Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
Thanks for all the comments. Here are some of mine. My first mistake was running the upgrade from the popup window in 14.04. That was pretty much a disaster. It resulted in a blank screen and the only thing I could do was ssh in and try to fix it. LOTS of wasted time. I must preface all this with the fact that I haven't done any of this setup stuff or even much command line use in well over a year. I'm an old man and memory is not what it used to be, so things are slow to come back. Finally realizing using the upgrade tool was probably not a good plan, I also discovered the 40 GB drive didn't have a lot of free space. I grabbed a 500 gig drive (smallest I could find, cost less than the 40 gig drive did a few years ago), downloaded the 16.04 iso, dumped it to a flash drive and installed it in a couple minutes. Screens and everything came up fine. Picked up a USB drive adapter when I got the new hard drive. Hooked up the old drive via the adapter and copied all my data files over and all was good. The aforementioned network issue was a challenge. As I said, it has been a while since I have done any of this and many changes have come to pass. First, I find ifconfig is deprecated, replaced by ip addr and ip link, etc. I had to learn these new commands and what they were telling me. Then I discover eth0 is no more, replaced in my case by enp3s0. Further confused by the fact that the interface name is dependent on the actual hardware location and other details, so the name will vary between computers. This made Google searches on the subject problematic. As it turned out, since the network was not seen during the installation process, certain configuration items were not automatically set up. All in all it was an interesting and educational experience. Despite the frustration, I found lots of readily available help and information. I still much prefer Linux over Windows. Thanks again for everyone's help. Michael On May 17, 2017 00:08, "Tom" wrote: > Trouble shooting the presence of the ethernet link is relatively easy. > Here are a few suggestion from my limited tool box. > Following commands will show if the link is UP - if it sees a carrier > from the switch - opposite side of the cable. > old fashioned: /sbin/ifconfig will print the link status (note UP and > Tx/Rx status/errors/collisions/etc.) > > /sbin/ifconfig > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 50:7B:9D:04:AB:53 > inet addr:192.168.1.230 Bcast:192.168.1.255 > Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::527b:9dff:fe04:ab53/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:5690410 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:1338157 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:8161292947 (7783.2 Mb) TX bytes:134265512 (128.0 > Mb) > Interrupt:20 Memory:f120-f122 > loLink encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:65536 Metric:1 > RX packets:135 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:135 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:10123 (9.8 Kb) TX bytes:10123 (9.8 Kb) > New equivalent: ip address will print more or less the same > information. Note the presence of UP/DOWN, and the fact that ifconfig > did not show the disabled wlan0 interface > > ip address > 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN > group default > link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 > inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > inet6 ::1/128 scope host >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast > state UP group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 50:7b:9d:04:ab:53 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > inet 192.168.1.230/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global dynamic eth0 >valid_lft 81579sec preferred_lft 81579sec > inet6 fe80::527b:9dff:fe04:ab53/64 scope link >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > 3: wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group > default qlen 1000 > link/ether 94:65:9c:91:72:a6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > Alternatively command "ip link" will just narrow down the print out to > link relevant info: > > ip link > 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN > mode DEFAULT group default > link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 > 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast > state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 50:7b:9d:04:ab:53 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > 3: wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode > DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 94:65:9c:91:72:a6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > Now when I unplug the ethernet cable (Note eth0 went DOWN and NO > -CARRIER): > > ip link > 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN > mode DEFAULT gr
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
Trouble shooting the presence of the ethernet link is relatively easy. Here are a few suggestion from my limited tool box. Following commands will show if the link is UP - if it sees a carrier from the switch - opposite side of the cable. old fashioned: /sbin/ifconfig will print the link status (note UP and Tx/Rx status/errors/collisions/etc.) > /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 50:7B:9D:04:AB:53 inet addr:192.168.1.230 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::527b:9dff:fe04:ab53/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:5690410 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1338157 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:8161292947 (7783.2 Mb) TX bytes:134265512 (128.0 Mb) Interrupt:20 Memory:f120-f122 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:65536 Metric:1 RX packets:135 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:135 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:10123 (9.8 Kb) TX bytes:10123 (9.8 Kb) New equivalent: ip address will print more or less the same information. Note the presence of UP/DOWN, and the fact that ifconfig did not show the disabled wlan0 interface > ip address 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever inet6 ::1/128 scope host valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000 link/ether 50:7b:9d:04:ab:53 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.1.230/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global dynamic eth0 valid_lft 81579sec preferred_lft 81579sec inet6 fe80::527b:9dff:fe04:ab53/64 scope link valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 3: wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000 link/ether 94:65:9c:91:72:a6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Alternatively command "ip link" will just narrow down the print out to link relevant info: > ip link 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether 50:7b:9d:04:ab:53 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 3: wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether 94:65:9c:91:72:a6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Now when I unplug the ethernet cable (Note eth0 went DOWN and NO -CARRIER): > ip link 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether 50:7b:9d:04:ab:53 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 3: wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether 94:65:9c:91:72:a6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff As about the interface naming that depends on your kernel/distro/device. This is example for enp3s0: Realtek RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller on kernel 3.16.7-53: > ip link 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 2: enp3s0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether 70:85:c2:07:47:ab brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > /usr/sbin/hwinfo --netcard 19: PCI 300.0: 0200 Ethernet controller [Created at pci.328] Unique ID: UOJ9.sw6bxR4vqR7 Parent ID: hoOk.6EfNe3ljZ_F SysFS ID: /devices/pci:00/:00:1c.2/:03:00.0 SysFS BusID: :03:00.0 Hardware Class: network Model: "Realtek RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller" Vendor: pci 0x10ec "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd." Device: pci 0x8168 "RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller" SubVendor: pci 0x1849 "ASRock Incorporation" SubDevice: pci 0x8168 "Motherboard (one of many)" Revision: 0x11 Driver: "r8169" Driver Modules: "r8169" Device File: enp3s0 I/O Ports: 0xe000-0xefff (rw) Memory Range: 0x91304000-0x91304fff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0x9130-0x91303fff (ro,non-prefetchable) IRQ: 138 (81048274 events) HW Address: 70:85:c2:07:47:ab Link detected: yes Module Alias: "pci:v10ECd8168sv1849sd8168bc02sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: r8169 is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe r8169" Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #15 (PCI bridge) ifconfig can also configure some aspects of the interface, such as bring it up/down: sudo /sbin/ifconfig -s eth0 down sudo /sbi
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
I don't think you should be embarrassed about that! That would be one of the hardest things for me to troubleshoot, too. (Mainly because I would fight *everything* else before I even started to suspect the cable. They just work.) Actually it sounded to me like you caught onto it pretty quickly. I would only suspect a simple cable as an absolute last resort, especially if it was known to be working right before. On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > Red face. Turns out I had a bad Ethernet cable. It was working fine, but > after I moved the computer while installing the new hard drive, it quit > working. All fine now. Thanks for everyone's comments. > > Michael > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:33 AM, wes wrote: > > > well, I don't have any more ideas for you right now, but if you don't get > > it figured out by this weekend, the PLUG Clinic is this Sunday, 1-5pm. > > > > 1731 SE 10th Ave, 97214. > > > > -wes > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Michael Barnes > > wrote: > > > > > It also looks like it is not using IPV4, only IPV6. Strange. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Michael Barnes < > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > More info seems to lead to more questions. Apparently this has > > something > > > > to do with systemd. I guess this is a new (to me) thing and it > changes > > > the > > > > way stuff is named. So, what used to be eth0 is now enp3s0. But, > trying > > > the > > > > usual network commands with that don't work either. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, wes wrote: > > > > > > > >> my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci > output, > > > and > > > >> the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's > > > posted > > > >> a > > > >> guide. > > > >> > > > >> -wes > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes < > > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only took a > > few > > > >> > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, so > > far, > > > >> no > > > >> > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please > > > forgive > > > >> > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. Using > > > >> lspci, I > > > >> > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but under > > > >> > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does not > > > show > > > >> > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get > > > "Unknown > > > >> > interface eth0." > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed of > > the > > > >> > install. I wonder what else will not be working? > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your comments, > > > >> > > > > >> > Michael > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes < > > > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all > over. > > > It > > > >> > > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still > > intact. > > > >> I'll > > > >> > > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, > > then > > > >> copy > > > >> > > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for > > everyone's > > > >> > > comments. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Michael > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to > > > >> > >> automagically > > > >> > >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure > xorg* > > > and > > > >> a > > > >> > >> *sudo > > > >> > >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* > > > >> > >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) > > > >> > >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade > and > > do > > > >> you > > > >> > >> need to reenable it? > > > >> > >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the > sources, > > or > > > >> did > > > >> > >> you > > > >> > >> use the tool in the Software Center, or did you > > do-release-upgrade > > > >> from > > > >> > >> the > > > >> > >> command line? > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes < > > > >> barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > >> > >> wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done > > > that. > > > >> > >> > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems > > I've > > > >> > >> forgotten > > > >> > >> > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. > > I'll > > > >> have > > > >> > >> to > > > >> > >> > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two > > > >> > versions. > > > >> > >> > Just have to remember
