Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
On 20 May 2001 16:16:47 -0700 impersonator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Manuel Lemos) planted I saw in php.general: Weren't you the one that was saying that you opposed to the existence of a PHP compiler? Despite your opposition, Zeev and Andi brought it up to the joy of many PHP users. Hi. Is it (compiler) suppose to be supported on the server _in addition_ to normal php engine? anyway, for the user's (lonely wolf's:) prospective - where is it - and how much? Regards, Manuel Lemos Web Programming Components using PHP Classes. Look at: -- i LeoNid -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php? (äâà óäàðà - 8 äûðîê?)
On 21 May 2001 10:06:41 -0700 impersonator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Zeev Suraski) planted I saw in php.general: At 08:24 21/5/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: You are assuming they even read this mailing list. *ping* (in Tokyo, so it took me a while to catch up on my Email) Zeev Sorry for _an_ intrusion her. I just unsuccsefully pinged zend (on an address supplied on the page) of wich the author is co-founder co-developer, as i undustand:) So i publish my quest her. Hopefully it will be seen by some, besides maintainers:) Is there hope to get answer too? I hope. I was checking on PHP en-coder (unfortunately, it only goes from 4.03:(so i didn't go *further*, but wanted to test Zend Optimizer too. But stoped at license item 8.2, and asked for an explanation, on witch i received *demon* response (below) - sorry it got compacted, as i forgot to close my copy/paste buffer compacter (and i am to lazy to copy it again:) Hope, you decipher:) Sincerely, LeonId AM i `disclosing´ by this?:) d(a)emonadvice- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.zend.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 6544 invoked by alias); 24 May 2001 14:37:03 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 6541 invoked from network); 24 May 2001 14:37:02 - Received: from unknown (HELO mckexch02.mckusa01) (38.201.8.162) by mail.zend.com with SMTP; 24 May 2001 14:37:02 - Received: from cheerleo (ip162-6.urbis.net.il [192.118.6.162]) by mckexch02.mckusa01 with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id JHSZ36Z9; Thu, 24 May 2001 09:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: 000101c0e456$21997780$a20676c0@cheerleo From: LeoNid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ÌÉÃÅÎÓ point 8.2 (on zend optimizer) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:33:30 +0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 ShaLom, What is the meaning of an item 8.2 of your license for ZendOptimizer. What kind of confidential infor., you supply for suppose to be freely downloadable software? Ain't - points - mentioning _no_ reverse engineering suffice? Inspite that I am considering download for myself only, I won't even think of it with such (funny unclear and absurd, unless proved otherwise:) restriction. Thank you for an explanation. ShaLom i Leonid. ---that's what _i_ saw in a license (if my MSG is delivered without alteration either:)- 8.2. Non-Disclosure. Licensee shall not permit anyone other than its own most trusted employees with a need to know to access or use the Licensor Proprietary Information. Licensee shall not disclose the Licensor Proprietary Information to any third party or use the Licensor Proprietary Information other than as authorized hereunder. Furthermore, Licensee: (a) recognizes that the unauthorized use or disclosure of Licensor Proprietary Information will give rise to irreparable injury to Licensor or its licensors for which monetary damages may be an inadequate remedy; and (b) agrees that Licensor or its licensors may seek and obtain injunctive relief against the breach or threatened breach of Licensee's obligations under this Agreement, in addition to any other legal and equitable remedies which may be available to Licensor. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
IMHO, one of the main attractions of open source software is that the creators themselves are easy to contact. Getting a question answered by a company usually involves talking to customer service, who gets an answer from a supervisor, who asked the lead of the programming department, who asked the guys in charge of the parts of the code your asking about, who read through some internal documentation and maybe the code itself, to get the answer. With open source your questions are usually answered by someone who actually works on the code itself. And sometimes the people who actually 'invented' the product are the one's you're talking to! To me, that's just really cool. It's the main attraction to open-source and small companys for me; you get to talk to the people in charge. Suggest something good and it may get done. It's like being really rich without being able to buy anything. ;) Which is precisely why it's wise to treat everyone in the community with an equal level of respect, because you're already talking to the people in charge. The PHP Group, Zend, and individuals like Rasmus control what PHP will and won't support. None of them do it on there own. There are no real dictators who control the flow of PHP's future, which is how open-source is suppose to be. Plutarck Frank Joerdens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 01:55:10PM +1000, Greg Wright wrote: [ . . . ] IIRC Rasmus was one of the main people involved in bringing PHP to life, it Well, if anyone can be said to have invented it, it's Rasmus. At some point around 96 (?) he was approached by Zeev and some others who suggested to recode what was then PHP/FI from scratch. The outcome was PHP 3.0 . . . shouldn't someone write a history of PHP? A little anecdote I keep telling is that back in '97, when I asked my very first question on this list, it was answered within less than half an hour by the mighty Rasmus himself! Having worked with M$ stuff mostly up until then if felt, wow, this is like, I post to Microsoft and get an answer from Bill within the half-hour! I was undecided then as to which scriptiong environment to go for. This won me over. Cheers, Frank -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
