Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
Listmembers, On a recent flight to Orlando, I made the decision not to bring the photo equipment. This turned out to be a good thing, as my wife and I were subjects of a two-hour wait for the security check. It did pain me not to bring my equipment, but it did offer me an opportuinity I did not consider before. Pinhole photography is not about specifics or accurate imaging. If it were so, this would be a Leica users list. I would say most of us could cobble together any apparatus which will take a picture in about ten minutes with a box, tape, and needle - ala MacGuyver. For this reason I did not bring my camera with me. The creative process blooms when faced with a problem, and travelling without a camera is a problem. So, I was able to create a pinhole on-site and by using cn400 (bought at the local walgreens) bring it to the one hour lab. Let me tell you, x-rays do not affect developed film. Sure you might lose a few images by not knowing the exact settings - but it's pinhole, this is why we do what we do - we're unconventional. I suggest for all of you who are travelling soon to try a new angle with pinhole. Create images with vessels you find once you get there - a discarded box, a hotel match-box, a toilet paper tube - anything you can make light tight is potentially a camera. This was a very exciting and invigorating re-exposure to the nature and communication of pinhole photography for me. Take care, Don - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th!
[pinhole-discussion] Agfa Slowex Pinhole Camera
Currently on eBay -- an Agfa B2 Speedex Junior, 120-format folding camera converted to pinhole use: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1351108131 Auction closes on Sunday, May 12, 6:24 pm, Pacific Time. Truth in advertising - it is mine. Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
I had a flight last September (shortly after 9-11), and found it easiest to run the (unloaded) cameras in their bag through the x-ray, but to ask them to hand-check the film. They weren't happy about it - they tried to tell me that their x-ray machines were safe for any film speeds up to greater than 400, but I insisted (very politely, I might add), so they went ahead and complied. They might tell you that the machines are safe, but you just never know. It's better not to take the chance. You may want to take all of your film out of the boxes and out of the plastic canisters - you can put the rolls into a clear plastic zip-lock bag. It won't hurt your film (you probably aren't travelling with infrared, now, are you?) and the guys at the security checkpoint may be more inclined to hand-check if they don't have to take too much time to do it. Alternatively, they do sell what are being billed as x-ray proof film bags - I've seen them at my local camera shop, but haven't tried one yet. M Billingslea
Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned using the lead shielded film bags for airline travel. I went to France in Nov. and carried 4x5 HP5+ and TMax 100 120mm film. No hassle whatever and no ill effects to the film either way. Sally, if you're in France in July see the following http://www.rencontres-arles.com/ The Recontres is one of the biggest photographic events in Europe. Perhaps some of our French listers can recommend more. 'Z' _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] speed of paper versus film
- Original Message - From: lwilkin...@schilli.com I'm struggling to understand the relationship between film and photographic paper. Specifically, calculating exposures, etc. Where film may be considered ASA 100, paper may be considered P100. Obviously, it's not the same 100...but what's the relationship? Papers have 2 ISO parameters associated with them, ISO R and ISO P. The former has to do with the density range a paper or combination paper+filter is capable of. The latter is the speed of the paper. Ilford MGIV, for instance, has a speed of ISO P500 when unfiltered. As for the relationship, take the 500 divide it by 100 and you will get a rough estimate of the paper's speed when used as FILM. Using that relationship we find that MGIV has a film speed of ISO-5. If you do a search of this list messages, you'll find that ISO-6 is a very common used value, ISO-5 or 6, close enough, IMO. If you use, let's say, a #0 filter, the ISO P speed becomes ISO P200, so your paper will behave, approximately, as film ISO-2 (I'd approximate that to ISO-3, BTW). Once you know the film speed of your paper and if you know the f/stop of your pinhole camera, calculating exposure is business as usual, with the exception of reciprocity, for which here is a table in a little article I wrote some time ago: http://members.rogers.com/penate/pinsize.htm Hope it helps, Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] speed of paper versus film
--- lwilkin...@schilli.com wrote: I'm struggling to understand the relationship between film and photographic paper. Specifically, calculating exposures, etc. Where film may be considered ASA 100, paper may be considered P100. Obviously, it's not the same 100...but what's the relationship? There is no relationship, the two mean entirely two different things. FWIW, you may wish to use EI 6 as a starting point in your testing, as most papers hover in that range. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Ebay item - 12 packs Polaroid 667
Jack If I had you experiences with older Polaroid, I wouldn't have mentioned it. Yes, I've had some crap, which is evident on the 1st picture. I've come out on the winning side compared to burning through new film. BTW /never freeze Polaroid film... andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of jack duganne Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:02 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Ebay item - 12 packs Polaroid 667 A word to the prudent: I have purchased many packs of Polaroid film on e-bay and the result has been mixed. No matter how well sealed and preserved (in freezers and refrigerators) over more than half of the film is bad! The biggest problem is that the chemicals which process it, when pulled through the rollers, is dried up. Either nothing is there or only a little and as a result most of the shots are never developable. I have since stopped purchasing Polaroid 3.25x4.25 black and white and color film on bargain sites like e-bay - it is just too depressing and frustrating. Jack ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Snap Dragon?
