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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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I do stock the Pathe ball tipped sapphire. Contact me off list for details.

Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
George Vollema
9496 N Woodbridge Ave
Bitely MI 49309
231-745-7175
victr...@triton.net
www.victroladoctor.com

On 10/16/2015 10:39 PM, Antique Phonograph List wrote:
Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a 
Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay.


Ric


 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold.

Ron L

*From:*Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
*Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
*To:* phono-l@oldcrank.org
*Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with 
two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for 
vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond 
discs?  If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you 
get one?




From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing 
system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that 
Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have 
everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a 
pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden 
framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll 
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what 
I'm talking about:


http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ 
<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.justanswer.com?p=eyJzIjoiNkN6a19MRXhUdURtZGtES0pOM2N1OElOb21RIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3Lmp1c3RhbnN3ZXIuY29tXFxcL2FudGlxdWVzXFxcLzVuYjkzLWdsZW5kYS1pLXF1ZXN0aW9uLXNvbm9yYS1waG9ub2dyYXBoLXJlY2VudGx5Lmh0bWwjcmUudlxcXC8xNDlcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiNTk0Y2FkMDVkYTJmNDkxN2FiZjVmMmIwMWIwYTg5NDVcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCI2YjQ4YzUzMjBkNGE3OWJiYmVjYTFlZWJhZDk0ODY4Y2U0ZmIyZGY2XCJdfSJ9>


Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell 
me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any 
help.


Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com




From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a 
mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and 
it's taken me a while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the 
paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because 
they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, some 
years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record 
folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has 
passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the 
cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical 
phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each 
half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might 
slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell 
for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?


Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet 
identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites 
show a different, smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a 
capital "H" in the center of the grille.)  I have checked the paper 
label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just 
a list of patents.


Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, 
please let me know.  Thanks!


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Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

felt vibration dampers, the felt strips along the perimeter or both?

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:42 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

Iv seen the felt on other victor machines with felt on them too, I would
assume it is correct on that basis.

 

John Robles 



 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
Date: 10/16/2015 11:05 AM (GMT-08:00) 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>,
phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question 

I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?   The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?Oh, other questions.   Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening. 

Thanks!

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[Phono-L] ARSC Research Grants Program 2016

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The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message.

--- ARSC RESEARCH GRANTS PROGRAM ---
Deadline for receipt of applications: February 29, 2016


The ARSC Research Grants Program supports scholarship and publication in the
fields of sound recording research and audio preservation. (This program is
separate from the ARSC Preservation Grants Program, which encourages and
supports the preservation of historically significant sound recordings of
Western Art Music.) Project categories eligible for consideration include:
discography, bibliography, historical studies of the sound recording
industry and its products, and any other subject likely to increase the
public's understanding and appreciation of the lasting importance of
recorded sound. ARSC encourages applications from individuals whose research
forms part of an academic program at the master's or doctoral level.

ARSC members and non-members alike are eligible for grants in amounts up to
$1000. Grant funds can be used to underwrite clerical, editorial, and travel
expenses. Funds may not be used to purchase capital equipment or recordings,
to perform operations on sound recordings, to reimburse applicants for work
already performed, or to support projects that form part of a paid job.
Grant recipients must submit documentation of their expenses before
reimbursement. All grant funds must be disbursed within eighteen months of
the grant award.

Grant recipients are required to submit brief descriptions of their projects
for publication in the ARSC Journal, and are encouraged to submit articles
about their projects, for possible publication in the Newsletter or Journal.

Research Grant Applications shall include:
-- a summary of the project (one page maximum), with samples of the work, if
possible;
-- a budget covering the entire project, highlighting the expenses the ARSC
Grant will cover (one page maximum);
-- a curriculum vitae; and
-- an indication of the prospects for publication or other public
dissemination of the project results.

Applications should be sent to:
Suzanne Flandreau
ARSC Grants Committee Chair
621 N. Fifth Street
Niles, MI 49120
U.S.A.
(Four paper copies and one electronic copy in Microsoft Word.) or
arscgra...@aol.com (E-mail attachment.)

Applications must be received by February 29, 2016.

The current Research Grant guidelines can be viewed at:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/committees/researchgrants.html

Questions about the Research Grants Program should be directed to Suzanne
Flandreau at:
arscgra...@aol.com


The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.



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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a 
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually 
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, 
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that 
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system.  
If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, 
you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +




I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe 
cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to 
get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had 
been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  
Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with 
a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record 
folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I 
can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks!

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two 
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut 
and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of 
stylus would you need, and where would you get one?

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +




I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a 
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually 
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, 
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that 
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system.  
If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, 
you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +




I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe 
cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to 
get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had 
been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  
Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with 
a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record 
folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I 
can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks!

Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

The Victor P like the R uses green felt around the perimeter of the motorboard 
or bedplate. You are correct. It's purpose is to dampen the sound.The screws 
that hold the arm are oxidized, as is the. escutcheon and screws. The crank 
should be nickel plated. Please post your name so we know who you are.Harvey 
Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>; phonol...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:13 AM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question

I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?  The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?    Oh, other questions.  Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening.

Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

It looks like the brackets are flat plates with holes in them for the rods.
If that is the case, can't you just make them?  You would know the diameter
of the rods.  You probably know the size of the plates from outlines of the
originals and you can probably map out the mounting holes from the wood as
well.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:40 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

 

I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need,
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing
system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and
look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph
-recently.html#re.v/149/
<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.justanswer.com?p=eyJzIjoibE
1neVJ4a3JuQVJCSmRJLVBXWU9jNWtTY2RRIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcIn
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h0bWwjcmUudlxcXC8xNDlcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiMGJjMGRlZjE1OWY3NDNiMDkwOGZjNGNjNm
NjMWViODVcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCI2YjQ4YzUzMjBkNGE3OWJiYmVjYTFlZWJhZDk0ODY4Y2
U0ZmIyZGY2XCJdfSJ9> 

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or
at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com




  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany
bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a
while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down
below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they
typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the
same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a
full set of record folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much
time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in
the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph,
and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of
the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in
the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt
with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying
it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let
me know.  Thanks!  

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[Phono-L] Silvertone Table Top For Sale

[Antique Phonograph List]

I have a good buddy who has a Mahogany Silvertone table top for sale. It is the 
equivalent of the Victrola IX. He is asking $65.00 with $45.00 shipping. If 
anyone is interested, contact me at harveykrav...@yahoo.com, and I will forward 
this to my buddy.Harvey Kravitz

Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

Ah, yes, I did forget to sign the post.   My apolgies.  Your information is
most helpful.  Thanks,

 

Ron L'Herault

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

The Victor P like the R uses green felt around the perimeter of the
motorboard or bedplate. You are correct. It's purpose is to dampen the
sound.The screws that hold the arm are oxidized, as is the. escutcheon and
screws. The crank should be nickel plated. Please post your name so we know
who you are.

Harvey Kravitz

 

  _  

From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>;
phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question


I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?  The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?Oh, other questions.  Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening. 

Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Silvertone Table Top For Sale

[Antique Phonograph List]

I forgot to mention, he is looking for any reasonable offers.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 3:32 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Silvertone Table Top For Sale
   
I have a good buddy who has a Mahogany Silvertone table top for sale. It is the 
equivalent of the Victrola IX. He is asking $65.00 with $45.00 shipping. If 
anyone is interested, contact me at harveykrav...@yahoo.com, and I will forward 
this to my buddy.Harvey Kravitz


   

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

 

One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for
vertical-cut and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If
so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?

  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need,
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing
system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and
look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph
-recently.html#re.v/149/
<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.justanswer.com?p=eyJzIjoiNk
N6a19MRXhUdURtZGtES0pOM2N1OElOb21RIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcIn
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U0ZmIyZGY2XCJdfSJ9> 

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or
at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com




  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany
bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a
while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down
below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they
typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the
same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a
full set of record folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much
time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in
the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph,
and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of
the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in
the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt
with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying
it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let
me know.  Thanks!  

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no 
thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
Ric


 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Date: 10/16/2015  10:04 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a 
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two 
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut 
and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of 
stylus would you need, and where would you get one?



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

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.yiv9807075353ecxhmmessage P {padding:0px;}#yiv9807075353 
.yiv9807075353ExternalClass body.yiv9807075353ecxhmmessage 
{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I posted this query last 
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing 
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little 
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of 
the wooden framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll 
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm 
talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

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.yiv9807075353ecxhmmessage P {padding:0px;}#yiv9807075353 
.yiv9807075353ExternalClass body.yiv9807075353ecxhmmessage 
{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I am in the process of 
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it 
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, 
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, 
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in 
excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no 
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks!

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball 
stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay.
Ric

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Date: 10/16/2015  10:18 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: 
Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question:  Like 
most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for 
lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs.  
Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of stylus would you 
need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about 
restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I 
have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and 
that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a 
pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden 
framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the 
third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com


From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice 
Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an 
estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, 
the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they 
had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I 
found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, 
broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition.  
Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to 
install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the 
identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each 
half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into 
some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has 
anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some 
instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks! 


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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

They are pretty hard to find.Try George Vollema(Victrola Doctor). These are 
pricey. They can cost as much a $50.00 or more. Go with somebody reliable. You 
might get one cheap and the stylus is chipped or damaged.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no 
thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
Ric


 Original message ----
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Date: 10/16/2015 10:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders



Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a 
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz

From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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body.yiv018923x_yiv9807075353hmmessage 
{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv018923 One more question:  Like 
most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for 
lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs.  
Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of stylus would you 
need, and where would you get one?



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

#yiv018923 #yiv018923 --#yiv018923x_yiv9807075353 
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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv018923 I posted this query last 
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing 
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little 
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of 
the wooden framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll 
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm 
talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

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body.yiv018923x_yiv9807075353ecxhmmessage 
{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv018923 I am in the process of 
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it 
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, 
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, 
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in 
excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no 
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of

Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi Ron, Glad to help. If you have anymore questions, post them and we will 
help.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

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{}#yiv6661439903 Ah, yes, I did forget to sign the post.   My apolgies.  Your 
information is most helpful.  Thanks,  Ron L'Herault  

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question  The Victor P like the R uses green 
felt around the perimeter of the motorboard or bedplate. You are correct. It's 
purpose is to dampen the sound.The screws that hold the arm are oxidized, as is 
the. escutcheon and screws. The crank should be nickel plated. Please post your 
name so we know who you are.Harvey Kravitz  From: Antique Phonograph List 
<phono-l@oldcrank.org>
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>; phonol...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question
I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?  The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?    Oh, other questions.  Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening.

Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a 
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv9807075353 
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One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two 
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut 
and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of 
stylus would you need, and where would you get one?



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I posted this query last 
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing 
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little 
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of 
the wooden framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll 
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm 
talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

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.yiv9807075353ExternalClass body.yiv9807075353ecxhmmessage 
{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I am in the process of 
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it 
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, 
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, 
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in 
excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no 
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks! 

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs.  He's
great to do business with and has a huge stock of parts.  Having said that,
if George can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental
technology, a "Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist).  I drilled a very small
hole in the end and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on
Columbia machines. It was ball shaped.   And I'll bet Steve Medved could
make something with one of the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in
the states.  George would be the easier way to go first though.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

 

Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe
ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay.

 

Ric



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From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders 

You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

 

One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for
vertical-cut and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If
so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?

  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need,
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing
system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and
look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph
-recently.html#re.v/149/
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Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or
at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com





  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany
bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a
while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down
below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they
typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the
same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a
full set of record folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much
time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in
the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph,
and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of
the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in
the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt
with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying
it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let
me know.  Thanks!  

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Ric, I know exactly what you need. These are tough to find because the 
envelopes are brittle, and the hardware usually gets lost or broken. Maybe 
George Vollema(Victrola Doctor) can help. He has all kinds of parts.Harvey 
Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 4:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a 
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually 
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, 
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that 
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system.  
If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, 
you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com





From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9770236001 I am in the process of 
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it 
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, 
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, 
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in 
excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no 
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks! 

Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

Interesting.   The brake and speed control that are on this machine look like 
they were nickel plated.   I'm guessing this unit was a cheaply done parts 
assembly made to look like a P.

 

Ron

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:51 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

It is oxidized to match the bedplate.

Harvey Kravitz

 

  _  

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To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

Is the little brake oxidized copper as well?

 

Ron L

 

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

The Victor P like the R uses green felt around the perimeter of the motorboard 
or bedplate. You are correct. It's purpose is to dampen the sound.The screws 
that hold the arm are oxidized, as is the. escutcheon and screws. The crank 
should be nickel plated. Please post your name so we know who you are.

Harvey Kravitz

 

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To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>; phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question


I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?  The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?Oh, other questions.  Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening. 

Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

I have one around here somewhere, but would not recommend its use.

If you have the room, I'd strongly recommend getting an Edison Diamond Disc 
phonograph. The sound will be much better and your records will be safe from 
damage.  They turn up quite regularly around here at giveaway prices - watch 
Craigslist and you will find one quickly I'm sure.

- only the Edison has a gear drive to move the heavy reproducer/tonearm across 
the record, rather than relying on friction with the side wall of the record 
groove to do so

- the Edison system is tuned for performance and really does sound great

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
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> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no 
> thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
>
> Ric
>
>
>
>  Original message ----
> From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> Date: 10/16/2015 10:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
>
> Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a 
> conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.
> Harvey Kravitz
>
> From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
>
> One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two 
> reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for 
> vertical-cut and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If 
> so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?
>
>
>
> From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +
>
> I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a 
> Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually 
> called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, 
> EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that 
> secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. 
>  If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look 
> closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:
>
> http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/
>
> Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or 
> at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Ric
> uws...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +
>
> I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe 
> cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to 
> get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had 
> been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically 
> do.  Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model 
> -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of 
> record folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has 
> passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the 
> cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and 
> it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the 
> wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the 
> bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with 
> this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions?
>
> Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
> as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
> smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
> the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
> and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.
>
> Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let 
> me know.  Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Not to mention that many Edison DD machines are still complete with their 
original collection of records, which accurately reflect the Middle-Class 
musical tastes of 100 years ago ...


- Original Message - 

If you have the room, I'd strongly recommend getting an Edison Diamond Disc 
phonograph. The sound will be much better and your records will be safe from 
damage.  They turn up quite regularly around here at giveaway prices - watch 
Craigslist and you will find one quickly I'm sure.



- only the Edison has a gear drive to move the heavy reproducer/tonearm 
across the record, rather than relying on friction with the side wall of the 
record groove to do so



- the Edison system is tuned for performance and really does sound great


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Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

Iv seen the felt on other victor machines with felt on them too, I would assume 
it is correct on that basis.
John Robles 

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Date: 10/16/2015  11:05 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>, phonol...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question

I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?   The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?    Oh, other questions.   Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening.

Thanks!

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[Phono-L] Amazing find - Flat top Pooley VTLA

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Hello all
Add me to your club, Loran.
A couple of weeks ago, a friend emailed me to ask if a VTLA was worth buying. 
Not sure if it was a flat top or an early Victrola XVI L-door, I told him it 
was a scarce machine depending on which type it was.  He is located in Nevada 
and found the ad on Craigslist, located in Millbrae, which is just south of San 
Francisco. I checked out the ad, which had just been placed 13 hours before. It 
was indeed a flat top Pooley VTLA!  Being the fair minded person I try to be, i 
asked if he was going to buy it, and he said he decided not to.  I emailed the 
seller on the spot and asked if it was still available. They emailed back and 
said it was. In their photos on the ad, it showed large aluminum turntable 
(??), no bullet brake and no tonearm.  I asked if those parts were there, and 
she said yes, except the brake. She sent a separate photo showing the parts, 
including a very cool wooden needle box and an extra back portion of an 
Exhibition reproducer.  In the photos online, the record boxes were not shown 
so  assum they were absent.  I asked about it, and she said she did have them!  
I told her she could consider it sold and I would arrange for pickup within the 
next day or so. I couldn't get off work because three of my staff were out 
sick, so I paid a friend of mine to take my truck and go get it before it could 
be sold out from under me. He and a buddy team drove up there (it is a 12-14 
hour round trip) and brought it back to me.
I received it last Friday night at 1:00 a.m.  What a thrill! I took pics and 
will upload them to Photo Bucket so you can see them.By the way...it has a very 
cool label inside it, unlike any other Victrola label.  It says the machine is 
not to be sold for less than $200.00. Which is good. Because that is what it 
cost me!!
John Robles

[Phono-L] Regina Hexaphone Door Lock

[Antique Phonograph List]

 I have available what I believe to be the correct lock for a Regina
Hexaphone 104, 103, and possibly others. It is the larger size Yale lock. I
don't have a 104 to check, but I am pretty sure it is correct.
The lock functions perfectly and has the original key with it. A super hard
to find piece if you need it.
I can provide dimensions for the lock and a picture for those with
interest.



