Re: [Pharo-users] which FFI to use

[stepharo]

Le 26/12/15 10:50, Saša Janiška a écrit :

On Sub, 2015-12-26 at 09:37 +0100, Damien Cassou wrote:


You can only call 32bits libraries. Mainstream Linux distributions
have both 32 and 64 so there is no theoretical problem here. The only
problem is that it makes installation harder unless you package your
app with distribution-specific tools.

OK.


The Nativeboost calls should continue working in Pharo 5 and beyond

Is there going to be 64bit VM for Pharo-5?


Yes probably by June.




Sincerely,
Gour

--
>From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion
bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered,
intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost
one falls down again into the material pool.

[Pharo-users] up to date library to access facebook api

[stvienna wiener]

hi,

is there a up to date library to access the facebook API ('graph api')? The
facebook api had major changes in April 2015, so any library that wasn't
updated in the last few months is probably not working at all.


I looked at this place to find a library:
http://smalltalkhub.com/list

If there is not a library available, what libraries (e.g., rest client
libraries for accessing json APIs) should I use to build my own code?

Best,
Steve

PS: this is my first message to pharo mailing list, I'm new...

Re: [Pharo-users] Github + Metacello + Baselines

[Thierry Goubier]

Hi Julián,


Le 26/12/2015 18:12, Julián Maestri a écrit :

I'm trying to use a BaselineOf approach for development, and wanted to
know if I got something wrong.

1. Development must be done on the baseline?


Hum, I'd say the two concepts are orthogonal:

A BaselineOf express the relations and requirements of the packages in 
your project. You associate a BaselineOf to every project.


Development or stable happen in separates branches. Each of those 
branches has a BaselineOf to express the dependencies and packages...



2. Configurations must reference a specific point (commit,tag,branch) of
the baseline?


The ConfigurationOf specify a target repository (in git, this means a 
commit, a tag or a branch, by default master) and the BaselineOf to load 
from that repository.


In short, it's not it must, but it will, since you can't avoid it :)


3. My dependencies to other projects must be Baselines or
Configurations? Why?


They can be BaselineOf or ConfigurationOf. Having ConfigurationOf is a 
bit more flexible, because a ConfigurationOf can carry multiple 
versions, #stable and #development, whereas a BaselineOf carry a single 
baseline spec.


It is also a bit easier to request a single group or package of a 
ConfigurationOf than from a BaselineOf; in the latter case you often 
have to import the BaselineOf names (packages and groups) inside the 
namespace of your project baseline, which may be problematic.



BaselineOf:
https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/master/docs/GettingStartedWithGitHub.md

Thanks in advance, Julián


Regards,

Thierry

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Ben Coman]

Hi Robert,

I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level,
but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters,
(plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted
responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail
often hide)

cheers -ben

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have always
> thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa. The VM
> is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image together,
> through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead.
>
> I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it was the
> meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form.
>
> Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for
> #random. :)
>
> nameste,
> robert
>
>
> --
> There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
> 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
> 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
> 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
> 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
> 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as
> being death.
> (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:
>
> I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was
> jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy
> of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is
> there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have
> no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).
>
> cheers,
> robert
>
> ---
>
> And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
> Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
> of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
> not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
> very source of creation.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:
>
> On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:
>
> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:
>
> Hello Robert,
>
> Good day Saša,
>
> Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
> sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
> a good thing too.
>
> Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
> understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.
>
> I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and
> effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge
> supplants older limited knowledge.
>
>
> As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
> it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)
>
> :-)
>
> Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is
> split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this
> speculation when you find #new! :-)

>
>
> Hare hare and Merry Christmas,
>
> Haribol and Happy New Year!
>
> Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!
>
> ---
> But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My
> transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they
> have.
>
>
> --
> As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
> whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
> transcendent self.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Pharo-users] Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework

[ericvm]

I don't know if this is the appropriate venue to do that, but I'd like to
announce that I finished a stable implementation of a framework for
developing Interactive Fiction in Pharo Smalltalk.

It is based on an old code written by Bob Jarvis for Dolphin, but it has
been changed so much that it is almost something new.

This is my first project and I'm still working around Metacello and
polishing stuff up. So I appreciate any code contributions, comments or
thoughts about it.

