Re: [PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[Neal]

I'm currently trying to find a high perf (gaming-ish) laptop, say quad core
i7, to replace my six year old $250-special dual-core that died a couple
weeks ago.One objective is to drive an UHD (3840 x 2160) monitor at
something better than 1080i (1920 x 1080 @ 30Hz) of the old laptop. In my
search I discovered that only the new HDMI 2 spec supports 3840 x 2160 at
60Hz but I didn't run across any laptop that mentioned support for this.
HDMI 1.4/a/b does support 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz so if you're doing CAD work
and not playing games it's probably adequate.

There's a nice feature vs. version table about halfway down the page at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI .

DisplayPort ​1.2 supports 3840 x 2160 @ 60Hz but sadly the only laptops
that have a DP connector seem to be spendy business class ones and even
spendier Macbooks.

Happy system building,
NealS
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Re: [PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses

[Patrick J. Timlick]

I think you should add more detail.  Show your partition tables, show the
commands you used to install, show the messages that indicate the wrong
thing happened.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

> I posted the following question Dec 2 to the debian-user list. My
> observation has of that list has been initial replies will be
> within 24 hours.
>
> My inference is question was poorly framed or not posted to
> suitable forum.
> { I've made minor edits indicated by [[new text]] .}
> Comments please. Thank you.
>
> On 12/2/2015 12:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I have successfully installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive.
> > I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}.
> >
> > All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1.
> > Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems.
> >
> > My first attempt [[installing to flash]]  with Jessie was using Expert
> mode but accepting
> > all defaults except configuring network [none present] and
> > setting clock to UTC. On reboot all I got was a blank screen and
> > a flashing cursor.
> >
> > On my second attempt I first installed Squeeze to the flash drive
> > to verify that all hardware [and the operator ;] was functional.
> > It/I was.
> >
> > I then installed Squeeze to entire [[flash]] drive. It booted normally.
> > I shrank the Squeeze partition with Gparted and then attempted to
> > install Jessie to the freed space. All appeared to go as expected.
> >
> > HOWEVER, on reboot I saw the Grub screen created by the install
> > of Squeeze.
> > I booted to Squeeze and ran update-grub.
> > On reboot there were now entries for both Squeeze and Jessie.
> > BOTH could be started and appeared normal.
> >
> > 1. Is this a known problem? How would I search BTS for it?
> > 2. How would I have the installer send all relevant log files to
> > my hard drive?
> >
> > TIA
> >
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[PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses

[Richard Owlett]

I posted the following question Dec 2 to the debian-user list. My 
observation has of that list has been initial replies will be 
within 24 hours.

My inference is question was poorly framed or not posted to 
suitable forum.
{ I've made minor edits indicated by [[new text]] .}
Comments please. Thank you.

On 12/2/2015 12:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have successfully installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive.
> I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}.
>
> All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1.
> Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems.
>
> My first attempt [[installing to flash]]  with Jessie was using Expert mode 
> but accepting
> all defaults except configuring network [none present] and
> setting clock to UTC. On reboot all I got was a blank screen and
> a flashing cursor.
>
> On my second attempt I first installed Squeeze to the flash drive
> to verify that all hardware [and the operator ;] was functional.
> It/I was.
>
> I then installed Squeeze to entire [[flash]] drive. It booted normally.
> I shrank the Squeeze partition with Gparted and then attempted to
> install Jessie to the freed space. All appeared to go as expected.
>
> HOWEVER, on reboot I saw the Grub screen created by the install
> of Squeeze.
> I booted to Squeeze and ran update-grub.
> On reboot there were now entries for both Squeeze and Jessie.
> BOTH could be started and appeared normal.
>
> 1. Is this a known problem? How would I search BTS for it?
> 2. How would I have the installer send all relevant log files to
> my hard drive?
>
> TIA
>

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Re: [PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/5/2015 9:20 AM, Patrick J. Timlick wrote:
> I think you should add more detail.  Show your partition tables, show the
> commands you used to install, show the messages that indicate the wrong
> thing happened.

I think you have me moving in a productive {possibly not "*THE* 
right"} direction.
"Show your partition tables" lead to reading up on fdisk.
I don't know to "show the commands you used to install" as was 
responding to prompts from the installer. I was hoping that log 
files would give useful info.