The price is $75.00. Shipping is additional and no PayPal. Checks are fine.



Please contact mshawnorou...@gmail.com with interest.


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[Phono-L] ARSC Conference 2016: Bloomington, Indiana

[Antique Phonograph List]

The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message.

--- SAVE THE DATES: 2016 ARSC CONFERENCE, BLOOMINGTON, INDIANA ---

2016 marks the 50th anniversary of the founding of the Association for
Recorded Sound Collections.

For our 50th annual conference, we return to the location of our first one .
. . Bloomington, Indiana! The conference will be held May 11-14, 2016, in
Bloomington, Indiana, and is hosted by Indiana University at Bloomington.
"Recorded Sound in the 21st Century: Preserving, Collecting, Collaborating &
Connecting" is the theme for the conference.

While in Bloomington, don't forget to explore some of the local attractions,
such as the Hoagy Carmichael Room at the Archives of Traditional Music, the
Indiana University Art Museum, Mathers Museum of World Cultures, and
WonderLab. 

Stay tuned for more details about the conference and workshop, including a
two-day audio archiving boot camp based on the recently published "ARSC
Guide to Audio Preservation."

More information will be posted at:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference.html

Questions regarding the conference should be directed to Brenda
Nelson-Strauss, ARSC Conference Manager, at bnels...@indiana.edu



The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.



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[Phono-L] ARSC Conference 2016: Call for Presentation Proposals

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The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message.

 

--- 2016 ARSC CONFERENCE: CALL FOR PRESENTATION PROPOSALS ---

Proposal deadline: January 3, 2016

 

The Association for Recorded Sound Collections invites proposals for
presentations at its 50th annual conference, to be held May 11-14, 2016, at
Indiana University, in Bloomington, Indiana. The theme for the conference is
"Recorded Sound in the 21st Century: Preserving, Collecting, Collaborating &
Connecting."

 

ARSC welcomes papers on the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in
all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. We
seek papers and panels that are informative, display a passion for their
subjects, and include compelling audiovisual content. Share your special
interests with our engaged community of collectors, historians, musicians,
preservationists, archivists, and audio engineers.

 

Possible topics may include, but are not limited to:

-- Collaborative research, preservation/access projects, and community
archiving projects

-- Indiana-based or regional musicians, record labels, studios, scholars,
and personalities

-- Recorded sound in digital humanities, soundscapes, sound art, and sound
studies

-- Audio preservation workflows and collections management techniques

-- Collecting and curatorial challenges from born digital media to mixtapes
and beyond.

 

The deadline for presentation proposals is January 3, 2016. Receipt will be
acknowledged by e-mail. Presenters will be notified of acceptance
approximately one month thereafter.

 

You may submit your proposal using this form:

http://tinyurl.com/arsc2016

 

For more information, visit: 

http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference.html

 

Questions about the Call for Proposals should be directed to Will Chase,
ARSC Program

Chair:

arsc2016confere...@gmail.com

 

 

The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.

Re: [Phono-L] [Electrola] FW: [MOCAPS-L] Victor Electrola model 10-51 record changer

[Antique Phonograph List]

I know this could sound sacrilegious, but have you considered driving the big 
horn with a modern driver? By that I mean one of the current iPod style 
earphones, driven by your OWL, with a very airtight connection at the tonearm. 
This way you remove the limitations of the old Victor driver and RCA amp, which 
certainly will not have a very good frequency response.

I'm guessing the OWL preamp will have sufficient power to drive that earphone, 
and you gain efficiency with the airtight connection to the horn. However you 
may need to put a small modern amp in between.

The current earphones are astounding in how well they reproduce low 
frequencies. Maybe give it a shot in the interim, while you work on getting 
your archaic-style setup working.

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, 'Ron' r...@roscotron.com [Electrola] 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> From: mocap...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mocap...@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:38 PM
> To: mocap...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MOCAPS-L] Victor Electrola model 10-51 record changer
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone;
>
> I have some interest in the Victor 10-51 record changer, which as most of you 
> know is the all-electronic version of the model I own, the all-acoustic model 
> 10-50 Victrola, the first record changer.  The 10-51 Electrola is as scarce 
> as hen’s teeth, so I don’t ever hope to own one.
>
>
>
> I’m particularly interested in the electronic circuitry used to drive the 
> horn driver, which I own.  Ron L’Herault and I played around with my 10-50 by 
> connecting the horn driver in place of the sound box and driving the horn 
> driver from a 10W PA amplifier using the 70.7 volt tap on the output 
> transformer.  The amplifier really didn’t have enough voltage to drive the 
> horn driver without distorting on sound peaks.  So I have been searching the 
> literature for schematics showing how the horn driver was originally driven 
> from the original 10-51 amplifier.  Its 1.2k ohm dc resistance leads me to 
> wonder if the horn driver wasn’t the plate load on a triode, or something 
> like that.
>
>
>
> I own a copy of the Revised and Abridged Edition of the RCA Victor Service 
> Data Volume 1 1923-1937 and there are two schematics for the 10-51 on page 
> 46A.  Additionally, the index tells me that there is supplementary info on 
> the 10-51 on page 239A of the same manual.  Unfortunately in my copy, the 
> pages go directly from page 238B to page 239B, skipping page 239A!!!
>
>
>
> So the primary purpose of this epistle is to ask any of you who own this 
> manual or another similar manual that contains info on the 10-51 to check and 
> see if you have page 239A, or supplementary info on the model Victor 
> Electrola 10-51.
>
>
>
> Also, I should explain that my purpose in these investigations is to hear 
> “scroll” recordings played through the giant logarithmic horn with the bass 
> frequencies restored.  When electrical recording was introduced, recording 
> engineers had to reduce the bass frequencies’ amplitude by rolling off the 
> bass below ~300 Hz to prevent having to reduce playing time of a disc due to 
> the wider groove spacing needed for large low-frequency groove excursions.  
> When you play back one of these electrical “scroll” records acoustically, 
> there is no way to add a compensating bass boost in playback to cancel out 
> the bass rolloff used in recording.  I am using a 78rpm record changer with a 
> GE VR1 magnetic cartridge connected to an OWL 1 restoration preamp which can 
> supply the required playback bass boost.  My goal is to be able to play a 
> disc, say an organ recording with lots of nice pedal tones, first 
> electrically with the bass boost added back in, and then acoustically with 
> the original 10-50 sound box for comparison.  So far the bass boost is 
> working fine, although the overall loudness of the electrical playback is low 
> compared to the acoustical playback due to amplifier/interface problems as 
> outlined above.  It’s very important when comparing two playback methods to 
> have the loudness level the same for both playbacks.
>
>
>
> If anyone can supply page 239A I would greatly appreciate it.  Hopefully I 
> will demonstrate this scheme at a future MOCAPS meeting.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Ron Roscoe
>
>
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Re: [Phono-L] [Electrola] FW: [MOCAPS-L] Victor Electrola model 10-51 record changer

[Antique Phonograph List]

I know this could sound sacrilegious, but have you considered driving the big 
horn with a modern driver? By that I mean one of the current iPod style 
earphones, driven by your OWL, with a very airtight connection at the tonearm. 
This way you remove the limitations of the old Victor driver and RCA amp, which 
certainly will not have a very good frequency response.

I'm guessing the OWL preamp will have sufficient power to drive that earphone, 
and you gain efficiency with the airtight connection to the horn. However you 
may need to put a small modern amp in between.

The current earphones are astounding in how well they reproduce low 
frequencies. Maybe give it a shot in the interim, while you work on getting 
your archaic-style setup working.

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, 'Ron' r...@roscotron.com [Electrola] 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> From: mocap...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mocap...@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:38 PM
> To: mocap...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MOCAPS-L] Victor Electrola model 10-51 record changer
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone;
>
> I have some interest in the Victor 10-51 record changer, which as most of you 
> know is the all-electronic version of the model I own, the all-acoustic model 
> 10-50 Victrola, the first record changer.  The 10-51 Electrola is as scarce 
> as hen’s teeth, so I don’t ever hope to own one.
>
>
>
> I’m particularly interested in the electronic circuitry used to drive the 
> horn driver, which I own.  Ron L’Herault and I played around with my 10-50 by 
> connecting the horn driver in place of the sound box and driving the horn 
> driver from a 10W PA amplifier using the 70.7 volt tap on the output 
> transformer.  The amplifier really didn’t have enough voltage to drive the 
> horn driver without distorting on sound peaks.  So I have been searching the 
> literature for schematics showing how the horn driver was originally driven 
> from the original 10-51 amplifier.  Its 1.2k ohm dc resistance leads me to 
> wonder if the horn driver wasn’t the plate load on a triode, or something 
> like that.
>
>
>
> I own a copy of the Revised and Abridged Edition of the RCA Victor Service 
> Data Volume 1 1923-1937 and there are two schematics for the 10-51 on page 
> 46A.  Additionally, the index tells me that there is supplementary info on 
> the 10-51 on page 239A of the same manual.  Unfortunately in my copy, the 
> pages go directly from page 238B to page 239B, skipping page 239A!!!
>
>
>
> So the primary purpose of this epistle is to ask any of you who own this 
> manual or another similar manual that contains info on the 10-51 to check and 
> see if you have page 239A, or supplementary info on the model Victor 
> Electrola 10-51.
>
>
>
> Also, I should explain that my purpose in these investigations is to hear 
> “scroll” recordings played through the giant logarithmic horn with the bass 
> frequencies restored.  When electrical recording was introduced, recording 
> engineers had to reduce the bass frequencies’ amplitude by rolling off the 
> bass below ~300 Hz to prevent having to reduce playing time of a disc due to 
> the wider groove spacing needed for large low-frequency groove excursions.  
> When you play back one of these electrical “scroll” records acoustically, 
> there is no way to add a compensating bass boost in playback to cancel out 
> the bass rolloff used in recording.  I am using a 78rpm record changer with a 
> GE VR1 magnetic cartridge connected to an OWL 1 restoration preamp which can 
> supply the required playback bass boost.  My goal is to be able to play a 
> disc, say an organ recording with lots of nice pedal tones, first 
> electrically with the bass boost added back in, and then acoustically with 
> the original 10-50 sound box for comparison.  So far the bass boost is 
> working fine, although the overall loudness of the electrical playback is low 
> compared to the acoustical playback due to amplifier/interface problems as 
> outlined above.  It’s very important when comparing two playback methods to 
> have the loudness level the same for both playbacks.
>
>
>
> If anyone can supply page 239A I would greatly appreciate it.  Hopefully I 
> will demonstrate this scheme at a future MOCAPS meeting.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Ron Roscoe
>
>
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[Phono-L] New Hexaphone Reproducer Brush!

[Antique Phonograph List]

Folks, 

Here is an opportunity to upgrade to your Hexaphone. The Automatic Reginaphone 
model 100, and Hexaphone models 101, 102 and 103 were sold a clip on brush for 
the reproducer. Most of these brushes went missing over the years. And to find 
an original today is nearly impossible! 

Well, we've made a limited production run of faithfully reproduced Hexaphone 
clip on brushes for the Automatic Reginaphone model 100, and Hexaphone models 
101, 102 and 103. The brushes not only complete and dress up your machine, they 
function really well. I now have a picture of one so you can see how it looks. 
It just clips on the top of the reproducer with the brush facing forward. It 
works really well!

When these are gone, they are gone. They are very complex to make and there 
won't be another run!

Pictures available on request.

The price is $65.00 each. No Paypal, but checks are fine. Shipping in the US is 
a flat $6.50. 

If you have questions, just drop me a note at: mshawnorou...@gmail.com

Shawn


Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954

[Phono-L] Edison Opera or Idelia Crank for Sale

[Antique Phonograph List]

I have a very nice example of an Edison Opera or Idelia crank for sale.  I
am not sure which, or if there is even a dimensional difference between the
two.   This crank fits my Oak Opera well, but of course would only be
correct for a Mahogany Opera.

This is a hard to find crank that comes available separate from a machine
very seldom. It has very good oxidizing, a wonderful mahogany knob, and
presents really well.

The price is $295.00.  Shipping additional.  No PayPal, but checks are fine.
Contact with interest.  mshawnorou...@gmail.com

Shawn


Shawn O'Rourke
(248) 915 0954 <#>[image: Inline image 1] <#>

[Phono-L] Listening Tube Set with Original Volume Control Attachment

[Antique Phonograph List]

Here is a very cool item that will dress up your early Edison, Columbia, Amet 
etc. machine.  This is a set of listening tubes with an original volume control 
attachment.  They have new, hand-made rubber tubes that are as close as you 
will ever find to the original.  As well, the "Y" and ear pieces are exact 
duplicates of the original.  The tubes have internal wires as the original 
would as well.

The volume control connector at the end of the tubing that fits on to the 
reproducer is 100% original.  This one is early, being made specifically for 
listening tubes.  Sound can be muffled by shifting the lever left or right.  
There is a small “s” on the tang jutting out the front side of the volume 
control.  This represents “Shut.” There is a corresponding “o” on the other 
side representing “Open.” This is an awesome addition to these tubes as you can 
control the volume of the record you are listening to with the tubes.  Not 
found often, this volume control is a neat find.

I have a couple of these sets.  They are available on a first come, first serve 
basis and I expect they will go fast. They really add interest to your cylinder 
machine.  I can provide pictures to those who have serious interest.

The price is $85.00 each.  Shipping additional.  No PayPal, but checks are fine.

Contact with interest.  mshawnorou...@gmail.com

Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954

[Phono-L] ARSC Preservation Grants Program 2016

[Antique Phonograph List]

The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message.

--- ARSC PRESERVATION GRANTS PROGRAM ---
Deadline for receipt of applications: December 15, 2015


The ARSC Program for the Preservation of Classical Music Historical
Recordings was founded by Al Schlachtmeyer and the ARSC Board of Directors
to encourage and support the preservation of historically significant sound
recordings of Western Art Music by individuals and organizations. (This
program is separate from the ARSC Research Grants Program, which supports
scholarship and publication in the fields of sound recording research and
audio preservation.)

The ARSC Program for the Preservation of Classical Music Historical
Recordings will consider funding:

-- Projects involving preservation, in any valid and reasonable fashion,
such as providing a collection with proper climate control, moving a
collection to facilities with proper storage conditions, re-sleeving a
collection of discs, setting up a volunteer project to organize and
inventory a stored collection, rescuing recordings from danger, copying
recordings from endangered or unstable media, etc.

-- Projects promoting public access to recordings.

-- Projects involving commercial as well as private, instantaneous
recordings.

-- Projects involving collections anywhere in the world. (Non-U.S.
applicants are encouraged to apply.)

The program is administered by an ARSC Grants Committee including the chair,
a member of the ARSC Technical Committee, and an expert on classical music.

Grant amounts generally range from $2,000 to $10,000. Grant projects should
be completed within 24 months. Written notification of decisions on projects
will be made approximately three months after the submission deadline.

Applications may be sent as an e-mail attachment to arscgra...@aol.com

Applications should be Word documents in Normal formatting, 12-point font,
with accompanying letters and other materials scanned into PDF files.

For further details, guidelines, and application instructions, visit:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/committees/preservationgrants.html

Grant applications must be received by December 15, 2015.

Questions about the Preservation Grants Program should be directed to Grants
Committee Chair Suzanne Flandreau at arscgra...@aol.com


The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.