It is hosted on Smalltalkhub:
(http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~ericvm/Smallworlds)



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Re: [Pharo-users] up to date library to access facebook api

[Alexandre Bergel]

Never heard about it.

Alexandre 

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:11 AM, stvienna wiener  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> is there a up to date library to access the facebook API ('graph api')? The 
> facebook api had major changes in April 2015, so any library that wasn't 
> updated in the last few months is probably not working at all.
> 
> 
> I looked at this place to find a library:
> http://smalltalkhub.com/list
> 
> If there is not a library available, what libraries (e.g., rest client 
> libraries for accessing json APIs) should I use to build my own code?
> 
> Best, 
> Steve
> 
> PS: this is my first message to pharo mailing list, I'm new...

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Re: [Pharo-users] Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework

[Alexandre Bergel]

hi!

I would like to try it, but I am facing some issues:
- I cannot use your configuration on Pharo 5. I get an error when 
trying to load the stable version
- I therefore tried to manually load the two packages. But 
Smallworlds-ColossalCave does not load. Some classes are missing.

Cheers,
Alexandre


> On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:03 PM, ericvm  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if this is the appropriate venue to do that, but I'd like to
> announce that I finished a stable implementation of a framework for
> developing Interactive Fiction in Pharo Smalltalk.
> 
> It is based on an old code written by Bob Jarvis for Dolphin, but it has
> been changed so much that it is almost something new.
> 
> This is my first project and I'm still working around Metacello and
> polishing stuff up. So I appreciate any code contributions, comments or
> thoughts about it.
> 
> It is hosted on Smalltalkhub:
> (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~ericvm/Smallworlds)
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 

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Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Robert Withers]

I must say as well, I disagree strenuously to the community were 
attempts made to classify spiritual and religious scholarship and 
commentary, related as it demonstrably is to meta models in Smalltalk, 
to be placed on the censorship list.


I strenuously object to these objections to the sciences of consciousness.

respectfully,
robert


On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote:

Hi Robert,

I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level,
but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters,
(plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted
responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail
often hide)

cheers -ben

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers
 wrote:

Hi,

I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have always
thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa. The VM
is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image together,
through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead.

I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it was the
meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form.

Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for
#random. :)

nameste,
robert


--
There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as
being death.
(avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)


On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:

I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was
jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy
of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is
there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have
no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).

cheers,
robert

---

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
very source of creation.




On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:

On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:

Hello Robert,

Good day Saša,

Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
a good thing too.

Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.

I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and
effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge
supplants older limited knowledge.


As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)

:-)

Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is
split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this
speculation when you find #new! :-)

Hare hare and Merry Christmas,

Haribol and Happy New Year!

Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!

---
But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My
transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they
have.


--
As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
transcendent self.

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

On 27/12/15 13:54, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:


  but not as active participation as I would like (I regret to answer 
back as quick as I get some feedback, but I'm trying to improve),


Je je I meant "I regret not being able to answer back as quick as I get 
some feedback"


Cheers,

Offray

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Robert Withers]

Thank you Offray, for a way out of this dreadful conversation of 
opposition to free-thinking. Ahh, irony. You make an exceelent 
observation of some limitations you say you have also run into and your 
thoughtful solution to this.


best,

--
Robert
.  ..   ...^,^



On 12/27/2015 01:54 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:

Robert,

I'm a newbie myself on this community, with near to a year in it, but 
not as active participation as I would like (I regret to answer back 
as quick as I get some feedback, but I'm trying to improve), so I 
don't know myself. I think that communities tend to be different on 
the way they behave according to on-topic or off-topic views. In the 
case of the Leo community, is not unusual some kind of public 
monologue about how to solve some issues, sharing "notes to myself" 
with all the list. In the case of Pharo/Moose the meta reflection 
seems better in places like blog post. I found this in my own case 
while asking questions in the Moose mailing list in long posts where I 
give a lot of background information and those did take a lot to be 
answered or where ignored at all. I remember that one meta-question I 
made to the list was "Am I asking wrong?" and after that I decided to 
test this combination of long background or panoramic/extra reflexions 
on blog post with more specific short questions in the respective 
mailing list or chat channel. I got better feedback in all channels 
(chat, mailing lists and blog comments) with this combination. See and 
example here:


http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/grafoscopio-idea-and-initial-progress.html

Hope this helps,

Offray

On 27/12/15 13:18, Robert Withers wrote:
Wait a second here. Let's be clear. In your first paragraph you say 
no need to feel that I am censored or ostracized, then the second 
paragraph you censor me.