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
On 05/16/2017 12:46 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: > > I am running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on a System 76 Gazellle (great machine!) and > have been contemplating upgrading to 16.xx. However, I am concerned that it > will be a giant headache. I can't take this machine out of service to fix a > ton of upgrade problems. > > Any suggestions on the best way to upgrade? I have two SSDs in the machine > now, mirror images of each other. I would hate to have to buy two more SSDs > and suffer through the setup process > I also have a Gazelle, love it. I downloaded the installer image and pu it on a usb drive and upgraded from 14.04 to 16.LTS without a hitch. I have a single ssd in mine, and the upgrade flew by in the blink of an eye. Joe Shisei Niski Portland, Oregon, USA 至誠 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
Stop mirroring for a sec and upgrade or fresh install on one. Honestly, if you don't have a lot of foreign packages and you use the upgrade tool it should go smooth. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:49 PM Mark Phillips wrote: > Michael, > > Happy to hear the problem with the upgrade was just a cable! > > I am running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on a System 76 Gazellle (great machine!) and > have been contemplating upgrading to 16.xx. However, I am concerned that it > will be a giant headache. I can't take this machine out of service to fix a > ton of upgrade problems. > > Any suggestions on the best way to upgrade? I have two SSDs in the machine > now, mirror images of each other. I would hate to have to buy two more SSDs > and suffer through the setup process > > Thanks for any suggestions! > > Mark > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Michael Barnes > wrote: > > > Red face. Turns out I had a bad Ethernet cable. It was working fine, but > > after I moved the computer while installing the new hard drive, it quit > > working. All fine now. Thanks for everyone's comments. > > > > Michael > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:33 AM, wes wrote: > > > > > well, I don't have any more ideas for you right now, but if you don't > get > > > it figured out by this weekend, the PLUG Clinic is this Sunday, 1-5pm. > > > > > > 1731 SE 10th Ave, 97214. > > > > > > -wes > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Michael Barnes < > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > It also looks like it is not using IPV4, only IPV6. Strange. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Michael Barnes < > > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > More info seems to lead to more questions. Apparently this has > > > something > > > > > to do with systemd. I guess this is a new (to me) thing and it > > changes > > > > the > > > > > way stuff is named. So, what used to be eth0 is now enp3s0. But, > > trying > > > > the > > > > > usual network commands with that don't work either. > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, wes wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci > > output, > > > > and > > > > >> the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's > > > > posted > > > > >> a > > > > >> guide. > > > > >> > > > > >> -wes > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes < > > > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only > took a > > > few > > > > >> > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, > so > > > far, > > > > >> no > > > > >> > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please > > > > forgive > > > > >> > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. > Using > > > > >> lspci, I > > > > >> > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but > under > > > > >> > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does > not > > > > show > > > > >> > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get > > > > "Unknown > > > > >> > interface eth0." > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed > of > > > the > > > > >> > install. I wonder what else will not be working? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Thanks for your comments, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Michael > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes < > > > > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all > > over. > > > > It > > > > >> > > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still > > > intact. > > > > >> I'll > > > > >> > > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from > scratch, > > > then > > > > >> copy > > > > >> > > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for > > > everyone's > > > > >> > > comments. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Michael > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor < > biob...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to > > > > >> > >> automagically > > > > >> > >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure > > xorg* > > > > and > > > > >> a > > > > >> > >> *sudo > > > > >> > >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* > > > > >> > >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) > > > > >> > >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade > > and > > > do > > > > >> you > > > > >> > >> need to reenable it? > > > > >> > >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the > > sources, > > > or > > > > >> did > > > > >> > >> you > > > > >> > >> use the tool in the
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
Michael, Happy to hear the problem with the upgrade was just a cable! I am running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on a System 76 Gazellle (great machine!) and have been contemplating upgrading to 16.xx. However, I am concerned that it will be a giant headache. I can't take this machine out of service to fix a ton of upgrade problems. Any suggestions on the best way to upgrade? I have two SSDs in the machine now, mirror images of each other. I would hate to have to buy two more SSDs and suffer through the setup process Thanks for any suggestions! Mark On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > Red face. Turns out I had a bad Ethernet cable. It was working fine, but > after I moved the computer while installing the new hard drive, it quit > working. All fine now. Thanks for everyone's comments. > > Michael > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:33 AM, wes wrote: > > > well, I don't have any more ideas for you right now, but if you don't get > > it figured out by this weekend, the PLUG Clinic is this Sunday, 1-5pm. > > > > 1731 SE 10th Ave, 97214. > > > > -wes > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Michael Barnes > > wrote: > > > > > It also looks like it is not using IPV4, only IPV6. Strange. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Michael Barnes < > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > More info seems to lead to more questions. Apparently this has > > something > > > > to do with systemd. I guess this is a new (to me) thing and it > changes > > > the > > > > way stuff is named. So, what used to be eth0 is now enp3s0. But, > trying > > > the > > > > usual network commands with that don't work either. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, wes wrote: > > > > > > > >> my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci > output, > > > and > > > >> the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's > > > posted > > > >> a > > > >> guide. > > > >> > > > >> -wes > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes < > > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only took a > > few > > > >> > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, so > > far, > > > >> no > > > >> > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please > > > forgive > > > >> > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. Using > > > >> lspci, I > > > >> > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but under > > > >> > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does not > > > show > > > >> > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get > > > "Unknown > > > >> > interface eth0." > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed of > > the > > > >> > install. I wonder what else will not be working? > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your comments, > > > >> > > > > >> > Michael > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes < > > > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all > over. > > > It > > > >> > > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still > > intact. > > > >> I'll > > > >> > > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, > > then > > > >> copy > > > >> > > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for > > everyone's > > > >> > > comments. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Michael > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to > > > >> > >> automagically > > > >> > >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure > xorg* > > > and > > > >> a > > > >> > >> *sudo > > > >> > >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* > > > >> > >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) > > > >> > >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade > and > > do > > > >> you > > > >> > >> need to reenable it? > > > >> > >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the > sources, > > or > > > >> did > > > >> > >> you > > > >> > >> use the tool in the Software Center, or did you > > do-release-upgrade > > > >> from > > > >> > >> the > > > >> > >> command line? > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes < > > > >> barnmich...@gmail.com> > > > >> > >> wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done > > > that. > > > >> > >> > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems > > I've > > > >> > >> forgotten > > > >> > >> > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. > > I'll > > > >> have > > > >> > >> to
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
