RE: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
I thought autocompletion would help you _avoid_ silly mistakes. For example, defining $varName then trying to use $varname when you really meant to use $varName. In php I would say it's a tossup because if you reference a variable that doesn't exist it will contain a NULL or FALSE value but php will not warn you. But in something like C I would have to agree that autocompletion can lead to much more difficult problems to track down. Because in C, if you never assign the variable the compiler (depending on the compiler of course) will warn you. If you accidentially assign a subtilly different variable that can be hard to track down, and the compiler will only warn you if it's a different datatype. --Buddy -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
John Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... : Thanks for the reply. I'm also impressed with Zend's autocompletion...I can't even get PHPEd to autocomplete on objects. Finally, one frustrating thing on the part of both editors is the inability to autocomplete on arrays of object references...but I suppose that's a little difficult with a dynamically typed language. Isn't it a little bit too much of paranoia for autocompletion? In programming schools they make you writing the programs on paper so you understand it better :) I, personally, only care about the code highlighting. Autocompleting often exposes you to make silly mistakes (not always, of course) and these are the hardest ones to debug. Copying, pasting and replacing is much safer, IMHO. For that, I prefer EditPlus on win32 - simple autocompletion (I wrote one for them - only functions), very fast, stable and pleasureful to use. Also, EditPlus is a generic editor so I can use it for PHP as well as for Python, Java, C/C++, C#, SQL, PL/SQL etc... Though, it doesn't handle projects well at all and is quite limited on PHP... But, that's my own preference. Should I need an IDE I'd choose Zend because it seems to me more affordable and better integrated with PHP. -- Maxim Maletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 02:45, Maxim Maletsky wrote: Isn't it a little bit too much of paranoia for autocompletion? In programming schools they make you writing the programs on paper so you understand it better :) I, personally, only care about the code highlighting. Autocompleting often exposes you to make silly mistakes (not always, of course) and these are the hardest ones to debug. Copying, pasting and replacing is much safer, IMHO. I thought autocompletion would help you _avoid_ silly mistakes. For example, defining $varName then trying to use $varname when you really meant to use $varName. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * /* There is nothing more silly than a silly laugh. -- Gaius Valerius Catullus */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 07 January 2003 18:48, Jason Wong wrote: On Wednesday 08 January 2003 02:45, Maxim Maletsky wrote: Isn't it a little bit too much of paranoia for autocompletion? In programming schools they make you writing the programs on paper so you understand it better :) I, personally, only care about the code highlighting. Autocompleting often exposes you to make silly mistakes (not always, of course) and these are the hardest ones to debug. Copying, pasting and replacing is much safer, IMHO. I thought autocompletion would help you _avoid_ silly mistakes. For example, defining $varName then trying to use $varname when you really meant to use $varName. Configuring error reporting to E_ALL will help you with that and some other things as well, all my scripts run in E_ALL. But I still think that autocompletation is very useful. Have fun. - -- Pupeno: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pupeno.com - --- Help the hungry children of Argentina, please go to (and make it your homepage): http://www.porloschicos.com/servlet/PorLosChicos?comando=donar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+G2eYLr8z5XzmSDQRAsH+AKCPrW2nGliNZu8kGOaAeaO8AC+9AgCg4q1D 0Ki998HRDqC2ER6eDYTby9s= =Bp+V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
I've tried phpEdit, but unfortunately it's a Windows-only IDE and has quite a few reproduceable bugs (I get an access violation almost everytime I use the latest version. I do all my development in Linux, so it won't cut it. Thanks! John -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
Can anyone who's familiar with both give an honest, open evaluation? I'm in a rush project and need something quickly (have to purchase tomorrow), but I'm on the fence when it comes to these two products. Zend costs $100 less than Phped, so I'm leaning that way. But if there's anything you know that could make my decision easier, please forward it on. They seem pretty comparable, with the exception of PhpEd's db browser. I personally recommend the Zend IDE, simply because: 1) Its (more) cross platform 2) A more complete autocompletion. Uses javadoc style documentation to generate function prototypes for which you can then use autocompletion. It also resolves classes and objects. 3) Richer debugger 4) Better integration with other Zend products, if you want to use the encoder, it plugs right into the Zend IDE. 5) I like working with it more, and that's what it all comes down too. The Zend IDE is what I'm more comfortable with (outside of vim and emacs, which I must admit are my primary development tools). -Sterling Thanks! John -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
Sterling, Thanks for the reply. I'm also impressed with Zend's autocompletion...I can't even get PHPEd to autocomplete on objects. I wonder if Zend uses dbg as well. It'd be nice to see a profiler thrown into a future version. Finally, one frustrating thing on the part of both editors is the inability to autocomplete on arrays of object references...but I suppose that's a little difficult with a dynamically typed language. Thanks! John -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
John Wells wrote: Can anyone who's familiar with both give an honest, open evaluation? I'm in a rush project and need something quickly (have to purchase tomorrow), but I'm on the fence when it comes to these two products. Zend costs $100 less than Phped, so I'm leaning that way. But if there's anything you know that could make my decision easier, please forward it on. They seem pretty comparable, with the exception of PhpEd's db browser. ... have u seen phpEdit? It's for free, has perfect autocompletion, project manager, editable templates and many other features. AFAIK it has no db browser, but has good developer community around ... http://www.phpedit.net -- Mirek Novak jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:119499448 AUTO.CZ http://www.auto.cz NEWS.AUTO.CZ http://news.auto.cz FORMULE1.CZ http://www.formule1.cz -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
__NO I DON'T WORK FOR ZEND__ Well I use Zend Studio and have done for sometime. Check out there offer for Small Business: http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-smallbiz.php Includes the Encoder and the IDE ++ You won't regret a Zend Studio buy and with the upgrade option you get all upgrades (including all version comp eg 4.x.x comp) included. HiTCHO has Spoken! Timothy Hitchens (HiTCHO) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mirek Novak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 5:08 PM To: John Wells; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd John Wells wrote: Can anyone who's familiar with both give an honest, open evaluation? I'm in a rush project and need something quickly (have to purchase tomorrow), but I'm on the fence when it comes to these two products. Zend costs $100 less than Phped, so I'm leaning that way. But if there's anything you know that could make my decision easier, please forward it on. They seem pretty comparable, with the exception of PhpEd's db browser. ... have u seen phpEdit? It's for free, has perfect autocompletion, project manager, editable templates and many other features. AFAIK it has no db browser, but has good developer community around ... http://www.phpedit.net -- Mirek Novak jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:119499448 AUTO.CZ http://www.auto.cz NEWS.AUTO.CZ http://news.auto.cz FORMULE1.CZ http://www.formule1.cz -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
