Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[horrido]

True, some applications are very long-lived. But in my experience, a great
many applications are EOL'd within 20 years. It may happen for many
different reasons, some technical, some political, some because the
technology has grown out of date (which causes HR and support difficulties).

My point was simply that any software project that lasts more than a decade
has to be considered a success.



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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[John Pfersich]

I don’t know if a 10 year lifespan is exceptional. I wrote an application in 
1986 that’s still running. Development took 6 weeks. Including testing.

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> On Aug 6, 2019, at 04:37, horrido  wrote:
> 
> Well, all software applications eventually meet their EOL. IRIS-2 had a good,
> long run.
> 
> Note that the same thing applies to JWARS. It was EOL'd in 2010, but it was
> operational for over a decade. That's pretty damn good!
> 
> None of this takes away from Smalltalk's efficacy and power.
> 
> 
> 
> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote
>> Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't
>> work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system.
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 05:06 Tim Mackinnon 
> 
>> tim@
> 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to
>>> JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using
>>> Smalltalk”
>>> (so it’s not in the past)
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng 
> 
>> horrido.hobbies@
> 
>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A big fan of my work created this rogue video:
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
>>> 
>>> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
>>> 
>>> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my
>>> evangelism.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[horrido]

Personally I don't like the aesthetics, the pace of text and its
"nostalgia", and the overall message of the song lyrics ; and although
I like the band and song, it's a proven plagiarism of Satriani's "If I
could fly". [1]


Putting aside the song's controversy, I think it's a lovely aesthetic. It's
romantic. It mirrors Smalltalk's former glory. And the video's content
suggests a possible bright future. "Join the revolution."

Indeed.



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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[horrido]

What is the intentend audience of this?


I watched the video again, carefully, and here's my takeaway...

The video is aimed at developers and would-be developers who:

— have never heard of Smalltalk, or do not know anything significant about
the language or its history

— are not aware that Smalltalk was once a reasonably popular language, so
it's not as obscure and esoteric as they think

— do not know that there have been two conflicting philosophies surrounding
OOP, and that most developers have learned OOP "the wrong way"

— and, most importantly, that Smalltalk represents a new programming model,
distinct from the one that most everyone have been using since the days of
FORTRAN and COBOL

This last point is crucial. I've heard so many complaints about Smalltalk
being too "insular" because of its system image, that it doesn't play well
with existing programming tools like text editors, command line utilities,
git, etc. Duh! It's a new programming model! What do you expect?

And now that Pharo plays nice with git, insularity is no longer as big a
deal. This new programming model is THE REASON that Smalltalk is so super
productive. If the video can drive home this point, and I think it does,
that's a huge achievement.





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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[horrido]

Hmmm, I apparently guessed wrong. :-(



Richard Sargent wrote
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:16 PM BrunoBB 

> smalltalk@.com

>  wrote:
> 
>> /Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't
>> work
>> anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. /
>>
>> How accurate is this ?
>>
> 
> OOCL advanced their system to IRIS-4 (Oracle based) and was eventually
> bought by COSCO, a mainland China shipping company. COSCO is currently
> running IRIS-2.
> 
> 
>> From:
>>
>> https://www.oocl.com/eng/aboutoocl/companyprofile/informationtechnology/Pages/default.aspx
>>
>> OOCL's  Integrated Regional Information System, known as IRIS-2, was
>> launched in 1999. IRIS-2 became more than just a software; it helped
>> facilitate a new company culture. * IRIS-2 has changed the way we think
>> and
>> the way we do business.*
>>
>> regards,
>> bruno
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>





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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:39 PM horrido  wrote:

> I've read a number of LinkedIn posts from Mariano Martínez Peck about
> recent
> innovations to VA Smalltalk, IIRC. Seems to me that Instantiations are
> doing
> a good job of innovating, too.
>
>
Thanks Richard. Funny thing... I was typing my response while yours jumped
in :)


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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[horrido]

I'm just guessing, but perhaps COSCO's acquisition of OOCL forced them to
realign their software infrastructure. COSCO is obviously not a Smalltalk
shop. This wouldn't be the first time an acquisition forced major corporate
changes.



