Re: ot- camera

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Here's a decent comparison of the 2 cameras.
https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T7-vs-Canon-EOS-T6

In general it's really hard to recommend any one camera over another 
because everyone's needs are different.  In the end you have to just 
compare the features and price and decide for yourself.


Brian Cluff

On 2/21/24 20:25, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
 Totally off topic but we have a great wealth of wisdom in plugdom. 
WHich is the better camera rebel t6 or t7?


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Re: Have I been Black Balled?

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Sorry, we had an issue with the data center.

All fixed now.

Brian

On 1/9/24 14:00, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Non of my messages are getting though.
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Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

This particular thread is completely off topic.  Everyone is entitled to 
their opinions, but this is not the place to discuss them.


As for offensiveness.  The plant isn't even built yet and people are 
automatically assuming/voicing things that can't be taken any other way 
than to know their a racist.  There's nothing being said based on 
facts... the plant isn't even completed yet, and likely very few people, 
of any race, are hired for any day to day positions at this point.  So 
the most you can say right now is that it's a sweat show because it's 
being built in 115 degree weather.  Anyone sharing similar offensive 
opinions to those previously stated needs to ask themselves if they 
would watch people going into a job and get mad if they weren't white or 
as they would put it American.   The Reality of the situation is that 
only around 60 percent of Americans are white, so you'll end up a very 
angry individual if you think like that since just over half wouldn't 
fit their view of who they thought should be walking in that door.


In any case, all of this is completely off topic of Linux and/or 
computers in general and needs to be taken somewhere else.


Brian Cluff

On 7/16/23 14:14, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms.  Everything today is 
political and I do not blame folks for having negative opinions on 
this subject.


I agree "People coming from other countries are still people.". 
However we let way too many people in.  No need to import a bunch of 
Taiwanese so we can subsidize Taiwan at the expense of the AMERICAN 
taxpayer.


I'll try to stay on course.

1. Why did the US Government just subsidize the chip industry?
    - I think it was so the folks in congress could grow rich and some 
think some of this cash makes it's way back to the those in offices.
2. How did Nancy Pelosi get so rich?  Some think it was the insider 
trading.  She entered office 30 years ago and was worth $3 million.  
Today she is worth $300 million.  I think that is why she wanted to be 
speaker - to direct policy in such a way to make her rich.  Her 
husband got caught investing in the chip industry just as congress was 
voting on the gift they were going to give to the chip industry.  He 
immediately pulled out of those investments.


Lets talk about Bill Gates and the H1B system.  It is my understanding 
Gates is the number one user of H1B.  I understand he continues to 
complain about a shortage of qualified labor. What has he done to fix 
the problem?  Lobby Congress for more.


Why has Gates failed to create the best tech college in the world and 
identify the best of the best in AMERICA and train them?


John F. Kennedy said it best "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For 
You..."


I know we try to stay away from politics on this list and I know I am 
probably one of the most outspoken. We are in a bad place as a 
nation.  If we stay the course we will lose this country soon.  We do 
not live in a vacuum.







On 2023-07-16 13:26, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Am 07. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:

This is highly offensive and completely inappropriate.

People coming from other countries are still people.

PLUG has had members from many countries throughout the group's history.
We currently have members from several countries. No one should have 
to deal

with discrimination within our group.

I will ignore the inaccuracy of the statements because being wrong is 
inconsequential compared to the offensiveness.


ciao,

der.hans

I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a 
load of

H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people will
line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly to
escape while they still can before China says No.  Like most any one 
here

on visa, they'll drop a kid at first chance, then in like Flynn...

I guess someone has to clean the toilets though for local work 
still, if

that isn't roboticized too by now.

-mb


On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD.  He was talking 
to one
of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the 
local jobs

TSMC will create.  She assured him that was not the case - most of the
workers will come from Taiwan.

This may very well be the case if an American won't work in a 
sweatshop,

but a *Taiwanese will for the opportunity to work in America.*

Regards,

George Toft

On 6/7/2023 1:59 PM, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's 
just
someone drumming up support for something.  In this case, we'll 
probably
hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get 
all the
people they need, etc.  Same deal as when I was working at a 
company that
got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of the new 
employees

Re: wine installed need panel link ...

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On 2/10/23 17:58, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Second issue, when I search Synaptic for a
program like wine to install, and it lists
many dozens of options; how can one capture
and download the list of optins that displays?
CTRL A does not work for that.


I'd just use apt to capture this info:

apt search wine >wine_packages.txt

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Re: wine installed need panel link ...

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On 2/10/23 17:58, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Now, I need to create a launcher icon on the
panel. How can I do that? 
If you are using KDE, just right click on the Launcher icon and select 
"Edit Applications" Then just browse to where you want it to appear and 
click "New Item"  Then simply fill out that options and you'll have your 
new menu item.


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Re: wine installed need panel link ...

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On 2/10/23 17:58, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Third question: Where can one find a list of
all programs installed from Synaptic (or apt get)
and the dates of last installation for each?

See if this gets you what you want:

dpkg-query --show -f '${Package}\t${db-fsys:Last-Modified}\n' | awk -e 
'{ print strftime("%Y/%m/%d %T",$2 ) "\t" $1}'


I put the date first so that you can easily pipe it though sort and get 
a list of packages from oldest to newest.


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Re: webp is a nuisance

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

webp is awesome, but has the problem that it's relatively new so not 
everything supports it by default.


If you want to convert install imagemagic to get the convert command:
apt install imagemagick

then all you have to do is:
convert your_webp_image.webp new_jpeg_image.jpg

That will give you a jpeg version of the original webp.  You could also 
use GIMP and just load and the export to a jpeg.


Keep in mind that the image will get bigger and that webp does stuff 
that jpeg does like transparency.  If the image has transparency, you're 
better off converting it to a png.  That will most likely make it a lot 
bigger, but you will keep you transparency intact.


Brian Cluff

On 1/4/23 18:36, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

webp is a nuisance (imho).

I tried to: sudo apt install webp
so I could convert them to jpgs
and that did not work.

It is also not in synoptic.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Meeting tomorrow

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Looks like the link changed a bit over time so there was an /b/ in the 
path.  I've corrected the link on the website.


https://lufthans.bigbluemeeting.com/plu-yuk-7xx

Brian Cluff

On 12/19/22 07:01, Rob Mike via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi guys,

Will there be a meeting tomorrow.  If so what is the big blue button link?  The 
one on the website is broken.

