[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Docbook Error

2012-07-20 Thread Kris Craig
Thanks, Yannick!

--Kris


On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Yannick Torrès wrote:

> I just validate your explode() example via the online editor.
>
> http://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revision&revision=326752
>
> Best,
> Yannick
>
>
> 2012/7/20 Kris Craig 
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Hannes Magnusson <
>> hannes.magnus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Kris Craig 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Kris Craig 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>>> >> >  wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> >> > And yes I've had the account since 2010.  It's all on the list.
>>>  And
>>> >> >> > I
>>> >> >> > do
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I know you requested an account on August 9th 2010, and later
>>> followed
>>> >> >> it up in September and again in October.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > As I recall, actually, I only followed-up once.  But I could be
>>> >> > mistaken; it
>>> >> > was two years ago, after all.
>>> >>
>>> >> That is why we have archives:
>>> >> http://php.markmail.org/thread/jueltca2ssd7ujmw
>>> >>
>>>
>>> ^ Click this link
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ok, so should I contact Philip or do you have time to take care of
>>> this?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I want you to show us a patch, just like anyone else, before we grant
>>> >> you any karma.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Hannes
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ugh  If I'd known this wasn't already setup, I'd have thrown
>>> together a
>>> > patch and sent it out two years ago.  Somebody did email me directly
>>> but I
>>> > don't remember whom; I'll have to go back and find out.
>>>
>>> Would be fun if you could look up who sent you that mail.
>>>
>>
>> I will.  I'm at work right now.  ;)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Would you prefer a doc patch or a code patch, or does it matter?  Come
>>> to
>>>
>>> Depends on the repository you want access to.
>>> If you want access to commit docs; doc patch.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> > think of it, I'm pretty sure I sent a code patch for including seasonal
>>> > calculations in the date() function back in 2010 (either as part of the
>>> > original request or subsequently, I'm not sure).  Can you find it?  If
>>> so,
>>> > why was that patch not sufficient?  Was it simply overlooked or did I
>>> do
>>> > something wrong?
>>>
>>> Yes, I can find it. Did you not click the link? (See also "click here"
>>> just above).
>>>
>>
>> I'm at work so I'll have to look at it later.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> That patch was never committed. I don't know why it wasn't committed.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure, either.  Derrick seemed very interested in the idea at the
>> time but then I lost touch with him.  I later discovered that, due to a
>> lack of precision in the compiler, the seasonal calculations were being
>> thrown off by a few minutes, which to me is unacceptable because a few
>> minutes can be enough to throw off the day if it's close to midnight.
>>  Getting around that has been one of the items on my TODO list for awhile.
>>  One option that comes to mind would be using bcmath, but that would
>> involve adding a dependency to one extension that's already required by
>> another extension, which wouldn't be ideal for a number of reasons.
>>  Another option would be to find a place to do this other than date(); at
>> this point, I realized I'd need to do some brainstorming on Internals.  But
>> again, it's been on the backburner anyway.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That patch is not sufficient because there is absolutely no need for
>>> an VCS account, or karma for that matter, to commit one patch.
>>> To get karma we want several patches and "approven interest in
>>> continuing contributions".
>>>
>>> We have dozens of people who can commit drive-by patches.
>>>
>>
>> I think I've demonstrated the interest part over the past two years.
>>  What's been lacking is actually putting my money where my mouth is lol
>> (i.e. the actual patches).  Once I get setup, I can send you some.  How
>> many would be necessary to send in order to cut out this "middle-man"
>> gatekeeper?
>>
>> --Kris
>>
>>
>


[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Docbook Error

2012-07-20 Thread Yannick Torrès
I just validate your explode() example via the online editor.

http://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revision&revision=326752