Mariano Martinez Peck wrote
> The last place was a few days ago:
> https://twitter.com/MartinClausen8/status/1157051595999404033
> But... a whole longer discussion took place a few months ago...but I
> cannot
> find it now.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:19 PM BrunoBB 

> smalltalk@.com

>  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry,
>>
>> The main phrase:
>>
>> Today, we continue to reap the rewards of this remarkable system.
>>
>> regards,
>> bruno
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
> 
> -- 
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> Email: 

> marianopeck@

> Twitter: @MartinezPeck
> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-martinez-peck
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/;
> Blog: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/





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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Richard Sargent]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:16 PM BrunoBB  wrote:

> /Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't
> work
> anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. /
>
> How accurate is this ?
>

OOCL advanced their system to IRIS-4 (Oracle based) and was eventually
bought by COSCO, a mainland China shipping company. COSCO is currently
running IRIS-2.


> From:
>
> https://www.oocl.com/eng/aboutoocl/companyprofile/informationtechnology/Pages/default.aspx
>
> OOCL's  Integrated Regional Information System, known as IRIS-2, was
> launched in 1999. IRIS-2 became more than just a software; it helped
> facilitate a new company culture. * IRIS-2 has changed the way we think and
> the way we do business.*
>
> regards,
> bruno
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

Hi Torsten, how are you?

Please find my answers below.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:37 PM Torsten Bergmann  wrote:

> >Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't
> work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system.
>
> Many things seem to be possible in times where talks like "How to get rid
> of Smalltalk" [1] will be presented on
> a Smalltalk conference (here ESUG 2019).
>
>
Yes, I saw it too and caught my attention. Here is more details about the
talk:
https://github.com/ESUG/esug.github.io/blob/source/2019-Conference/talks/2019-HowToGetRidOfSmalltalk
I think it's a nice gesture from ESUG to not ban it and let him speak.
Whether we agree or not, that's a different discussion. But we can't ban.



> Did commercial / traditional Smalltalk world really change over the years?
> I'm not following them too closely in recent months
> but I see some commercial vendors still try to attract people with old
> success stories and videos from ancient times.
>


You know I am working for Instantiations. I have seen what you mean too in
other vendors but I cannot speak in public about that. Feel free to send me
a private email.


Where is the "coolness factor" combined with fancy marketing to attract new
> generations and audience...
>
>

That's exactly  the kind of marketing that we are doing at Instantiations.
We are doing a lot of R in many areas such as IoT, ARM (we have ARM 32
and ARM 64), Raspberry Pi, AI/ML TensorFlow, Docker and many many other
aspects. We have also moved forward on improving dialect compatibility such
as writing a Tonel reader AND WRITER. Just take a look to my or or
Instantiations  twitter/linkedin activity and you will see it. You can also
see our recent newsletter:

https://mailchi.mp/instantiations/va-smalltalk-news-august-1-3037649
https://mailchi.mp/instantiations/va-smalltalk-news-april-17

Instantiations sponsored Camp St NC on March
https://twitter.com/CampSmalltalkNA  , its sponsoring ESUG and will sponsor
Smalltalks.

If you check everything I sent, you will notice there is not a single
reference to success stories (except one that partner with us to build the
new LLVM JIT).



> And this although Smalltalk seems to be often mentioned as favourite
> language like in [2]
>
> Pharo is in fact the main innovation driver these days. Another reason to
> move on, to improve it or even change Pharo more radical
> into a world beyond traditional Smalltalk. We all know that many new cool
> and interesting things could be done on top
> of the powerful base of a lively and dynamic object oriented system which
> we still share with the historic roots
>
>
Well, I don't fully agree there. See my response here:
http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-users-OT-slightly-What-makes-other-dialects-enjoyable-for-you-WAS-difference-between-double-tp5098137p5098178.html
I don't mind Pharo moving forward in innovation and with more radical
changes beyond traditional Smalltalk etc etc. But then don't call it
"business friendly".
It's not that you have 100 paid engineers to work on it.  IMHO you cannot
correctly target both.