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Re: Thank you Brian ... plus a question ...

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In KDE look in the Power Managment -> Energy Saving  There should be a 
setting on what to do when the lid is closed.  You can probably just 
uncheck the lid button setting and then it will do nothing.


That being said, I would keep your lid open at least a little bit. 
Having the lid closed causes the machine to get quite a bit hotter than 
if you can have the lid open to let the heat out.  Even if the machine 
doesn't overheat and crash on you now, it will be thermally throttling 
and you'll only get a fraction of the performance out of it that you 
could be.


Brian Cluff

On 11/1/22 16:38, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thank you Brian for solving the issue of missing
PLUG email messages. All is well now.

Linux Mint on Thinkpad laptop used to run fine
24/7 with the lid closed as I use an external
monitor, keyboard, and mouse. But recently
something changed (and I don't know what) but
now, I have to have the lid up for it to work.

What settings can I change to get it to work
again with the lid closed?

Also, I have another Thinkpad running Linux Mint
onto which I rsync backup all of my files; and
I'd like to be able to do that to that second
device without having to lift the lid and sign
in in order to do my backups.

Thanks PLUG friends. ~Joe
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Re: Is email to me working yet?

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

It looks like I was finally able to get someone at cloudmark to listen 
to me and the PLUG email is now getting through again.  For everyone 
that hasn't been receiving PLUG email for the last couple of weeks, 
welcome back.  Please check the PLUG mailing list archive for what 
you've missed.

Archive: https://lists.phxlinux.org/lurker/list/plug-discuss.en.html

Cloudmark kept giving me an error of phxlinux.org seem to be a generic 
domain name which we won't trust How stupid is their software, there 
isn't even a third level on there.  Something that just counted the 
periods in the domain would have worked better than whatever they are 
using.  Anyway, move along, nothing to see here.


Brian Cluff

On 10/22/22 18:21, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Is email to me working yet?

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Re: Gimp

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On 9/22/22 12:53, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Another Gimp problem is that its toolbox of tiny icons is actively hostile to 
those
of us with lesser visual accuities

Edit -> Preferences
Interface -> Icon Theme
Change"Guess icon theme from resolution" to "Custom icon size" and crank 
it up till you can see it.


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Re: video editors

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On 9/3/22 19:09, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

I seem to recall you are using some paid for software as of late?

Nope, I'm pretty much using nothing of F/OSS on my computer.

And I think I recall you were using kdenlive at some point in the past?
I still use kdenlive for pretty much everything.  I do own a copy of 
Davici resolve studio, but I don't use it.  That being said, if I needed 
to do some color color grading I would definitely reach for my copy of 
Davinci Resolve, it color processing is amazing, but most poeple don't 
need that.

Weren't you recording the PLUG meetings before Covid?

Yup, that was me.

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Re: video editors

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If it's been a while since you tried it, it might be worth a look again, 
not that it'll beat Davinci Resolve in features (which I assume you 
meant by Black magic design).  The kdenlive team did a massive rewrite a 
couple of years ago and it was relatively unstable for a bit... but its 
had a couple of years to mature to its new form and it's quite good and 
stable now, again.


Brian

On 9/3/22 10:47, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote:

KDenlive crashed on me over and over. It made it impossible for me to edit 
anything over 5 minutes. I bought a license for black magic design and that has 
solved all my issues. I love it. It’s worth the $180 or whatever.


On Sep 3, 2022, at 6:46 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss 
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Hi,

This is probably off topic since it has to do with video editors.  I understand 
kdenlive - https://kdenlive.org/en/ - is probably the best Linux free video 
editor.

The need is for editing simple YouTube videos.  I think one only needs to know 
how to do a hand-full of tasks.  This is not for Hollywood level video editing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks!!

Keith
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Re: burn to cd

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What your talking about is a multisession CD.

The amount of data a CD (700MB) or even a DVD (4.7GB) holds is 
practically nothing by today's standards, plus a blank CD or DVD is only 
about 20 cents.  So it's not worth losing data because you tried to get 
fancy and save a couple of cents with your storage. Just burn whole 
disks at once and then check them before you delete the originals.


I'm fairly sure that files are an SSD are relatively immune to EM 
stuff.  If something happens big enough to wipe a drive that's just 
sitting in storage, you'll likely not care about computers anymore 
because you'll be fighting people for food and water.


Brian Cluff

On 8/30/22 19:30, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I have some files that need a more permanent storage than a flash 
drive which can be done away with by an EMP. How would I burn a file 
to a cd and leave the disk able to have more added to the disk at a 
later date?


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Re: Photoshop

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Is gimp not an option?  It should be good for whatever you are going to 
use Photoshop for, and it doesn't require an emulation later to work.


Brian Cluff

On 8/30/22 16:22, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

preferably something I can use to remove flash shadows

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:19 PM Michael  wrote:

okay. what is the best photo editing software that will work with
wine>?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 11:46 AM Stephen Partington
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Lutris may shed some light on your options.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 11:41 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss
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Do I need a certain photoshop or what?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 11:38 AM Michael
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Well, I'm going to the darkside. How do I install
photoshop on Linux?

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Re: Dock Replacement under Wayland

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Version 3.4 of cairo dock says that it supports wayland.
If you're running KDE, you can load latte dock.  I don't know if it 
functionally does what you're looking for, but it will give you that OSX 
look and feel and integrates nicely with KDE.


Brian Cluff



On 7/15/22 21:59, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
GLX-Dock is actually the older form of Cairo dock, go figure, probably 
broken too I'd presume.  Lemme see!


Sadly no docks seem to work worth a damn in wayland. Argh!  FML!  
Wayland defeated by shite dock software.


-mb

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 9:46 PM Stephen Partington 
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You try this one yet?

https://glx-dock.org/mr_article.php?b=5=73


On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, 12:44 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
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I've used cairo-dock forever, sort of an unforgiving bastard,
but the best dock out there imho for linux still.  I've tried
a lot, but found cairo doesn't work under wayland that is my
weekend adventure to replace the infernal xorg compositors
worth about shite for anything 4k res or higher.