In answer to my second question of my debian-user post, I 
discovered existence of
"/var/log/installer/". I had read "Debian GNU/Linux Installation 
Guide" several times in the last couple of years. That's why I 
knew log files existed. Just didn't remember where.

As to "show the messages that indicate the wrong thing happened", 
there were none - i.e. a "silent" failure. The only system was 
inability to boot the newly installed system.

I'm now setting out to do a series of installs to *CLEAN* media. 
That explicitly means use of "dd" with "if=/dev/zero". Yess I do 
have hardware dedicated to 'educational' experiments  { > 
50 yrs of component level trouble shooting has taught me to start 
from a known state ;}

>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
>> I posted the following question Dec 2 to the debian-user list. My
>> observation has of that list has been initial replies will be
>> within 24 hours.
>>
>> My inference is question was poorly framed or not posted to
>> suitable forum.
>> { I've made minor edits indicated by [[new text]] .}
>> Comments please. Thank you.
>>
>> On 12/2/2015 12:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> I have successfully installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive.
>>> I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}.
>>>
>>> All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1.
>>> Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems.
>>>
>>> My first attempt [[installing to flash]]  with Jessie was using Expert
>> mode but accepting
>>> all defaults except configuring network [none present] and
>>> setting clock to UTC. On reboot all I got was a blank screen and
>>> a flashing cursor.
>>>
>>> On my second attempt I first installed Squeeze to the flash drive
>>> to verify that all hardware [and the operator ;] was functional.
>>> It/I was.
>>>
>>> I then installed Squeeze to entire [[flash]] drive. It booted normally.
>>> I shrank the Squeeze partition with Gparted and then attempted to
>>> install Jessie to the freed space. All appeared to go as expected.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER, on reboot I saw the Grub screen created by the install
>>> of Squeeze.
>>> I booted to Squeeze and ran update-grub.
>>> On reboot there were now entries for both Squeeze and Jessie.
>>> BOTH could be started and appeared normal.
>>>
>>> 1. Is this a known problem? How would I search BTS for it?
>>> 2. How would I have the installer send all relevant log files to
>>> my hard drive?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:30:05 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard  dijo:

>   I've had excellent service using Asus system boards.

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Re: [PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses

[Patrick J. Timlick]

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 12/5/2015 9:20 AM, Patrick J. Timlick wrote:
> > I think you should add more detail.  Show your partition tables, show the
> > commands you used to install, show the messages that indicate the wrong
> > thing happened.
>
> I think you have me moving in a productive {possibly not "*THE*
> right"} direction.
>
You don't want to go in the productive direction?

> "Show your partition tables" lead to reading up on fdisk.
>
 put the output of sudo fdisk -l in your query.

> I don't know to "show the commands you used to install" as was
> responding to prompts from the installer.

Write down what the installer ask and what you answered.

> I was hoping that log
> files would give useful info.
>
Look through /var/logs for potential clues, and put them in your query.

>
> In answer to my second question of my debian-user post, I
> discovered existence of
> "/var/log/installer/". I had read "Debian GNU/Linux Installation
> Guide" several times in the last couple of years. That's why I
> knew log files existed. Just didn't remember where.
>
> As to "show the messages that indicate the wrong thing happened",
> there were none - i.e. a "silent" failure. The only system was
> inability to boot the newly installed system.
>
put the commands you used to try to unsucessfully boot and the response
from the system.

>
> I'm now setting out to do a series of installs to *CLEAN* media.
>


> That explicitly means use of "dd" with "if=/dev/zero".

I wouldn't bother with that, but I'm always encouraged to see the
scientific method in use.

