Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
The Arch Anywhere XFCE pretty much looked identical to their OpenBox, but used 192M of memory I don't feel like exporting an appliance, but if you try, you need to install the ARch anywhere Repository this time. I also did an arch-anywhere -u first On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Nat Taylor wrote: > Here is a link to an .ova Virtualbox Appliance that is an Arch Linux > installation created by Arch-Anywhere > that has the following desktops installed: > Budgie > Cinnamon > LXDE > Mate > Openbox > > (The menu says there's gnome options but they dont work, I didn't install > gnome. I tried to install the Arch-Anywere custom XFCE, but it didn't > install for some reason, maybe I need to select XFCE from the menu too. > The install was fairly quick an painless, although it should be noted that > the Arch Anywhere installer crashes if you select the Arch Anywhere > Repository from the Additional Software menu; it says its already in the > database but doesn't install. IT also crashed if you selected (one of, > probably the later) gnome group and/or gtk3(Experimental). Everything is > already installed here so don't worry about it unless you're trying to > replicate this) > > It uses Lightdm for the Display Manger, and you can select the Desktop > Enviroment by clicking on the little icon on the top right of the screen, > on the left side of the little line of icons. > > The username is dude > the password is AbitaAbider22@ > the root password is dugPLUGwhatalug! > > If you're paranoid I got sneaky and hid some evil stuff in there, disable > the networking through Virtualbox, but I don't have the time or desire to > do so, and besides, I imagine this is the wrong list to mess with... > > The custom Arch Anywhere OpenBox is very Haxxor... I actually kinda like > it, but Htop says its not quite as fast as LXDE > Budgie used the most memory, followed by Cinnamon (which said it would be > faster if it wasn't running in frame buffer due to video drivers), followed > by Mate, then, OpenBox, the LXDE > > Mate (246M) felt the most familiar, due to past gnome2 use. LXDE (162M) > was lightning fast and it looked good, and I might be able to get used to > that l33t Arch Anywhere OpenBox(174M)... > > > I'm not sure if it's fair to just logout and start a new desktop > environment, but thats what I did, and the results seemed consistent... > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Mw4QXQzulid1BsWEVfbFVieHc/ > view?usp=sharing > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor wrote: >> >> > I do like it >> > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker? i forget), which I >> > have seen on both distros. >> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard >> > wrote: >> > >> > Is this what you are thinking about: >> http://glx-dock.org/ >> It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac >> stuff too. Very >> configurable. >> >> Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- >> Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. >> The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. >> ___ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
Here is a link to an .ova Virtualbox Appliance that is an Arch Linux installation created by Arch-Anywhere that has the following desktops installed: Budgie Cinnamon LXDE Mate Openbox (The menu says there's gnome options but they dont work, I didn't install gnome. I tried to install the Arch-Anywere custom XFCE, but it didn't install for some reason, maybe I need to select XFCE from the menu too. The install was fairly quick an painless, although it should be noted that the Arch Anywhere installer crashes if you select the Arch Anywhere Repository from the Additional Software menu; it says its already in the database but doesn't install. IT also crashed if you selected (one of, probably the later) gnome group and/or gtk3(Experimental). Everything is already installed here so don't worry about it unless you're trying to replicate this) It uses Lightdm for the Display Manger, and you can select the Desktop Enviroment by clicking on the little icon on the top right of the screen, on the left side of the little line of icons. The username is dude the password is AbitaAbider22@ the root password is dugPLUGwhatalug! If you're paranoid I got sneaky and hid some evil stuff in there, disable the networking through Virtualbox, but I don't have the time or desire to do so, and besides, I imagine this is the wrong list to mess with... The custom Arch Anywhere OpenBox is very Haxxor... I actually kinda like it, but Htop says its not quite as fast as LXDE Budgie used the most memory, followed by Cinnamon (which said it would be faster if it wasn't running in frame buffer due to video drivers), followed by Mate, then, OpenBox, the LXDE Mate (246M) felt the most familiar, due to past gnome2 use. LXDE (162M) was lightning fast and it looked good, and I might be able to get used to that l33t Arch Anywhere OpenBox(174M)... I'm not sure if it's fair to just logout and start a new desktop environment, but thats what I did, and the results seemed consistent... https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Mw4QXQzulid1BsWEVfbFVieHc/view?usp=sharing On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor wrote: > > > I do like it > > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker? i forget), which I > > have seen on both distros. > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard > > wrote: > > > > Is this what you are thinking about: > http://glx-dock.org/ > It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac > stuff too. Very > configurable. > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. > The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor wrote: > I do like it > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker? i forget), which I > have seen on both distros. > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard > wrote: > > Is this what you are thinking about: http://glx-dock.org/ It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac stuff too. Very configurable. Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Examples of customized grub2 configuration files?