Red face. Turns out I had a bad Ethernet cable. It was working fine, but after I moved the computer while installing the new hard drive, it quit working. All fine now. Thanks for everyone's comments. Michael On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:33 AM, wes wrote: > well, I don't have any more ideas for you right now, but if you don't get > it figured out by this weekend, the PLUG Clinic is this Sunday, 1-5pm. > > 1731 SE 10th Ave, 97214. > > -wes > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Michael Barnes > wrote: > > > It also looks like it is not using IPV4, only IPV6. Strange. > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Michael Barnes > > wrote: > > > > > More info seems to lead to more questions. Apparently this has > something > > > to do with systemd. I guess this is a new (to me) thing and it changes > > the > > > way stuff is named. So, what used to be eth0 is now enp3s0. But, trying > > the > > > usual network commands with that don't work either. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, wes wrote: > > > > > >> my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci output, > > and > > >> the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's > > posted > > >> a > > >> guide. > > >> > > >> -wes > > >> > > >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes < > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only took a > few > > >> > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, so > far, > > >> no > > >> > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please > > forgive > > >> > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. Using > > >> lspci, I > > >> > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but under > > >> > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does not > > show > > >> > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get > > "Unknown > > >> > interface eth0." > > >> > > > >> > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed of > the > > >> > install. I wonder what else will not be working? > > >> > > > >> > Thanks for your comments, > > >> > > > >> > Michael > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes < > > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all over. > > It > > >> > > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still > intact. > > >> I'll > > >> > > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, > then > > >> copy > > >> > > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for > everyone's > > >> > > comments. > > >> > > > > >> > > Michael > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to > > >> > >> automagically > > >> > >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* > > and > > >> a > > >> > >> *sudo > > >> > >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* > > >> > >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) > > >> > >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and > do > > >> you > > >> > >> need to reenable it? > > >> > >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, > or > > >> did > > >> > >> you > > >> > >> use the tool in the Software Center, or did you > do-release-upgrade > > >> from > > >> > >> the > > >> > >> command line? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes < > > >> barnmich...@gmail.com> > > >> > >> wrote: > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done > > that. > > >> > >> > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems > I've > > >> > >> forgotten > > >> > >> > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. > I'll > > >> have > > >> > >> to > > >> > >> > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two > > >> > versions. > > >> > >> > Just have to remember how to do all that. > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Michael > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig < > > >> kingbeow...@gmail.com > > >> > > > > >> > >> > wrote: > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Michael > > >> > >> > > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most > > >> likely > > >> > >> > > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or > correctly. > > >> This > > >> > >> is > > >> > >> > > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any > proprietary > > >> > >> hardware > > >> > >> > > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the > > >> > command > > >> > >> > line > > >> > >> > > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it > Ubuntu > > >> > >> switched > > >> > >> > to > >
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
well, I don't have any more ideas for you right now, but if you don't get it figured out by this weekend, the PLUG Clinic is this Sunday, 1-5pm. 1731 SE 10th Ave, 97214. -wes On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > It also looks like it is not using IPV4, only IPV6. Strange. > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Michael Barnes > wrote: > > > More info seems to lead to more questions. Apparently this has something > > to do with systemd. I guess this is a new (to me) thing and it changes > the > > way stuff is named. So, what used to be eth0 is now enp3s0. But, trying > the > > usual network commands with that don't work either. > > > > Michael > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, wes wrote: > > > >> my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci output, > and > >> the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's > posted > >> a > >> guide. > >> > >> -wes > >> > >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only took a few > >> > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, so far, > >> no > >> > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please > forgive > >> > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. Using > >> lspci, I > >> > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but under > >> > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does not > show > >> > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get > "Unknown > >> > interface eth0." > >> > > >> > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed of the > >> > install. I wonder what else will not be working? > >> > > >> > Thanks for your comments, > >> > > >> > Michael > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes < > barnmich...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all over. > It > >> > > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still intact. > >> I'll > >> > > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, then > >> copy > >> > > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for everyone's > >> > > comments. > >> > > > >> > > Michael > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to > >> > >> automagically > >> > >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* > and > >> a > >> > >> *sudo > >> > >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* > >> > >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) > >> > >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and do > >> you > >> > >> need to reenable it? > >> > >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ > >> > >> > >> > >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, or > >> did > >> > >> you > >> > >> use the tool in the Software Center, or did you do-release-upgrade > >> from > >> > >> the > >> > >> command line? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes < > >> barnmich...@gmail.com> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done > that. > >> > >> > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've > >> > >> forgotten > >> > >> > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll > >> have > >> > >> to > >> > >> > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two > >> > versions. > >> > >> > Just have to remember how to do all that. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Michael > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig < > >> kingbeow...@gmail.com > >> > > > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Michael > >> > >> > > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most > >> likely > >> > >> > > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. > >> This > >> > >> is > >> > >> > > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary > >> > >> hardware > >> > >> > > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the > >> > command > >> > >> > line > >> > >> > > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu > >> > >> switched > >> > >> > to > >> > >> > > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember > to > >> > read > >> > >> the > >> > >> > > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will > certainly > >> > work. > >> > >> > > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" > >> > fixes. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Ed > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens < > >> > d...@dicksteffens.com> > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
It also looks like it is not using IPV4, only IPV6. Strange. On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > More info seems to lead to more questions. Apparently this has something > to do with systemd. I guess this is a new (to me) thing and it changes the > way stuff is named. So, what used to be eth0 is now enp3s0. But, trying the > usual network commands with that don't work either. > > Michael > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, wes wrote: > >> my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci output, and >> the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's posted >> a >> guide. >> >> -wes >> >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes >> wrote: >> >> > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only took a few >> > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, so far, >> no >> > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please forgive >> > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. Using >> lspci, I >> > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but under >> > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does not show >> > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get "Unknown >> > interface eth0." >> > >> > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed of the >> > install. I wonder what else will not be working? >> > >> > Thanks for your comments, >> > >> > Michael >> > >> > >> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all over. It >> > > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still intact. >> I'll >> > > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, then >> copy >> > > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for everyone's >> > > comments. >> > > >> > > Michael >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor >> wrote: >> > > >> > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to >> > >> automagically >> > >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* and >> a >> > >> *sudo >> > >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* >> > >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) >> > >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and do >> you >> > >> need to reenable it? >> > >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ >> > >> >> > >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, or >> did >> > >> you >> > >> use the tool in the Software Center, or did you do-release-upgrade >> from >> > >> the >> > >> command line? >> > >> >> > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes < >> barnmich...@gmail.com> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done that. >> > >> > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've >> > >> forgotten >> > >> > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll >> have >> > >> to >> > >> > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two >> > versions. >> > >> > Just have to remember how to do all that. >> > >> > >> > >> > Michael >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig < >> kingbeow...@gmail.com >> > > >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > Michael >> > >> > > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most >> likely >> > >> > > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. >> This >> > >> is >> > >> > > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary >> > >> hardware >> > >> > > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the >> > command >> > >> > line >> > >> > > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu >> > >> switched >> > >> > to >> > >> > > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember to >> > read >> > >> the >> > >> > > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly >> > work. >> > >> > > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" >> > fixes. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Ed >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens < >> > d...@dicksteffens.com> >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: >> > >> > > >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. >> > Everything >> > >> > came >> > >> > > up >> > >> > > >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 >> is >> > out >> > >> > > dated >> > >> > > >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, >> > so I >> > >> > > know at >> > >> > > >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub >> screen >> > >> > choose >> > >> > > >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown >> from >> > >> > re