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Robert Withers]

Hi,

I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have 
always thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as 
arupa. The VM is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of 
the image together, through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive 
& dead.


I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it was 
the meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form.


Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for 
#random. :)


nameste,
robert


--
There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as 
being death.

(avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)


On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:
I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I 
was jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in 
the analogy of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The 
arupa level is there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals 
with things that have no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).


cheers,
robert

---

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
very source of creation.




On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:

On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:

Hello Robert,

Good day Saša,


Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
a good thing too.

Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.

I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and 
effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge 
supplants older limited knowledge.



As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)

:-)

Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is split 
into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this speculation when 
you find #new! :-)



Hare hare and Merry Christmas,

Haribol and Happy New Year!

Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!

---
But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My 
transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they 
have.



--
As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
transcendent self.

Re: [Pharo-users] Block that doesn't leak memory

[Clément Bera]

There is no way of creating such blocks currently.

In fact only non local returns and debugging are problems as remote
variables are accessed through an indirection. A lightweight block (to
reuse your terms) with no outer context but accesses to remote temporary
variables would work fine.

The common terminology is as follow:
- Blocks are called clean blocks if there are no remote temporary variable
access and no outer context references
- They're called copying block if there are remote temporary access but
still no outer context
- They're called full blocks if they have an outer context (One can
sometimes distinguish also full and fullcopying blocks, but it does not
matter)

Pharo supports only full blocks, on the contrary to other smalltalk such as
VW. I did a working implementation of clean blocks, as you describe, but I
didn't integrate it because I didn't like loosing part of the debugging
features. That was years ago I am not sure I can find the code anymore. I
can explain the design though as it's pretty straightforward.

To implement such blocks, you need to share a fake outerContext between all
the clean blocks created in the same method. You can't have nil as an outer
context else the VM behaves badly. Instead of the block creation bytecode,
you can use the pushLiteral instruction to push the BlockClosure created at
compilation time and stored in the literal frame of the method. You can put
the bytecode of clean blocks at the end of the bytecode zone of the method,
followed by a returnTop instruction at the end (without the return
instruction the JIT is confused on where the end of the bytecoded method
is). Let me know if you want to implement that I can help. I still think it
should be an external library and not in the base Pharo though for
debugging purpose.

To solve your problem of moving blocks around, it may also be possible to
use ephemerons to remove the dependency. Maybe some ephemeron experts can
help you there.

2015-12-26 16:47 GMT+01:00 webwarrior :

> BlockClosure objects hold reference to object that created them via
> outerContext receiver. This can cause memory leaks when moving blocks
> around/deepcopying/serializing.
>
> Is there a way to get "lightweight" block that has empty outerContext (like
> when executing code in Playground) or is there another class for such
> "lightweight" blocks somewhere?
>
> Obviously I'm talking about blocks that don't reference variables in
> enclosing scope and don't do nonlocal return.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://forum.world.st/Block-that-doesn-t-leak-memory-tp4868529.html
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>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Johan Fabry]

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 15:18, Robert Withers  wrote:
> 
> Wait a second here. Let's be clear. In your first paragraph you say no need 
> to feel that I am censored or ostracized, then the second paragraph you 
> censor me.

You did not completely take into account my sentence. The second part says: 
"for your spiritual and/or religious point of view”.


> Alright, I ask you all.  Which meta-model is acceptable for practical work in 
> my stack? I need a meta-model to describe it, or rahter anyone should be able 
> to skin the meta-model they want and that makes most sense. These 
> consciousness meta-models, or meta-memes, from religious tradition are 
> well-defined models. 

I have no opinion on this, this is a design question for your work, and not 
straightforwardly related to Pharo itself. In my opinion and apparently in the 
opinion of others as well, this is not a topic for this mailing list. Sending 
multiple mails to the list about it can be considered bad netiquette.


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Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Robert Withers]

I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was 
jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the 
analogy of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa 
level is there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with 
things that have no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).


cheers,
robert

---

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
very source of creation.




On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:

On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:

Hello Robert,

Good day Saša,


Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
a good thing too.

Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.

I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and 
effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge 
supplants older limited knowledge.