Ray Thanks for the info on the camera. Kurt
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: pinhole is not about sharpness?
On Wednesday, May 08, 2002, aaron wrote: of all the mediums, to choose for sharpness... i would think that there is something else that draws us all to this. for me it's a sense of ritual that ends in image... Maybe sharpness isn't the right term to apply to pinhole. I think even the sharpest pinhole images keep a pinhole quality. It's kind of a glow. I think there is something to be said for detail. Some of my favorite pinhole images are where parts are clear and others are blurred/stretched due to motion or distortion in the filmplane. I also like detail across the depth of focus. That's very pinholey. I also like the process. -- Scott Sellers mailto:scottsell...@mindspring.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
Hello all, I'm going to France in a couple weeks and taking lots of film. What I've read to do is unwrap each roll of film as much as possible - ie, take it out of the little cardboard box or plastic canister - and put the film a clear plastic baggie. Then take it out of your carry-on (carry-on is all I'm taking) and ask that it be hand-checked. My color film is 400 speed, but my black and white is 100. From what I've read here, I think I'll mix up the color and black and white so it will be easier for them to decide to hand-check it all. Good idea? It will be trickier on the return trip as the b/w film will be used in a Holga, which doesn't wind the film very tightly, so I need to put it in a light-tight bag as soon as I unload it from the camera. Thus it won't be visable for airport scrutiny. Also -- if anyone knows of any good photo shows and galleries in Paris or Avignon or Aix-en-Provence, please let me know. Thanks, Sally Bowker
[pinhole-discussion] speed of paper versus film
I'm struggling to understand the relationship between film and photographic paper. Specifically, calculating exposures, etc. Where film may be considered ASA 100, paper may be considered P100. Obviously, it's not the same 100...but what's the relationship? Thanks in advance for any assistance, Lou
Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
I agree that it would easier to buy the film there and have it processed there. In March I flew to Baton Rouge, La from Orlando, Fl. I had my film separate in a small leather pouch, and asked that it be hand inspected. The line of about 100 people had to wait while I was pulled over, my backpack thoroughly searched, and even had to remove my shoes for them to be run through the x-ray. So even though the sign at security says they will be happy to hand inspect if requested; I don't think so. Joe Rollins Irish-German Ancestors - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film Hi folks, I will be taking vacation to Utah in June, and will be shooting some pinhole while out there. Can anyone tell me whether xray or other screening equitment will adversly affect color or black and white film? I primarily shoot TMAX 100, but may bring some color film as well... Maybe someone has had some recent experiences, and can shed some light on this (no pun intended). Thanks, Jeff ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
The last time I flew, I had some 120 tri-x which I forgot was in my hand luggage -- it went through the carry-on screening machine and got a pretty heavy fog (e.g. increased base density) all over the strip of film (both exposed and unexposed parts). I don't think I'll bother to develop the roll of 3000 speed film I had in the bag as well... Philip __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
--- Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net wrote: Can anyone with a better knowledge of physics than I, comment on whether BW film would be more or less susceptible to xray devices? Actually, color film and black and white film are pretty much the same. The only real difference is that color film has dyes that work with the grain clusters to produce the three colors. There should be no appreciable difference. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
Tom What does the x-ray damage look like? Lisa - Original Message - From: Tom Miller twmil...@mr.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film Hi Jeff: Learn from my recent mistakes: I flew to New Orleans in February and bought film there intending to have it processed there, too. I made exposures with a box of Portra 100T and exposed two or three rolls each of Portra 400VC and Ektachrome 64T. The trip went too quick, and I didn't get the film processed there. I ran all the film through the hand-held baggage x-ray. The Portra made it through OK; but the Extachrome 64T was ruined by this one pass through an x-ray machine. I'd recommend checking ahead to make sure that the film you want is available in Salt Lake City and have them hold it for you. Make sure that there is processing available and that the processor knows you're coming. I wasted a lot vacation time calling numerous photo stores in New Orleans only to find out that the film I wanted wasn't available. Spent a lot of time calling labs, too, only to find that their service times didn't mesh with my interary. So, I got to learn the hard way. An alternative is to FedEx film to yourself in Salt Lake City. Then you'll know that you'll have the film you want. The last I heard, FedEx was not x-raying packages; but, things are changing fast these days. A friend how beta-tests new film for manufacturers put it this way: one pass through an x-ray damages film. Tom - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film Hi folks, I will be taking vacation to Utah in June, and will be shooting some pinhole while out there. Can anyone tell me whether xray or other screening equitment will adversly affect color or black and white film? I primarily shoot TMAX 100, but may bring some color film as well... Maybe someone has had some recent experiences, and can shed some light on this (no pun intended). Thanks, Jeff ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
