Re: [PLUG] GIMP question

[Nat Taylor]

Select the Layer, go into the layer, with the Text tool selected, right
click on the text itself then edit it.  Sorry about the partial above, damn
touchpad.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 9:00 AM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> Select the layer, go into the lay
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 8:55 AM Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> This workstation is running gimp-2.8.18 (the most current version
>> supported
>> by this OS version.)
>>
>> I want to edit a text layer and find that what should work doesn't. In the
>> layers box I select the one with the text to be edited and right-click on
>> it. The layer menu pops up and the second item is 'Edit layer attributes.'
>>
>> Clicking on that shows the layer name; I assumed that was the text in the
>> layer, but apparently that's not the case. When I change the layer name
>> the
>> text on the image remains the same. The enclosing layer has only the name,
>> too.
>>
>> There's a tutorial for this on the web which is what I followed; it's for
>> the current version. The tutorial points to a Layer properties item, not
>> Edit layer attributes, so it didn't help me.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Rich
>>
>

Re: [PLUG] GIMP question

[Nat Taylor]

Select the layer, go into the lay

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 8:55 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> This workstation is running gimp-2.8.18 (the most current version supported
> by this OS version.)
>
> I want to edit a text layer and find that what should work doesn't. In the
> layers box I select the one with the text to be edited and right-click on
> it. The layer menu pops up and the second item is 'Edit layer attributes.'
>
> Clicking on that shows the layer name; I assumed that was the text in the
> layer, but apparently that's not the case. When I change the layer name the
> text on the image remains the same. The enclosing layer has only the name,
> too.
>
> There's a tutorial for this on the web which is what I followed; it's for
> the current version. The tutorial points to a Layer properties item, not
> Edit layer attributes, so it didn't help me.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Rich
>

Re: [PLUG] - attack on sshd via xz => More XZ Libs malware info

[Nat Taylor]

Looks like there is no xz-utils in Arch, and it's not installed by default
in Pop_OS, FWIW...

On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 2:24 PM Ted Mittelstaedt 
wrote:

> I also appreciate the heads-up on this as I literally do have better
> things to do than spend an hour every day reviewing security exploit
> mailing lists. 
>
> Coming from a FreeBSD background this is why I have never liked the "yum
> install" and apt-get" things that the Linux userbase take for granted.
> Under FreeBSD you have ports and you install Unix software the way God
> intended Unix software to be installed, "make install"
> Then you actually get CHOICES on how to build.  Why does xz need to run
> the test sets anyway during building?  How stupid!  90% of what it's being
> built on ix s86 it's going to result in the same binary.
>
> Note that this has happened before:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/853717/
>
> The most troubling aspect is that there's too little supervision of
> changes in projects.
>
> Ted
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PLUG  On Behalf Of MC_Sequoia
> Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 3:21 PM
> To: Portland Linux/Unix Group 
> Subject: Re: [PLUG] - attack on sshd via xz => More XZ Libs malware info
>
> Firstly, thank you for making me aware of this!
>
> "It also helps that it really only made it to the public through Debian
> unstable and testing."
>
> According to this article,
> https://thenewstack.io/malicious-code-in-linux-xz-libraries-endangers-ssh/,
> xz is a "core Linux compression utility". I wasn't aware.
>
> So any unstable/testing distro is vulnerable. "Red Hat was first to break
> the news of the boobytrap."
>
> Here's the pkg & version info for those who want to do a quick system
> check.
>
> Package: xz-utils
> Version: 5.6.1+really5.4.5-1
>
> Refer to full Debian bug report =>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1068024_source=the+new+stack_medium=referral_content=inline-mention_campaign=tns+platform
>
> The most troubling aspect of this malware is this:
>
> "I count a minimum of 750 commits or contributions to xz by Jia Tan, who
> backdoored it.
>
> This includes all 700 commits made after they merged a pull request in Jan
> 2023, at which point they appear to have already had direct push access,
> which would have also let them push commits with forged authors. Probably a
> number of other commits before that point as well."
>
> So there might be more malware lurking and there might be more security
> fallout.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [PLUG] Wireless ghosts in the machine

[Nat Taylor]

Physically removed the wifi card?  I can't remember the last machine that
had a pci card slot!  Or is it some internal stuff?  I am using a usb
dongle on my Thinkpad X220 though...


On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 9:07 PM MC_Sequoia  wrote:

> Just sharing this as this was a fairly rare problem that required a manual
> hardware intervention.
>
> After powering down my laptop, the wifi interface wouldn't come up. I
> found it to be hardware blocked in rfkill, presumably by the wifi button.
> However, when I pressed & released the wifi button, rfkill would show that
> software block change from yes to no. Which doesn't make any sense.
>
> I also went into the BIOS and disabled the WLAN button, but I still
> couldn't disable the hardware block
>
> After some Googlin' around, a find a forum thread in which someone else
> who had the same problem, physically removed the wifi card, cold booted,
> reinstalled it, cold booted and viola, the wifi interface was unblocked and
> working.
>
> I did this and it worked like a charm.
>
> Maybe this saves someone a few hours of grief some day.
>
> HP Elitebook running Debian 12 Bullseye.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Nat Taylor]

are there guest additions for windows in virtualbox?


On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> The saga continues---
> (The subject should be NOT printing from VB)
>
> It was suggested that in installing the printer from the Win2k guest I
> should give the port name of 9100.  Did not help.  (Note that this is the
> name, not the number.  The number has on all recent attempts  been 9100.)
>
> I have stumbled on a list of messages in a file accessed through control
> panel/administrative tools/computer management/system tools/event
> viewer/system  Here is one that might mean something to those skilled in
> the art.  I was asked what the error message was.  This is all the detail I
> have been able to come up with.
>
> 11/3/2017 9:13:15
> Printer hp deskjet 990c series was created.
>
> 11/3/2017 10:28:43
> The document Test Page owned by Administrator failed to print. Win32 error
> code returned by the print processor: 3003 (0xbbb).
>
> Whenever I attempt to print I see this identical error, whether a test page
> or document.
>
> Note that I can ping the printer from the guest, so that hints to me that
> the issue is the installation of the printer in windows, not in the
> network.  I have lost track of how many times I have deleted the printer
> and reinstalled.  Note that this driver works from the windows2000 guest on
> my desktop. I also note that the printer worked before changing the desktop
> and the router, although I have had issues in the distant past, details of
> which my foggy head cannot recall.
>
> Is changing to NAT still a thing worth trying?
>
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Re: [PLUG] Resolved: Virtual Box or VMware?

[Nat Taylor]

Did you install the virtualbox extras in the vm?

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On 11/03/2017 08:46 AM, Dick Steffens wrote:
> > What are folks preferences for Virtual Box over VMware?
>
> I appreciate the recommendations regarding using KVM/qemu, and one day
> I'll give it a try. However, I remember I went through a lot of effort
> getting Windows 7 working with my USB footpedal. So, to avoid having to
> go through that again, I tried one more search and found the answer to
> my poor audio problem.
>
> I did a Google search for "virtualbox poor sound" (without the quotes)
> and found a reference to selecting the right audio host driver and
> controller in the virtual machine. The host driver was okay, but the
> audio controller was Intel HD Audio. On my other machine, the audio
> controller was ICH AC97, which is what was recommended on
> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1041743. I changed the Audio
> Controller setting to ICH AC97 and restarted the virtual machine. When
> it came up it had no audio device.
>
> More searching led me to download and install the Realtek driver for
> Windows 7. Once that was done and the virtual machine rebooted, the
> sound was nice and clear.
>
> Thanks again for the KVM/qemu recommendations. Some day, I'll give it a
> try, but fixing what was broke took much less time than I expect
> starting over with a new virtual environment would.
>
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Re: [PLUG] ThinkPads for sale

[Nat Taylor]

Still in the market for one if left, also.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Bill Weiss 
wrote:

> What are the screens on the X220s like? I have one that's got a flaky
> screen. IIRC there are a couple of different options there.
>
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Re: [PLUG] ThinkPads for sale

[Nat Taylor]

is a 4gb avail then?

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Russell Senior <russ...@personaltelco.net>
wrote:

> I don't know who has priority, but I asked at 7am today for the second one
> :-)
>
> Russell
>
> On Oct 21, 2017 12:44 PM, "King Beowulf" <kingbeow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nat, I just emailed Michael to pick up the pair.
> >
> > -Ed
> >
> > On 10/21/2017 11:27 AM, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > > Still got an 8GB one?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael Dexter <dex...@ambidexter.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 10/20/17 9:24 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > >>> Thanks for the list.
> > >>
> > >> Should anyone else be interested:
> > >>
> > >> Lenovo ThinkCentre M91P Desktop PC Quad Core i5 2.5GHz
> > >> i5-2400S 2.5GHz
> > >> 8GB RAM
> > >> External power supply
> > >> DVD Drive
> > >> 1 Internal 3.5" bay
> > >>
> > >> If I recall correctly, an Intel DQ67EP motherboard
> > >> I believe this case with a black front panel:
> > >> http://www.idotpc.com/thestore/pc/ITS-2814F-Front-
> > >> Hot-Swappable-Half-2U-Case-Bare-bone-Unit-151p645.htm
> > >> i52400S 2.5GHz
> > >> 16GB RAM but I can reduce it if you like
> > >> DVD Drive
> > >> Two hot-swappable front 3.5" bays
> > >>
> > >> No disks but I can offer them if so desired.
> > >>
> > >> Both are quite quiet.
> > >>
> > >> $150 each OBO
> > >>
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Re: [PLUG] ThinkPads for sale

[Nat Taylor]

Still got an 8GB one?

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael Dexter 
wrote:

> On 10/20/17 9:24 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > Thanks for the list.
>
> Should anyone else be interested:
>
> Lenovo ThinkCentre M91P Desktop PC Quad Core i5 2.5GHz
> i5-2400S 2.5GHz
> 8GB RAM
> External power supply
> DVD Drive
> 1 Internal 3.5" bay
>
> If I recall correctly, an Intel DQ67EP motherboard
> I believe this case with a black front panel:
> http://www.idotpc.com/thestore/pc/ITS-2814F-Front-
> Hot-Swappable-Half-2U-Case-Bare-bone-Unit-151p645.htm
> i52400S 2.5GHz
> 16GB RAM but I can reduce it if you like
> DVD Drive
> Two hot-swappable front 3.5" bays
>
> No disks but I can offer them if so desired.
>
> Both are quite quiet.
>
> $150 each OBO
>
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Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Snap?

[Nat Taylor]

(snappy rather?)

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> $ sudo apt-get install gimp
>
>
> that would be, or
>
>
>> # apt-get install gimp
>
>
> but that's being pedantic.
>
> I think the deal is Software Center suggesting snap perhaps?
> if you wanted to go about it from a gui, installing Synaptic and then
> installing gimp via Synaptic would do the trick
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:30 PM, c <cbpurc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, is there any reason you can't just install it using the regular
>>
>> #sudo apt-get install gimp
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Purcell
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
>> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I use ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop.  No mention of snap.  Setting up a new
>> > desktop I started with 16.04.3.  On trying to install Gimp I get a
>> screen
>> > which wants a sign-up to install snap.  My web searching tells me that
>> this
>> > is to allow updated programs to be installed on not-so-updated OS.  The
>> > downside is that it uses more disk space and sometimes more ram because
>> the
>> > dependencies are duplicated for each application.  No information
>> > quantifying this increase space demand.
>> >
>> > One commenter said he would use snap when he was sure there were no
>> issues
>> > and he felt the advantages were worth it to him.  But also no comment on
>> > how to NOT use snap.  I saw no way to install Gimp without creating an
>> > account with Ubuntu.  (This account-creation makes me leery.)
>> >
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Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Snap?

[Nat Taylor]

>
> $ sudo apt-get install gimp


that would be, or


> # apt-get install gimp


but that's being pedantic.

I think the deal is Software Center suggesting snap perhaps?
if you wanted to go about it from a gui, installing Synaptic and then
installing gimp via Synaptic would do the trick

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:30 PM, c  wrote:

> So, is there any reason you can't just install it using the regular
>
> #sudo apt-get install gimp
>
> ?
>
> Purcell
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Denis Heidtmann  >
> wrote:
>
> > I use ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop.  No mention of snap.  Setting up a new
> > desktop I started with 16.04.3.  On trying to install Gimp I get a screen
> > which wants a sign-up to install snap.  My web searching tells me that
> this
> > is to allow updated programs to be installed on not-so-updated OS.  The
> > downside is that it uses more disk space and sometimes more ram because
> the
> > dependencies are duplicated for each application.  No information
> > quantifying this increase space demand.
> >
> > One commenter said he would use snap when he was sure there were no
> issues
> > and he felt the advantages were worth it to him.  But also no comment on
> > how to NOT use snap.  I saw no way to install Gimp without creating an
> > account with Ubuntu.  (This account-creation makes me leery.)
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Clinic - Raspberry Pi

[Nat Taylor]

my wireless keyboard and mouse is the iPazzPort Wireless Mini Keyboard with
Touchpad for Android TV Box and Raspberry Pi 3 and HTPC KP-810-21S

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Those cases are sweet.  They don't appear to have one that holds the Pi
> and a 7" touchscreen though.
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By way folks, here is a commercial plug for a local (NW) company that
>> makes
>> great cases:
>>
>> C4 Labs
>> https://c4labs.net/
>>
>> If you need cases these folks probably have it and if they do not they
>> will
>> work
>> with you to come up with it. It is all made right here in the USA, no
>> Chinese
>> stuff.
>>
>> They even have 4 and 6 tower stacked cases (Bramble Box) for RPi Clusters.
>> They are located in Tacoma, WA. Great folks.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Dave <w7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > /.//..use a wireless keyboard and mouse.../
>> >
>> > What model combo are you using, Nat? I might be in the market.
>> >
>> > Same with your screen? I see all sorts of claims to be "official".
>> >
>> > -Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/11/2017 10:37 AM, Nat Taylor wrote:
>> > > I'm pretty well versed with the Pi.  Mine is in a little case with the
>> > > official 7" screen.  I use a 2 watt phone charger to power it
>> > > generally, and use a wireless keyboard and mouse that kinda looks like
>> > > a game controller..  I'd be happy to bring the keyboard and mouse if I
>> > > can make the PLUG meeting, never actually been to one, I just lurk
>> > > here on the mailing list.  I cant remember if the display I have
>> > > requires special drivers or not, I'd imagine not by now, since it's
>> > > official.  It might make sense to use a monitor more like the one you
>> > > plan on using?   But you could put your pi in my case with monitor, or
>> > > just put your SD card in my pi in my case
>> > >
>> > > This is the case: https://smarticase.com/products/smartipi-touch
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:44 AM, DAL <davidl...@comcast.net
>> > > <mailto:davidl...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I would like a little hands-on help and chat time with my new
>> > > Raspberry
>> > > Pi and wonder if there will be a plug and play workstation set up
>> > > at the
>> > > next Clinic so I can just slip it in a pocket and bring it along
>> > > without
>> > > hauling along the rest. Thanks.
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Re: [PLUG] Clinic - Raspberry Pi

[Nat Taylor]

Those cases are sweet.  They don't appear to have one that holds the Pi and
a 7" touchscreen though.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> By way folks, here is a commercial plug for a local (NW) company that makes
> great cases:
>
> C4 Labs
> https://c4labs.net/
>
> If you need cases these folks probably have it and if they do not they will
> work
> with you to come up with it. It is all made right here in the USA, no
> Chinese
> stuff.
>
> They even have 4 and 6 tower stacked cases (Bramble Box) for RPi Clusters.
> They are located in Tacoma, WA. Great folks.
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Dave <w7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > /.//..use a wireless keyboard and mouse.../
> >
> > What model combo are you using, Nat? I might be in the market.
> >
> > Same with your screen? I see all sorts of claims to be "official".
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/11/2017 10:37 AM, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > > I'm pretty well versed with the Pi.  Mine is in a little case with the
> > > official 7" screen.  I use a 2 watt phone charger to power it
> > > generally, and use a wireless keyboard and mouse that kinda looks like
> > > a game controller..  I'd be happy to bring the keyboard and mouse if I
> > > can make the PLUG meeting, never actually been to one, I just lurk
> > > here on the mailing list.  I cant remember if the display I have
> > > requires special drivers or not, I'd imagine not by now, since it's
> > > official.  It might make sense to use a monitor more like the one you
> > > plan on using?   But you could put your pi in my case with monitor, or
> > > just put your SD card in my pi in my case
> > >
> > > This is the case: https://smarticase.com/products/smartipi-touch
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:44 AM, DAL <davidl...@comcast.net
> > > <mailto:davidl...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would like a little hands-on help and chat time with my new
> > > Raspberry
> > > Pi and wonder if there will be a plug and play workstation set up
> > > at the
> > > next Clinic so I can just slip it in a pocket and bring it along
> > > without
> > > hauling along the rest. Thanks.
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Re: [PLUG] Clinic - Raspberry Pi

[Nat Taylor]

I'm pretty well versed with the Pi.  Mine is in a little case with the
official 7" screen.  I use a 2 watt phone charger to power it
generally, and use a wireless keyboard and mouse that kinda looks like a
game controller..  I'd be happy to bring the keyboard and mouse if I can
make the PLUG meeting, never actually been to one, I just lurk here on the
mailing list.  I cant remember if the display I have requires special
drivers or not, I'd imagine not by now, since it's official.  It might make
sense to use a monitor more like the one you plan on using?   But you could
put your pi in my case with monitor, or just put your SD card in my pi in
my case

This is the case: https://smarticase.com/products/smartipi-touch

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:44 AM, DAL  wrote:

> I would like a little hands-on help and chat time with my new Raspberry
> Pi and wonder if there will be a plug and play workstation set up at the
> next Clinic so I can just slip it in a pocket and bring it along without
> hauling along the rest. Thanks.
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Re: [PLUG] Thoughts on Linux Distros & Desktop Enviro

[Nat Taylor]

I have the deepin desktop environment installed on my Arch linux machine.
Currently I'm only using the bootloader to load XFCE, as it works better
for me, and I didn't get around to switching it.
But it definitely looks nice, and I may be missing something...