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
More info seems to lead to more questions. Apparently this has something to do with systemd. I guess this is a new (to me) thing and it changes the way stuff is named. So, what used to be eth0 is now enp3s0. But, trying the usual network commands with that don't work either. Michael On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, wes wrote: > my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci output, and > the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's posted a > guide. > > -wes > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes > wrote: > > > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only took a few > > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, so far, no > > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please forgive > > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. Using lspci, > I > > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but under > > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does not show > > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get "Unknown > > interface eth0." > > > > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed of the > > install. I wonder what else will not be working? > > > > Thanks for your comments, > > > > Michael > > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes > > wrote: > > > > > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all over. It > > > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still intact. > I'll > > > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, then > copy > > > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for everyone's > > > comments. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor > wrote: > > > > > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to > > >> automagically > > >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* and a > > >> *sudo > > >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* > > >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) > > >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and do > you > > >> need to reenable it? > > >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ > > >> > > >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, or > did > > >> you > > >> use the tool in the Software Center, or did you do-release-upgrade > from > > >> the > > >> command line? > > >> > > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes < > barnmich...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done that. > > >> > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've > > >> forgotten > > >> > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll > have > > >> to > > >> > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two > > versions. > > >> > Just have to remember how to do all that. > > >> > > > >> > Michael > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig < > kingbeow...@gmail.com > > > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Michael > > >> > > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most > likely > > >> > > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. > This > > >> is > > >> > > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary > > >> hardware > > >> > > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the > > command > > >> > line > > >> > > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu > > >> switched > > >> > to > > >> > > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember to > > read > > >> the > > >> > > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" > > >> > > > > >> > > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly > > work. > > >> > > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" > > fixes. > > >> > > > > >> > > Ed > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens < > > d...@dicksteffens.com> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: > > >> > > >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. > > Everything > > >> > came > > >> > > up > > >> > > >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is > > out > > >> > > dated > > >> > > >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, > > so I > > >> > > know at > > >> > > >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub > screen > > >> > choose > > >> > > >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown > from > > >> > remote > > >> > > >> session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power > > off. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the > > >> advice > > >> > of > > >> > > > others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move >
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
my first step is usually to find the model number in the lspci output, and the google that number along with ubuntu 16.04 and see if anyone's posted a guide. -wes On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only took a few > minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, so far, no > network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please forgive > the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. Using lspci, I > find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but under > 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does not show > eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get "Unknown > interface eth0." > > I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed of the > install. I wonder what else will not be working? > > Thanks for your comments, > > Michael > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes > wrote: > > > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all over. It > > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still intact. I'll > > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, then copy > > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for everyone's > > comments. > > > > Michael > > > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor wrote: > > > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to > >> automagically > >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* and a > >> *sudo > >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* > >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) > >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and do you > >> need to reenable it? > >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ > >> > >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, or did > >> you > >> use the tool in the Software Center, or did you do-release-upgrade from > >> the > >> command line? > >> > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done that. > >> > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've > >> forgotten > >> > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll have > >> to > >> > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two > versions. > >> > Just have to remember how to do all that. > >> > > >> > Michael > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Michael > >> > > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most likely > >> > > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. This > >> is > >> > > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary > >> hardware > >> > > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the > command > >> > line > >> > > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu > >> switched > >> > to > >> > > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember to > read > >> the > >> > > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" > >> > > > >> > > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly > work. > >> > > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" > fixes. > >> > > > >> > > Ed > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens < > d...@dicksteffens.com> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: > >> > > >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. > Everything > >> > came > >> > > up > >> > > >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is > out > >> > > dated > >> > > >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, > so I > >> > > know at > >> > > >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen > >> > choose > >> > > >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from > >> > remote > >> > > >> session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power > off. > >> > > > > >> > > > Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the > >> advice > >> > of > >> > > > others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move from > >> one > >> > > > Ubuntu release to another, but should start with a fresh install. > I > >> > have > >> > > > gone from Ubuntu 10 to 12 to 14, and am slowly moving to 16. Each > >> time > >> > I > >> > > > had the luxury of being able to at least put in a fresh hard drive > >> for > >> > > > the new version, and then mount the old hard drive to be able to > >> copy > >> > > > files as needed. I don't think any of the episodes has been > >> painless, > >> > > > since it seems there's always something big that changes so that > it > >> > > > doesn't work the way it did in the previous version, but I have > >> always > >> > > > been able to get past
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
Installed 16.04 LTS via flash drive to new hard drive. Only took a few minutes! Previous DVD installs took much, much longer. Anyhow, so far, no network. Sadly, my Linux memory has become very foggy, so please forgive the noobie type questions. I don't seem to be finding eth0. Using lspci, I find the info for the onboard Broadcom Ethernet adapter, but under 'Capabilities' it says ". Running ifconfig does not show eth0, but it does show enp3s0. If I try "sudo ifup eth0" I get "Unknown interface eth0." I'm kind of surprised at the minimum of questions and the speed of the install. I wonder what else will not be working? Thanks for your comments, Michael On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all over. It > looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still intact. I'll > just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, then copy > what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for everyone's > comments. > > Michael > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor wrote: > >> instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to >> automagically >> configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* and a >> *sudo >> apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* >> Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) >> -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and do you >> need to reenable it? >> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ >> >> Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, or did >> you >> use the tool in the Software Center, or did you do-release-upgrade from >> the >> command line? >> >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes >> wrote: >> >> > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done that. >> > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've >> forgotten >> > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll have >> to >> > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two versions. >> > Just have to remember how to do all that. >> > >> > Michael >> > >> > >> > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Michael >> > > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most likely >> > > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. This >> is >> > > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary >> hardware >> > > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the command >> > line >> > > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu >> switched >> > to >> > > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember to read >> the >> > > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" >> > > >> > > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly work. >> > > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" fixes. >> > > >> > > Ed >> > > >> > > >> > > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: >> > > >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. Everything >> > came >> > > up >> > > >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is out >> > > dated >> > > >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, so I >> > > know at >> > > >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen >> > choose >> > > >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from >> > remote >> > > >> session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power off. >> > > > >> > > > Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the >> advice >> > of >> > > > others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move from >> one >> > > > Ubuntu release to another, but should start with a fresh install. I >> > have >> > > > gone from Ubuntu 10 to 12 to 14, and am slowly moving to 16. Each >> time >> > I >> > > > had the luxury of being able to at least put in a fresh hard drive >> for >> > > > the new version, and then mount the old hard drive to be able to >> copy >> > > > files as needed. I don't think any of the episodes has been >> painless, >> > > > since it seems there's always something big that changes so that it >> > > > doesn't work the way it did in the previous version, but I have >> always >> > > > been able to get past it, often with the help of folks on this list. >> > > > >> > > > So, in your case, I'd recommend using Grub to boot to your previous >> > > > version, find a way to back up all your important files, and >> install 16 >> > > > from scratch. Better would be to have two machines, but not everyone >> > has >> > > > that luxury. I'm happy that I do have that option this time, because >> > > > there are a handful of things I have yet to be able to figure out >> how >> > to >> > > > do in 16 that I need on at l
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
I figured the quickest and easiest was probably to start all over. It looks like all my files, pictures, documents, etc. are still intact. I'll just stick in a new hard drive, install 16.04 LTS from scratch, then copy what I need from the old drive to the new one. Thanks for everyone's comments. Michael On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Nat Taylor wrote: > instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to automagically > configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* and a > *sudo > apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* > Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) > -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and do you > need to reenable it? > Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ > > Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, or did you > use the tool in the Software Center, or did you do-release-upgrade from the > command line? > > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes > wrote: > > > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done that. > > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've > forgotten > > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll have to > > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two versions. > > Just have to remember how to do all that. > > > > Michael > > > > > > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig > > wrote: > > > > > Michael > > > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most likely > > > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. This is > > > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary > hardware > > > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the command > > line > > > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu switched > > to > > > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember to read > the > > > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" > > > > > > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly work. > > > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" fixes. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: > > > >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. Everything > > came > > > up > > > >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is out > > > dated > > > >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, so I > > > know at > > > >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen > > choose > > > >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from > > remote > > > >> session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power off. > > > > > > > > Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the advice > > of > > > > others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move from one > > > > Ubuntu release to another, but should start with a fresh install. I > > have > > > > gone from Ubuntu 10 to 12 to 14, and am slowly moving to 16. Each > time > > I > > > > had the luxury of being able to at least put in a fresh hard drive > for > > > > the new version, and then mount the old hard drive to be able to copy > > > > files as needed. I don't think any of the episodes has been painless, > > > > since it seems there's always something big that changes so that it > > > > doesn't work the way it did in the previous version, but I have > always > > > > been able to get past it, often with the help of folks on this list. > > > > > > > > So, in your case, I'd recommend using Grub to boot to your previous > > > > version, find a way to back up all your important files, and install > 16 > > > > from scratch. Better would be to have two machines, but not everyone > > has > > > > that luxury. I'm happy that I do have that option this time, because > > > > there are a handful of things I have yet to be able to figure out how > > to > > > > do in 16 that I need on at least a weekly basis, if not a daily one. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dick Steffens > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pd
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
instead of comparing xorg files, I'd want to get it to try to automagically configure stuff fresh, maybe with a *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg* and a *sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade* Maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring your window manager (unity?) -- did it disable the universe or multiverse for the upgrade and do you need to reenable it? Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Did you do the upgrade to 16.04 by manually editing the sources, or did you use the tool in the Software Center, or did you do-release-upgrade from the command line? On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done that. > Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've forgotten > more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll have to > compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two versions. > Just have to remember how to do all that. > > Michael > > > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig > wrote: > > > Michael > > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most likely > > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. This is > > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary hardware > > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the command > line > > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu switched > to > > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember to read the > > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" > > > > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly work. > > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" fixes. > > > > Ed > > > > > > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens > > wrote: > > > > > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: > > >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. Everything > came > > up > > >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is out > > dated > > >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, so I > > know at > > >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen > choose > > >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from > remote > > >> session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power off. > > > > > > Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the advice > of > > > others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move from one > > > Ubuntu release to another, but should start with a fresh install. I > have > > > gone from Ubuntu 10 to 12 to 14, and am slowly moving to 16. Each time > I > > > had the luxury of being able to at least put in a fresh hard drive for > > > the new version, and then mount the old hard drive to be able to copy > > > files as needed. I don't think any of the episodes has been painless, > > > since it seems there's always something big that changes so that it > > > doesn't work the way it did in the previous version, but I have always > > > been able to get past it, often with the help of folks on this list. > > > > > > So, in your case, I'd recommend using Grub to boot to your previous > > > version, find a way to back up all your important files, and install 16 > > > from scratch. Better would be to have two machines, but not everyone > has > > > that luxury. I'm happy that I do have that option this time, because > > > there are a handful of things I have yet to be able to figure out how > to > > > do in 16 that I need on at least a weekly basis, if not a daily one. > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dick Steffens > > > > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
Yeah, I got to thinking after I started I shouldn't have done that. Everything has been packed away for almost a year. It seems I've forgotten more than I remember. A new hard drive is probably in order. I'll have to compare Xorg files and look at drivers loaded between the two versions. Just have to remember how to do all that. Michael On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Edward Koenig wrote: > Michael > If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most likely > either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. This is > very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary hardware > drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the command line > tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu switched to > wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember to read the > release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" > > Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly work. > Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" fixes. > > Ed > > > > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens > wrote: > > > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: > >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. Everything came > up > >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is out > dated > >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, so I > know at > >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen choose > >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from remote > >> session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power off. > > > > Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the advice of > > others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move from one > > Ubuntu release to another, but should start with a fresh install. I have > > gone from Ubuntu 10 to 12 to 14, and am slowly moving to 16. Each time I > > had the luxury of being able to at least put in a fresh hard drive for > > the new version, and then mount the old hard drive to be able to copy > > files as needed. I don't think any of the episodes has been painless, > > since it seems there's always something big that changes so that it > > doesn't work the way it did in the previous version, but I have always > > been able to get past it, often with the help of folks on this list. > > > > So, in your case, I'd recommend using Grub to boot to your previous > > version, find a way to back up all your important files, and install 16 > > from scratch. Better would be to have two machines, but not everyone has > > that luxury. I'm happy that I do have that option this time, because > > there are a handful of things I have yet to be able to figure out how to > > do in 16 that I need on at least a weekly basis, if not a daily one. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Dick Steffens > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
