RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-05 Thread Boaz Yahav

Just to make things clear, PHP/FI was the basis, not so many people
used it in comparison to PHP3/4. PHP3 was designed by more than one
developer (actually more like 4-6).

-Original Message-
From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 12:19 AM
To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


I understand your concerns, but with this type of logic this mailing list
not not be around.  Niether would Linux, Apache, MySql or anyother open
source tool that so many people utilize today.  We would all be on NT
instead of Linux and using IIS with ASP instead of PHP.  Do think Ramsus
when he started out on PHP/FI was thinking I am only one person I shouldn't
even try to make it because the big guys are more reliable.  Or Linus
thought the same thing when he made his first kernel.  I really doubt it,
and neither did I when I decided to take a chance learn PHP/FI on Linux
using Apache about 5 years ago.  Look at where they are today and the
bazillion people who rely on the tools that one or two people took the time
and a chance on developing.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952

- Original Message -
From: "Boaz Yahav" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'Robert Covell'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Boaz Yahav"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Ben Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chris Mason"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "Php-General" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


 No need to get upset :) just stating MHO (nothing personal).

 In your own words you say : "People have taken a chance with me"
 and that's really what they did. Cause you know what happens to
 backup plans that don't have backup plans that don't...

 I'm assuming that there may be an audience for this kind of hosting
 but personally I wouldn't host my site under such circumstances.

 Prices are so cheep today and you can get so much for so less with
 many ISP's that have a department of people running the show.

 As for the Service, well, if you chose a company and don't like the
service
 you can always go somewhere else. Most companies that I worked with
 gave amazing service.

 Today I work with PhenomiNET and the service is simply amazing.
 you can look at what they offer here :

 http://www.weberdev.com/index.php3?GoTo=phenominet/prices.htm

 This is your one stop shop for hosting. WeberDev.com is hosted there
 and I can tell you that their service is amazing. They are fast, reliable
 and more than anything, very professional (specially in PHP / MySQL).

 Sincerely

   berber

 Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!!
 To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:40 PM
 To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
 Cc: Php-General
 Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


 I shouldn't even reply to this...

 Yes I would host with me.

 Have you ever heard of a backup plan.  People that would step in if
 something happens to me?  People that I trust to keep the company going if
 it fails.

 With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give
a
 rats ass about them or their business.  How many big companies redirect
your
 call, or brush you away when problems occur.  I been over backwards for my
 clients.  Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out
 there.  That is why people do and will continue to host with me.  Like I
 said, I plan on hiring people in the near future.  Things take time to
 evolve.

 I am not saying that my company is for everyone.  If you don't like a one
 man shop then don't go there.  People have taken a chance with me and have
 not been disappointed like so many times before.

 Sincerely,

 Robert T. Covell
 President / Owner
 Rolet Internet Services, LLC
 Web: www.rolet.com
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Phone: 816.210.7145
 Fax: 816.753.1952

 -Original Message-
 From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM
 To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
 Cc: Php-General
 Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


 And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you...
 120 People / Companies would be left with a server
 that no one knows the root password too?

 With all due respect, how can someone in his
 right mind host with a one man gang company?

 For all I know you can be a hosting genius and
 give the best service around  but you are still one
 man.

 Would you host with you ? :)

 Sincerely

   berber

 Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!!
 To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sen

RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-04 Thread PHPBeginner.com

Well, I'll contribute to the discussion whether you like or not...

For a year I was running a website on Canaca.com (former Nortel.no) ...
They've been nice, I though ...

Then I once tried one weird thing:
?='PRE'.show_code('/usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf').'/PRE'? from a
simple PHP page ...

hmm ...  Not only I broke to the hell their security, but I also found 342
matches under a simple search for /virtual ..

I then quickly understood that I wasn't the only *unhappy* customer on the
server ...  there were 341 MORE!!!

I stayed with them until my contract ended and then added my friend to my
business and rented a dedicated server on insidecrew.net for something like
$200 a month ...

Too much you'll say? But we have a root access now on an extremely cute
FreeBSD machine... We are now reselling some of our space to *these who we
know* and the price drops dramatically, we can add more projects AND WE ARE
THE ROOTS not the rats...

So my advice : if you run more then one project, preferably not alone, and
know others who is willing to do the same : add them in and get yourself a
real server!

Of course it only works for these who know the systems ... not for small
businesses... these need some help...

My point is simple: Yes it is better to be hosted by a smaller company, but,
only if they are responsible enough not to put too many others up there ...
and it all have to cost less then a big company, otherwise I myself will
become a company.