Wayland seems so far like 1000% better than standard kwin
compositing in the first hour(s), I just really need something
like cairo-dock I've used for like a decade or more.

Any thoughts on a replacement?  Not seeing much right now,
can't be this bad in the wayland landscape still, is it?

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Re: Disabling special keys

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Under system setting go to input devices and then keyboard.  Under the 
keyboard settings click on the advanced tab and then check Configure 
keyboard options.  Then scroll down to "Position of Compose key" and 
expand that.  Then just select the key you want to use to access the 
special characters "Left Win" if you want it to be the same as it was in 
the past.


Brian Cluff

On 7/12/22 22:41, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I've got Kubuntu 20.04 and  there's no /usr/src/linux.    In /usr/src 
there are several directories with linux in the name, one is 
linux-headers-5.4.0-48.  In each one there's a drivers/hid directory, 
but I didn't find the maker of the keyboard.  I bought it off that 
website named after the big river in Brazil.  The brand  name was 
Nulea.  However, I did find a way to stop that key from annoying me 
when I hit it by accident.  I took the key off and removed that little 
bit of plastic that was under the key and replaced it.


About a year ago, I  wanted to be able to access the degree (°) 
without launching an app to show  the seldom used characters then 
finding the one I wanted and copying it and pasting it.  I found a way 
to modify the windows key so if I hold it down while pressing o twice, 
I get °.   The problem is that I forgot how or where I found out how 
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Re: Falling SSD prices ~ good evidence ;)

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On 6/29/22 10:22, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Pretty good evidence to refute all the
noise about inflation and shortages.
Except a good 240G SSD could easily be found for $25 a couple of years 
ago, so they have doubled in price.  I wish they were cheaper again.  I 
use them for my Blackmagic camera and it chews from storage space very 
quickly, even in it's "low" quality.  In it's high quality it can use up 
a 240G drive in as little at 10 minutes It's not a consumer grade 
camera.


Brian Cluff


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Re: Falling SSD prices
I was looking at SSDs because I want to buy another one.
About 6 years ago I bought a 1TB Samsung SSD for $300
I like the Samsung EVO SSDs.
Today on Good Egg I saw:
250GB is $49
500GB is $59
1TB is $99.
These have come down a bunch. *


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Re: find usage

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Try:
find . -name Marriage
or
find . | grep Marriage

The first one will only match fines that are exactly names "Marriage" 
while the second one will match any files with "Marriage" as part of the 
name.  Both versions in this case are care sensitive.


See the find man page for for variations on these.  Look for the second 
about expressions.


Brian Cluff

On 6/27/22 11:32, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I need to find out where I hopefully moved a file.
So I'm opening the directory I'm searching in a terminal and type:

find Marriage .

but it just gives me a listing of what is below '.' (I guess). What am 
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Re: What do I need to know to run Linux as my desktop?

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It might be worth giving Kubuntu a second try.  It's much much faster, 
and much much leaner.  It also went though an almost complete rewrite 
since you last used it.  It's a completely different animal these days 
to what you used back them.


Brian Cluff

On 4/17/22 09:53, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I had tried Kubuntu and did not like it.


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Re: flv to ogg

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MP4, AVI, MOV, FLV...etc...etc are container formats.  Think of them as 
specialty file systems that hold the various "files" that make up of the 
video.  Those parts can include the video, the audio, subtitles, 
thumbnail images, meta data... etc...etc.. and often time multiple 
versions of any combination of those.


The various containers can usually hold a number of different types of 
video formats inside them such as h.264, h.264/HEVC, MPEG4, Theora, VP8, 
VP9, AV1.  Then there are different audio formats and they can usually 
use just about anything you can think of as an audio codec, such as MP2, 
WAV but often times they use formats that you don't usually see outside 
of a video pairing like AC3, AAC, but there's no reason you couldn't 
just have an stand alone audio file in any format that can be encoded 
into a video.


So just looking at the suffix of the video file won't tell you anything 
about if your computer can play it back or not.  What you really need to 
know is the CODECS that make up various parts of the video are and the 
resolution that the video is stored at.   Your computer will have an 
easier time of with some video formats than others.  You'll find that 
your computer will usually have an easier time with older video formats 
that are much larger because the hardware decompressing support for that 
format is baked into the GPU or the CPU, so you'll find that putting a 
newer generation video card into even an old computer can make it 
instantly be able to play back the most modern 4K video simply because 
all the decompressing is happening on the GPU and the CPU has little to 
do with it.


If you have VLC, you can go to "Tools -> Codec Information" and "Tools 
-> Media Information" and it will give you a rough breakdown of what 
makes up your particular video.
Another really nice tool is mediainfo ( apt install mediainfo ). Just 
run that with your video file name as the argument and it will spit out 
info about all the various parts that make up your video (or audio) file.


Brian Cluff
PS
My personal favorite container format is MKV since it seems to be able 
to hold just about anything you throw at it without limitation.



On 4/7/22 08:46, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

about converting it to x264. is this going to be an mp4 file?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:53 AM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss 
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ok now try

|ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -codec:v libtheora -qscale:v 3 -codec:a
libvorbis -qscale:a 3 -f ogv output.ogg |

|you might also want to try converting it to x264 just google
convert video to ffmpeg x264 |


On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:22 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

forgot to mention the ones that would not load

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:19 PM Michael  wrote:

I meant 1080 not 1099.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:16 PM Michael 
wrote:

I did. Those ones stuttered. The other ones had 2 hour
downloads. The 1099 ogg file stuttered.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:10 PM Bob Elzer via
PLUG-discuss  wrote:

I would try the mp4 versions too


On Wed, Apr 6, 2022, 3:07 PM Michael via
PLUG-discuss  wrote:

After further investigation I found
720p_stereo.ogg


and 480p_stereo.ogg


work. So I need to convert it to one of those
formats.
I assume you want me to convert it to 720.
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Re: How to refresh the list of updates?

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Those 2 repositories are from get-deb and are probably not significant 
to the system.  My biggest concern is that they are pointing at an 
Ubuntu 14.04 repository  Is your machine running Ubuntu 14.04?  If 
so, that version stopped being supported in 2019, unless you pay Ubuntu 
a subscription for extended support.  In any case that's probably not 
your main problem.


