Re: [PLUG] The end of Mint KDE edition

[elcaseti]

The fact that Slackware is still using KDE4 is very appealing to me.  My
command line skills are not at the Slackware level, but I bet I can find a
Slackware-based distro that is more to my liking that's still using KDE4.

Too bad Slax moved away from KDE.  I used to use Slax for certain simple
tasks.  I might still use Slax for some things, & I don't mind that it's
switched to a Debian base, but it's not going to be my main distro.

It seems like Vector is not a very active project anymore.  I tried KDE
Neon about a year ago, & found it to have quite a few broken things.  I
might even try Gecko KDE Plasma, since I've not really given OpenSuse much
of a chance.

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Johnathan Mantey 
wrote:

> The amusing part of all of this is I really don't use any advanced features
> of KDE.  I just like the overall look/feel.  I have no idea what
> enhancements Plasma brought to the table.  Mint/XFCE is an ok solution, I'm
> using it for an old laptop with limited RAM.  I just have much more KDE
> familiarity, so I'm loathe to change desktops.
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Ben Koenig  wrote:
>
> > Slackware 14.2 is currently using KDE 4.14. It is very nice but not the
> > latest so if you follow the updates from KDE it might look like stuff is
> > missing :(
> >
> > But there is a contributor for the project that runs the ktown repo for
> > bleeding edge versions of KDE and its dependencies. I don't use it
> myself,
> > but ktown is getting rave reviews.
> >
> > Or you could just go with KDE Neon, which is the closest thing you will
> > get to an official KDE distro.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 05/10/2018 03:08 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 10 May 2018, elcaseti wrote:
> >>
> >> In order to replace Mint KDE, I'm testing various disros that include
> KDE
> >>> plasma 5, or Plasma 4, or Trinity Desktop Environment. TDE is the fork
> of
> >>> KDE3, much like Mate is the fork of Gnome2.
> >>>
> >>
> >>   Slackware comes with KDE as well as Xfce4. Pat Volkerding has always
> >> peferred KDE to Gnome so the former was the default desktop. I've no
> idea
> >> what KDE flavor is included with Slackware-14.2 because I use Xfce4,
> but I
> >> install KDE because other applications use them and they don't consume
> an
> >> unreasonable amount of hard drive space.
> >>
> >>   Perhaps Slackware's KDE flavor will suit your appetite.
> >>
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Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0

[Tomas Kuchta]

Thanks Ben

On Thu, May 10, 2018, 3:18 PM Ben Koenig  wrote:

> Since KDE version 4 they have split the desktop environment into a few
> chunks.
>
> They have the KDE SC, Software Compilation which is the applications
> that ship with the DE. Basically all the things that windows has by
> default - a calculator, basic web browser, Kwrite (instead of notepate)
> etc. This 'SC' is cross platform and can even be installed on Windows,
> essentially replacing apps like Notepad, IE and even Minesweeper with
> the kde versions ;)
>
>
> In this new design, Plasma is the desktop. On Linux, if you run KDE you
> will also be running Plasma. But you could theoretically be using a
> different desktop ( or different OS entirely ) and still run the apps
> that are part of KDE SC.
>
>
> So 'KDE' is an umbrella project for both Plasma, and the Software
> Compilation.The KDE project has even gone the the next step and built an
> official "KDE Distro" called KDE Neon.
>
>
> So Here is Neon, a version of Ubuntu with the Plasma desktop
> running the KDE Software Compilation. Took me a while to wrap my head
> around this change.
>
> https://neon.kde.org/
>
>
>
> On 05/10/2018 02:45 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
> > I use KDE for decades at this point, together with Gnome and other xDEs
> du
> > jour. I have never noticed this Plasma monicker.
> >
> > Is Plasma Compiz equivalent for KDE?
> >
> > Thanks, T
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 10, 2018, 4:45 AM elcaseti  wrote:
> >
> >> Jason,  That is useful info.  I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if
> it's
> >> up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family.
> Mint
> >> has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately.
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett <
> jason.barnet...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the
> >> included
> >>> VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver.
> >>> Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta <
> >> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize
> >> familiar
>  smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu
> for
> >>> the
>  last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs.
> 
>  Just a word of caution,
>  T
> 
>  On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 +
> > Tim Garton  dijo:
> >
> >> What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are
> >>> probably
> >> running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted
> >> back
> >> to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have
> >> carried
> >> Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not
> >> the
> >> least of which is the screensaver API.
> > What you said is possible.
> >
> > I have three computers:
> > 1.  desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just
> >  upgraded to 18.04.
> > 2.  Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently
> >  revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04
> > 3.  System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5
> >  which inhibits the screensaver as it should.
> >
> > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to
> > inhibit the screensaver.
> >
> > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind
> >> of
> > exorcism is needed to get rid of them.
> >
> > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories,
> > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a
> >>> change-log
> > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one.
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Re: [PLUG] The end of Mint KDE edition

[Ben Koenig]

Slackware 14.2 is currently using KDE 4.14. It is very nice but not the 
latest so if you follow the updates from KDE it might look like stuff is 
missing :(


But there is a contributor for the project that runs the ktown repo for 
bleeding edge versions of KDE and its dependencies. I don't use it 
myself, but ktown is getting rave reviews.