As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)

:-)

Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is split 
into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this speculation when 
you find #new! :-)



Hare hare and Merry Christmas,

Haribol and Happy New Year!

Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!

---
But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My 
transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they 
have.



--
As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
transcendent self.

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Johan Fabry]

Robert, there is no need to feel that you are being censored for your spiritual 
and/or religious point of view and are being ostracized. 

This being said, this is a mailing list with a relatively high amount of 
traffic as well as many subscribers, and because of this nature the 
conversations here are supposed to be of a more directly practical nature and 
straightforwardly related to Pharo. So I agree with the main gist of Ben’s 
message (+ Marcus’ message of some time ago) and I am quite sure that many 
other subscribers to the list also do so.

So please keep your message on-topic, to assure a better mailing list 
experience for all.

Greetings,

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 14:15, Robert Withers  wrote:
> 
> I must say as well, I disagree strenuously to the community were attempts 
> made to classify spiritual and religious scholarship and commentary, related 
> as it demonstrably is to meta models in Smalltalk, to be placed on the 
> censorship list.
> 
> I strenuously object to these objections to the sciences of consciousness.
> 
> respectfully,
> robert
> 



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Chile

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Robert Withers]

Sure Ben, I could. My apologies if the paradigm of spirituality bothers 
you but it is a perfectly legitimate source of analogy AND interactive 
fiction, having just been exposed to what that is. In addition I am 
connecting this to an educational process and picture of some unique 
areas of Pharo. I don't seem to have a problem nor am I breaking any 
"rules" I am aware of unless you have dominion, agency and possession to 
be establishing such a rule at this time. If so, I will desist; 
otherwise I will continue to mine the ancient sources of psychology and 
sociology for application to the best damn little programming 
environment every other language fails to emulate.


Once again, my apologies this upsets you.

Sincerely,
Robert

On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote:

Hi Robert,

I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level,
but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters,
(plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted
responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail
often hide)

cheers -ben

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers
 wrote:

Hi,

I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have always
thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa. The VM
is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image together,
through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead.

I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it was the
meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form.

Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for
#random. :)

nameste,
robert


--
There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as
being death.
(avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)


On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:

I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was
jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy
of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is
there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have
no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).

cheers,
robert

---

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
very source of creation.




On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:

On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:

Hello Robert,

Good day Saša,

Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
a good thing too.

Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.

I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and
effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge
supplants older limited knowledge.


As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)

:-)

Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is
split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this
speculation when you find #new! :-)

Hare hare and Merry Christmas,

Haribol and Happy New Year!

Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!

---
But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My
transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they
have.


--
As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
transcendent self.

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Robert Withers]

You know Ben, another option is to shun and ostracize me. Those be well 
oiled options. Truth.


On 12/27/2015 12:01 PM, Robert Withers wrote:
Sure Ben, I could. My apologies if the paradigm of spirituality 
bothers you but it is a perfectly legitimate source of analogy AND 
interactive fiction, having just been exposed to what that is. In 
addition I am connecting this to an educational process and picture of 
some unique areas of Pharo. I don't seem to have a problem nor am I 
breaking any "rules" I am aware of unless you have dominion, agency 
and possession to be establishing such a rule at this time. If so, I 
will desist; otherwise I will continue to mine the ancient sources of 
psychology and sociology for application to the best damn little 
programming environment every other language fails to emulate.


Once again, my apologies this upsets you.

Sincerely,
Robert

On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote:

Hi Robert,

I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual 
level,

but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters,
(plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted
responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail
often hide)

cheers -ben

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers
 wrote:

Hi,

I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have 
always
thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa. 
The VM
is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image 
together,

through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead.

I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it 
was the

meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form.

Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for
#random. :)

nameste,
robert


--
There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as
being death.
(avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)


On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:

I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I 
was
jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the 
analogy
of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa 
level is
there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things 
that have

no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).

cheers,
robert

---

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
very source of creation.




On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:

On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:

Hello Robert,

Good day Saša,

Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
a good thing too.

Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.

I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, 
concentration and

effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge
supplants older limited knowledge.


As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)

:-)

Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and 
that is

split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this
speculation when you find #new! :-)

Hare hare and Merry Christmas,

Haribol and Happy New Year!

Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!

---
But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating 
on My
transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve 
what they

have.


--
As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on 
the

transcendent self.