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:09 PM, EJ Finneran  wrote:

> They link to a Google Drive link below the main link. The Google Drive link
> worked great for me.
>
> https://www.deepin.org/en/download
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6tQiyXN9eI9a01mX3ZZT2tXVlk?
> usp=sharing
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:29:44 -0700
> > "Mike C."  dijo:
> >
> > >Last year I cam across Deepin. It's a Debian based distro w. their own
> > >Desktop Enviro. And not only do all the lil' things work as you would
> > >expect like w. a MS Win or MAC OS, it works well, is beautiful and
> > >fast/fluid. Rolling updates are quick & painless.
> >
> > This sounded interesting so I asked Mr. Google to come up with a live
> > ISO for me. Indeed, he did, but it is 2.6 GB and I couldn't get the
> > server to send it to me faster than 20K/sec. I looked all over for
> > torrents, but none to be found. For now I have given up.
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Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade

[Nat Taylor]

Stop mirroring for a sec and upgrade or fresh install on one.  Honestly, if
you don't have a lot of foreign packages and you use the upgrade tool it
should go smooth.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:49 PM Mark Phillips <m...@phillipsmarketing.biz>
wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Happy to hear the problem with the upgrade was just a cable!
>
> I am running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on a System 76 Gazellle (great machine!) and
> have been contemplating upgrading to 16.xx. However, I am concerned that it
> will be a giant headache. I can't take this machine out of service to fix a
> ton of upgrade problems.
>
> Any suggestions on the best way to upgrade? I have two SSDs in the machine
> now, mirror images of each other. I would hate to have to buy two more SSDs
> and suffer through the setup process
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Michael Barnes <barnmich...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Red face. Turns out I had a bad Ethernet cable. It was working fine, but
> > after I moved the computer while installing the new hard drive, it quit
> > working. All fine now. Thanks for everyone's comments.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:33 AM, wes <p...@the-wes.com> wrote:
> >
> > > well, I don't have any more ideas for you right now, but if you don't
> get
> > > it figured out by this weekend, the PLUG Clinic is this Sunday, 1-5pm.
> > >
> > > 1731 SE 10th Ave, 97214.
> > >
> > > -wes
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Michael Barnes <
> barnmich...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It also looks like it is not using IPV4, only IPV6. Strange.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Michael Barnes <
> > barnmich...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > More info seems to lead to more questions. Apparently this has
> > > something
> > > > > to do with systemd. I guess this is a new (to me) thing and it
> > changes
> > > > the
> > > > > way stuff is named. So, what used to be eth0 is now enp3s0. But,
> > trying
> > > > the
> > > > > usual network commands with that don't work either.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, wes <p...@the-wes.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci
> > output,
> > > > and
> > > > >> the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's
> > > > posted
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> guide.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -wes
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes <
> > > barnmich...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only
> took a
> > > few
> > > > >> > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow,
> so
> > > far,
> > > > >> no
> > > > >> > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please
> > > > forgive
> > > > >> > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0.
> Using
> > > > >> lspci, I
> > > > >> > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but
> under
> > > > >> > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does
> not
> > > > show
> > > > >> > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get
> > > > "Unknown
> > > > >> > interface eth0."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed
> of
> > > the
> > > > >> > install. I wonder what else will not be working?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks for your comments,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Michael
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes <
> > > > barnmich...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > >

Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade

[Nat Taylor]

instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to automagically
configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* and a *sudo
apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade*
Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?)
-- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and do you
need to reenable it?
Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, or did you
use the tool in the Software Center, or did you do-release-upgrade from the
command line?

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes 
wrote:

> Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done that.
> Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've forgotten
> more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll have to
> compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two versions.
> Just have to remember how to do all that.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig 
> wrote:
>
> > Michael
> > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most likely
> > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. This is
> > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary hardware
> > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the command
> line
> > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits.  I'm not sure it Ubuntu switched
> to
> > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that.  Remember to read the
> > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade"
> >
> > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly work.
> > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" fixes.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. Everything
> came
> > up
> > >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is out
> > dated
> > >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, so I
> > know at
> > >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen
> choose
> > >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from
> remote
> > >> session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power off.
> > >
> > > Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the advice
> of
> > > others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move from one
> > > Ubuntu release to another, but should start with a fresh install. I
> have
> > > gone from Ubuntu 10 to 12 to 14, and am slowly moving to 16. Each time
> I
> > > had the luxury of being able to at least put in a fresh hard drive for
> > > the new version, and then mount the old hard drive to be able to copy
> > > files as needed. I don't think any of the episodes has been painless,
> > > since it seems there's always something big that changes so that it
> > > doesn't work the way it did in the previous version, but I have always
> > > been able to get past it, often with the help of folks on this list.
> > >
> > > So, in your case, I'd recommend using Grub to boot to your previous
> > > version, find a way to back up all your important files, and install 16
> > > from scratch. Better would be to have two machines, but not everyone
> has
> > > that luxury. I'm happy that I do have that option this time, because
> > > there are a handful of things I have yet to be able to figure out how
> to
> > > do in 16 that I need on at least a weekly basis, if not a daily one.
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > > Dick Steffens
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Re: [PLUG] WD 4TB Red drive failure...

[Nat Taylor]

I don't think ssds last longer than regular drives.  You would be better
off setting up RAID, with 3x 2TB (or 4TB) drives for every 2TB (or 4) of
data, using either RAID 4 or RAID 5.  An external NAS RAID enclosure might
be the way to go.  I haven't done this, but I should.

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017, Keith Lofstrom  wrote:

> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 12:16:28AM -0700, Michael Christopher Robinson
> wrote:
> > I suspect that my two Western Digital 4TB Red drives are only 3-4
> > years old.  I'm running FreeNAS 9.10 U3.  I'm getting an error
> > finding the ZFS filesystem that is striped across the two drives.
> > Thought maybe I had done a mirror, no such luck.  I suppose I can
> > take these drives to someone who can do some tests to find out if
> > one or both of them have gone bad.  Can they be repaired?  How
> > about the data on them?
>
> Any data that you do not have two copies of, you have zero
> copies of.  Backups.  http://dirvish.org
>
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Re: [PLUG] Backup RPi SD card

[Nat Taylor]

I use something like that second battery to power my pi, it's just a cell
phone charger, I'm not sure what running it while plugged in does to it's
life.   One could put it on a timer so the power cuts, it drains the
battery for a while, then charges back up if that was advantageous for
battery life...

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:39 AM Tom  wrote:

> There are probably other USB power banks which can be charged and
> discharged together. Here are two examples:
> https://www.amazon.com/TeckNet-Universal-16750mAh-Output-PowerZen/dp/B0
> 0FAU7ZB2/ref=pd_cp_107_1?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B00FAU7ZB2_rd_r=0JMM
> HXMXK7RYWY9K361K_rd_w=712hM_rd_wg=6mOCV=1=0JMMHXMXK7RY
> WY9K361K
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/PowerTitan-19200mAh3-Port-Portable-External-Tech
> nology/dp/B01B534D4Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless=5713662011=UTF8=1
> 491729627=1-1
> 
> Based on recommendation from this guy:
> http://raspi-ups.appspot.com/en/index.jsp He used older model which is
> no longer available.
> I wonder how smart is the circuit in avoiding the charge/discharge
> battery cycles when the power is on - it relates to the battery life.
> Tomas
> On Sat, 2017-04-08 at 18:57 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Tom 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > dd nor rsync alone will not be able to do full backup of running
> > > computer (RPi).
> > >
> >
> > That was what I figured, just wanted to make sure.
> >
> >
> > > The best course of action is to separate the OS from your data -
> > > whatever your RPi is normally writing - then backup each
> > > separately.
> > >   * When you separate the data, you could even store it off the RPi
> > > avoiding need for local data backups on RPi altogether.
> > >
> >
> > The drive has two partitions on it /boot and /.  /boot is a vfat, the
> > rest
> > of
> > it is ext4. I supposed that I could stop the service (weather data
> > capture)
> > back up the files that are critical to the weather station.After the
> > back up
> > is done start the service again. Maybe store them on a jump drive and
> > after the station service is back up and running ship them off to the
> > location
> > I will keep the back ups in. I figure that I could do the back up in
> > the wee
> > hours of the morning.
> >
> >
> > >   * If you want to keep the data on RPi, you could back it up by
> > > rsync
> > > to separate media (USB) or a network storage
> > >   * You cannot back up the OS while you are using it - that is why
> > > this
> > > is normally done on a separate computer. It is easier and faster
> > > than
> > > booting your RPi from USB or network and then doing the backup.
> > >   * Perhaps the OS does not need to be backed up often or not at
> > > all as
> > > you could simply create separate OS image, even on another SD card
> > > attached to your Pi.
> > >
> >
> > All I really need for recovery is the WeeWx db file, WeeWx config
> > file,
> > skins
> > file and the nginx configuration. I could actually keep a separate
> > image and
> > just insert the latest files and quickly swap out the bad SD card.
> > That
> > should
> > take care of it.
> >
> > I should be able to automate the OS configuration, so that I just run
> > a
> > script
> > it looks for the SD card, installs the OS makes sure that the
> > parameters
> > that
> > I set manually on installation are set correctly, probably can
> > automate the
> > whole process.
> >
> >   * Your backup target/media could be another SD card connected to
> > RPi
> > > in a SD card reader, that way you could just swap the cards 
> > > Thinking outside of a box - perhaps you need little UPS for your Pi
> > > to
> > > avoid regular data corruption altogether. There are some USB
> > > charging
> > > batteries which can be charged and used both at the same time (most
> > > can
> > > be either charged or used, not both).  Modest battery could keep
> > > your
> > > Pi running for hours.
> > >
> >
> > I have been looking for a battery pack that will allow me to let it
> > float
> > on the
> > powersupply until power goes away, then it takes over. So far all of
> > them
> > that
> > I have looked at will not switch between charge/float/discharge. I
> > have seen
> > a couple that plug into the pin field on the RPi, but I am trying to
> > keep
> > the
> > case clean. I have built up a power supply with a battery on it, and
> > a heavy
> > duty USB dual port power cartridge that supplies the power I need for
> > the
> > RPi and the WX station console. It is kind of big, I am certainly
> > looking
> > for
> > one of the power pack batteries that does not care if it is being
> > charged 

Re: [PLUG] New vim highlight problem

[Nat Taylor]

Check your .vimrc , check out the contents of ~.vim, look into vundle or
pathogen
I haven't tried neovim.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017, Paul Heinlein  wrote:

> This is new and odd.
>
> I do almost all text editing in vim, typically in color-capable
> iTerm2 windows on my Mac. As far as I know, the system vim
> installation hasn't been updated or altered in any way for quite some
> time, perhaps since the OS was installed two years ago.
>
> In the past couple days, however, I've seen a new thing. Regardless of
> the 'filetype' or 'syntax' setting of the editing window (e.g.,
> dosini, perl, puppet, sh), I'm getting stray highlighting on strings
> that match this regex:
>
>=.*$
>
> It'll match the first equal sign in the string and continue to the end
> of the line.
>
> Worst of all is that the highlighted block shows up with a yellow
> background and dark gray text, meaning it's obnoxious in addition to
> unwanted.
>
> The effect is limited to vim, but it's not limited to iTerm2; the
> Apple Terminal app shows the same symptoms. If I ssh in the same
> terminal window to another host and run vim remotely, I don't see the
> same problem. I've logged out and rebooted and the problem has
> persisted.
>
> Any ideas as to the culprit?
>
> Anyone wishing to suggest emacs or another editor as a solution can
> send replies to root@localhost. :-)
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Nat Taylor]

Nobody downloaded it.   I'll leave it up for a while, or try it out
yourself then, was an easy install, except for a couple bugs if you
selected the wrong options.  https://arch-anywhere.org/

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Arch Anywhere XFCE pretty much looked identical to their OpenBox, but
> used 192M of memory
>
> I don't feel like exporting an appliance, but if you try, you need to
> install the ARch anywhere Repository this time.
> I also did an arch-anywhere -u first
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is a link to an .ova Virtualbox Appliance that is an Arch Linux
>> installation created by Arch-Anywhere
>> that has the following desktops installed:
>> Budgie
>> Cinnamon
>> LXDE
>> Mate
>> Openbox
>>
>> (The menu says there's gnome options but they dont work, I didn't install
>> gnome.  I tried to install the Arch-Anywere custom XFCE, but it didn't
>> install for some reason, maybe I need to select XFCE from the menu too.
>> The install was fairly quick an painless, although it should be noted that
>> the Arch Anywhere installer crashes if you select the Arch Anywhere
>> Repository from the Additional Software menu; it says its already in the
>> database but doesn't install.  IT also crashed if you selected (one of,
>> probably the later) gnome group and/or gtk3(Experimental). Everything is
>> already installed here so don't worry about it unless you're trying to
>> replicate this)
>>
>> It uses Lightdm for the Display Manger, and you can select the Desktop
>> Enviroment by clicking on the little icon on the top right of the screen,
>> on the left side of the little line of icons.
>>
>> The username is dude
>> the password is AbitaAbider22@
>> the root password is dugPLUGwhatalug!
>>
>> If you're paranoid I got sneaky and hid some evil stuff in there, disable
>> the networking through Virtualbox, but I don't have the time or desire to
>> do so, and besides, I imagine this is the wrong list to mess with...
>>
>> The custom Arch Anywhere OpenBox is very Haxxor... I actually kinda like
>> it, but Htop says its not quite as fast as LXDE
>> Budgie used the most memory, followed by Cinnamon (which said it would be
>> faster if it wasn't running in frame buffer due to video drivers), followed
>> by Mate, then, OpenBox, the LXDE
>>
>> Mate (246M) felt the most familiar, due to past gnome2 use.  LXDE (162M)
>> was lightning fast and it looked good, and I might be able to get used to
>> that l33t Arch Anywhere OpenBox(174M)...
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure if it's fair to just logout and start a new desktop
>> environment, but thats what I did, and the results seemed consistent...
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Mw4QXQzulid1BsWEVfbFVieHc
>> /view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >   I do like it
>>> > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker?  i forget), which
>>> I
>>> > have seen on both distros.
>>> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Is this what you are thinking about:
>>> http://glx-dock.org/
>>> It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac
>>> stuff too. Very
>>> configurable.
>>>
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Nat Taylor]

The Arch Anywhere XFCE pretty much looked identical to their OpenBox, but
used 192M of memory

I don't feel like exporting an appliance, but if you try, you need to
install the ARch anywhere Repository this time.
I also did an arch-anywhere -u first



On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a link to an .ova Virtualbox Appliance that is an Arch Linux
> installation created by Arch-Anywhere
> that has the following desktops installed:
> Budgie
> Cinnamon
> LXDE
> Mate
> Openbox
>
> (The menu says there's gnome options but they dont work, I didn't install
> gnome.  I tried to install the Arch-Anywere custom XFCE, but it didn't
> install for some reason, maybe I need to select XFCE from the menu too.
> The install was fairly quick an painless, although it should be noted that
> the Arch Anywhere installer crashes if you select the Arch Anywhere
> Repository from the Additional Software menu; it says its already in the
> database but doesn't install.  IT also crashed if you selected (one of,
> probably the later) gnome group and/or gtk3(Experimental). Everything is
> already installed here so don't worry about it unless you're trying to
> replicate this)
>
> It uses Lightdm for the Display Manger, and you can select the Desktop
> Enviroment by clicking on the little icon on the top right of the screen,
> on the left side of the little line of icons.
>
> The username is dude
> the password is AbitaAbider22@
> the root password is dugPLUGwhatalug!
>
> If you're paranoid I got sneaky and hid some evil stuff in there, disable
> the networking through Virtualbox, but I don't have the time or desire to
> do so, and besides, I imagine this is the wrong list to mess with...
>
> The custom Arch Anywhere OpenBox is very Haxxor... I actually kinda like
> it, but Htop says its not quite as fast as LXDE
> Budgie used the most memory, followed by Cinnamon (which said it would be
> faster if it wasn't running in frame buffer due to video drivers), followed
> by Mate, then, OpenBox, the LXDE
>
> Mate (246M) felt the most familiar, due to past gnome2 use.  LXDE (162M)
> was lightning fast and it looked good, and I might be able to get used to
> that l33t Arch Anywhere OpenBox(174M)...
>
>
> I'm not sure if it's fair to just logout and start a new desktop
> environment, but thats what I did, and the results seemed consistent...
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Mw4QXQzulid1BsWEVfbFVieHc/
> view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >   I do like it
>> > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker?  i forget), which I
>> > have seen on both distros.
>> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Is this what you are thinking about:
>> http://glx-dock.org/
>> It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac
>> stuff too. Very
>> configurable.
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Nat Taylor]

Here is a link to an .ova Virtualbox Appliance that is an Arch Linux
installation created by Arch-Anywhere
that has the following desktops installed:
Budgie
Cinnamon
LXDE
Mate
Openbox

(The menu says there's gnome options but they dont work, I didn't install
gnome.  I tried to install the Arch-Anywere custom XFCE, but it didn't
install for some reason, maybe I need to select XFCE from the menu too.
The install was fairly quick an painless, although it should be noted that
the Arch Anywhere installer crashes if you select the Arch Anywhere
Repository from the Additional Software menu; it says its already in the
database but doesn't install.  IT also crashed if you selected (one of,
probably the later) gnome group and/or gtk3(Experimental). Everything is
already installed here so don't worry about it unless you're trying to
replicate this)

It uses Lightdm for the Display Manger, and you can select the Desktop
Enviroment by clicking on the little icon on the top right of the screen,
on the left side of the little line of icons.

The username is dude
the password is AbitaAbider22@
the root password is dugPLUGwhatalug!

If you're paranoid I got sneaky and hid some evil stuff in there, disable
the networking through Virtualbox, but I don't have the time or desire to
do so, and besides, I imagine this is the wrong list to mess with...

The custom Arch Anywhere OpenBox is very Haxxor... I actually kinda like
it, but Htop says its not quite as fast as LXDE
Budgie used the most memory, followed by Cinnamon (which said it would be
faster if it wasn't running in frame buffer due to video drivers), followed
by Mate, then, OpenBox, the LXDE

Mate (246M) felt the most familiar, due to past gnome2 use.  LXDE (162M)
was lightning fast and it looked good, and I might be able to get used to
that l33t Arch Anywhere OpenBox(174M)...


