Re: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space
Authentic space. Interesting idea, and I like the sound of the words, but I am having trouble undertstanding exactly what we are talking about. Spaces true to their historical context? Perhaps that just means spaces that have failed to keep up with the times. There is a barber shop near where I live that was built in the 1940s, I would guess. I've never been in it, but from the street it looks like a movie set--the old-fashioned leather chairs, enamel sinks, the hand lettering on the window glass. Is this an authentic space? I think you could argue either way equally convincingly. Authentic because unchanged and therefore, in a sense, true to its times, but at the same time an anachronism and not authentic because its times no longer exist, not authentic because it is clearly out of synch with the only times we in fact have, these times. Is it suited to pinhole because we tend to romanticize the simple and elemental qualities of the process and connect them with nostalgia for times past? The most vulgar expression of this may be those sepia photos you can get dressed up in old West clothes. I also remember once standing in front of an innocuous government building in Tokyo built in the Victorian style. I suddenly noticed a plaque noting that it had been the Japanese Army's general headquarters during the war. Suddenly I wanted the place to feel evil. No matter how hard I tried, though, it was just an old building. It was not responsible for the actions planned in it. I decided then that places have no memory. I've had the feeling looking at battlefield sites that were empty fields. Makes me wonder if space can objectively be called authentic or inauthentic at all. I doubt it, somehow. It seems to me more a matter of whether the space resonates at the same frequency we happen to be vibrating at as we gaze at it or as we think about it. Just some thoughts on the subject as I sit here avoiding work I should be doing... I, too, would be interested to hear what other people think. Especially interested in why people think authentic space, if there is such a thing, is a pinhole kind of thing. Colin __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole nude question
Yes this is a great help too. I appreciate the information! Catherine --- Howard Wells sandw...@earthlink.net wrote: Catherine, I've spent a good bit of time battling the lone exposure times of pinhole using a lot of pinholes in the f128 to f150 range with fast film but I've also been able to get interesting effects with lenses without resorting to filters. One method to create pinhole type effects while reducing exposure times is to use a lens either focused past infinity (ie closer to the film plane than infinity) or to move a lens into the macro focus area. In 35mm I use a focusing extension tube (by Zorkendorfer) with enlarging lenses for this. Stopping all the way down increases the detail and if the lens makes a circular aperture the effect can be quite pleasing. I've also shot landscapes with a 55mm macro lens focused at 9 inches and stopped all the way down. Lately I've been putting a Russian 28mm leica thread lens on my nikons. Actual point of focus is about 3 inches from the front of the lens. I've also shot portraits by holding a loupe or other simple lens in front of the camera. Very easy with a 4x5 camera, or any camera with bellows, of course and you have more information to play with on the negative. Hope this helps a little. I'm a tireless experimenter. Howard Wells Catherine Just wrote: I was wondering about the lighting! Thanks for the info. I'm printing it out for a reference! Sounds like I'm better off doing a long exposure - inside - with controlled lighting - with a regular lens camera... Catherine --- Colin Talcroft ctalcr...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Catherine, Thanks for saying you like my work, and I'm glad to hear that looking at it was of help. Thought you and anyone else interested might find it useful to know that those three nudes (including the one you mention specifically) were all done indoors usually with one 500 Watt light. The film was T-Max 100. Exposures with a lens were usually 4 to 16 seconds at f=16 if I remember correctly. The pinhole exposures usually were about 20 minutes at the least, often more like 30, and sometimes as long as 40 minutes. It's not a coincidence that the pinhole poses are mostly reclining. That's about the only way to stay still for that length of time. Often the model would fall asleep! I can remeber a session or two during which I set up the pinholes, let them go, spent 10 or fifteen minutes doing lens photos, and still had time to get out a sketchbook and do some drawings before finishing the pinhole exposures and setting up a new pose! Colin __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Catherine Just Photography Weddings~Portraits~Fine Art http://www.catherinejust.com 619.294.3195 Don't just state your intent, Live it. ~Jerry Seiner Jr. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Catherine Just Photography Weddings~Portraits~Fine Art http://www.catherinejust.com 619.294.3195 Don't just state your intent, Live it. ~Jerry Seiner Jr. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Reciprocity
I was wondering if anyone could help me with Polaroid Reciprocity. I just recently started shooting with a Santa Barbara (2 inch Super Wide) with a Polaroid back. Right now I'm shooting with Polapan 400 BW (72). I've done most of my shooting outside and the exposures have all been less than six seconds. I wanted to try shooting inside under much lower light. I'm just not sure how much I need to compensate for reciprocity. I checked out the info on Polaroid's site, but I'm still a unclear. Has anyone else shot with this film or a similar film that could give me an idea of how much time to add. The shot I want to shoot right now, by my calculations is about 2 and a half minutes without compensating for reciprocity. Thanks in advance for your help. Jason Russell WISH-TV Indianapolis, IN If you go any faster we're gonna travel back through time.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] zone plate
If it's down, you can get to much of the information mirrored on my site at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/Pinhole/Articles/PinholeArticles.htm. Cheers - george --- John Fisher photobu...@hotmail.com wrote: Would you check the URL? I have tried to open the site.But haven't had any luck. thank you From: Paul Prober pro...@silcom.com Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] zone plate Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:34:34 -0700 Hi, Chris Patton at Pinhole and beyond has a zone plate area. The site address is www.standford.edu/~cpatton/zp.html There is many zone plate lens, plus formulas for focusing the lens to subject. Paul Prober ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] using filters