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi Gour,

It seems that I have some similar quest to you, so I will try to answer 
about my approximation to documentation in the Pharo worl, even with the 
existance of Pillar (but being by no means any kind of expert on it, and 
of course this is my own experience, your mileage may vary).


On 25/12/15 11:02, Saša Janiška wrote:

Hiya,

I see that Pharo project has embraced Pillar system for documentation
purposes and my first question was "Why Pillar?" since, iirc, comparison
was made with e.g Markdown which is, obviously, not sufficient for eg.
authoring books, but there are more capable markups with 'standard'
implementations like rst/Sphinx and Asciidoc(tor).

Then I thought it must be some deeper reason, iow. something suitable to
work more closely with Pharo itself.

Now I have two questions:

1) Can someone answer in more detail "Why Pillar?" and


Seems that the reasons exposed in this tread are: It predated markdown, 
so was already used inside the community, and gives us finer control on 
the overall markup language, including exporting formats. I have tested 
several light markup languages for documentation including markdown, 
reST, AsciiDoc, dokuwiki, wikimedia, tiddly wiki, text2tags (t2), among 
others. There are several features that are desirable in many of them, 
like nice evoking notations of t2t and dokuwiki, wide support for 
exporting formats of reST, readability of AsciiDoc regarding extending 
features, the spread of Media wiki or nice modular approach to 
documentation of tiddly wiki. Surely the two reasons for pillar are also 
good ones. How do you balance this options?


Before reentering Pharo I was thinking in something like an extensible 
light markup language, like t2t, but instead of using regular expression 
(t2t uses them), it would use something like yaml[1] and a processor of 
these serialized data for different exporters. The idea of combining 
light markup languages for documentation and data serialization seems to 
become more popular these days. Two projects implement this idea 
Pandoc[2] and Grav[3] and both use a combination of markdown and yaml.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAML
[2] http://pandoc.org/
[3] http://getgrav.org/

So, how this could be combined with the offerings of Pharo? My bet is on 
pandoc (markdown+yaml) for writing almost anything, with some advantages 
over pillar:


a. It has a bigger momentum with projects like scholarly markdown ([4] 
http://scholmd.org/)
b. It has support for bibliographic references, footnotes a a more 
complete feature set.


The finer control would be offered by using abstract syntax trees (AST) 
for more detailed manipulation, which is already used to extend pandoc 
with languages like ruby, lua, perl  (see examples in [5] 
http://pandoc.org/scripting.html) and could be used, theoretically with 
Pharo. That's where metamodels used by Pillar could be used, so we could 
extend pandoc inside Pharo, while using markdown + yaml as a common 
language to write prose with other authors beyond this community, 
because Pillar is used only here, while markdown is becoming more used 
as a cross-community language for documentation, including Jupyter 
notebooks that combine documentation with languages like R, Julia, 
Haskell or Python.


This lead me to your next point:



2) For some time I was considering whether to settle on using rst or
AsciiDoc for *all* my writings, which means blog posts, my study notes,
preparing books, writing articles etc.

Since I've settled to use Python-powered static-site-generator (Nikola)
along with reStructuredText markup which can call external 'compilers'
to process blog posts written in specific markup, I wonder if it would
be possible to use Pillar markup with it since it seems there is cli for
it?


I have been using Nikola myself and keeping myself under a more cohesive 
python environment for making my publishing and scripting/programming 
exploration. That changed after knowing Pharo/Roassal/Moose and now I 
try to "live inside" these technologies most of the time for my own 
interactive documentation and visualization project[6] and connect with 
the external world via standards & formats like Json, cvs, yaml and 
markdown. That's why now I'm using grav instead of Nikola for my web 
publishing. Ecstatic have more powerful things like a logic-less 
approach to templating via mustache, that is neutral to the underlaying 
language, while grav templating is tied to php, but grav seems more 
developed and with more ready to use templates or skeletons for web 
publishing, so, once installed, you barely touch any underlaying 
technology beyond markup languages. More details on the 
transition/combination of grav/nikola can be found on [7].


