Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Theming: does anyone have some doc?
Also, the STHStyler80 class coloring schemes are nice and well, but without an editor, good luck w/ the colors. That's an area where spec would come in handy. About that, I read that some paper would surface explaining spec a bit more. I updated the SVN but didn't saw anything conclusive. Is there something? We did not work on the spec tutorial there is only the old spec techreport available for now. Stef
Re: [Pharo-project] Big thanks for the organization of the Pharo Conf and MooseDay
yes and we should kick athens out. Because I want to see athens based demo at ESUG :) Stef On 5 April 2013 11:59, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Thanks again to Doru and SCG because the pharo conf was really nice and the moose day too. Stef +1 this event forced me to make Athens tutorial. And i thank you for that. :) Hope you liked it. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable enter for selection. Maybe people should give this a try and see? cheers Johan NECController-Changes.cs Description: Binary data On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: +1 Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: +1 Doru On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: theres a setting to: - disable ENTER to accept the completion - to increase the popup delay so I think that is invalid bug report then... i tend to disagree. The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion is breaking my workflow badly too. Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. We have to fix that. On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: From https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness : The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: 1. Type printOn: aStream... pretty common method start 2. Hit enter to go to the next line You will now have printOn: MCDataStream WTF!! I get burned by this pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before smart-ifying it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30022
Indeed, sounds very promising but what does it mean ? There does not seem to be any description in the issue tracker either, or maybe I missed it. What we integrated is a model (two classes) that andrei wrote based on the old debugger. The old debugger does not make the distinction cleanly between a model and the view. So the logic is mixed with the display. When andrei came at lille he wrote with ben a Spec interface. We should rethink it by the way because I prefer the glamourst one much more :). So this model is good because we can build tools on top. What we plan in the future is to have - to get a new UI based on the model and that this ui via this model still use the old logic (bytecode interpretation and the bugs we get with it) - an AST interpreter and plug it with this model so get a really new debugger execution logic (not a bytecode mapping range to text one) So Pharo30 will have at least two debuggers for a while - the old one but we are rewamped ui and using the model of andrei - the one based on AST interpretation using the rewamped ui and using the model of andrei Stef On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: 30022 - 10032 Integrate new debugger https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10032 Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/DebuggerModel-EstebanLorenzano.23 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Spec-Debugger-EstebanLorenzano.33
Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30022
Hi igor since you were at the meeting where we built the list of actions, you could also have edited the entry and add more information. Camille was nice to take notes for everbody and to open issues. I added contents. Now we can also use a bad and private wiki to store information that is clear for the core team but it will not be nice. Stef On 5 April 2013 17:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: There does not seem to be any description in the issue tracker either, or maybe I missed it. indeed, the record on issue tracker looks very informative. (in the attached). On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: 30022 - 10032 Integrate new debugger https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10032 Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/DebuggerModel-EstebanLorenzano.23 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Spec-Debugger-EstebanLorenzano.33 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. Screen Shot 2013-04-05 at 9.23.06 PM.png
Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30022
Yep, very good example of faked quality. Making changes at the rate of Pharo is demanding and I understand the will to by-pass some quality rules. But then, any one wanting to give lessons should observe the real usage of the bug tracker and think again, because this is far from being an isolated case. Nicolas this is always easier to talk than to do :) And you got the prove of it so can we look at the 95% of good practices instead of the 5% wrong? Stef Nicolas 2013/4/5 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com On 5 April 2013 17:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: There does not seem to be any description in the issue tracker either, or maybe I missed it. indeed, the record on issue tracker looks very informative. (in the attached). On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: 30022 - 10032 Integrate new debugger https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10032 Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/DebuggerModel-EstebanLorenzano.23 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Spec-Debugger-EstebanLorenzano.33 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
thanks I will try. Stef On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Johan Brichau jo...@inceptive.be wrote: fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable enter for selection. Maybe people should give this a try and see? cheers Johan NECController-Changes.cs On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: +1 Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: +1 Doru On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: theres a setting to: - disable ENTER to accept the completion - to increase the popup delay so I think that is invalid bug report then... i tend to disagree. The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion is breaking my workflow badly too. Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. We have to fix that. On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: From https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness : The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: 1. Type printOn: aStream... pretty common method start 2. Hit enter to go to the next line You will now have printOn: MCDataStream WTF!! I get burned by this pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before smart-ifying it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
How can I get fast the choices? Because when I type printO and press tab I do not get printOn: but printO | Stef fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable enter for selection. Maybe people should give this a try and see? cheers Johan NECController-Changes.cs On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: +1 Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: +1 Doru On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: theres a setting to: - disable ENTER to accept the completion - to increase the popup delay so I think that is invalid bug report then... i tend to disagree. The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion is breaking my workflow badly too. Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. We have to fix that. On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: From https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness : The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: 1. Type printOn: aStream... pretty common method start 2. Hit enter to go to the next line You will now have printOn: MCDataStream WTF!! I get burned by this pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before smart-ifying it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
Indeed, I also increased the popup speed in the preferences to something like 100 or 200ms. But yes, you should wait for them to pop up. I did not address any other issues than the 'completion keystroke'. btw, judging by the time of day, you can see who has small kids on this mailing list :-) On 06 Apr 2013, at 08:38, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: How can I get fast the choices? Because when I type printO and press tab I do not get printOn: but printO | Stef fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable enter for selection. Maybe people should give this a try and see? cheers Johan NECController-Changes.cs On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: +1 Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: +1 Doru On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: theres a setting to: - disable ENTER to accept the completion - to increase the popup delay so I think that is invalid bug report then... i tend to disagree. The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion is breaking my workflow badly too. Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. We have to fix that. On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: From https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness : The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: 1. Type printOn: aStream... pretty common method start 2. Hit enter to go to the next line You will now have printOn: MCDataStream WTF!! I get burned by this pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before smart-ifying it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
oh, I'm here too, but that's because I have insomnia, not kids :) On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Johan Brichau jo...@inceptive.be wrote: Indeed, I also increased the popup speed in the preferences to something like 100 or 200ms. But yes, you should wait for them to pop up. I did not address any other issues than the 'completion keystroke'. btw, judging by the time of day, you can see who has small kids on this mailing list :-) On 06 Apr 2013, at 08:38, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: How can I get fast the choices? Because when I type printO and press tab I do not get printOn: but printO | Stef fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable enter for selection. Maybe people should give this a try and see? cheers Johan NECController-Changes.cs On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: +1 Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: +1 Doru On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: theres a setting to: - disable ENTER to accept the completion - to increase the popup delay so I think that is invalid bug report then... i tend to disagree. The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion is breaking my workflow badly too. Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. We have to fix that. On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: From https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness : The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: 1. Type printOn: aStream... pretty common method start 2. Hit enter to go to the next line You will now have printOn: MCDataStream WTF!! I get burned by this pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before smart-ifying it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: Big thanks for the organization of the Pharo Conf and MooseDay
Hi Stephan Am 05.04.13 18:44, schrieb Stephan Eggermont: The sessions were recorded, and once Stephan Eggermont will convert them, they will be posted. And for some ideas on when that will be: I just got back from Diego with 72 GB of video files. This weekend I might find some time to proces them, but the whole week I'm at Accu2013 in Bristol. So what's not posted on monday, will take at least a week more. If anyone has other material (sheets, screencasts, other video) please let me know I am also looking forward to the videos and would like to thank everyone who contributed more or less to this conference. It was really cool and inspring! The link to my Prezi Selling Pharo-based Solutions: - http://prezi.com/h_j_prkjjaxq/selling-pharo-based-solutions/ Cheers, Chris -- Christoph Wysseier netstyle.ch GmbH, CEO
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
Works very well for me with a 100ms delay 2013/4/6 Johan Brichau jo...@inceptive.be fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable enter for selection. Maybe people should give this a try and see? cheers Johan On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: +1 Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: +1 Doru On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: theres a setting to: - disable ENTER to accept the completion - to increase the popup delay so I think that is invalid bug report then... i tend to disagree. The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion is breaking my workflow badly too. Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. We have to fix that. On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: From https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness : The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: 1. Type printOn: aStream... pretty common method start 2. Hit enter to go to the next line You will now have printOn: MCDataStream WTF!! I get burned by this pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before smart-ifying it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: Big thanks for the organization of the Pharo Conf and MooseDay
I recorded a screencast and put it on Vimeo: vimeo.com/maxleske/fueltankerdemo. Cheers, Max On 05.04.2013, at 18:44, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl wrote: On 5 apr 2013, at 12:16, Tudor Girba wrote: I would also want to thank the participants! The atmosphere was nice and the presentation was interesting. I for one learnt quite a bit. The sessions were recorded, and once Stephan Eggermont will convert them, they will be posted. And for some ideas on when that will be: I just got back from Diego with 72 GB of video files. This weekend I might find some time to proces them, but the whole week I'm at Accu2013 in Bristol. So what's not posted on monday, will take at least a week more. If anyone has other material (sheets, screencasts, other video) please let me know I'll keep you posted. Stephan
Re: [Pharo-project] How to define a ConfigurationOf with a #development version that depends on a baseline?