I don't like using any of the GUIs for big updates because they haven't 
been very good at handing odd problems and end up breaking your system 
when they don't know what to do, especially on the older versions of the 
distributions.


I'd do the upgrade from the command line and just do:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade

The update command will likely give you the same error about the getdeb 
packages.  You could comment those repositories out if the error is 
bugging you.
Upgrading from the command line will hopefully give you a nice human 
readable error that you will be able to handle and get the install to 
finish.


Brian Cluff

On 3/31/22 20:11, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks Brian ... Followed your suggestion (quoted below)
and finally got the  update to work (sort of) ... but with
these error messages (and a bunch of other problems):

The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted 
because of network problems. If available an older version of the 
failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. 
Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the 
preferences is correct.


Failed to fetch 
http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/trusty-getdeb/apps/binary-amd64/Packages 
 gnutls_handshake() failed: Handshake failed
Failed to fetch 
http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/trusty-getdeb/apps/binary-i386/Packages 
 gnutls_handshake() failed: Handshake failed
Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old 
ones used instead.


The application launcher just "blinks" and does not open,
so I cannot access anything there.

So, I tried this:  t420: sudo synaptic ... [sudo] password for joe: ...
and got these error messages:

** (synaptic:2749): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus 
address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name 
org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 14: reading 
configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. please move it to 
/home/joe/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf manually


(synaptic:2749): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion 
'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed


And ... now I have no sound and I am seeing a variety of
weird problems, including the size of the display changes
(fonts increasing in size) arbitrarily and spuriously in
some applications. So, I have to CTRL - repeatedly to
reduce the contents image size.


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It says you have a duplicate entry for your google chrome
repository in your sources.list file, which could be in just
/etc/apt/sources.list  or in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
or any combination of the two. I'd check it with:
cd /etc/apt; grep -r chrome sources.list*
and see which files it come back as having a match and
then just delete one of the lines in the file, or the whole
file if it's only has one repository line in it.


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Re: How to refresh the list of updates?

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It says you have a duplicate entry for your google chome repository in 
your sources.list file, which could be in just /etc/apt/sources.list or 
in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d or any combination of the two.


I'd check it with:

cd /etc/apt; grep -r chrome sources.list*

and see which files it come back as having a match and then just delete 
one of the lines in the file, or the whole file if it's only has one 
repository line in it.


Brian Cluff

On 3/26/22 13:59, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

How to refresh the list of updates?

I have a Thinkpad T420 running an older version
of Linux Mint as my main computer ... however,
I have been unable to update it because I get
this error message:

Could not refresh the list of updates

WzDuplicate sources.list entry http://dl.google.com/linux/
chrome/deb/ stable/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/
dLgoog|e.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-
amd64_packages).
Encountered a section with no package: header,
Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
archive.getdeb.net_ubuntu_dists_trusty—
getdeb_apps_i18n_Translation-en,
The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.

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Re: GNOME or KDE?

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On 3/22/22 16:20, AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was thinking of trying KDE, but do I have to re-install a new 
Kubuntu O/S to have KDE or is there a way to install the KDE desktop 
on my Ubuntu 20.04 (Gnome) desktop?


Strictly speaking, yes you can install KDE and GNOME at the same time, 
but it can lead to the 2 desktops fighting for which desktop gets to 
handle settings on the other and which programs are the default as well 
as other quirks which can lead to a strange and sub-optimal desktop 
experience.
You could also tell the system to completely uninstall GNOME, but by the 
time you got it completely removed you would find it faster to just put 
a fresh install of Kubuntu on your system.


If I were you I would just  backup my home directory and do a fresh install.

In the past the (k)ubuntu installer would preserve your home directory 
when it detected you were installing a system over an existing install.  
I don't know if that's still true, but if it is, it would make it an 
extremely fast switch... but make sure you backup your home just in case 
it doesn't work anymore.


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PLUG and Politics

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

This is a place for discussing Linux and subjects surrounding Linux.  
This is not the proper place for general political discussions.
No matter where you fall politically, you are going to offend around 1/2 
the people on this mailing list.


Please take the Political discussions some place else where they are 
more appropriate.


Brian Cluff
Phoenix Linux Users Group

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Re: cmos battery

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

The clock will continue to keep time, it will just lose the current set 
time if the computer is turned off.  You might not even notice the 
battery is dead if you are running NTP to set the time since that till 
set the clock to the current time every time you boot.


Brian Cluff

On 11/14/21 10:47 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

When it begins to die does the clock not keep accurate time?

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Re: Kdenlive + Audacity noise reduction

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I've never had that problem.  I actually do this for every video I've 
made for plug.  I just use the export audio function from within 
kdenlive and then do whatever processing I need to do on it and then 
simply save it back out as a wav again (or more recently a flac file so 
save space) and load it into kdenlive, making sure to line the beginning 
of the audio clip up with the beginning of it's video.  They've lined up 
every single time.  You just have to make sure that you don't cut any 
parts out from either the video or the audio before reassembling them in 
kdenlive.


That being said if you somehow did get your audio off, you'll need for 
look for some visual clue as to when things happen and simply slide the 
audio over until it lines up.  I used to have to do this for every 
single plug video when I first started because I was capturing the audio 
completely separate from the video.  Ideally you would use a 
clapperboard or just simply have someone on camera clap once so you 
could see the clap and line up the corresponding clap sound with the 
clap motion.


Brian Cluff

On 9/21/21 11:15 AM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. via PLUG-discuss wrote:

All,

I have a video that I want to reduce noise. I can extract the audio 
and cancell the noise via Audacity. However when I try to join it to 
the video clip in Kdenlive it is out of sync. I have looked and cannot 
find a solution for this. Any help would be appreciated.


Regards,
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Re: Handbrake, Flatpak and Pop OS

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Not having libdvdcss in the flatpak sandbox would probably be the 
culprit.  I just tried installing the flatpak myself to see if I could 
figure out how to make handbrake aware of the dvdcss library and 
immediately remembered why I got rid of any and all flatpak stuff on my 
system.  It wanted to download a gigabyte of support flatpak crap to go 
along with the handbrake install.  That might be fine if I was going to 
use a ton of flatpaked stuff, but it's seems rather excessive for the 
one or 2 flatpaks I've ever come across that I might want.
...so it didn't get installed.  I'll find a different way to get the 
latest version on my system.