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Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved

[Antique Phonograph List]

Or
George Vollema may have spare barrels or shafts. That is an uncommon motor
but you never know.
-Barry


On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Antique Phonograph List <
phono-l@oldcrank.org> wrote:

> Hi Steve ~
> Timesavers clock parts supplier in AZ sells brass bushings for clock
> spring barrels. One of these might possibly be modified (though I expect
> most they offer are smaller, in addition to being brass), or could serve as
> a visual model for turning a new bushing out on a lathe, to fit the arbor,
> which would also have to be cleaned up where it goes through the bushing.
> An arbor press should take care of the bushing installation.
> Andy Baron
>
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> wrote:
>
> The problem is the single spring barrel, it is very loose.  The problem is
> the inner shaft is worn and the hole in the brass gear that the inner shaft
> goes in is also worn.  I really appreciate both replies so I know I am not
> missing a spacer.
>
> Steve
>
>
> --
> From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:31:56 +
>
> Yes brass bushing is pressed into cover, not suppose to be removable, but
> could be worn.
>
> Thank you,
> Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
> George Vollema
> 9496 N Woodbridge Ave
> Bitely MI 49309231-745-7175victr...@triton.netwww.victroladoctor.com 
> <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.victroladoctor.com?p=eyJzIjoiN2ZlLVRJbzJ6b01vOWtWQUIxR0MtaHo0VzVBIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LnZpY3Ryb2xhZG9jdG9yLmNvbVwiLFwiaWRcIjpcIjAyYjFhMzNmMTRkYjQ2NjFhNTVkMDNlMWZmYTIyODVhXCIsXCJ1cmxfaWRzXCI6W1wiOGFkMGZjZjk2NDQ1MzRiYzIyNzE4MzcwZGM4Njk3YmVlNzhiOGQwOVwiXX0ifQ>
>
> On 9/21/2015 11:01 AM, Antique Phonograph List wrote:
>
> Doesn't one of the barrels have a brass "bearing" that slips into the
> steel cover?  Could that bearing have slipped out unnoticed (don't ask me
> how I know this can happen).   And/or do the covers have different size
> holes such that swapping them creates difficulties?
>
>
> Ron L
>
>
> *From:* Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org
> <phono-l@oldcrank.org>]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2015 9:07 AM
> *To:* Antique Phonograph List
> *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved
>
>
> No, but I suspect you have badly worn shaft and/or holes in the barrels
> and cover allowing the barrel to wobble so to speak.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
>
> George Vollema
>
> 9496 N Woodbridge Ave
>
> Bitely MI 49309
>
> 231-745-7175
>
> victr...@triton.net
>
> www.victroladoctor.com 
> <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.victroladoctor.com?p=eyJzIjoiV3BLZnF4V0tra3ZBRXlVSWR1OWZVTkdlVHZnIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LnZpY3Ryb2xhZG9jdG9yLmNvbVwiLFwiaWRcIjpcImJkZGYzMGQ1OTg3MDQ3MGU4OWIwMWM3YjRkNGVlNTFjXCIsXCJ1cmxfaWRzXCI6W1wiOGFkMGZjZjk2NDQ1MzRiYzIyNzE4MzcwZGM4Njk3YmVlNzhiOGQwOVwiXX0ifQ>
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2015 5:57 PM, Antique Phonograph List wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a Victor VI I got back in 1984, I greased the springs and when I
> wound the motor the single spring barrel would flex and cause the gears not
> to mesh and I solved this by putting felt between the single and double
> barrel.  Is there a spacer that goes there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>


-- 
-Barry

Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved

[Antique Phonograph List]

The problem is the single spring barrel, it is very loose.  The problem is the 
inner shaft is worn and the hole in the brass gear that the inner shaft goes in 
is also worn.  I really appreciate both replies so I know I am not missing a 
spacer.  
 
Steve 
 
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:31:56 +


  

  
  
Yes brass bushing is pressed into cover, not suppose to be
removable, but could be worn.

Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
George Vollema
9496 N Woodbridge Ave
Bitely MI 49309
231-745-7175
victr...@triton.net
www.victroladoctor.com


On 9/21/2015 11:01 AM, Antique
  Phonograph List wrote:



  
  
  
  
  
Doesn't
one of the barrels have a brass "bearing" that slips into
the steel cover?  Could that bearing have slipped out
unnoticed (don't ask me how I know this can happen).  
And/or do the covers have different size holes such that
swapping them creates difficulties?
 
Ron
L
 

  
From:
        Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:07 AM

    To: Antique Phonograph List

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor
Medved
  

 
No, but I suspect you have badly worn shaft
  and/or holes in the barrels and cover allowing the barrel to
  wobble so to speak. 

  

  
Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
George Vollema
9496 N Woodbridge Ave
Bitely MI 49309
231-745-7175
victr...@triton.net
www.victroladoctor.com
 

  On 9/20/2015 5:57 PM, Antique Phonograph
    List wrote:


  
Hello,

   

  I have a Victor VI I got
back in 1984, I greased the springs and when I wound the
motor the single spring barrel would flex and cause the
gears not to mesh and I solved this by putting felt
between the single and double barrel.  Is there a spacer
that goes there?

   

  Thanks,

   

  Steve 
   
  
  



  
  
  



  

Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi Steve ~
Timesavers clock parts supplier in AZ sells brass bushings for clock spring 
barrels. One of these might possibly be modified (though I expect most they 
offer are smaller, in addition to being brass), or could serve as a visual 
model for turning a new bushing out on a lathe, to fit the arbor, which would 
also have to be cleaned up where it goes through the bushing. An arbor press 
should take care of the bushing installation.
Andy Baron

On Sep 22, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
wrote:

> The problem is the single spring barrel, it is very loose.  The problem is 
> the inner shaft is worn and the hole in the brass gear that the inner shaft 
> goes in is also worn.  I really appreciate both replies so I know I am not 
> missing a spacer.  
>  
> Steve 
> 
>  
> From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:31:56 +
> 
> Yes brass bushing is pressed into cover, not suppose to be removable, but 
> could be worn.
> Thank you,
> Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
> George Vollema
> 9496 N Woodbridge Ave
> Bitely MI 49309
> 231-745-7175
> victr...@triton.net
> www.victroladoctor.com
> 
> On 9/21/2015 11:01 AM, Antique Phonograph List wrote:
> Doesn't one of the barrels have a brass "bearing" that slips into the steel 
> cover?  Could that bearing have slipped out unnoticed (don't ask me how I 
> know this can happen).   And/or do the covers have different size holes such 
> that swapping them creates difficulties?
>  
> Ron L
>  
> From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:07 AM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved
>  
> No, but I suspect you have badly worn shaft and/or holes in the barrels and 
> cover allowing the barrel to wobble so to speak. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
> George Vollema
> 9496 N Woodbridge Ave
> Bitely MI 49309
> 231-745-7175
> victr...@triton.net
> www.victroladoctor.com
>  
> On 9/20/2015 5:57 PM, Antique Phonograph List wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> I have a Victor VI I got back in 1984, I greased the springs and when I wound 
> the motor the single spring barrel would flex and cause the gears not to mesh 
> and I solved this by putting felt between the single and double barrel.  Is 
> there a spacer that goes there?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Steve 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved

[Antique Phonograph List]

Yes brass bushing is pressed into cover, not suppose to be removable, 
but could be worn.


Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
George Vollema
9496 N Woodbridge Ave
Bitely MI 49309
231-745-7175
victr...@triton.net
www.victroladoctor.com

On 9/21/2015 11:01 AM, Antique Phonograph List wrote:


Doesn't one of the barrels have a brass "bearing" that slips into the 
steel cover?  Could that bearing have slipped out unnoticed (don't ask 
me how I know this can happen). And/or do the covers have different 
size holes such that swapping them creates difficulties?


Ron L

*From:*Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2015 9:07 AM
*To:* Antique Phonograph List
*Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved

No, but I suspect you have badly worn shaft and/or holes in the 
barrels and cover allowing the barrel to wobble so to speak.


Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
George Vollema
9496 N Woodbridge Ave
Bitely MI 49309
231-745-7175
victr...@triton.net <mailto:victr...@triton.net>
www.victroladoctor.com 
<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.victroladoctor.com?p=eyJzIjoiV3BLZnF4V0tra3ZBRXlVSWR1OWZVTkdlVHZnIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LnZpY3Ryb2xhZG9jdG9yLmNvbVwiLFwiaWRcIjpcImJkZGYzMGQ1OTg3MDQ3MGU4OWIwMWM3YjRkNGVlNTFjXCIsXCJ1cmxfaWRzXCI6W1wiOGFkMGZjZjk2NDQ1MzRiYzIyNzE4MzcwZGM4Njk3YmVlNzhiOGQwOVwiXX0ifQ>


On 9/20/2015 5:57 PM, Antique Phonograph List wrote:

Hello,

I have a Victor VI I got back in 1984, I greased the springs and
when I wound the motor the single spring barrel would flex and
cause the gears not to mesh and I solved this by putting felt
between the single and double barrel.  Is there a spacer that goes
there?

Thanks,

Steve

Image removed by sender.


Image removed by sender.

Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved

[Antique Phonograph List]

Doesn't one of the barrels have a brass "bearing" that slips into the steel 
cover?  Could that bearing have slipped out unnoticed (don't ask me how I know 
this can happen).   And/or do the covers have different size holes such that 
swapping them creates difficulties?

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:07 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved

 

No, but I suspect you have badly worn shaft and/or holes in the barrels and 
cover allowing the barrel to wobble so to speak. 



Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
George Vollema
9496 N Woodbridge Ave
Bitely MI 49309
231-745-7175
victr...@triton.net
www.victroladoctor.com 
<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.victroladoctor.com?p=eyJzIjoiV3BLZnF4V0tra3ZBRXlVSWR1OWZVTkdlVHZnIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LnZpY3Ryb2xhZG9jdG9yLmNvbVwiLFwiaWRcIjpcImJkZGYzMGQ1OTg3MDQ3MGU4OWIwMWM3YjRkNGVlNTFjXCIsXCJ1cmxfaWRzXCI6W1wiOGFkMGZjZjk2NDQ1MzRiYzIyNzE4MzcwZGM4Njk3YmVlNzhiOGQwOVwiXX0ifQ>
 
 

On 9/20/2015 5:57 PM, Antique Phonograph List wrote:

Hello,
 
I have a Victor VI I got back in 1984, I greased the springs and when I wound 
the motor the single spring barrel would flex and cause the gears not to mesh 
and I solved this by putting felt between the single and double barrel.  Is 
there a spacer that goes there?
 
Thanks,
 
Steve 
 

Image removed by sender.


Image removed by sender.

[Phono-L] Victor V or VI motor Medved

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hello,
 
I have a Victor VI I got back in 1984, I greased the springs and when I wound 
the motor the single spring barrel would flex and cause the gears not to mesh 
and I solved this by putting felt between the single and double barrel.  Is 
there a spacer that goes there?
 
Thanks,
 
Steve  
  

[Phono-L] Coming to the Wayne Show!

[Antique Phonograph List]

Looking forward to a Wayne Phonograph show in a couple of weeks. 

Along with all of my reprinted paper, I'll have a couple of items of interest 
including: 


Very rare Eldridge Johnson New Century Reproducer

Nice Edison Red Gem

Columbia AT recorder


Hope to see everyone there!

Shawn

Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954

[Phono-L] Coming to Wayne - Additional

[Antique Phonograph List]

Looking forward to a Wayne Phonograph show in a couple of weeks.

Along with all of my reprinted paper, I'll have another item that I forgot to 
post previously

• Near mint Edison Idelia or Opera crank

Hope to see everyone there!

Shawn

Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954

[Phono-L] FW: Martinelli Diamond Disc Question

[Antique Phonograph List]

 

 

  _  

From: Jim Cartwright [mailto:jim...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 1:48 PM
To: phon...@cylinder.de
Subject: Martinelli Diamond Disc Question

 

I have two copies of Edison diamond 82515 by Italian tenor Giovanni
Martinelli which show different "takes," those on one disc designated by the
usual letter & those on the other disc designated by an arabic number:

 

LA BOHEME: Racconto di Rodolfo (Che gelida manina) (1229-2,
1229-A)/RIGOLETTO: La donna e mobile (1231-4, 1231-C)

 

Can any of you help me sort this out?

 

 

Jim Cartwright

IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC

"Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971"

1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA

(512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net

 

 

Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

PRICE REDUCED to US$800 + shipping (and PayPal fees if that's how you choose to 
pay).

Cheers,
Mario

Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Jul 2015, at 12:38 pm, Mario Frazzetto ma...@frazzetto.me wrote:
 
 Do all examples have the straight crank or only up to a certain point? Looks 
 like a match made in heaven to me...
 
 Cheers,
 Mario
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 20 Jul 2015, at 12:30 pm, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi art
 I have one and the crank is flat
 It's a hard crank to find 
 Howard had told me
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Can you tell me what a straight crank is?  I don't see it described in 
 the Hazelcorn book.  I have the Columbia Phonograph Companion of 1999.  Is 
 there a page number?  Or is there another book?
 Thanks, Art Heller
  
 In a message dated 7/19/2015 4:24:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:
 Hi Mario
 If you read Hazelcorn
 Book. It should be a straight crank but machine looks good
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 19, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Hi Rob,
 
 That's the crank that I got when I bought it. Always thought it was 
 correct but I guess I could be mistaken. Haven't seen another here for 
 comparison.
 Cheers,
 Mario 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 11:59 pm, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Hi
 Do you have the straight crank that came with it originally 
 Thanks
 Zono rob
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 It reads as follows:
 
 -
 Geo. W. Till
 Agent
 315 Fulton St.
 Town of Union, NJ
 -
 
 Best Regards,
 Mario
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you 
 transcribe it please?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm offering this for sale from my collection because I need to let a 
 few things go. I've had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of 
 the fiber gear is a little worn but the machine is in running order. I 
 was looking for US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a 
 original dealer stamp on the underside of the lid as you might notice.
 
 Enjoy the pics!
 
 Mario
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Mysterious Brunswick Phonograph

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hmm, very early type or maybe a foreign made Brunny?   Have you checked the
Brunswick book on the APS website?

 

http://www.antiquephono.org/category/book-feature/

 

Don't forget the new list software does not show who a message is from so if
you want personalized or off list responses, please sign your messages.

 

Ron L'Herault

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:34 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Mysterious Brunswick Phonograph

 

Recently I found an old Brunswick that's a real odd duck. It doesn't look
like any Brunswick I've ever seen, doesn't have an Ultona reproducer, the
grille doesn't look like anything I've ever seen on a Brunswick, the horn
doesn't look like any I've ever seen in a Brunswick, the cabinet doesn't
look like any other Brunswick cabinet I've ever seen, and even the decal is
different.  Anyone have any idea what this is? I'm stumped. 

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[Phono-L] Mysterious Brunswick Phonograph

[Antique Phonograph List]

Recently I found an old Brunswick that's a real odd duck. It doesn't look like 
any Brunswick I've ever seen, doesn't have an Ultona reproducer, the grille 
doesn't look like anything I've ever seen on a Brunswick, the horn doesn't look 
like any I've ever seen in a Brunswick, the cabinet doesn't look like any other 
Brunswick cabinet I've ever seen, and even the decal is different.  Anyone have 
any idea what this is? I'm stumped. 
  

Re: [Phono-L] Mysterious Brunswick Phonograph

[Antique Phonograph List]

This is an early Brunswick made from about 1915-16 before the Ultona arm was 
used. I have this machine with the Ultona upgrade along with the original arm 
and reproducers. You don't see these machines very often.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mysterious Brunswick Phonograph

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software does not show who a message is from so if you want personalized or off 
list responses, please sign your messages.  Ron L'Herault  

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:34 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Mysterious Brunswick Phonograph  Recently I found an old 
Brunswick that's a real odd duck. It doesn't look like any Brunswick I've ever 
seen, doesn't have an Ultona reproducer, the grille doesn't look like anything 
I've ever seen on a Brunswick, the horn doesn't look like any I've ever seen in 
a Brunswick, the cabinet doesn't look like any other Brunswick cabinet I've 
ever seen, and even the decal is different.  Anyone have any idea what this is? 
I'm stumped.

Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17

[Antique Phonograph List]

Courtesy, lad, courtesy - sadly lacking in the kids of 
today...obviously.  And he obviously doesn't know it's broken.  And it 
might not be - could be a ratchet gear problem.  And if it is, and he 
said he can lift the board, he should be able to get a pair of pliers in 
to hold a shaft.


Antique Phonograph List wrote:
What does his/her name have to do with anything? And it seems he/she 
already knows it's got a broken spring. I don't have any experience 
with these, so I don't have any advice to offer. Wish I did. But I've 
got lots of advice for the person who wrote that snarky response...




Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: 08/24/2015 7:07 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17

Anybody wanna identify themselves...then maybe someone will tell you 
it's got a broken spring.


Antique Phonograph List wrote:
A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their 
barn, and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very 
odd problem:  I can't remove the crank.  It turns, but nothing 
happens with the motor; when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank 
doesn't unthread from the shaft, probably because there is nothing to 
stop the shaft from turning.  I managed to lift up the motor board 
enough to see that this is the case, and that the barrel is turning, 
but not the gears.  Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first 
detaching the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the 
latter happen.  The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor 
(anyone know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, 
but those screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an 
ill-advised idea anyway.  (I already stripped them all a little just 
trying to get them to turn.)  Any thoughts on what is wrong with it, 
and what I should do next?  It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to 
walk away from it if I don't have to.


Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either.  It doesn't 
appear to be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be 
otherwise...

[Phono-L] alligatored finish on a cabinet

[Antique Phonograph List]

Following up on a previous post, how do you deal with a cabinet with an 
alligatored finish?  I'm not sure I've ever come across a mahogany crank 
phonograph that DIDN'T have an alligatored finish (with the possible exception 
of some tabletops, for some reason), so perhaps they're inevitable and thus 
shouldn't bother me, but they do; are the only options to live with the machine 
as it, or re-finish it?  The latter is something I would not likely be able to 
do myself (no workshop at present), but I know having someone else do it for 
you can be a very expensive proposition.  How do you feel about/deal with 
alligatored cabinets?  Refinish?  Ignore?  Don't buy the machine at all?
  

Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17

[Antique Phonograph List]

What does his/her name have to do with anything? And it seems he/she already 
knows it's got a broken spring. I don't have any experience with these, so I 
don't have any advice to offer. Wish I did. But I've got lots of advice for the 
person who wrote that snarky response...


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: 08/24/2015  7:07 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17

Anybody wanna identify themselves...then maybe someone will tell you
it's got a broken spring.

Antique Phonograph List wrote:
 A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their
 barn, and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very
 odd problem:  I can't remove the crank.  It turns, but nothing happens
 with the motor; when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't
 unthread from the shaft, probably because there is nothing to stop the
 shaft from turning.  I managed to lift up the motor board enough to
 see that this is the case, and that the barrel is turning, but not the
 gears.  Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first detaching
 the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the latter
 happen.  The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor (anyone
 know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, but those
 screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an
 ill-advised idea anyway.  (I already stripped them all a little just
 trying to get them to turn.)  Any thoughts on what is wrong with it,
 and what I should do next?  It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to walk
 away from it if I don't have to.

 Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either.  It doesn't
 appear to be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be
 otherwise...

Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17

[Antique Phonograph List]

Can you detach the motor plate from the wood at its hinge?   If you can take
the crank knob off and take off the crank escutcheon, you might be able to
remove the motor with the crank or at least get the winding shaft in
position to hold it with a pair of pliers so that you can undo the crank.
I seem to recall a gear in the winding chain of gears that can go bad.  If
that is the case, I may have a spare.  A neighbor made two for me many years
ago.  Or, if the center spindle turns backwards with the crank, can you grab
that with pliers (protect the shaft surface with a bit of leather perhaps?

 

The reproducer is probably pot metal, even if the plating looks good.  That
it does not turn is a problem.   You might be able to get it off with the
freezer trick.   Remove the positioning pin and spring first.  Add
penetrating oil.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:43 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17

 

A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their barn,
and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very odd problem:
I can't remove the crank.  It turns, but nothing happens with the motor;
when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't unthread from the
shaft, probably because there is nothing to stop the shaft from turning.  I
managed to lift up the motor board enough to see that this is the case, and
that the barrel is turning, but not the gears.  Obviously, I can't remove
the motor without first detaching the crank, but there doesn't seem to be
any way to make the latter happen.  The only thing I can think of is to
detach the motor (anyone know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor
plate, but those screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an
ill-advised idea anyway.  (I already stripped them all a little just trying
to get them to turn.)  Any thoughts on what is wrong with it, and what I
should do next?  It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to walk away from it if
I don't have to.

Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either.  It doesn't appear to
be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be otherwise...

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[Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Mignonette (later style)

[Antique Phonograph List]

I have an opportunity to pick one of these up; it's a nice-looking machine, and 
complete, though the spring(s) need to be replaced, and the mahogany finish is 
all alligatored.  Does anyone have any experience with these?  Particularly, 
I'd like to know a) how many springs the motor has; b) how they sound; and c) 
are there any other issues with the pre-WWI Grafonolas I should be aware of?  
I've never owned one before.  Thanks! 
  

Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17

[Antique Phonograph List]

Anybody wanna identify themselves...then maybe someone will tell you 
it's got a broken spring.


Antique Phonograph List wrote:
A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their 
barn, and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very 
odd problem:  I can't remove the crank.  It turns, but nothing happens 
with the motor; when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't 
unthread from the shaft, probably because there is nothing to stop the 
shaft from turning.  I managed to lift up the motor board enough to 
see that this is the case, and that the barrel is turning, but not the 
gears.  Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first detaching 
the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the latter 
happen.  The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor (anyone 
know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, but those 
screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an 
ill-advised idea anyway.  (I already stripped them all a little just 
trying to get them to turn.)  Any thoughts on what is wrong with it, 
and what I should do next?  It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to walk 
away from it if I don't have to.


Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either.  It doesn't 
appear to be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be 
otherwise...

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Mignonette (later style)

[Antique Phonograph List]

I imagine it will need a reproducer rebuild.   Does the arm move freely?
The springs are not terribly hard to  replace.  I've done a number of
Grafonola springs although probably not one on as early a machine.   You can
estimate the number of springs by looking at the barrel(s) .   They don't
work the same as Victrola springs so I think it is OK to replace just one if
needs be.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:18 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Mignonette (later style)

 

I have an opportunity to pick one of these up; it's a nice-looking machine,
and complete, though the spring(s) need to be replaced, and the mahogany
finish is all alligatored.  Does anyone have any experience with these?
Particularly, I'd like to know a) how many springs the motor has; b) how
they sound; and c) are there any other issues with the pre-WWI Grafonolas I
should be aware of?  I've never owned one before.  Thanks! 

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[Phono-L] Brunswick 17

[Antique Phonograph List]

A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their barn, and 
I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very odd problem:  I 
can't remove the crank.  It turns, but nothing happens with the motor; when you 
crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't unthread from the shaft, probably 
because there is nothing to stop the shaft from turning.  I managed to lift up 
the motor board enough to see that this is the case, and that the barrel is 
turning, but not the gears.  Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first 
detaching the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the latter 
happen.  The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor (anyone know how 
many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, but those screws won't budge, 
and I'm wondering if this seems like an ill-advised idea anyway.  (I already 
stripped them all a little just trying to get them to turn.)  Any thoughts on 
what is wrong with it, and what I should do next?  It's a nice phonograph, and 
I hate to walk away from it if I don't have to.

Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either.  It doesn't appear to be 
pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be otherwise...

[Phono-L] Looking for 5392

[Antique Phonograph List]

Folks,

I am in need of Edison Blue Amberol no. 5392 Mr. John Mackie by H. Lauder.
A few years back I sold my copy thinking it was a duplicate, but it was
not. So now I need to find a good copy. I'll pay your price for a nice
example.

Thank you

mshawnorou...@gmail.com

Shawn

-- 
Shawn O'Rourke
(248) 915 0954[image: Inline image 1] #

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi Jim,

There have been a number of discussions about the Columbia 600, 700, and 
800 series VivaTonals on the Talking Machine Forum (TMF).  I posted some 
pictures of my 810 in the following link:

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=12865hilit=columbia+810start=10

I believe that there are some good pictures of the 710 model there as well.  
The TMF  has an excellent search feature.  You can search on the above topics 
and see all the threads that have been written about them over the last several 
years.

If you still need close up pictures of my 810, let me know and I can try to 
get them for your.

Greg Bogantz



  - Original Message -
  From: Antique Phonograph List
  To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
  Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 12:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710


  Dear Mr. Bogantz:   I have both 800  810 Viva-tonals  unfortunately the 
cabinet of the latter was stripped, effacing the decoration  the original 
knobs were replaced.I’d like to have an artist friend recreate the 
decorations.Could you possibly send me detailed close up photos of the 
cabinet decoration  knobs?There are faint remnants of green paint along 
the lower grooved part of the cabinet.   Many thanks!



  Jim Cartwright

  Immortal Performances, Inc.




--

  From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
  Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:22 PM
  To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710



  I have the Columbia 613 and 810, both VivaTonal models.  The 600 series 
has a simple curved wooden horn, nearly identical to those used in the small 
Victor ortho machines such as the 4-3.  And the small Columbias sound very 
similar to the small Victors which is very good for their size. The 800 series 
Columbias have very large horns and were supposed to compete with the large 
horn Victors such as the Credenza.  But the large Columbia horn is NOT 
exponential in taper and does not sound as good as the big Victors.  The big 
Columbia sound is a bit muddier with noticeably less treble.  I don't know 
about the 700 series Columbias, but I would assume that the horns in them are 
similar to the mid-size Victors.  But if I were to guess, I'd assume that the 
mid-size Columbias probably are not quite as good sounding as the mid-size 
Victors.  The big Columbia horn is made of a number of flat and curved pieces 
of wood that must be sealed at their joints.  And these seals will likely need 
to be renewed during your restoration.  The Columbia motors are quiet and 
smooth.  They all incorporate an automatic shutoff that must be set for the 
record ending diameter in a way similar to the early Victor shutoff mechanisms.



  All the Columbia VivaTonals use the #15 reproducer which has the distinct 
advantage that it has NO potmetal parts.  It is easily rebuildable, but it uses 
an unusual molded rubber coupling that mounts the body to the metal sleeve that 
is used to connect with the tonearm.  These original rubber bits will almost 
certainly be turned to stone, but so far as I know there are no reproductions 
of them available.  Most people who own these have finagled a custom 
replacement frammis of some type to replace the rubber piece.



  People's opinions on the sound of the reproducers vary.  But the Columbia 
#15 is heavier than the Victor #5 ortho and has a stiffer (lower) compliance 
with a higher mechanical resonance.  This results in less bass and a response 
that is tilted toward a higher midrangey sound.  I have made a set of adapters 
that allows me to mount either reproducer on both Columbia VivaTonal and Victor 
ortho machines.  My opinion is that the Columbia #15 is not as good sounding as 
the Victor #5 when used on any of the phonographs.  The Columbia reproducer has 
less bass response and higher distortion while also producing more record wear 
due to the higher tracking force due to its higher weight and its lower 
compliance.  Still, the Columbia VivaTonal machines are nice enough sounding 
and make a good comparison of the technologies of the two companies' products 
of the same vintage.



  Greg Bogantz





- Original Message -

From: Antique Phonograph List

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:01 PM

Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710



I've wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time, 
and now I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with 
these -- I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind of 
cosmetic work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in some 
places, and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker grille 
in the second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and reproducer appears 
to be heavily oxidized

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

Dear Greg,

 

Thanks for your reply.   A while back I made a similar requeston PhonoL
for photos of the 810 details but at that time had only dialup so could
not download a photo with decent definition.   Now I have higher speed
internet so am trying again.   By the way, sadly neither my 800 nor my 810
has any type of automatic or semi-automatic stop.   I love the Columbia
non-set automatic stop  wish these deluxe machines had been so equipped.

 

All good wishes...

 

Very truly yours,

 

Jim Cartwright

Immortal Performances, Inc.

 

  _  

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:41 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

 

Hi Jim,

 

There have been a number of discussions about the Columbia 600, 700, and
800 series VivaTonals on the Talking Machine Forum (TMF).  I posted some
pictures of my 810 in the following link:

 

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2
http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/forum.talkingmachine.info?p=eyJ
zIjoiekNzN09RdUh2ejhRbDljVzRfUTVVTy12bjBjIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTc
xMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvZm9ydW0udGFsa2luZ21hY2hpbmUuaW5
mb1xcXC92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP2Y9MiZ0PTEyODY1JmhpbGl0PWNvbHVtYmlhKzgxMCZzdGFydD0
xMFwiLFwiaWRcIjpcImRmZDdkOTBmNzAzODRmYmE5MGY2ZDU0MzMzZjEyZjFiXCIsXCJ1cmxfaWR
zXCI6W1wiYzJlODJkMDg1Y2ZmM2RjZDIyZjRjZjliODFmOTQwMjZiZWE2MGIwM1wiXX0ifQ
t=12865hilit=columbia+810start=10

 

I believe that there are some good pictures of the 710 model there as well.
The TMF  has an excellent search feature.  You can search on the above
topics and see all the threads that have been written about them over the
last several years.

 

If you still need close up pictures of my 810, let me know and I can try
to get them for your.

 

Greg Bogantz

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Antique mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org  Phonograph List 

To: 'Antique mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org  Phonograph List' 

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 12:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

 

Dear Mr. Bogantz:   I have both 800  810 Viva-tonals  unfortunately the
cabinet of the latter was stripped, effacing the decoration  the original
knobs were replaced.I'd like to have an artist friend recreate the
decorations.Could you possibly send me detailed close up photos of the
cabinet decoration  knobs?There are faint remnants of green paint along
the lower grooved part of the cabinet.   Many thanks!

 

Jim Cartwright

Immortal Performances, Inc. 

 


  _  


From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:22 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

 

I have the Columbia 613 and 810, both VivaTonal models.  The 600 series
has a simple curved wooden horn, nearly identical to those used in the small
Victor ortho machines such as the 4-3.  And the small Columbias sound very
similar to the small Victors which is very good for their size. The 800
series Columbias have very large horns and were supposed to compete with the
large horn Victors such as the Credenza.  But the large Columbia horn is NOT
exponential in taper and does not sound as good as the big Victors.  The big
Columbia sound is a bit muddier with noticeably less treble.  I don't know
about the 700 series Columbias, but I would assume that the horns in them
are similar to the mid-size Victors.  But if I were to guess, I'd assume
that the mid-size Columbias probably are not quite as good sounding as the
mid-size Victors.  The big Columbia horn is made of a number of flat and
curved pieces of wood that must be sealed at their joints.  And these seals
will likely need to be renewed during your restoration.  The Columbia motors
are quiet and smooth.  They all incorporate an automatic shutoff that must
be set for the record ending diameter in a way similar to the early Victor
shutoff mechanisms.

 

All the Columbia VivaTonals use the #15 reproducer which has the
distinct advantage that it has NO potmetal parts.  It is easily rebuildable,
but it uses an unusual molded rubber coupling that mounts the body to the
metal sleeve that is used to connect with the tonearm.  These original
rubber bits will almost certainly be turned to stone, but so far as I know
there are no reproductions of them available.  Most people who own these
have finagled a custom replacement frammis of some type to replace the
rubber piece.  

 

People's opinions on the sound of the reproducers vary.  But the
Columbia #15 is heavier than the Victor #5 ortho and has a stiffer (lower)
compliance with a higher mechanical resonance.  This results in less bass
and a response that is tilted toward a higher midrangey sound.  I have made
a set of adapters that allows me to mount either reproducer on both Columbia
VivaTonal and Victor ortho machines.  My opinion is that the Columbia #15

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

Steve, I agree that the VivaTonals can sound better than the Orthophonics, and 
so can the Brunswick Panatropes.John Robles
  From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

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Send me a photo of the reproducer or let me know what is says on the back, if 
it is the one I think it is they are all brass and easy to rebuild.  I will 
take flak for this, but when I tested an Orthophonic No. 5 Victor and a 
Viva-Tonal reproducer on my Victor VI the Viva-Tonal sounded better.  This was 
a fair comparison of both reproducers with the same horn.  Naturally the 
Orthophonic No. 5 Victor sounded much better on my VV 8-12 than it does on my 
Victor VI.  Personally I think the Viva-Tonal is a better reproducer for two 
reasons.  It is much, much, much easier to rebuild and it does not have the 
unwanted sound coming from the other side not connected to the horn.  Mr. 
Orthophonic tells me it is incorrect to test the Orthophonic No. 5 Victor 
independently from the machine due to the matched impedance and I agree. 
 
