RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
Just to make things clear, PHP/FI was the basis, not so many people used it in comparison to PHP3/4. PHP3 was designed by more than one developer (actually more like 4-6). -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 12:19 AM To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. I understand your concerns, but with this type of logic this mailing list not not be around. Niether would Linux, Apache, MySql or anyother open source tool that so many people utilize today. We would all be on NT instead of Linux and using IIS with ASP instead of PHP. Do think Ramsus when he started out on PHP/FI was thinking I am only one person I shouldn't even try to make it because the big guys are more reliable. Or Linus thought the same thing when he made his first kernel. I really doubt it, and neither did I when I decided to take a chance learn PHP/FI on Linux using Apache about 5 years ago. Look at where they are today and the bazillion people who rely on the tools that one or two people took the time and a chance on developing. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 - Original Message - From: "Boaz Yahav" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Robert Covell'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Boaz Yahav" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Ben Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chris Mason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Php-General" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. No need to get upset :) just stating MHO (nothing personal). In your own words you say : "People have taken a chance with me" and that's really what they did. Cause you know what happens to backup plans that don't have backup plans that don't... I'm assuming that there may be an audience for this kind of hosting but personally I wouldn't host my site under such circumstances. Prices are so cheep today and you can get so much for so less with many ISP's that have a department of people running the show. As for the Service, well, if you chose a company and don't like the service you can always go somewhere else. Most companies that I worked with gave amazing service. Today I work with PhenomiNET and the service is simply amazing. you can look at what they offer here : http://www.weberdev.com/index.php3?GoTo=phenominet/prices.htm This is your one stop shop for hosting. WeberDev.com is hosted there and I can tell you that their service is amazing. They are fast, reliable and more than anything, very professional (specially in PHP / MySQL). Sincerely berber Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:40 PM To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. I shouldn't even reply to this... Yes I would host with me. Have you ever heard of a backup plan. People that would step in if something happens to me? People that I trust to keep the company going if it fails. With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give a rats ass about them or their business. How many big companies redirect your call, or brush you away when problems occur. I been over backwards for my clients. Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out there. That is why people do and will continue to host with me. Like I said, I plan on hiring people in the near future. Things take time to evolve. I am not saying that my company is for everyone. If you don't like a one man shop then don't go there. People have taken a chance with me and have not been disappointed like so many times before. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 -Original Message- From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you... 120 People / Companies would be left with a server that no one knows the root password too? With all due respect, how can someone in his right mind host with a one man gang company? For all I know you can be a hosting genius and give the best service around but you are still one man. Would you host with you ? :) Sincerely berber Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sen
RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
Well, I'll contribute to the discussion whether you like or not...
For a year I was running a website on Canaca.com (former Nortel.no) ...
They've been nice, I though ...
Then I once tried one weird thing:
?='PRE'.show_code('/usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf').'/PRE'? from a
simple PHP page ...
hmm ... Not only I broke to the hell their security, but I also found 342
matches under a simple search for /virtual ..
I then quickly understood that I wasn't the only *unhappy* customer on the
server ... there were 341 MORE!!!
I stayed with them until my contract ended and then added my friend to my
business and rented a dedicated server on insidecrew.net for something like
$200 a month ...
Too much you'll say? But we have a root access now on an extremely cute
FreeBSD machine... We are now reselling some of our space to *these who we
know* and the price drops dramatically, we can add more projects AND WE ARE
THE ROOTS not the rats...
So my advice : if you run more then one project, preferably not alone, and
know others who is willing to do the same : add them in and get yourself a
real server!
Of course it only works for these who know the systems ... not for small
businesses... these need some help...
My point is simple: Yes it is better to be hosted by a smaller company, but,
only if they are responsible enough not to put too many others up there ...
and it all have to cost less then a big company, otherwise I myself will
become a company.
Can you do it?