Brian Cluff

On 9/4/21 2:50 PM, Steve B wrote:
I uninstalled the Flatpak version and installed an older Deb package 
and now everything is working again.


Could it be that libdvdcss is not part of the Flatpak version, or that 
the Flatpak technology is unable to access libdvdcss outside of it's 
sandbox?



On Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 10:08 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss 
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Sounds like you are missing libdvdcss available from:
https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
<https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html>

Without that installed the system has no way to decrypt your DVDs
so they will appear pixelated

Brian Cluff

On 8/31/21 8:07 PM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Recently I reinstalled Handbrake to Linux (Pop OS) hoping to
start ripping DVDs again. Previously it was a deb package but it
appears Handbrake has moved to Flatpak for Linux distribution.

This version of Handbrake is not working for me and I'm
struggling to understand what I am doing wrong. When Handbrake
scans the DVD it does not find anything. I have to open and start
the DVD in VLC and then Handbrake it will find it in its scan.
What it does find shows as pixelated in both the preview as well
as any rip it makes for me. I've tried a handful of the presets
and no matter what I chose I get the same pixelated output.

Are there any other Flatpak/Handbrake users in this group that
have it working successfully for them who can give me some guidance?

Steve

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Re: Handbrake, Flatpak and Pop OS

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Sounds like you are missing libdvdcss available from:
https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html

Without that installed the system has no way to decrypt your DVDs so 
they will appear pixelated


Brian Cluff

On 8/31/21 8:07 PM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Recently I reinstalled Handbrake to Linux (Pop OS) hoping to start 
ripping DVDs again. Previously it was a deb package but it appears 
Handbrake has moved to Flatpak for Linux distribution.


This version of Handbrake is not working for me and I'm struggling to 
understand what I am doing wrong. When Handbrake scans the DVD it does 
not find anything. I have to open and start the DVD in VLC and then 
Handbrake it will find it in its scan. What it does find shows as 
pixelated in both the preview as well as any rip it makes for me. I've 
tried a handful of the presets and no matter what I chose I get the 
same pixelated output.


Are there any other Flatpak/Handbrake users in this group that have it 
working successfully for them who can give me some guidance?


Steve

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Keeping on topic

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Please keep the conversion roughly on topic of Linux and the topics 
surrounding Linux such as computers, software.  We can even talk about 
politics as long as it's the politics that directly have something to do 
with our common interest.


We've been drifting into  topics lately that have nothing to do with our 
collective interest.
You don't have to drop your conversion, but please take it into private 
messages or somewhere else more appropriate.


Thanks,
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Re: I need help creating a partition.

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You appear to be making it a lot more complicated than it is. You've for 
the -F flag on there which means to force the certain options which 
might not name sense.  Then you've got "-O ^64bit" to disable the 64bit 
feature which means you can only have a partition of around 4 gigs max.  
Then you've got "-L '/opt'" which is just the label for the partition, 
but I'd remove the / from the beginning of your label so it doesn't 
cause confusion or problems later when you use it in your config files.  
You also seem to be changing that label between "/home" and "/opt" so 
I'm guessing that the -L command doesn't do what you think it's going 
(insert mandatory scene from princess bride here).
The biggest problem you have with you command is the number at the end.  
That number tells the mkfs to format that much space even if the size of 
the partition is different.


I think you'll have much better luck if you try something simple like, 
but only do the -L "opt" part if that truly is the label you'd like your 
drive to have otherwise change it to something more appropriate or 
simply leave it off :

mkfs.ext4 -L "opt" /dev/sdc10

Brian Cluff

On 7/25/21 7:09 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

gparted is failing me.It is a logical partition(/dev/sdc10) labled
/home. It is 48 GB large. here is my attempt at using mkfs:

michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10'  00:00:03
[sudo] password for michael:
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
mkfs.ext4: invalid blocks '00:00:03' on device '/dev/sdc10'
michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 500
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
/dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system
created on Sun Jul 25 21:38:59 2021
64-bit filesystem support is not enabled.  The larger fields afforded
by this feature enable full-strength checksumming.  Pass -O 64bit to
rectify.

Filesystem too small for a journal
Discarding device blocks: done
Creating filesystem with 125 4k blocks and 64 inodes

Allocating group tables: done
Writing inode tables: done
Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 125 4k
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
Usage: mkfs.ext4 [-c|-l filename] [-b block-size] [-C cluster-size]
[-i bytes-per-inode] [-I inode-size] [-J journal-options]
[-G flex-group-size] [-N number-of-inodes] [-d root-directory]
[-m reserved-blocks-percentage] [-o creator-os]
[-g blocks-per-group] [-L volume-label] [-M last-mounted-directory]
[-O feature[,...]] [-r fs-revision] [-E extended-option[,...]]
[-t fs-type] [-T usage-type ] [-U UUID] [-e errors_behavior][-z undo_file]
[-jnqvDFSV] device [blocks-count]
michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 125
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
/dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
/dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
setting up superblock
michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/home' '/dev/sdc10' 125
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
/dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
/dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
setting up superblock
michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/home' '/dev/sdc10' 125
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
/dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
/dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
setting up superblock
michael@MyNUC:~$

Hmmm not enough space? But gparted says:

All operations completed successfully though the error report says
otherwise (including saying I created a MSDOS partition when I created
ext4 partitions).

(error report)
48.00 GiB of unallocated space within the partition.
To grow the file system to fill the partition, select the partition
and choose the menu item:
Partition --> Check.

and I run the partition check and  the result is:

GParted 1.0.0

configuration --enable-libparted-dmraid --enable-online-resize

libparted 3.3



Device:/dev/sda
Model:ATA KINGSTON SUV500M
Serial:50026B7783458A92
Sector size:512
Total sectors:468862128

Heads:255
Sectors/track:2
Cylinders:919337

Partition table:msdos

PartitionTypeStartEndFlagsPartition NameFile SystemLabelMount Point
/dev/sda2Extended2046468860927bootextended
 /dev/sda6Logical2048410267647ext4/home
 /dev/sda5Logical410267648468860927ext4/



Device:/dev/sdc
Model:USB SanDisk 3.2Gen1
Serial:none
Sector size:512
Total sectors:240353280

Heads:255
Sectors/track:2
Cylinders:471280

Partition table:msdos

PartitionTypeStartEndFlagsPartition NameFile SystemLabelMount Point
/dev/sdc1Primary32240353279lbafat32



Delete /dev/sdc1 (fat32, 114.61 GiB) from /dev/sdc  00:00:01( SUCCESS )

calibrate /dev/sdc1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )

path: /dev/sdc1 (partition)
start: 32

Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

It's extremely specific to my needs that nobody else would have any use 
for it.  It's best to develop your own based on your own needs.