Best,
Yannick

2012/7/20 Kris Craig 

>
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Hannes Magnusson <
> hannes.magnus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Kris Craig  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Kris Craig 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >> > And yes I've had the account since 2010.  It's all on the list.
>>  And
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > do
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know you requested an account on August 9th 2010, and later
>> followed
>> >> >> it up in September and again in October.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > As I recall, actually, I only followed-up once.  But I could be
>> >> > mistaken; it
>> >> > was two years ago, after all.
>> >>
>> >> That is why we have archives:
>> >> http://php.markmail.org/thread/jueltca2ssd7ujmw
>> >>
>>
>> ^ Click this link
>>
>>
>> [...]
>> >> >
>> >> > Ok, so should I contact Philip or do you have time to take care of
>> this?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I want you to show us a patch, just like anyone else, before we grant
>> >> you any karma.
>> >>
>> >> -Hannes
>> >
>> >
>> > Ugh  If I'd known this wasn't already setup, I'd have thrown
>> together a
>> > patch and sent it out two years ago.  Somebody did email me directly
>> but I
>> > don't remember whom; I'll have to go back and find out.
>>
>> Would be fun if you could look up who sent you that mail.
>>
>
> I will.  I'm at work right now.  ;)
>
>
>>
>>
>> > Would you prefer a doc patch or a code patch, or does it matter?  Come
>> to
>>
>> Depends on the repository you want access to.
>> If you want access to commit docs; doc patch.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> > think of it, I'm pretty sure I sent a code patch for including seasonal
>> > calculations in the date() function back in 2010 (either as part of the
>> > original request or subsequently, I'm not sure).  Can you find it?  If
>> so,
>> > why was that patch not sufficient?  Was it simply overlooked or did I do
>> > something wrong?
>>
>> Yes, I can find it. Did you not click the link? (See also "click here"
>> just above).
>>
>
> I'm at work so I'll have to look at it later.
>
>
>>
>> That patch was never committed. I don't know why it wasn't committed.
>>
>
> I'm not sure, either.  Derrick seemed very interested in the idea at the
> time but then I lost touch with him.  I later discovered that, due to a
> lack of precision in the compiler, the seasonal calculations were being
> thrown off by a few minutes, which to me is unacceptable because a few
> minutes can be enough to throw off the day if it's close to midnight.
>  Getting around that has been one of the items on my TODO list for awhile.
>  One option that comes to mind would be using bcmath, but that would
> involve adding a dependency to one extension that's already required by
> another extension, which wouldn't be ideal for a number of reasons.
>  Another option would be to find a place to do this other than date(); at
> this point, I realized I'd need to do some brainstorming on Internals.  But
> again, it's been on the backburner anyway.
>
>
>>
>>
>> That patch is not sufficient because there is absolutely no need for
>> an VCS account, or karma for that matter, to commit one patch.
>> To get karma we want several patches and "approven interest in
>> continuing contributions".
>>
>> We have dozens of people who can commit drive-by patches.
>>
>
> I think I've demonstrated the interest part over the past two years.
>  What's been lacking is actually putting my money where my mouth is lol
> (i.e. the actual patches).  Once I get setup, I can send you some.  How
> many would be necessary to send in order to cut out this "middle-man"
> gatekeeper?
>
> --Kris
>
>


[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Docbook Error

2012-07-20 Thread Kris Craig
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Hannes Magnusson <
hannes.magnus...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Kris Craig  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Hannes Magnusson
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Kris Craig 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson
> >> >  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> > And yes I've had the account since 2010.  It's all on the list.
>  And
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > do
> >> >>
> >> >> I know you requested an account on August 9th 2010, and later
> followed
> >> >> it up in September and again in October.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As I recall, actually, I only followed-up once.  But I could be
> >> > mistaken; it
> >> > was two years ago, after all.
> >>
> >> That is why we have archives:
> >> http://php.markmail.org/thread/jueltca2ssd7ujmw
> >>
>
> ^ Click this link
>
>
> [...]
> >> >
> >> > Ok, so should I contact Philip or do you have time to take care of
> this?
> >>
> >>
> >> I want you to show us a patch, just like anyone else, before we grant
> >> you any karma.
> >>
> >> -Hannes
> >
> >
> > Ugh  If I'd known this wasn't already setup, I'd have thrown
> together a
> > patch and sent it out two years ago.  Somebody did email me directly but
> I
> > don't remember whom; I'll have to go back and find out.
>
> Would be fun if you could look up who sent you that mail.
>

I will.  I'm at work right now.  ;)


>
>
> > Would you prefer a doc patch or a code patch, or does it matter?  Come to
>
> Depends on the repository you want access to.
> If you want access to commit docs; doc patch.




>
> > think of it, I'm pretty sure I sent a code patch for including seasonal
> > calculations in the date() function back in 2010 (either as part of the
> > original request or subsequently, I'm not sure).  Can you find it?  If
> so,
> > why was that patch not sufficient?  Was it simply overlooked or did I do
> > something wrong?
>
> Yes, I can find it. Did you not click the link? (See also "click here"
> just above).
>

I'm at work so I'll have to look at it later.