Can you do it?

Sincerely,

 Maxim Maletsky
 Founder, Chief Developer

 PHPBeginner.com (Where PHP Begins)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.phpbeginner.com



-Original Message-
From: Navid Yar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 6:27 AM
To: 'Robert Covell'; 'Boaz Yahav'; 'Ben Peter'; 'Chris Mason'
Cc: 'Php-General'
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


Actually, there is nothing wrong with a one-manned hosting service. I agree
with Robert in this, there are a lot of big hosting companies that don't
really have a personal hold of their business to really care about their
clients. To them everything is automated and all they do is hire customer
service people who are only taught to, well, "serve customers" with answers
to questions they don't know in the first place. They just read from the
script and have basic step-by-step trouble shooting instructions in front of
them to solve a client's problems/requests. If you need an updated software
package, like PHP4, froman old PHP3 engine, you'de have to beg for it and
you might have to go through several layers of support just for that request
to go through. Let me remind you that the software is free of charge. If the
request is accepted, then more power to you. If it's not then you'll have to
deal with it until you decide to find another host.

I have one question for you Robert. XML has been in the market for a long
time (since 1998), and the recommendations are now set to a true standard.
Why do most hosting services not have support for XML based languages yet?
Thanks...

Navid Yar



-Original Message-
From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:40 PM
To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


I shouldn't even reply to this...

Yes I would host with me.

Have you ever heard of a backup plan.  People that would step in if
something happens to me?  People that I trust to keep the company going if
it fails.

With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give a
rats ass about them or their business.  How many big companies redirect your
call, or brush you away when problems occur.  I been over backwards for my
clients.  Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out
there.  That is why people do and will continue to host with me.  Like I
said, I plan on hiring people in the near future.  Things take time to
evolve.

I am not saying that my company is for everyone.  If you don't like a one
man shop then don't go there.  People have taken a chance with me and have
not been disappointed like so many times before.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952

-Original Message-
From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM
To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you...
120 People / Companies would be left with a server
that no one knows the root password too?

With all due respect, how can someone in his
right mind host with a one man gang company?

For all I know you can be a hosting genius and
give the best service around  but you are still one
man.

Would you host with you ? :)

Sincerely

  berber

Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today

Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-04 Thread Robert Covell

I understand your concerns, but with this type of logic this mailing list
not not be around.  Niether would Linux, Apache, MySql or anyother open
source tool that so many people utilize today.  We would all be on NT
instead of Linux and using IIS with ASP instead of PHP.  Do think Ramsus
when he started out on PHP/FI was thinking I am only one person I shouldn't
even try to make it because the big guys are more reliable.  Or Linus
thought the same thing when he made his first kernel.  I really doubt it,
and neither did I when I decided to take a chance learn PHP/FI on Linux
using Apache about 5 years ago.  Look at where they are today and the
bazillion people who rely on the tools that one or two people took the time
and a chance on developing.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952

- Original Message -
From: "Boaz Yahav" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'Robert Covell'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Boaz Yahav"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Ben Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chris Mason"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "Php-General" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


 No need to get upset :) just stating MHO (nothing personal).

 In your own words you say : "People have taken a chance with me"
 and that's really what they did. Cause you know what happens to
 backup plans that don't have backup plans that don't...

 I'm assuming that there may be an audience for this kind of hosting
 but personally I wouldn't host my site under such circumstances.

 Prices are so cheep today and you can get so much for so less with
 many ISP's that have a department of people running the show.

 As for the Service, well, if you chose a company and don't like the
service
 you can always go somewhere else. Most companies that I worked with
 gave amazing service.

 Today I work with PhenomiNET and the service is simply amazing.
 you can look at what they offer here :

 http://www.weberdev.com/index.php3?GoTo=phenominet/prices.htm

 This is your one stop shop for hosting. WeberDev.com is hosted there
 and I can tell you that their service is amazing. They are fast, reliable
 and more than anything, very professional (specially in PHP / MySQL).

 Sincerely

   berber

 Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!!
 To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:40 PM
 To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
 Cc: Php-General
 Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


 I shouldn't even reply to this...

 Yes I would host with me.

 Have you ever heard of a backup plan.  People that would step in if
 something happens to me?  People that I trust to keep the company going if
 it fails.