Best regards,

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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[horrido]

I've read a number of LinkedIn posts from Mariano Martínez Peck about recent
innovations to VA Smalltalk, IIRC. Seems to me that Instantiations are doing
a good job of innovating, too.



Torsten Bergmann wrote
>>Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't
work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. 
> 
> Many things seem to be possible in times where talks like "How to get rid
> of Smalltalk" [1] will be presented on 
> a Smalltalk conference (here ESUG 2019). 
> 
> Did commercial / traditional Smalltalk world really change over the years?
> I'm not following them too closely in recent months
> but I see some commercial vendors still try to attract people with old
> success stories and videos from ancient times.
> Where is the "coolness factor" combined with fancy marketing to attract
> new generations and audience... 
> 
> And this although Smalltalk seems to be often mentioned as favourite
> language like in [2]
> 
> Pharo is in fact the main innovation driver these days. Another reason to
> move on, to improve it or even change Pharo more radical 
> into a world beyond traditional Smalltalk. We all know that many new cool
> and interesting things could be done on top 
> of the powerful base of a lively and dynamic object oriented system which
> we still share with the historic roots
> 
> Bye
> T.
> 
> [1] https://esug.github.io/2019-Conference/conf2019.html
> [2] https://twitter.com/Grady_Booch/status/1157049284870602752





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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

The last place was a few days ago:
https://twitter.com/MartinClausen8/status/1157051595999404033
But... a whole longer discussion took place a few months ago...but I cannot
find it now.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:19 PM BrunoBB  wrote:

> Sorry,
>
> The main phrase:
>
> Today, we continue to reap the rewards of this remarkable system.
>
> regards,
> bruno
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[BrunoBB]

Sorry,

The main phrase:

Today, we continue to reap the rewards of this remarkable system.

regards,
bruno



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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[BrunoBB]

/Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't work
anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. /

How accurate is this ?

From:
https://www.oocl.com/eng/aboutoocl/companyprofile/informationtechnology/Pages/default.aspx

OOCL's  Integrated Regional Information System, known as IRIS-2, was
launched in 1999. IRIS-2 became more than just a software; it helped
facilitate a new company culture. * IRIS-2 has changed the way we think and
the way we do business.*

regards,
bruno



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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Torsten Bergmann]

>Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't work 
>anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. 

Many things seem to be possible in times where talks like "How to get rid of 
Smalltalk" [1] will be presented on 
a Smalltalk conference (here ESUG 2019). 

Did commercial / traditional Smalltalk world really change over the years? I'm 
not following them too closely in recent months
but I see some commercial vendors still try to attract people with old success 
stories and videos from ancient times.
Where is the "coolness factor" combined with fancy marketing to attract new 
generations and audience... 

And this although Smalltalk seems to be often mentioned as favourite language 
like in [2]

Pharo is in fact the main innovation driver these days. Another reason to move 
on, to improve it or even change Pharo more radical 
into a world beyond traditional Smalltalk. We all know that many new cool and 
interesting things could be done on top 
of the powerful base of a lively and dynamic object oriented system which we 
still share with the historic roots

Bye
T.

[1] https://esug.github.io/2019-Conference/conf2019.html
[2] https://twitter.com/Grady_Booch/status/1157049284870602752

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Esteban Maringolo]

I'm not a native speaker but grammatically speaking "used" (simple
past) means you did use it in the past but there is no information
about whether you use it now, and "have been using" (present perfect)
means you did use it in the past and continue to do so in the present.