>
> That patch was never committed. I don't know why it wasn't committed.
>

I'm not sure, either.  Derrick seemed very interested in the idea at the
time but then I lost touch with him.  I later discovered that, due to a
lack of precision in the compiler, the seasonal calculations were being
thrown off by a few minutes, which to me is unacceptable because a few
minutes can be enough to throw off the day if it's close to midnight.
 Getting around that has been one of the items on my TODO list for awhile.
 One option that comes to mind would be using bcmath, but that would
involve adding a dependency to one extension that's already required by
another extension, which wouldn't be ideal for a number of reasons.
 Another option would be to find a place to do this other than date(); at
this point, I realized I'd need to do some brainstorming on Internals.  But
again, it's been on the backburner anyway.


>
>
> That patch is not sufficient because there is absolutely no need for
> an VCS account, or karma for that matter, to commit one patch.
> To get karma we want several patches and "approven interest in
> continuing contributions".
>
> We have dozens of people who can commit drive-by patches.
>

I think I've demonstrated the interest part over the past two years.
 What's been lacking is actually putting my money where my mouth is lol
(i.e. the actual patches).  Once I get setup, I can send you some.  How
many would be necessary to send in order to cut out this "middle-man"
gatekeeper?

--Kris


[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Docbook Error

2012-07-20 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Kris Craig  wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Kris Craig  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>> >  wrote:
>> 
>> >> > And yes I've had the account since 2010.  It's all on the list.  And
>> >> > I
>> >> > do
>> >>
>> >> I know you requested an account on August 9th 2010, and later followed
>> >> it up in September and again in October.
>> >
>> >
>> > As I recall, actually, I only followed-up once.  But I could be
>> > mistaken; it
>> > was two years ago, after all.
>>
>> That is why we have archives:
>> http://php.markmail.org/thread/jueltca2ssd7ujmw
>>

^ Click this link


[...]
>> >
>> > Ok, so should I contact Philip or do you have time to take care of this?
>>
>>
>> I want you to show us a patch, just like anyone else, before we grant
>> you any karma.
>>
>> -Hannes
>
>
> Ugh  If I'd known this wasn't already setup, I'd have thrown together a
> patch and sent it out two years ago.  Somebody did email me directly but I
> don't remember whom; I'll have to go back and find out.

Would be fun if you could look up who sent you that mail.


> Would you prefer a doc patch or a code patch, or does it matter?  Come to

Depends on the repository you want access to.
If you want access to commit docs; doc patch.


> think of it, I'm pretty sure I sent a code patch for including seasonal
> calculations in the date() function back in 2010 (either as part of the
> original request or subsequently, I'm not sure).  Can you find it?  If so,
> why was that patch not sufficient?  Was it simply overlooked or did I do
> something wrong?

Yes, I can find it. Did you not click the link? (See also "click here"
just above).

That patch was never committed. I don't know why it wasn't committed.


That patch is not sufficient because there is absolutely no need for
an VCS account, or karma for that matter, to commit one patch.
To get karma we want several patches and "approven interest in
continuing contributions".

We have dozens of people who can commit drive-by patches.

