Re: 1080p over component
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Steve Meyers wrote: > The HDfury3 supports two features that I would like. The first is > user-selectable EDID, so I could tell it not to support 1080p (since the > Hauppauge HD PVR doesn't support 1080p). The second feature is DTS 5.1 > digital audio out. > > The first I think I can probably fix in the set top box. The second is > more of a problem, but I'm not sure I care enough to pay the extra ($260 > vs $145 on Amazon). > > Do you have an HDfury? I don't have one, I just did a little bit of research on HDMI converter boxes recently. The HDFury2 is also available on monoprice for a similar price to the other one you mentioned, and of the two, I'd go with the HDFury. It has digital audio output, auto-centering of the image, and dynamic range scaling. It's hard to tell how it compares with the one you linked, but it just seems like what you're getting is better documented with the HDFury. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
On 8/16/10 11:37 AM, Levi Pearson wrote: > You can get the HDFury boxes cheaper at monoprice.com. Definitely > research the features of HDFury vs others. HDFury does support HDCP, > and the later versions have a lot of other nifty features that you > might not find elsewhere. A lot of those boxes have problems with > image shifting, lack of brightness, etc, but the HDFury is supposed to > deal with all of them and create a really nice picture. The HDfury3 supports two features that I would like. The first is user-selectable EDID, so I could tell it not to support 1080p (since the Hauppauge HD PVR doesn't support 1080p). The second feature is DTS 5.1 digital audio out. The first I think I can probably fix in the set top box. The second is more of a problem, but I'm not sure I care enough to pay the extra ($260 vs $145 on Amazon). Do you have an HDfury? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Von Fugal wrote: > >> In fact, from my research the ICT isn't supposed to cause audio >> downgrade. There's also a Digital Only token, which completely shuts >> off analog output, but I don't think anyone's planning on using that. > > My understanding was that hd over compenent was still digital and not > analog. I have my computer set up to output 720p over compenent and it > looks absolutely amazing. Makes me want to put windows on it to play some > classic RTS games (like TA). :) My TV is only 720p so I can't test 1080p, > but my guess is it would work just fine, besides the blue ray problems > mentioned. It seems really odd that blueray does that, since HDMI != HDCP > and HDCP is pretty much dead. It's hard to even find a TV that does HDCP > anymore, not that anyone would ever want to. There was a HUGE backlash > from consumers over that fiasco. So basically, you have blueray > downgrading when it's not HDMI, but HDMI isn't copy protected anyway, so > I suppose you could buy an HDMI switch that also outputs compenent. > blueray -HDMI-> switch -compenent-> TV. A little round about and annoying, > but puts sony and their CRAP in their place. Component cables (Y Pb Pr, to be exact) are analog video cables. They're similar in principle to VGA cables in that the video signals are separated on different conductors to prevent degradation caused by multiplexing/demultiplexing, but the encoding on the conductors is different than VGA. You can get an amazing, high resolution picture with analog VGA, so there's no reason you can't with YPbPr cables either. HDCP hasn't gone away, and pretty much everything that does HDMI these days also does HDCP, excepting some PCs that don't have Windows and the appropriate drivers. What you might have heard is the backlash over the Image Constraint Token which is part of AACS, the counterpart of CSS in the BluRay world. No one has yet enabled the ICT in their video source material, so no current discs will be downgraded if you play out your component ports instead of HDMI on a BluRay player. Both CSS and AACS require HDCP when playing over HDMI, though, so if you've got a DVD player with HDMI, it's doing HDCP. If you have a receiver that does HDMI switching, it understands HDCP. It's pretty ubiquitious. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Steve Meyers wrote: > On 8/3/10 2:55 PM, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: >> I connected my Sony Blue-Ray player (via component) and the video >> setup allows for 720p or 1080i (but not 1080p, in harmony with what >> has been mentioned in this thread). Will I really get 720p/1080i over >> component? > > I've been looking to get one of these: > http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm > > It would allow 1080p over component from a Blu-ray player. I just found > a cheaper one that appears to decode HDCP as well: > http://www.dinodirect.com/converter-hdmi-vga/AFFID-37.html > > I haven't bought either one, so I can't vouch for quality. I actually > have an HDMI-supporting HDTV, but I was considering one of these for > getting video into MythTV. You can get the HDFury boxes cheaper at monoprice.com. Definitely research the features of HDFury vs others. HDFury does support HDCP, and the later versions have a lot of other nifty features that you might not find elsewhere. A lot of those boxes have problems with image shifting, lack of brightness, etc, but the HDFury is supposed to deal with all of them and create a really nice picture. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
On 8/3/10 2:55 PM, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: > I connected my Sony Blue-Ray player (via component) and the video > setup allows for 720p or 1080i (but not 1080p, in harmony with what > has been mentioned in this thread). Will I really get 720p/1080i over > component? I've been looking to get one of these: http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm It would allow 1080p over component from a Blu-ray player. I just found a cheaper one that appears to decode HDCP as well: http://www.dinodirect.com/converter-hdmi-vga/AFFID-37.html I haven't bought either one, so I can't vouch for quality. I actually have an HDMI-supporting HDTV, but I was considering one of these for getting video into MythTV. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote: >> On 08/16/2010 10:22 AM, Von Fugal wrote: >>> [...] HDCP is pretty much dead. It's hard to even find a TV that does HDCP >>> anymore, not that anyone would ever want to. There was a HUGE backlash >>> from consumers over that fiasco. So basically, you have blueray >>> downgrading when it's not HDMI, but HDMI isn't copy protected anyway, so >>> I suppose you could buy an HDMI switch that also outputs compenent. >>> blueray -HDMI-> switch -compenent-> TV. A little round about and >>> annoying, >>> but puts sony and their CRAP in their place. >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_component_video (note Analog as well) > > a) HDCP is very much on HDMI. That's been one of the main digital > connections Intel wanted it working on. DVI was the only longer running > connection to support it. > c) HDCP hasn't really been cared about much outside of Blu-Ray since > 2006, but it's still used heavily in iTunes HD content, and Sony still > seems to advocate it, though I can't find any of their actual releases > that have it. If you're using HDMI, you're pretty much protected in > this day and age anyway, though possibly not from a linux source. There > has been some talk I recall about publishers waiting on HDCP until > 2012. Certainly enough companies have licenses: > http://www.digital-cp.com/about_dcp/list Tod is correct. HDCP is so ubiquitous that nobody even looks for it. HDCP is built into every HDMI device made for years. See these Vizio specs that actually mention it. http://www.vizio.com/flat-panel-hdtvs/xvt473sv.html Von is wrong about HDCP being dead. In fact it has already taken over. Although HDCP is everywhere, it's up to content providers to actually activate/engage it's protections. That is also what Tod was talking about. Very little HD content (outside of Bluray) actually *uses* the HDCP protections, likely due to the "backlash" that Von was talking about. --lonnie /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
On 8/16/2010 10:29 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: > On 08/16/2010 10:22 AM, Von Fugal wrote: > >> [...] HDCP is pretty much dead. It's hard to even find a TV that does HDCP >> anymore, not that anyone would ever want to. There was a HUGE backlash >> from consumers over that fiasco. So basically, you have blueray >> downgrading when it's not HDMI, but HDMI isn't copy protected anyway, so >> I suppose you could buy an HDMI switch that also outputs compenent. >> blueray -HDMI-> switch -compenent-> TV. A little round about and >> annoying, >> but puts sony and their CRAP in their place. >> > Really? If you're right (that HDCP is dying), that's great news, and it > means I can start upgrading. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_component_video (note Analog as well) a) HDCP is very much on HDMI. That's been one of the main digital connections Intel wanted it working on. DVI was the only longer running connection to support it. b) Component can be digital, but is not necessarily so. Most TV's don't actually support the higher range HD signals on component. c) HDCP hasn't really been cared about much outside of Blu-Ray since 2006, but it's still used heavily in iTunes HD content, and Sony still seems to advocate it, though I can't find any of their actual releases that have it. If you're using HDMI, you're pretty much protected in this day and age anyway, though possibly not from a linux source. There has been some talk I recall about publishers waiting on HDCP until 2012. Certainly enough companies have licenses: http://www.digital-cp.com/about_dcp/list -Tod Hansmann /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
On 08/16/2010 10:22 AM, Von Fugal wrote: > My understanding was that hd over compenent was still digital and not > analog. I have my computer set up to output 720p over compenent and it > looks absolutely amazing. Makes me want to put windows on it to play some > classic RTS games (like TA). :) My TV is only 720p so I can't test 1080p, > but my guess is it would work just fine, besides the blue ray problems > mentioned. It seems really odd that blueray does that, since HDMI != HDCP > and HDCP is pretty much dead. It's hard to even find a TV that does HDCP > anymore, not that anyone would ever want to. There was a HUGE backlash > from consumers over that fiasco. So basically, you have blueray > downgrading when it's not HDMI, but HDMI isn't copy protected anyway, so > I suppose you could buy an HDMI switch that also outputs compenent. > blueray -HDMI-> switch -compenent-> TV. A little round about and annoying, > but puts sony and their CRAP in their place. I have yet to find any evidence that any late-model HDTV that supports HDMI is *not* HDCP compliant. From what little I've read on the subject, HDCP is essentially pervasive, unfortunately. If you can point me at some better information I will also be pretty happy. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
On 08/16/2010 10:22 AM, Von Fugal wrote: > [...] HDCP is pretty much dead. It's hard to even find a TV that does HDCP > anymore, not that anyone would ever want to. There was a HUGE backlash > from consumers over that fiasco. So basically, you have blueray > downgrading when it's not HDMI, but HDMI isn't copy protected anyway, so > I suppose you could buy an HDMI switch that also outputs compenent. > blueray -HDMI-> switch -compenent-> TV. A little round about and annoying, > but puts sony and their CRAP in their place. Really? If you're right (that HDCP is dying), that's great news, and it means I can start upgrading. Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: 1080p over component
> In fact, from my research the ICT isn't supposed to cause audio > downgrade. There's also a Digital Only token, which completely shuts > off analog output, but I don't think anyone's planning on using that. > > > --Levi My understanding was that hd over compenent was still digital and not analog. I have my computer set up to output 720p over compenent and it looks absolutely amazing. Makes me want to put windows on it to play some classic RTS games (like TA). :) My TV is only 720p so I can't test 1080p, but my guess is it would work just fine, besides the blue ray problems mentioned. It seems really odd that blueray does that, since HDMI != HDCP and HDCP is pretty much dead. It's hard to even find a TV that does HDCP anymore, not that anyone would ever want to. There was a HUGE backlash from consumers over that fiasco. So basically, you have blueray downgrading when it's not HDMI, but HDMI isn't copy protected anyway, so I suppose you could buy an HDMI switch that also outputs compenent. blueray -HDMI-> switch -compenent-> TV. A little round about and annoying, but puts sony and their CRAP in their place. -- Government is a disease that masquerades as its own cure -- Robert Lefevre /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