On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com wrote: Just a question: Is there any plan for a Metacello 2? We have learnt a lot and we have a clear idea on a number of versioning scenarios. What do we want the future of packaging in Pharo to look like? can you describe your scenario because we want versionner++ to support some keys scenarios and not all of them. Christophe is working on TravisCI so that dale can work with Pharo2.0 Stef Alexandre On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.com wrote: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15762706/how-to-define-a-configurationof-with-a-development-version-that-depends-on-a-ba -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Physical Etoys 2.1 released!
Thanks ricardo! Continue your great work. On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:38 PM, Ricardo Moran richi.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody (and sorry if you receive multiple copies), It's been a while since our last version but we're proud to announce a new release of Physical Etoys. You can download it from here: http://tecnodacta.com.ar/gira/projects/physical-etoys/ This new version includes: * Full support for the DuinoBot kit (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1689254125/multiplo-create-your-own-robot). * New objects such as the Timer and the IR receiver. * More example projects to help you get started. * And of course, lots of bug fixes and minor UI enhancements. All in all, this version is much better than the previous and we hope you would enjoy it as much as we do :). Thanks! Richo
Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)
cool work! On 2013-04-06, at 08:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Clement built in a couple of hours the following nice branch analysecoverage tools :) It is dead slow but cool. With the AST navigation Gisela just started to work on we will have a really cool system. Stef image.png
[Pharo-project] One SlideShare, One Youtube channel for Pharo?
Hi guys I would love to have one - slideshare for pharo presentations reachable from the web site. http://www.slideshare.net/search/slideshow?searchfrom=headerq=pharo - videos conference/presentation on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+stoq=pharo+stgs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39j0i10l9.10476.10844.0.12212.3.3.0.0.0.0.294.431.2j0j1.3.0...0.0...1ac.1.tZ4dv4ReBZc - lectures http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo is wonderful :) http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_tools http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo_net http://www.pharocasts.com What do you think? Does anybody want to take the lead for that?
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
Hi guys we should learn a bit from this burst of rage and emails :). First I think that we should limit the discussions on the bug tracker because I do not see how we can manage a thread of discussion on the bug tracker and the list is for discussion. I know what is it to have a look at long bug entry discussions and this is also tedious. So we should find a middle way. Second of course once we agree on something it should be moved to the bugtracker and in slice to follow our process. Third ben I agree that looking for mails and threads is boring now this is why we should have - discussion in the list and code to illustrate the points - consensus on the solution - move to the bugtracker for technical fine tuning and fix proposal. Fourth I still think that emails are poor ways to manage human communication so we should pay attention and try to remove our hands from the keyboard when we are getting mad. Believe I quite good at that even when I'm getting older :) Sixth there is a nice italian proverb that say: Do not shit where you eat. I think that it is wise and avoid kiddish behavior like this is not me but him. So think positively. I think that we are steadily improving and we should continue now we should communicate more. Seventh if I take your energy as your engagement for pharo as a measure then this is great and Pharo will move forward :). Stef In that case an issue tracker entry makes not much sense, we first need to discuss what to do.
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOf
On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:58 AM, roberto.mine...@usi.ch wrote: Hi, I build the ConfigurationOf for my current project and it works fine, but I have some doubts. My project has dependencies on two other projects, namely Spy and Fuel. In my ConfigurationOf I'm loading these two projects before fetching my code. The point is that, for example, I'm loading Fuel even if it is already loaded in the current image and the same for Spy. Could you help me in creating a ConfigurationOf which only loads those projects if not already in the image and eventually only updates them to the last version? this is the default behavior of metacello so I do not understand what you mean. Did you read the metacello chapter I wrote? Thanks in advance, R P.s. Here (http://ws.stfx.eu/QOMGC86FZTG) is my current baseline for the ConfigurationOf.
Re: [Pharo-project] One SlideShare, One Youtube channel for Pharo?
It will be cool to use some service, that allows 'groups'. For example on vimeo you can create a Pharo group and then include there videos of the users. This way you do not have to re-uppload content that is already there, and people get their credit. uko On 6 квіт. 2013, at 09:48, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi guys I would love to have one - slideshare for pharo presentations reachable from the web site. http://www.slideshare.net/search/slideshow?searchfrom=headerq=pharo - videos conference/presentation on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+stoq=pharo+stgs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39j0i10l9.10476.10844.0.12212.3.3.0.0.0.0.294.431.2j0j1.3.0...0.0...1ac.1.tZ4dv4ReBZc - lectures http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo is wonderful :) http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_tools http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo_net http://www.pharocasts.com What do you think? Does anybody want to take the lead for that?
Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Pharo Association reaches 50 Members
Great We got a list of improvements on the pipe for the association web site and we should start to think about actions. Stef On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: Hi, The Pharo Association has reached 52 Members! The Pharo User Association is a way for individuals to support the ongoing development and maintenance of the Pharo language and environment. It complements the Pharo Consortium which is a consortium of companies supporting Pharo. Together the association and the consortium invest in the future of Pharo. Information about how to join the Pharo Association and Consortium can be found on the website. http://association.pharo.org http://consortium.pharo.org Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
what do you mean? because I get fog mails. Stef On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Can we please convert this to work with fogbugz asap? I'm finding it difficult to track our progress without it... we've been spoiled ;) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Resuming-Issue-Tracker-Mailing-List-tp4679712.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] One SlideShare, One Youtube channel for Pharo?