I'm not sure if it's fair to just logout and start a new desktop
environment, but thats what I did, and the results seemed consistent...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Mw4QXQzulid1BsWEVfbFVieHc/view?usp=sharing







On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >   I do like it
> > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker?  i forget), which I
> > have seen on both distros.
> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Is this what you are thinking about:
> http://glx-dock.org/
> It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac
> stuff too. Very
> configurable.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Nat Taylor]

I used Cinnamon, then Mate, then KDE on my arch desktop after I read a
recent comparison of CPU cycle usage by various modern desktops.  I was
surprised to see KDE out front so I tried it out when I did a reinstall due
to a failing hard drive.
I have also been using XFCE on some VMs lately, and it's quite nice these
days.   Manjaro has a nice XFCE implementation on its default desktop.
Siduction does as well, and they have a Mate version as well.  It's all
Debian Sid, so it might be a good fit, if you're set on Mate.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:15 PM Seth Alford  wrote:

> Mate 1.16.1 on Fedora 25
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dick Steffens 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does t open a terminal in Ubuntu MATE?
> > >
> > > Yessirr, indeedee it does. Remember one thing I have replaced the
> Window
> > manager Marco with Compiz, beyond that it is not changed. You can select
> > window managers in:
> >
> > System > Preferences > Look and Feel > Mate Tweak.
> >
> > That is really the only thing I can think of that I change.
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] CentOS 7 iso too big to burn...

[Nat Taylor]

I agree with above wholeheartedly.  I was trying to go with the flow of
dude's idea, but that 's a valid point about partitioning.
I don't even know if dd'ing to a different partition on a drive you weren't
trying to format would work.
a 5 dollar usb stick should do.  Maybe 10 dollars if you have to go to Fred
Meyers to get it.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would advise you against trying to install Linux to drive you just
> booted from - the things will likely go wrong as soon as the installer
> start partitioning the drive.
> While you could pre-partition the drive for the install before booting
> from it - avoiding partitioning - you could still run into trouble when
> making the partitions bootable.
> Put the ISO on USB stick, you will save yourself a lot of time and
> trouble. Here is how:
> https://www.linuxunit.com/how-to-create-bootable-usb-key-centos7/
> Alternatively you could setup boot server and install from that via PXE
> - If you have spare PC and do not mind setting up DHCP, tftp, NFS
> server and setting up PXE boot image. Although that would probably take
> longer to setup than driving to the nearest store for a USB stick. The
> advantage, you could automate it and use the setup to install a lot of
> PCs pretty quickly.
> Best luck, Tomas
> On Thu, 2017-03-30 at 23:21 -0700, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > Install from usb key?
> > https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/InstallFromUSBkey
> > might fit on an 8gb, def a 16gb
> >
> > Or maybe just dd the install file onto your partition and pretend its
> > a usb
> > key and tell your bios to boot from that partition?
> >
> > dd if=CentOS-6.5-x86_64-bin-DVD1.iso of=/dev/sdb1
> >
> > note that I put the 1 on the end of /dev/sdb , as you are dd'ing to
> > the
> > partition, not the drive.   Worth a try.  make sure you get that
> > partition
> > right, so you don't wipe stuff out.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Michael Robinson <
> > mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The CentOS 7 iso is 7.8 gigs.  My DVD-R media tops out at about
> > > half that.  The server I'm trying to upgrade would have to use
> > > an external DVD drive in order to upgrade from a DVD.
> > >
> > > I am trying to upgrade from CentOS 6.8 to CentOS 7.3.  I want
> > > to install CentOS 7.3 on a newly installed and unused 500 gig SSD.
> > > So far, I have created a 10G ext2 partition at the beginning of the
> > > new SSD and I have copied the CentOS 7.3 iso's contents to it.  I
> > > used a loop mount to mount the iso and then cp -av.  I am trying
> > > to figure out how to install from a local hard drive instead of
> > > a DVD disk.
> > >
> > > I have Grub 1 in CentOS 6.8, is there a way to trigger the
> > > installer
> > > from my existing Grub on the second SSD?  Can I seamlessly upgrade
> > > the old CentOS 6.8 to use Grub 2 instead of Grub 1?
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Re: [PLUG] CentOS 7 iso too big to burn...

[Nat Taylor]

Install from usb key? https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/InstallFromUSBkey
might fit on an 8gb, def a 16gb

Or maybe just dd the install file onto your partition and pretend its a usb
key and tell your bios to boot from that partition?

dd if=CentOS-6.5-x86_64-bin-DVD1.iso of=/dev/sdb1

note that I put the 1 on the end of /dev/sdb , as you are dd'ing to the
partition, not the drive.   Worth a try.  make sure you get that partition
right, so you don't wipe stuff out.

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Michael Robinson <
mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:

> The CentOS 7 iso is 7.8 gigs.  My DVD-R media tops out at about
> half that.  The server I'm trying to upgrade would have to use
> an external DVD drive in order to upgrade from a DVD.
>
> I am trying to upgrade from CentOS 6.8 to CentOS 7.3.  I want
> to install CentOS 7.3 on a newly installed and unused 500 gig SSD.
> So far, I have created a 10G ext2 partition at the beginning of the
> new SSD and I have copied the CentOS 7.3 iso's contents to it.  I
> used a loop mount to mount the iso and then cp -av.  I am trying
> to figure out how to install from a local hard drive instead of
> a DVD disk.
>
> I have Grub 1 in CentOS 6.8, is there a way to trigger the installer
> from my existing Grub on the second SSD?  Can I seamlessly upgrade
> the old CentOS 6.8 to use Grub 2 instead of Grub 1?
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Re: [PLUG] Other options besides VNC (or RDP)

[Nat Taylor]

Apache Guacamole!

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:40 PM Neal  wrote:

> Chrome Remote Desktop, which I assume runs on anything that can handle the
> Chrome browser?
>
> Haven't gotten around to trying it myself but it's on the ToDo list :) .
>
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Re: [PLUG] Good video capture card

[Nat Taylor]

huh, the OBS forums has a link to the
https://www.elgato.com/en/gaming/game-capture-hd60 which says it takes
unencrypted hdmi, that should work, it's a little cheaper than the DHgate
IPTV solutions I posted earlier, although I still think that's a slick way
to go about it.   The blackmagic intensity is more expensive than the IPTV
solutions mentioned earlier.  I don't know about performance.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> By way if you need to get rid of the HDCP here is the device, still on good
> ol'
> Amazon...
> https://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Powered-Splitter-1080P-Model/dp/B004F9LVXC
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am actually using OBS-Studio, we are feeding a streaming service, and I
> > am
> > using OBS-Studio as the interface from the A/V system. I have a HDMI
> output
> > S-Video, and composit plus audio to play with. I would like to use the
> > HDMI out
> > and feed it into a HDMI input let OBS-Studio do it's thing (that part
> work
> > we have
> > great video and audio on YouTube when CrudCast does not drop the ball. I
> > have
> > to look into that because they are paying good money for that connection.
> > But
> > that is another story, MTR shows some funnies down stream from us.
> >
> > I just need to get that video stream into the OBS-Studio computer and
> from
> > there
> > I am good. I have tested it with USB cams at 1080P plus audio, it sounds
> > and
> > looks good. This is a live stream so need it to be as near as possible to
> > real time.
> >
> > All the parts are working just have to get the bits from the older system
> > into the
> > OBS-Studio system. Turns out the DVD player receives the A/V stream and
> it
> > puts it on the HDMI output port so I figured that would be the
> > quickest/cleanest
> > way to get it from one machine to the other.
> >
> > I saw the page about MythTV, I do not think I will have any issues with
> > the HDCP
> > on this one, besides I have a little box that strips it out, and since we
> > are not
> > running anything that is DRM  protected there is no issue there. I use
> the
> > little
> > box to plug a HDMI to video converter into a regular monitor, without the
> > box
> > the monitor does not see the video stream coming from something that has
> > DRM
> > on it, but once the box is in place I can view it on the monitor just
> fine.
> >
> > I am hoping that they see the qualities in OBS-Studio, it is a lot more
> > powerful
> > than the stack of video gear that they have now. I figure that if I can
> > start out
> > this way I can ease it in little by little.
> >
> > They have already asked about using the OBS machine to do some other
> mixing
> > I may have to get a frame grabber card for some older cameras, but I we
> are
> > trying to get it all to go 1080P, so need to replace several cameras, and
> > in the
> > end projectors. Monitors are all HD, so we are good there. Old console is
> > still
> > 4:3, that is what is making OBS-Studio attractive.
> >
> > I figure if I can just find a card with two fulldux HDMI ports on it that
> > would be
> > a good start. (try to keep cost down if can)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Here are 2 of the devices mentioned for sale on DHgate:
> >> http://www.dhgate.com/product/mine-mv-e1002-hd-video-encoder
> >> -h-264-hdmi/373348863.html#s1-0-1b;searl|3343559327
> >> http://www.dhgate.com/product/v-receivers-radio-tv-broadcast
> >> ing-equipment/374514031.html#s1-4-1b;searl|4226391069
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The IPTV solution would be pretty slick, you could use VLC to write it
> >> to
> >> > a file, or whatever other software should support an mpegts stream
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Here is some useful information: https://www.mytht
> >> >> v.org/wiki/Video_capture_card#Digital_Capture_Cards
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Folks,
> >> >>> I need to capture video/ from a video system. This is the common
> >> stream
> >> 

Re: [PLUG] Good video capture card

[Nat Taylor]

Here are 2 of the devices mentioned for sale on DHgate:
http://www.dhgate.com/product/mine-mv-e1002-hd-video-encoder-h-264-hdmi/373348863.html#s1-0-1b;searl|3343559327
http://www.dhgate.com/product/v-receivers-radio-tv-broadcasting-equipment/374514031.html#s1-4-1b;searl|4226391069

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The IPTV solution would be pretty slick, you could use VLC to write it to
> a file, or whatever other software should support an mpegts stream
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is some useful information: https://www.mytht
>> v.org/wiki/Video_capture_card#Digital_Capture_Cards
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>> I need to capture video/ from a video system. This is the common stream
>>> off
>>> of a switcher, it can be pulled from a HDMI port (probably the best) or
>>> there is
>>> RGB and audio, and I believe there is S-Video too.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions as to what is a good device at a good price? This will of
>>> course
>>> be on a Linux box. It is Ubuntu Mate 16.04.
>>>
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Re: [PLUG] Good video capture card

[Nat Taylor]

The IPTV solution would be pretty slick, you could use VLC to write it to a
file, or whatever other software should support an mpegts stream

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is some useful information: https://www.
> mythtv.org/wiki/Video_capture_card#Digital_Capture_Cards
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>> I need to capture video/ from a video system. This is the common stream
>> off
>> of a switcher, it can be pulled from a HDMI port (probably the best) or
>> there is
>> RGB and audio, and I believe there is S-Video too.
>>
>> Any suggestions as to what is a good device at a good price? This will of
>> course
>> be on a Linux box. It is Ubuntu Mate 16.04.
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Good video capture card

[Nat Taylor]

Here is some useful information:
https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_capture_card#Digital_Capture_Cards

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> Folks,
> I need to capture video/ from a video system. This is the common stream off
> of a switcher, it can be pulled from a HDMI port (probably the best) or
> there is
> RGB and audio, and I believe there is S-Video too.
>
> Any suggestions as to what is a good device at a good price? This will of
> course
> be on a Linux box. It is Ubuntu Mate 16.04.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Linux replace PS/2???

[Nat Taylor]

I may be confused, but doesn't the PS2 just save the state of your games on
that memory card?
Like how far you got in Turok or Goldeneye?

This might be of interest, I'll bet you could use your controllers on a
raspberry pi somehow: https://retropie.org.uk/
http://www.instructables.com/id/Playstation-2-controller-with-Raspberry-Pi/


It looks like McBoot (or FreeMcBoot) is used to rip your dvds onto the
ps2's drive if you have a fat ps2 with a hard drive, and then back off
later, or play burned disks in the drive or other places.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ps2/comments/2ppzy6/attention_everyone_with_questions_about_freemcboot/

You can rip your PS2 ROMS from your ps2 disks:
https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-make-an-iso-from-a-ps2-game-disc
I'm not sure of the legality of downloading a PS2 ROM ISO of a disk you
physically own.
Here's a discussion:
http://www.howtogeek.com/262758/is-downloading-retro-video-game-roms-ever-legal/
I've noticed on Nintendo's site they definitely say no.

It seems like ripping your own disks to play on the emulator would be the
best way to go.

Something like this would be pretty cool to build, this one is with a PS1
but I'll bet you could do a PS2,
http://www.instructables.com/id/PiStation-A-Raspberry-Pi-Emulation-Console/

 or if you used a raspberry pi zero you could maybe fit it inside the ps2
controller like they fit this one in the nintendo controller:
http://lifehacker.com/stuff-a-raspberry-pi-zero-into-a-nintendo-controller-fo-1753013570
here's one in an xbox controller:
https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2015/11/raspberry-pi-zero-hidden-in-an-xbox-controller/






On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:14 AM, Michael Robinson 
wrote:

> I have a Play station II that isn't modified.  It's the fat variety,
> not a slim one.
>
> I've found via Newegg a USB adapter that supports the stock PS/2
> controllers.
>
> Wonderful, but how do I get PCSX2 installed on Fedora 24 and how do I
> get my saved games
> from PS/2 memory cards to USB thumb drives that will work on the Linux
> machine?  What is
> McBoot and why do I need it?
>
> Is there a USB to play station II memory card Adapter for Linux?
>
> Does anyone think that what you find on youtube about backing up play
> station II memory
> cards to a PC is too complicated?
>
> I want to recover my saved games on my 8 meg play station II memory
> card.  I don't want
> to modify the play station II, at least not permanently.  Once I've
> successfully moved
> from PS2 memory card to standard usb thumb drive, I can see about
> getting rid of the console
> and running my games via emulation instead.
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Re: [PLUG] Permissions for an entire PARTITION

[Nat Taylor]

Without putting a "user" entry in fstab marking it as user mountable?

On Nov 8, 2016 3:57 AM, "Richard Owlett" <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote:

> On 11/7/2016 3:55 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > How about using a file system windows can't read?
>
> That much was assumed. The catch is my requirement for a Linux
> system to mount a Linux filesystem on particular physical
> partition without requiring root privileges. Keith's post nudged
> me to recognize some of my unrecognized assumptions. After
> voting, I'll restate my question.
>
>
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2016 4:23 AM, "Richard Owlett" <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> My primary use case is a laptop:
> >> 1. purchased explicitly for use as a test bed.
> >> 2. whose HD has been erased multiple times in ONE day.
> >> 3. is isolated from ANY network.
> >> 4. has multiple installs of Debian, primarily classed as:
> >>a. a full GUI install - what one would get choosing all
> >> installer defaults.
> >>b. a GUI install limited to the tools I use routinely.
> >>c. an install oriented to whatever my current experiment needs.
> >> 5. has 2 classes of "DATA Partitions":
> >>a. those which UID 1000 may mount without entering any
> >> password.
> >>b. those which *ANY* user may mount only by using root
> >> password.
> >> The second use case is an existing machine with WinXP which is
> >> why I do not wish these "DATA Partitions" to be Windows readable.
> >>
> >> When origially asking this question in another forum I assumed
> >> (apparently incorrectly) that partitions handled user/group/world
> >> permissions in a manner similar to file systems.
> >>
> >> I gather that I can approximately solve the problem with
> >> appropriate entries in /etc/fstab (pointer to good tutorial
> >> please). That approach has short comings:
> >>  1. requires custom editing of /etc/fstab for each install.
> >>  2. requires custom editing of /etc/fstab for each install
> >> whenever a partition is added.
> >> I've also been pointed to pmount which has similar problems.
> >>
> >> Clearer than mud? ;/
> >> TIA
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Re: [PLUG] Permissions for an entire PARTITION

[Nat Taylor]

How about using a file system windows can't read?

On Nov 7, 2016 4:23 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

>
> My primary use case is a laptop:
>1. purchased explicitly for use as a test bed.
>2. whose HD has been erased multiple times in ONE day.
>3. is isolated from ANY network.
>4. has multiple installs of Debian, primarily classed as:
>   a. a full GUI install - what one would get choosing all
> installer defaults.
>   b. a GUI install limited to the tools I use routinely.
>   c. an install oriented to whatever my current experiment needs.
>5. has 2 classes of "DATA Partitions":
>   a. those which UID 1000 may mount without entering any
> password.
>   b. those which *ANY* user may mount only by using root
> password.
> The second use case is an existing machine with WinXP which is
> why I do not wish these "DATA Partitions" to be Windows readable.
>
> When origially asking this question in another forum I assumed
> (apparently incorrectly) that partitions handled user/group/world
> permissions in a manner similar to file systems.
>
> I gather that I can approximately solve the problem with
> appropriate entries in /etc/fstab (pointer to good tutorial
> please). That approach has short comings:
> 1. requires custom editing of /etc/fstab for each install.
> 2. requires custom editing of /etc/fstab for each install
>whenever a partition is added.
> I've also been pointed to pmount which has similar problems.
>
> Clearer than mud? ;/
> TIA
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Re: [PLUG] Need PHP help

[Nat Taylor]

Yeah try the treehouse put it in your script method if you can't find the
right php.ini or its not sticking.