[6] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/index.en.html
[7] http://mutabit.com/offray/blog/es/entry/2015-10-06-grav-nikola-both

So, while I think that choosing Pharo technologies is better for making 
them more mature, tested and used, I also think that 

[Pharo-users] Meta-models (Re: Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar))

[Robert Withers]

On 12/27/2015 01:50 PM, Johan Fabry wrote:
On Dec 27, 2015, at 15:18, Robert Withers > wrote:
Alright, I ask you all.  Which meta-model is acceptable for practical 
work in my stack? I need a meta-model to describe it, or rahter 
anyone should be able to skin the meta-model they want and that makes 
most sense. These consciousness meta-models, or meta-memes, from 
religious tradition are well-defined models.


I have no opinion on this, this is a design question for your work, 
and not straightforwardly related to Pharo itself. In my opinion and 
apparently in the opinion of others as well, this is not a topic for 
this mailing list. Sending multiple mails to the list about it can be 
considered bad netiquette.


I find it very unfortunate you sidestepped my question with a claim of 
not only no opinion, but that it has no place on this list. Intellectual 
dishonesty is a rather poor maneuver for one who claims to be of an 
enlightened tribe. I object on the basis of principle.


So, I would extend you another opportunity, which are valid meta-models? 
Let's talk about meta-memes and meta-models within Pharo's creative 
space. Shall it be the military analogy, then? How unfortunate, I'd wish 
an alternative.


Regards,

--
Robert
.  ..   ...^,^

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

[Robert Withers]

Here's the thing that gets my goat: I had already acknowledged it was 
enough for the list and was signing off further comment when Ben decided 
he really needed to add his two cents. It is unfortunate he did not 
spend his change in a positive manner but wished to be negative and 
critical.


I was unwilling to let that go by as an implicit restriction on the 
substance of my posting, into the future. ...and the thread is twice as 
long. Not my doing.  Some things must be challenged.


Do you know what I mean, then? Just say no to intellectual coercion.

robert

On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote:

Hi Robert,

I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level,
but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters,
(plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted
responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail
often hide)

cheers -ben

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers
 wrote:

*My apologies...I'll try for #random. :)*

nameste,
robert


--
There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as
being death.
(avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)


On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:

I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was
jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy
of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is
there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have
no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).

cheers,
robert

---

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
very source of creation.




On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:

On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:

Hello Robert,

Good day Saša,

Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
a good thing too.

Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.

I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and
effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge
supplants older limited knowledge.


As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)

:-)

Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is
split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this
speculation when you find #new! :-)

Hare hare and Merry Christmas,

Haribol and Happy New Year!

Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!

---
But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My
transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they
have.


--
As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
transcendent self.









--
Robert
.  ..   ...^,^

Re: [Pharo-users] Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework

[Eric Velten de Melo]

This error is because you are loading Smallworlds-ColossalCave. It is a
separate package and is not working. You don't need to load it.
Em 27 de dez de 2015 23:15, "Alexandre Bergel" 
escreveu:

> Hi!
>
> Something is wrong. PetitParser is indeed loaded. I get an error: This
> package depends on the following classes:
>   CommandParser
> You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these
> definitions:
>   CCCommandParser
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 2015, at 9:13 PM, ericvm  wrote:
> >
> > You need to have PetitParser installed for it to work.
> >
> > ColossalCave is not ported, should be removed.
> >
> > I was not able to get the metacello cobfiguration working properly.
> >
> > But installing PetitParser and loading last commit of Smallworlds
> package should be enough.
> >
> > To run cloak of darkness, type
> > (AdventureShell world: (CDGameWorld new)) openWithSpec.
> >
> > Em 27 de dez de 2015 17:29, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <[hidden email]>
> escreveu:
> > hi!
> >
> > I would like to try it, but I am facing some issues:
> > - I cannot use your configuration on Pharo 5. I get an error
> when trying to load the stable version
> > - I therefore tried to manually load the two packages. But
> Smallworlds-ColossalCave does not load. Some classes are missing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alexandre
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:03 PM, ericvm <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know if this is the appropriate venue to do that, but I'd like
> to
> > > announce that I finished a stable implementation of a framework for
> > > developing Interactive Fiction in Pharo Smalltalk.
> > >
> > > It is based on an old code written by Bob Jarvis for Dolphin, but it
> has
> > > been changed so much that it is almost something new.
> > >
> > > This is my first project and I'm still working around Metacello and
> > > polishing stuff up. So I appreciate any code contributions, comments or
> > > thoughts about it.
> > >
> > > It is hosted on Smalltalkhub:
> > > (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~ericvm/Smallworlds)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560.html
> > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> > --
> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
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> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Pharo-users] Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework

[ericvm]

You need to have PetitParser installed for it to work.