+1 And I like Vimeo more :) On 06.04.2013, at 10:28, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: It will be cool to use some service, that allows 'groups'. For example on vimeo you can create a Pharo group and then include there videos of the users. This way you do not have to re-uppload content that is already there, and people get their credit. uko On 6 квіт. 2013, at 09:48, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi guys I would love to have one - slideshare for pharo presentations reachable from the web site. http://www.slideshare.net/search/slideshow?searchfrom=headerq=pharo - videos conference/presentation on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+stoq=pharo+stgs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39j0i10l9.10476.10844.0.12212.3.3.0.0.0.0.294.431.2j0j1.3.0...0.0...1ac.1.tZ4dv4ReBZc - lectures http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo is wonderful :) http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_tools http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo_net http://www.pharocasts.com What do you think? Does anybody want to take the lead for that?
Re: [Pharo-project] One SlideShare, One Youtube channel for Pharo?
The only problem is with the quota for free users On 6 квіт. 2013, at 10:33, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: +1 And I like Vimeo more :) On 06.04.2013, at 10:28, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: It will be cool to use some service, that allows 'groups'. For example on vimeo you can create a Pharo group and then include there videos of the users. This way you do not have to re-uppload content that is already there, and people get their credit. uko On 6 квіт. 2013, at 09:48, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi guys I would love to have one - slideshare for pharo presentations reachable from the web site. http://www.slideshare.net/search/slideshow?searchfrom=headerq=pharo - videos conference/presentation on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+stoq=pharo+stgs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39j0i10l9.10476.10844.0.12212.3.3.0.0.0.0.294.431.2j0j1.3.0...0.0...1ac.1.tZ4dv4ReBZc - lectures http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo is wonderful :) http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_tools http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo_net http://www.pharocasts.com What do you think? Does anybody want to take the lead for that?
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:30 AM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: what do you mean? because I get fog mails. The old list got a mail for every change done on the tracker… We can do that again: we can subscribe it to all the projects. But it might be a bit too much. People can easily subscribe just themselfs: - My Settings - Subscribe - Select ALL PROJECTS when creating the subscription Stef On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Can we please convert this to work with fogbugz asap? I'm finding it difficult to track our progress without it... we've been spoiled ;) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Resuming-Issue-Tracker-Mailing-List-tp4679712.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-project] [Issue Tracker] Fogbugz down April 7th, 2013 from 0200 to 0700 UTC
On Demand services offline this weekend Our On Demand services will be offline this weekend, April 7th, 2013 from 0200 to 0700 UTC (April 6th, 2200 - April 7th 0300 EDT) for a scheduled maintenance. For more information, please read our status blog at fogcreekstatus.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] One SlideShare, One Youtube channel for Pharo?
Ok so we wait that other people reply and we do an organised action. Stef On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: +1 And I like Vimeo more :) On 06.04.2013, at 10:28, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: It will be cool to use some service, that allows 'groups'. For example on vimeo you can create a Pharo group and then include there videos of the users. This way you do not have to re-uppload content that is already there, and people get their credit. uko On 6 квіт. 2013, at 09:48, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi guys I would love to have one - slideshare for pharo presentations reachable from the web site. http://www.slideshare.net/search/slideshow?searchfrom=headerq=pharo - videos conference/presentation on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+stoq=pharo+stgs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39j0i10l9.10476.10844.0.12212.3.3.0.0.0.0.294.431.2j0j1.3.0...0.0...1ac.1.tZ4dv4ReBZc - lectures http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo is wonderful :) http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_tools http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?content=st4u_pharo_net http://www.pharocasts.com What do you think? Does anybody want to take the lead for that?
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
On 2013-04-06, at 10:36, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:30 AM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: what do you mean? because I get fog mails. The old list got a mail for every change done on the tracker… We can do that again: we can subscribe it to all the projects. But it might be a bit too much. People can easily subscribe just themselfs: - My Settings - Subscribe - Select ALL PROJECTS when creating the subscription Most of it is documented on the wiki, here: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W46
Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)
On 6 April 2013 07:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Clement built in a couple of hours the following nice branch analysecoverage tools :) It is dead slow but cool. By branch coverage tool do you mean Jejak? frank
Re: [Pharo-project] How to define a ConfigurationOf with a #development version that depends on a baseline?
In all the discussions about how to manage/organize Smalltalk code - I would like to add, that ENVY (though it's so old) with its config maps, applications, prerequisites is a pretty good example how it works. Take a look at the only available ENVY implementation today (VAST) and think about the way they did it in the eighties ... The ENVY-(concept - not the implementation) is still a master peace in this area - even when compared with VS or Eclipse - and it supports the power of Smalltalk very much. There are questionable parts of ENVY and I do not use these parts of it very often. But even these questionable parts of ENVY have not been better solved by other Smalltalk source code management systems. I've repositories, which are around 10 years old - and ALL code is still there, all versions for all different platforms - down to methods differences within a mouse click and the speed within a LAN is so good. Marten On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Alexandre Bergelalexandre.ber...@me.com wrote: Just a question: Is there any plan for a Metacello 2? attachment: marten.vcf
Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)
Actually, it is quite different than Jejak. Implementation wise, Jejak used Opal so I guess it relies on bytecode modification to do its analysis where my tool relies on ast annotations. This implies some difference in features. It seems that Jejak record all calls, all values and all assignments in a method (which is byte code level feature), whereas I record for each ast node if it was interpreted or not (which is ast level feature). I guess there would be a little difference in the use cases. 2013/4/6 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com On 6 April 2013 07:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Clement built in a couple of hours the following nice branch analysecoverage tools :) It is dead slow but cool. By branch coverage tool do you mean Jejak? frank -- Clément Béra Mate Virtual Machine Engineer Bâtiment B 40, avenue Halley 59650 *Villeneuve d'Ascq*
Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOf
On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:26 AM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:58 AM, roberto.mine...@usi.ch wrote: Hi, I build the ConfigurationOf for my current project and it works fine, but I have some doubts. My project has dependencies on two other projects, namely Spy and Fuel. In my ConfigurationOf I'm loading these two projects before fetching my code. The point is that, for example, I'm loading Fuel even if it is already loaded in the current image and the same for Spy. Could you help me in creating a ConfigurationOf which only loads those projects if not already in the image and eventually only updates them to the last version? this is the default behavior of metacello so I do not understand what you mean. Good to know! Thanks. Did you read the metacello chapter I wrote? Thanks in advance, R P.s. Here (http://ws.stfx.eu/QOMGC86FZTG) is my current baseline for the ConfigurationOf.