On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Tyrell Jentink  wrote:

>

> **OOPS!**
>
> I was shooting from the hip and from memory...  And got a couple of things
> wrong :/
>
> First... You declare the constant in php.ini, you declare the function in
> the PHP script itself :/ Both were identified in the link I provided, but
I
> was misquoting the details.
>
> If I understand it correctly (I'm now second guessing myself :/ ), these
> achieve a similar goal, but my method has one major shortcoming: It
doesn't
> catch errors in compiling. In my quick and dirty tests, I couldn't get the
> function method to work for anything but the most simple errors...  It
> MIGHT work in your case, because it appears to be compiling just fine...
> But for AT LEAST this reason, my method is inferior to Nat's proposal.
>
> Therefore, I would suggest digging deeper into WHY Nat's method didn't
work
> (It should have spit out a bunch of text right at the top of the web
> page).  I had a problem with one of Fedora boxes once where there were
> several different PHP.ini files on the system, and only one of them was
> actually getting used...  I don't remember what the solution was there,
but
> it doesn't seem you are using Fedora anyway, so I guess my point is to
> check for multiple locations of that file, and see if that gets you
> anywhere.
>
> http://docs.slackware.com/howtos:network_services:setup_apache_php_mysql

> says it's supposed to be in /etc/httpd/php.ini. Is that the one you were
> working with?
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Tyrell Jentink, KD7KUJ wrote:
> >
> > > PHP Error Reporting Mode gets enabled one of two ways, either in the
PHP
> > > Configuration itself, which is global, or in the initially called PHP
> > > file, which if I've been keeping up, is install.php in your case. You
> > will
> > > simply define a constant at the top of the file, with the error
reporting
> > > level, and everything run after that point will be reported to the
> > > browser.
> >
> > Tyrell,
> >
> >Following Nat's suggestions I implemented (by uncommenting) lines in
> > /etc/httpd/php.ini. Cannnot find any output so I'll check the URL he
> > provided.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Need PHP help

[Nat Taylor]

You enable error reporting in php.ini

error_reporting = E_ALL
display_error = On

If you have trouble with that, or simply seek more info, check
http://blog.teamtreehouse.com/how-to-debug-in-php

On Aug 14, 2016 1:11 PM, "Rich Shepard"  wrote:

>If you're a PHP coder I'd want to learn how to find the source of what's
> reported to be a syntax error in an adodb driver file. The latest adodb
> does
> not have a driver of the required name so I made a soft link to that name
> from the available postgres driver: adodb-postgres7.inc.php.
>
>The program calls a file named adodb-postgresql.inc.php. When I grep for
> that name from the source tree root nothing is returned. How do I identify
> the calling file?
>
>My web searches tell me there's a PHP debug mode. How can I turn that on
> for the driver file with the expectation that it will provide a more
> informative error message?
>
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Re: [PLUG] Wifi Compatibilty and Linux Distro's

[Nat Taylor]

whups, truncated,

up vote18down voteaccepted

First of all remove the settings you made.

sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf

If you do not have this file, nothing is wrong.

Then install a good driver

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:hanipouspilot/rtlwifi
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install rtlwifi-new-dkms linux-firmware

Reboot and enjoy

If you still have problems, you may need to add an option:

echo "options rtl8723be ant_sel=2"  | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf

then reboot again.

Expanation is made by *chili555* in this answer
<http://askubuntu.com/a/729660/167850>.

This is the same driver as https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new,
rock.new_btcoex branch but packed as dkms.

You can see all that at
https://github.com/hanipouspilot/rtlwifi_new/tree/rock.new_btcoex

If you also need bluetooth working, run also:

sudo apt-get install rtl8723au-bt-dkms linux-firmware

*Note:* Support for 4.2 kernels and Ubuntu 15.10 has been added to the PPA.
For kernel 4.2 the bluetooth driver should *not* be installed from the PPA.
There is already native support of the bluetooth adapter in kernel 4.2.

*Offline guide*

If you do not have any internet connection, you can download the package
using another computer, a phone, etc.

The package is HERE
<https://launchpad.net/~hanipouspilot/+archive/ubuntu/rtlwifi/+files/rtlwifi-new-dkms_0.10_all.deb>

You will also need DKMS installed. You can find the DKMS package for Ubuntu
16.04 HERE
<http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dkms/dkms_2.2.0.3-2ubuntu11_all.deb>

Copy these two files to the Ubuntu Home folder (~/) and run in terminal

sudo dpkg -i dkms*.deb rtlwifi*.deb

Then reboot.

*Important:* For new Ubuntu kernels installed on a system with Secure Boot
on UEFI, the unsigned kernel module may not load. In this case see THIS
ANSWER <http://askubuntu.com/a/762255/167850> to fix it.

Meanwile I will try to find a way how to sign the module in the PPA. There
is a way how to do it.
share <http://askubuntu.com/a/635629>improve this answer
<http://askubuntu.com/posts/635629/edit>
edited Jul 21 at 18:23 <http://askubuntu.com/posts/635629/revisions>
answered Jun 12 '15 at 15:25
<http://askubuntu.com/users/167850/pilot6>
Pilot6 <http://askubuntu.com/users/167850/pilot6>
25k104094

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> DuckDuckGo told me this, here's the link for more too (
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/635625/realtek-8723be-wifi-problem#635629
> ):
> Realtek 8723BE Wifi problem
> <http://askubuntu.com/questions/635625/ddg#635629>
>
> First of all remove the settings you made.
>
>   sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf
>
>
> If you do not have this file, nothing is wrong.
>
> Then install a good driver
>
>   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:hanipouspilot/rtlwifi
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install rtlwifi-new-dkms linux-firmware
>
>
> Reboot and enjoy
>
> If you still have problems, you may need to add an option:
>
>   echo "options rtl8723be ant_sel=2" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf
>
>
> then reboot again.
>
> Expanation is made by chili555 in this answer
> <http://askubuntu.com/a/729660/167850>.
>
> This is the same driver as https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
> <https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new>, rock.new_btcoex branch but
> packed as dkms.
>
> You can see all that at
> https://github.com/hanipouspilot/rtlwifi_new/tree/rock.new_btcoex
>
> If you also need bluetooth working, run also:
>
>   sudo apt-get install rtl8723au-bt-dkms linux-firmware
>
>
> Note: Support for 4.2 kernels and Ubuntu 15.10 has been added to the PPA.
> For kernel 4.2 the bluetooth driver should not be installed from the PPA.
> There is already native support of the bluetooth adapter in kernel 4.2.
>
> --Pilot6 <http://askubuntu.com/users/167850/ddg>
>
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:40 PM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:51:24 -0700
>> Charles Hill <crh...@gmail.com> dijo:
>>
>> >I don't subscribed to the ship it now with a known bug especially when
>> >it's wireless and patch it later.
>> >On a laptop "Wireless" is a core function.. and if it's not stable it
>> >lends to a miserable user experience.
>>
>> There's always a trade-off between being able to run the latest versions
>> of programs with cool new features, as opposed to reliability and
>> stability. Some lean toward one way and others toward the other. And
>> then there's me - I want both. I've tried various distros and I always
>> keep coming back to Ubuntu. Yes, Ubuntu has bitten me  with serious bugs
>> that should not hav

Re: [PLUG] Wifi Compatibilty and Linux Distro's

[Nat Taylor]

DuckDuckGo told me this, here's the link for more too (
http://askubuntu.com/questions/635625/realtek-8723be-wifi-problem#635629 ):
Realtek 8723BE Wifi problem


First of all remove the settings you made.

  sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf


If you do not have this file, nothing is wrong.

Then install a good driver

  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:hanipouspilot/rtlwifi
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install rtlwifi-new-dkms linux-firmware


Reboot and enjoy

If you still have problems, you may need to add an option:

  echo "options rtl8723be ant_sel=2" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf


then reboot again.

Expanation is made by chili555 in this answer
.

This is the same driver as https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
, rock.new_btcoex branch but
packed as dkms.

You can see all that at
https://github.com/hanipouspilot/rtlwifi_new/tree/rock.new_btcoex

If you also need bluetooth working, run also:

  sudo apt-get install rtl8723au-bt-dkms linux-firmware


Note: Support for 4.2 kernels and Ubuntu 15.10 has been added to the PPA.
For kernel 4.2 the bluetooth driver should not be installed from the PPA.
There is already native support of the bluetooth adapter in kernel 4.2.

--Pilot6 

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:40 PM, John Jason Jordan 
wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:51:24 -0700
> Charles Hill  dijo:
>
> >I don't subscribed to the ship it now with a known bug especially when
> >it's wireless and patch it later.
> >On a laptop "Wireless" is a core function.. and if it's not stable it
> >lends to a miserable user experience.
>
> There's always a trade-off between being able to run the latest versions
> of programs with cool new features, as opposed to reliability and
> stability. Some lean toward one way and others toward the other. And
> then there's me - I want both. I've tried various distros and I always
> keep coming back to Ubuntu. Yes, Ubuntu has bitten me  with serious bugs
> that should not have made it into the release version, but such cases
> are rare.
>
> > I find it interesting that there appears to be no "Open Wireless
> > standard? > landscape? 15 plus years?
> >Maybe I'm missing something but consistent wireless functionality
> >should be ingrained/installed in every Linux version/flavor. Why is
> >that so difficult?
>
> Patents and corporate secrecy. If a manufacturer open sources their
> hardware then everyone will know how they made the product. That
> entices patent trolls. Better to keep everything secret.
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for a tablet

[Nat Taylor]

The nexus 10 I'm using running cyanogenmod would fit your description
fine.  Saw mixed reviews of nexus 9 and pixel c, not sure about them.  Once
I got cyanogenmod on here this tablet hasn't given me any flac. Was a shame
google abandoned it until cyanogenmod 13 came out.

On Jul 23, 2016 4:36 PM, "Pete Lancashire"  wrote:

> Hopefully this is not off topic
>
> I'm looking for a table that
>
> - runs any o/s other then Microsoft, doesn'te even have to be open.
>
> - 9 to 12 inches, don't know what resolution
>
> - reasonable battery life, say 4 hours but not a show stopper.
>
> - can be charged while being used.
>
> - connect to wireless for example the nice PTP signal at my local LuckyLab
>
> - can 'surf' the web with a browser
>
> - can watch most Videos, Youtube for example
>
> - a POP/IMAP client, doesn't really matter which
>
> Optional
>
> - a HTML editor and a means to ftp files up and down.
>
> - a simple line drawing program.
>
> - supports the use of a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
>
> Thats about it.
>
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Re: [PLUG] RPi "UPS"

[Nat Taylor]

I just use a phone charger battery pack.  I think mines 15000 milliamps

On Jul 23, 2016 6:43 PM, "David"  wrote:

> On 07/23/2016 11:45 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > I have been trying to find one of the back up battery packs that are
> charged
> > through USB to keep a RPi alive when the power goes out, so far they all
> > have a flaw, these packs all will power the RPi, but as soon as power is
> > applied to the charge port, power is lost going to the RPi. Some of them
> > drop power and then it comes back, but it is still a big canyon in the
> power
> > road...
> >
> > Does anyone know of one of these back up battery packs that will supply
> > power regardless of the state of the charge port (providing the battery
> is
> > charged of course).
> >
> > I am using the RPi on a weather station, and would like to keep it
> powered,
> > I suppose i can kludge up something on the work bench but was looking for
> > a back up battery pack that would supply power regardless of the state of
> > the input.
> >
> >
>
>
> Check out one of these units from APC:
>
>  >
>
>  >
>
> If you end up getting one, I'd be very happy to get a review on them as
> I'm already considering one for my modem and router in the near future.
>
> dafr
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Re: [PLUG] Local Domain Hosting ? A semi-newbie question

[Nat Taylor]

"Amazon ec2 Mail issues

Having mail servers in the cloud of Amazon ec2 does have a couple of issues.

   - Spammers set up mail spamming instances in the ec2 cloud. Thus the ec2
   ips are blocked by some spam checking tools. In the postfix howto document
   I tell you how to unlist your public ip. Basically go to spamhaus.org and
   fill their unlisting forms.
   - Amazon have themselves set up restrictions for this. Thus port 25
   traffic of new AWS accounts are restricted. Follow the advice in their
   article
   
<http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/faqs/#Are_there_any_limitations_in_sending_email_from_EC2_instances>
on
   how to be approved
   <http://aws.amazon.com/contact-us/ec2-email-limit-request/>.
   - Thirdly, if you are in the cloud, your mail server is not local. So if
   you sent 50MB files as attachment to someone else, the transfer will take
   awhile compared to a local mail server.

"

- http://flurdy.com/docs/ec2/mail/#mailserver

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd suggest nearlyfreespeech.net for a registrar.  I've never used their
> on-demand hosting though.
>
> Hosting?  I'll do you for $1/mo on my jaguarpc reseller account.  We'll
> have to renegotiate if you turn out to be a resource hog, which I doubt you
> will.  Recurring paypal billing.  You could get your own managed hosting
> there for $4/mo (use my email address as a referrer) or get a siteground
> for $3/month (I have no account there, just providing it as a counterpoint.)
> cPanel provides RoundCube or Squirrelmail webmail with pop3/imap for your
> email client
>
> There is AWS free tier if you feel like setting up your own server...
> It's $0.0065 per Hour after the first year.
> https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/
> You might be able to find an owncloud appliance for ec2
> Although you might want to go with nextcloud.
> not sure how those would work on the nano instance.  Linode might be
> easier if you're not going to be taking advantage of free tier.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:26 PM, King Beowulf <kingbeow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, July 1, 2016, Vedanta Teacher <orevedantateac...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Everyone,
>> >
>> >   I was thinking of setting up a local Domain and/or website so
>> > that I can have my own email and DROP gmail, hotmail, etc.
>> > so that the email would be something like:
>> >
>> >   b...@blabla.com <javascript:;>
>> >  or
>> >b...@wolfie.org <javascript:;>
>> > or
>> >rav...@idiot.com <javascript:;>
>> >
>> >
>>  there are a number of choices depending on pro to pro-am, high to low
>> usage, hosting/cloud based etc. lots of online tutorials:
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/
>> (for example).
>>
>> I have on old P4 linux server, using iptables/netfilter and
>> https://freedns.afraid.org/ for dynamic DNS (openwrt router firewall &
>> port
>> forwarding), domains and another  www site registered via
>> http://www.nearlyfreespeech.net
>>
>> I'm still trying to find time for email (lots of choices, have sendmail
>> running internally, just lazy...) but mumble and apache running.
>>
>> Its a good learning experience to set it up at home - nice to have
>> physical
>> access to the server and your own linux distro (Slackware FTW!). Its also
>> good not to depend on the vagaries of corporate entities.
>>
>> you'll have research which email server (sendmail, postfix. etc, I don't
>> have a particilar favorite) fits your need as well as keep up with
>> security
>> so that you domain doesn't end up on a spam blacklist.
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Local Domain Hosting ? A semi-newbie question

[Nat Taylor]

I'd suggest nearlyfreespeech.net for a registrar.  I've never used their
on-demand hosting though.

Hosting?  I'll do you for $1/mo on my jaguarpc reseller account.  We'll
have to renegotiate if you turn out to be a resource hog, which I doubt you
will.  Recurring paypal billing.  You could get your own managed hosting
there for $4/mo (use my email address as a referrer) or get a siteground
for $3/month (I have no account there, just providing it as a counterpoint.)
cPanel provides RoundCube or Squirrelmail webmail with pop3/imap for your
email client

There is AWS free tier if you feel like setting up your own server...
It's $0.0065
per Hour after the first year.
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/
You might be able to find an owncloud appliance for ec2
Although you might want to go with nextcloud.
not sure how those would work on the nano instance.  Linode might be easier
if you're not going to be taking advantage of free tier.




On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:26 PM, King Beowulf  wrote:

> On Friday, July 1, 2016, Vedanta Teacher 
> wrote:
>
> > Everyone,
> >
> >   I was thinking of setting up a local Domain and/or website so
> > that I can have my own email and DROP gmail, hotmail, etc.
> > so that the email would be something like:
> >
> >   b...@blabla.com 
> >  or
> >b...@wolfie.org 
> > or
> >rav...@idiot.com 
> >
> >
>  there are a number of choices depending on pro to pro-am, high to low
> usage, hosting/cloud based etc. lots of online tutorials:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/
> (for example).
>
> I have on old P4 linux server, using iptables/netfilter and
> https://freedns.afraid.org/ for dynamic DNS (openwrt router firewall &
> port
> forwarding), domains and another  www site registered via
> http://www.nearlyfreespeech.net
>
> I'm still trying to find time for email (lots of choices, have sendmail
> running internally, just lazy...) but mumble and apache running.
>
> Its a good learning experience to set it up at home - nice to have physical
> access to the server and your own linux distro (Slackware FTW!). Its also
> good not to depend on the vagaries of corporate entities.
>
> you'll have research which email server (sendmail, postfix. etc, I don't
> have a particilar favorite) fits your need as well as keep up with security
> so that you domain doesn't end up on a spam blacklist.
>
> Have fun!
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Virtual OS Driver [UPDATE]

[Nat Taylor]

sweet, pre built, now all you gotta do is mount the iso on your vm, or
mount it on the computer and then put it on a usb drive, then mount that on
your vm.  not sure how much of a pain that'll be in qemu-kvm, guess you'll
find out.  Is it faster than virtualbox?

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> are these the same ones?
>
> https://github.com/YanVugenfirer/kvm-guest-drivers-windows/tree/master/VirtIO
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 26 Jun 2016, Ken Stephens wrote:
> >
> > > Then put the driver on a USB drive.  The windows should see that
> without
> > > a network card.
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> >I'll try that. The virtio drivers are in an .iso file, and the laptop
> > does
> > have a network card and both ethernet and wlan0 work just fine.
> >
> >Will report back later.
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Virtual OS Driver [UPDATE]

[Nat Taylor]

are these the same ones?
https://github.com/YanVugenfirer/kvm-guest-drivers-windows/tree/master/VirtIO



On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016, Ken Stephens wrote:
>
> > Then put the driver on a USB drive.  The windows should see that without
> > a network card.
>
> Ken,
>
>I'll try that. The virtio drivers are in an .iso file, and the laptop
> does
> have a network card and both ethernet and wlan0 work just fine.
>
>Will report back later.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Virtual OS Driver [UPDATE]

[Nat Taylor]

huh... never had that problem with virtualbox.  So you need a driver for
qemu's virtual ethernet interface for windows?
Is this it?
http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/WindowsGuestDrivers/Download_Drivers

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wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016, Nat Taylor wrote:
>
> > It should be on the download page for the model's page on dell's
> website...
>
> Nat,
>
>The model applies to the hardware; my Dell is running linux. I have the
> Dell and Microsoft numbers for the re-installation disk, but no idea with
> what hardware it originated.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Virtual OS Driver [UPDATE]

[Nat Taylor]

It should be on the download page for the model's page on dell's website...