-Hannes


[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Docbook Error

2012-07-20 Thread Kris Craig
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Hannes Magnusson <
hannes.magnus...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Kris Craig  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson
> >  wrote:
> 
> >> > And yes I've had the account since 2010.  It's all on the list.  And I
> >> > do
> >>
> >> I know you requested an account on August 9th 2010, and later followed
> >> it up in September and again in October.
> >
> >
> > As I recall, actually, I only followed-up once.  But I could be
> mistaken; it
> > was two years ago, after all.
>
> That is why we have archives:
> http://php.markmail.org/thread/jueltca2ssd7ujmw
>
>
> >> At somepoint someone approved your account, but at that point in time
> >> the approval notice was not sent to a public list. That didn't change
> >> until I fixed that earlier this year.
> >> Which means I don't know who approved your account - because that
> >> person never gave you any karma at all at any time, as you can clearly
> >> see by looking at the global_avail file.
> >> That is however not really relevant information, just would be
> >> interesting to know.
> >
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the approval was on the open list, though he may have
> > forgotten to do a reply-all.  I'll have to look through my inbox.  I
> don't
> > remember who it was off the top of my head.
>
>
> I am not telling you how I think the system works. I am telling you
> this is how it works.
> Approving a VCS account request is a manual thing done by pressing a
> "approve" button on master.
> This button used to only generate an email to the requester, and to
> group@. No public records.
> That mail furthermore did not used to contain who actually approved the
> account.
>
> Unless someone mailed you directly, you wouldn't know who approved it
> - again, at that point in time.
> This is no longer the case with today approvals/rejections.
>
>
> >> > remember being able to edit the PHP.net man pages without the Docbook
> >> > editor.  I know I'm not crazy on this, so maybe we're referring to
> >> > separate
> >> > things?  I'm not sure.  But either way, I have made edits before
> >>
> >> What does that mean? How did you edit the files? Where did you commit
> >> them?
> >> Do you have a concrete example?
> >> Searching my mailbox shows you have only ever used your account to
> >> submit couple of bug tickets, and comment on two or three.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure.  This was all the way back in 2010.  I remember the UI was
> > very different though.  But if what you say is true and it was always
> > Docbook, then the only logical explanation is that I'm remembering
> something
> > else.
>
> We did have "the OE" in 2010. And that is the *only* UI we have ever had.
>
>
> > I have used this account primarily for updates to the Wiki thus far.
>  I've
> > also done some comments and handled a few bugs.  In addition, I
> submitted an
> > RFC and it passed unanimously, though I'm still (slooowly) getting my new
> > dev environment setup so I haven't committed the code change to Git yet.
>
>
> bugsweb and wikiweb karma comes with the approval of an VCS account.
> Same with editing/reject user notes and community events.
>
> I know you have made about dozen or so comments on bug reports using
> your php.net account.
>
> I'm not questioning if you have an account or not. I am telling you
> you do have an account, but without any VCS karma.
>
> I cannot find any traces by you in the form of VCS commits. Be it to
> CVS, SVN or GIT.
>
>
> >
> > I've been encouraged to start helping maintain the online docs, which
> seems
> > like a good idea since there's a definite need for it and it's something
> I
> > can help with while I'm getting my dev environment setup.  That's when I
> ran
> > into this brick wall.  The sooner it's fixed, the sooner I can start
> making
> > myself a little more useful than I have been as of late.
>
>
>
> Fantastic!
> The online editor is a perfect tool for the job.
>
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > successfully, I do have an account with Git/SVN privs, I do have full
> >> > edit
> >> > privs on the wiki, and this account was approved through the proper
> >> > channels.
> >>
> >> Everyone with php.net VCS account has full wiki karma. You don't need
> >> VCS karma for that.
> >> Again, I know you have VCS account, and know you have uploaded your SSH
> >> key.
> >>
> >>
> >> > So, if this isn't the correct list, please tell me which one is
> instead
> >> > of
> >> > just being condescending and disrespectful.  I haven't been
> >> > disrespectful
> >> > towards you and I would appreciate the same consideration to be
> >> > reciprocated.  But regardless of that, I should have commit privs in
> >> > Docbook
> >> > so if this isn't the place to inquire about it, please tell me whom to
> >> > contact and I'll do so.
> >>
> >> phpdoc@lists.php.net is the appropriate list.
> >> As for doc commit karma, Philip and I hand most of them out.
> >
> >
> > Ok, so should I contact Philip or do you 

[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Docbook Error

2012-07-20 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Kris Craig  wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>  wrote:

>> > And yes I've had the account since 2010.  It's all on the list.  And I
>> > do
>>
>> I know you requested an account on August 9th 2010, and later followed
>> it up in September and again in October.
>
>
> As I recall, actually, I only followed-up once.  But I could be mistaken; it
> was two years ago, after all.

That is why we have archives: http://php.markmail.org/thread/jueltca2ssd7ujmw


>> At somepoint someone approved your account, but at that point in time
>> the approval notice was not sent to a public list. That didn't change
>> until I fixed that earlier this year.
>> Which means I don't know who approved your account - because that
>> person never gave you any karma at all at any time, as you can clearly
>> see by looking at the global_avail file.
>> That is however not really relevant information, just would be
>> interesting to know.
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the approval was on the open list, though he may have
> forgotten to do a reply-all.  I'll have to look through my inbox.  I don't
> remember who it was off the top of my head.


I am not telling you how I think the system works. I am telling you
this is how it works.
Approving a VCS account request is a manual thing done by pressing a
"approve" button on master.
This button used to only generate an email to the requester, and to
group@. No public records.
That mail furthermore did not used to contain who actually approved the account.

