KBYU / LDS is NOT Linux hostile (was Goodbye Move Networks)
On 07/01/2010 05:18 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote: On 6/30/2010 6:01 PM, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: On 06/30/2010 11:10 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: Hmm. Wonder if BYU TV and the Church will move to something that's more Linux-friendly for their streaming video feeds. Stuff about server OSes of various sites Actually, he was talking about their streaming stuff being easier to play in a browser on a linux box, not what their OSes on their servers were. Streaming audio / video data properly is a function of what you have, what they are using to shove the data at you, AND THE PIPELINE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU. If anybody is trying to do streaming audio / video with either a dial-up or a slow DSL connection you are bound to be less than happy. That includes NetZero with Windows unless you have XP. Even Vista may be too slow to do the compress / uncompress fast enough. I also have a fast Cable connection. Maybe that is the source of the problem? Now you can delete this message because I can assure you I am having no problems on displaying their content on both Ubuntu 10.04 and OpenSuSE 11.2. I also had no problems in the past with Fedora 3 using the latest Firefox 2.x it would run with FlashPlayer 9 with a machine that had less than 1 GB RAM. But I have a VERY FAST PIPELINE, and now have very fast machines as well! I am seeing their content just fine in both Firefox 3.6.6 using the real Flash Player on Ubuntu 10.04, and unless they put in that flawed Adobe check code things display just fine with Firefox 3.5.9 which uses swfdec / gnash on OpenSuse 11.2. What they have displays just fine there as well. I also have Chrome installed on Ubuntu. I will install Chrome on OpenSuse but the config will have to wait until next week - moving time has come. All of their streaming audio / video also works well in Chrome, ON LINUX! Unlike Apple who is pushing HTML5 as a better mouse trap (it probably is from a security stand-point) and is now avoiding Flash like the Bubonic Plague, Chrome comes with Flash as part of the browser itself. I suggest if he is having problems, and it is not the pipeline causing the problem and he is using Firefox that he tries using Chrome first before leveling charges at anybody. Firefox in many ways has become bloat-ware. Chrome does fairly well and actually is handling the streaming content much better than Firefox seems to handle it. The memory usage is also way down. But when it comes to intensive audio / video streaming graphics make sure what you have is up to the task. There are three main factors in that equation, your side, their side, and the pipeline between the two of you. If any of the three are not up to snuff you will have problems. I can assure you, it is not on the delivery side. That means you need to look at the other two factors. There is that one web-site in Turkey where I told the guy to just be a fascist and refuse to display in Firefox. But at the time I had a machine with a limited amount of RAM. Sorry, but it didn't improve ANY with my newer machines with more RAM, this one having 4 GB. His web site was very graphics intensive (and at the time I put hist host into my blocking hosts file was also distributing Windows malware). But what he had was obviously made to work ONLY with IE. He never even checked on how it would show up in other browsers. There is Provo City's Utility web pay bill feature. It is either IE or for me a trek up the street to pay the bill in person. You can also snail mail payment in if desired. Paying the bill gives me an excuse to take a walk which I love to do. But I have failed to pay that bill with Firefox, Opera, and Safari ON WINDOWS! I have also failed with both Opera and Firefox ON LINUX. I haven't tried Chrome yet. I will do that next month. I had to go in person to schedule the service change-over yesterday. But I am baffled he says he has problems on Linux with either KBYU or the LDS church. I have no problems with them at all and never have with the exception of what comes next - SPYING! The spy ability that I am referring to in IIS is them coming up with all of my email addresses and emailing me really phishy looking email messages for contributions. They did not use JavaScript and cannot use Java with me - I have Java turned off if somebody pre-installs Java on Linux. Actually on the Windows side I also have NoScript in Firefox. Apache can be modified to do the same thing but IIS has a LOT of data collection services on even IIS-6.0 and KBYU TV now has IIS-7.0. I know some of it is there because HostsFile.org (not mine) had been set to use it at one time. Trust me, IIS has far more than vanilla Apache. It wasn't KBYU's JavaScript either - none of that had changed and I stop a lot of it anyway with the filters I provide under GPL. It is the stuff in the web server itself, plus what they got by giving the data collected to a San Francisco firm that allowed them to come up with, GASP - my private POP
Re: KBYU / LDS is NOT Linux hostile (was Goodbye Move Networks)