Sincerely,
Maxim Maletsky
Founder, Chief Developer
PHPBeginner.com (Where PHP Begins)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.phpbeginner.com
-Original Message-
From: Navid Yar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 6:27 AM
To: 'Robert Covell'; 'Boaz Yahav'; 'Ben Peter'; 'Chris Mason'
Cc: 'Php-General'
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
Actually, there is nothing wrong with a one-manned hosting service. I agree
with Robert in this, there are a lot of big hosting companies that don't
really have a personal hold of their business to really care about their
clients. To them everything is automated and all they do is hire customer
service people who are only taught to, well, "serve customers" with answers
to questions they don't know in the first place. They just read from the
script and have basic step-by-step trouble shooting instructions in front of
them to solve a client's problems/requests. If you need an updated software
package, like PHP4, froman old PHP3 engine, you'de have to beg for it and
you might have to go through several layers of support just for that request
to go through. Let me remind you that the software is free of charge. If the
request is accepted, then more power to you. If it's not then you'll have to
deal with it until you decide to find another host.
I have one question for you Robert. XML has been in the market for a long
time (since 1998), and the recommendations are now set to a true standard.
Why do most hosting services not have support for XML based languages yet?
Thanks...
Navid Yar
-Original Message-
From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:40 PM
To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
I shouldn't even reply to this...
Yes I would host with me.
Have you ever heard of a backup plan. People that would step in if
something happens to me? People that I trust to keep the company going if
it fails.
With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give a
rats ass about them or their business. How many big companies redirect your
call, or brush you away when problems occur. I been over backwards for my
clients. Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out
there. That is why people do and will continue to host with me. Like I
said, I plan on hiring people in the near future. Things take time to
evolve.
I am not saying that my company is for everyone. If you don't like a one
man shop then don't go there. People have taken a chance with me and have
not been disappointed like so many times before.
Sincerely,
Robert T. Covell
President / Owner
Rolet Internet Services, LLC
Web: www.rolet.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 816.210.7145
Fax: 816.753.1952
-Original Message-
From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM
To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason
Cc: Php-General
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you...
120 People / Companies would be left with a server
that no one knows the root password too?
With all due respect, how can someone in his
right mind host with a one man gang company?
For all I know you can be a hosting genius and
give the best service around but you are still one
man.
Would you host with you ? :)
Sincerely
berber
Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today
Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
I understand your concerns, but with this type of logic this mailing list not not be around. Niether would Linux, Apache, MySql or anyother open source tool that so many people utilize today. We would all be on NT instead of Linux and using IIS with ASP instead of PHP. Do think Ramsus when he started out on PHP/FI was thinking I am only one person I shouldn't even try to make it because the big guys are more reliable. Or Linus thought the same thing when he made his first kernel. I really doubt it, and neither did I when I decided to take a chance learn PHP/FI on Linux using Apache about 5 years ago. Look at where they are today and the bazillion people who rely on the tools that one or two people took the time and a chance on developing. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 - Original Message - From: "Boaz Yahav" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Robert Covell'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Boaz Yahav" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Ben Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chris Mason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Php-General" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. No need to get upset :) just stating MHO (nothing personal). In your own words you say : "People have taken a chance with me" and that's really what they did. Cause you know what happens to backup plans that don't have backup plans that don't... I'm assuming that there may be an audience for this kind of hosting but personally I wouldn't host my site under such circumstances. Prices are so cheep today and you can get so much for so less with many ISP's that have a department of people running the show. As for the Service, well, if you chose a company and don't like the service you can always go somewhere else. Most companies that I worked with gave amazing service. Today I work with PhenomiNET and the service is simply amazing. you can look at what they offer here : http://www.weberdev.com/index.php3?GoTo=phenominet/prices.htm This is your one stop shop for hosting. WeberDev.com is hosted there and I can tell you that their service is amazing. They are fast, reliable and more than anything, very professional (specially in PHP / MySQL). Sincerely berber Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:40 PM To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. I shouldn't even reply to this... Yes I would host with me. Have you ever heard of a backup plan. People that would step in if something happens to me? People that I trust to keep the company going if it fails. With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give a rats ass about them or their business. How many big companies redirect your call, or brush you away when problems occur. I been over backwards for my clients. Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out there. That is why people do and will continue to host with me. Like I said, I plan on hiring people in the near future. Things take time to evolve. I am not saying that my company is for everyone. If you don't like a one man shop then don't go there. People have taken a chance with me and have not been disappointed like so many times before. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 -Original Message- From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you... 120 People / Companies would be left with a server that no one knows the root password too? With all due respect, how can someone in his right mind host with a one man gang company? For all I know you can be a hosting genius and give the best service around but you are still one man. Would you host with you ? :) Sincerely berber Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:16 PM To: Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. I am going to have to disagree on this one. I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com). My employees total 1 (me, myself and I). The number of clients hosted is roughly 120. I provide a wide variety of services on Linu
Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
On Sunday 04 February 2001 23:18, Robert Covell wrote: I understand your concerns, but with this type of logic this mailing list not not be around. Niether would Linux, Apache, MySql or anyother open source tool that so many people utilize today. We would all be on NT instead of Linux and using IIS with ASP instead of PHP. Do think Ramsus when he started out on PHP/FI was thinking I am only one person I shouldn't even try to make it because the big guys are more reliable. That's comparing apples to oranges. If all of Rasmus's computers fail while he's on holiday for 3 weeks, who cares? (Sorry Rasmus :) If some machine at a hosting company shows glitches while the only admin is sick, things will be very bad for the hosted people/companies. -- Christian Reiniger LGDC Webmaster (http://sunsite.dk/lgdc/) The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka", but "That's funny..." - Isaac Asimov -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
I agree, point taken... Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 - Original Message - From: "Christian Reiniger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Php-General" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. On Sunday 04 February 2001 23:18, Robert Covell wrote: I understand your concerns, but with this type of logic this mailing list not not be around. Niether would Linux, Apache, MySql or anyother open source tool that so many people utilize today. We would all be on NT instead of Linux and using IIS with ASP instead of PHP. Do think Ramsus when he started out on PHP/FI was thinking I am only one person I shouldn't even try to make it because the big guys are more reliable. That's comparing apples to oranges. If all of Rasmus's computers fail while he's on holiday for 3 weeks, who cares? (Sorry Rasmus :) If some machine at a hosting company shows glitches while the only admin is sick, things will be very bad for the hosted people/companies. -- Christian Reiniger LGDC Webmaster (http://sunsite.dk/lgdc/) The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka", but "That's funny..." - Isaac Asimov -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is often insufficient for PHP developers. With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP projects. The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet feeds, and all the other essential requirements. I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and better. I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale. Let me know what you think, guys. Chris Mason Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463 USA Fax (561) 382-7771 Take a virtual tour of the island http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide Find out more about NetConcepts www.netconcepts.ai Talk to me in real time with Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
Chris, This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and you will want holidays. Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much. Cheers, Ben Chris Mason wrote: I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is often insufficient for PHP developers. With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP projects. The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet feeds, and all the other essential requirements. I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and better. I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale. Let me know what you think, guys. Chris Mason Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463 USA Fax (561) 382-7771 Take a virtual tour of the island http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide Find out more about NetConcepts www.netconcepts.ai Talk to me in real time with Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
Yes, I'm very aware of this, but I'm not the only one here, there are three of us. Ben Peter wrote: Chris, This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and you will want holidays. Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much. Cheers, Ben Chris Mason wrote: I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is often insufficient for PHP developers. With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP projects. The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet feeds, and all the other essential requirements. I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and better. I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale. Let me know what you think, guys. Chris Mason Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463 USA Fax (561) 382-7771 Take a virtual tour of the island http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide Find out more about NetConcepts www.netconcepts.ai Talk to me in real time with Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
I am going to have to disagree on this one. I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com). My employees total 1 (me, myself and I). The number of clients hosted is roughly 120. I provide a wide variety of services on Linux, FreeBSD, NT, and W2K. Yes it is hard to believe that 1 person can be available 24x7, or not take vacations, but this is what I do and LOVE every second of it. I value customer satisfaction and strive to provide that best Internet services possible. For me this is a career for life, not just a job. So I do believe that 1 person can be available 24x7 and not take vacations. Don't get me wrong, some days it is tough. I would like to have other employees in the future, but don't mind the sacrifices taken to get there. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Peter Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:59 AM To: Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. Chris, This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and you will want holidays. Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much. Cheers, Ben Chris Mason wrote: I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is often insufficient for PHP developers. With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP projects. The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet feeds, and all the other essential requirements. I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and better. I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale. Let me know what you think, guys. Chris Mason Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463 USA Fax (561) 382-7771 Take a virtual tour of the island http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide Find out more about NetConcepts www.netconcepts.ai Talk to me in real time with Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you... 120 People / Companies would be left with a server that no one knows the root password too? With all due respect, how can someone in his right mind host with a one man gang company? For all I know you can be a hosting genius and give the best service around but you are still one man. Would you host with you ? :) Sincerely berber Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:16 PM To: Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. I am going to have to disagree on this one. I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com). My employees total 1 (me, myself and I). The number of clients hosted is roughly 120. I provide a wide variety of services on Linux, FreeBSD, NT, and W2K. Yes it is hard to believe that 1 person can be available 24x7, or not take vacations, but this is what I do and LOVE every second of it. I value customer satisfaction and strive to provide that best Internet services possible. For me this is a career for life, not just a job. So I do believe that 1 person can be available 24x7 and not take vacations. Don't get me wrong, some days it is tough. I would like to have other employees in the future, but don't mind the sacrifices taken to get there. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Peter Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:59 AM To: Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. Chris, This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and you will want holidays. Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much. Cheers, Ben Chris Mason wrote: I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is often insufficient for PHP developers. With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP projects. The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet feeds, and all the other essential requirements. I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and better. I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale. Let me know what you think, guys. Chris Mason Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463 USA Fax (561) 382-7771 Take a virtual tour of the island http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide Find out more about NetConcepts www.netconcepts.ai Talk to me in real time with Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
I shouldn't even reply to this... Yes I would host with me. Have you ever heard of a backup plan. People that would step in if something happens to me? People that I trust to keep the company going if it fails. With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give a rats ass about them or their business. How many big companies redirect your call, or brush you away when problems occur. I been over backwards for my clients. Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out there. That is why people do and will continue to host with me. Like I said, I plan on hiring people in the near future. Things take time to evolve. I am not saying that my company is for everyone. If you don't like a one man shop then don't go there. People have taken a chance with me and have not been disappointed like so many times before. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 -Original Message- From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you... 120 People / Companies would be left with a server that no one knows the root password too? With all due respect, how can someone in his right mind host with a one man gang company? For all I know you can be a hosting genius and give the best service around but you are still one man. Would you host with you ? :) Sincerely berber Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:16 PM To: Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. I am going to have to disagree on this one. I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com). My employees total 1 (me, myself and I). The number of clients hosted is roughly 120. I provide a wide variety of services on Linux, FreeBSD, NT, and W2K. Yes it is hard to believe that 1 person can be available 24x7, or not take vacations, but this is what I do and LOVE every second of it. I value customer satisfaction and strive to provide that best Internet services possible. For me this is a career for life, not just a job. So I do believe that 1 person can be available 24x7 and not take vacations. Don't get me wrong, some days it is tough. I would like to have other employees in the future, but don't mind the sacrifices taken to get there. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Peter Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:59 AM To: Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. Chris, This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/7, and you will want holidays. Still, a PHP-specialized hosting environment would be worth much. Cheers, Ben Chris Mason wrote: I see a lot of traffic regarding php hosting. From experience I know that the general hosting companies provide a minimal PHP environment which is often insufficient for PHP developers. With this in mind, I'm considering offering specialized hosting for PHP projects. The server will be tuned to the needs of PHP projects, and will have the latest PHP4 and mySQL versions, up to date XML libraries, IMAP and POP, and will run php as a apache module for performance. The server will have a low user count and I will offer migration alternatives as user's needs grow. The machines will be hosted at a major data center with multiple large internet feeds, and all the other essential requirements. I plan to be available to users to assist in configuration problems and will stay abreast of developments in PHP to make our projects run faster and better. I'd like to hear from people interested in participating or with configuration suggestions. I'm not looking to start a large hosting company but to be a specialized service provider on a small scale. Let me know what you think, guys. Chris Mason Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463 USA Fax (561) 382-7771 Take a virtual tour of the island http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide Find
RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier.