> Yess I do
> have hardware dedicated to 'educational' experiments  { >
> 50 yrs of component level trouble shooting has taught me to start
> from a known state ;}
>
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Richard Owlett 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I posted the following question Dec 2 to the debian-user list. My
> >> observation has of that list has been initial replies will be
> >> within 24 hours.
> >>
> >> My inference is question was poorly framed or not posted to
> >> suitable forum.
> >> { I've made minor edits indicated by [[new text]] .}
> >> Comments please. Thank you.
> >>
> >> On 12/2/2015 12:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> I have successfully installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive.
> >>> I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}.
> >>>
> >>> All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1.
> >>> Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems.
> >>>
> >>> My first attempt [[installing to flash]]  with Jessie was using Expert
> >> mode but accepting
> >>> all defaults except configuring network [none present] and
> >>> setting clock to UTC. On reboot all I got was a blank screen and
> >>> a flashing cursor.
> >>>
> >>> On my second attempt I first installed Squeeze to the flash drive
> >>> to verify that all hardware [and the operator ;] was functional.
> >>> It/I was.
> >>>
> >>> I then installed Squeeze to entire [[flash]] drive. It booted normally.
> >>> I shrank the Squeeze partition with Gparted and then attempted to
> >>> install Jessie to the freed space. All appeared to go as expected.
> >>>
> >>> HOWEVER, on reboot I saw the Grub screen created by the install
> >>> of Squeeze.
> >>> I booted to Squeeze and ran update-grub.
> >>> On reboot there were now entries for both Squeeze and Jessie.
> >>> BOTH could be started and appeared normal.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Is this a known problem? How would I search BTS for it?
> >>> 2. How would I have the installer send all relevant log files to
> >>> my hard drive?
> >>>
> >>> TIA
> >>>
> >>
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[PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[Pete Lancashire]

It is time for me to build a new PC. I like having to build one, gives me
one of those warm and fuzzy feeling and lets me say to myself I can still
use a screwdriver.

Looking for a main board, Don't do games but maybe in 2016 I will upgrade
to one of the nice high resolution monitors and will want to keep a 2nd
monitor.

I have a smaller scanner that has Firewire (and USB 2 but can not keep up
with the data rate). So at least one PCI-E slot, the old MB I have uses a
PCI card but I dont mind getting a adpater board if I have to.

BTW my two big scanners are SCSI-2 (with SCSI-3 capable interfaces) but I
have a older server PC for them. One maxes out SCSI-2. Someday like to have
a PC for the scanners since the server PC puts out about the same sound
level then when your at PDX getting on board a puddle jumper.

Here is a crappy part, I may want to dual boot. I have some industrial and
control software that only run under Windoz.

Price is an object but not top on the list, a good solid running board is.
I like buying from Newegg but don't have to.

Suggestions ? Success or failure stories ?

-pete
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Re: [PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Pete Lancashire wrote:

> Here is a crappy part, I may want to dual boot. I have some industrial and
> control software that only run under Windoz.

Pete,

   Can you run those windoz applications in a virtual machine?

> Price is an object but not top on the list, a good solid running board is.
> I like buying from Newegg but don't have to.

   I've had excellent service using Asus system boards.

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Re: [PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[Pete Lancashire]

I might be able to but two of them 'talk' to serial ports. They are for
programming PLC's (Programmable Logic Controllers).

-pete

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
> > Here is a crappy part, I may want to dual boot. I have some industrial
> and
> > control software that only run under Windoz.
>
> Pete,
>
>Can you run those windoz applications in a virtual machine?
>
> > Price is an object but not top on the list, a good solid running board
> is.
> > I like buying from Newegg but don't have to.
>
>I've had excellent service using Asus system boards.
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[eric . maillist]

I highly recommend an SSD (drive) large enough to hold the OS and all installed 
apps. 

Eric

Dec 5, 2015 2:50 PM、Pete Lancashire  のメッセージ:

> I might be able to but two of them 'talk' to serial ports. They are for
> programming PLC's (Programmable Logic Controllers).
> 
> -pete
> 
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
> 
>>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is a crappy part, I may want to dual boot. I have some industrial
>> and
>>> control software that only run under Windoz.
>> 
>> Pete,
>> 
>>   Can you run those windoz applications in a virtual machine?
>> 
>>> Price is an object but not top on the list, a good solid running board
>> is.
>>> I like buying from Newegg but don't have to.
>> 
>>   I've had excellent service using Asus system boards.
>> 
>> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[Russell Senior]

> "Pete" == Pete Lancashire  writes:

Pete> It is time for me to build a new PC. I like having to build one,
Pete> gives me one of those warm and fuzzy feeling and lets me say to
Pete> myself I can still use a screwdriver.

Typically what I do is see what ENU,inc stocks and research which is the
cheapest CPU/MB they carry that meets my wants/needs.  The last machine
I put together was a 6-core AMD64 box.  When I know approximately what I
want, I might shop around for good prices, but sometimes convenience
trumps better prices (within reason).  I think all the parts were just a
few hundred dollars.


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