pharo is not good enough for 
you. You don't intent to 
help fixing that, you just want to show off how great you are by showing the 
(imagined) faults in others.

Please unsubscribe from the mailinglist.

Marcus  

> Am 15.11.2011 um 11:35 schrieb Marcus Denker :
> 
>> 
>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:28 AM, Max Leske wrote:
>> 
>>> Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately??
>> 
>> Guido Stepken is the reason.
>> 
>>Marcus
>> 
>> --
>> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
>> 
>> 

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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

On 15 Nov 2011, at 11:28, Max Leske wrote:

> Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately?? We're supposed to be 
> a community and to work together. Obviously not everyone can share everyone 
> elses oppinions but that doesn't mean that we have to start flaming each 
> other like script kiddies…
> 
> Please let Pharo be a friendly place to live.

The Pharo community _is_ a very friendly place and we _do_ work together just 
fine.

But one cannot enter any community with a aggressive, negative attitude, let 
alone an open-source community run volunteers.

It was a provocation and we should best just ignore it.

Sven

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Guido Stepken]

Nobody likes the man who brings bad news. Sophocles, Antigone, Greek tragic 
dramatist (496 BC - 406 BC)

Am 15.11.2011 um 11:35 schrieb Marcus Denker :

> 
> On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:28 AM, Max Leske wrote:
> 
>> Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately??
> 
> Guido Stepken is the reason.
> 
>Marcus
> 
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Marcus Denker]

On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:28 AM, Max Leske wrote:

> Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately??

Guido Stepken is the reason.

Marcus

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Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Max Leske]

Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately?? We're supposed to be a 
community and to work together. Obviously not everyone can share everyone elses 
oppinions but that doesn't mean that we have to start flaming each other like 
script kiddies…

Please let Pharo be a friendly place to live.

Max


On 15.11.2011, at 11:22, Marcus Denker wrote:

> 
> On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:
> 
>> Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, 
>> and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. 
>> 
>> So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release.
>> 
>> Ok?
>> 
> 
> Yes. And please unsubsribe from this list while waiting.
> 
>   Marcus
> 
> 
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Marcus Denker]

On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:

> Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, 
> and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. 
> 
> So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release.
> 
> Ok?
> 

Yes. And please unsubsribe from this list while waiting.

Marcus


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[Pharo-project] changing a method on an image file without loading the image

[Javier Pimás]

Hi, my image got broken and I think I know (thanks to the dump) what I
should change. But it won't load so I need to modify the image file from
the outside world. Is there any way?

Cheers,
Javier.

-- 
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Ciudad de Buenos Aires

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Norbert Hartl]

Am 15.11.2011 um 04:39 schrieb Sean Allen:

> 
> 
> > This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images
> > that were fine the last time I opened them in the spring.
> > Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone through
> > this and fixed it.
> >
> >
> 
> Can you provide more details? What is VM version you using, what is OS
> version etc.
> 
> 
> Mac OS X 10.6.8
> 
> I deleted the vm I had. Tried various one clicks.
> 
> 1.2.1 & latest 1.3 ( downloaded an hour ago )
> 
> and both have the issue.
> 
> I deleted the vm I had for non one click images and am going to trying 
> installing a new one to see if that helps.
> 
Sean,

do you have another machine handy? In this cases it might be a good idea to 
make a quick check with the same image on another machine. 

Norbert

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Norbert Hartl]

Am 15.11.2011 um 05:30 schrieb Guido Stepken:

> Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, 
> and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. 
> 
> So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release.
> 
> Ok?
> 
It is ok for you. For everyone that would like to use pharo would do it in a 
more systematic way. The person would probably tell which VM version he uses, 
which image he downloaded, what he really did and especially what he did when 
the problem ocurred. And the person would be able to tell if it was a freeze or 
a crash. 
As you are not after problem solving but after nagging it seems to work quite 
ok.

Norbert

 
> Guido Stepken
> 
> Am 15.11.2011 um 05:11 schrieb Igor Stasenko :
> 
>> On 15 November 2011 06:03,   wrote:
>>> Em 15/11/2011 01:48, Guido Stepken < gstep...@googlemail.com > escreveu:
> Guido,  what is  your problem  with Pharo? If  you don't  like it,
 nobody forcing you to use it.
 Nobody forces me.
> If you want to use  it, but it doesn't meets your high standards,
 feel free to help improve it. Trolling won't change anything.
 I'm not  trolling. I am  tester. It usually  takes ... hmmm  ... 10
 Minutes of klicking around a  bit, until Pharo freezes. Last time it
 happened 2 days ago, all patches applied.
>>> 
>>> Guido,
>>> 
>>> Your post above can be analysed in several ways. I'll concede for start 
>>> that Igor's first impression /might/ be wrong and your assertion "I'm not 
>>> trolling."  is sincere.
>>> 
>>> However, the rest of the post evaluates to the following: If you really 
>>> believe in your second affirmation "I am  tester." there are some possible 
>>> explanations:
>>> 
>>> 1) You're delusional about your testing skills and need to improve them, 
>>> learning how to give us reproducible examples with accurate reports so your 
>>> "tests" mean something; or
>>> 
>>> 2) You keep poking the mouse at the world area of a Pharo launched image 
>>> and when you get bored you declare "a freeze" and come here to tease us.
>>> 
>>> For the first I'd advise you to learn to do tests which are actionable and 
>>> post your results here. For the second, make a self assessment on what is 
>>> the contribution for Pharo, or the craft of programming of your present 
>>> behaviour in this list.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> There's one more option: Yes, Guido is tester. But his test subject(s)
>> is not a software but us, or our reaction. This is the only conclusion
>> which i can draw by reading his posts which doesn't leads to
>> contradiction.
>> :)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko.
>> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

Sean,

On 15 Nov 2011, at 04:39, Sean Allen wrote:

> Mac OS X 10.6.8
> 
> I deleted the vm I had. Tried various one clicks.
> 
> 1.2.1 & latest 1.3 ( downloaded an hour ago )
> 
> and both have the issue.
> 
> I deleted the vm I had for non one click images and am going to trying 
> installing a new one to see if that helps.

This is _definitively_ not normal, many Pharo developers are on Mac, using it 
all day long, this would unbearable for any of us.

This must be a local problem. Do you have a chance to try this on some other 
mac so that you have a reference for yourself ?

Sven