Re: [Pharo-project] Collect all references to AnObsoleteFoo
Martin, your solution is awesome. I've seen the presentation at Pharoconf about setting an analyzer to the serializer and I was thinking in that direction. Thanks a lot, R On Apr 5, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Martin Dias tinchod...@gmail.com wrote: As Fernando said, probably is better for you to substitute the obsolete class by a ring definition. Look here: http://ws.stfx.eu/OAVG8IXKWOYA Don't need to filein the workaround of my previous email. Martin On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Martin Dias tinchod...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm sorry for my delay. I didn't stop to think a good solution. There were interesting answers before mine. But if it's a prototype... maybe this workaround helps you. I played with this code: http://ws.stfx.eu/HYWM1ZB9R45K (the first time I use the shared workspace :-) if you file in the attached file, it materializes the new A class. But this will be not useful for you, if either: - you don't have the original class at materialization time - you don't want to know if the class was obsolete at serialization time HTH Martin On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: On 02/04/13 12:50 AM, roberto.minelli-bhdirlqp...@public.gmane.org wrote: Is there any way to browse through such references to understand where are they? From an inspector, choose the Explore pointers, making sure you've selected the object that you're trying to understand what is referencing it. It takes trial error, and intuition on which pointers to follow. This method has often been unsuccessful for me. Another approach (my memory is fuzzy), was to put a halt at a suitable place during the Fuel serialization. Then explore the intermediate structures used by Fuel, to try to find out why Fuel thinks it needs to serialize that object. Yet another approach is to put a halt in the Fuel materialization, and explore the intermediate structures used by Fuel. You might even set up a mapping of the obsolete class to some temporary class, which allows Fuel to fully materialize the saved objects. You can then explore the Fuel intermediate structures, as well as the final de-serialized object structure.
Re: [Pharo-project] Collect all references to AnObsoleteFoo
Martin, should be manage obsolete always that way (meaning to put such behavior directly inside Fuel)? If not, could be write your awesome code in the Fuel website? Thanks!!! :) On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 8:26 AM, roberto.mine...@usi.ch roberto.mine...@usi.ch wrote: Martin, your solution is awesome. I've seen the presentation at Pharoconf about setting an analyzer to the serializer and I was thinking in that direction. Thanks a lot, R On Apr 5, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Martin Dias tinchod...@gmail.com wrote: As Fernando said, probably is better for you to substitute the obsolete class by a ring definition. Look here: http://ws.stfx.eu/OAVG8IXKWOYA Don't need to filein the workaround of my previous email. Martin On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Martin Dias tinchod...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm sorry for my delay. I didn't stop to think a good solution. There were interesting answers before mine. But if it's a prototype... maybe this workaround helps you. I played with this code: http://ws.stfx.eu/HYWM1ZB9R45K (the first time I use the shared workspace :-) if you file in the attached file, it materializes the new A class. But this will be not useful for you, if either: - you don't have the original class at materialization time - you don't want to know if the class was obsolete at serialization time HTH Martin On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: On 02/04/13 12:50 AM, roberto.minelli-BHDiRLqP7qo@public.gmane.orgwrote: Is there any way to browse through such references to understand where are they? From an inspector, choose the Explore pointers, making sure you've selected the object that you're trying to understand what is referencing it. It takes trial error, and intuition on which pointers to follow. This method has often been unsuccessful for me. Another approach (my memory is fuzzy), was to put a halt at a suitable place during the Fuel serialization. Then explore the intermediate structures used by Fuel, to try to find out why Fuel thinks it needs to serialize that object. Yet another approach is to put a halt in the Fuel materialization, and explore the intermediate structures used by Fuel. You might even set up a mapping of the obsolete class to some temporary class, which allows Fuel to fully materialize the saved objects. You can then explore the Fuel intermediate structures, as well as the final de-serialized object structure. -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)
So if you don't mind me being very loose with terminology, you interpret (RB) ASTs, and the act of interpreting marks the nodes in these ASTs, which you can then use to colour source? frank On 6 April 2013 11:00, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it is quite different than Jejak. Implementation wise, Jejak used Opal so I guess it relies on bytecode modification to do its analysis where my tool relies on ast annotations. This implies some difference in features. It seems that Jejak record all calls, all values and all assignments in a method (which is byte code level feature), whereas I record for each ast node if it was interpreted or not (which is ast level feature). I guess there would be a little difference in the use cases. 2013/4/6 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com On 6 April 2013 07:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Clement built in a couple of hours the following nice branch analysecoverage tools :) It is dead slow but cool. By branch coverage tool do you mean Jejak? frank -- Clément Béra Mate Virtual Machine Engineer Bâtiment B 40, avenue Halley 59650 Villeneuve d'Ascq
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
Marcus Denker-4 wrote The old list got a mail for every change done on the tracker… We can do that again: we can subscribe it to all the projects. But it might be a bit too much. Well since it's a special mailing list dedicated solely to the issue tracker, why would it be too much? For me, I found it very useful to track progress in a far less intrusive way then having every update come to my inbox. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Resuming-Issue-Tracker-Mailing-List-tp4679712p4679960.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
Johan Brichau-2 wrote fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion Maybe people should give this a try and see? Sounds cool. I will start using it and report back. Thanks! - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp4679488p4679961.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)
This is exactly that. The tree coverage tool is a subclass of AST-interpreter, which adding to the interpretation marks the nodes. And then I use this marking to color the source code. And I use as you said RB ast. This is why I implemented it in a few hours, I had already an AST-interpreter, so I've just created a quick subclass and a spec UI. 2013/4/6 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com So if you don't mind me being very loose with terminology, you interpret (RB) ASTs, and the act of interpreting marks the nodes in these ASTs, which you can then use to colour source? frank On 6 April 2013 11:00, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it is quite different than Jejak. Implementation wise, Jejak used Opal so I guess it relies on bytecode modification to do its analysis where my tool relies on ast annotations. This implies some difference in features. It seems that Jejak record all calls, all values and all assignments in a method (which is byte code level feature), whereas I record for each ast node if it was interpreted or not (which is ast level feature). I guess there would be a little difference in the use cases. 2013/4/6 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com On 6 April 2013 07:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Clement built in a couple of hours the following nice branch analysecoverage tools :) It is dead slow but cool. By branch coverage tool do you mean Jejak? frank -- Clément Béra Mate Virtual Machine Engineer Bâtiment B 40, avenue Halley 59650 Villeneuve d'Ascq -- Clément Béra Mate Virtual Machine Engineer Bâtiment B 40, avenue Halley 59650 *Villeneuve d'Ascq*
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
On Apr 6, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Marcus Denker-4 wrote The old list got a mail for every change done on the tracker… We can do that again: we can subscribe it to all the projects. But it might be a bit too much. Well since it's a special mailing list dedicated solely to the issue tracker, why would it be too much? For me, I found it very useful to track progress in a far less intrusive way then having every update come to my inbox. It's no problem to enable it… I will do it. (People then can decide if they read the ML or if the configure FugBugz to send them a subset). Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
Hi, To be honest, I don't think a separate mailing list has much sense. I would prefer to redirect mails to this list (this is a pharo-dev list, after all... ). With the filtering/labeling tools that every mail/webmail client has nowadays, it should be easy to the people who do not want to receive them to filter out or to put them in a separate place. my 2c Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 6, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Marcus Denker-4 wrote The old list got a mail for every change done on the tracker… We can do that again: we can subscribe it to all the projects. But it might be a bit too much. Well since it's a special mailing list dedicated solely to the issue tracker, why would it be too much? For me, I found it very useful to track progress in a far less intrusive way then having every update come to my inbox. It's no problem to enable it… I will do it. (People then can decide if they read the ML or if the configure FugBugz to send them a subset). Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