Jeff - I can't speak to the technical aspects of this but I have never trusted these machines. Whenever I travel I ask the insprectors to hand check my camera bag by simpley telling them I have cameras and film in the pack. I have never had a problem. The most I have gotten is a question about a specific camera. Make sure all of the cameras are unloaded just in case someone wants you to open them. You shouldn't have any problems. The last time I flew was just a month ago so this is recent. Cheers Ray Hi folks, I will be taking vacation to Utah in June, and will be shooting some pinhole while out there. Can anyone tell me whether xray or other screening equitment will adversly affect color or black and white film? I primarily shoot TMAX 100, but may bring some color film as well... Maybe someone has had some recent experiences, and can shed some light on this (no pun intended). Thanks, Jeff ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] So who is selling the handmade cameras on EBay?
ie:COMPLETE 4x5 Pinhole Camera KIT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1350468325 ? andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Mike Vande Bunt Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 12:40 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole is not about sharpness? Pinhole photography is not about sharpness, it is about pinhole photography. To put it another way (perhaps more clearly, perhaps not), it is not about how sharp the photo is and it is not about how unsharp the photo is. What it IS about is what the photo looks like. Sometimes being as sharp as possible helps, sometimes being blurry helps. It is certainly true that the optimal size pinhole is a good starting point, but the photographer may need to use a different size to get the photo they want. Serendipity can be a great creative tool, but using the scientific tools that are available (such as the formulas) can work jus as well from a creative standpoint. Note that I said pinhole photography above. Pinhole camera making is not always the same thing. Often, that IS about getting the sharpest photo possible. That is more of an engineering issue than a creative one. The best answer that I can think of to the question What size pinhole should I put in my camera? is: Use the size that will produce the type of photo that you want. In other words, the answer is That depends... Mike Vande Bunt (WPPD2 #97) ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: pinholes from polaroid one step camera
You can also extend the exposure range of the camera by putting a neutral density filter over the lens of the exposure sensor. The maximum exposure range of most of the integral film cameras is on the order of 16 seconds. Black tape over the exposure sensor can be removed before the max time is reached (if you are good at hand timing...). The older peel-apart film camera have a different exposure system with a nearly unlimited exposure time (limited by battery life) as well as the capability to use the 3000 speed film. My WPPD photo (#97) was hand held on a very cloudy day. Mike Vande Bunt Howard Wells wrote: Gina, I haven't fiddled with the shutter at all. By using 600 film and large pinholes (somewhere in the f100 range) I'm still within the exposure range the camera was built for. Smaller pinholes might also work but probably only in bright light. Howard gina wrote: what do you do with the shutter mechanism to get it to stay open for the longer exposures? I cant figure it out. help meee!!! thanks in advance, Gina http://home.ix.netcom.com/~ginabell/index.html ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ .
Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole is not about sharpness?
Pinhole photography is not about sharpness, it is about pinhole photography. To put it another way (perhaps more clearly, perhaps not), it is not about how sharp the photo is and it is not about how unsharp the photo is. What it IS about is what the photo looks like. Sometimes being as sharp as possible helps, sometimes being blurry helps. It is certainly true that the optimal size pinhole is a good starting point, but the photographer may need to use a different size to get the photo they want. Serendipity can be a great creative tool, but using the scientific tools that are available (such as the formulas) can work jus as well from a creative standpoint. Note that I said pinhole photography above. Pinhole camera making is not always the same thing. Often, that IS about getting the sharpest photo possible. That is more of an engineering issue than a creative one. The best answer that I can think of to the question What size pinhole should I put in my camera? is: Use the size that will produce the type of photo that you want. In other words, the answer is That depends... Mike Vande Bunt (WPPD2 #97)
[pinhole-discussion] new pinhole cameras from Daylab
I just saw a note about these recently in, I think Photo Shopper -- Daylab is bringing out some commercial pinhole cameras, in 3x4 polaroid pack size, 4x5 film holder size, and 8x10 size. See http://www.daylab.com/Daylux/daylux.html philip __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com