Michael If the new version boots and you can ssh to log in, then most likely either X.org or a GPU driver did not update fully or correctly. This is very typical for proprietary nvidia drivers, or any proprietary hardware drivers that install a kernel module. You might try using the command line tools to reinstall the GPU and X bits. I'm not sure it Ubuntu switched to wayland with this release so perhaps check on that. Remember to read the release notes etc before clicking "upgrade" Nuking from orbit, as Dick suggests after backup, will certainly work. Personally run a Linux distribution to avoid such "windowesque" fixes. Ed > On May 12, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > >> On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: >> I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. Everything came up >> normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is out dated >> and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, so I know at >> least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen choose >> default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from remote >> session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power off. > > Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the advice of > others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move from one > Ubuntu release to another, but should start with a fresh install. I have > gone from Ubuntu 10 to 12 to 14, and am slowly moving to 16. Each time I > had the luxury of being able to at least put in a fresh hard drive for > the new version, and then mount the old hard drive to be able to copy > files as needed. I don't think any of the episodes has been painless, > since it seems there's always something big that changes so that it > doesn't work the way it did in the previous version, but I have always > been able to get past it, often with the help of folks on this list. > > So, in your case, I'd recommend using Grub to boot to your previous > version, find a way to back up all your important files, and install 16 > from scratch. Better would be to have two machines, but not everyone has > that luxury. I'm happy that I do have that option this time, because > there are a handful of things I have yet to be able to figure out how to > do in 16 that I need on at least a weekly basis, if not a daily one. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
On 05/12/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: > I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. Everything came up > normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is out dated > and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, so I know at > least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen choose > default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from remote > session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power off. Having been on this list a fairly long time, I've followed the advice of others who say one should not use the "upgrade" path to move from one Ubuntu release to another, but should start with a fresh install. I have gone from Ubuntu 10 to 12 to 14, and am slowly moving to 16. Each time I had the luxury of being able to at least put in a fresh hard drive for the new version, and then mount the old hard drive to be able to copy files as needed. I don't think any of the episodes has been painless, since it seems there's always something big that changes so that it doesn't work the way it did in the previous version, but I have always been able to get past it, often with the help of folks on this list. So, in your case, I'd recommend using Grub to boot to your previous version, find a way to back up all your important files, and install 16 from scratch. Better would be to have two machines, but not everyone has that luxury. I'm happy that I do have that option this time, because there are a handful of things I have yet to be able to figure out how to do in 16 that I need on at least a weekly basis, if not a daily one. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
I rebooted again and at the grub screen chose 14.04LTS. Everything came up normally. After login, I get a pop-up window that says 14.04 is out dated and no longer supported. Anyhow, display and everything works, so I know at least the hardware is okay. Shutdown and restart, let grub screen choose default and back to blank screens. I can ssh in and shutdown from remote session. Screens give Ubuntu shutdown splash just before power off. On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Michael Barnes wrote: > I finally got a house and all my stuff delivered and unpacked. I fired up > my desktop system, a Dell Optiplex 745 with dual monitors. It has been > running Ubuntu 14.04LTS for the last couple years without problem. When I > fired it up, it asked me to upgrade to 16.04LTS. I figured 'why not' and > clicked upgrade. It did its thing and rebooted. Once it rebooted, the > screens come up blank. No response from the keyboard or mouse. NumLock key > lights on and off appropriately. When I hit the power button, it will put > up a splash and shut down. On power up, I get a grub screen with the usual > options, older versions, memtest, etc. Letting it default, I get an Ubuntu > boot splash for a few seconds, then blank screens. I can ssh into it and > see that things appear to be running. I can't really remember where to go > from here. Ideas appreciated. > > Thanks, > Michael > > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade
I finally got a house and all my stuff delivered and unpacked. I fired up my desktop system, a Dell Optiplex 745 with dual monitors. It has been running Ubuntu 14.04LTS for the last couple years without problem. When I fired it up, it asked me to upgrade to 16.04LTS. I figured 'why not' and clicked upgrade. It did its thing and rebooted. Once it rebooted, the screens come up blank. No response from the keyboard or mouse. NumLock key lights on and off appropriately. When I hit the power button, it will put up a splash and shut down. On power up, I get a grub screen with the usual options, older versions, memtest, etc. Letting it default, I get an Ubuntu boot splash for a few seconds, then blank screens. I can ssh into it and see that things appear to be running. I can't really remember where to go from here. Ideas appreciated. Thanks, Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
j...@meissen.org said: > I still need a way to disable this stupid auto-maximize every time I > accidentally hit the top of the screen when moving a window. :-( Found it. It's actually a Compiz setting under Window Management. Disabling "Grid" accomplishes what I want. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
i had to deal with this one, too - it's somewhere in CompizConfig's Window-management section, though i can't remember exactly where... Joe Shisei Niski Portland, Oregon, USA 至誠 On 2013-09-30 2:34 PM, "John Meissen" wrote: > >I still need a way to disable this stupid auto-maximize every time I >accidentally hit the top of the screen when moving a window. :-( ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
Well, in KDE you go to settings | Workspace Behaviour, click on "Screen Edges", and then uncheck the "Maximize windows by dragging them to the top of the screen" box. I don't know how you'd do it in an inferior DE though. (; Glad to help! From: plug-boun...@lists.pdxlinux.org [plug-boun...@lists.pdxlinux.org] on behalf of John Meissen [j...@meissen.org] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:34 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help joh...@comcast.net said: > "John Meissen" dijo: > >That's it. No "panel options" or "panel settings". No "more settings" . > > I don't use the same desktop as you, so my advice might be wrong. But it seems > to me that you clicked on one of the widgets (or applets, among other names) > that live in the panel, rather than clicking on the panel itself . It can be > tricky to find a spot on the panel that is not occupied by a widget, but once > you find one you should get the panel options. That was it. I needed to on the panel (super = Windows key) and then I got the correct preferences screen. Thanks. I still need a way to disable this stupid auto-maximize every time I accidentally hit the top of the screen when moving a window. :-( ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
joh...@comcast.net said: > "John Meissen" dijo: > >That's it. No "panel options" or "panel settings". No "more settings" . > > I don't use the same desktop as you, so my advice might be wrong. But it seems > to me that you clicked on one of the widgets (or applets, among other names) > that live in the panel, rather than clicking on the panel itself . It can be > tricky to find a spot on the panel that is not occupied by a widget, but once > you find one you should get the panel options. That was it. I needed to on the panel (super = Windows key) and then I got the correct preferences screen. Thanks. I still need a way to disable this stupid auto-maximize every time I accidentally hit the top of the screen when moving a window. :-( ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:22:15 -0700 "John Meissen" dijo: >> Right click on the lower panel. Click panel options/panel >> settings. Then click more settings. That should open up a pane that >> gives visibility settings including auto-hide. >> >If I right-click on the lower panel I get a single choice: >"Preferences". That opens a window with > > Window List Content >o Show windows from currecnt workspace >o Show windows from all workspaces > > Window Grouping >o Never group windows >o Group windows when space is limited >o Always group windows > > Restoring Minimized Windows (disabled unless Show All is selected > above) o Restore to current workspace >o Restore to native workspace > >That's it. No "panel options" or "panel settings". No "more settings" . I don't use the same desktop as you, so my advice might be wrong. But it seems to me that you clicked on one of the widgets (or applets, among other names) that live in the panel, rather than clicking on the panel itself . It can be tricky to find a spot on the panel that is not occupied by a widget, but once you find one you should get the panel options. Or - better idea yet - drag the panel to the left (or right) of the screen and make it wide enough to hold all the widgets that you want. This will leave you with nothing at the top and bottom, giving you maximum vertical real estate. Or even better idea - install Xubuntu, and then move the panel to the left or right. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
kd7...@gmail.com said: > > On 09/30/2013 11:03 AM, John Meissen wrote: > > Two more annoyances > > > > The panel at the bottom of the screen (WindowList) used to have an option to > > "auto-hide". It doesn't do that anymore, and it's taking up valuable screen > > real estate that I want back. I've checked every "configuration" and > > "preferences" screen I can find. Any suggestions on how to restore that > > feature? > > > > Also, now whenever I happen to move a window to the top of the screen it > > automatically "maximizes" the window. Damnit, if I want Windows I'll run > > Windows. :-( I can't imagine on what planet this might be useful. How > > do I turn that off? If I want a window maximized I can do it myself. > > Right click on the lower panel. Click panel options/panel settings. > Then click more settings. That should open up a pane that gives > visibility settings including auto-hide. > If I right-click on the lower panel I get a single choice: "Preferences". That opens a window with Window List Content o Show windows from currecnt workspace o Show windows from all workspaces Window Grouping o Never group windows o Group windows when space is limited o Always group windows Restoring Minimized Windows (disabled unless Show All is selected above) o Restore to current workspace o Restore to native workspace That's it. No "panel options" or "panel settings". No "more settings" . ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