At 08:24 21/5/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: You are assuming they even read this mailing list. *ping* (in Tokyo, so it took me a while to catch up on my Email) Zeev -- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
Not really, the parent has to somehow call wait() on the child, otherwise you'd get zombie processes... Generally, implementing that sort of stuff within the Apache framework is a bit of asking for trouble :I Anyway, PHP really lacks of real multi-threading capabilities. Things like database connection pooling, (non-HTTP) server request handling, and GUI event processing could be properly implemented in PHP with multi-threading capabilities like the way it is done in Java, Perl, Python, etc. but can't be done right in PHP because it lacks multi-threading support. Any plans to add multi-threading capabilities to PHP? Nope, but you can use the ticks feature to do some of this. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
Nope, but you can use the ticks feature to do some of this. Is there any documentation for this? I searched the manual and php.net but came up with nothing :( Cheers. -- Richard Heyes -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
Hello Rasmus, On 20-May-01 17:42:22, you wrote: Not really, the parent has to somehow call wait() on the child, otherwise you'd get zombie processes... Generally, implementing that sort of stuff within the Apache framework is a bit of asking for trouble :I Anyway, PHP really lacks of real multi-threading capabilities. Things like database connection pooling, (non-HTTP) server request handling, and GUI event processing could be properly implemented in PHP with multi-threading capabilities like the way it is done in Java, Perl, Python, etc. but can't be done right in PHP because it lacks multi-threading support. Any plans to add multi-threading capabilities to PHP? Nope, but you can use the ticks feature to do some of this. Not very good. With ticks you never can run two PHP commands at the same time, like for instance executing two or more SQL queries at the same time. That is a shame for PHP because for instance in Java that is a breeze. Anyway, I was asking Zeev, will PHP ever have multi-threading capabilities? Regards, Manuel Lemos Web Programming Components using PHP Classes. Look at: http://phpclasses.UpperDesign.com/?[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ PGP key: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ManuelLemos.pgp -- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
On 20-May-01 17:42:22, you wrote: Not really, the parent has to somehow call wait() on the child, otherwise you'd get zombie processes... Generally, implementing that sort of stuff within the Apache framework is a bit of asking for trouble :I Anyway, PHP really lacks of real multi-threading capabilities. Things like database connection pooling, (non-HTTP) server request handling, and GUI event processing could be properly implemented in PHP with multi-threading capabilities like the way it is done in Java, Perl, Python, etc. but can't be done right in PHP because it lacks multi-threading support. Any plans to add multi-threading capabilities to PHP? Nope, but you can use the ticks feature to do some of this. Not very good. With ticks you never can run two PHP commands at the same time, like for instance executing two or more SQL queries at the same time. That is a shame for PHP because for instance in Java that is a breeze. Anyway, I was asking Zeev, will PHP ever have multi-threading capabilities? No, you asked the mailing list. Zeev's email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And no, PHP is unlikely to have multi-threading anytime soon. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
Hello Rasmus, On 20-May-01 19:08:16, you wrote: On 20-May-01 17:42:22, you wrote: Not really, the parent has to somehow call wait() on the child, otherwise you'd get zombie processes... Generally, implementing that sort of stuff within the Apache framework is a bit of asking for trouble :I Anyway, PHP really lacks of real multi-threading capabilities. Things like database connection pooling, (non-HTTP) server request handling, and GUI event processing could be properly implemented in PHP with multi-threading capabilities like the way it is done in Java, Perl, Python, etc. but can't be done right in PHP because it lacks multi-threading support. Any plans to add multi-threading capabilities to PHP? Nope, but you can use the ticks feature to do some of this. Not very good. With ticks you never can run two PHP commands at the same time, like for instance executing two or more SQL queries at the same time. That is a shame for PHP because for instance in Java that is a breeze. Anyway, I was asking Zeev, will PHP ever have multi-threading capabilities? No, you asked the mailing list. Zeev's email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the answer is of the interest of the mailing list. After all the thread was not started by me. And no, PHP is unlikely to have multi-threading anytime soon. How can you be so sure? Weren't you the one that was saying that you opposed to the existence of a PHP compiler? Despite your opposition, Zeev and Andi brought it up to the joy of many PHP users. Since Zeev and Andi seem to be currently the most capable developers to bring multi-threading capability to PHP because they developed PHP current engine - Zend, my question still goes for them. After all they always seemed more reasonable and opened to my suggestions than you. Regards, Manuel Lemos Web Programming Components using PHP Classes. Look at: http://phpclasses.UpperDesign.com/?[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ PGP key: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ManuelLemos.pgp -- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