Esteban A. Maringolo


On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:37 AM Ben Coman  wrote:
>
> I didn't get the sense that "used" means its no longer being used.
> Yesterday I used a keyboard to write an email, and I'm doing the same thing 
> today.
> cheers -ben
>
> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 16:06, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:
>>
>> It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to 
>> JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using Smalltalk” 
>> (so it’s not in the past)
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng  
>> wrote:
>>
>> A big fan of my work created this rogue video: 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
>>
>> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
>>
>> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my evangelism.
>>

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Ben Coman]

I didn't get the sense that "used" means its no longer being used.
Yesterday I used a keyboard to write an email, and I'm doing the same thing
today.
cheers -ben

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 16:06, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:

> It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to
> JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using Smalltalk”
> (so it’s not in the past)
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng 
> wrote:
>
> A big fan of my work created this rogue video:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
>
> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
>
> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my evangelism.
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Tim Mackinnon]

Kapital is still operational - some of the guys on that team come to the UK 
Smalltalk Meetup and they are often talking about improvements and things they 
are doing (in a general sense, as obviously they can’t share specific details) 
- so its still very active and an amazing system. I had a chance to work on it 
a bit myself for 6 months, and was amazed how productive I could be with very 
little on boarding (particularly when shown their equivalent of the halo click 
command to understand where the code in the ui comes from).

Tim

> On 6 Aug 2019, at 12:33, horrido  wrote:
> 
> "Used Smalltalk" doesn't imply that they stopped using Smalltalk, esp. if
> Kapital is still operational.
> 
> 
> Tim Mackinnon wrote
>> It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to
>> JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using
>> Smalltalk” (so it’s not in the past)
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng 
> 
>> horrido.hobbies@
> 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A big fan of my work created this rogue video:
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
>>> 
>>> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
>>> 
>>> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my
>>> evangelism.
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Esteban Maringolo]

What is the intentend audience of this?

Personally I don't like the aesthetics, the pace of text and its
"nostalgia", and the overall message of the song lyrics ; and although
I like the band and song, it's a proven plagiarism of Satriani's "If I
could fly". [1]

Regards,


[1] https://youtu.be/8RJmiMq1pOA?t=48

Esteban A. Maringolo

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 8:04 AM Mariano Martinez Peck
 wrote:
>
> Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't work 
> anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system.
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 05:06 Tim Mackinnon  wrote:
>>
>> It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to 
>> JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using Smalltalk” 
>> (so it’s not in the past)
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng  
>> wrote:
>>
>> A big fan of my work created this rogue video: 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
>>
>> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
>>
>> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my evangelism.
>>

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[horrido]

Well, all software applications eventually meet their EOL. IRIS-2 had a good,
long run.

Note that the same thing applies to JWARS. It was EOL'd in 2010, but it was
operational for over a decade. That's pretty damn good!

None of this takes away from Smalltalk's efficacy and power.



Mariano Martinez Peck wrote
> Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't
> work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 05:06 Tim Mackinnon 

> tim@

>  wrote:
> 
>> It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to
>> JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using
>> Smalltalk”
>> (so it’s not in the past)
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng 

> horrido.hobbies@

> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> A big fan of my work created this rogue video:
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
>>
>> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
>>
>> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my
>> evangelism.
>>
>>





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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[horrido]

"Used Smalltalk" doesn't imply that they stopped using Smalltalk, esp. if
Kapital is still operational.


Tim Mackinnon wrote
> It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to
> JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using
> Smalltalk” (so it’s not in the past)
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng 

> horrido.hobbies@

>  wrote:
>> 
>> A big fan of my work created this rogue video:
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
>> 
>> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
>> 
>> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my
>> evangelism.
>>





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Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't
work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 05:06 Tim Mackinnon  wrote:

> It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to
> JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using Smalltalk”
> (so it’s not in the past)
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng 
> wrote:
>
> A big fan of my work created this rogue video:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
>
> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
>
> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my evangelism.
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

[Tim Mackinnon]

It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to 
JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using Smalltalk” (so 
it’s not in the past)

Tim

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng  
> wrote:
> 
> A big fan of my work created this rogue video: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view
> 
> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it.
> 
> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my evangelism.
>