Sorry,
Brian Cluff

On 7/23/21 1:47 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Your shellscript would be perfect for me. Could you please post it?

SteveT

Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:09:34 -0700


I just use a shell script with a bunch of iptables rules in it not
for everyone, but it works for me.

Brian Cluff

On 7/22/21 9:28 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Do you have a RaspbPI working as a NATting firewall? If so, what
software and what techniques did you use? On casual research, IPFire
looks good. I have a 10 year old computer burning electricity and
heating the house, and would like to replace it with a Raspberry Pi
if possible.

In my situation the LAN is Gigabit, and the Internet is 70Mbit down,
about 2.5Mbit up.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: cost to operate.

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Power supply ratings are their maximum output they are capable of. 
Computer power supplies are going to be oversized (if the computer was 
built right) otherwise they wouldn't last for very long and would run 
very hot.  Computers, especially modern ones,  power usage is going to 
vary wildly from one second to the next based on it's load and what's 
connected to it.  If your system is just sitting there, on, doing 
nothing, it will likely be under 100watts, especially if the monitor is 
off, asleep or non-existent.  Servers will tend to draw more, because 
they have a lot more fans, hard drives, and power profiles that don't 
allow for them throttle as much.


Even if you do have a system that only uses 50 watts normally, I still 
recommend getting something low power like a raspberry pi to serve your  
house because even if you have to buy the PI and the existing computer 
is free, the PI will quickly pay for itself and after that it's almost 
free to run it... and a lot more quiet and you also don't have to pay 
for your air conditioner to cool off the room that your higher power 
computer heated up which is also a very real cost that hasn't really 
been mentioned yet.


I had to argue with an electrician about power supply sizes when I build 
a computer lab with custom built computers with massively oversized 
power supplies.  He went around adding out all the wattage ratings of 
the power supplies and decided that my 30 computer lab would require a 
minimum of 15 circuits in order to not pop breakers.  I never could 
convince him that I was right, and that the breakers wouldn't pop and he 
finally did want I asked him to do which was to add 4 circuits, which we 
never has any problems with.


Brian Cluff

On 7/23/21 10:22 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Based on what we have been discussing I assume my 400 watt power 
supply may be drawing much less power based on actual usage. Therefore 
maybe my computer might only be using 60 watts... making the cost lower.


Your thoughts.



On 2021-07-22 21:39, Mike Bushroe via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I usually use a mental rule of thumb that for every watt of 24/7/365
power consumption costs about $1 per year. Obviously this is failing
as electric rates keep going up. So to first order of magnitude a 100
watt server would cost around $100 a year, but if the server was using
the whole 400 watts it would cost more like $400 a year.


If my home web server is using 100 watts an hour that mean 100

watts *>> 30 days * 24 hours or 72K watts.


I'm thinking 72 * .1085 = $7.81 a month.


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Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I think you'll find that server of yours used closer to $500 than $120.  
Based on the 600watt number that you gave your usage would look like 
this on SRP right now under their normal flat rate plan:
Months 	Number of Days 	Kwh Cost 	Machine Load in Kilo watts 	Cost per 
hour(KWH cost times wattage) 	Cost per day(Cost per hour time 24 hours) 
Total Cost (Cost per time period)

May, Jun, Sep, Oct  122 0.1091  0.6 0.06546 1.57104 
191.66688
Jul,Aug 62  0.1157  0.6 0.06942 1.66608 
103.29696
Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April 	182 	0.0782 	0.6 	0.04692 	1.12608 
204.94656






Grand Total 499.9104


Even if you machine used half the power you specified it would still be 
about twice what you thought it was.


I always recommend that people don't use their old computers when it 
comes to use cases like using them for routers  because it's MUCH 
cheaper to buy something like a PI or a dedicated router than it is pay 
for power to feel a machine that uses waaay more than you need to.
With a raspberry pi under worst case useage with it being use to 100% 
capacity you'd only get charged $6.32 per year, but it would most likely 
be closer to it's idling cost of $2.82 for power:
Months 	Number of Days 	Kwh Cost 	Machine Load in Kilo watts 	Cost per 
hour(KWH cost times wattage) 	Cost per day(Cost per hour time 24 hours) 
Total Cost (Cost per time period)

May, Jun, Sep, Oct  122 0.1091  0.0076  0.00082916  0.01989984  
2.42778048
Jul,Aug 62  0.1157  0.0076  0.00087932  0.02110368  
1.30842816
Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April 	182 	0.0782 	0.0076 	0.00059432 
0.01426368 	2.59598976






Grand Total 6.3321984



Brian Cluff

On 7/21/21 3:50 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Back when I ran a home server on my Athlon X2 with 1500 W supply, the machine 
never drew that much. Even with several disks spinning, 8 VMWare instances 
going and a few other goodies, that machine never drew more than 600w at 
maximum. I kept it live 24/7 for a few years and it added less than $120 yearly 
to the electrical bill. These days, that machine is out of service and is only 
good for parts. My Mac mini, which draws at most 100 W under full load is on 
24/7 and I don’t even see it add that much to the electrical bill here. There 
are really only 3 high draw appliances in this house now:
1. The refrigerator
2. The stove/oven
3. The master cool evaporative cooler. Everything else either runs on wall 
warts or only gets used occasionally. In fact, we spend less than $150 a month 
here for electric. Now, if I put that Athlon X2 back into service, we might see 
$10 a month in extra use. I am still contemplating putting it back up and using 
it as my go to linux development machine.

-Eric
 From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Utilities Dept.


On Jul 21, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:



Hi,

I just read this quote about the electrical costs to run a web server from home:

Cost: While it may sound cheaper to use that computer lying around doing 
nothing when creating your web server, when you factor in the cost of powering 
an old computer 24 hours a day, it can get very expensive. A 250W desktop 
computer running 24 hours per day at 12 cents per KW/h is a whopping $262.00 
per year!