Would these articles help you to get started? https://www.suse.com/documentation/sled-12/singlehtml/book_sle_admin/bo ok_sle_admin.html#cha.grub2 https://nnc3.com/mags/LM10/Magazine/Archive/2010/111/058-060_grub2/arti cle.html http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10830 - page 2 Tomas On Mon, 2017-04-03 at 14:30 -0700, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > I'm looking for examples (with explanatory comments) of > customized configuration files to use in the /etc/grub.d > directory, somewhere out there on the intertubes. > > Specifically, what I hope to add is a "11_single" file > to /etc/grub.d that adds a boot menu option for booting > the most recent kernel in single user mode. > > Yes, I know I can select a menu entry with "e", and > then edit "SINGLE" onto the end of the kernel line. > However, I will typically only do this when something > is wrong, I am in a hurry to fix it, and prone to > mistakes. I prefer to prepare for emergencies in > advance, when I am calm and have time to think things > through, so I will have more brain cells to focus on > on the specifics of an unplanned emergency. > > I do best by copying and understanding examples. The > example "41_custom" file has almost no useful comments; > they are there to remind the grub2 maintainer, not teach > a newbie to make safe tweaks. Ditto the documentation. > > Completely implemented and explained, the new grub2 > setup could be a lot safer and easier to use than the > old grub setup. But old grub was simple vi tweaks of > a single grub.conf file, and the new setup requires > far more knowledge to operate properly. I prefer to > learn from multiple tested examples. I'd rather spend > an hour than a week learning to do this. > > Any suggestions? I did find an almost-germane > explanation of a particular grub2 customization at > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/CustomMenus > but my brain is too small to translate that into the > solution that I am hoping for. > > Keith > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
I have looked at LXDE. It was nice and shiny on Lubuntu, pretty slick. The default arch install wasn't quite as slick, I didn't sit around and try to customize it and make it look better. I think it looked ok on Debian, maybe better on the Siduction distro? I didn't like their LXQT that much, wasn't polished yet, and the icons looked old. I just kinda thought the default install of XFCE looked a little slicker than LXDE. I do like it when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker? i forget), which I have seen on both distros. I know a lot of thats all theming, but a nice default theme goes a long way with me. That said, LXDE is faster than XFCE, and I would definitely choose it first on a computer that lacked cpu cycles. Lubuntu is a fine distro to put on someone's old laptop if you don't want to field a lot of tech support questions, but for myself, I prefer arch and arch derivatives, although next time I think I might go for Arch Anywhere or something if i don't feel like installing it the Arch way. Debian would be my next choice for a desktop, and I have to admit I like a lot of the customizations in Ubuntu Server, like their slick byobu setup. I ramble slightly off topic, so I'm gonna go install arch anywhere in a vm and see how that goes. The torrent came down at a respectable 7MB/sec, so it took less time than to type this message! On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Nat Taylor wrote: > > > I used Cinnamon, then Mate, then KDE on my arch desktop after I read a > > recent comparison of CPU cycle usage by various modern desktops. I was > > surprised to see KDE out front so I tried it out when I did a reinstall > > due to a failing hard drive. I have also been using XFCE on some VMs > > lately, and it's quite nice these days. > > Nat, > >Have you looked at LXDE? It's very light weight and highly customizable. > > Rich > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Raid confusion
Why new filer? They take more than one disk, no? Some of them can have expansion enclosures too. On Mon, 2017-04-03 at 15:31 -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:40:39 -0700 > Tom dijo: > > > Raid 0 is striping - it combines the disk space from 2 or more > > disks to > > larger volume - obvious disadvantage is you loose all data on any > > disk > > failure and at RAID0 creation. > > If you want the combined disk space from 2 disks and do not care > > about > > redundancy - just add the disk to your Synology filer, add it to > > disk > > group, create JBOD volume and you are done or you can create new > > volume > > and export it separately. In the event one of your disks failing, > > the > > data on the second one are normally accessible either in the filer > > or > > as ext4 filesystem. > > I would think that using your Synology filer is better, safer and > > more > > reliable way to go than some exotic USB enclosure. Feel free to > > bring > > your filer + disk to PLUG clinic to get help. > > Considering the problems I am having finding a reliable 2-bay USB > enclosure with Raid I am revisiting the idea of just getting a second > Synology. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Apache-2.4.25 borked???