On 09/30/2013 11:03 AM, John Meissen wrote: > Two more annoyances > > The panel at the bottom of the screen (WindowList) used to have an option to > "auto-hide". It doesn't do that anymore, and it's taking up valuable screen > real estate that I want back. I've checked every "configuration" and > "preferences" screen I can find. Any suggestions on how to restore that > feature? > > Also, now whenever I happen to move a window to the top of the screen it > automatically "maximizes" the window. Damnit, if I want Windows I'll run > Windows. :-( I can't imagine on what planet this might be useful. How > do I turn that off? If I want a window maximized I can do it myself. > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Right click on the lower panel. Click panel options/panel settings. Then click more settings. That should open up a pane that gives visibility settings including auto-hide. Bruce ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
Two more annoyances The panel at the bottom of the screen (WindowList) used to have an option to "auto-hide". It doesn't do that anymore, and it's taking up valuable screen real estate that I want back. I've checked every "configuration" and "preferences" screen I can find. Any suggestions on how to restore that feature? Also, now whenever I happen to move a window to the top of the screen it automatically "maximizes" the window. Damnit, if I want Windows I'll run Windows. :-( I can't imagine on what planet this might be useful. How do I turn that off? If I want a window maximized I can do it myself. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 14:41 -0700, John Meissen wrote: > pa...@freegeek.org said: > > On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 12:22 -0700, John Meissen wrote: > > > > > Is it suddenly downloading and applying updates in the > > > background?!? That's a no-no. Update Manager settings still shows > > > "Display" > > > only. Is there a different setting somewhere else? > > > > Not as far as I know (on either question, there is unattended-upgrades > > but that doesn't involve update-manager and needs to be installed > > separately) . > > > > Synaptic/dpkg shows that it got installed... > ii unattended-upgrades 0.76ubuntu1 automatic installation of security > upgrades > > This script is the backend for the APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade option. > > Is there a way to configure it, or should I just uninstall it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates By default it just does security upgrades, without them it won't be doing much of anything but you can also exclude packages, so you might want to keep security but remove kernels so you can control reboots. > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Technical Support Specialist, Free Geek Free Geek Tech Support: supp...@freegeek.org (503) 232-9350 option 6 Tuesday-Saturday: 12-1,1:30-5:45PM ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
pa...@freegeek.org said: > On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 12:22 -0700, John Meissen wrote: > > > Is it suddenly downloading and applying updates in the > > background?!? That's a no-no. Update Manager settings still shows "Display" > > only. Is there a different setting somewhere else? > > Not as far as I know (on either question, there is unattended-upgrades > but that doesn't involve update-manager and needs to be installed > separately) . > Synaptic/dpkg shows that it got installed... ii unattended-upgrades 0.76ubuntu1 automatic installation of security upgrades This script is the backend for the APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade option. Is there a way to configure it, or should I just uninstall it? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 12:22 -0700, John Meissen wrote: > When I logged out and back in it complained that there were updates pending > that needed a reboot. Thats standard if a reboot is pending because of previously applied updates (a kernel upgrade came down the line this morning). > Is it suddenly downloading and applying updates in the > background?!? That's a no-no. Update Manager settings still shows "Display" > only. Is there a different setting somewhere else? Not as far as I know (on either question, there is unattended-upgrades but that doesn't involve update-manager and needs to be installed separately) . -- Technical Support Specialist, Free Geek Free Geek Tech Support: supp...@freegeek.org (503) 232-9350 option 6 Tuesday-Saturday: 12-1,1:30-5:45PM ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
pa...@freegeek.org said: > apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager will get you the old setting > manager I already had compizconfig-settings-manager installed, that's what I was using. > Then enable Desktop Wall (or rotate cube) -> bindings > (Ctrl+Alt + arrow is the default, I think, but I may have set that) I tried Rotate Cube. Holy cow, that screwed things up. Pinned windows lost their positions, I suddenly couldn't access any of the virtual desktops. I tried to reset things back to the way they were, hopefully I succeeded. I tried Desktop Wall instead. That works well enough (although I wish it would wrap. When I logged out and back in it complained that there were updates pending that needed a reboot. Is it suddenly downloading and applying updates in the background?!? That's a no-no. Update Manager settings still shows "Display" only. Is there a different setting somewhere else? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
d...@dicksteffens.com said: > In Applications - System Tools - System Settings, in the Hardware group, is a > button for Keyboard. That has a tab for Shotcuts. One of those shortcuts is > Launch Terminal, with the default setting of Ctrl+Alt+T. Down at the bottom > it says, "To edit a shortcut, click the row and hold down the new keys or > press Backspace to clear." Thanks. I don't know why I didn't see that. I must have looked at the System Settings window a dozen time. :-( Maybe it's the grey-on-grey color scheme ;-) john- ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
On 09/27/2013 11:27 AM, John Meissen wrote: > d...@dicksteffens.com said: >> Did you install GNOME session fallback? In the Ubuntu Software Center it's >> called: >> GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session >> gnome-session-fallback > > Yes. That was implied when I said I got most of the gnome environment back, > and > that I wasn't using Unity. I suppose I could have done something else, though. > >> I use that, and with it T gives me a terminal window. > That may be. But it's awkward, and I have a different, much more natural and > comfortable combination that I've used for years. I don't want to retrain my > fingers. In the old system it was a simple matter to redefine the keys. > > Now they're trying to make the settings interface look like a Mac, and IMHO > have only screwed things up. In Applications - System Tools - System Settings, in the Hardware group, is a button for Keyboard. That has a tab for Shotcuts. One of those shortcuts is Launch Terminal, with the default setting of Ctrl+Alt+T. Down at the bottom it says, "To edit a shortcut, click the row and hold down the new keys or press Backspace to clear." I haven't tried changing anything in there, but that might be worth a try for your key combination. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 11:27 -0700, John Meissen wrote: > d...@dicksteffens.com said: > > Did you install GNOME session fallback? In the Ubuntu Software Center it's > > called: > > > GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session > > gnome-session-fallback > > > Yes. That was implied when I said I got most of the gnome environment back, > and > that I wasn't using Unity. I suppose I could have done something else, though. > > > I use that, and with it T gives me a terminal window. > > That may be. But it's awkward, and I have a different, much more natural and > comfortable combination that I've used for years. I don't want to retrain my > fingers. In the old system it was a simple matter to redefine the keys. > > Now they're trying to make the settings interface look like a Mac, and IMHO > have only screwed things up. apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager will get you the old setting manager Then enable Desktop Wall (or rotate cube) -> bindings (Ctrl+Alt + arrow is the default, I think, but I may have set that) > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Technical Support Specialist, Free Geek Free Geek Tech Support: supp...@freegeek.org (503) 232-9350 option 6 Tuesday-Saturday: 12-1,1:30-5:45PM ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
d...@dicksteffens.com said: > Did you install GNOME session fallback? In the Ubuntu Software Center it's > called: > GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session > gnome-session-fallback Yes. That was implied when I said I got most of the gnome environment back, and that I wasn't using Unity. I suppose I could have done something else, though. > I use that, and with it T gives me a terminal window. That may be. But it's awkward, and I have a different, much more natural and comfortable combination that I've used for years. I don't want to retrain my fingers. In the old system it was a simple matter to redefine the keys. Now they're trying to make the settings interface look like a Mac, and IMHO have only screwed things up. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
On 09/27/2013 10:30 AM, John Meissen wrote: > I finally got around to "upgrading" the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS system that I use > daily to the 12.04 LTS release. I've been putting it off because I knew that > it > would break everything user-interface related that I depended on. :-( And of > course I wasn't disappointed. Or rather, I was. Whatever. > > I got some of the gnome env back, and I'm struggling through the font > problems. > However all of my keybindings are toast and I still haven't figured out how to > reconfigure them. The two biggest ones are navigating the virtual desktops and > launching a terminal. > > I don't see any way to do the latter anymore. And the compiz Settings Manager > has settings for switching to specific viewports via keyboard or directional > switching via mouse, neither of which I want! I want to navigate > left/right/up/ > down via keyboard. This was simple to do before I "upgraded". > > Suggestion? FYI I'm not using Unity. Did you install GNOME session fallback? In the Ubuntu Software Center it's called: GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session gnome-session-fallback I use that, and with it T gives me a terminal window. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Ubuntu upgrade help