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016, Rich Shepard wrote:
>
> >   I have qemu-kvm installed on a host with Windows7 Home Premium SP1
> 64bit
> > installed as the guest OS. The virtual win7 needs an ethernet driver so I
> > can connect to the 'Net. Since I cannot look for a driver within the
> virtual
> > OS, please suggest where I can find such a driver and, once I have it on
> the
> > host's hard drive, how I tell the virtual machine to install it.
>
>Seems that I need to get the driver from Dell. I have a re-installation
> disk but no system service code or other magic number. I'll call Dell
> tomorrow and ask for help there.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Gnome-Software, apt

[Nat Taylor]

I  haven't used a GUI package manager for a while , don't miss it.  Pacman,
apt-get, yum, aptitude all work just fine.  What was the ncurses Debian
one?  Aptitude with no arguments, or dselect, or?
On Jun 25, 2016 7:05 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

On 6/24/2016 5:14 PM, wes wrote:
> They're copying the Microsoft business model in the hopes it will work for
> them too
>
> -wes

ROFL
Are we sure Canonical is not just Gates's alter ego ;/


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Re: [PLUG] Gnome-Software, apt

[Nat Taylor]

It didn't make it into the curated Software Center?
Install Synaptic

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Denis Heidtmann  wrote:

> In ubuntu 16.04 the package manager GUI is Gnome-Software.  (You would not
> know that just by looking at the name provided by hovering over the icon
> nor by launching it and looking for a help/about menu-none exists.)
>
> I search for stress in Gnome-Software and get nothing found.  Using
> apt-cache search stress it is found.  I thought the GUI was a front-end for
> apt.  I have searched for problems such as this and tried setting the
> language to English to no avail.
>
> Any ideas on what is going on?
>
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Re: [PLUG] Fwd: lockup

[Nat Taylor]

The second answer on this page looks promising to me, as it utilizes
systemd (as in systemctl)
http://askubuntu.com/questions/226278/run-script-on-wakeup
On Jun 22, 2016 6:38 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> sudo systemctl restart network-manager.service restores wireless after
> coming out of suspend.  Ideas here on how to automate this?  I guess I
> could make a macro so doing it manually would be simple, but it would be
> nice to make it automatic on restore from suspend.
>
> Still no recurrence of the lockup.
>
> -Denis
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I ran glmark2 for 4 hours 15 minutes w/o lockup or any failure.  Going
> > into suspend  and back out shows the network problem.  My understanding
> is
> > that network manager comes out of suspend trying to connect to the
> wireless
> > as if it were wired.  (the symbol on the task bar changes from the
> wireless
> > icon (concentric arcs moving toward a vertex) to the wired icon (fat up
> and
> > down arrows).  There are discussions on the web that say sudo systemctl
> > restart network-manager-service will restore the wireless.  sudo service
> > network-manager restart is also listed.  I should think that the former
> > would be the command of choice since ubuntu 16.04 is supposed to be using
> > systemd.  Have yet to try either.
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> More on wireless w/suspend.  I see that coming out of suspend wireless
> >> did not reconnect.  I do  not know if that is related to my failures,
> but
> >> it is something to watch for.  Thanks for pointing the issue out to me.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Denis Heidtmann <
> >> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have heard about that before, but I believe I had been using the
> >>> machine for a while immediately before the lockup, so I do not think
> the
> >>> wireless driver would have just started (or anything else associated
> with
> >>> waking after sleep).  But I will keep the idea in mind if/when I have
> >>> another lockup.  In the meantime I have run memory check (12 passes, no
> >>> errors).  Next will be e2fsck--I did that already but I think I did
> not run
> >>> it on the main part of the drive.
> >>>
> >>> I did notice that upon booting after the forced shutdown there were a
> >>> number of lines of messages which appeared prior to the login dialog,
> but
> >>> were too brief to read.  On normal boot, i.e., not following a forced
> >>> shutdown, two lines of messages appear.  I took a video to capture what
> >>> they said:
> >>> lvmetad is not active yet, using direct action during system init.
> >>> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root: clean, 238556/753... files, (more
> >>> numbers) blocks.
> >>>
> >>> I will keep the video handy for the next incident to capture the
> >>> messages.
> >>>
> >>> Need to have some routine to exercise the graphics to see if I can
> cause
> >>> the failure.  If I cannot predict/reproduce the failure it seems that
> it
> >>> will be nearly impossible to pin  down.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your suggestion.
> >>>
> >>> -Denis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Do you think it could have something to do with trying to go to sleep
> or
> >>>> and then having some sort of problem with the wifi driver?  I've seen
> >>>> that
> >>>> and the solution is to have the wireless driver disabled before sleep?
> >>>> I
> >>>> think power management is always a good place to start looking when a
> >>>> laptop locks up.  Upstart takes care of stuff while going to sleep on
> >>>> Ubuntu:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/441748/where-are-upstart-log-messages-on-ubuntu-13-x
> >>>> --- ^if you enable upstart log messages you'll get more detail
> >>>> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, David <dafr+p...@dafr.us> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>

Re: [PLUG] Fwd: lockup

[Nat Taylor]

Do you think it could have something to do with trying to go to sleep or
and then having some sort of problem with the wifi driver?  I've seen that
and the solution is to have the wireless driver disabled before sleep?  I
think power management is always a good place to start looking when a
laptop locks up.  Upstart takes care of stuff while going to sleep on
Ubuntu:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/441748/where-are-upstart-log-messages-on-ubuntu-13-x
--- ^if you enable upstart log messages you'll get more detail
http://upstart.ubuntu.com/

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, David  wrote:

> On 06/17/2016 04:45 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > I have had about 3 lockups on my new (used) Lenovo L420.  The symptoms
> are
> > that the system freezes with no responses to either the mouse or the
> > keyboard.
>
> 
>
> I have an aging T61 that exhibited random lockup / reboot cycles as
> well. I found that removing the generic nouveau video driver for the
> proprietary nvidia driver resolved my issue.
>
> The other thing that happened with this was a reduction of memory usage,
> a slightly cooler running machine, and a cessation of kernel panics.
>
> Your situation seems to be slightly different and logging in remotely
> during a lockup, or better still before, from another system may glean
> some useful information as I found that my log files simply didn't
> contain anything useful.
>
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Re: [PLUG] What version of Emacs do you use on MacOS (El Capitan)?

[Nat Taylor]

   - (from http://brew.sh ) Install Homebrew

   /usr/bin/ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)"

   Paste that at a Terminal prompt.

   The script explains what it will do and then pauses before it does it.
   There are more installation options here
   

(needed
   on 10.5).
   - What Does Homebrew Do?

   Homebrew installs the stuff you need
    that
   Apple didn’t.

   $ brew install wget


On Jun 13, 2016 5:29 PM, "eehouse"  wrote:

> I'm a longtime Emacs user, but always on Linux. Now I'm using MacOS at
> work for the first time (ok, since leaving Apple in '97 :-) and am
> trying to use Emacs there to take advantage of all the time I've
> invested learning it. Problem is: it sucks! It crashes at least three
> time per day, and that in an environment where pretty much nothing
> else crashes.  If I weren't so invested I'd have given up after the
> first couple of days.
>
> AFAICT, the version I'm using is official gnu. It identifies itself as
> "Version 24.5 (9.0)" and has a url pointing to www.gnu.org. I'm using it
> in the windowing environment, not a terminal -- which is a requirement.
>
> I've heard people on this list describe themselves as happy with MacOS
> as a compromise between the power/stability of a Unix-based system and
> the familiarity (to others at least) of a consumer OS. Surely some of
> you are using emacs. If so, where'd you get it, and what version?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Eric
> --
>
> **
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Re: [PLUG] Make SU active

[Nat Taylor]

Oh su not sudo:
passwd root

On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

>run visudo to add user to /etc/sudoers
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Marvin Kosmal <mkos...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mkos...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am running linux mint 17.  Have forgotten how to make su active.
>>
>> TIA
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Make SU active

[Nat Taylor]

   run visudo to add user to /etc/sudoers

On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Marvin Kosmal  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am running linux mint 17.  Have forgotten how to make su active.
>
> TIA
>
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Re: [PLUG] Creating a home network

[Nat Taylor]

"And some sort of DNS server" - Damn you autocorrect

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And some sort of end server.  How about running openwrt on it?
> http://computers.tutsplus.com/articles/installing-openwrt-on-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-new-home-firewall--mac-55984
> I'm sure there are plenty of software solutions, that's just the first or
> second one I found (the first one did Tor and openvpn over wifi didn't
> think that as your spec)
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','biob...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> You'd need a USB Ethernet adapter for two ports on the pi.  I'd get the
>> pi 3 and turn off the wifi
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/11/2016 10:00 AM, Nat Taylor wrote:
>>> > a $35 raspberry pi with a 4 port switch connected to it ($ 17 on
>>> amazon, or
>>> > wherever)
>>> > Maybe run ubuntu snappy core with a squid proxy in docker?
>>>
>>> Never thought of a Pi. Will have to research accessories
>>> (including enclosures optimally with integral power supply) to
>>> match vague mental image that "Thingy(TM)".
>>> Triggered thought that I should revisit Voyage Linux.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:15 AM, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> An underlying question: What should I be reading?
>>> >>
>>> >> I wish a blackbox which:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. Connects 4 local machines via Ethernet [WiFi shall *NOT* be
>>> >> considered]
>>> >>  A. A desktop with WinXP and multiple versions of Debian
>>> >>  B. A laptop with WinXP Pro SP3 whose reason for existence is
>>> >> running SeaMonkey.
>>> >> Historically it is/was my primary machine. Its future is
>>> >> as a portable.
>>> >>  C. A laptop dedicated to Linux experiments. I have erased the
>>> >> HDD as many as
>>> >> ten times in one week ;/
>>> >>  D. Misc temporarily connected laptops.
>>> >> 2. It shall provide multiple USB ports in order that a selection
>>> >> of flash dives
>>> >>  and a 1 TB HDD can be accessed by any machine.
>>> >> 3. It *SHALL* connect to the internet via a T-Mobile 4G Hotspot
>>> >> Z915 connected
>>> >>  via USB. The WiFi features have been disabled. I really
>>> >> wanted a USB cell network
>>> >>  modem. The local T-Mobile outlet was only vendor that didn't
>>> >> try assaulting me with
>>> >>  their 'smartphone-du-jour' with an atrociously large data
>>> >> plan. this connection
>>> >>  shall be protected by a firewall.
>>> >>
>>> >> How broke will I be?
>>> >> TIA
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Re: [PLUG] Creating a home network

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And some sort of end server.  How about running openwrt on it?
http://computers.tutsplus.com/articles/installing-openwrt-on-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-new-home-firewall--mac-55984
I'm sure there are plenty of software solutions, that's just the first or
second one I found (the first one did Tor and openvpn over wifi didn't
think that as your spec)

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You'd need a USB Ethernet adapter for two ports on the pi.  I'd get the pi
> 3 and turn off the wifi
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rowl...@cloud85.net');>> wrote:
>
>> On 5/11/2016 10:00 AM, Nat Taylor wrote:
>> > a $35 raspberry pi with a 4 port switch connected to it ($ 17 on
>> amazon, or
>> > wherever)
>> > Maybe run ubuntu snappy core with a squid proxy in docker?
>>
>> Never thought of a Pi. Will have to research accessories
>> (including enclosures optimally with integral power supply) to
>> match vague mental image that "Thingy(TM)".
>> Triggered thought that I should revisit Voyage Linux.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:15 AM, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> An underlying question: What should I be reading?
>> >>
>> >> I wish a blackbox which:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Connects 4 local machines via Ethernet [WiFi shall *NOT* be
>> >> considered]
>> >>  A. A desktop with WinXP and multiple versions of Debian
>> >>  B. A laptop with WinXP Pro SP3 whose reason for existence is
>> >> running SeaMonkey.
>> >> Historically it is/was my primary machine. Its future is
>> >> as a portable.
>> >>  C. A laptop dedicated to Linux experiments. I have erased the
>> >> HDD as many as
>> >> ten times in one week ;/
>> >>  D. Misc temporarily connected laptops.
>> >> 2. It shall provide multiple USB ports in order that a selection
>> >> of flash dives
>> >>  and a 1 TB HDD can be accessed by any machine.
>> >> 3. It *SHALL* connect to the internet via a T-Mobile 4G Hotspot
>> >> Z915 connected
>> >>  via USB. The WiFi features have been disabled. I really
>> >> wanted a USB cell network
>> >>  modem. The local T-Mobile outlet was only vendor that didn't
>> >> try assaulting me with
>> >>  their 'smartphone-du-jour' with an atrociously large data
>> >> plan. this connection
>> >>  shall be protected by a firewall.
>> >>
>> >> How broke will I be?
>> >> TIA
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [PLUG] Creating a home network

[Nat Taylor]

a $35 raspberry pi with a 4 port switch connected to it ($ 17 on amazon, or
wherever)
Maybe run ubuntu snappy core with a squid proxy in docker?

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:15 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

> An underlying question: What should I be reading?
>
> I wish a blackbox which:
>
> 1. Connects 4 local machines via Ethernet [WiFi shall *NOT* be
> considered]
> A. A desktop with WinXP and multiple versions of Debian
> B. A laptop with WinXP Pro SP3 whose reason for existence is
> running SeaMonkey.
>Historically it is/was my primary machine. Its future is
> as a portable.
> C. A laptop dedicated to Linux experiments. I have erased the
> HDD as many as
>ten times in one week ;/
> D. Misc temporarily connected laptops.
> 2. It shall provide multiple USB ports in order that a selection
> of flash dives
> and a 1 TB HDD can be accessed by any machine.
> 3. It *SHALL* connect to the internet via a T-Mobile 4G Hotspot
> Z915 connected
> via USB. The WiFi features have been disabled. I really
> wanted a USB cell network
> modem. The local T-Mobile outlet was only vendor that didn't
> try assaulting me with
> their 'smartphone-du-jour' with an atrociously large data
> plan. this connection
> shall be protected by a firewall.
>
> How broke will I be?
> TIA
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[PLUG] Ubuntu tablet

[Nat Taylor]

Opinions on this?  I'm awfully tempted, although I have been burned by the
Dell xps 13 Ubuntu edition in the past (anyone feel like resoldering a heat
sink on a GPU?)
http://www.bq.com/uk/aquaris-m10-ubuntu-edition
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Re: [PLUG] Import a mobile device from the alternate future where the iPhone didn't ruin everything

[Nat Taylor]

I was thinking a pi 3 in there with its quad 1.2 A7.  Only 1 GB ram tho.
You could use a Bluetooth keyboard with a touchpad in there though.  The
new product seems cool but you're paying for a lot of r
On May 6, 2016 9:40 AM, "Leander S. Harding" <l...@lsh.io> wrote:

> I thought the Pi 2 was .9GHz? Does it overclock nicely?
>
> I would expect a 2xA15 to outrun a 4xA7 for most 'smartphone-type'
> use, regardless of clockspeed, but to me the real reason for the Pyra
> is its 720p screen, inbuilt connectivity, and keyboard - or at least,
> I have its predecessor the OpenPandora and the keyboard on that
> absolutely demolishes every phone and mini-bluetooth keyboard I've
> tried, including my much-loved and now lost Blackberry 8700. You don't
> understand thumbboard typing until you've tried it with shoulder
> buttons as modifier keys.
>
> That an it's got an actual fscking dpad. It's always boggled me that
> no one will put a real dpad on any of their devices, especially now
> that so many of us who grew up navigating Final Fantasy with one have
> grown up and got EE and design degrees...Blackberry had an excuse when
> they were doing the jogwheel thing, but even they've dropped that now.
>
> -Leander
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Reminds me of this:
> >
> http://makezine.com/projects/build-raspberry-pi-powered-linux-laptop-that-fits-your-pocket/
> >
> > I wonder if a quad 1.2ghz processor is faster than a dual 1.5?  I guess
> it
> > depends on the application and how it uses the cpu...
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Leander S. Harding <l...@lsh.io> wrote:
> >
> >> Someone is making an actual proper pocket computer with an onboard 4G
> >> modem:
> >>
> >> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/
> >>
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Re: [PLUG] Snappy response not so snappy anymore

[Nat Taylor]

Ideas:

Uninstall Flash, see if problem persists, reinstall if you must.

try a: sudo su -
and then a: lsof -Pni

maybe install smartmontools
and try a: smartctl -a /dev/sd*X*
with sd*X* being your root drive

Is your drive getting full?

look around in your dmesg and your syslog

with: dmesg | tail -200
(or whatever value for tail you find appropriate)

and: less /var/log/syslog



On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On 05/05/2016 10:10 AM, Neal wrote:
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Dick Steffens 
> wrote:
> >> top - 09:37:44 up 25 days, 15:53,  2 users,  load average: 0.80, 0.44,
> 0.42
> >> Tasks: 225 total,   2 running, 223 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> >> %Cpu(s):  3.6 us,  4.5 sy,  0.0 ni, 91.7 id,  0.3 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
> >> 0.0 st
> > I'm so far out of the "practical Linux performance debugging" loop it
> > ain't funny, especially for desktops as the only Linux I've run in the
> > past many years is Ubuntu Server, from a command line. No screensaver
> > to worry about. So I'm somewhat blindly suggesting it "feels" a lot
> > like a hard drive / network delay on wakeup.
> >
> > Have you done anything with mounted network drives lately, removed
> > them from the server but not your path or otherwise created something
> > that might need to timeout before your desktop can resume?
>
> I regularly connect to a couple of other machines in the house, but
> always through Samba, or in the case of my wife's Win7 machine, from my
> virtual Win7 machine to hers using MS's tool.
>
> > Do you have a tool that can show how busy the hard drive is during the
> > seconds the system is waking up? (Is there even such a tool?)
>
> I haven't found one, but I got caught up in work.
>
> > Is the
> > HD access light on constantly during resume?
>
> I haven't noticed. The box is under my desk. I'll watch for it the next
> time.
>
> > Have you tried switching to a SSD? ;-)
>
> No. I have a 1TB drive with only about half of it used, and access speed
> hasn't really been a problem.
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Import a mobile device from the alternate future where the iPhone didn't ruin everything

[Nat Taylor]

Reminds me of this:
http://makezine.com/projects/build-raspberry-pi-powered-linux-laptop-that-fits-your-pocket/

I wonder if a quad 1.2ghz processor is faster than a dual 1.5?  I guess it
depends on the application and how it uses the cpu...