I am trying to figure out why I can't get the latest Horde Groupware to work. I custom compiled Apache-2.4.25 and PHP-5.6.30. I'm suspicious of the config files for Apache especially. I'm most worried about how to properly configure php-fpm. I suspect that a misconfiguration is responsible for the manual not being readable. Uge! [michael@eagle ~]$ cat configapache.bash #!/bin/bash ./configure \ --prefix=/usr \ --sysconfdir=/etc/httpd \ --sharedstatedir=/var/httpd/sha \ --localstatedir=/var/httpd/loc \ --libdir=/usr/lib64/httpd \ --enable-authnz-fcgi\ --enable-mods-shared="all cgi" \ --enable-mpms-shared=all\ --enable-suexec=shared \ --with-apr=/usr/bin/apr-1-config\ --with-apr-util=/usr/bin/apu-1-config \ --with-suexec-bin=/usr/lib/httpd/suexec \ --with-suexec-caller=apache \ --with-suexec-docroot=/var/www \ --with-suexec-logfile=/var/log/httpd/suexec.log \ --with-suexec-uidmin=500\ --with-suexec-userdir=public_html [michael@eagle ~]$ [michael@eagle ~]$ cat configphp.bash #!/bin/bash ./configure --prefix=/usr \ --sysconfdir=/etc \ --localstatedir=/var \ --datadir=/usr/share/php \ --mandir=/usr/share/man \ --enable-fpm \ --with-fpm-user=apache \ --with-fpm-group=apache \ --with-config-file-path=/etc \ --with-zlib \ --enable-bcmath \ --with-bz2 \ --enable-calendar\ --enable-dba=shared \ --with-gdbm \ --with-gmp \ --enable-ftp \ --with-mysqli=shared \ --with-pdo-mysql=shared \ --with-pgsql \ --with-pdo-pgsql \ --with-gettext \ --enable-mbstring\ --with-gd\ --with-openssl \ --with-tidy \ --with-ldap \ --with-readline [michael@eagle ~]$ Some help getting the options right and getting the source recompiled and into rpm packages would be very much appreciated. My base system is CentOS 6.8 with custom compiled Perl-5.18.1, apr-1.5.2, and apr- util-1.5.2. I may have borked openssl attempting to install opeenssl-1.0.2k from source concerned about the heartbleed bug. CentOS could really use a tool to find and remove configuration and program files from software that is source installed. I hate to start over essentially, but it looks like I have to. I need to find out what files were installed and where so I can reinstall php, apr, apr-util, and apache. I'm thinking about installing to /usr/local. Ultimately, I will likely have to replace CentOS 6.8 on my gateway servers with CentOS 7.3. Lots of work. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Nat Taylor wrote: > I used Cinnamon, then Mate, then KDE on my arch desktop after I read a > recent comparison of CPU cycle usage by various modern desktops. I was > surprised to see KDE out front so I tried it out when I did a reinstall > due to a failing hard drive. I have also been using XFCE on some VMs > lately, and it's quite nice these days. Nat, Have you looked at LXDE? It's very light weight and highly customizable. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
I used Cinnamon, then Mate, then KDE on my arch desktop after I read a recent comparison of CPU cycle usage by various modern desktops. I was surprised to see KDE out front so I tried it out when I did a reinstall due to a failing hard drive. I have also been using XFCE on some VMs lately, and it's quite nice these days. Manjaro has a nice XFCE implementation on its default desktop. Siduction does as well, and they have a Mate version as well. It's all Debian Sid, so it might be a good fit, if you're set on Mate. On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:15 PM Seth Alford wrote: > Mate 1.16.1 on Fedora 25 > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dick Steffens > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Does t open a terminal in Ubuntu MATE? > > > > > > Yessirr, indeedee it does. Remember one thing I have replaced the > Window > > manager Marco with Compiz, beyond that it is not changed. You can select > > window managers in: > > > > System > Preferences > Look and Feel > Mate Tweak. > > > > That is really the only thing I can think of that I change. > > > > > > -- > > > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > > Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. > > The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
Mate 1.16.1 on Fedora 25 On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dick Steffens > wrote: > > > > > > > Does t open a terminal in Ubuntu MATE? > > > > Yessirr, indeedee it does. Remember one thing I have replaced the Window > manager Marco with Compiz, beyond that it is not changed. You can select > window managers in: > > System > Preferences > Look and Feel > Mate Tweak. > > That is really the only thing I can think of that I change. > > > -- > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. > The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: > > > Does t open a terminal in Ubuntu MATE? > > Yessirr, indeedee it does. Remember one thing I have replaced the Window manager Marco with Compiz, beyond that it is not changed. You can select window managers in: System > Preferences > Look and Feel > Mate Tweak. That is really the only thing I can think of that I change. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Raid confusion