Ever wonder why Victor Orthophonic machines tell you to close the lid or put 
the cap with the felt on the suitcase models?  To deaden the unwanted sound 
which the Viva-Tonal does not have to the same degree.
 
I do have a world famous friend who feels the Viva-Tonals sound better than the 
Victor Orthophonic machines, he is in a position to sound test, I am not, as he 
owns both with practically all model of both.  I can only sound test on Victor 
VI.  Interestingly the Viva-Tonal uses the same size ball bearings as the first 
style Orthophonic No. 5 Victor.  As long as I am taking flak I also enjoy 
paying my monthly bills. 
 
Sound is objective, I spoke with another famous man who restores early sound 
systems like the Edison C-2 and he as the equipment to measure sound.  Some 
people can only hear a limited range of sound, others had very differing 
opinions of the same sound.  Some people like Larry can pick out all the 
instruments in an orchestra record while others can only differentiate volume. 
 
Steve


 


From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 02:08:49 +

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Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time, and now I have the opportunity 
to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with these -- I've never actually seen 
one in person -- I'm wondering what kind of cosmetic work this will need. It 
seems the green trim paint is faded in some places, and largely gone in others 
(note front center above the speaker grille in the second photo). The nickel 
plating on the tone arm and reproducer appears to be heavily oxidized, as well. 
I don't know what other cosmetic or mechanical issues it may have; are there 
common known issues with this model, and with Viva-Tonals in general? Do the 
horns usually need to be re-sealed? Are the reproducers pot metal? I've read 
these don't have a stop; does that mean it doesn't have an automatic stop, or 
(forgive me) any stop at all? How do these machines sound, in general? 
(Personally, I don't think Grafonolas sound very good.) Finally, the seller 
says he won't take any less than $225 for it; I know value is in the eye of the 
beholder, but does this seem reasonable to you, or is it way out of line?

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

Dear Steve:   Who restores Edison C-s radio-phonograph combinations?I've
been trying to get mine restored for close to twenty years.   Originally had
three,  had three chassis sent for restoration  only two chassis came back
 person to whom I'd sent these did not respond or cash $ 25 cheque I'd sent
to cover shipping of third chassis.Radios work OK, but phono is very
weak even 'tho I've had pickups rebuilt  I'm told former repairs used
incorrect interstage audio transformers.Would love to get these units
functioning properly.   What type of transformer should replace interstage
audio transformers?   I can hook the pickup up to an Edison radio which is
all original  sound is superb so I know the combination units should be
equally magnificent when playing diamond discs.

 

Jim Cartwright

Immortal Performances, Inc.

 

  _  

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 1:09 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

 

Steve, I agree that the VivaTonals can sound better than the Orthophonics,
and so can the Brunswick Panatropes.

John Robles

 

  _  

From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

 

steve_nor...@msn.com
 
Send me a photo of the reproducer or let me know what is says on the back,
if it is the one I think it is they are all brass and easy to rebuild.  I
will take flak for this, but when I tested an Orthophonic No. 5 Victor and a
Viva-Tonal reproducer on my Victor VI the Viva-Tonal sounded better.  This
was a fair comparison of both reproducers with the same horn.  Naturally the
Orthophonic No. 5 Victor sounded much better on my VV 8-12 than it does on
my Victor VI.  Personally I think the Viva-Tonal is a better reproducer for
two reasons.  It is much, much, much easier to rebuild and it does not have
the unwanted sound coming from the other side not connected to the horn.
Mr. Orthophonic tells me it is incorrect to test the Orthophonic No. 5
Victor independently from the machine due to the matched impedance and I
agree.  
 
Ever wonder why Victor Orthophonic machines tell you to close the lid or put
the cap with the felt on the suitcase models?  To deaden the unwanted sound
which the Viva-Tonal does not have to the same degree. 
 
I do have a world famous friend who feels the Viva-Tonals sound better than
the Victor Orthophonic machines, he is in a position to sound test, I am
not, as he owns both with practically all model of both.  I can only sound
test on Victor VI.  Interestingly the Viva-Tonal uses the same size ball
bearings as the first style Orthophonic No. 5 Victor.  As long as I am
taking flak I also enjoy paying my monthly bills.  
 
Sound is objective, I spoke with another famous man who restores early sound
systems like the Edison C-2 and he as the equipment to measure sound.  Some
people can only hear a limited range of sound, others had very differing
opinions of the same sound.  Some people like Larry can pick out all the
instruments in an orchestra record while others can only differentiate
volume.  
 
Steve


 

 

  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 02:08:49 +

I've wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time,
and now I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with
these -- I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind
of cosmetic work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in
some places, and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker
grille in the second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and
reproducer appears to be heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other
cosmetic or mechanical issues it may have; are there common known issues
with this model, and with Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need
to be re-sealed? Are the reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a
stop; does that mean it doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any
stop at all? How do these machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't
think Grafonolas sound very good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take
any less than $225 for it; I know value is in the eye of the beholder, but
does this seem reasonable to you, or is it way out of line? 

 
http://mandrillapp.com/track/open.php?u=30365713id=3d69c398e1ac4a61aed3533
77da1c257 

 
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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

Dear Mr. Bogantz:   I have both 800  810 Viva-tonals  unfortunately the
cabinet of the latter was stripped, effacing the decoration  the original
knobs were replaced.I'd like to have an artist friend recreate the
decorations.Could you possibly send me detailed close up photos of the
cabinet decoration  knobs?There are faint remnants of green paint along
the lower grooved part of the cabinet.   Many thanks!

 

Jim Cartwright

Immortal Performances, Inc. 

 

  _  

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:22 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

 

I have the Columbia 613 and 810, both VivaTonal models.  The 600 series
has a simple curved wooden horn, nearly identical to those used in the small
Victor ortho machines such as the 4-3.  And the small Columbias sound very
similar to the small Victors which is very good for their size. The 800
series Columbias have very large horns and were supposed to compete with the
large horn Victors such as the Credenza.  But the large Columbia horn is NOT
exponential in taper and does not sound as good as the big Victors.  The big
Columbia sound is a bit muddier with noticeably less treble.  I don't know
about the 700 series Columbias, but I would assume that the horns in them
are similar to the mid-size Victors.  But if I were to guess, I'd assume
that the mid-size Columbias probably are not quite as good sounding as the
mid-size Victors.  The big Columbia horn is made of a number of flat and
curved pieces of wood that must be sealed at their joints.  And these seals
will likely need to be renewed during your restoration.  The Columbia motors
are quiet and smooth.  They all incorporate an automatic shutoff that must
be set for the record ending diameter in a way similar to the early Victor
shutoff mechanisms.

 

All the Columbia VivaTonals use the #15 reproducer which has the
distinct advantage that it has NO potmetal parts.  It is easily rebuildable,
but it uses an unusual molded rubber coupling that mounts the body to the
metal sleeve that is used to connect with the tonearm.  These original
rubber bits will almost certainly be turned to stone, but so far as I know
there are no reproductions of them available.  Most people who own these
have finagled a custom replacement frammis of some type to replace the
rubber piece.  

 

People's opinions on the sound of the reproducers vary.  But the
Columbia #15 is heavier than the Victor #5 ortho and has a stiffer (lower)
compliance with a higher mechanical resonance.  This results in less bass
and a response that is tilted toward a higher midrangey sound.  I have made
a set of adapters that allows me to mount either reproducer on both Columbia
VivaTonal and Victor ortho machines.  My opinion is that the Columbia #15 is
not as good sounding as the Victor #5 when used on any of the phonographs.
The Columbia reproducer has less bass response and higher distortion while
also producing more record wear due to the higher tracking force due to its
higher weight and its lower compliance.  Still, the Columbia VivaTonal
machines are nice enough sounding and make a good comparison of the
technologies of the two companies' products of the same vintage.

 

Greg Bogantz

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Antique mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org  Phonograph List 

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:01 PM

Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

 

I've wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time,
and now I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with
these -- I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind
of cosmetic work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in
some places, and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker
grille in the second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and
reproducer appears to be heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other
cosmetic or mechanical issues it may have; are there common known issues
with this model, and with Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need
to be re-sealed? Are the reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a
stop; does that mean it doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any
stop at all? How do these machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't
think Grafonolas sound very good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take
any less than $225 for it; I know value is in the eye of the beholder, but
does this seem reasonable to you, or is it way out of line? 

 
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1a0d9b63b 

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hello John,

Thanks.

The Victor Orthophonic reproducer was designed to be matched with its horn, the 
reason Victor made the tone arm larger was to prevent disappointment from 
people putting the new reproducer on older machines and soiling its reputation. 
 At first I thought Victor was just being business smart, which they were, but 
that was not the case.  When I put the No. 5 Orthophonic Victor reproducer on 
my Victor VI the sound was tremendously degraded when compared to the same 
reproducer on my VV 8-12.  Personally I still believe the No. 5 was not 
optimally designed because of the unwanted sound generated, but when paired 
with the horn they have a much wider band of sound and greater volume.  On my 
8-12 I use gold plated medium tone needles, some of the larger machines require 
soft tone needles according to Mr. Orthophonic.

Did the complicated spider diaphragm actually make a difference?  The later 
Orthophonic No 5 reproducer that does not have the spider does not sound 
different to me on my VV 8-12.  Some diaphragms had the spider removed, some 
never had it and the needle bar is attached via a screw.

I also believe that until the Viva-Tonal that Columbia disc machines were 
clearly inferior to Victor.  The Viva-Tonals were much closer to being on par 
with Victor than the earlier machines.  To some people they sounded better as 
sound is subjective.

Victor was clearly the most successful company with both superior products and 
advertising.  Edison was clearly the most loyal to its customers making 
obsolete reproducers so people could play earlier records.  Edison was still 
making and selling CHK reproducers and 24 minute recorders in 1926 and on.  He 
still made, in tiny quantities, and repaired Diamond A reproducers in 1924 and 
beyond.  Diamond A reproducers made after the fire use nickel plated Diamond B 
weights that were then copper plated and a different oxidation material was 
used.

With Edison all of the advances were made so they could be used on earlier 
machines.  So that Victor could sell the new records to people who could not 
afford new machines the No. 4 reproducer was made available.

If you have the good fortune to have a No 4 with its original box you can read 
what it says, if not:





The Victrola No 4 Sound
Box was designed and perfected for use with old style Victrolas manufactured by
the Victor Company prior to August, 1925.  This sound box will
immeasurably improve the tonal quality of old Victrolas; but it should not be
confused with the New Orthophonic Victrola and the principle of matched
impedance (controlled by the Victor Company) which has so completely
revolutionized the art of reproducing sound.



This sound box on your old-style Victrola will greatly increase your enjoyment
of the new Orthophonic Record.  But be sure to hear the new Orthophonic
Record played on the new Orthophonic Victrola, which represents the ultimate in
musical reproduction.





OLD STYLE AMPLIFYING HORN
used in the cabinet type Victrola prior to August, 1925.





ORTHOPHONIC TONE CHAMBER
embodying the new discovery - matched impedance which permits the
smooth uninterrupted flow of sound.  This
principle is employed exclusively in the new Orthophonic Victrola.

 Steve


From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 06:16:22 +

Steve, I agree that the VivaTonals can sound better than the Orthophonics, and 
so can the Brunswick Panatropes.John Robles
From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

steve_nor...@msn.com Send me a photo of the reproducer or let me know what is 
says on the back, if it is the one I think it is they are all brass and easy to 
rebuild.  I will take flak for this, but when I tested an Orthophonic No. 5 
Victor and a Viva-Tonal reproducer on my Victor VI the Viva-Tonal sounded 
better.  This was a fair comparison of both reproducers with the same horn.  
Naturally the Orthophonic No. 5 Victor sounded much better on my VV 8-12 than 
it does on my Victor VI.  Personally I think the Viva-Tonal is a better 
reproducer for two reasons.  It is much, much, much easier to rebuild and it 
does not have the unwanted sound coming from the other side not connected to 
the horn.  Mr. Orthophonic tells me it is incorrect to test the Orthophonic No. 
5 Victor independently from the machine due to the matched impedance and I 
agree.   Ever wonder why Victor Orthophonic machines tell you to close the lid 
or put the cap with the felt on the suitcase models?  To deaden the unwanted 
sound which the Viva-Tonal does not have to the same degree.  I do have a world 
famous friend who feels the Viva-Tonals sound better than the Victor 
Orthophonic machines, he is in a position to sound test, I am not, as he owns 
both with practically all

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hello Jim,

Chuck Azzalina.  A man contacted me about a new diamond for his C-2 so I had 
him send me the reproducer.  I found that the regular DD diamond assembly would 
not fit so I had Bruce diamond make a diamond assembly that would fit and Chuck 
is currently testing them out for me.  If he is happy he will do the install.

While communicating with Chuck I called and discussed his repair of early sound 
systems, he is like me in that he does outstanding work.  This was evident when 
I took the cover off the C-2 reproducer and was able to see his work.  That was 
what made me contact him.

Steve

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:06:39 +

















Dear Steve:   Who restores Edison C-s radio-phonograph
combinations?I’ve been trying to get mine restored for
close to twenty years.   Originally had three,  had three
chassis sent for restoration  only two chassis came back  person to whom
I’d sent these did not respond or cash $ 25 cheque I’d sent to
cover shipping of third chassis.Radios work OK, but phono is
very weak even ‘tho I’ve had pickups rebuilt  I’m told former
“repairs” used incorrect interstage audio
transformers.Would love to get these units functioning properly.
What type of transformer should replace interstage audio transformers?
I can hook the pickup up to an Edison radio
which is all original  sound is superb so I know the combination units
should be equally magnificent when playing diamond discs.



Jim Cartwright

Immortal Performances, Inc.











From: Antique Phonograph List
[mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015
1:09 AM

To: Antique
 Phonograph List

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia
Viva-Tonal model 710









Steve,
I agree that the VivaTonals can sound better than the Orthophonics, and so can
the Brunswick Panatropes.





John
Robles

















From: Antique
 Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org

To:
phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:44
PM

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia
Viva-Tonal model 710













steve_nor...@msn.com



Send me a photo of the reproducer or
let me know what is says on the back, if it is the one I think it is they are
all brass and easy to rebuild.  I will take flak for this, but when I
tested an Orthophonic No. 5 Victor and a Viva-Tonal reproducer
on my Victor VI the Viva-Tonal sounded better.  This was a fair comparison
of both reproducers with the same horn.  Naturally the Orthophonic
No. 5 Victor sounded much better on my VV 8-12 than it does on
my Victor VI.  Personally I think the Viva-Tonal is a better reproducer
for two reasons.  It is much, much, much easier to rebuild and it does not
have the unwanted sound coming from the other side not connected to the
horn.  Mr. Orthophonic tells me it is incorrect to test the Orthophonic
No. 5 Victor independently from the machine due to the matched impedance
and I agree.



Ever wonder why Victor Orthophonic
machines tell you to close the lid or put the cap with the felt on the suitcase
models?  To deaden the unwanted sound which the Viva-Tonal does not have
to the same degree.



I do have a world famous friend who
feels the Viva-Tonals sound better than the Victor Orthophonic machines, he is
in a position to sound test, I am not, as he owns both with practically all
model of both.  I can only sound test on Victor VI.  Interestingly
the Viva-Tonal uses the same size ball bearings as the first style Orthophonic
No. 5 Victor.  As long as I am taking flak I also enjoy paying my
monthly bills.



Sound is objective, I spoke with
another famous man who restores early sound systems like the Edison C-2 and he
as the equipment to measure sound.  Some people can only hear a limited
range of sound, others had very differing opinions of the same sound.
Some people like Larry can pick out all the instruments in an orchestra record
while others can only differentiate volume.