I finally got around to "upgrading" the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS system that I use daily to the 12.04 LTS release. I've been putting it off because I knew that it would break everything user-interface related that I depended on. :-( And of course I wasn't disappointed. Or rather, I was. Whatever. I got some of the gnome env back, and I'm struggling through the font problems. However all of my keybindings are toast and I still haven't figured out how to reconfigure them. The two biggest ones are navigating the virtual desktops and launching a terminal. I don't see any way to do the latter anymore. And the compiz Settings Manager has settings for switching to specific viewports via keyboard or directional switching via mouse, neither of which I want! I want to navigate left/right/up/ down via keyboard. This was simple to do before I "upgraded". Suggestion? FYI I'm not using Unity. john- ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 13:19 -0800, John Meissen wrote: > Benjamin Kerensa said: > > 11.10 has had some weird issues with xscreensaver especially in Ubuntu but > > I'm not sure about Xubuntu. I know there has been some changes to the > > upgrade > > tool. > > There are some pretty serious issues with laptops and external monitors. > I refuse to stray off of the LTS releases, but my daughter recently > ugraded from 10.10 to 11.04 and hasn't been able to get an external > monitor to work reliably since. > > For instance... > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/858046 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/882143 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/+bug/882134 > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1783636 > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1863987 > > A Google search seems to indicate a number of problems, from Unity vs > "Classic" to the nvidia driver, some of which claim to be fixed, others > still open/unresolved. > > I'll know more when she's home for xmas in a couple of weeks, but for > now I'm recommending she go back to and stay on 10.04 unless there's a > compelling reason for upgrading. 11.04 worked well on both my laptop and my desktop, but on the laptop 11.10 won't turn the backlight back on -- there's no way I'm installing it on my work machine! 11 also lost the ability to switch keyboard maps in the login screen. Since I type in Dvorak and I've got people in the household who use QWERTY, this was a nice feature -- I can use a QWERTY keyboard, but I need to look at my fingers to do so, and it really slows me down. I need to reinstall 11.04 on the laptop, then sit tight for 12.04, or whatever the next LTS release is. -- Tim Wescott www.wescottdesign.com Control & Communications systems, circuit & software design. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
Benjamin Kerensa said: > 11.10 has had some weird issues with xscreensaver especially in Ubuntu but > I'm not sure about Xubuntu. I know there has been some changes to the upgrade > tool. There are some pretty serious issues with laptops and external monitors. I refuse to stray off of the LTS releases, but my daughter recently ugraded from 10.10 to 11.04 and hasn't been able to get an external monitor to work reliably since. For instance... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/858046 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/882143 https://bugs.launchpad.net/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/+bug/882134 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1783636 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1863987 A Google search seems to indicate a number of problems, from Unity vs "Classic" to the nvidia driver, some of which claim to be fixed, others still open/unresolved. I'll know more when she's home for xmas in a couple of weeks, but for now I'm recommending she go back to and stay on 10.04 unless there's a compelling reason for upgrading. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > 11.10 has had some weird issues with xscreensaver especially in Ubuntu but > I'm not sure about Xubuntu. I know there has been some changes to the > upgrade tool. Benjamin, The problem occurred as I tried to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04. So far, no issues with 11.10 installed from a disk I burned from the downloaded iso. This is the first fubar with an xubuntu upgrade since I've installed it on the former Dell laptop and then the current Toshiba Satellite laptop. Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On 12/01/2011 01:09 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Rich Shepard wrote: > >> The xubuntu laptop here was running 10.10 and I just started a >> distribution upgrade on it. 11.04 was the only one on offer. When this >> upgrade is finished and I start the upgrade manager again will 11.11. be >> offered? > Well! As some point during file download the OS decided that there was > something wrong with the screensaver but did not offer options to fix it or > turn it off. Since I had no way to see the display and determine if the > upgrade was done, I switched to tty2, logged in as root, and killed > xscreensaver. That locked the system and took away the cursor. No way to > change console, move the cursor, or anything. > > I'm now downloading the xubuntu-11.10.iso and will re-install. > Fortunately, ~/ was backup on on a flash drive just a couple of days ago. > > Has anyone else experienced this? I've done package and distribution > upgrades before on that box and they always went smoothly. > > Rich > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Hi Rich, 11.10 has had some weird issues with xscreensaver especially in Ubuntu but I'm not sure about Xubuntu. I know there has been some changes to the upgrade tool. -- Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead, Ubuntu Oregon bkere...@ubuntu.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On 12/01/2011 11:09 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > The xubuntu laptop here was running 10.11 and I just started a > distribution upgrade on it. 11.04 was the only one on offer. When this > upgrade is finished and I start the upgrade manager again will 11.11. be > offered? > > Thanks, > > Rich > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Yes it will ask you to go by series however you could download the ISO of the latest release and upgrade via startup disc and retain your files although hopping from a long distance between releases is generally not suggested. I'm running 12.04 Alpha 1 and I must say it is as stable as 11.10. -- Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead, Ubuntu Oregon bkere...@ubuntu.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, John Jason Jordan wrote: > Will it boot at all? If so, it may be repairable. And even if it won't > boot, you should be able to use a rescue CD to get a later backup, if > that's important. John, It has 11.10 running on it now. She copied her /home directory to a flash drive a couple of days ago (perhaps missing one subdirectory, but that's life), so it was time consuming for me but not fatal. > I once had a cable modem choose to die right when an Ubuntu dist-upgrade > was at about 80%. Gawd, what a mess. I gave dpkg a serious workout, but > ended up saving it. Yeah, well I don't know debian and its off-spring well enough to futz with it. > Fedora uses a "preupgrade" method where you download an image that > contains everything needed for the upgrade. Then you reboot and the > upgrade is installed from the image - no worries about losing the net > connection mid-stream. Or you can upgrade Fedora from the non-live DVD, > which is what I always do. And Slackware has a well-defined sequence that allows me to upgrade everyting on the system and add new stuff. Then I manually delete the deprecated packages. > You can upgrade Ubuntu systems from the Alternate CD or DVD as well. I > have done it at the Clinic and it works slick. Once you have the > Alternate CD or DVD the upgrade goes quickly. Next time I need to > upgrade an Ubuntu install I will definitely use the Alternate CD route. The only two choices I had were to install 11.10 in addition to 11.04 (which I knew was broken) or replace it. I did the latter. Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:09:29 -0800 (PST) Rich Shepard dijo: >Well! As some point during file download the OS decided that there was >something wrong with the screensaver but did not offer options to fix >it or turn it off. Since I had no way to see the display and determine >if the upgrade was done, I switched to tty2, logged in as root, and >killed xscreensaver. That locked the system and took away the cursor. >No way to change console, move the cursor, or anything. > >I'm now downloading the xubuntu-11.10.iso and will re-install. >Fortunately, ~/ was backup on on a flash drive just a couple of days >ago. > >Has anyone else experienced this? I've done package and distribution >upgrades before on that box and they always went smoothly. Will it boot at all? If so, it may be repairable. And even if it won't boot, you should be able to use a rescue CD to get a later backup, if that's important. I haven't had this particular problem, although I'd check the Ubuntu forums to see if anyone else has reported it. I once had a cable modem choose to die right when an Ubuntu dist-upgrade was at about 80%. Gawd, what a mess. I gave dpkg a serious workout, but ended up saving it. Fedora uses a "preupgrade" method where you download an image that contains everything needed for the upgrade. Then you reboot and the upgrade is installed from the image - no worries about losing the net connection mid-stream. Or you can upgrade Fedora from the non-live DVD, which is what I always do. You can upgrade Ubuntu systems from the Alternate CD or DVD as well. I have done it at the Clinic and it works slick. Once you have the Alternate CD or DVD the upgrade goes quickly. Next time I need to upgrade an Ubuntu install I will definitely use the Alternate CD route. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:38:35 -0800 Jason Barnett dijo: >The exception to this are the long term support versions. You are able >to go from one LTD version to another directly. The next LTD version >will be 12.04 and come out every two years. He meant to say "LTS." :) ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Rich Shepard wrote: > The xubuntu laptop here was running 10.10 and I just started a > distribution upgrade on it. 11.04 was the only one on offer. When this > upgrade is finished and I start the upgrade manager again will 11.11. be > offered? Well! As some point during file download the OS decided that there was something wrong with the screensaver but did not offer options to fix it or turn it off. Since I had no way to see the display and determine if the upgrade was done, I switched to tty2, logged in as root, and killed xscreensaver. That locked the system and took away the cursor. No way to change console, move the cursor, or anything. I'm now downloading the xubuntu-11.10.iso and will re-install. Fortunately, ~/ was backup on on a flash drive just a couple of days ago. Has anyone else experienced this? I've done package and distribution upgrades before on that box and they always went smoothly. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
The exception to this are the long term support versions. You are able to go from one LTD version to another directly. The next LTD version will be 12.04 and come out every two years. On Dec 1, 2011 11:15 AM, "glen e. p. ropella" wrote: > Rich Shepard wrote circa 11-12-01 11:09 AM: > >The xubuntu laptop here was running 10.11 and I just started a > > distribution upgrade on it. 11.04 was the only one on offer. When this > > upgrade is finished and I start the upgrade manager again will 11.11. be > > offered? > > That's how it worked for me. I haven't watched closely, but every > upgrade I've done with Ubuntu forced me to go through each upgrade in > series. > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > That's how it worked for me. I haven't watched closely, but every upgrade > I've done with Ubuntu forced me to go through each upgrade in series. That makes sense, and what I thought. Thanks, Glen, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
Rich Shepard wrote circa 11-12-01 11:09 AM: >The xubuntu laptop here was running 10.11 and I just started a > distribution upgrade on it. 11.04 was the only one on offer. When this > upgrade is finished and I start the upgrade manager again will 11.11. be > offered? That's how it worked for me. I haven't watched closely, but every upgrade I've done with Ubuntu forced me to go through each upgrade in series. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Ubuntu Upgrade Question
The xubuntu laptop here was running 10.11 and I just started a distribution upgrade on it. 11.04 was the only one on offer. When this upgrade is finished and I start the upgrade manager again will 11.11. be offered? Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