On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:40:39 -0700 Tom dijo: >Raid 0 is striping - it combines the disk space from 2 or more disks to >larger volume - obvious disadvantage is you loose all data on any disk >failure and at RAID0 creation. >If you want the combined disk space from 2 disks and do not care about >redundancy - just add the disk to your Synology filer, add it to disk >group, create JBOD volume and you are done or you can create new volume >and export it separately. In the event one of your disks failing, the >data on the second one are normally accessible either in the filer or >as ext4 filesystem. >I would think that using your Synology filer is better, safer and more >reliable way to go than some exotic USB enclosure. Feel free to bring >your filer + disk to PLUG clinic to get help. Considering the problems I am having finding a reliable 2-bay USB enclosure with Raid I am revisiting the idea of just getting a second Synology. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
On 04/03/2017 10:00 AM, Chuck Hast wrote: > This machine I am using was a Free Geek machine, it had Linux Mint on it, I > tried it and it was pretty good, but I had some issues after running it for > a while, The only annoyance I recall from my old laptop was not having t open a terminal. I'm sure I could have figured out how to create a shortcut for it, but I didn't use it often enough to take the time. I used to use that laptop in the living room to feed sound to the stereo, but it developed a buzz. I'll probably find another use for it one of these days, but for now it's in the closet, and the Lenovo 200 tablet/laptop is serving the audio function. Does t open a terminal in Ubuntu MATE? -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 11:04:30 -0700 Galen Seitz dijo: >On 04/03/17 10:40, John Jason Jordan wrote: >> I am looking for a 2-bay USB enclosure, at least USB 3.0, with >> internal software capable of Raid 0. I have been looking at the ICY >> DOCK MB662U3-2S: >I would be leery of any USB RAID setup unless I knew with absolute >certainty that the RAID format/metadata was well documented and >portable. In other words, you need to be very certain that it is >possible to remove the RAID disks from the enclosure and recover the >data. If the RAID format is proprietary, you would be in trouble if >the enclosure dies or the company goes belly up. I have been shopping all day for USB 3.0 enclosures, and the results are not encouraging. At this time my plan is to buy a 2-bay enclosure but use it for now with just the 6TB WD Red Pro drive currently in the Synology. I only want it to be 2-bay for future expansion. Once the 6TB drive is out of the Synology the enclosure will be empty. I will then add a new WD Red Pro 8TB drive to it. The Synology is a DS216j 2-bay NAS enclosure, so some day I will add a second drive to it, probably another 8TB Red Pro. And for both the USB and the Synology, once they have a second drive I will use just Raid 0. The USB is backed up to the Synology nightly with rsync to make it a mirror of the USB, hence I don't need a Raid that creates redundancy - no need for hot swapping a failed drive. My shopping problem is that there are not a lot of 2-bay USB enclosures with built in Raid on the market. And every one that I can find has numerous horrible reviews, almost all of which are due to mechanical failure, i.e., poor quality control by the manufacturer, not software problems with the Raid. I realize that there are numerous people here who administer big server setups and when I say "Raid" they immediately assume that I want hot swapping redundancy, but I don't see the need for that. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
On 04/03/2017 09:53 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/03/2017 09:58 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: >> [SNIP preamble] >> So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using? >> I see >> a list at https://mate-desktop.org/ that includes Linux Mint, which I >> know about, and also Ubuntu MATE, which I wasn't aware of. I'm happy >> with the Debian approach to software installation, such as apt and >> Synaptic, and would just as soon stay with those. What version(s) do >> any of you use that you're happy with? >> > I use Debian Jessie with "Package: mate-desktop-environment (1.8.0+9)" > see https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mate-desktop-environment . Thanks. I'll take a look at it, too. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Raid confusion
