Re: Plucker integrated with PalmOS calendar?

2004-08-19 Thread Dave Maddock
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| Can we maybe route this through PPI to avoid having to put into Plucker
| a whole load of information on how to process different kinds of
| information?
Makes sense to me.  Hacking on PPI is a little above my head at the
moment, but if this were in place I would help with the modules.
Yours is a better, scalable solution.
Dave.
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Re: Plucker integrated with PalmOS calendar?

2004-08-18 Thread Dave Maddock
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| I'm imagining a link in the viewer that, when clicked on, pops up
| an appointment scheduling screen. If the screen is OK'd (perhaps
| after editing), an appointment is added to the Calendar database.
Sounds like an excellent idea! I'm willing to help out.
Why not go whole-hog and support the addressbook and todo apps as
well? It would be basically a cookie-cutter of the mailto
implementation, with a data record for each type of information.
| Why not just use an XML file, transformed into HTML with the proper
| XSLT + DTD (or XML forms). You could even take an RSS feed, with a
| proper stylesheet, and handle that. Anything is possible, when you
| control the parser.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/NOTE-vcard-rdf-20010222/
Here's a proposed vCard xml implementation.
http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/event/
An RDF module for calendar events.
Dave.
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Re: Plucker integrated with PalmOS calendar?

2004-08-18 Thread Alexander R. Pruss
Dave Maddock wrote:
Why not go whole-hog and support the addressbook and todo apps as
well? It would be basically a cookie-cutter of the mailto
implementation, with a data record for each type of information.
Can we maybe route this through PPI to avoid having to put into Plucker 
a whole load of information on how to process different kinds of 
information?

We could even do this uniformly and have PPI handle even mailto links, 
as well as anything else that anybody feels like implementing.  We would 
have lower bloat worries about PPI since it's an optional component, and 
since it'd be so easy to configure which things get compiled in, so 
quite a lot of neat things could be wired into it, including support for 
custom types.

A typical link would, I suppose, be of the form:
   type:information
PPI would then route this to the appropriate application depending on 
the type, and in some cases would allow one to configure which app this 
type of information goes to and how it is sent there.  We can then add 
to PPI some commmon generic types like
   mailto:
   address:
   schedule:
   todo:
   memo:
   browser:
   telnet:
   dictionary:

(with argument specifying language pair, allowing both standard 
abbreviations of languages as well as non-standard, e.g., 
dictionary:EN:KLINGON:hello )

and make it possible to configure PPI as to how each of these is 
handled.  We could then allow Plucker to be configured as to which PPI 
type word-lookup invokes, so as to handle word-lookup uniformly with 
everything else.

Among other things, we could also have the very general type:
   exec:
with arguments
   crid:launch-code:data
for sublaunching the app with creator id crid, with the specified 
launch-code and with the specified data (which could be binary).  PPI 
would take care of parsing this, sublaunching, etc.

In fact, to remove bloat even further, PPI could just be a plugin 
manager, as its name indicates.  A plugin would be a relocatable code 
module together with a resource marking the type.  And if we want to ban 
non-GPL plugins, we can have PPI check for whether a GPL'ed Haiku is in 
the plugin. :-)

Alex
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Re: Plucker integrated with PalmOS calendar?

2004-08-17 Thread David A. Desrosiers

 There's no HTML out there right now that supports this (or is 
 there?), so obviously this wouldn't be useful for Plucking random 
 web pages. But I'm starting to create a lot of my own web pages with 
 scripts, and some of them suggest the ability to add appointments 
 (movie listings, Heavens Above, etc).

Why not just add your own tags to the HTML, and then add the 
requisite components to the parser to trigger the right function code 
in your modified Plucker viewer? 

datetime value=1092786565Lunch/date or some such. 

It would be easy to tie that into the (not-yet-released) bits 
of pilot-link which will be grokking XML import and export directly. 
You could write a quick script to parse your existing datebook, and 
turn that back into HTML for Plucker, if you wanted, or the reverse, 
tappable links in Plucker to populate a datebook on the Palm.

I think its a really great and unique idea. 

 My HTML language design aesthetic sense is weak... would it be more 
 tasteful to implement this as an extension to the anchor tag, or to 
 invent a new tag?  

My time is pretty limited, but I can certainly help with the 
aesthetic bits of the HTML, if you want.

 If it's an anchor tag, does it make more sense to try to squeeze 
 everything one string (like mailto: does with recipient and sender) 
 or to break it out into multiple attributes?

Why not just use an XML file, transformed into HTML with the 
proper XSLT + DTD (or XML forms). You could even take an RSS feed, 
with a proper stylesheet, and handle that. Anything is possible, when 
you control the parser.

 Or is this whole thing a stupid idea to begin with?

Nothing that increases Plucker's market is a stupid idea.

As Jean Luc Picard once said to Data: 

Everything is impossible, until it isn't.

d.

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Re: Plucker integrated with PalmOS calendar?

2004-08-17 Thread Alexander R. Pruss
David A. Desrosiers wrote:
	Why not just add your own tags to the HTML, and then add the 
requisite components to the parser to trigger the right function code 
in your modified Plucker viewer? 

	datetime value=1092786565Lunch/date or some such. 
Note, too, that internally to the viewer there is support for different 
link types.  Currently, the two types are hyperlink and annotation, but 
adding other types would be quite easy.

Alex
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RE: Plucker integrated with PalmOS calendar?

2004-08-17 Thread Dennis McCunney
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 I'm imagining a link in the viewer that, when clicked on, pops up an
 appointment scheduling screen.  If the screen is OK'd (perhaps after
 editing), an appointment is added to the Calendar database.

Oh.  Cool!

 Or is this whole thing a stupid idea to begin with?

No, I think it's a wonderful idea.  The *really* neat trick would be to have
it work the other way, too, so that tapping a Calendar/ToDo entry brings up
Plucker displaying an HTML page.

One of the things I was starting to play with on my old Visor Pro was Jerry
Hedden's MegaWiki, a wiki implementation for PalmOS that would link just
about anything.  (If the app supported text fields, MegaWiki could probably
jump into/out of it.)

MegaWiki relies on hacks, and is irretrievably broken on my new T|E, though
there are a couple of other offerings that look promising.  (Jerry was
making noises on the MegaWiki list about making the software open source,
since he has no idea how to make it run under OS5, but I don't believe he's
done anything about it yet.)

Ultimately, I'm looking for greater integration, and the ability to get
blended views of the various data stored on my Palm.

 Brian
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