Steve






















From: phono-l@oldcrank.org

Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 02:08:49 +



I've
wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time, and now I
have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with these -- I've
never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind of cosmetic work
this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in some places, and
largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker grille in the
second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and reproducer appears to be
heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other cosmetic or mechanical
issues it may have; are there common known issues with this model, and with
Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need to be re-sealed? Are the
reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a stop; does that mean it
doesn't have an automatic

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora phonograph -- Period (or Art) cabinet model?

[Antique Phonograph List]

That's a beautiful piece. I'll be curious to learn more about it.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: 08/07/2015  10:21 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora phonograph -- Period (or Art) cabinet model?

I have an opportunity to buy a lovely Sonora console phonograph. I'm not 
usually a fan of consoles -- I prefer uprights, for all the obvious reasons -- 
but this one seems pretty special to me, so I'm seriously considering it. It 
looks to me to be one of Sonora's Period models (also known as Art models), 
but I can't figure out which one -- if, indeed, it is one. I've studied the 
attached ad, but I can't seem to find it there; still, it looks too nice to 
just be one of their regular models. Can anyone tell me which model this is? 
Also, did all the Period or Art models come standard with the wooden tone arm 
and reproducer, or was that an option? Do they offer any kind of acoustic 
advantage, or are they just aesthetic?

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hello Jim,

I replied both on and off list, let me know if you get the off list reply.

Steve

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:06:39 +

















Dear Steve:   Who restores Edison C-s radio-phonograph
combinations?I’ve been trying to get mine restored for
close to twenty years.   Originally had three,  had three
chassis sent for restoration  only two chassis came back  person to whom
I’d sent these did not respond or cash $ 25 cheque I’d sent to
cover shipping of third chassis.Radios work OK, but phono is
very weak even ‘tho I’ve had pickups rebuilt  I’m told former
“repairs” used incorrect interstage audio
transformers.Would love to get these units functioning properly.
What type of transformer should replace interstage audio transformers?
I can hook the pickup up to an Edison radio
which is all original  sound is superb so I know the combination units
should be equally magnificent when playing diamond discs.



Jim Cartwright

Immortal Performances, Inc.











From: Antique Phonograph List
[mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015
1:09 AM

To: Antique
 Phonograph List

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia
Viva-Tonal model 710









Steve,
I agree that the VivaTonals can sound better than the Orthophonics, and so can
the Brunswick Panatropes.





John
Robles

















From: Antique
 Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org

To:
phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:44
PM

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia
Viva-Tonal model 710













steve_nor...@msn.com



Send me a photo of the reproducer or
let me know what is says on the back, if it is the one I think it is they are
all brass and easy to rebuild.  I will take flak for this, but when I
tested an Orthophonic No. 5 Victor and a Viva-Tonal reproducer
on my Victor VI the Viva-Tonal sounded better.  This was a fair comparison
of both reproducers with the same horn.  Naturally the Orthophonic
No. 5 Victor sounded much better on my VV 8-12 than it does on
my Victor VI.  Personally I think the Viva-Tonal is a better reproducer
for two reasons.  It is much, much, much easier to rebuild and it does not
have the unwanted sound coming from the other side not connected to the
horn.  Mr. Orthophonic tells me it is incorrect to test the Orthophonic
No. 5 Victor independently from the machine due to the matched impedance
and I agree.



Ever wonder why Victor Orthophonic
machines tell you to close the lid or put the cap with the felt on the suitcase
models?  To deaden the unwanted sound which the Viva-Tonal does not have
to the same degree.



I do have a world famous friend who
feels the Viva-Tonals sound better than the Victor Orthophonic machines, he is
in a position to sound test, I am not, as he owns both with practically all
model of both.  I can only sound test on Victor VI.  Interestingly
the Viva-Tonal uses the same size ball bearings as the first style Orthophonic
No. 5 Victor.  As long as I am taking flak I also enjoy paying my
monthly bills.



Sound is objective, I spoke with
another famous man who restores early sound systems like the Edison C-2 and he
as the equipment to measure sound.  Some people can only hear a limited
range of sound, others had very differing opinions of the same sound.
Some people like Larry can pick out all the instruments in an orchestra record
while others can only differentiate volume.



Steve






















From: phono-l@oldcrank.org

Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 02:08:49 +



I've
wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time, and now I
have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with these -- I've
never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind of cosmetic work
this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in some places, and
largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker grille in the
second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and reproducer appears to be
heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other cosmetic or mechanical
issues it may have; are there common known issues with this model, and with
Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need to be re-sealed? Are the
reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a stop; does that mean it
doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any stop at all? How do these
machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't think Grafonolas sound very
good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take any less than $225 for it; I know
value is in the eye of the beholder, but does this seem reasonable to you, or
is it way out of line?

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

steve_nor...@msn.com

Send me a photo of the reproducer or let me know what is says on the back, if 
it is the one I think it is they are all brass and easy to rebuild.  I will 
take flak for this, but when I tested an Orthophonic No. 5 Victor and a 
Viva-Tonal reproducer on my Victor VI the Viva-Tonal sounded better.  This was 
a fair comparison of both reproducers with the same horn.  Naturally the 
Orthophonic No. 5 Victor sounded much better on my VV 8-12 than it does on my 
Victor VI.  Personally I think the Viva-Tonal is a better reproducer for two 
reasons.  It is much, much, much easier to rebuild and it does not have the 
unwanted sound coming from the other side not connected to the horn.  Mr. 
Orthophonic tells me it is incorrect to test the Orthophonic No. 5 Victor 
independently from the machine due to the matched impedance and I agree.

Ever wonder why Victor Orthophonic machines tell you to close the lid or put 
the cap with the felt on the suitcase models?  To deaden the unwanted sound 
which the Viva-Tonal does not have to the same degree.

I do have a world famous friend who feels the Viva-Tonals sound better than the 
Victor Orthophonic machines, he is in a position to sound test, I am not, as he 
owns both with practically all model of both.  I can only sound test on Victor 
VI.  Interestingly the Viva-Tonal uses the same size ball bearings as the first 
style Orthophonic No. 5 Victor.  As long as I am taking flak I also enjoy 
paying my monthly bills.

Sound is objective, I spoke with another famous man who restores early sound 
systems like the Edison C-2 and he as the equipment to measure sound.  Some 
people can only hear a limited range of sound, others had very differing 
opinions of the same sound.  Some people like Larry can pick out all the 
instruments in an orchestra record while others can only differentiate volume.

Steve


From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 02:08:49 +




I've wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time, and 
now I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with these 
-- I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind of 
cosmetic work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in some 
places, and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker grille 
in the second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and reproducer appears 
to be heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other cosmetic or mechanical 
issues it may have; are there common known issues with this model, and with 
Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need to be re-sealed? Are the 
reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a stop; does that mean it 
doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any stop at all? How do these 
machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't think Grafonolas sound very 
good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take any less than $225 for it; I know 
value is in the eye of the beholder, but does this seem reasonable to you, or 
is it way out of line?  
   

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

YMMV of course, but I had a chance at this myself and passed due to too many
issues that I could see as well as envision.

I love the Viva-Tonals (I collect sand research Columbia exclusively) and
could have easily dealt with any issues involved getting the phonograph
operational, but I just did not want to take on some of the cabinet issues I
saw (some of which you have noted).  The seller when I asked about them was
a bit too stubborn and vague, equally about the price.   She would not share
any better photos with me of the case  (with better detail of the condition)
and especially the horn behind the screen.  Instead I got pics of irrelevant
Victor accessories.

I decided to give it a pass and wait for either a better conditioned mid
sized 700 series (a later model with the autobrake) or a larger 800¹s.

Just my 2 cents.  Again YMMV

A in MA


From:  Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Reply-To:  Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date:  Friday, August 7, 2015 at 10:08 PM
To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject:  [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

I've wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time,
and now I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with
these -- I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind
of cosmetic work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in
some places, and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker
grille in the second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and
reproducer appears to be heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other
cosmetic or mechanical issues it may have; are there common known issues
with this model, and with Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need
to be re-sealed? Are the reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a
stop; does that mean it doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any
stop at all? How do these machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't
think Grafonolas sound very good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take
any less than $225 for it; I know value is in the eye of the beholder, but
does this seem reasonable to you, or is it way out of line?

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

You don't see too many of the Columbia Viva-tonals and I think a lot of what
you are seeing (oxidation for example) is an artifact of the photography.
The pics are probably a bit overexposed.

The sound nice especially in the mid range.  Bass is not as good as the
Orthophonics.   I have one of the larger consoles and I don't think the horn
needs re-sealing.  The reproducer is brass and what I found to make the
biggest improvement in its sound was to lubricate the needle bar bearings.

 

Ron

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:02 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

 

I've wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time,
and now I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with
these -- I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind
of cosmetic work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in
some places, and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker
grille in the second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and
reproducer appears to be heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other
cosmetic or mechanical issues it may have; are there common known issues
with this model, and with Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need
to be re-sealed? Are the reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a
stop; does that mean it doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any
stop at all? How do these machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't
think Grafonolas sound very good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take
any less than $225 for it; I know value is in the eye of the beholder, but
does this seem reasonable to you, or is it way out of line? 

Image removed by sender.

Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

I have the Columbia 613 and 810, both VivaTonal models.  The 600 series has 
a simple curved wooden horn, nearly identical to those used in the small Victor 
ortho machines such as the 4-3.  And the small Columbias sound very similar to 
the small Victors which is very good for their size. The 800 series Columbias 
have very large horns and were supposed to compete with the large horn Victors 
such as the Credenza.  But the large Columbia horn is NOT exponential in taper 
and does not sound as good as the big Victors.  The big Columbia sound is a bit 
muddier with noticeably less treble.  I don't know about the 700 series 
Columbias, but I would assume that the horns in them are similar to the 
mid-size Victors.  But if I were to guess, I'd assume that the mid-size 
Columbias probably are not quite as good sounding as the mid-size Victors.  The 
big Columbia horn is made of a number of flat and curved pieces of wood that 
must be sealed at their joints.  And these seals will likely need to be renewed 
during your restoration.  The Columbia motors are quiet and smooth.  They all 
incorporate an automatic shutoff that must be set for the record ending 
diameter in a way similar to the early Victor shutoff mechanisms.

All the Columbia VivaTonals use the #15 reproducer which has the distinct 
advantage that it has NO potmetal parts.  It is easily rebuildable, but it uses 
an unusual molded rubber coupling that mounts the body to the metal sleeve that 
is used to connect with the tonearm.  These original rubber bits will almost 
certainly be turned to stone, but so far as I know there are no reproductions 
of them available.  Most people who own these have finagled a custom 
replacement frammis of some type to replace the rubber piece.

People's opinions on the sound of the reproducers vary.  But the Columbia 
#15 is heavier than the Victor #5 ortho and has a stiffer (lower) compliance 
with a higher mechanical resonance.  This results in less bass and a response 
that is tilted toward a higher midrangey sound.  I have made a set of adapters 
that allows me to mount either reproducer on both Columbia VivaTonal and Victor 
ortho machines.  My opinion is that the Columbia #15 is not as good sounding as 
the Victor #5 when used on any of the phonographs.  The Columbia reproducer has 
less bass response and higher distortion while also producing more record wear 
due to the higher tracking force due to its higher weight and its lower 
compliance.  Still, the Columbia VivaTonal machines are nice enough sounding 
and make a good comparison of the technologies of the two companies' products 
of the same vintage.

Greg Bogantz


  - Original Message -
  From: Antique Phonograph List
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:01 PM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710


  I've wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time, 
and now I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with 
these -- I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind of 
cosmetic work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in some 
places, and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker grille 
in the second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and reproducer appears 
to be heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other cosmetic or mechanical 
issues it may have; are there common known issues with this model, and with 
Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need to be re-sealed? Are the 
reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a stop; does that mean it 
doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any stop at all? How do these 
machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't think Grafonolas sound very 
good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take any less than $225 for it; I know 
value is in the eye of the beholder, but does this seem reasonable to you, or 
is it way out of line?


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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

$225 seems fine for this one.  I paid $125 for a 700 in nice shape, over 30 
years ago.  Their sound can be most excellent.



- Original Message - 
From: Antique Phonograph List

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:01 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710


I've wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time, 
and now I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with 
these -- I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind 
of cosmetic work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in 
some places, and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker 
grille in the second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and 
reproducer appears to be heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other 
cosmetic or mechanical issues it may have; are there common known issues 
with this model, and with Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need 
to be re-sealed? Are the reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a 
stop; does that mean it doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any 
stop at all? How do these machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't 
think Grafonolas sound very good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take 
any less than $225 for it; I know value is in the eye of the beholder, but 
does this seem reasonable to you, or is it way out of line?



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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710

[Antique Phonograph List]

I am always happy to be corrected by an expert I respect.  I really enjoyed 
reading this, thanks Greg.
 
Steve 
 
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal model 710
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 03:29:21 +








I have the Columbia 613 and 810,
both VivaTonal models.  The 600 series has a simple curved wooden horn,
nearly identical to those used in the small Victor ortho machines such as the
4-3.  And the small Columbias sound very similar to the small Victors which
is very good for their size. The 800 series Columbias have very large horns and
were supposed to compete with the large horn Victors such as the Credenza. 
But the large Columbia horn is NOT exponential in taper and does not sound as
good as the big Victors.  The big Columbia sound is a bit muddier with
noticeably less treble.  I don't know about the 700 series Columbias, but I
would assume that the horns in them are similar to the mid-size Victors. 
But if I were to guess, I'd assume that the mid-size Columbias probably are not
quite as good sounding as the mid-size Victors.  The big Columbia horn is
made of a number of flat and curved pieces of wood that must be sealed
at their joints.  And these seals will likely need to be renewed during
your restoration.  The Columbia motors are quiet and smooth.  They all
incorporate an automatic shutoff that must be set for the record ending diameter
in a way similar to the early Victor shutoff mechanisms.
 
All the Columbia VivaTonals use
the #15 reproducer which has the distinct advantage that it has NO potmetal
parts.  It is easily rebuildable, but it uses an unusual molded rubber
coupling that mounts the body to the metal sleeve that is used to connect with
the tonearm.  These original rubber bits will almost certainly be turned to
stone, but so far as I know there are no reproductions of them available. 
Most people who own these have finagled a custom replacement frammis of some
type to replace the rubber piece.  
 
People's opinions on the sound
of the reproducers vary.  But the Columbia #15 is heavier than the Victor
#5 ortho and has a stiffer (lower) compliance with a higher mechanical
resonance.  This results in less bass and a response that is tilted toward
a higher midrangey sound.  I have made a set of adapters that allows
me to mount either reproducer on both Columbia VivaTonal and Victor ortho
machines.  My opinion is that the Columbia #15 is not as good sounding as
the Victor #5 when used on any of
the phonographs.  The Columbia reproducer has less bass
response and higher distortion while also producing more record wear due to the
higher tracking force due to its higher weight and its lower compliance. 
Still, the Columbia VivaTonal machines are nice enough sounding and make a good
comparison of the technologies of the two companies' products of the same
vintage.
 
Greg Bogantz
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From:
  Antique
  Phonograph List 
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:01
  PM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal
  model 710
  

  I've
  wanted to have a nice Columbia Viva-Tonal phonograph for a long time, and now
  I have the opportunity to buy a model 710. Not being famailiar with these --
  I've never actually seen one in person -- I'm wondering what kind of cosmetic
  work this will need. It seems the green trim paint is faded in some places,
  and largely gone in others (note front center above the speaker grille in the
  second photo). The nickel plating on the tone arm and reproducer appears to be
  heavily oxidized, as well. I don't know what other cosmetic or mechanical
  issues it may have; are there common known issues with this model, and with
  Viva-Tonals in general? Do the horns usually need to be re-sealed? Are the
  reproducers pot metal? I've read these don't have a stop; does that mean it
  doesn't have an automatic stop, or (forgive me) any stop at all? How do these
  machines sound, in general? (Personally, I don't think Grafonolas sound very
  good.) Finally, the seller says he won't take any less than $225 for it; I
  know value is in the eye of the beholder, but does this seem reasonable to
  you, or is it way out of line?  