Synology can auto expand storage volume by adding disks to redundant RAID types such as RAID1,5 or 6. In your case, adding disk and asking the filer to integrate it will add it to RAID1 configuration - you will gain redundancy, not capacity. If you add another 2 disks and ask the filer to integrate them - it will create RAID5 - giving you redundancy and expand the storage capacity to 2x - RAID 5 uses one disk for redundancy/parity, so the volume size is always sum(n-1), n-being number of disks. Raid 0 is striping - it combines the disk space from 2 or more disks to larger volume - obvious disadvantage is you loose all data on any disk failure and at RAID0 creation. If you want the combined disk space from 2 disks and do not care about redundancy - just add the disk to your Synology filer, add it to disk group, create JBOD volume and you are done or you can create new volume and export it separately. In the event one of your disks failing, the data on the second one are normally accessible either in the filer or as ext4 filesystem. I would think that using your Synology filer is better, safer and more reliable way to go than some exotic USB enclosure. Feel free to bring your filer + disk to PLUG clinic to get help. Hope it helps, Tomas On Mon, 2017-04-03 at 11:53 -0700, Robert Citek wrote: > Most likely, yes. The RAID (of any level) needs to be initialized, > and that process will effectively wipe data on the attached physical > devices. > > That said, there are some interesting RAID-like technologies that > automatically expand across new devices, e.g. Drobo, acting like a > hybrid of RAID and LVM. I don't know if Synology NAS employs that or > similar technology. > > Regards, > - Robert > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Jason Jordan > wrote: > > If I start with one 8TB drive in my Synology NAS, and later add > > another and set them up as Raid 0, does the striping to Raid 0 mean > > that the data on the existing drive gets wiped out? > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Examples of customized grub2 configuration files?
I'm looking for examples (with explanatory comments) of customized configuration files to use in the /etc/grub.d directory, somewhere out there on the intertubes. Specifically, what I hope to add is a "11_single" file to /etc/grub.d that adds a boot menu option for booting the most recent kernel in single user mode. Yes, I know I can select a menu entry with "e", and then edit "SINGLE" onto the end of the kernel line. However, I will typically only do this when something is wrong, I am in a hurry to fix it, and prone to mistakes. I prefer to prepare for emergencies in advance, when I am calm and have time to think things through, so I will have more brain cells to focus on on the specifics of an unplanned emergency. I do best by copying and understanding examples. The example "41_custom" file has almost no useful comments; they are there to remind the grub2 maintainer, not teach a newbie to make safe tweaks. Ditto the documentation. Completely implemented and explained, the new grub2 setup could be a lot safer and easier to use than the old grub setup. But old grub was simple vi tweaks of a single grub.conf file, and the new setup requires far more knowledge to operate properly. I prefer to learn from multiple tested examples. I'd rather spend an hour than a week learning to do this. Any suggestions? I did find an almost-germane explanation of a particular grub2 customization at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/CustomMenus but my brain is too small to translate that into the solution that I am hoping for. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Raid confusion
you can use a software raid called ZFS, if you're doing it from the linux subsystem, I'm not sure if it will work with the synology software. On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Robert Citek wrote: > Most likely, yes. The RAID (of any level) needs to be initialized, > and that process will effectively wipe data on the attached physical > devices. > > That said, there are some interesting RAID-like technologies that > automatically expand across new devices, e.g. Drobo, acting like a > hybrid of RAID and LVM. I don't know if Synology NAS employs that or > similar technology. > > Regards, > - Robert > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > > If I start with one 8TB drive in my Synology NAS, and later add > > another and set them up as Raid 0, does the striping to Raid 0 mean > > that the data on the existing drive gets wiped out? > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Raid confusion