On 6 April 2013 08:22, Johan Brichau jo...@inceptive.be wrote: fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable enter for selection. Maybe people should give this a try and see? your change seems even better than mine. I just changed it in a way that tab = enter in terms of completion. (so you can use either tab or enter to do the same thing). cheers Johan On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: +1 Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: +1 Doru On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: theres a setting to: - disable ENTER to accept the completion - to increase the popup delay so I think that is invalid bug report then... i tend to disagree. The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion is breaking my workflow badly too. Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. We have to fix that. On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: From https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness : The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: 1. Type printOn: aStream... pretty common method start 2. Hit enter to go to the next line You will now have printOn: MCDataStream WTF!! I get burned by this pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before smart-ifying it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. cheers -ben -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, To be honest, I don't think a separate mailing list has much sense. I would prefer to redirect mails to this list (this is a pharo-dev list, after all... ). Sorry, the bug racker sends a mail for every trivial change (re-categorization, whatever). We will drown in mail, it makes no sense. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
well, but since I cannot imagine any of this list not subscribing to the other one, I do not see the difference, other than eliminate bureaucracy :) Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, To be honest, I don't think a separate mailing list has much sense. I would prefer to redirect mails to this list (this is a pharo-dev list, after all... ). Sorry, the bug racker sends a mail for every trivial change (re-categorization, whatever). We will drown in mail, it makes no sense. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
but yes... even for this list or the other, it would be could be able to decide which kind of issue updates we want to be notified :S On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: well, but since I cannot imagine any of this list not subscribing to the other one, I do not see the difference, other than eliminate bureaucracy :) Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, To be honest, I don't think a separate mailing list has much sense. I would prefer to redirect mails to this list (this is a pharo-dev list, after all... ). Sorry, the bug racker sends a mail for every trivial change (re-categorization, whatever). We will drown in mail, it makes no sense. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: well, but since I cannot imagine any of this list not subscribing to the other one, I do not see the difference, other than eliminate bureaucracy :) I am considering not to. I think not many people will subscribe. It's just too much. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: well, but since I cannot imagine any of this list not subscribing to the other one, I do not see the difference, other than eliminate bureaucracy :) I am considering not to. I think not many people will subscribe. It's just too much. And if I remember correctly: didn't we do exactly that some years ago and decided to stop? And that was with the old tracker, the new will generate at least 5 times the amount of mail, maybe more. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
oh well... then, if it is just noise, looks like everything will be lost in the stack of useless mails instead what it should be: to promote the discussion of issues. then I vote to not activate anything that will not work anyway :) Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: well, but since I cannot imagine any of this list not subscribing to the other one, I do not see the difference, other than eliminate bureaucracy :) I am considering not to. I think not many people will subscribe. It's just too much. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
Since any one can subscribe precisely to want they want, for me it's useless to have a spamming mailing list :) (and one thing less to manage ^^) Ben On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: well, but since I cannot imagine any of this list not subscribing to the other one, I do not see the difference, other than eliminate bureaucracy :) I am considering not to. I think not many people will subscribe. It's just too much. And if I remember correctly: didn't we do exactly that some years ago and decided to stop? And that was with the old tracker, the new will generate at least 5 times the amount of mail, maybe more. Marcus
[Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2
I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings (will be available in about an hour) Cheers, Max
Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2
that's cool :) I just playing with the libgit2 bindings from Stefan :) Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings (will be available in about an hour) Cheers, Max
Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2
mmm... to fast Page not found :( Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: that's cool :) I just playing with the libgit2 bindings from Stefan :) Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings (will be available in about an hour) Cheers, Max
Re: [Pharo-project] How to define a ConfigurationOf with a #development version that depends on a baseline?
martin we worked with envy during 8 years for the moose dev on VW and I have the book of joseph. Now what is the process? during dev everybody load bleeding edge of the current maps? when frozen exact ersion are loaded? Stef In all the discussions about how to manage/organize Smalltalk code - I would like to add, that ENVY (though it's so old) with its config maps, applications, prerequisites is a pretty good example how it works. Take a look at the only available ENVY implementation today (VAST) and think about the way they did it in the eighties ... The ENVY-(concept - not the implementation) is still a master peace in this area - even when compared with VS or Eclipse - and it supports the power of Smalltalk very much. There are questionable parts of ENVY and I do not use these parts of it very often. But even these questionable parts of ENVY have not been better solved by other Smalltalk source code management systems. I've repositories, which are around 10 years old - and ALL code is still there, all versions for all different platforms - down to methods differences within a mouse click and the speed within a LAN is so good. Marten On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Alexandre Bergelalexandre.ber...@me.com wrote: Just a question: Is there any plan for a Metacello 2? marten.vcf
Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2
Now it's ready :) On 06.04.2013, at 19:42, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: mmm... to fast Page not found :( Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: that's cool :) I just playing with the libgit2 bindings from Stefan :) Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings (will be available in about an hour) Cheers, Max
Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2
Hi: On 06 Apr 2013, at 19:30, Max Leske wrote: I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings I skimmed through it. Looks good. But, I noticed that the video actually stops before generating the bindings :) That makes it feel like there is something missing. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote Since any one can subscribe precisely to want they want, for me it's useless to have a spamming mailing list :) It's very useful to me because I turn off all mail delivery for the issue tracker list and view it through nabble. This way, my inbox is not flooded, and I can browse through and see exactly what interests me and click through those. The list is already set up, it's simple to turn on, and I've illustrated a use case. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Resuming-Issue-Tracker-Mailing-List-tp4679712p4679990.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-project] OCompletion paper
Does anyone have a copy? http://www.inf.usi.ch/phd/robbes/papers/ASE2008-completion.pdf gives a 403... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OCompletion-paper-tp4679991.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
I would love to get the source code modification (diff) on update so that I can read the code without cliking to all the links in the update mail. Now that we use smalltalkhub we should be able to do it. Stef On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Can we please convert this to work with fogbugz asap? I'm finding it difficult to track our progress without it... we've been spoiled ;) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Resuming-Issue-Tracker-Mailing-List-tp4679712.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
Hi guys would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use? So that I can try and understand the one that can work with me. Thanks
Re: [Pharo-project] OCompletion paper
http://users.dcc.uchile.cl/~rrobbes/p/JASE-completion.pdf Doru On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Does anyone have a copy? http://www.inf.usi.ch/phd/robbes/papers/ASE2008-completion.pdf gives a 403... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OCompletion-paper-tp4679991.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- www.tudorgirba.com Live like you mean it.