Actually, there is nothing wrong with a one-manned hosting service. I agree with Robert in this, there are a lot of big hosting companies that don't really have a personal hold of their business to really care about their clients. To them everything is automated and all they do is hire customer service people who are only taught to, well, "serve customers" with answers to questions they don't know in the first place. They just read from the script and have basic step-by-step trouble shooting instructions in front of them to solve a client's problems/requests. If you need an updated software package, like PHP4, froman old PHP3 engine, you'de have to beg for it and you might have to go through several layers of support just for that request to go through. Let me remind you that the software is free of charge. If the request is accepted, then more power to you. If it's not then you'll have to deal with it until you decide to find another host. I have one question for you Robert. XML has been in the market for a long time (since 1998), and the recommendations are now set to a true standard. Why do most hosting services not have support for XML based languages yet? Thanks... Navid Yar -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:40 PM To: Boaz Yahav; Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. I shouldn't even reply to this... Yes I would host with me. Have you ever heard of a backup plan. People that would step in if something happens to me? People that I trust to keep the company going if it fails. With all due respect, how do people host with a company that doesn't give a rats ass about them or their business. How many big companies redirect your call, or brush you away when problems occur. I been over backwards for my clients. Providing better service then many of the bigger companies out there. That is why people do and will continue to host with me. Like I said, I plan on hiring people in the near future. Things take time to evolve. I am not saying that my company is for everyone. If you don't like a one man shop then don't go there. People have taken a chance with me and have not been disappointed like so many times before. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 -Original Message- From: Boaz Yahav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:38 PM To: 'Robert Covell'; Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. And if, God forbid, something was to happen to you... 120 People / Companies would be left with a server that no one knows the root password too? With all due respect, how can someone in his right mind host with a one man gang company? For all I know you can be a hosting genius and give the best service around but you are still one man. Would you host with you ? :) Sincerely berber Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Robert Covell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:16 PM To: Ben Peter; Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. I am going to have to disagree on this one. I run a successful (and profitable) hosting company(http://www.rolet.com). My employees total 1 (me, myself and I). The number of clients hosted is roughly 120. I provide a wide variety of services on Linux, FreeBSD, NT, and W2K. Yes it is hard to believe that 1 person can be available 24x7, or not take vacations, but this is what I do and LOVE every second of it. I value customer satisfaction and strive to provide that best Internet services possible. For me this is a career for life, not just a job. So I do believe that 1 person can be available 24x7 and not take vacations. Don't get me wrong, some days it is tough. I would like to have other employees in the future, but don't mind the sacrifices taken to get there. Sincerely, Robert T. Covell President / Owner Rolet Internet Services, LLC Web: www.rolet.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 816.210.7145 Fax: 816.753.1952 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Peter Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:59 AM To: Chris Mason Cc: Php-General Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP hosting - the final frontier. Chris, This all sounds good but for one thing: I firmly believe that one man with a root password is not enogh to look after even one client. I have hosted with 3 one-man-companies, and it always came to the point where I couldn't reach someone for a week, or I waited for 3 months, only to be granted connect privileges to the mysql database - no offense meant! I think it's just too much for one man, you cannot be available 24/