Most likely, yes. The RAID (of any level) needs to be initialized, and that process will effectively wipe data on the attached physical devices. That said, there are some interesting RAID-like technologies that automatically expand across new devices, e.g. Drobo, acting like a hybrid of RAID and LVM. I don't know if Synology NAS employs that or similar technology. Regards, - Robert On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > If I start with one 8TB drive in my Synology NAS, and later add > another and set them up as Raid 0, does the striping to Raid 0 mean > that the data on the existing drive gets wiped out? > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 07:58:00AM -0700, Dick Steffens wrote: > So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using? I use Mate version 1.16 from the EPEL repository. Mate is NOT officially supplied with Red Hat Enterprise Linux or the clone that I use, Scientific Linux. Red Hat pushes Gnome 3 pretty strongly, which is more like a video game than a work environment, IMHO. Mate seems incomplete, but is a better approximation of the Gnome 2 work environment than anything else. Gnome 2 is no longer supportable, since the underlying GTK libraries and distros have evolved without backwards compatibility. No clue about which (if any?) distros feature Mate as their primary desktop environment. I worry about Mate's long term support; if the principal contributors find "real jobs" someday, I may be S.O.L. I imagine that's how Gnome 3 wandered off into the weeds. I send money to the Mate project sometimes. I hope that encourages persistence. If I had ten million dollars, I would hire Miguel de Icaza to lead a Gnome palace revolution. Then he would hire a team to make Mate into a bulletproof Gnome 4, while making Gnome 3 into the new Microsoft desktop, sinking both. Keith P.S. If I had ten million dollars, I would need a hundred million dollars to do all the great projects I can imagine doing with ten million dollars. Sigh. -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures
On 04/03/17 10:40, John Jason Jordan wrote: > I am looking for a 2-bay USB enclosure, at least USB 3.0, with internal > software capable of Raid 0. I have been looking at the ICY DOCK MB662U3-2S: I would be leery of any USB RAID setup unless I knew with absolute certainty that the RAID format/metadata was well documented and portable. In other words, you need to be very certain that it is possible to remove the RAID disks from the enclosure and recover the data. If the RAID format is proprietary, you would be in trouble if the enclosure dies or the company goes belly up. galen -- Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Raid confusion
If I start with one 8TB drive in my Synology NAS, and later add another and set them up as Raid 0, does the striping to Raid 0 mean that the data on the existing drive gets wiped out? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] USB enclosures
I am looking for a 2-bay USB enclosure, at least USB 3.0, with internal software capable of Raid 0. I have been looking at the ICY DOCK MB662U3-2S: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198063 The MB662U3-2S can use drives up to 8TB, however Western Digital now offers 10TB drives (Gold only). I don't know if there are any USB enclosures currently available that will recognize 10TB drives, but maybe I shouldn't worry about that for now. Does anyone have experience with USB enclosures? Any recommendations? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
This machine I am using was a Free Geek machine, it had Linux Mint on it, I tried it and it was pretty good, but I had some issues after running it for a while, and I have been running Ubuntu Mate on a couple of laptops, on them it was VERY stable, I swapped out Marco for Compiz, installed VMware Player to run some VM's on them so I had pretty well given it a run. I replaced Mint with Ubuntu Mate, but must have left a few of the old .files because the desktop has some weirdness that I can not account for. I am getting ready to do a prevent- ative backup at which time I will blow away the old home directories and start wtih clean ones migrating my files back in, that way I will get rid of the weird- ness. I also installed it on a machine used at church to stream video. The Blackmagic video capture card took right off and ran. I did download the BM files, but most of the needed stuff was already in the install. That was nice to see because video CAPTURE at HD or HD+ can be a pain. The big thing is that it takes about 30 seconds for the card to be ready after the machine is up/running and logged into. Not sure why, assume that it takes a while for the system to provision the card and check it out, as if I try to start the video app right at login, it may fail. Now I just wait about 30 seconds after start up and start it. But Ubuntu Mate works great. I do need a mobo with more horsepower as when I am streaming it is using 50%+ of the CPU. On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > On 04/03/2017 09:26 AM, Chuck Hast wrote: > > I am using Ubuntu 16.04 Mate, but I replace Marco with Compiz because I > like > > (really like) my cube... Beyond that it is pretty tame and gives few > > problems. > > > > One thing is to make sure you purge ALL of the .files out of your home > > directory, > > otherwise you may see some funnies. Back them up somewhere and then ins- > > tall, then replace the ones you need for particular apps, if you are > moving > > from > > either Mate distro or Ubuntu some of those old .files will cause some > > strange > > stuff. > > The way I do it, I'll start with a complete install, so all the .files > will be stock. Then I'll copy the .files from my current desktop over to > the new one, and do the same as I add programs that aren't automatically > included. Thanks for the reminder. > > > I use apt and Synaptic all of the time, after I do an install the first > > thing I do is > > install Synaptic if it has not been done by the install. > > Glad to know. I'll give it a try when I can set aside the time. > > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
On 04/03/2017 09:58 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > [SNIP preamble] > So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using? > I see > a list at https://mate-desktop.org/ that includes Linux Mint, which I > know about, and also Ubuntu MATE, which I wasn't aware of. I'm happy > with the Debian approach to software installation, such as apt and > Synaptic, and would just as soon stay with those. What version(s) do > any of you use that you're happy with? > I use Debian Jessie with "Package: mate-desktop-environment (1.8.0+9)" see https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mate-desktop-environment . One who likes to say "He lives out past Estacada, even" referred me to Ubuntu. I found that to not be a comfortable fit and went with Debian Squeeze (uses Gnome2). When Wheezy came out it defaulted to the !$!%$# known as Gnome3. That abortion caused me to not upgrade until Squeeze which made MATE available. The version I run has some known documentation issues which reportedly been addressed in the next Debian release. Operationally there have been no problems. All other desktops should surrender. Who *ME* opinionated. "Owl" ducks fer cover ;/ GO fer it ;/ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
On 04/03/2017 09:26 AM, Chuck Hast wrote: > I am using Ubuntu 16.04 Mate, but I replace Marco with Compiz because I like > (really like) my cube... Beyond that it is pretty tame and gives few > problems. > > One thing is to make sure you purge ALL of the .files out of your home > directory, > otherwise you may see some funnies. Back them up somewhere and then ins- > tall, then replace the ones you need for particular apps, if you are moving > from > either Mate distro or Ubuntu some of those old .files will cause some > strange > stuff. The way I do it, I'll start with a complete install, so all the .files will be stock. Then I'll copy the .files from my current desktop over to the new one, and do the same as I add programs that aren't automatically included. Thanks for the reminder. > I use apt and Synaptic all of the time, after I do an install the first > thing I do is > install Synaptic if it has not been done by the install. Glad to know. I'll give it a try when I can set aside the time. Thanks. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
I am using Ubuntu 16.04 Mate, but I replace Marco with Compiz because I like (really like) my cube... Beyond that it is pretty tame and gives few problems. One thing is to make sure you purge ALL of the .files out of your home directory, otherwise you may see some funnies. Back them up somewhere and then ins- tall, then replace the ones you need for particular apps, if you are moving from either Mate distro or Ubuntu some of those old .files will cause some strange stuff. I use apt and Synaptic all of the time, after I do an install the first thing I do is install Synaptic if it has not been done by the install. On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > I've been running Ubuntu 14 on my desktop machine, and 16 on a laptop. I > tried using Unity, but couldn't get into it, so I run Gnome fallback. > While vaguely aware of it, I hadn't thought of using MATE, although I > think I have that in stalled on an old (2006) laptop that won't run > newer software. Linux Mint provided a version that still works with my > old hardware. Anyway, I have a new desktop machine that I haven't > finished setting up (for several months). I started it out on Ubuntu 16 > with Gnome fallback, but found a number of things wouldn't install > without fiddling, which I haven't had time to do. I'm looking at having > some time in the next couple of months, and will probably start over > with some version of MATE. I started researching it yesterday and > discovered I'm mispronouncing MATE as mate (like a ship's mate). Now I > understand it's pronounced mah-tay, which is a South American plant used > to make a tea. > > So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using? I see > a list at https://mate-desktop.org/ that includes Linux Mint, which I > know about, and also Ubuntu MATE, which I wasn't aware of. I'm happy > with the Debian approach to software installation, such as apt and > Synaptic, and would just as soon stay with those. What version(s) do any > of you use that you're happy with? > > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?