---
I think their math is wrong.

The average residential electricity rate in Chandler is 10.85¢/kWh.

I'm thinking a low traffic PHP web server running on an old Dell with a 400 
watt power supply is not using but maybe 100 watts on average.  I've read that 
the computer should use no more than half the power supply capacity.  Is this 
correct?

If my home web server is using 100 watts an hour that mean 100 watts * 30 days 
* 24 hours or 72K watts.

I'm thinking 72 * .1085 = $7.81 a month.

Any thoughts are much appreciated.

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Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I just use a shell script with a bunch of iptables rules in it not 
for everyone, but it works for me.


Brian Cluff

On 7/22/21 9:28 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Do you have a RaspbPI working as a NATting firewall? If so, what
software and what techniques did you use? On casual research, IPFire
looks good. I have a 10 year old computer burning electricity and
heating the house, and would like to replace it with a Raspberry Pi if
possible.

In my situation the LAN is Gigabit, and the Internet is 70Mbit down,
about 2.5Mbit up.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Get yourself a Raspberry pi 4, which should be more than powerful to 
learn on,  they only use 3.4 watts which should amount to just slightly 
more $2 per year, and when your done with your project you'll have a 
Raspberry PI... then you can make an any number of awesome things with 
it.  I must have a dozen of them around my house doing various things to 
make my life better.


Brian Cluff

On 7/21/21 10:29 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:


I think there might be some on this list that are struggling and that 
is why they are here - cheep old hardware that runs Linux well.


I need to watch my dollars and sense

The reason for the question is I am building a home web PHP server... 
It is for learning.


If it really cost $15 - $20 a month to run a server, then a $20 VPS at 
Digital Ocean becomes an option for the same cost and D.O. gives more.


I think anyone running their own web server or whatever they may need 
is a great way to learn about the hardware and the software stack.




On 2021-07-21 09:54, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

$262 a YEAR. If you can't afford $22 more a month you need a less
expensive hobby.
Don't go out to eat one less time a month. Go to the movies one less
time a month. I'm sure you can figure out something else to do one
less time a month.





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On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:34 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:




Hi,

I just read this quote about the electrical costs to run a web server
from home:

Cost: While it may sound cheaper to use that computer lying around 
doing

nothing when creating your web server, when you factor in the cost of
powering an old computer 24 hours a day, it can get very expensive. A
250W desktop computer running 24 hours per day at 12 cents per KW/h 
is a

whopping $262.00 per year!

---
I think their math is wrong.

The average residential electricity rate in Chandler is 10.85¢/kWh.

I'm thinking a low traffic PHP web server running on an old Dell with a
400 watt power supply is not using but maybe 100 watts on average.  
I've

read that the computer should use no more than half the power supply
capacity.  Is this correct?

If my home web server is using 100 watts an hour that mean 100 watts *
30 days * 24 hours or 72K watts.

I'm thinking 72 * .1085 = $7.81 a month.

Any thoughts are much appreciated.

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Re: help with printing

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Looks like the latest version of PhotoPrint is 11 years old, so they 
probably dropped it because it's become difficult to compile on the 
latest systems and it appears to be


Try Gwenview.
Select the images you want included and then go to Plugins -> Images -> 
Print Assistant
There appears to be a bug in gwenview that causes the Print assistant to 
be greyed out.  If this happens, just deselect your images and select 
them again and print assistant will be available.


You can also use Digikam.
Select the images you want included and then go to Tools -> Print Creator

Hope that's the type of thing you were looking for.

Brian Cluff

On 7/13/21 8:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I need a printing program which has layout management. I was told
about photoprint but it has been removed from the repository. I also
heard about krokus but it too is not in the repository and I tried to
compile it but the dependencies weren't in the repository so I got
uncomfortable with that.



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Re: disable full screen apps in KDE

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

You may have forgotten to click "Apply" on the main System Settings 
window like I did the first time I was testing it.  Clicking OK on the 
windows settings windows isn't enough for it to take effect.


Brian

On 6/10/21 1:16 PM, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 2021-06-10 11:37, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:

System Settings -> Window Managment -> Window Rules
 Click on New
 Set the Description to something like "No Full Screen" and leave
everything else alone, it they should all be set to Unimportant.
 Click on the "Size & Position" tab
 Check the box next to "Fullscreen" then change the select box next
to it to "Force"  and the bubble next to that should be set to "No"
 Click OK and it will warn you with the verbage that means that it's
going to match ALL windows which would normally not be good, but
that's what you want.
 Then click Apply on the main System Setting windows and enjoy your
no full screen system.


The first time I tried this, it worked; pushing the "Full Screen" 
button on gwenview put the full screen mode of gwenview into 
gwenview's window and did not expand the window.  Then I removed the 
rule, and full screen in gwenview worked again.  Then I thought "Wait, 
what about GTK+ applications?"  I put the rule back.  Gimp's full 
screen mode went to full screen, which I sort of expected.  So did 
gwenview's, which I did not.


And now every application is able to go full screen, regardless of the 
rule's presence.  I'm a bit confused as to why it'd work the first 
time and not the second time.




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Re: disable full screen apps in KDE

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

System Settings -> Window Managment -> Window Rules
Click on New
Set the Description to something like "No Full Screen" and leave 
everything else alone, it they should all be set to Unimportant.

Click on the "Size & Position" tab
Check the box next to "Fullscreen" then change the select box next to it 
to "Force"  and the bubble next to that should be set to "No"
Click OK and it will warn you with the verbage that means that it's 
going to match ALL windows which would normally not be good, but that's 
what you want.
Then click Apply on the main System Setting windows and enjoy your no 
full screen system.


To create an exception to your blanket rules:
Right click on title bar of the application you want to make an 
exception for and go to "More Actions" -> "Configure Special Application 
Settings..."
Then select the "Size & Position" and put a check next to "Fullscreen" 
and set the select box to "Do Not Effect"

Click OK and enjoy your Fullscreen exception!

Brian Cluff

PS, if you're running the latest version of KDE the interface is a 
little different.  In that case instead of clicking on the "Size & 
Position" tab you just have to click on Add Property at the bottom and 
look/search for "Fullscreen" and set all the same options as above.