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
Hi Johan, Thanks for acting to get everyone out of the deadlock situation :). I will give it a try as well and let you know. Cheers, Doru On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Johan Brichau jo...@inceptive.be wrote: fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable enter for selection. Maybe people should give this a try and see? cheers Johan NECController-Changes.cs On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: +1 Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: +1 Doru On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: theres a setting to: - disable ENTER to accept the completion - to increase the popup delay so I think that is invalid bug report then... i tend to disagree. The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion is breaking my workflow badly too. Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. We have to fix that. On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: From https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness : The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: 1. Type printOn: aStream... pretty common method start 2. Hit enter to go to the next line You will now have printOn: MCDataStream WTF!! I get burned by this pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before smart-ifying it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. cheers -ben -- www.tudorgirba.com To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen.
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
Sean P. DeNigris wrote Johan Brichau-2 wrote fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: - accept both enter and tab for code completion - still use tab to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent tab will select the suggestion Maybe people should give this a try and see? Sounds cool. I will start using it and report back. Thanks! I like it :) I can still disable enter-to-accept, and the tab twice for full completion thing is great. After cranking up Xcode and navigating around, one thing I noticed was that the C file I was looking at ended every line with a non-alphanumeric character (e.g. $, $; $)), so enter would never accidentally complete anything when what one meant to do was get a cr. As mentioned above, this is not the case for st and I think disabling enter-to-accept makes more sense as the default. I'd rather have new users asking and us explaining that it can be turned on, than have them annoyed by e.g. typing String cr and ending up with StringApiSetter, which I found very jarring. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp4679488p4679996.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
stephane ducasse wrote
would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use?
NECPreferences
enabled: true;
caseSensitive: true;
expandPrefixes: true;
useEnterToAccept: false;
smartCharacters: true;
smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}';
spaceAfterCompletion: false;
popupAutomaticDelay: 100.
-
Cheers,
Sean
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[Pharo-project] Global Apology
Dear Pharo mailinglist, I would like to apologize for the rather unfriendly and loud mail I sent in response to a bugfix proposal by Igor on the mailing list. Luckily I listened to Esteban to prevent further damage. However my intervention was rude and inappropriate. You experienced an unnecessary presentation of an internal discussion that is not solved yet. Discussing and presenting it in public is counter productive and insulting. I wish to get my ongoing disagreement with Igor settled the following week to get us back into a productive and friendly environment. camillo bruni
Re: [Pharo-project] Global Apology
Thanks camillo Your email is great! And I found mysefl in similar situation so I can tell you that tu en sors grandi :) I would like to apologize for the rather unfriendly and loud mail I sent in response to a bugfix proposal by Igor on the mailing list. Luckily I listened to Esteban to prevent further damage. However my intervention was rude and inappropriate. You experienced an unnecessary presentation of an internal discussion that is not solved yet. Discussing and presenting it in public is counter productive and insulting. I wish to get my ongoing disagreement with Igor settled the following week to get us back into a productive and friendly environment. I'm sure you will but you have to discuss and communicate you two :) I'm convinced you have great things to achieve and I understand your frustration :) Just close the door and discuss :) camillo bruni
Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2
On 06.04.2013, at 20:21, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote: Hi: On 06 Apr 2013, at 19:30, Max Leske wrote: I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings I skimmed through it. Looks good. But, I noticed that the video actually stops before generating the bindings :) That makes it feel like there is something missing. Damn! Got me :) I realized that straight after I had hit stop. Still, for me the hard part was the compilation and setup. I figured out the bindings pritty quickly. Maybe I'll add short bit at the end tomorrow. Max Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525
Re: [Pharo-project] Global Apology
Camillo Bruni-3 wrote I would like to apologize for the rather unfriendly and loud mail I sent in response to a bugfix proposal by Igor on the mailing list. I believe in acting decisively and error correcting quickly. Thank you for both the passion you bring and for getting us back on track :) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Global-Apology-tp468p4680011.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2
Hi Max,
your video is good, too bad that it stops prematurely.
It helped me to spot a tiny issue with the libgit2 generation script. The C
compile options ( '-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS' '-D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS') that
are present there are just a copy paste error, since when created that
method I've modified the one I've used for generating llvm bindings (which
really needs them).
For libgit2 i don't now, I think they aren't needed. I've just tried on my
machine with options := {('-I' , includeDir fullName)}.
and it seems to work
Now libclang is the reason that in some cases we need such options. Since
we use libclang to parse the header files we should make sure that we pass
it everything it needs to successfully process the header.
So if anyone has a hard time generating bindings with talkffi for a library
X, then a starting point might be to try understanding what are the options
needed by clang to compile the headers.
In the future I plan to add some kind of script editor for writing the
bindings, which will show the messages from libclang. so that in case of
compilation error (due to missing options, or c syntax errors) we can see
them in the image.
About generating the bindings directly on a mac, I've done it using a hand
compiled version of libclang configured with (../configure
--enable-optimized --enable-jit --target=i686-apple-darwin10). So if you
are willing to download libclang and compile it, maybe you don't need a
linux vm.
Ok, that's it for now. Thanks again for the great video
Ciprian
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06.04.2013, at 20:21, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote:
Hi:
On 06 Apr 2013, at 19:30, Max Leske wrote:
I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for
libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI.
http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings
I skimmed through it. Looks good.
But, I noticed that the video actually stops before generating the
bindings :)
That makes it feel like there is something missing.
Damn! Got me :) I realized that straight after I had hit stop.
Still, for me the hard part was the compilation and setup. I figured out
the bindings pritty quickly.
Maybe I'll add short bit at the end tomorrow.
Max
Best regards
Stefan
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Software Languages Lab
Vrije Universiteit Brussel
Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium
http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr
Phone: +32 2 629 2974
Fax: +32 2 629 3525
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Ingénieur Développement CAO
tél : 06 08 54 73 48
mail : ciprian.teodo...@gmail.com
www.teodorov.ro
Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2
On 06.04.2013, at 23:09, Ciprian Teodorov ciprian.teodo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Max,
your video is good, too bad that it stops prematurely.
It helped me to spot a tiny issue with the libgit2 generation script. The C
compile options ( '-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS' '-D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS') that
are present there are just a copy paste error, since when created that method
I've modified the one I've used for generating llvm bindings (which really
needs them).
For libgit2 i don't now, I think they aren't needed. I've just tried on my
machine with options := {('-I' , includeDir fullName)}.
and it seems to work
I also think they're not necessary.
Now libclang is the reason that in some cases we need such options. Since we
use libclang to parse the header files we should make sure that we pass it
everything it needs to successfully process the header.
So if anyone has a hard time generating bindings with talkffi for a library
X, then a starting point might be to try understanding what are the options
needed by clang to compile the headers.
In the future I plan to add some kind of script editor for writing the
bindings, which will show the messages from libclang. so that in case of
compilation error (due to missing options, or c syntax errors) we can see
them in the image.
About generating the bindings directly on a mac, I've done it using a hand
compiled version of libclang configured with (../configure --enable-optimized
--enable-jit --target=i686-apple-darwin10). So if you are willing to download
libclang and compile it, maybe you don't need a linux vm.