 With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give
a
 rats ass about them or their business.  How many big companies redirect
your
 call, or brush you away when problems occur.  I been over backwards for my
 clients.  Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out
 there.  That is why people do and will continue to host with me.  Like I
 said, I plan on hiring people in the near future.  Things take time to
 evolve.

 I am not saying that my company is for everyone.  If you don't like a one
 man shop then don't go there.  People have taken a chance with me and have
 not been disappointed like so many times before.

 Sincerely,

 Robert T. Covell
 President / Owner
 Rolet Internet Services, LLC
 Web: www.rolet.com
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Phone: 816.210.7145
 Fax: 816.753.1952

 -Original Message-
 From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM
 To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
 Cc: Php-General
 Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


 And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you...
 120 People / Companies would be left with a server
 that no one knows the root password too?

 With all due respect, how can someone in his
 right mind host with a one man gang company?

 For all I know you can be a hosting genius and
 give the best service around  but you are still one
 man.

 Would you host with you ? :)

 Sincerely

   berber

 Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!!
 To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:16 PM
 To: Ben Peter; Chris Mason
 Cc: Php-General
 Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


 I am going to have to disagree on this one.

 I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com).
 My employees total 1 (me, myself and I).  The number of clients hosted is
 roughly 120.  I provide a wide variety of services on Linu

Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-04 Thread Christian Reiniger

On Sunday 04 February 2001 23:18, Robert Covell wrote:
 I understand your concerns, but with this type of logic this mailing
 list not not be around.  Niether would Linux, Apache, MySql or anyother
 open source tool that so many people utilize today.  We would all be on
 NT instead of Linux and using IIS with ASP instead of PHP.  Do think
 Ramsus when he started out on PHP/FI was thinking I am only one person
 I shouldn't even try to make it because the big guys are more reliable.

That's comparing apples to oranges. If all of Rasmus's computers fail 
while he's on holiday for 3 weeks, who cares? (Sorry Rasmus :)
If some machine at a hosting company shows glitches while the only admin 
is sick, things will be very bad for the hosted people/companies.

-- 
Christian Reiniger
LGDC Webmaster (http://sunsite.dk/lgdc/)

The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not "Eureka", but "That's funny..."

- Isaac Asimov

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Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-04 Thread Robert Covell

I agree, point taken...

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952


- Original Message - 
From: "Christian Reiniger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Php-General" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


On Sunday 04 February 2001 23:18, Robert Covell wrote:
 I understand your concerns, but with this type of logic this mailing
 list not not be around.  Niether would Linux, Apache, MySql or anyother
 open source tool that so many people utilize today.  We would all be on
 NT instead of Linux and using IIS with ASP instead of PHP.  Do think
 Ramsus when he started out on PHP/FI was thinking I am only one person
 I shouldn't even try to make it because the big guys are more reliable.

That's comparing apples to oranges. If all of Rasmus's computers fail 
while he's on holiday for 3 weeks, who cares? (Sorry Rasmus :)
If some machine at a hosting company shows glitches while the only admin 
is sick, things will be very bad for the hosted people/companies.

-- 
Christian Reiniger
LGDC Webmaster (http://sunsite.dk/lgdc/)

The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not "Eureka", but "That's funny..."

- Isaac Asimov

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[PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-03 Thread Chris Mason

I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that
the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is
often insufficient for PHP developers.
With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP
projects.

The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the
latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and
will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low
user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The
machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet
feeds, and all the other essential requirements.

I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will
stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and
better.

I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with
configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company
but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale.

Let me know what you think, guys.


Chris Mason
Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies
Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463
USA Fax (561) 382-7771
Take a virtual tour of the island
http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide
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Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-03 Thread Ben Peter

Chris,

This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man
with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have
hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I
couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be
granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I
think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and
you will want holidays.

Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much. 

Cheers,
Ben

Chris Mason wrote:
 
 I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that
 the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is
 often insufficient for PHP developers.
 With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP
 projects.
 
 The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the
 latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and
 will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low
 user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The
 machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet
 feeds, and all the other essential requirements.
 
 I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will
 stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and
 better.
 
 I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with
 configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company
 but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale.
 
 Let me know what you think, guys.
 
 Chris Mason
 Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies
 Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463
 USA Fax (561) 382-7771
 Take a virtual tour of the island
 http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide
 Find out more about NetConcepts
 www.netconcepts.ai
 Talk to me in real time with Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-03 Thread Chris Mason

Yes, I'm very aware of this, but I'm not the only one here, there are three of
us.