Your e-mails certainly require a good amount of concentration to get through. On 07/01/2010 10:20 AM, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: snip But I am baffled he says he has problems on Linux with either KBYU or the LDS church. I have no problems with them at all and never have with the exception of what comes next - SPYING! I'm not talking about KBYU which streams in asf format last I checked. Not sure where you were getting flash streams. I'm talking about *BYU TV*. http://www.byutv.org/Live -- This does not work on Linux. Neither does the Church's live streaming of General Conference which is also via Move networks. snip The spy ability that I am referring to in IIS is them coming up with all of my email addresses and emailing me really phishy looking email messages for contributions. If that were actually possible to do from a mere http request (you can sniff those and see for yourself what information is actually being transmitted to the server), then Apache or any other web server could do that. If there is an information leak it's in your browser, not the web server. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: KBYU / LDS is NOT Linux hostile (was Goodbye Move Networks)
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 16:20 +, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: But I am baffled he says he has problems on Linux with either KBYU or the LDS church. I reject your reality and substitute my own. First: I don't know why you're getting so worked up about it. You sound like we called your child ugly... Well, so be it, your child is ugly. Second: KBYU != BYU.tv Third: The original topic was Move. I have never seen a single Move-based site that worked with Linux. Fourth: When my mother visited a few months ago, she complained about having problems watching BYU.tv on her Windows laptop. Whereas sites like Hulu and TV Land worked smoothly at high resolution, BYU.tv worked like crap even at low resolution. I can only conclude that Move is crap. Fifth: Sites like Hulu, YouTube and Vimeo work fine for me without any fussing. It's pretty hard for me to lay much blame on ISP when other sites work fine. Sixth: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. :-P /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: KBYU / LDS is NOT Linux hostile (was Goodbye Move Networks)
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: Apache can be modified to do the same thing but IIS has a LOT of data collection services on even IIS-6.0 and KBYU TV now has IIS-7.0. I know some of it is there because HostsFile.org (not mine) had been set to use it at one time. Trust me, IIS has far more than vanilla Apache. That was a very long email, yet I didn't see a single example given of what spying abilities any version of IIS has. Specifically, what spying abilities do you claim IIS has? I've never heard of such a thing and am curious to investigate. Jon -- Jon Jensen End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: KBYU / LDS is NOT Linux hostile (was Goodbye Move Networks)
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jon Jensen j...@endpoint.com wrote: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: Apache can be modified to do the same thing but IIS has a LOT of data collection services on even IIS-6.0 and KBYU TV now has IIS-7.0. I know some of it is there because HostsFile.org (not mine) had been set to use it at one time. Trust me, IIS has far more than vanilla Apache. That was a very long email, yet I didn't see a single example given of what spying abilities any version of IIS has. Specifically, what spying abilities do you claim IIS has? I've never heard of such a thing and am curious to investigate. I gathered that it somehow magically stole one of his private email addresses. I don't know if you can trust a guy who eats his own dog, though. That's just not right. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: KBYU / LDS is NOT Linux hostile (was Goodbye Move Networks)
Hi,
I think I need an algorithm to process all this rambling. Here is a
first cut:
# python
input = [your message]
import re
' '.join(re.findall('[A-Z]{2,}', input))
'AND THE PIPELINE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU DSL XP SE GB RAM VERY FAST
PIPELINE ON LINUX HTML RAM ANY RAM GB ONLY IE IE ON WINDOWS ON LINUX
KBYU LDS SPYING IIS IIS LOT IIS KBYU TV IIS IIS KBYU GPL GASP POP KBYU
KUED LONG IIS LOTS MORE EAT MY OWN DOG MEAT PERL KBYU SEVERELY PAC FR
ABP TACKED ON AWS NOT THEY GOT THIS INFORMATION USING IIS KBYU IIS IIS
ADD URL SQL IIS LOTS KBYU IIS IIS BIG IIS KBYU LDS BUT IE IE HHH PS KBYU
REALLY'
Ah, much better! Let's see... something about very fast pipelines...
comparing Windows and Linux... KBYU/LDS is spying on us... EAT MY OWN
DOG MEAT... back to KBYU spying on us using IIS.
Is that about right? I'm sorry about your dog.
Shane
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Re: KBYU / LDS is NOT Linux hostile (was Goodbye Move Networks)
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 19:58 -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: I think I need an algorithm to process all this rambling. Here is a first cut: Bravo! Bravissimo! /me stands and applauds -- Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