Thanks for the explanations.
Ok, that's it for now. Thanks again for the great video
My pleasure :)
Ciprian
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06.04.2013, at 20:21, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote:
Hi:
On 06 Apr 2013, at 19:30, Max Leske wrote:
I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for
libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using
TalkFFI.
http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings
I skimmed through it. Looks good.
But, I noticed that the video actually stops before generating the bindings
:)
That makes it feel like there is something missing.
Damn! Got me :) I realized that straight after I had hit stop.
Still, for me the hard part was the compilation and setup. I figured out the
bindings pritty quickly.
Maybe I'll add short bit at the end tomorrow.
Max
Best regards
Stefan
--
Stefan Marr
Software Languages Lab
Vrije Universiteit Brussel
Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium
http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr
Phone: +32 2 629 2974
Fax: +32 2 629 3525
--
Dr. Ciprian TEODOROV
Ingénieur Développement CAO
tél : 06 08 54 73 48
mail : ciprian.teodo...@gmail.com
www.teodorov.ro
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
If everybody likes it, maybe we should consider putting this configuration as
default, no ?
Ben
On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
stephane ducasse wrote
would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use?
NECPreferences
enabled: true;
caseSensitive: true;
expandPrefixes: true;
useEnterToAccept: false;
smartCharacters: true;
smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}';
spaceAfterCompletion: false;
popupAutomaticDelay: 100.
-
Cheers,
Sean
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[Pharo-project] UPDATE NOTICE: new zeroconf scripts
Last tuesday I presented the new zeroconf scripts for Pharo at the pharoconf in Bern. From now on please use the new scripts located at http://get.pharo.org. --- Example: The scripts work the same way as before: Load the stable Pharo version with a VM: wget -qO - get.pharo.org | bash Load Pharo 3.0 with a VM: wget -qO - get.pharo.org/30+vm | bash Load only a Pharo 3.0 image: wget -qO - get.pharo.org/30| bash If you do not have wget installed you can use `curl -L` instead of `wget -qO -`. = All the jobs at http://ci.inria.fr/rmod already use the new scripts Details: There is a plethora of configurations available. The URL for each script can be easily build from an image version and a vm: get.pharo.org/$IMAGE +$VM Of course one can just download an image as well get.pharo.org/$IMAGE or just the VM get.pharo.org/$VM Possible values for $IMAGE are: 12 13 14 20 30 stable alpha Possible values for $VM are: vm vmS vmLatest vmSLatest vmS and vmSLatest are not yet supported, but they will point to the PharoS aka StackVM in the future. Help: = I will update the zeroconf chapter tomorrow, otherwise you can simply open the url of the config script in the browser to get a help message that explains you how to use the script and what it downloads. Migration: == - Replace http://get.pharo.org/ci*.sh with the proper get.pharo.org/$IMAGE+$VM url - Replace ./vm.sh with ./pharo - Replace ./vm-ui.sh with ./pharo-ui Deprecation: I will manually mark the existing scripts as deprecated by tomorrow and leave them there for a week. If anybody needs some more time I can arrange that of course ;). If not all the old scripts will be gone next week! --- This will most probably be the final stage of the zeroconf scripts as I don't see much space for improvements anymore ;). Everything is documented, commented and most importantly, managed from within Pharo! And proper tests for the scripts are on the way as well ;) Any questions? Any suggestions?
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
What is the difference between NECController and NOCController ?
In my image the latter seems to be the default, Sean is using the former. Why ?
On 06 Apr 2013, at 20:59, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
stephane ducasse wrote
would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use?
NECPreferences
enabled: true;
caseSensitive: true;
expandPrefixes: true;
useEnterToAccept: false;
smartCharacters: true;
smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}';
spaceAfterCompletion: false;
popupAutomaticDelay: 100.
-
Cheers,
Sean
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Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
One is proposing all the symbols (without package names, timestamp and few
others) alphabetically sorted, the other one is learning , so the order is
depending on your last accepts.
But I do not remember the names :S
Ben
On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:49 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
What is the difference between NECController and NOCController ?
In my image the latter seems to be the default, Sean is using the former. Why
?
On 06 Apr 2013, at 20:59, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
stephane ducasse wrote
would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use?
NECPreferences
enabled: true;
caseSensitive: true;
expandPrefixes: true;
useEnterToAccept: false;
smartCharacters: true;
smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}';
spaceAfterCompletion: false;
popupAutomaticDelay: 100.
-
Cheers,
Sean
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Re: [Pharo-project] Global Apology
No problem. Alexandre On Apr 6, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Pharo mailinglist, I would like to apologize for the rather unfriendly and loud mail I sent in response to a bugfix proposal by Igor on the mailing list. Luckily I listened to Esteban to prevent further damage. However my intervention was rude and inappropriate. You experienced an unnecessary presentation of an internal discussion that is not solved yet. Discussing and presenting it in public is counter productive and insulting. I wish to get my ongoing disagreement with Igor settled the following week to get us back into a productive and friendly environment. camillo bruni -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-project] How to define a ConfigurationOf with a #development version that depends on a baseline?
Hi Marten, Frankly speaking, I find Envy way too complicated. I am using it these days and I am really not happy with. If I have to read a book to understand how it works, than there is no way I can teach students on how to use it in a reasonable amount of time. Configuration Map, Application, edition, scratch version and many more are way too many concepts, in my opinion. Alexandre On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Marten Feldtmann mar...@schrievkrom.de wrote: In all the discussions about how to manage/organize Smalltalk code - I would like to add, that ENVY (though it's so old) with its config maps, applications, prerequisites is a pretty good example how it works. Take a look at the only available ENVY implementation today (VAST) and think about the way they did it in the eighties ... The ENVY-(concept - not the implementation) is still a master peace in this area - even when compared with VS or Eclipse - and it supports the power of Smalltalk very much. There are questionable parts of ENVY and I do not use these parts of it very often. But even these questionable parts of ENVY have not been better solved by other Smalltalk source code management systems. I've repositories, which are around 10 years old - and ALL code is still there, all versions for all different platforms - down to methods differences within a mouse click and the speed within a LAN is so good. Marten On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Alexandre Bergelalexandre.ber...@me.com wrote: Just a question: Is there any plan for a Metacello 2? marten.vcf -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-project] How to define a ConfigurationOf with a #development version that depends on a baseline?