have you tried to put the filter inside the camera? I did thid with my red 25 when i shot IR gbmcneill I've been shooting B+W landscapes on a pinhole camera. To bring out clouds I've been using a yellow filter behind the pinhole - in front would mean than every speck of dirt is in focus. My problem is that specks of dirt cast a blur/shadow on the negs. I've tried vigilant cleaning but can't seem to eradicate them. Any suggestions on keeping contrast in the sky without a filter? Or alternatively how to use a filter without rendering every speck of dirt? thanks, Jeremy. _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole of partial eclipse
From: Richard Heather rheat...@slonet.org Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole of partial eclipse Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:25:06 -0700 Do you have a web address for this search? I have partial eclipse leaf pinhole shadow images. Richard Heather David Samulson email: d...@compuserve.com gb mcneill _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
Re: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space
Actually Steve, I thought that 'authentic space' aptly describes what pinhole photography does best: the least-'mediated' form of optical representation possible, the least mechanically altered form of vision between the object and its representation. Just my .02USD -Z- _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
Re: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space
It seems to me that what you are describing is spaces with a history, and a funky history at that. The remembrance of things past, to steal a phrase. - Original Message - From: Steve Bell veracity...@earthlink.net To: Pinhole List pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space So far i've done a lot of shooting in diners and also in thrift stores. i look at thrift stores as a kind of attempt for some people to reclaim this idea of the past. friends of mine go to them looking for vintage type clothing. i go there to buy every old camera in sight (it's really ridiculous, even the broken ones, gotta have those instamatics). i've also done some industrial/urban landscapes. i think i've stopped defining authentic space by other people's standards, and started defining it by my own, which i'm happy about. that was this series of photos becomes documentary, but also very personal. the one thing i'm really struggling with is the process i'm using. you see i'm doing this all for my color photography class, but i think in the end it would be better if the prints were something like pt/pd or maybe even salt prints or something like that. something that is more on the alternative process tip, simply because i think the subject matter would lend itself well to such a look. whatever are everyone elses thoughts on authentic space? steve [Original Message] From: Gregg Kemp gregg@p at ??? To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: 10/27/2002 7:26:02 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 06:43 PM, Steve Bell wrote: Hmm, well let's see. i originally began with the idea of places where people go to reclaim the past. for example, diners. i go to diners all the time, and a friend of mine started talking to me about the idea of authentic space. like, in the 50's diners were kind of this ideal for the future. all stream lined and chrome and neon. now diners are this ideal of the past. this space where people feel like they are part of something authentic. we also talked about how yuppie artist types get apartments in more urban areas, and nouveau bourgoise people buy industrial type buildings and turn them into living spaces so they can feel more conntected to the working class that they've left behind. this is all architectural theory that she had been reading. it got me very interested. so i've been shooting authentic space. i started off just doing diners and thrift stores, but i've now started relying more on my instincts, shooting whatever feels like authentic space, rather than defining it by these specific criteria. I find this very interesting Steve - the idea of how the perspective of a place changes over time. What places, or types of places have your instincts taken you to (if you don't mind my asking)? And thank you Rosanne, for asking about the meaning of authentic places. I just assumed I had simply missed out on something else. - Gregg ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space
So far i've done a lot of shooting in diners and also in thrift stores. i look at thrift stores as a kind of attempt for some people to reclaim this idea of the past. friends of mine go to them looking for vintage type clothing. i go there to buy every old camera in sight (it's really ridiculous, even the broken ones, gotta have those instamatics). i've also done some industrial/urban landscapes. i think i've stopped defining authentic space by other people's standards, and started defining it by my own, which i'm happy about. that was this series of photos becomes documentary, but also very personal. the one thing i'm really struggling with is the process i'm using. you see i'm doing this all for my color photography class, but i think in the end it would be better if the prints were something like pt/pd or maybe even salt prints or something like that. something that is more on the alternative process tip, simply because i think the subject matter would lend itself well to such a look. whatever are everyone elses thoughts on authentic space? steve [Original Message] From: Gregg Kemp gregg@p at ??? To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: 10/27/2002 7:26:02 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 06:43 PM, Steve Bell wrote: Hmm, well let's see. i originally began with the idea of places where people go to reclaim the past. for example, diners. i go to diners all the time, and a friend of mine started talking to me about the idea of authentic space. like, in the 50's diners were kind of this ideal for the future. all stream lined and chrome and neon. now diners are this ideal of the past. this space where people feel like they are part of something authentic. we also talked about how yuppie artist types get apartments in more urban areas, and nouveau bourgoise people buy industrial type buildings and turn them into living spaces so they can feel more conntected to the working class that they've left behind. this is all architectural theory that she had been reading. it got me very interested. so i've been shooting authentic space. i started off just doing diners and thrift stores, but i've now started relying more on my instincts, shooting whatever feels like authentic space, rather than defining it by these specific criteria. I find this very interesting Steve - the idea of how the perspective of a place changes over time. What places, or types of places have your instincts taken you to (if you don't mind my asking)? And thank you Rosanne, for asking about the meaning of authentic places. I just assumed I had simply missed out on something else. - Gregg ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon