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> Someone is making an actual proper pocket computer with an onboard 4G
> modem:
>
> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/
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Re: [PLUG] GalliumOS on Toshiba Chromebook 2 (2015)

[Nat Taylor]

A report back after a month or so of use would be useful.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Russell Senior 
wrote:

>
> Not to put anyone off of Joey's dell, but this seems like an opportune
> moment to mention my recent experience with turning a Toshiba Chromebook
> 2 (the 2015 gandof, rather than the 2014 version) into a "real linux"
> machine with GalliumOS.  I needed to do a BIOS update, but I can
> dual-boot to ChromeOS if I want (mostly I don't).
>
> It has 16g of SSD, but it has a nicer display (1920x1080) than most
> Chromebooks (except the Pixel), and 4MB of RAM, which is nicer than many
> as well.  Like most Chromebooks, it has an SD card slot, USB3, HDMI,
> 802.11ac radio.  It is about $300 on Amazon.  The case is a little
> "cheap" feeling, silver plastic, but for $300 it's a decent,
> light-weight laptop for carrying around.  The keyboard (like most
> Chromebooks) takes a little getting used to, and there is a common
> screw-loss syndrome you should be aware of.  Otherwise, generally
> pleased.
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Plex alternatives?

[Nat Taylor]

Kodi > MediaTomb , but it doesn't look like you're looking for a media
center application, just a upnp server?
Emby sure looks cool, hadn't seen that before.  I think MediaTomb Setup was
easier than ReadyMedia like 6 years ago (or was it minidlna then?)
I actually used xbmc on an xbox, and it has always worked great for me,
used it on a Raspberry pi for my media for a while...
Bet Kodi would run great on the Pi 3.  All these opinions are based on
really old versions of the apps you mentioned

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Michael Rasmussen 
wrote:

> Plex isn't as open as I'd like. What are your votes for an alternative?
>
> One's I've found so far:
>  * emby
>  * kodi
>  * MediaTomb
>  * ReadyMedia
>
> My use case is to feed my local stuff to a Roku.
>
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Re: [PLUG] cloning old drive

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Did you try clonezilla?
On Mar 1, 2016 8:45 PM, "Denis Heidtmann"  wrote:

> I am working with an old computer with custom hardware and SW than cannot
> be regenerated.  We want to clone the HD so that if the existing one fails
> we have a chance of being able to continue using the system.  The HD is 1G;
> the OS is Windows 3.1; the computer is a compaq.
>
> A clone was attempted to a 20G HD, but it will not boot (I forgot the error
> message, but it finally said not a system disk.)  And at this point I do
> not know what SW was used to do the cloning.
>
> My first guess is that the BIOS cannot  handle the drive, even though the
> cloning leaves only 1G available.  Is this a likely explanation?  My second
> guess is that perhaps Compaq did something non-standard to prevent drives
> other than theirs from being used.  (They would not be the first nor the
> last company to be SOBs.)
>
> I have searched for ideas, but the answers are so varied that I do not know
> which ones to trust.
>
> Anybody here have suggestions?  What cloning SW is suggested?
>
> (If this question is unacceptable for a Linux group, I can move it to
> Talk.)
>
> -Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] Resolved: What do you call a portable computer that ...

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I've had laptops get too hot on me running with them closed, thats probably
why many don't let you do this.  A new flexi one like that might not have
that problem...

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Dick Steffens 
wrote:

> I ended up getting a Lenovo Thinkpad X200 tablet. I put Ubuntu 14.04 on
> it and copied my music library to it. It works well in the car. At
> first, I thought I would want a tablet because it would be simpler to
> operate, and thinner at the foot of a passenger. As it turns out, it's
> actually easier to use it as a laptop. What makes it work is a feature I
> had not seen on previous laptops, and that is the ability to leave the
> computer running with the lid closed. This offers better protection to
> the screen and this model is slim enough to not be a problem for the
> passenger.
>
> I'm using Totem Movie player to play music files. It's simple to use,
> and the way I store the files makes sense to me and my wife, which is
> all that matters for us.
>
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Re: [PLUG] boot failure

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A live cd or live usb stick running properly would tell u your issue is
software.  If it locks up too heat or power supply could be the culprit.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, King Beowulf  wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Denis Heidtmann  >
> wrote:
>
> > The precursor may or may not be related.
> >
> > I discovered that my wife's gmail had been accessed by an iphone on Nov,
> > 1.  We have no iphone, and were home alone at the time listed.  So I
> > changed the pass word.  Then tried to open firefox.  Would not load.
> > Nothing would work, except the mouse pointer would move around.  Had to
> use
> > the power button to restart.  Now I get error: attempt to read or write
> > outside of disk 'hd0'.  Entering rescue mode.  grub rescue>
> >
> > Yesterday the computer froze in a similar fashion when my wife was
> looking
> > at email in evolution.  A power switch intervention was required, but it
> > booted fine at that time.
> >
> > So the two incidents point to hardware problems or intrusion?
> >
> > I have googled for grub rescue recovery, but what I found was aimed at
> > people with more understanding than I have.
> >
> > Are there suggestions that someone here can offer?
> >
> > thanks,
> > -Denis
> >
>
> sounds like overheating. When was the last time you cleared out the dust
> and checked CPU fan?  The thermal compound btween heat sink and CPU. will
> get brittle over time as well.
>
> -Ed
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] I have no experience with installing Linux, can anyone help?

[Nat Taylor]

I'm sure you will have people fighting over who gets to install linux on
your machine.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Bill Morita  wrote:

> It is easy to produce a thumb drive version of an ISO using the dreaded
> Windows.
> I suggest the free YUMI multi-loader:
> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
>
> It is easy to use:
>
>1. You select the linux distribution
>2. Point to the iso on your system.
>3. Wait for process to finish
>
> Note that you are able to load multiple ISOs to boot from if you have the
> space on the thumb drive.
>
> -- Bill Morita
>
>
> -- Bill Morita
> 512-569-6387 (Cell)
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Vedanta Teacher <
> orevedantateac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Russell,
> >
> >   I have multiple thumb drives and I remembered that I have an external
> HD.
> > If I get a chance I'll see if I can get everything set up. I do have an
> > external
> > dvd/rw I still do recieve cd's from overseas so I keep that option open.
> >
> > Blessings,
> > Paul W.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Russell Senior <
> russ...@personaltelco.net
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > "Paul" == Paul Heinlein  writes:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Paul> It will be tougher if you don't have the gear necessary to burn
> > > Paul> your own DVD. The easiest alternative would be to ask a nearby
> > > Paul> friend or neighbor.
> > >
> > > These days, USB thumbdrives are probably more common, given the
> > > disappearance of optical media from modern hardware.
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] Virtual box does not see usb

[Nat Taylor]

The Open Source Edition provided by Ubuntu does not include the extension
pack that Oracle provides for USB compatibility.  You need to install the
Oracle Virtualbox and then install the Extension pack:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html#extpack
to get the USB  to work.  (Really) Don't think you can install the
Extension pack on top of Ubuntu's install of the Open Source Edition, but
maybe if the versions match?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:18 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net
wrote:

 On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:53:01 -0700
 Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com dijo:

 This may not be the first time I have been burned by Ubuntu's
 proclivity to tweak other's applications.  It seems the only solution
 is to uninstall Ubuntu's and install Oracle's.  What a royal pain!
 Where is a good place to rant?

 Ubuntu forums is where I usually rant. And please post back if the
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Re: [PLUG] Virtual box does not see usb

[Nat Taylor]

Not sure, but I think best practices would be to uninstall VB completely,
ubuntu and otherwise, then reinstall, then install extension pack.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Denis Heidtmann 
 denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
 
  On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The Open Source Edition provided by Ubuntu does not include the
 extension
  pack that Oracle provides for USB compatibility.  You need to install
 the
  Oracle Virtualbox and then install the Extension pack:
 
 
 http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html#extpack
  to get the USB  to work.  (Really) Don't think you can install the
  Extension pack on top of Ubuntu's install of the Open Source Edition,
 but
  maybe if the versions match?
 
 
  I agree re: installing  Oracle Virtualbox and their extension pack.  The
  EP version does not match Ubuntu's.  It will not install.
 
  Ubuntu has created a crippled VB.
 
  -Denis
 

 This is crazy.  Yesterday I tried to install 4.3.28 EP from Oracle.  It
 would not install because of unmatched versions.  Today I found an EP for
 4.3.10.   On trying to install it the message said that there was presently
 installed a newer version (4.3.28)!  I declined to install the older
 version.  But now the USB works.

 Is it possible that Ubuntu's version has the EP installed but does not
 know that it is  there, and the attempt to install 4.3.10 jogged its
 memory?  Or did the 4.3.10 EP (likely came from a non-Oracle source)
 malfunction in some way, either due to errors or due to evil intentions?

 I am way over my head.

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Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

[Nat Taylor]

I've been using Arch Linux with the cinnamon desktop.  Works great once you
get it installed.  I used the guide in Linux Voice magazine.  I suggest
reading some of those magazines, and taking a look at distrowatch.com .
As mostly a user now I find Linux Mint (LTS versions) with the Mate
desktop manager works great.  For servers I've started moving to Debian.

I started with Redhat 3.0.3, moved up the version chain with them for
awhile, then did Fedora, finally CentOS (and with a smattering of the
other Redhat based spin offs.)



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Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

[Nat Taylor]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Michael Rasmussen mich...@jamhome.us
wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 08:16:39AM -0700, Nat Taylor wrote:
  I've been using Arch Linux with the cinnamon desktop.  Works great once
 you
  get it installed.  I used the guide in Linux Voice magazine.  I suggest
  reading some of those magazines, and taking a look at distrowatch.com .
  As mostly a user now I find Linux Mint (LTS versions) with the Mate
  desktop manager works great.  For servers I've started moving to Debian.

 My terse reply of Not Arch was made before seeing this message.

 The OP wrote isn't cutting edge. I don't know of a distribution that is
 less
 cutting edge than Arch. How they manage to keep it organized and well
 functioning
 is a mystery. But they do. And I get the very current versions of the photo
 and video editors that drew me to it.

 But if you're not looking for that level of upstream tracking, stay away.

 OK, pacman is also a very excellent package manager.


Looks like it's been 3 years since I installed Arch on this box, never had
a problem with an upgrade,
although it looks like there are only 12 packages i've installed from the
AUR, all but three of them done
by hand (did just install yaourt recently for a more automated process)

I guess it is cutting edge though, I figured it was right up there with
slackware for ease of installation,
and learning about linux while you install.  It's always been stable for me.

I think I started with mandrake 5 and debian woody, moved to ubuntu for a
while, then deserted
and hopped distros for a while before landing on Mint then Arch

Mint might be a good choice for low effort install, as would Ubuntu LTS.  I
didn't desire an ubuntu flame
war so I didn't mention it.






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   distribution that works well and isn't cutting edge. What do you
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Re: [PLUG] AT Topic? Patching Stagefright on Android?

[Nat Taylor]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:14 PM, John Bartley K7AAY j...@503bartley.com 
john.bart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:55:04AM -0700, Michael Dexter wrote:
 
  Please cast your votes for the following:
  ...

 I,  too,  have an Android,  and since it,  also,  is ignored by the carrier
 because it is 19 mo. old,  I need to go to CyanogenMod or to a similar
 replacement OS, and sure would like more knowledge before that happens.
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Re: [PLUG] Recommend home router software?

[Nat Taylor]

I too have used ddwrt since the wrt-54g and it has never done me wrong.  It
has NAS and a media server, and fine grain controls...
On Aug 12, 2015 4:41 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 I use dd-wrt - http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index. I have been using it on
 an
 ASUS RT-N16 router for years, and have had no issues.

 Mark

 On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com
 wrote:

  On Wed, 12 Aug 2015, eehouse wrote:
 
   I've been running LEAF (http://leaf.sourceforge.net/bering-uclibc/)
   for years on general purpose mini computers like those from
   PCEngines (http://www.pcengines.ch/) and soekris
   (https://soekris.com/). I'm happy with the hardware, but suspect
   LEAF's original focus on fitting on floppy disks is keeping it from
   being as featureful as I'd like.
  
   Any recommendations? I'm not afraid of commandline interfaces, but
   am willing to use one those GUI thingies if it brings real benefits.
 
  I've had great luck with pfSense:
 
 https://www.pfsense.org/download/
 
  It's BSD-based, so it uses pf rather than iptables for filtering, but
  it's easy to use, very feature-full, and doesn't have any trouble
  running on machines with Atom-class processors.
 
  Configuration is generally done via the GUI, though I've had occasion
  to change some things manually via command-line operations.
 
   I think the most challenging thing I'm likely to want to configure
   my router to do is switch from its outbound ethernet connection to
   USB when a tethering smartphone is attached (since our DSL is MUCH
   slower than LTE, and sometimes we really need the greater speed.)
 
  pfSense will support any USB NIC supported by FreeBSD, so you'll have
  to research its compatability with your hardware.
 
  --
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Re: [PLUG] Need Assist with Audio on CentOs 6.6

[Nat Taylor]

You would probably modify the version #'s if you ran the above terminal
with your centos version...

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote:


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 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:07 PM, fsra...@comcast.net wrote:



 - Original Message -

 From: Kyle Kneitinger kylejkneitin...@gmail.com
 To: Portland Linux/Unix Group plug@lists.pdxlinux.org
 Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 9:03:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Need Assist with Audio on CentOs 6.6

 Hi Steve!

 Some tips I've encountered along the way:
 - qjackctl is very smooth. I recommend it if you're not using it already.
 - The dbus version of the jack daemon is far more reliable and adaptive.
 In qjackctl, there is an option that says something like Enable dbus
 interface.

 (steve) Check! But I'm still lost in the corn maze.

 (Kyle)You can find out if you have the dbus version of jack
 installed if the jack_control command exists in the terminal.

 (steve) Okay, when I enter jack_control start in the terminal, I get
 basically:

 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did
 not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did
 not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the
 reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.

 (steve) If I try to start jackctl in the gui, the errors are:



 15:01:09.032 Patchbay activated.

 15:01:09.056 Statistics reset.

 15:01:09.075 ALSA connection change.

 15:01:09.087 D-BUS: Service not available (org.jackaudio.service aka
 jackdbus).

 15:01:09.100 JACK is starting...

 15:01:09.100 jackd -t1 -dalsa -r44100 -p1024 -n2 -D -Chw:0 -Phw:0 -I4
 -O4

 Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory

 Cannot connect to server socket

 jack server is not running or cannot be started

 Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory

 Cannot connect to server socket

 jack server is not running or cannot be started

 15:01:09.111 ALSA connection graph change.

 15:01:09.157 Could not start JACK. Sorry.

 15:01:09.302 ALSA active patchbay scan...

 15:01:13.915 JACK was stopped with exit status=255
 Like I said before, afraid I'm more of an audio guy than a linux guy;
 sorry for the beginner-itis!

 Thanks for any further pointers.

 Steve
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Re: [PLUG] Using GitHub Download

[Nat Taylor]

you could try it in an ubuntu or debian docker container on your slackware
desktop.
And slackware should DEFINITELY have git baked in somehow.  Here it is.
http://packages.slackware.com/?r=slackware-currentp=git-2.3.5-i486-1.txz


On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com
wrote:

 On Sat, 11 Jul 2015, Nat Taylor wrote:

  I took it as a challenge and tried installing the dependencies in arch
  Linux, but it was a pain translating the packages and I didn't care that
  much. Looks like you're golden on an apt based distribution

Goodie for those on an apt-based distribution. Slackware ain't.
 Howsomever, slackbuilds.org has smartgit (6.5.8), a commercial desktop
 git
 client that provides a free non-commercial use license. Required jdk
 (which
 is installed and used by a couple of other applications, including JabRef
 and jGnash). Think I'll give it a try.

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Re: [PLUG] Using GitHub Download

[Nat Taylor]

Read the README.md file that comes with the project.  If you scroll down
its going to be printed out on the screen, too, at the bottom of the list
of files.

If this is the one: https://github.com/hadley/ggplot2-book
then you read the README.md which I have pasted below.  Ideally you have
RStudio installed, note the highlighted part.  Otherwise you type the
commands on the command line.

You're going to need git installed, you can install it in memory using the
package manager of the liveCD if its not included, otherwise install it on
your linux machine first, and you are also going to need gcc (I think) and
the dependencies listed in the next section:
Build the book

You can build the pdf by cloning this repo and running make:

$ git clone https://github.com/hadley/ggplot2-book.git
$ cd ggplot2-book
$ make

If you use RStudio, you can press Cmd/Ctrl + Shift + B to run make.



Installing dependencies

To successfully build this book, you'll need R package development
prerequisites
https://support.rstudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/200486498-Package-Development-Prerequisites
, pandoc and pandoc-citeproc http://pandoc.org/installing.html,
potentially the Inconsolata font
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/inconsolata/, and a number of R
packages. The CRAN packages we depend on are listed in the DESCRIPTION, so
you can install them quickly via devtools
http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/devtools/:

devtools::install_deps(path/to/ggplot2-book, dependencies = TRUE)

There are also a couple GitHub packages which we depend on:

devtools::install_github(c(adletaw/captioner, hadley/bookdown))


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wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, Larry Brigman wrote:

  You could try it from a git clone of the project.

Thanks, Larry. I'll work on this over the weekend. Either the download
 or
 another approach.

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Re: [PLUG] What CMS to use ?

[Nat Taylor]

You can read about them here: http://www.opensourcecms.com/

IMO, WordPress simplest, drupal is super powerful and extensible, and
joomla has a pretty admin interface.
On Jul 10, 2015 12:04 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote:

 Sorry that was meant for different destination

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 wrote:

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Re: [PLUG] Problems running GUI programs as root under Jessie (MATE as DE)

[Nat Taylor]

oh yeah, its also trying to store stuff in the directory /root, which may
not exist if you're on ubuntu or something like that, so you may need to:

   sudo mkdir -p /root/.local/share

first

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote:

 gksu pluma /etc/default/grub ?

 On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net
 wrote:

 I recently sent this to the debian-user mailing list, no useful
 replies.
 I'm unsure whether the primary problem is software or yours truly ;/
 Though my 1st programming course used 026's as input device for a
 precursor of BASIC, I'm newbie to anything *nix related.

 I suspect one problem may be impure terminology. Is there a
 significant difference between root and superuser?

 Comments please.