Ben Peter wrote:

 Chris,

 This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man
 with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have
 hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I
 couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be
 granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I
 think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and
 you will want holidays.

 Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much.

 Cheers,
 Ben

 Chris Mason wrote:
 
  I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that
  the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is
  often insufficient for PHP developers.
  With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP
  projects.
 
  The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the
  latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and
  will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low
  user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The
  machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet
  feeds, and all the other essential requirements.
 
  I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will
  stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and
  better.
 
  I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with
  configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company
  but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale.
 
  Let me know what you think, guys.
 
  Chris Mason
  Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies
  Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463
  USA Fax (561) 382-7771
  Take a virtual tour of the island
  http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide
  Find out more about NetConcepts
  www.netconcepts.ai
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RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-03 Thread Robert Covell

I am going to have to disagree on this one.

I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com).
My employees total 1 (me, myself and I).  The number of clients hosted is
roughly 120.  I provide a wide variety of services on Linux, FreeBSD, NT,
and W2K.  Yes it is hard to believe that 1 person can be available 24x7, or
not take vacations, but this is what I do and LOVE every second of it.  I
value customer satisfaction and strive to provide that best Internet
services possible.  For me this is a career for life, not just a job.  So I
do believe that 1 person can be available 24x7 and not take vacations.
Don't get me wrong, some days it is tough.  I would like to have other
employees in the future, but don't mind the sacrifices taken to get there.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Peter
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:59 AM
To: Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


Chris,

This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man
with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have
hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I
couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be
granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I
think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and
you will want holidays.

Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much.

Cheers,
Ben

Chris Mason wrote:

 I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that
 the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is
 often insufficient for PHP developers.
 With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP
 projects.

 The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the
 latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP,
and
 will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a
low
 user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow.
The
 machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large
internet
 feeds, and all the other essential requirements.

 I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and
will
 stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and
 better.

 I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with
 configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting
company
 but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale.

 Let me know what you think, guys.

 Chris Mason
 Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies
 Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463
 USA Fax (561) 382-7771
 Take a virtual tour of the island
 http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide
 Find out more about NetConcepts
 www.netconcepts.ai
 Talk to me in real time with Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-03 Thread Boaz Yahav

And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you...
120 People / Companies would be left with a server
that no one knows the root password too?

With all due respect, how can someone in his
right mind host with a one man gang company?

For all I know you can be a hosting genius and
give the best service around  but you are still one
man.

Would you host with you ? :)

Sincerely

  berber

Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! 
To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.
 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:16 PM
To: Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


I am going to have to disagree on this one.

I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com).
My employees total 1 (me, myself and I).  The number of clients hosted is
roughly 120.  I provide a wide variety of services on Linux, FreeBSD, NT,
and W2K.  Yes it is hard to believe that 1 person can be available 24x7, or
not take vacations, but this is what I do and LOVE every second of it.  I
value customer satisfaction and strive to provide that best Internet
services possible.  For me this is a career for life, not just a job.  So I
do believe that 1 person can be available 24x7 and not take vacations.
Don't get me wrong, some days it is tough.  I would like to have other
employees in the future, but don't mind the sacrifices taken to get there.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Peter
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:59 AM
To: Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


Chris,

This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man
with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have
hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I
couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be
granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I
think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and
you will want holidays.

Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much.

Cheers,
Ben

Chris Mason wrote:

 I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that
 the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is
 often insufficient for PHP developers.
 With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP
 projects.

 The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the
 latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP,
and
 will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a
low
 user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow.
The
 machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large
internet
 feeds, and all the other essential requirements.

 I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and
will
 stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and
 better.

 I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with
 configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting
company
 but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale.

 Let me know what you think, guys.

 Chris Mason
 Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies
 Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463
 USA Fax (561) 382-7771
 Take a virtual tour of the island
 http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide
 Find out more about NetConcepts
 www.netconcepts.ai
 Talk to me in real time with Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-03 Thread Robert Covell

I shouldn't even reply to this...

Yes I would host with me.

Have you ever heard of a backup plan.  People that would step in if
something happens to me?  People that I trust to keep the company going if
it fails.

With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give a
rats ass about them or their business.  How many big companies redirect your
call, or brush you away when problems occur.  I been over backwards for my
clients.  Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out
there.  That is why people do and will continue to host with me.  Like I
said, I plan on hiring people in the near future.  Things take time to
evolve.