Unless someone mailed you directly, you wouldn't know who approved it
- again, at that point in time.
This is no longer the case with today approvals/rejections.


>> > remember being able to edit the PHP.net man pages without the Docbook
>> > editor.  I know I'm not crazy on this, so maybe we're referring to
>> > separate
>> > things?  I'm not sure.  But either way, I have made edits before
>>
>> What does that mean? How did you edit the files? Where did you commit
>> them?
>> Do you have a concrete example?
>> Searching my mailbox shows you have only ever used your account to
>> submit couple of bug tickets, and comment on two or three.
>
>
> I'm not sure.  This was all the way back in 2010.  I remember the UI was
> very different though.  But if what you say is true and it was always
> Docbook, then the only logical explanation is that I'm remembering something
> else.

We did have "the OE" in 2010. And that is the *only* UI we have ever had.


> I have used this account primarily for updates to the Wiki thus far.  I've
> also done some comments and handled a few bugs.  In addition, I submitted an
> RFC and it passed unanimously, though I'm still (slooowly) getting my new
> dev environment setup so I haven't committed the code change to Git yet.


bugsweb and wikiweb karma comes with the approval of an VCS account.
Same with editing/reject user notes and community events.

I know you have made about dozen or so comments on bug reports using
your php.net account.

I'm not questioning if you have an account or not. I am telling you
you do have an account, but without any VCS karma.

I cannot find any traces by you in the form of VCS commits. Be it to
CVS, SVN or GIT.


>
> I've been encouraged to start helping maintain the online docs, which seems
> like a good idea since there's a definite need for it and it's something I
> can help with while I'm getting my dev environment setup.  That's when I ran
> into this brick wall.  The sooner it's fixed, the sooner I can start making
> myself a little more useful than I have been as of late.



Fantastic!
The online editor is a perfect tool for the job.


>
>>
>>
>> > successfully, I do have an account with Git/SVN privs, I do have full
>> > edit
>> > privs on the wiki, and this account was approved through the proper
>> > channels.
>>
>> Everyone with php.net VCS account has full wiki karma. You don't need
>> VCS karma for that.
>> Again, I know you have VCS account, and know you have uploaded your SSH
>> key.
>>
>>
>> > So, if this isn't the correct list, please tell me which one is instead
>> > of
>> > just being condescending and disrespectful.  I haven't been
>> > disrespectful
>> > towards you and I would appreciate the same consideration to be
>> > reciprocated.  But regardless of that, I should have commit privs in
>> > Docbook
>> > so if this isn't the place to inquire about it, please tell me whom to
>> > contact and I'll do so.
>>
>> phpdoc@lists.php.net is the appropriate list.
>> As for doc commit karma, Philip and I hand most of them out.
>
>
> Ok, so should I contact Philip or do you have time to take care of this?


I want you to show us a patch, just like anyone else, before we grant
you any karma.

-Hannes


[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Docbook Error

2012-07-20 Thread Kris Craig
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson <
hannes.magnus...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please stop top-posting and reply inline like everyone else.
>

I accidentally posted that one email at top.  All others have been inline.
 So chill.  ;)


>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Kris Craig  wrote:
> > Hannes it's on the website.  If this isn't the correct mailing list,
> please
> > tell me which one you would like me to use.
>
> Documentations: phpdoc@lists.php.net (or
> doc-@lists.php.net for translations).
>
> For questions about the PhD OE phpdoc@lists.php.net is also much
> better place to ask as more people there use it.
> Technically it used to be doc-web@, but that list is more or less dead
> and only serves as a commit list these days.
>
> This is a fundamental must-know for anyone with php.net account.
> See also http://uk.php.net/mailing-lists.php


Ok, thanks for the info!  I'll review it so as not to annoy you any further.


>
>
>
> > And yes I've had the account since 2010.  It's all on the list.  And I do
>
> I know you requested an account on August 9th 2010, and later followed
> it up in September and again in October.
>

As I recall, actually, I only followed-up once.  But I could be mistaken;
it was two years ago, after all.


>
> At somepoint someone approved your account, but at that point in time
> the approval notice was not sent to a public list. That didn't change
> until I fixed that earlier this year.
> Which means I don't know who approved your account - because that
> person never gave you any karma at all at any time, as you can clearly
> see by looking at the global_avail file.
> That is however not really relevant information, just would be
> interesting to know.
>

I'm pretty sure the approval was on the open list, though he may have
forgotten to do a reply-all.  I'll have to look through my inbox.  I don't
remember who it was off the top of my head.