 /BEGIN QUOTATION OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE

 I have an absolute requirement to run some GUI programs as root.

 I captured one session with script.

 Script started on Mon 30 Jun 2014 08:58:50 AM CDT
 richard@jessie:~$ su
 Password:
 root@jessie:/home/richard# pluma /etc/default/grub

 (pluma:1318): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the
 session

 manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported


 (pluma:1318): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
 dconf: The

 connection is closed
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)

 (pluma:1318): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
 dconf: The

 connection is closed

 (pluma:1318): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
 dconf: The

 connection is closed

 (pluma:1318): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
 dconf: The

 connection is closed

 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to store changes into

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Failed to
 create file

 '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.9WQQIX': No such file or
 directory

 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to set the permissions of

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: No such file or

 directory

 ==pluma has opened


 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to store changes into

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Failed to
 create file

 '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.WMTBIX': No such file or
 directory

 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to set the permissions of

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: No such file or

 directory

 changed one character and saved file


 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to store changes into

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Failed to
 create file

 '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.PRFKIX': No such file or
 directory

 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to set the permissions of

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: No such file or

 directory

 closed pluma



 What's going on


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Re: [PLUG] Problems running GUI programs as root under Jessie (MATE as DE)

[Nat Taylor]

gksu pluma /etc/default/grub ?

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote:

 I recently sent this to the debian-user mailing list, no useful
 replies.
 I'm unsure whether the primary problem is software or yours truly ;/
 Though my 1st programming course used 026's as input device for a
 precursor of BASIC, I'm newbie to anything *nix related.

 I suspect one problem may be impure terminology. Is there a
 significant difference between root and superuser?

 Comments please.

 /BEGIN QUOTATION OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE

 I have an absolute requirement to run some GUI programs as root.

 I captured one session with script.

 Script started on Mon 30 Jun 2014 08:58:50 AM CDT
 richard@jessie:~$ su
 Password:
 root@jessie:/home/richard# pluma /etc/default/grub

 (pluma:1318): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the
 session

 manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported


 (pluma:1318): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
 dconf: The

 connection is closed
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
 Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)

 (pluma:1318): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
 dconf: The

 connection is closed

 (pluma:1318): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
 dconf: The

 connection is closed

 (pluma:1318): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
 dconf: The

 connection is closed

 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to store changes into

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Failed to
 create file

 '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.9WQQIX': No such file or
 directory

 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to set the permissions of

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: No such file or

 directory

 ==pluma has opened


 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to store changes into

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Failed to
 create file

 '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.WMTBIX': No such file or
 directory

 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to set the permissions of

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: No such file or

 directory

 changed one character and saved file


 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to store changes into

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Failed to
 create file

 '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.PRFKIX': No such file or
 directory

 (pluma:1318): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to set the permissions of

 `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: No such file or

 directory

 closed pluma



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Re: [PLUG] Problems running GUI programs as root under Jessie (MATE as DE)

[Nat Taylor]

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gksu

not really sure if you need gksu or gksudo, but maybe the gksudo?  Try em
both.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Dick Steffens d...@dicksteffens.com wrote:

 On 07/09/2015 01:56 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
  I recently sent this to the debian-user mailing list, no useful
  replies.
  I'm unsure whether the primary problem is software or yours truly ;/
  Though my 1st programming course used 026's as input device for a
  precursor of BASIC, I'm newbie to anything *nix related.
 
  I suspect one problem may be impure terminology. Is there a
  significant difference between root and superuser?
 
  Comments please.
 
  /BEGIN QUOTATION OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE
 
  I have an absolute requirement to run some GUI programs as root.
 
  I captured one session with script.
 
  Script started on Mon 30 Jun 2014 08:58:50 AM CDT
  richard@jessie:~$ su
  Password:
  root@jessie:/home/richard# pluma /etc/default/grub

 Does Debian have gksudo? I've used it with Ubuntu, which is based on
 Debian, to run Nautilus, and sometimes gedit.

 So I'd try gksudo pluma /etc/default/grub. Of course, if I'm mistaken,
 I'm sure someone on the list will set me/us straight.

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Re: [PLUG] /not/ OK, Google

[Nat Taylor]

Article says issue has been addressed in Debian and compiled with flags
that exclude issue.

On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, Keith Lofstrom wrote:

  In the long term, though, we cannot maximize privacy without maximum
  transparency.

So, is anyone cognizant of what the linux community is doing / might do
 about the chromium black box? Is there reaction in the tech world beyond
 that blog post to which you pointed us?

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Re: [PLUG] /not/ OK, Google

[Nat Taylor]

Top alternative ROMs for your android include http://www.paranoidandroid.co/
and http://www.cyanogenmod.org/
More information on rooting your phone, backing it up first, installing
roms, etc can be found at http://www.xda-developers.com/root/  and in their
forums, http://forum.xda-developers.com/ I suggest looking up your
particular phone's model in the forums, and see what they have for you.
Be aware that some of the roms in there can be a little buggy, maybe stick
to the established ones?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Matt McKenzie lnxkni...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@gate.kl-ic.com
 wrote:

  On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Keith Lofstrom kei...@gate.kl-ic.com
 wrote:
 
   Google can use a closed source binary module in Chrome and
   Chromium(!) to eavesdrop:
  
  
 
 https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/06/google-chrome-listening-in-to-your-room-shows-the-importance-of-privacy-defense-in-depth/
  
   Will we need a no Android policy for PLUG meetings?
   My doctor wife may no longer allow smart phones into
   the patient exam room.
 
  On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:11:23AM -0700, King Beowulf wrote:
 
   Now that its been identified, the offending code can be easily stripped
  out.
 
  This is true for properly developed Chromium on a Linux
  non-phone computer, but what about Android, which is what
  I wrote about?  Are there functional open-source builds that
  can replace stock AndroidOS on a store-bought Android phone?
 
  My concern is living in a sea of spy phones operated by the
  clueless for the benefit of the spy agencies.  I worry enough
  about my ancient Nokia flip-phone.
 
  Keith
 
  P.S. not relevant to much, but my wife's office has ancient
  Cisco VOIP phones which are poorly designed, and make loud
  noises when a cell phone operates nearby.  Nearby cell phones
  generate a lot of RF when they transmit, so this can be
  detected easily.  This would be a handy feature for a later
  version of the Blackphone.
 
  --
  Keith Lofstrom  kei...@keithl.com
 



 I don't know about Chrome/Chromium replacement, but there are several other
 browsers available including FireFox for Android, but not sure if this kind
 of shenanigans is going on there as well or not.

 As far as replacing Android OS, there are (depending on your device), many
 ROMs available out there, which are for the most part based on Android Open
 Source Project (AOSP), which is the most open and pure version of Android
 available, it is what Google develops directly, and is similar to what you
 would find on a Nexus device.  A store bought branded Android phone runs
 the carrier/manufacturer's modified version (Samsung, Moto, LG, HTC, all
 add their own touches, as well as the carriers VZW, ATT, TMo, Sprint, etc).

 There is a fork I suppose you could call it, of AOSP, called Replicant, and
 is meant to be as open as possible.
 http://www.replicant.us/

 As for the apps, you could use Google's aside from Chrome, or you could go
 with F-Droid, which is a completely open source repository.
 https://f-droid.org/


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Re: [PLUG] QR Code generator with text label

[Nat Taylor]

Or generate the qr codes and use HTML to add a title to the images?

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Chuck Hast wch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Qrencode (cmd line tool) generates png files, Qreator (gui tool) generates
 png files too. I think I will see if I can take a look at the source of
 qreator and
 see how hard it might be to bend it to do a line of text adjacent to the
 QR
 code. If I can do that, i have my solution, put it on some older computers
 and
 add a label printer and done. The Brother QL-570 will work quite well and
 Brother has a nice set of Linux/Unix drivers for their products. Worse case
 is
 I create the QR codes and use Gimp to put them into something that has a
 text line on it , then turn the whole thing into a small file to be
 printed. I do
 one for each piece of hardware I need to label.



 On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Michael Rasmussen mich...@jamhome.us
 wrote:

  On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:29:31PM -0700, Chuck Hast wrote:
   I have qrencode on my machine and have been playing around with it, I
  also
   have qreator which is a gui, but both of them just generate the QR
 code,
  so
   I
   will have to figure out what I can do to merge a QR code with a short
  line
   of
   text for the label. Also did not find the python2 references using
   Synaptic.
  
   The search was done using pacman, was that Arch?
 
  Yes, he seems to be on an Arch system.
 
  QR codes are image files. The online generator I just checked creates
 JPG,
  EPS, or SVG.
  So if you think about the issue as how do I add text to my image ... it
  gets (?) easier.
 
  If you go the JPG route you could use imagemagik to add the text you
 want.
  Plenty of online information on how to do that.
 
  Using an SVG - if the file they generate is sane - could also have text
  added without too much pain.
 
  --
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Re: [PLUG] QR Code generator with text label

[Nat Taylor]

pacman -Ss QR code

extra/prison 1.1.1-1 [installed]

A barcode API to produce QRCode barcodes and DataMatrix barcodes

extra/qrencode 3.4.4-1 [installed]

C library for encoding data in a QR Code symbol.

community/python-qrencode 1.01-8

A simple wrapper for the C qrencode library

community/python2-qrcode 5.1-1

Python library to generate QR codes

community/python2-qrencode 1.01-8

A simple wrapper for the C qrencode library

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wrote:

 it sounds like you need a programmer.

 On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Chuck Hast wch...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have been looking for something that will generate QR codes to
  create labels, I also want to add a short human readable line on
  the label but so far I have not found a single step Linux solution to
  do so.  What I want is the QR code and above or below it a short
  human readable description. I can find windows stuff that will do it
  and I can find some on line generators, but not sure that they would
  like it if I did a whole parts inventory.
 
  I see some people have used other applications to overlay the QR
  code onto something with the text or vice versa, but I want something
  that is reasonably simple to use and runs on Linux so that I can set
  it up for non-tech types to use.
 
 
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Re: [PLUG] Advice needed

[Nat Taylor]

I've kinda given up on this desktop, its using integrated graphics...  But
I suggested the 5450 for a friend whos issue was that older cards weren't
supported anymore either, and that hit the sweet spot of being supported
and available...

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
wrote:

 
 
  On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 ...

   Then there's this:
   ATI
   Radeon HD 5450
   Cedar PRO/radeon
   Yes
   Yes
   Yes
   v11.04 Natty
   Supports compiz and Unity with the default open source driver in Natty.
  
   2011-07-23
 

 Nat,

 I see that the 5450 has PCI Express-16 2.1.  My MB has PCI Express-16
 (likely 1.0 since the version is not specified).  The card should still
 work according to the design specs of PCI Express, but I wonder what
 version of PCI is on your MB.  Also, I see two different heat sink styles
 on the 5450: one is flat and black, the other is red and quite high.  I
 wonder if the red one would fit in my case.

 The 5430 is highly rated for Linux, but it does not exist in the market.
 It often seems that by the time testing using OS drivers gets reported the
 market has moved on--the parts are no longer being sold.
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Re: [PLUG] Advice needed

[Nat Taylor]

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards

(Did you already try this:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia ?)

Maybe you just want to look through these and find a video card on one of
them that looks good (an nvidia or an ATI, as opposed to an onboard one)
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/


Then there's this:

ATI

Radeon HD 5450

Cedar PRO/radeon

Yes

Yes

Yes

v11.04 Natty

Supports compiz and Unity with the default open source driver in Natty.

2011-07-23

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I have a desktop machine which seems to be having problems with the on-MB
 video.  One solution is to install a separate video card.  Another solution
 is to replace the MB or even the entire system.  The former solution looks
 preferable as it is less complicated and less disruptive, so my first
 question is how to select a video card.  No gaming, occasional videos may
 be the most I demand of the machine.  It would be nice to have 3d
 supported.   I have tried asking Mr. G, but he seems interested mostly in
 high-end stuff, and is seldom interested in Linux.

 The gory details of the system are:

 Ubuntu 12.04, Unity desktop.  Virtual box running win 2k

 Asus M3N78-VM MB, new 6/2009. Video is Nvidia GeForce 8200(rev a2)
 CPU AMD Athlon X2 2.5Ghz
 RAM 6G
 HD 500G sata, 500G external sata,
 PSU Antec EA380D (new 9/8/14)
 Monitor Samsung SyncMaster 216BW (failing PS, to be replaced)

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Re: [PLUG] Advice needed

[Nat Taylor]

I'm going to add that thats fanless, and that's a quality I like in a video
card if my computer's gonna be anywhere near my tv and I'm gonna watch
movies on it...  $35 on newegg...  Should play videos just fine, but you
could definitely do better if you research the Certified list...

3d should work fine, but its not up for super modern games via steam, if
so, you should maybe check this: (might work with your current card, too,
try nvidia experimental driver )
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve#NVIDIA_Graphics

Driver Upgrades

Some games will run fine with your current set up, others may require
updated drivers to get the best performance, and a few may refuse to run
without the driver updates. Determine what graphics hardware you are using
and follow the appropriate section below.

NVIDIA Graphics

   1.

   In 12.04, launch the Additional Hardware Drivers dialog from
   System Settings. In 12.10, launch Software Sources, then click on the
   Additional Drivers tab in the Software Sources menu.
   2.

   Install the newest *nvidia-experimental-NNN* driver. Note that you
   probably will need to scroll down to see the experimental drivers.

[image: ahd_2.png]

If your graphics is too new, it is likely that no result found in the
dialog. An alternative method of installing the drivers is to install
manually:

   1.

   Visit nVidia DevZone forum https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/board/99/ to
   find the latest version of drivers. You may try versions indicated
   long-lived branch release for better support.
   2. Download the appropriate version (e.g. Linux_x86 / Linux_x86_64) of
   driver.
   3. Logout X window and login text mode terminal (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F1)
   4.

   Kill X window (e.g.  /etc/init.d/lightdm stop )
   5.

   Remove nvidia-xxx packages (e.g.  dpkg --purge nvidia-* )
   6.

   Change the file mode of the downloaded file (e.g.
chmod 700 NVIDIA-*.run )
   7. Execute the downloaded file and follow its instruction to install the
   driver.
   8.

   Execute  nvidia-xconfig  to generate  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
   9.

   Restart X window (e.g.  /etc/init.d/lightdm start )


On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote:

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards

 (Did you already try this:
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia ?)

 Maybe you just want to look through these and find a video card on one of
 them that looks good (an nvidia or an ATI, as opposed to an onboard one)
 http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/


 Then there's this:

 ATI

 Radeon HD 5450

 Cedar PRO/radeon

 Yes

 Yes

 Yes

 v11.04 Natty

 Supports compiz and Unity with the default open source driver in Natty.

 2011-07-23

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
 denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a desktop machine which seems to be having problems with the on-MB
 video.  One solution is to install a separate video card.  Another
 solution
 is to replace the MB or even the entire system.  The former solution looks
 preferable as it is less complicated and less disruptive, so my first
 question is how to select a video card.  No gaming, occasional videos may
 be the most I demand of the machine.  It would be nice to have 3d
 supported.   I have tried asking Mr. G, but he seems interested mostly in
 high-end stuff, and is seldom interested in Linux.

 The gory details of the system are:

 Ubuntu 12.04, Unity desktop.  Virtual box running win 2k

 Asus M3N78-VM MB, new 6/2009. Video is Nvidia GeForce 8200(rev a2)
 CPU AMD Athlon X2 2.5Ghz
 RAM 6G
 HD 500G sata, 500G external sata,
 PSU Antec EA380D (new 9/8/14)
 Monitor Samsung SyncMaster 216BW (failing PS, to be replaced)

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Re: [PLUG] Move home directory to new HD

[Nat Taylor]

So, when you use the Ubuntu installer, if you go to advanced partitioning,
you can select /dev/sda2 (to keep with the thread) as /home (and this
already has your home directory copied onto it, rsync does seem like a good
way to do this)  , and make sure the box for Format is not clicked, and
/dev/sda1 as / with Format selected, and the /dev/sda3 as swap
and then just install.  ( I would def keep a backup first)

What I'm getting from this thread is that people think the .files might
mess up a smooth transition, if you were to just go ahead and try it this
easy way?   I would think if it was the same distro and the same version
you'd be golden, and if it were a slightly older version, it still might
work but throw some weirdness every now and then?



On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Chuck Hast wch...@gmail.com wrote:

 So far so good.
 Ed, that is what I remember as what I did the last time I went through
 this.
 Indeed this morning I did the same thing I partitioned the HD on the new
 machine with gpartd, I set the following
 /root
 /home
 /var ( I like to keep that one as it usually has some stuff in it that gets
 passed
  down to the next HD)
 /swap
 I installed the OS rebooted and nothing, I guess either it did not install
 grub
 or something else was wrong. Anyhow I whacked it and told the system to
 just do a NOOB install to make sure all was OK, it did so, now I have got
 to
 go get near a network link that is not over satellite and re-try it again
 so I can
 download all of the stuff I will want, but at least I know that all is
 well, just have
 to see where I messed up. I flagged the / as bootable, as usual, but no
 joy.

 I even installed Compiz on the thing, it is working great (well some stuff
 does
 not work because the zombies at Ubuntu seem to have messed things up
 with the Unity thing) but it works enough to at least check all out and get
 on
 with making sure all of the hardware is working.

 Tomorrow I will go where I can get a hard wired connection and reload the
 thing but my way then I will do the transfer of my junk to it, sans .files.

 Thanks for the good info so far.

 Little Thinkpad X201 screams. Once I get a couple of VM's running on it I
 will
 know for sure how well it does. My little X200 runs two of them at the same
 time and still keeps up with things pretty well. Even when I am running a
 Win7 session in one and some other variant of Linux in the other.

 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:54 PM, King Beowulf kingbeow...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  On 03/29/2015 08:03 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
   Folks,
   It has been a long time since I had to do this one, but I am going to
   set up a new (yea it is relative) machine a refurbed X201 that I just
   got. I put a 1 tb HD in it and am going to move my present work to
   it so I can refurb my X200 ( screen has bad tubes or PSU) and I
   need to do some other things to it. I did this I think about 5 years
   ago and recall that I messed some things up but can not remember
   what I did, I finally got it all going right, but would like to do it
 in
  one
   fell swoop without having to go in and fix issues, and no surprises
   on the road either.
  