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[Phono-L] Record Question Edison black wax 9053

[Antique Phonograph List]

Greetings O'learned Phonophiles:

I must admit to my total ignorance about Edison 2 minute black wax cylinders 
(and records in general).  I received an inquiry about the following from an 
eBay contact:
The person asked what  talking  Jim Bludsoe #9053 was about since he has no 
phonograph.  He did find that it was preformed by Edgar Davenport, 1905.  That 
was all.
Any further information on this record would be appreciated.  I will pass it on 
and give you credit.

Thanks for any help,
Al Sefl
Who knows more about Kiwi black wax than Edison black wax...

Re: [Phono-L] Record Question Edison black wax 9053 thanks...

[Antique Phonograph List]

Thank you Jim.  I will pass along the link and info.  It must have been a 
popular poem of the day at a time when schools taught dramatic public reading.
Al
 
 

Re: [Phono-L] Record Question Edison black wax 9053

[Antique Phonograph List]

Listen to the cylinder here:

http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/search.php?queryType=@attr%201=1020num=1start=1query=cylinder7513
 
http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/search.php?queryType=@attr%201=1020num=1start=1query=cylinder7513

Jim Nichol

 On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:42 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Greetings O'learned Phonophiles:
  
 I must admit to my total ignorance about Edison 2 minute black wax cylinders 
 (and records in general).  I received an inquiry about the following from an 
 eBay contact:
 The person asked what  talking  Jim Bludsoe #9053 was about since he has no 
 phonograph.  He did find that it was preformed by Edgar Davenport, 1905.  
 That was all.
 Any further information on this record would be appreciated.  I will pass it 
 on and give you credit.
  
 Thanks for any help,
 Al Sefl
 Who knows more about Kiwi black wax than Edison black wax...
  

[Phono-L] New Paper Offering

[Antique Phonograph List]

Here is the latest addition to the paper offering:

Hawthorn and Sheble Catalog $15.00

A super neat Catalog for your collection. Ellsworth Hawthorne, a
Philadelphia manufacturer of bicycle accessories, along with partner Horace
Sheble, became a dealer for the North American Phonograph Company. After
the bankruptcy of the North American Phonograph Company they became a
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century, shows a broad array of offerings for many different brands of
phonographs. It includes machines, accessories, cabinets, parts, and other
items. Being 48 pages long, it is full of great information.

Super information, pictures and highest quality reprint. The price is $15.00
.

No PayPal, checks are great. $1.50 shipping in the US. Contact me with
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Check out my complete paper offering below.

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*BERLINER*
$20.00 – Talks Talk – 24 pages – Complete Early Berliner line-up 1896
machines, records accessories

*BETTINI*
$10.00 – Bettini – 18 pages – Machines accessories and records (US products)

*COLUMBIA*
$15.00 – Columbia – 49 pages – Machines/Accessories 1898 (red cover)
$5.00 – Columbia AS/ BS/ N Sign Board Paper – Aged to look original
$2.00 – Columbia AS/ BS/ N Curved Glass instruction card – Aged to look
original
$10.00 – Graphophone Supplies – 8 pages – Accessories 1897
$3.00 – Columbia Disk Graphophones – 4 pages – 1901 AH and AJ catalog
(complete disk line-up)
$3.00 – Columbia Q Instructions – 4 pages – 1900
$3.00 – Columbia N (Bijou) Instructions – 4 pages – 1896
$3.00 – Columbia AA Instructions – 4 pages – 1901
$5.00 – Columbia AT Instructions – 6 pages – 1898
$18.00 – The Graphophone – 64 page – 1901 – Machines/ Accessories/ Cylinders
$4.00 – Columbia AH Instruction Manual – Large single sheet

$10.00 – The Columbia Disk Graphophone and Grafonola – 1908 32 pages
*--
NEW ---*

$10.00 – Famous Columbia Records – 1896 16 pages *-- NEW
*

$10.00 – Columbia Indestructible Cylinder Records – Complete Listing – 1908
48 pages *--- NEW -*

*Kalamazoo Duplex*
$20.00 – The Duplex – Large Instructions 20 pages – 1906 *--
NEW *

$10.00 – Kalamazoo Records – 24 pages record listing 1906 *--
NEW *
$10.00 – Duplex Doubters – 20 pages Testimonials, stories *--
NEW *
$2.00 – Duplex Letter head – 1 page *-- NEW
*

*EDISON*
$3.00 – The Edison Phonograph and the Fun you can have with it – 4 pages –
Edison 1898 machines

$8.00 – Parts of an Edison  – 24 pages – Edison 1903 machines
*--
NEW *
$10.00 – What Edison Likes in Music – 16 pages – Early (1913/1914) Edison
DD titles/ descriptions
$10.00 – Edison Phonographs – 32 pages – Edison complete 1906 line up
$5.00 – Edison H/ Excelsior/ Bijou Sign Board Paper – Aged to look original
$2.00 – Edison H/ Excelsior/ Bijou Curved Glass instruction card – Aged to
look original
$2.00 – How to Play Edison Amberol Records – 4 pages – Instructions
$3.00 – Edison Circus Tent Fold-out Flyer – Fold out – 1906 (appx) In the
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$3.00 – Edison Triumph Instructions – 4 pages – Early banner Triumph
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$5.00 – Edison Standard Instructions – 8 pages – Early square top Standard
$5.00 – Edison Muting Device Instructions – 8 pages – DD sound ball
$10.00 – Babson Brothers Catalog – 14 pages – 1906 (appx) Edison Machines,
Music and Outfits
$10.00 – Edison Phonograph Disk Models – 24 pages – 1914 (appx)
$3.00 – Edison Standard 2 and 4 minute Conversion Instructions – 4 pages
$10.00 – Edison Phonograph Cylinder Models – 30 pages – 1913 Machine line
up, accessories
$15.00 – J.W. Jenkins Music Company Catalog – 16 pages – Edison
Machines/Accessories 1904 (appx)

$6.00 – Making Records At Home – 15 pages – Edison Opera and others
Recording 1914 (appx)

$3.00 – Edison Standard Combination Attachment – 4 pages

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 *--
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Available now is a very hard to find, and early full spun brass horn.
Collectors today call this a Seamless horn. This is due to the fact that
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viewed very close up, the seam looks like a zipper.

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[Phono-L] New Reprinted Catalogs and Paper

[Antique Phonograph List]

Folks,

I've been busy this summer and have a lot of new high-quality reprinted
paper available.  I've put the complete listing below, with all new ones
identified.   I'll have it all at the Wayne show, but feel free to contact
me before at mshawnorou...@gmail.com if you see anything you want.

Shawn

*BERLINER*
$20.00 – Talks Talk – 24 pages – Complete Early Berliner line-up 1896
machines, records accessories

*BETTINI*
$10.00 – Bettini – 18 pages – Machines accessories and records (US products)

*COLUMBIA*
$15.00 – Columbia – 49 pages – Machines/Accessories 1898 (red cover)
$5.00 – Columbia AS/ BS/ N Sign Board Paper – Aged to look original
$2.00 – Columbia AS/ BS/ N Curved Glass instruction card – Aged to look
original
$10.00 – Graphophone Supplies – 8 pages – Accessories 1897
$3.00 – Columbia Disk Graphophones – 4 pages – 1901 AH and AJ catalog
(complete disk line-up)
$3.00 – Columbia Q Instructions – 4 pages – 1900
$3.00 – Columbia N (Bijou) Instructions – 4 pages – 1896
$3.00 – Columbia AA Instructions – 4 pages – 1901
$5.00 – Columbia AT Instructions – 6 pages – 1898
$18.00 – The Graphophone – 64 page – 1901 – Machines/ Accessories/ Cylinders
$4.00 – Columbia AH Instruction Manual – Large single sheet

$10.00 – The Columbia Disk Graphophone and Grafonola – 1908 32 pages
*--
NEW ---*

$10.00 – Famous Columbia Records – 1896 16 pages *-- NEW
*

$10.00 – Columbia Indestructible Cylinder Records – Complete Listing – 1908
48 pages *--- NEW -*

 *Kalamazoo Duplex*
$20.00 – The Duplex – Large Instructions 20 pages – 1906 *--
NEW *

$10.00 – Kalamazoo Records – 24 pages record listing 1906 *--
NEW *
$10.00 – Duplex Doubters – 20 pages Testimonials, stories *--
NEW *
$2.00 – Duplex Letter head – 1 page *-- NEW
*

*EDISON*
$3.00 – The Edison Phonograph and the Fun you can have with it – 4 pages –
Edison 1898 machines

$8.00 – Parts of an Edison  – 24 pages – Edison 1903 machines
*--
NEW *
$10.00 – What Edison Likes in Music – 16 pages – Early (1913/1914) Edison
DD titles/ descriptions
$10.00 – Edison Phonographs – 32 pages – Edison complete 1906 line up
$5.00 – Edison H/ Excelsior/ Bijou Sign Board Paper – Aged to look original
$2.00 – Edison H/ Excelsior/ Bijou Curved Glass instruction card – Aged to
look original
$2.00 – How to Play Edison Amberol Records – 4 pages – Instructions
$3.00 – Edison Circus Tent Fold-out Flyer – Fold out – 1906 (appx) In the
shape of a Circus Tent
$10.00 – Edison Opera Instructions – 12 pages – 1913 (appx) *--
NEW *
$5.00 – Edison Amberola Phonographs – 6 pages – Instructions for Amberola 30
$3.00 – Edison Triumph Instructions – 4 pages – Early banner Triumph
$5.00 – Edison Home Instructions – 8 pages – Early banner Home
$5.00 – Edison Standard Instructions – 8 pages – Early square top Standard
$5.00 – Edison Muting Device Instructions – 8 pages – DD sound ball
$10.00 – Babson Brothers Catalog – 14 pages – 1906 (appx) Edison Machines,
Music and Outfits
$10.00 – Edison Phonograph Disk Models – 24 pages – 1914 (appx)
$3.00 – Edison Standard 2 and 4 minute Conversion Instructions – 4 pages
$10.00 – Edison Phonograph Cylinder Models – 30 pages – 1913 Machine line
up, accessories
$15.00 – J.W. Jenkins Music Company Catalog – 16 pages – Edison
Machines/Accessories 1904 (appx)

$6.00 – Making Records At Home – 15 pages – Edison Opera and others
Recording 1914 (appx)

$3.00 – Edison Standard Combination Attachment – 4 pages

*REGINA*
$20.00 – Regina Reginaphone – 20 pages – Regina Music Boxes and Reginaphone
line-up 1908 (appx)
$3.00 – Regina Music Boxes – Fold out – Disks
$5.00 – Regina Hexaphone 102 Flyer – 1914 appx

$5.00 – Regina Hexaphone 104 Flyer – 1917 appx
$10.00 – Regina Hexaphone Instruction Card inside door – Large heavy Card
stock
$2.00 – Regina Hexaphone Instruction Card pasted on Coin Drawer – Single
sheet
$5.00 – Regina Hexaphone Program Cards – 3 cards

$2.00 – Regina Caution Slip  *-- NEW *

$3.00 – Regina Special Notice (tempo adjustment) – Card stock, drilled
 *--
NEW *

$5.00 – Reginaphone List of Parts – 4 pages, large format, pictures
*--
NEW *



*VICTOR*
$12.00 – Victor III Instruction Manual – 14 pages – 1908 (appx)
$10.00 – Victrola VVIV Instruction Manual – 24 pages – 1912 (appx) with
ribbon attachment
$3.00 – Treatise on Needles – 3 page fold out – Victor Needles and Tins
$5.00 – The Victor – 6 pages – Heavy card stock – Victor 1 – 6 Line up
$10.00 – Victor Talking Machine Catalog – 16 pages – Complete 1902 line-up
$5.00 - The Victor for Every Day of the Week - Victor O - VI plus JR.

$8.00 – Victrola VV-VI Instruction Manual – 10 pages – 1912 (appx)

$10.00 – Victor Repair Parts – 24 pages – 1901 *-- NEW
*

Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi Rob,

That's the crank that I got when I bought it. Always thought it was correct but 
I guess I could be mistaken. Haven't seen another here for comparison.
Cheers,
Mario 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 18 Jul 2015, at 11:59 pm, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi
 Do you have the straight crank that came with it originally 
 Thanks
 Zono rob
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 It reads as follows:
 
 -
 Geo. W. Till
 Agent
 315 Fulton St.
 Town of Union, NJ
 -
 
 Best Regards,
 Mario
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you transcribe it 
 please?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm offering this for sale from my collection because I need to let a few 
 things go. I've had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of the 
 fiber gear is a little worn but the machine is in running order. I was 
 looking for US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a original 
 dealer stamp on the underside of the lid as you might notice.
 
 Enjoy the pics!
 
 Mario
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpg
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

Do all examples have the straight crank or only up to a certain point? Looks 
like a match made in heaven to me...

Cheers,
Mario

Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Jul 2015, at 12:30 pm, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi art
 I have one and the crank is flat
 It's a hard crank to find 
 Howard had told me
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Can you tell me what a straight crank is?  I don't see it described in the 
 Hazelcorn book.  I have the Columbia Phonograph Companion of 1999.  Is 
 there a page number?  Or is there another book?
 Thanks, Art Heller
  
 In a message dated 7/19/2015 4:24:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:
 Hi Mario
 If you read Hazelcorn
 Book. It should be a straight crank but machine looks good
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 19, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Rob,
 
 That's the crank that I got when I bought it. Always thought it was correct 
 but I guess I could be mistaken. Haven't seen another here for comparison.
 Cheers,
 Mario 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 11:59 pm, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Hi
 Do you have the straight crank that came with it originally 
 Thanks
 Zono rob
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 It reads as follows:
 
 -
 Geo. W. Till
 Agent
 315 Fulton St.
 Town of Union, NJ
 -
 
 Best Regards,
 Mario
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you transcribe 
 it please?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm offering this for sale from my collection because I need to let a 
 few things go. I've had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of 
 the fiber gear is a little worn but the machine is in running order. I 
 was looking for US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a 
 original dealer stamp on the underside of the lid as you might notice.
 
 Enjoy the pics!
 
 Mario
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpg
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpg
 
 
 

Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi Mario
If you read Hazelcorn
Book. It should be a straight crank but machine looks good

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 19, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Rob,
 
 That's the crank that I got when I bought it. Always thought it was correct 
 but I guess I could be mistaken. Haven't seen another here for comparison.
 Cheers,
 Mario 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 11:59 pm, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi
 Do you have the straight crank that came with it originally 
 Thanks
 Zono rob
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 It reads as follows:
 
 -
 Geo. W. Till
 Agent
 315 Fulton St.
 Town of Union, NJ
 -
 
 Best Regards,
 Mario
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you transcribe 
 it please?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm offering this for sale from my collection because I need to let a few 
 things go. I've had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of the 
 fiber gear is a little worn but the machine is in running order. I was 
 looking for US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a original 
 dealer stamp on the underside of the lid as you might notice.
 
 Enjoy the pics!
 
 Mario
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpg
 
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpg

Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi art
I have one and the crank is flat
It's a hard crank to find 
Howard had told me

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Can you tell me what a straight crank is?  I don't see it described in the 
 Hazelcorn book.  I have the Columbia Phonograph Companion of 1999.  Is there 
 a page number?  Or is there another book?
 Thanks, Art Heller
  
 In a message dated 7/19/2015 4:24:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:
 Hi Mario
 If you read Hazelcorn
 Book. It should be a straight crank but machine looks good
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 19, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Rob,
 
 That's the crank that I got when I bought it. Always thought it was correct 
 but I guess I could be mistaken. Haven't seen another here for comparison.
 Cheers,
 Mario 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 11:59 pm, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi
 Do you have the straight crank that came with it originally 
 Thanks
 Zono rob
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 It reads as follows:
 
 -
 Geo. W. Till
 Agent
 315 Fulton St.
 Town of Union, NJ
 -
 
 Best Regards,
 Mario
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you transcribe 
 it please?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm offering this for sale from my collection because I need to let a 
 few things go. I've had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of 
 the fiber gear is a little worn but the machine is in running order. I 
 was looking for US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a 
 original dealer stamp on the underside of the lid as you might notice.
 