Weren't you the one that was saying that you opposed to the existence of a PHP compiler? Despite your opposition, Zeev and Andi brought it up to the joy of many PHP users. Well, it is not part of PHP. It isn't even free. Since Zeev and Andi seem to be currently the most capable developers to bring multi-threading capability to PHP because they developed PHP current engine - Zend, my question still goes for them. After all they always seemed more reasonable and opened to my suggestions than you. You are assuming they even read this mailing list. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
Manuel wrote: [...] Since Zeev and Andi seem to be currently the most capable developers to bring multi-threading capability to PHP because they developed PHP current engine - Zend, my question still goes for them. After all they always seemed more reasonable and opened to my suggestions than you. Manuel, irritating Rasmus is not likely to make Andi, Zeev or any of the other developers more interested in helping you. If you want to ask about a possible feature, mail the PHP-DEV list or try mailing the PHP group. --zak -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
Hello Rasmus, On 20-May-01 20:22:48, you wrote: Weren't you the one that was saying that you opposed to the existence of a PHP compiler? Despite your opposition, Zeev and Andi brought it up to the joy of many PHP users. Well, it is not part of PHP. It isn't even free. As long it works and is available it is much better than not existing, which was what you wanted. Since Zeev and Andi seem to be currently the most capable developers to bring multi-threading capability to PHP because they developed PHP current engine - Zend, my question still goes for them. After all they always seemed more reasonable and opened to my suggestions than you. You are assuming they even read this mailing list. Yes, I can see that I posted a response to the wrong news group by mistake! :-) Regards, Manuel Lemos Web Programming Components using PHP Classes. Look at: http://phpclasses.UpperDesign.com/?[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ PGP key: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ManuelLemos.pgp -- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 20/05/2001 at 5:34 PM Zak Greant [EMAIL PROTECTED] [gregausit/phplist] wrote: Manuel wrote: [...] Since Zeev and Andi seem to be currently the most capable developers to bring multi-threading capability to PHP because they developed PHP current engine - Zend, my question still goes for them. After all they always seemed more reasonable and opened to my suggestions than you. Manuel, irritating Rasmus is not likely to make Andi, Zeev or any of the other developers more interested in helping you. IIRC Rasmus was one of the main people involved in bringing PHP to life, it also resembles BASH because of involvement there, if this is wrong maybe Rasmus can tell me off list or anyone may be able to point me to some info that I can read. Anyway as a general rule, there is no point in antagonising any coder that produces code that's Open Source and under the GPL lic, now if you had a 200k contract to produce code that was specified, it would be entirely appropriate. I read what was said as its not a focus point, but was not ruled out. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 01:43:36PM -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Not really, the parent has to somehow call wait() on the child, otherwise you'd get zombie processes... Generally, implementing that sort of stuff within the Apache framework is a bit of asking for trouble :I Anyway, PHP really lacks of real multi-threading capabilities. Things like database connection pooling, (non-HTTP) server request handling, and GUI event processing could be properly implemented in PHP with multi-threading capabilities like the way it is done in Java, Perl, Python, etc. but can't be done right in PHP because it lacks multi-threading support. Any plans to add multi-threading capabilities to PHP? Nope, but you can use the ticks feature to do some of this. What is the ticks feature and where can I read about it? The only reference I could find was in the PHP-DEV archives back in September about something you call by doing register_tick_function() . . . but nothing substantial in the way of documentation. Thanks, Frank -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Fork() in php?
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 01:55:10PM +1000, Greg Wright wrote: [ . . . ] IIRC Rasmus was one of the main people involved in bringing PHP to life, it Well, if anyone can be said to have invented it, it's Rasmus. At some point around 96 (?) he was approached by Zeev and some others who suggested to recode what was then PHP/FI from scratch. The outcome was PHP 3.0 . . . shouldn't someone write a history of PHP? A little anecdote I keep telling is that back in '97, when I asked my very first question on this list, it was answered within less than half an hour by the mighty Rasmus himself! Having worked with M$ stuff mostly up until then if felt, wow, this is like, I post to Microsoft and get an answer from Bill within the half-hour! I was undecided then as to which scriptiong environment to go for. This won me over. Cheers, Frank -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