   So I am all ears as to how to do it properly. The last time I did this
   of course the machine created a home directory for my login, but
   I had to go in and replace it with my original home directory after the
   whole thing had been created, then like now the disk was a clean new
   disk, and I copied the home directory from another disk. I am thinking
   to go ahead and move the home directory to the new disk prior to
   installing OS as I always set up a separate partition for the home
   directory.
  
   I am now ready to hear any and all recommendations.
  
 
  Chuck
 
  I do this all the time. Don't listen to all those nancies with their
  scary stories.  It's straight forward, if sometimes a bit tedious.
 
  Step 1:
  identify all software you added that is not part of your base distro
  install.  Make note of the ones you still use.
 
  Step 2:
  mount a backup drive and rsync /home/user to it, dot files and all.
 
  Step 3:
  Install a fresh copy of your distro on the 1TB drive of the X201 with at
  least 3 partitions:
 
  /dev/sda1  (for the new /root)
  /dev/sda2  (for the new /home)
  /dev/sda3 (ie /swap ... mostly optional these days
 
  (BTW, flame wars have started over partition schemes.  So, separate out
  as you see fit.  I rarely use more that 2 or 3 partitions).  Now you
  have a clean install with no kruft.  Boot into your new install.
 
  Step 4:
  Format and mount /dev/sda2 as, say, /data, for example.
 
  Step 5:
  Mount your backup drive /mnt/hd, for example, and then (!)
  cd /mnt/hd
  chown -R newuser:users .
 
  That should normalize the ownerships.  Adjust as needed for multiple
  users and if you changed your username.  Also, delete any old crap while
  your are at it.
 
  Step6:
  rsync your backup to the previously mounted /data DO NOT COPY any dot
 

Re: [PLUG] Flash (sigh)

[Nat Taylor]

It's nice that they call it safe-upgrade, huh?  Makes all that scary stuff
just a little bit less scary.
Your kernel was probably held back, huh?  It updated stuff like
linux-image-3.*something-or-another*, didn't it?  Mine was held back till I
tried aptitude recently.

I guess a question would be, how did you get there?  Have you been
performing regular updates with Xubuntu's update-manager?  If so, why
wasn't it updating the stuff that aptitude did?  Maybe run the safe-upgrade
every now and then to keep yourself from getting into a similar pickle
later...
I think an apt-get dist-upgrade would have done the same thing, in
retrospect..

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 6:35 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net
wrote:

 On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 17:54:55 -0800
 Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com dijo:

 I'd start with:
 sudo apt-get update
 sudo apt-get -f install
 sudo apt-get install aptitude
 sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
 sudo aptitude install flashplugin-installer
 
 see if aptitude helps you out on those held packages...

 It worked. The safe-upgrade command took over ten minutes with screens
 and screens full of really, really scary stuff. But it ended without
 error, and afterward I was able to install the flashplugin-installer
 without problems. And after restarting Firefox the Flash videos are now
 working.

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Re: [PLUG] Flash (sigh)

[Nat Taylor]

I'd start with:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get -f install
sudo apt-get install aptitude
sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
sudo aptitude install flashplugin-installer

see if aptitude helps you out on those held packages...

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:24 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net
wrote:

 On Xubuntu 14.04.1 my browser of choice is Firefox. Lately I have been
 having problems with Flash content on webpages. At the moment Youtube
 will not play, nor will anything else. I also have Chrome and Opera
 installed, and neither of them will display Flash content. This always
 used to work, so I am trying to figure out what has gone wrong.

 In particular I am trying to view the Flash on the following URL:

 https://portlandstate.qualtrics.com//SE/?SID=SV_9LHSxbSmVeNMgwR

 Synaptic says that flashplugin-installer is installed. I tried
 reinstalling it, but got the following error messages:

 E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
 caused by held packages.
 E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
 caused by held packages.
 E: Unable to correct dependencies
 E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
 caused by held packages.
 E: Unable to correct dependencies
 E: Unable to lock the download directory

 I also tried it with Dolphin and Chrome on my Android phone, and can't
 get the video to play there either.

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Re: [PLUG] How to find the executables

[Nat Taylor]

sometimes its slocate -u   instead of updatedb

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Wayne E. Van Loon Sr. w...@pacifier.com
wrote:

 I don't know if all distributions have this feature, but from the
 command line, as root, run: updatedb
 Then from the command line: locate filename
 or even just part of the file's name.
 You may want to pipe the output into a read only editor like more or less.
 Wayne


 On 02/12/2015 08:09 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote:
  On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 08:01:25PM -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote:
  In the present instance I am trying to find the executable for
  Ristretto image viewer.
  From a command line:
   which ristretto
 
  which will print out the full path to the program.  Provided it is in
 your path.
 
  Alternatively you can use whatever your menu editor is to find the path
 information by
  editing the entry for the application.
 


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Re: [PLUG] GIMP alternatives (grump)

[Nat Taylor]

http://lifehacker.com/how-to-make-the-gimp-work-more-like-photoshop-1551318983

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com
wrote:

 On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Keith Lofstrom wrote:

  Gratuitously changing icons and placement may be flashy and give the
  appearance of progress, but it is a nuisance to relearn, when there are
 so
  many other new things to learn instead.

While all progress involves change, not all change involves progress.

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Re: [PLUG] Any Java Coders Here?

[Nat Taylor]

or, as I've never set environment variables on Windows, maybe gradle would
be easier: http://hsqldb.org/doc/guide/building-app.html#bga_gradle_invoke

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://hsqldb.org/doc/guide/building-app.html#bga_building_ant

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Patrick J. Timlick p.j.timl...@ieee.org
 wrote:

 It matters what are you installing hsqldb on. My friend google gave me
 lots
 of information from hsqldb install ubuntu.  How about you take a shot at
 it, go as far as you can in a time box and then tell us what you did and
 what happened.   We can help you from there.  Good Luck.  -- Pat

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

  And you are running LibreOffice on iPads and iPhones? And you want to
  connect LO on your iphone to a database?
 
  I am impressed!
 
  Mark
 
  On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com
 
  wrote:
 
   On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Mark Phillips wrote:
  
Are they on a network?
  
  Well, if you consider iPyones and iPads being on a network, yes.
  
   Rich
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Re: [PLUG] [SOLVED] Server-to-SMS text message service

[Nat Taylor]

I was going to suggest a prepaid phone with a cheap plan (tracfone or net10
or something?) connected to your computer via usb, and your computer sends
the messages via the phone connected to it, but a dollar a month plus 100
messages for .75 is hard to beat.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Brian Martin plug...@martinconsulting.com
 wrote:


 
  Have you looked at Pager Duty?  Maybe it's too expensive for your needs?
 

 I've looked at Pager Duty before, and it looked like a lot more than I
 really wanted.  They do service monitoring, rotating on-duty call lists,
 auto-escalation, etc.  Great services, but all I really wanted was
 someone that would take my text messages and send them for me.  The cost
 is $19/month, which is OK but I'd be paying more than I want for more
 than I need.

 Answering my own question, I found, tested, and implemented twilio.com
 this morning.  $1/month + $0.0075/message.  It has a variety of
 interfaces to send/receive messages, including something as basic as
 just calling curl (for which they provide a cut-and-paste example on
 the test page).  Their goal is to turn messages around in under 30
 seconds, though delays at the carrier are beyond their control.  You pay
 in advance for services, so I've paid them $20 and they'll run that down
 until it runs out of money, but they provide the option to automatically
 recharge the account when it falls too low.  They take payments through
 credit cards or PayPal. That's as opposed to some other services require
 me to stay on top of my balance and recharge it manually or silently
 lose service.  Twilio looks real good so far.

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Re: [PLUG] Membership tracking software?

[Nat Taylor]

I've used Civicrm it's robust and needs hosting.  I found this online never
used but seems like what u want?  If not try CRM in your searches, or I
used linux donation tracking to find this:
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Office/Finance/Grace-Donation-Manager-11849.shtml

On Wednesday, January 14, 2015, Roderick Anderson raander...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Recommendations?

 I just took on the Treasurer position for a local non-profit which
 includes tracking membership and dues.

 Currently the club (Kootenai Amateur Radio Society) is using Quick Books
 for accounting and Excel spreadsheets for membership rosters.  So here I
 am trying to get a Windows system up for QB and using a spreadsheet for
 something better done with a data base.

 Did some research (Google searches) but probably picked poor search
 terms.  Didn't get good results.
 I seem to remember some mention on the list of others working with
 membership handling.  Therefore the request for recommendations.

 Dream solution:

 First: it is FOSS.

 Second: runs on Linux or Windows.

 Third: not web based right now as I don't know the full story on the
 clubs hosting situation but could put up my own server if that is the
 better solution.

 Forth: If it is OSS, coded in Perl or ... PHP so I can feel fairly
 comfortable if hacking is needed.  C, Fortran, Basic and Python can be
 dealt with.

 As usual all thoughts, ideas, or clue-sticks are appreciated.


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Re: [PLUG] Recommended Disk Test

[Nat Taylor]

not sure about destructiveness of smartmontools and smartctl -a

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:34 PM, John Meissen j...@meissen.org wrote:


 d...@dicksteffens.com said:
  My MythTV box is scheduled to go into the shop on Monday because of an
  intermittent freeze.

 ...

  Before I take it in to the hardware gurus I want to be sure I've run
  appropriate tests. I ran memtest with no errors. What disk test should
 I  run
  that will be a non-destructive test? And, when I run it, do I need  to
 have
  the backend and MySQL shut down?

 What version are you running? You're not using that animated holiday theme
 are
 you? (That may have been unique to MythBuntu). When I tried it my frontend
 grew
 to nearly 3GB before I caught it. If I hadn't I would have eventually run
 out
 of memory and swap space.

 Have you looked in the log files for anything interesting?

 Is this a traditional system with cpu and case fans? I assume you've looked
 inside and would notice, but I've had systems suffer from random lockups
 due to
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Re: [PLUG] Recommended Disk Test

[Nat Taylor]

all those Pre-Fail and Old_ages look suspicious...

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Dick Steffens d...@dicksteffens.com
wrote:

 On 01/13/2015 01:02 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:
  not sure about destructiveness of smartmontools and smartctl -a

 Looks like it's non-destructive. I got this, which appears to say the
 disk is fine, unless I misinterpreted something:

 rsteff@ThinkCentre-M58p:~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
 smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [x86_64-linux-3.5.0-18-generic] (local
 build)
 Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

 === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
 Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12
 Device Model: ST3320418AS
 Serial Number:6VM97DR5
 LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 01ed8e39b
 Firmware Version: CC66
 User Capacity:320,072,933,376 bytes [320 GB]
 Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
 Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
 ATA Version is:   8
 ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 4
 Local Time is:Tue Jan 13 13:15:37 2015 PST
 SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
 SMART support is: Enabled

 === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
 SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

 General SMART Values:
 Offline data collection status:  (0x82)Offline data collection activity
  was completed without error.
  Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
 Self-test execution status:  (   0)The previous self-test
 routine completed
  without error or no self-test has ever
  been run.
 Total time to complete Offline
 data collection: (  625) seconds.
 Offline data collection
 capabilities:  (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
  Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
  Suspend Offline collection upon new
  command.
  Offline surface scan supported.
  Self-test supported.
  Conveyance Self-test supported.
  Selective Self-test supported.
 SMART capabilities:(0x0003)Saves SMART data before entering
  power-saving mode.
  Supports SMART auto save timer.
 Error logging capability:(0x01)Error logging supported.
  General Purpose Logging supported.
 Short self-test routine
 recommended polling time:  (   1) minutes.
 Extended self-test routine
 recommended polling time:  (  68) minutes.
 Conveyance self-test routine
 recommended polling time:  (   2) minutes.
 SCT capabilities:(0x103f)SCT Status supported.
  SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
  SCT Feature Control supported.
  SCT Data Table supported.

 SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
 ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED
 WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f   117   099   006Pre-fail
 Always   -   148741208
3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   097   097   000Pre-fail
 Always   -   0
4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100   100   020Old_age
 Always   -   934
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail
 Always   -   0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f   084   060   030Pre-fail
 Always   -   259660219
9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   058   058   000Old_age
 Always   -   37456
   10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013   100   100   097Pre-fail
 Always   -   0
   12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   020Old_age
 Always   -   466
 183 Runtime_Bad_Block   0x0032   100   100   000Old_age
 Always   -   0
 184 End-to-End_Error0x0032   100   100   099Old_age
 Always   -   0
 187 Reported_Uncorrect  0x0032   100   100   000Old_age
 Always   -   0
 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032   100   098   000Old_age
 Always   -   66256
 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a   100   100   000Old_age
 Always   -   0
 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   065   052   045Old_age
 Always   -   35 (Min/Max 31/44)
 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   035   048   000Old_age
 Always   -   35 (0 9 0 0)
 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   048   033   000Old_age
 Always   -   148741208
 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000Old_age
 Always   -   0
 198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000Old_age
 Offline  -   0
 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x003e   200   200   000Old_age
 Always   -   0
 240 Head_Flying_Hours   0x   100   253   000Old_age
 Offline  -   272674588759705
 241 Total_LBAs_Written

Re: [PLUG] Recommended Disk Test

[Nat Taylor]

 9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   058   058   000Old_age
Always   -   37456
  10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013   100   100   097Pre-fail
Always   -   0
  12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   020Old_age
Always   -   466

-thats 37456 Power_On_Hours and 466 Power_Cycle_Count

My guess is that you're right on about your disk getting old, and should
replace asap


On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote:

 all those Pre-Fail and Old_ages look suspicious...

 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Dick Steffens d...@dicksteffens.com
 wrote:

 On 01/13/2015 01:02 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:
  not sure about destructiveness of smartmontools and smartctl -a

 Looks like it's non-destructive. I got this, which appears to say the
 disk is fine, unless I misinterpreted something:

 rsteff@ThinkCentre-M58p:~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
 smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [x86_64-linux-3.5.0-18-generic] (local
 build)
 Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen,
 http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

 === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
 Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12
 Device Model: ST3320418AS
 Serial Number:6VM97DR5
 LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 01ed8e39b
 Firmware Version: CC66
 User Capacity:320,072,933,376 bytes [320 GB]
 Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
 Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
 ATA Version is:   8
 ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 4
 Local Time is:Tue Jan 13 13:15:37 2015 PST
 SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
 SMART support is: Enabled

 === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
 SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

 General SMART Values:
 Offline data collection status:  (0x82)Offline data collection
 activity
  was completed without error.
  Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
 Self-test execution status:  (   0)The previous self-test
 routine completed
  without error or no self-test has ever
  been run.
 Total time to complete Offline
 data collection: (  625) seconds.
 Offline data collection
 capabilities:  (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
  Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
  Suspend Offline collection upon new
  command.
  Offline surface scan supported.
  Self-test supported.
  Conveyance Self-test supported.
  Selective Self-test supported.
 SMART capabilities:(0x0003)Saves SMART data before
 entering
  power-saving mode.
  Supports SMART auto save timer.
 Error logging capability:(0x01)Error logging supported.
  General Purpose Logging supported.
 Short self-test routine
 recommended polling time:  (   1) minutes.
 Extended self-test routine
 recommended polling time:  (  68) minutes.
 Conveyance self-test routine
 recommended polling time:  (   2) minutes.
 SCT capabilities:(0x103f)SCT Status supported.
  SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
  SCT Feature Control supported.
  SCT Data Table supported.

 SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
 ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED
 WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f   117   099   006Pre-fail
 Always   -   148741208
3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   097   097   000Pre-fail
 Always   -   0
4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100   100   020Old_age
 Always   -   934
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail
 Always   -   0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f   084   060   030Pre-fail
 Always   -   259660219
9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   058   058   000Old_age
 Always   -   37456
   10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013   100   100   097Pre-fail
 Always   -   0
   12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   020Old_age
 Always   -   466
 183 Runtime_Bad_Block   0x0032   100   100   000Old_age
 Always   -   0
 184 End-to-End_Error0x0032   100   100   099Old_age
 Always   -   0
 187 Reported_Uncorrect  0x0032   100   100   000Old_age
 Always   -   0
 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032   100   098   000Old_age
 Always   -   66256
 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a   100   100   000Old_age
 Always   -   0
 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   065   052   045Old_age
 Always   -   35 (Min/Max 31/44)
 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   035   048   000Old_age
 Always   -   35 (0 9 0 0

Re: [PLUG] OT: Debian

[Nat Taylor]

(sudo) apt-get install cinnamon-desktop
(Or mate-desktop ). Or maybe not the -desktop part
On Dec 24, 2014 8:15 AM, Marvin Kosmal mkos...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 This is off topic.

 Just installed Debian 7.7

 Does anyone know how to switch desktops?

 TIA

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Re: [PLUG] OT: Debian

[Nat Taylor]

Actually, its cinnamon-desktop-environment for the whole shebang.  You can
install thru the GUI package manager too.   And when u boot, before you
login, there's a widget somewhere, possibly artfully disguised, that you
use to switch 
On Dec 24, 2014 11:45 AM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote:

 (sudo) apt-get install cinnamon-desktop
 (Or mate-desktop ). Or maybe not the -desktop part
 On Dec 24, 2014 8:15 AM, Marvin Kosmal mkos...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 This is off topic.

 Just installed Debian 7.7

 Does anyone know how to switch desktops?

 TIA

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Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]

[Nat Taylor]

sure, I'd do it, or you could get someone from fiverr.com to do it, dl and
burn the results of http://cgi.build.live-systems.org/cgi-bin/live-build
that he set up...

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Russell Senior russ...@personaltelco.net
wrote:

  Robert == Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.com writes:

 Robert I am still unclear on exactly what this problem is.

 Robert Is it wanting to install Debian on a local system?  Is it
 Robert wanting to create a customize Debian, i.e. your own distro?  Is
 Robert it wanting to get familiar with using Debian?  Something else?

 Robert Each question has its own set of optimal solutions.  For
 Robert example, of you want to become more familiar with using Debian,
 Robert one solution would be to fire up a cloud instance and ssh in.
 Robert You would be up and running in seconds for pennies an hour.

 The challenge, iirc, is that the protagonist here is tube challenged.
 That is, his acess to the intarwebs is rather constricted by
 contemporary standards.


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