ColossalCave is not ported, should be removed.

I was not able to get the metacello cobfiguration working properly.

But installing PetitParser and loading last commit of Smallworlds package
should be enough.

To run cloak of darkness, type
(AdventureShell world: (CDGameWorld new)) openWithSpec.
Em 27 de dez de 2015 17:29, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <
ml-node+s1294792n4868585...@n4.nabble.com> escreveu:

> hi!
>
> I would like to try it, but I am facing some issues:
> - I cannot use your configuration on Pharo 5. I get an error when
> trying to load the stable version
> - I therefore tried to manually load the two packages. But
> Smallworlds-ColossalCave does not load. Some classes are missing.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:03 PM, ericvm <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if this is the appropriate venue to do that, but I'd like
> to
> > announce that I finished a stable implementation of a framework for
> > developing Interactive Fiction in Pharo Smalltalk.
> >
> > It is based on an old code written by Bob Jarvis for Dolphin, but it has
> > been changed so much that it is almost something new.
> >
> > This is my first project and I'm still working around Metacello and
> > polishing stuff up. So I appreciate any code contributions, comments or
> > thoughts about it.
> >
> > It is hosted on Smalltalkhub:
> > (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~ericvm/Smallworlds)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560.html
> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
>
> --
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Pharo-users] Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework

[Alexandre Bergel]

Hi!

Something is wrong. PetitParser is indeed loaded. I get an error: This package 
depends on the following classes:
  CommandParser
You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these 
definitions: 
  CCCommandParser

Alexandre


> On Dec 27, 2015, at 9:13 PM, ericvm  wrote:
> 
> You need to have PetitParser installed for it to work.
> 
> ColossalCave is not ported, should be removed.
> 
> I was not able to get the metacello cobfiguration working properly.
> 
> But installing PetitParser and loading last commit of Smallworlds package 
> should be enough.
> 
> To run cloak of darkness, type
> (AdventureShell world: (CDGameWorld new)) openWithSpec.
> 
> Em 27 de dez de 2015 17:29, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <[hidden email]> 
> escreveu:
> hi! 
> 
> I would like to try it, but I am facing some issues: 
> - I cannot use your configuration on Pharo 5. I get an error when 
> trying to load the stable version 
> - I therefore tried to manually load the two packages. But 
> Smallworlds-ColossalCave does not load. Some classes are missing. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Alexandre 
> 
> 
> > On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:03 PM, ericvm <[hidden email]> wrote: 
> > 
> > I don't know if this is the appropriate venue to do that, but I'd like to 
> > announce that I finished a stable implementation of a framework for 
> > developing Interactive Fiction in Pharo Smalltalk. 
> > 
> > It is based on an old code written by Bob Jarvis for Dolphin, but it has 
> > been changed so much that it is almost something new. 
> > 
> > This is my first project and I'm still working around Metacello and 
> > polishing stuff up. So I appreciate any code contributions, comments or 
> > thoughts about it. 
> > 
> > It is hosted on Smalltalkhub: 
> > (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~ericvm/Smallworlds) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > View this message in context: 
> > http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560.html
> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. 
> >
> -- 
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: 
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> 
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Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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Re: [Pharo-users] up to date library to access facebook api

[Ben Coman]

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:11 PM, stvienna wiener  wrote:
> hi,
>
> is there a up to date library to access the facebook API ('graph api')? The
> facebook api had major changes in April 2015, so any library that wasn't
> updated in the last few months is probably not working at all.
>
>
> I looked at this place to find a library:
> http://smalltalkhub.com/list
>
> If there is not a library available, what libraries (e.g., rest client
> libraries for accessing json APIs) should I use to build my own code?
>
> Best,
> Steve
>
> PS: this is my first message to pharo mailing list, I'm new...

hi Steve, and welcome. I hope you enjoy discovering Pharo.
Unfortunately I don't know of any Facebook library for Pharo.  The
closest is probably [1] for the Google Service Discovery API
https://www.min.at/prinz/?x=entry:entry150318-104537.

@all, I found this interesting...
http://nordicapis.com/api-discovery-11-ways-to-find-apis/

cheers -ben
http://nordicapis.com/api-discovery-11-ways-to-find-apis/