 Enjoy the pics!
 
 Mario
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpg
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

Can you tell me what a straight crank is?  I don't see it described  in 
the Hazelcorn book.  I have the Columbia Phonograph Companion of  1999.  Is 
there a page number?  Or is there another book?
Thanks, Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 7/19/2015 4:24:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:

Hi Mario
If you read Hazelcorn
Book. It should be a straight crank but machine looks good

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 19, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
_phono-l@oldcrank.org_ (mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org)   wrote:




Hi Rob,


That's the crank that I got when I bought it. Always thought it was  
correct but I guess I could be mistaken. Haven't seen another here for  
comparison.
Cheers,
Mario 

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jul 2015, at 11:59 pm, Antique Phonograph List 
_phono-l@oldcrank.org_ (mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org)   wrote:




Hi
Do you have the straight crank that came with it  originally 
Thanks
Zono rob

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
_phono-l@oldcrank.org_ (mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org)   wrote:




Hi Peter,


It reads as follows:


-
Geo. W. Till
Agent
315 Fulton St.
Town of Union, NJ
-


Best Regards,
Mario

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Antique Phonograph List _phono-l@oldcrank.org_ 
(mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org)   wrote:




Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you  transcribe 
it please?

Sent from my iPhone  


-- Peter
_pjfraser@mac.com_ (mailto:pjfra...@mac.com) 


On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
_phono-l@oldcrank.org_ (mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org)   wrote:




Hi All,

I'm offering this for  sale from my collection because I need to let a few 
things go. I've  had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of the fiber 
gear is  a little worn but the machine is in running order. I was looking 
for  US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a original dealer  stamp 
on the underside of the lid as you might notice.

Enjoy the pics!

Mario


 
 







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Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi
Do you have the straight crank that came with it originally 
Thanks
Zono rob

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 It reads as follows:
 
 -
 Geo. W. Till
 Agent
 315 Fulton St.
 Town of Union, NJ
 -
 
 Best Regards,
 Mario
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you transcribe it 
 please?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm offering this for sale from my collection because I need to let a few 
 things go. I've had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of the fiber 
 gear is a little worn but the machine is in running order. I was looking 
 for US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a original dealer stamp 
 on the underside of the lid as you might notice.
 
 Enjoy the pics!
 
 Mario
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpg
 
 
 

Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi Peter,

It reads as follows:

-
Geo. W. Till
Agent
315 Fulton St.
Town of Union, NJ
-

Best Regards,
Mario

Sent from my iPhone

 On 18 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you transcribe it 
 please?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm offering this for sale from my collection because I need to let a few 
 things go. I've had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of the fiber 
 gear is a little worn but the machine is in running order. I was looking for 
 US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a original dealer stamp on 
 the underside of the lid as you might notice.
 
 Enjoy the pics!
 
 Mario
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpg
 
 

[Phono-L] Twenty-Two Nice Blue Amberols For Sale. Great titles.

[Antique Phonograph List]

Folks, 


Here is a listing of twenty-two really nice Blue Amberol four-minute cylinders 
for a way decent price - There are some excellent marches songs and a foxtrot 
in here.  I can say that there are several very desirable cylinders that would 
bring a good sum individually.  I am pricing them at one price for all - one 
money!!


All look to be very nice playable, way above average.  All in original boxes.   
 


3930 St Louis Blues Al Bernard

3592 Saber and Spure March N.Y. Military Band

3672 Miss Trombone N.Y. Military Band 

1538 I will Love You When the Silver Threads Etc. Romain

1855 What a Friend We Have in Jesus Edison Mixed Quar
 1776 God Be With You Edison Mixed Quar

1542 My Hula Hula Love Metropolitan Quar

1516 Just Before the Battle Mother Oakland

4917 I Wonder Whats Become of Sally Fox Trot Broadway Dance Orchestra

1648 Dixie N.Y. Military Band

2971 On The Beach Medley Waikiki Hawaiian Orch

1793 Whistling Jim Ada Jones

1770 Fisher's Hornpipe Medley

1752 Midnight Choo-Choo Band

2487 Its a Long Long Way to Tiperary Farrington and Chorus

3569 When I Send You a Picture of Berlin B. Murray and Cho

3368 Its a Long Long Way to Berlin But Well Get There A. Fields

3403 Camp Songs No. 2 Chorus of Males Voices

2111 The Premier Polka (Coronet) U.S. Marine Band

1574 Medely of War Songs Band

3492 The Nations Awakening March N.Y. Military Band

2104 Stars and Stripes Forever Sousa's Band


Be sure you look at them all, there are some nice titles in here!


The price is $95.00 for all. No Paypal, but checks are fine. Shipping in the US 
is a flat $10.50 - Media rate. 


If you have questions, just drop me a note at: mshawnorou...@gmail.com


Shawn






248 915 0954
Michael Shawn O'Rourke

Re: [Phono-L] Twenty-Two Nice Blue Amberols For Sale. Great titles.

[Antique Phonograph List]

The best one of the bunch in my opinion is The Premier Polka.
A truly virtuosic cornet performance with orchestra.
Andrew Baron

On Jul 18, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
wrote:

 Folks,
 
 Here is a listing of twenty-two really nice Blue Amberol four-minute 
 cylinders for a way decent price - There are some excellent marches songs and 
 a foxtrot in here.  I can say that there are several very desirable cylinders 
 that would bring a good sum individually.  I am pricing them at one price for 
 all - one money!!
 
 All look to be very nice playable, way above average.  All in original boxes. 
   
 
 3930 St Louis Blues Al Bernard
 3592 Saber and Spure March N.Y. Military Band
 3672 Miss Trombone N.Y. Military Band
 1538 I will Love You When the Silver Threads Etc. Romain
 1855 What a Friend We Have in Jesus Edison Mixed Quar
  1776 God Be With You Edison Mixed Quar
 1542 My Hula Hula Love Metropolitan Quar
 1516 Just Before the Battle Mother Oakland
 4917 I Wonder Whats Become of Sally Fox Trot Broadway Dance Orchestra
 1648 Dixie N.Y. Military Band
 2971 On The Beach Medley Waikiki Hawaiian Orch
 1793 Whistling Jim Ada Jones
 1770 Fisher's Hornpipe Medley
 1752 Midnight Choo-Choo Band
 2487 Its a Long Long Way to Tiperary Farrington and Chorus
 3569 When I Send You a Picture of Berlin B. Murray and Cho
 3368 Its a Long Long Way to Berlin But Well Get There A. Fields
 3403 Camp Songs No. 2 Chorus of Males Voices
 2111 The Premier Polka (Coronet) U.S. Marine Band
 1574 Medely of War Songs Band
 3492 The Nations Awakening March N.Y. Military Band
 2104 Stars and Stripes Forever Sousa's Band
 
 Be sure you look at them all, there are some nice titles in here!
 
 The price is $95.00 for all. No Paypal, but checks are fine. Shipping in the 
 US is a flat $10.50 - Media rate.
 
 If you have questions, just drop me a note at: mshawnorou...@gmail.com
 
 Shawn
 
 248 915 0954
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 
 

Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Graphophone Type N - 1896

[Antique Phonograph List]

Can't quite make out the details of the dealer stamp. Can you transcribe it 
please?

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm offering this for sale from my collection because I need to let a few 
 things go. I've had this type N for quite sometime, the centre of the fiber 
 gear is a little worn but the machine is in running order. I was looking for 
 US$1000 ono + shipping from Australia. There is a original dealer stamp on 
 the underside of the lid as you might notice.
 
 Enjoy the pics!
 
 Mario
 
 
 
 
 
 mime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpgmime-attachment.jpg
 

[Phono-L] New Paper Reprints Available

[Antique Phonograph List]

I have several new paper reprints available including:

Orthophonic Victrola Spring Motor Instruction Manual $8.00 - Manual for
spring-motor type Orthophonic Victrola, with great graphics, 16 pages

Orthophonic Victrola Electric Instruction Manual $8.00 - Manual for
electric type Orthophonic Victrola, with great graphics, 16 pages

*Regina Hexaphone 104 Flyer $5.00 *- Front and back advertising the Regina
104 Hexaphone
*Edison's Musical Miracle $5.00* - Edison Diamond Disks and testimony's.
Nice line drawings

*Columbia Disk Graphophone and Grafonola $10.00* - Columbia outside horn
and early inside horn machines. 32 pages - NICE

*Zonophone Flyer(1) $5.00* - Front and back advertising the ream-mount
versions of Zonophone Concert, Concert Grand, and Grand Opera

*Zonophone Flyer (2) $5.00 *- Front and back - Barn dance scene advertising
the front mount Zonophone Grand Opera

*Zonophone Flyer (3) $5.00 *- Front and back - Barn dance scene advertising
the front mount Zonophone Eclipse

All are high-quality reproductions. No PayPal.  Checks are fine.  Most
items ship for around $1.00

Reply to mshawnorou...@gmail.com with interest.

Thank you

-- 
Shawn O'Rourke
(248) 915 0954 #[image: Inline image 3] #[image: Inline image 2] #[image:
Inline image 1] #

[Phono-L] A sobering article in today's wall street journal

[Antique Phonograph List]

They do not mention, records, phonographs or related ephemera but it's
very much true for we collectors as well:  (and - yes a have a sub
collection of matchbook covers that advertise phonographs and records.

_What’s  the Hardest Thing for Collectors to Find? Someone Who Wants Their
Stuff -  WSJ_
(http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10377601820344704643704581052192921577246)

Steve Ramm

[Phono-L] Home Page Of Heindl Collection

[Antique Phonograph List]

  
Hi All,

Here is the home page of Dennis D. Heindl's  phonograph collection. It  
includes video of Class M Opera, listening lounge, vintage photos of  
phonographs, links and views of his growing collection.
 
Joan Lehman
 
 
http://phono-fun.com/index3.html

Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines

[Antique Phonograph List]

Steve, maybe this will help -

http://phono-fun.com/welcome.html

Loran

Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines

[Antique Phonograph List]

He owns a sports franchise . . . hockey, I think . . . and has been a steady 
customer of two brothers from California.

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:20:52 +

Steve, maybe this will help -
http://phono-fun.com/welcome.html

Loran

  

[Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines

[Antique Phonograph List]

http://phono-fun.com/EDISON-CYLINDER/
 
I am looking to verify the serial number of the 80 as the photo of the ID plate 
is not clear.
 
Steve Medved
 
steve_nor...@msn.com  
  

Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines

[Antique Phonograph List]

And he uses inappropriate apostrophes and capitalization. John Robles

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: 06/24/2015  6:46 PM  (GMT-08:00)
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines

He owns a sports franchise . . . hockey, I think . . . and has been a steady 
customer of two brothers from California.

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:20:52 +

Steve, maybe this will help -
http://phono-fun.com/welcome.html

Loran

Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines

[Antique Phonograph List]

Looks like he is an owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates and has been (may yet  
be) an owner of Laurel Media (a radio station in Pittsburgh).  Through  
Google you can see his collection.  Unbelievable collection apparently  
achieved 
in the last few years.  Looks very much like Aaron Cramer's  collection.  I 
wonder how many times he has actually worked with each of  these phonos if 
he really is a recently initiated collector. 
 Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 6/24/2015 9:13:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:

And he  uses inappropriate apostrophes and capitalization.   
John Robles


 Original message 
From:  Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Date: 06/24/2015 6:46  PM (GMT-08:00) 
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org  
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines 

He owns a sports franchise . . . hockey, I think . . . and has  been a 
steady customer of two brothers from California.

 

 From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and  machines
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:20:52  +


Steve, maybe this will help -


_http://phono-fun.com/welcome.html_ 
(http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/phono-fun.com?p=eyJzIjoiaHhQNkRjUEZwUEtQSkM4ZlNEbEdLZEhnWkV3IiwidiI6MSw
icCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvcGhvbm8
tZnVuLmNvbVxcXC93ZWxjb21lLmh0bWxcIixcImlkXCI6XCJjNmJkYjNmOTZjZWQ0MjBjYTc1Nzg
3YjI3ZGY1NmRhOVwiLFwidXJsX2lkc1wiOltcIjUxNDA0ZmFkY2M3ZGRiZGU1MjBmZTc1NzQzYzg
2YmU0OGJhNThjNmVcIl19In0) 



Loran

Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines

[Antique Phonograph List]

That is what I think as well. 

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:54:33 +

It looks like serial number 1004 to me...
  


 On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 11:08 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:


 


http://phono-fun.com/EDISON-CYLINDER/
 
I am looking to verify the serial number of the 80 as the photo of the ID plate 
is not clear.
 
Steve Medved
 
steve_nor...@msn.com  
  



 

  

Re: [Phono-L] Who owns this website and machines

[Antique Phonograph List]

It looks like serial number 1004 to me...



 On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 11:08 AM, Antique Phonograph List 
phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote:


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I am looking to verify the serial number of the 80 as the photo of the ID plate 
is not clear.
 
Steve Medved
 
steve_nor...@msn.com 
 

Re: [Phono-L] TrueTone Diamond Disc diaphragms/gaskets available

[Antique Phonograph List]

I am using a later prototype and I think one final design.  Both sound great
to me.   It is so hard to judge what the sound should be since original
gaskets have had so much time to change, whether it be to excessive heat,
dampness, loss of volatile components from the material holding the rice
paper together etc.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 2:42 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] TrueTone Diamond Disc diaphragms/gaskets available

 

Hello All

 

I am selling the TrueTone Diamond Disc diaphragms and gasket sets.  I
currently have three sets left.  These diaphragms give a warm tone and cut
out a lot of surface noise.  They are hand made on a dense foam material
with a cord link, and give beautiful results.  I sell them at cost, which is
what the manufacturer does too.  Improving the playback of our machines is
his interest, not profit.

The diaphragms, gaskets and Priority Mail postage come to $28.00.  If
interested, please respond privately to john9...@pacbell.net

Thank you

 

John Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] TrueTone Diamond Disc diaphragms/gaskets available

[Antique Phonograph List]

These that I have are final design.  I bought one for myself and liked the 
results so much that I wanted to help distribute them.John R.
  From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 8:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] TrueTone Diamond Disc diaphragms/gaskets available

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Both sound great to me.   It is so hard to judge what the sound should be 
since original gaskets have had so much time to change, whether it be to 
excessive heat, dampness, loss of volatile components from the material holding 
the rice paper together etc.  Ron L  

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 2:42 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] TrueTone Diamond Disc diaphragms/gaskets available  Hello 
All  I am selling the TrueTone Diamond Disc diaphragms and gasket sets.  I 
currently have three sets left.  These diaphragms give a warm tone and cut out 
a lot of surface noise.  They are hand made on a dense foam material with a 
cord link, and give beautiful results.  I sell them at cost, which is what the 
manufacturer does too.  Improving the playback of our machines is his interest, 
not profit.The diaphragms, gaskets and Priority Mail postage come to $28.00.  
If interested, please respond privately to john9ten@pacbell.netThank you  John 
Robles

[Phono-L] TV alert - Edison show on National Geographic Channel tomorrow - Monday

[Antique Phonograph List]

The Nat Geo channel on cable (I don't have cable) has a new series called  
American Genius. Tomorrow night (Monday, June 22nd) they are airing an  
episode called Edison vs. Tesla. It's a recreation with comments from  
authorities (on both men). From the 2 1/2 minute except I saw Paul Israel  
(for the Edison Papers) is the one authority on Edison.
 
Anyway, the production values look high and the full episode should be  
available to watch on-line on your PC by end of the week. (other episodes -  
not dealing with Edison - are up now. Here is a link to the info page, where  
you can see the promo video.
 
_Edison  vs. Tesla - American Genius Episode - National Geographic Channel_ 
(http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/american-genius/episodes/edison-vs-te
sla/)  
 
Thought you'd all appreciate the heads up. 
 
Steve Ramm

[Phono-L] Correction re: Nat Geo Edison show

[Antique Phonograph List]

 



I just went to watch one of the prior episodes and learned that it is  only 
available to stream on line if yiu have a cable contract with a cable  
provider.
 
This may limit folks wanting to see it. Too bad.
 
Steve Ramm