Or you could just go with KDE Neon, which is the closest thing you will 
get to an official KDE distro.



On 05/10/2018 03:08 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Thu, 10 May 2018, elcaseti wrote:

In order to replace Mint KDE, I'm testing various disros that include 
KDE
plasma 5, or Plasma 4, or Trinity Desktop Environment. TDE is the 
fork of

KDE3, much like Mate is the fork of Gnome2.


  Slackware comes with KDE as well as Xfce4. Pat Volkerding has always
peferred KDE to Gnome so the former was the default desktop. I've no idea
what KDE flavor is included with Slackware-14.2 because I use Xfce4, 
but I

install KDE because other applications use them and they don't consume an
unreasonable amount of hard drive space.

  Perhaps Slackware's KDE flavor will suit your appetite.

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Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0

[Ben Koenig]

Since KDE version 4 they have split the desktop environment into a few 
chunks.


They have the KDE SC, Software Compilation which is the applications 
that ship with the DE. Basically all the things that windows has by 
default - a calculator, basic web browser, Kwrite (instead of notepate) 
etc. This 'SC' is cross platform and can even be installed on Windows, 
essentially replacing apps like Notepad, IE and even Minesweeper with 
the kde versions ;)



In this new design, Plasma is the desktop. On Linux, if you run KDE you 
will also be running Plasma. But you could theoretically be using a 
different desktop ( or different OS entirely ) and still run the apps 
that are part of KDE SC.



So 'KDE' is an umbrella project for both Plasma, and the Software 
Compilation.The KDE project has even gone the the next step and built an 
official "KDE Distro" called KDE Neon.



So Here is Neon, a version of Ubuntu with the Plasma desktop 
running the KDE Software Compilation. Took me a while to wrap my head 
around this change.


https://neon.kde.org/



On 05/10/2018 02:45 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:

I use KDE for decades at this point, together with Gnome and other xDEs du
jour. I have never noticed this Plasma monicker.

Is Plasma Compiz equivalent for KDE?

Thanks, T


On Thu, May 10, 2018, 4:45 AM elcaseti  wrote:


Jason,  That is useful info.  I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if it's
up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family.  Mint
has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett 
wrote:


I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the

included

VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver.
Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta <

tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>

wrote:


While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize

familiar

smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for

the

last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs.

Just a word of caution,
T

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:


On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 +
Tim Garton  dijo:


What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are

probably

running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted

back

to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have

carried

Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not

the

least of which is the screensaver API.

What you said is possible.

I have three computers:
1.  desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just
 upgraded to 18.04.
2.  Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently
 revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04
3.  System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5
 which inhibits the screensaver as it should.

Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to
inhibit the screensaver.

I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind

of

exorcism is needed to get rid of them.

While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories,
version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a

change-log

to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one.
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Re: [PLUG] The end of Mint KDE edition

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 10 May 2018, elcaseti wrote:


In order to replace Mint KDE, I'm testing various disros that include KDE
plasma 5, or Plasma 4, or Trinity Desktop Environment. TDE is the fork of
KDE3, much like Mate is the fork of Gnome2.


  Slackware comes with KDE as well as Xfce4. Pat Volkerding has always
peferred KDE to Gnome so the former was the default desktop. I've no idea
what KDE flavor is included with Slackware-14.2 because I use Xfce4, but I
install KDE because other applications use them and they don't consume an
unreasonable amount of hard drive space.

  Perhaps Slackware's KDE flavor will suit your appetite.

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Re: [PLUG] The end of Mint KDE edition

[Johnathan Mantey]

So much for installing a dual boot Mint 18.3 I was about to perform.  At
work I use FC28 with KDE, mainly for bleeding edge, and for libre'ness.  At
home I want something that has better media support.  I'm not a fan of
Gnome, and I've been unable to comprehend Unity (haven't tried that hard
TBH).  Maybe this needs to go into a new thread

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:33 PM, elcaseti  wrote:

> Mint is discontinuing their KDE Plasma release.  It's not that they will
> still use KDE apps without Plasma.  They no longer produce a distro that
> includes any aspect of the KDE software project.Here is Mint's blog
> post announcing that they will stop producing a KDE Mint distro:  "
> https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3418;.
>
> In order to replace Mint KDE, I'm testing various disros that include KDE
> plasma 5, or Plasma 4, or Trinity Desktop Environment.  TDE is the fork of
> KDE3, much like Mate is the fork of Gnome2.
>
> As far as I can tell, so far, there is no project to fork KDE Plasma 4.  I
> hope to be proven wrong, as KDE4 is quite nice to use. Forking a desktop
> environment & supporting it for years is a huge undertaking, requiring a
> lot of volunteers and/or paid developers.
>
> So far, I've tried Siduction with KDE Plasma 5, & Knoppix with KDE Plasma
> 5.  In the past, I've tried many different releases of Kubuntu, Manjaro
> with KDE Plasma 5, PCLOS with TDE, EXE GNU/Linux with TDE, Debian with KDE
> Plasma 4, Sabayon with KDE3 & Plasma 4, and a bunch of others I'm
> forgetting at the moment.  None have suited me quite as well as Mint KDE,
> but now that it's dead, that changes the senario.
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[PLUG] The end of Mint KDE edition

[elcaseti]

Mint is discontinuing their KDE Plasma release.  It's not that they will
still use KDE apps without Plasma.  They no longer produce a distro that
includes any aspect of the KDE software project.Here is Mint's blog
post announcing that they will stop producing a KDE Mint distro:  "
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3418;.

In order to replace Mint KDE, I'm testing various disros that include KDE
plasma 5, or Plasma 4, or Trinity Desktop Environment.  TDE is the fork of
KDE3, much like Mate is the fork of Gnome2.

As far as I can tell, so far, there is no project to fork KDE Plasma 4.  I
hope to be proven wrong, as KDE4 is quite nice to use. Forking a desktop
environment & supporting it for years is a huge undertaking, requiring a
lot of volunteers and/or paid developers.

So far, I've tried Siduction with KDE Plasma 5, & Knoppix with KDE Plasma
5.  In the past, I've tried many different releases of Kubuntu, Manjaro
with KDE Plasma 5, PCLOS with TDE, EXE GNU/Linux with TDE, Debian with KDE
Plasma 4, Sabayon with KDE3 & Plasma 4, and a bunch of others I'm
forgetting at the moment.  None have suited me quite as well as Mint KDE,
but now that it's dead, that changes the senario.
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Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0

[Tim Garton]

To the best of my knowledge the only distribution that switched to Wayland
was vanilla Ubuntu, derivatives like kubuntu and xubuntu did not. So that
may not be your problem after all.

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 +
> Tim Garton  dijo:
>
> >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are probably
> >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back
> >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried
> >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the
> >least of which is the screensaver API.
>
> What you said is possible.
>
> I have three computers:
> 1.  desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just
> upgraded to 18.04.
> 2.  Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently
> revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04
> 3.  System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5
> which inhibits the screensaver as it should.
>
> Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to
> inhibit the screensaver.
>
> I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind of
> exorcism is needed to get rid of them.
>
> While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories,
> version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a change-log
> to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one.
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Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0

[Johnathan Mantey]

I'm interested in that last statement. Is Mint discontinuing a KDE
release?  How do you release KDE w/o Plasma?

Johnathan

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:45 AM, elcaseti  wrote:

> Jason,  That is useful info.  I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if it's
> up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family.  Mint
> has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately.
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett 
> wrote:
>
> > I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the
> included
> > VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver.
> > Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know.
> >
> > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta <
> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize
> familiar
> > > smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for
> > the
> > > last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs.
> > >
> > > Just a word of caution,
> > > T
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 +
> > > > Tim Garton  dijo:
> > > >
> > > > >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are
> > probably
> > > > >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted
> back
> > > > >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have
> carried
> > > > >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not
> the
> > > > >least of which is the screensaver API.
> > > >
> > > > What you said is possible.
> > > >
> > > > I have three computers:
> > > > 1.  desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just
> > > > upgraded to 18.04.
> > > > 2.  Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently
> > > > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04
> > > > 3.  System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5
> > > > which inhibits the screensaver as it should.
> > > >
> > > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to
> > > > inhibit the screensaver.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind
> of
> > > > exorcism is needed to get rid of them.
> > > >
> > > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories,
> > > > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a
> > change-log
> > > > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one.
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Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0

[elcaseti]

Jason,  That is useful info.  I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if it's
up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family.  Mint
has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett 
wrote:

> I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the included
> VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver.
> Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know.
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta 
> wrote:
>
> > While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize familiar
> > smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for
> the
> > last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs.
> >
> > Just a word of caution,
> > T
> >
> > On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 +
> > > Tim Garton  dijo:
> > >
> > > >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are
> probably
> > > >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back
> > > >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried
> > > >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the
> > > >least of which is the screensaver API.
> > >
> > > What you said is possible.
> > >
> > > I have three computers:
> > > 1.  desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just
> > > upgraded to 18.04.
> > > 2.  Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently
> > > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04
> > > 3.  System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5
> > > which inhibits the screensaver as it should.
> > >
> > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to
> > > inhibit the screensaver.
> > >
> > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind of
> > > exorcism is needed to get rid of them.
> > >
> > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories,
> > > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a
> change-log
> > > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one.
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