Just a question: Is there any plan for a Metacello 2? We have learnt a lot and we have a clear idea on a number of versioning scenarios. What do we want the future of packaging in Pharo to look like? can you describe your scenario because we want versionner++ to support some keys scenarios and not all of them. Christophe is working on TravisCI so that dale can work with Pharo2.0 The minimum I need to live is creating a new version by saving all the Monticello packages. It should be easy to add new dependencies. This is what I somehow have with Versionner (except for the dependencies). I know this will probably not be enough to manage Pharo or Moose, but this will be more than enough for many of us I guess. A nice feature would be to have not-predefined tags on a version (e.g., #myStableVersion #deployedVersion). Things like groups, common platform, dependencies between baselines... I am not really convinced they help me. Maybe this is too complex for me to really understand them. I know there are some documentation. But I cannot afford to read a .pdf each time I need to define a new baseline or add a dependency. I just want to press a commit button, as it is done in most versioning systems. The versioning model should also be simple in such a way I can run some analyzes on it (e.g., did I forget to specify a dependency? Do I have cycles in my dependencies?). Alexandre On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.com wrote: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15762706/how-to-define-a-configurationof-with-a-development-version-that-depends-on-a-ba -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)
Would it be possible to annotate the method with some checkpoints within the method? This should be fast enough I guess. Alexandre On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com wrote: This is exactly that. The tree coverage tool is a subclass of AST-interpreter, which adding to the interpretation marks the nodes. And then I use this marking to color the source code. And I use as you said RB ast. This is why I implemented it in a few hours, I had already an AST-interpreter, so I've just created a quick subclass and a spec UI. 2013/4/6 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com So if you don't mind me being very loose with terminology, you interpret (RB) ASTs, and the act of interpreting marks the nodes in these ASTs, which you can then use to colour source? frank On 6 April 2013 11:00, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it is quite different than Jejak. Implementation wise, Jejak used Opal so I guess it relies on bytecode modification to do its analysis where my tool relies on ast annotations. This implies some difference in features. It seems that Jejak record all calls, all values and all assignments in a method (which is byte code level feature), whereas I record for each ast node if it was interpreted or not (which is ast level feature). I guess there would be a little difference in the use cases. 2013/4/6 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com On 6 April 2013 07:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Clement built in a couple of hours the following nice branch analysecoverage tools :) It is dead slow but cool. By branch coverage tool do you mean Jejak? frank -- Clément Béra Mate Virtual Machine Engineer Bâtiment B 40, avenue Halley 59650 Villeneuve d'Ascq -- Clément Béra Mate Virtual Machine Engineer Bâtiment B 40, avenue Halley 59650 Villeneuve d'Ascq -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-project] Game prototype with Amber deployed
Wow!!! Impressive Alexandre On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com wrote: I forward this to Pharo project it might interest some of you too. -- Forwarded message -- From: Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com Date: 2013/4/5 Subject: Game prototype with Amber deployed To: amber-l...@googlegroups.com Hello amber community, Eight months ago I met Nicolas Petton, discovered Amber and developed a game prototype with it. Recently Nicolas Petton asked me if I could deploy it to show examples of what you can do with Amber. So I spent several hours reading / updating my old code, updating to latest amber version and I deployed a beta version here : http://clementbera.github.com/amber/projects/easnoth/fight2players.html?map=5 According to my tests on Mac OS X, on : - Firefox it works fine - Google Chrome it works fine the first time (cache problem) with the best animation experience but there is a problem when you refresh the page - Safari it works fine the first time but there is a huge cache problem, so you need to close safari and reopen it to reopen the page. There is no AI, so you have to play two player on the same computer for now. Unfortunately I disabled a lot of functionality in this deployed version because most of them were not stable but only prototypes. Also, I developed that when I was a student and I am ashamed of the bad quality of the code ... I'm going to refactor and work on it in the next two months to go to a true release at the end of May. And I'll fix this cache problem on Safari and Chrome :). I let on purpose amber in non deploy mode so you can browse the bad code if you want to (and to show it is open source). This is my first use of git (I used monticello and svn only before) and the repo seems to be not correct. I will change that so the beta version link might be obselete in a few days. By the way congratulations for Amber it is really cool. Are the workspace DoIt working the same way in helios that in the previous browser ? Like you need to declare temp variables in the contrary of all the other smalltalk systems ? If so I'd like to hack in your compiler Nico to change that. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-project] [FYI] Athens tutorial
Really cool! Works well! How far are we from bootstrapping? Alexandre On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, there i prepared a small tutorial for Athens, which i did today at PharoConf. But the code i did can be reused by non-participants of conference :) Here the instructions. Download Pharo 2.0 wget -O - get.pharo.org | bash Run Pharo 2.0 ./pharo-ui Pharo.image In a workspace, evaluate (line after line) Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'Athens'; configuration; load. ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '2.0'. Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'Athens'; package:'Athens-Tutorial'; load. AthensTutorial new openWithSpec. Took from here https://gist.github.com/SergeStinckwich/44ca34b54cde83b687a3 (just removed duplicates ;) Thanks, Serge for compiling it down ;) Once you load the code and have window open, skip step one (you already did it), and then just follow the steps by pressing doit button changing the code , pressing doit again , going forwards etc .. and playing with it. I put some comments there to serve as a small description/detail. Any feedback help contributions improvements is welcome. P.S. if you get a DNU at step 30, enable Freetype in settings and try again. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-project] OCompletion paper
Tudor Girba-2 wrote http://users.dcc.uchile.cl/~rrobbes/p/JASE-completion.pdf Thanks :) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OCompletion-paper-tp4679991p4680035.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List
stephane ducasse wrote I would love to get the source code modification (diff) on update so that I can read the code without cliking to all the links in the update mail. Yes! It'd also be great if the integration update emails linked to the monkey mirror instead of fogbugz, so we could get details without logging into fbz. I'm sometimes on the road without my credentials (1Password is a blessing and a curse;)) and would like to see what's going on, but can't get past the fbz login screen. Also, obviously most people do not have an account there, but may want to follow along... Although it seems maybe the monkey mirror does not have permalinks? e.g. http://bugs.pharo.org/issues/id/7602?_k=67AyslvzTyZN3vYD seems to have a seaside session id and doesn't seem to work without it... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Resuming-Issue-Tracker-Mailing-List-tp4679712p4680036.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] [FYI] Athens tutorial
Igor Stasenko wrote you are in the Pharo team: ... so you should be able to commit into any project which under this team umbrella. Please try again, and if you fail, i will copy the file manually. My bad, my login script had a bug. The file is uploaded :) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/FYI-Athens-tutorial-tp4679512p4680037.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness
Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote What is the difference between NECController and NOCController ? In my image the latter seems to be the default, Sean is using the former. Why ? I'm using NOCController. The class I referenced is NECPreferences, which seems to control the settings no matter which controller you use. p.s. http://users.dcc.uchile.cl/~rrobbes/p/JASE-completion.pdf describes the difference in controllers and is a fun read - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp4679488p4680038.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-project] Debugger use case - variable reference from Glamour Inspector
Not sure what is possible with the work on the new debugger, but here is an idea / use case of mine... In Pharo 1.4, from the debugger I Explore (ie using Glamourous Inspector) a temporary variable (debugvar1) that is collection. After drilling in a little bit to a particular model object, I want to call a method (#someCalcWith:) on that object that requires a second temporary variable (debugvar2) from the debugger. At the moment from the debugger I resort to (Smalltalk at: #mydebug put: debugvar2) and then in GI going (self someCalcWith: (Smalltalk at: #mydebug)). It would be nice if an Explore from a debugger took with it the current context so that those variables could be referred to by name from the GI. As a stretch, perhaps even if the debugger moves its position on the stack, then the context available to the GI would change to match. cheers -ben