I am not saying that my company is for everyone.  If you don't like a one
man shop then don't go there.  People have taken a chance with me and have
not been disappointed like so many times before.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952

-Original Message-
From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM
To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you...
120 People / Companies would be left with a server
that no one knows the root password too?

With all due respect, how can someone in his
right mind host with a one man gang company?

For all I know you can be a hosting genius and
give the best service around  but you are still one
man.

Would you host with you ? :)

Sincerely

  berber

Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!!
To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.


-Original Message-
From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:16 PM
To: Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


I am going to have to disagree on this one.

I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com).
My employees total 1 (me, myself and I).  The number of clients hosted is
roughly 120.  I provide a wide variety of services on Linux, FreeBSD, NT,
and W2K.  Yes it is hard to believe that 1 person can be available 24x7, or
not take vacations, but this is what I do and LOVE every second of it.  I
value customer satisfaction and strive to provide that best Internet
services possible.  For me this is a career for life, not just a job.  So I
do believe that 1 person can be available 24x7 and not take vacations.
Don't get me wrong, some days it is tough.  I would like to have other
employees in the future, but don't mind the sacrifices taken to get there.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Peter
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:59 AM
To: Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


Chris,

This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man
with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have
hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I
couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be
granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I
think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and
you will want holidays.

Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much.

Cheers,
Ben

Chris Mason wrote:

 I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that
 the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is
 often insufficient for PHP developers.
 With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP
 projects.

 The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the
 latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP,
and
 will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a
low
 user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow.
The
 machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large
internet
 feeds, and all the other essential requirements.

 I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and
will
 stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and
 better.

 I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with
 configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting
company
 but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale.

 Let me know what you think, guys.

 Chris Mason
 Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies
 Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463
 USA Fax (561) 382-7771
 Take a virtual tour of the island
 http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide
 Find

RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.

2001-02-03 Thread Navid Yar

Actually, there is nothing wrong with a one-manned hosting service. I agree
with Robert in this, there are a lot of big hosting companies that don't
really have a personal hold of their business to really care about their
clients. To them everything is automated and all they do is hire customer
service people who are only taught to, well, "serve customers" with answers
to questions they don't know in the first place. They just read from the
script and have basic step-by-step trouble shooting instructions in front of
them to solve a client's problems/requests. If you need an updated software
package, like PHP4, froman old PHP3 engine, you'de have to beg for it and
you might have to go through several layers of support just for that request
to go through. Let me remind you that the software is free of charge. If the
request is accepted, then more power to you. If it's not then you'll have to
deal with it until you decide to find another host.

I have one question for you Robert. XML has been in the market for a long
time (since 1998), and the recommendations are now set to a true standard.
Why do most hosting services not have support for XML based languages yet?
Thanks...

Navid Yar



-Original Message-
From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:40 PM
To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


I shouldn't even reply to this...

Yes I would host with me.

Have you ever heard of a backup plan.  People that would step in if
something happens to me?  People that I trust to keep the company going if
it fails.

With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give a
rats ass about them or their business.  How many big companies redirect your
call, or brush you away when problems occur.  I been over backwards for my
clients.  Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out
there.  That is why people do and will continue to host with me.  Like I
said, I plan on hiring people in the near future.  Things take time to
evolve.

I am not saying that my company is for everyone.  If you don't like a one
man shop then don't go there.  People have taken a chance with me and have
not been disappointed like so many times before.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952

-Original Message-
From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM
To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you...
120 People / Companies would be left with a server
that no one knows the root password too?

With all due respect, how can someone in his
right mind host with a one man gang company?

For all I know you can be a hosting genius and
give the best service around  but you are still one
man.

Would you host with you ? :)

Sincerely

  berber

Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!!
To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.


-Original Message-
From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:16 PM
To: Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


I am going to have to disagree on this one.

I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com).
My employees total 1 (me, myself and I).  The number of clients hosted is
roughly 120.  I provide a wide variety of services on Linux, FreeBSD, NT,
and W2K.  Yes it is hard to believe that 1 person can be available 24x7, or
not take vacations, but this is what I do and LOVE every second of it.  I
value customer satisfaction and strive to provide that best Internet
services possible.  For me this is a career for life, not just a job.  So I
do believe that 1 person can be available 24x7 and not take vacations.
Don't get me wrong, some days it is tough.  I would like to have other
employees in the future, but don't mind the sacrifices taken to get there.

Sincerely,

Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Peter
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:59 AM
To: Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.


Chris,

This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man
with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have
hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I
couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be
granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I
think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/