>
>
> > remember being able to edit the PHP.net man pages without the Docbook
> > editor.  I know I'm not crazy on this, so maybe we're referring to
> separate
> > things?  I'm not sure.  But either way, I have made edits before
>
> What does that mean? How did you edit the files? Where did you commit them?
> Do you have a concrete example?
> Searching my mailbox shows you have only ever used your account to
> submit couple of bug tickets, and comment on two or three.
>

I'm not sure.  This was all the way back in 2010.  I remember the UI was
very different though.  But if what you say is true and it was always
Docbook, then the only logical explanation is that I'm remembering
something else.

I have used this account primarily for updates to the Wiki thus far.  I've
also done some comments and handled a few bugs.  In addition, I submitted
an RFC and it passed unanimously, though I'm still (slooowly) getting my
new dev environment setup so I haven't committed the code change to Git yet.

I've been encouraged to start helping maintain the online docs, which seems
like a good idea since there's a definite need for it and it's something I
can help with while I'm getting my dev environment setup.  That's when I
ran into this brick wall.  The sooner it's fixed, the sooner I can start
making myself a little more useful than I have been as of late.


>
> > successfully, I do have an account with Git/SVN privs, I do have full
> edit
> > privs on the wiki, and this account was approved through the proper
> > channels.
>
> Everyone with php.net VCS account has full wiki karma. You don't need
> VCS karma for that.
> Again, I know you have VCS account, and know you have uploaded your SSH
> key.
>
>
> > So, if this isn't the correct list, please tell me which one is instead
> of
> > just being condescending and disrespectful.  I haven't been disrespectful
> > towards you and I would appreciate the same consideration to be
> > reciprocated.  But regardless of that, I should have commit privs in
> Docbook
> > so if this isn't the place to inquire about it, please tell me whom to
> > contact and I'll do so.
>
> phpdoc@lists.php.net is the appropriate list.
> As for doc commit karma, Philip and I hand most of them out.
>

Ok, so should I contact Philip or do you have time to take care of this?
 Thanks!


>
> -Hannes
>


[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Docbook Error

2012-07-20 Thread Hannes Magnusson
Please stop top-posting and reply inline like everyone else.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Kris Craig  wrote:
> Hannes it's on the website.  If this isn't the correct mailing list, please
> tell me which one you would like me to use.

Documentations: phpdoc@lists.php.net (or
doc-@lists.php.net for translations).

For questions about the PhD OE phpdoc@lists.php.net is also much
better place to ask as more people there use it.
Technically it used to be doc-web@, but that list is more or less dead
and only serves as a commit list these days.

This is a fundamental must-know for anyone with php.net account.
See also http://uk.php.net/mailing-lists.php


> And yes I've had the account since 2010.  It's all on the list.  And I do

I know you requested an account on August 9th 2010, and later followed
it up in September and again in October.

At somepoint someone approved your account, but at that point in time
the approval notice was not sent to a public list. That didn't change
until I fixed that earlier this year.
Which means I don't know who approved your account - because that
person never gave you any karma at all at any time, as you can clearly
see by looking at the global_avail file.
That is however not really relevant information, just would be
interesting to know.


> remember being able to edit the PHP.net man pages without the Docbook
> editor.  I know I'm not crazy on this, so maybe we're referring to separate
> things?  I'm not sure.  But either way, I have made edits before

What does that mean? How did you edit the files? Where did you commit them?
Do you have a concrete example?
Searching my mailbox shows you have only ever used your account to
submit couple of bug tickets, and comment on two or three.


> successfully, I do have an account with Git/SVN privs, I do have full edit
> privs on the wiki, and this account was approved through the proper
> channels.

Everyone with php.net VCS account has full wiki karma. You don't need
VCS karma for that.
Again, I know you have VCS account, and know you have uploaded your SSH key.


> So, if this isn't the correct list, please tell me which one is instead of
> just being condescending and disrespectful.  I haven't been disrespectful
> towards you and I would appreciate the same consideration to be
> reciprocated.  But regardless of that, I should have commit privs in Docbook
> so if this isn't the place to inquire about it, please tell me whom to
> contact and I'll do so.

phpdoc@lists.php.net is the appropriate list.
As for doc commit karma, Philip and I hand most of them out.

-Hannes