I've been running Ubuntu 14 on my desktop machine, and 16 on a laptop. I tried using Unity, but couldn't get into it, so I run Gnome fallback. While vaguely aware of it, I hadn't thought of using MATE, although I think I have that in stalled on an old (2006) laptop that won't run newer software. Linux Mint provided a version that still works with my old hardware. Anyway, I have a new desktop machine that I haven't finished setting up (for several months). I started it out on Ubuntu 16 with Gnome fallback, but found a number of things wouldn't install without fiddling, which I haven't had time to do. I'm looking at having some time in the next couple of months, and will probably start over with some version of MATE. I started researching it yesterday and discovered I'm mispronouncing MATE as mate (like a ship's mate). Now I understand it's pronounced mah-tay, which is a South American plant used to make a tea. So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using? I see a list at https://mate-desktop.org/ that includes Linux Mint, which I know about, and also Ubuntu MATE, which I wasn't aware of. I'm happy with the Debian approach to software installation, such as apt and Synaptic, and would just as soon stay with those. What version(s) do any of you use that you're happy with? Thanks. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Finding appropriate USENET group or mailing list?
Richard,
A Google search of "Wordpress Debian" brings up a Wiki with detailed
instructions for installing Wordpress on Debian. So, there are Debian
packages for Wordpress and detailed instructions for installing it.
Checking the links at the bottom of the page took me to the Wordpress site,
and the Support link took me to the support forum in the form of a
Wordpress blog.not surprising, since the folks offering support are all
Wordpress junkies (not meant to be disparaging to that group). Since the
support offered is free, those who offer support have the right to choose
how they provide support. You could ask the Wordpress support forum if
there is a USENET group. However, their support forum seems easy enough to
use in a browser, so this forum appears to be your best avenue to get help.
I would assume you can set up your Wordpress account to get email
notification of answers to your questions if you don't want to be bothered
with checking the forum on a regular basis. There is also an IRC channel
for support for Wordpress, if you have the patience for that form of
communication...;)
Googling "list of usenet groups" took me to Harley's page (first entry in
the search) - (http://www.harley.com/usenet/master-list/): "Welcome to
Harley Hahn's Master List of Usenet Newsgroups, the only annotated master
list of Usenet newsgroups on the Internet." Again, I have no idea who
Harley is or if his claim is true, but using the search box on his site
returns the result that there are no newsgroups using the keyword
"Wordpress".
Googling "Wordpress USENET" returns lots of posts about why a Wordpress
blog cannot be shoe-horned into a USENET format. I have no comment on the
veracity of these arguments, but given the volume of negative comments
about a possible plugin for converting a Wordpress blog into a USENET
format from Wordpress enthusiasts, I would conclude that you probably won't
find a USENET support group for Wordpress.
My real point is to say that Google can be very effective in finding the
answer to any question as long as the question is phrased properly.
Complicated questions such as yours need to be broken down into smaller
"sub-queries" in order to arrive at a meaningful answer to the complicated
question. It is an iterative process that can only be accomplished by
humans todayand maybe (probably?) AI tomorrow.
Mark
PS I am a little confused about why you are interested in Wordpress on
Debian given your statement "I avoid blogs and web based support groups".
It is none of my business, but Wordpress is one of the most used blogging
software applications on the planet..
On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/02/2017 02:52 PM, Tom wrote:
> > ... you need to be able to express what you
> > are looking for and - do efficiently in one simple sentence ...
>
> For what USENET group or traditional mailing list would "using WordPress
> on a Linux system {preferably Debian}" be considered on-topic?
>
> Search engines can't handle that type of question.
> The emerging answer is that no one on this list knows of such a beast.
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