On 6/10/21 12:07 AM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Am 08. Jun, 2021 schwätzte Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss so:


On 2021-06-08 13:34, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
is there an easyish way to totally disable apps from going full 
screen in

KDE?

I do want to be able to ocassionally re-enable full screen for an 
app, but

am fine if I first have to acknowledge that it's a horrible idea and I
deserve the repercussions :)


Why?  This seems like a strange thing to want.


Because I have a visceral negative reaction when apps unwantedly go full
screen. Aside from messing with my workflow it really, really annoys me.

I don't think you can do this easily.  I tried going into System 
Settings -> Window Management -> Window Rules and setting the maximum 
size of a gwenview window to 1024x768.  This made it so that the 
gwenview windows all snapped to that size, and it was not possible to 
make them larger using normal window manager operations.  However, 
the "Full Screen" button still made a gwenview window take over the 
whole screen.


This is probably controlled by the KToggleFullScreenAction code, 
which gets kind of low-level in that it calls QT functions you're not 
supposed to call directly from KDE.  Fiddling with this part of 
KWidgetsAddons without recompiling everything is probably a non-starter.


Yeah, probably difficult, but it shouldn't be. I will keep searching for
my own version of nerdvana.

ciao,

der.hans

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Re: Editing firefox.desktop

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

You can have you cake and eat it too, just do:
dpkg-divert --add --no-rename /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop
That will tell the packaging system to write any future version of 
/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop file to 
/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop.distrib instead so your local 
changes won't be over written... and if you find that stuff is acting 
weird in the future you can look in 
/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop.distrib and see if anything has 
changed, and apply it to your locally changed version.


Brian Cluff

On 3/23/21 9:12 PM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Success -  I could not get any farther than what I posted the other 
day using ~./local/share/applications/sandfox.desktop, but I achieved 
100% success by editing /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop.


Under the main {Desktop Entry] I appended "sandbox" to the Actions 
parameter and then created a new [Desktop Action sandbox] submenu with 
the lines:

[Desktop Action sandbox]
Name=Open in a sandbox
Exec=firejail --apparmor --private --dns=89.233.43.71 --net=eno1 
--netfilter=/etc/firejail/nolocal.net <http://nolocal.net> --seccomp 
firefox -no-remote


Now if I right click on Firefox I have "Open in a new window", "Open 
in a new private window" and "Open in a sandbox". A quick "firejail 
--list" confirms firefox is running with the full parameter string. 
Yes, I'll have to add it every time Firefox updates, but for now I'm 
willing to live with that. Gives me motivation to look into John's 
suggestion of learning to patch the file.


Also found that my firejail-profile package was corrupted and that is 
why I could not get --net= to work. Purged and reinstalled the package 
which solved that problem.




On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 9:35 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


That's what we are talking about.  You can put your own
firefox.desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/ and it will
supersede the package installed version of the file. I've found
just about everything in linux has a similar directory hierarchy
so you have control over a complete system and/or individual
program by putting alternative versions of config files in their
proper places.

According to the spec
(https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html

<https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html>)
the order that the .desktop files are searched for is in
$XDG_DATA_DIRS and the first one found is used.

Brian Cluff

On 3/22/21 6:40 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:

You know, I fscking hate this between distros, but for arch on
mine, it's /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop, and every
time I update it resets to defaults I hate.  I keep a copy of
firefox.desktop as I need a menu to create a "choose profile"
menu for firefox when I need many profiles for different
customers, all with their own needs like different google and
microsith profiles for orfice365.  Make sure you're hitting the
right file for the distro as different from deb/ubuntu/mint.

I'd say copy a working entry outside where you find the *.desktop
files, and just replace what works in a remote location to
upgrade when your dist.  Firefox is the only thing to overwrite
and piss me off every time that I know to copy this when I
update.  I normally just right click and do "Choose profile" for
firefox for the plethora of profiles, adding that option to my
firefox.desktop file, but apparently I'm the only person to do
this, so shenanigans needed.  Same as yours I presume.  Start
with a working one at least.

I need to play with this some, as I'd love to relaunch my 6-7
firefox profiles automatically, and not screw with my options to
launch manually.  I'm sure there are easier ways to do this
normally, but I'm lazy to do so.  /me shrugs

-mb


On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:31 AM Steve B via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

Thank you. The original goal was to add it to the menu in Pop
OS. I'll look again, but don't recall seeing it after I
created it in ~/.local/share/applications. Do I need to use
    "--register-app" to add it, or should it just show up?

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:30 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

A desktop file is standardized configuration file for
Linux desktops that describe how to represent a program
in the menus (complete with multiple language support),
and how to launch it.  So you can't just launch it
directly because it doesn't mean anything to the command
line. It sho

Re: Editing firefox.desktop

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

That's what we are talking about.  You can put your own firefox.desktop 
file in ~/.local/share/applications/ and it will supersede the package 
installed version of the file.  I've found just about everything in 
linux has a similar directory hierarchy so you have control over a 
complete system and/or individual program by putting alternative 
versions of config files in their proper places.


According to the spec 
(https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html) 
the order that the .desktop files are searched for is in $XDG_DATA_DIRS 
and the first one found is used.


Brian Cluff

On 3/22/21 6:40 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
You know, I fscking hate this between distros, but for arch on mine, 
it's /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop, and every time I update 
it resets to defaults I hate.  I keep a copy of firefox.desktop as I 
need a menu to create a "choose profile" menu for firefox when I need 
many profiles for different customers, all with their own needs like 
different google and microsith profiles for orfice365.  Make sure 
you're hitting the right file for the distro as different from 
deb/ubuntu/mint.


I'd say copy a working entry outside where you find the *.desktop 
files, and just replace what works in a remote location to upgrade 
when your dist.  Firefox is the only thing to overwrite and piss me 
off every time that I know to copy this when I update.  I normally 
just right click and do "Choose profile" for firefox for the plethora 
of profiles, adding that option to my firefox.desktop file, but 
apparently I'm the only person to do this, so shenanigans needed.  
Same as yours I presume.  Start with a working one at least.


I need to play with this some, as I'd love to relaunch my 6-7 firefox 
profiles automatically, and not screw with my options to launch 
manually.  I'm sure there are easier ways to do this normally, but I'm 
lazy to do so.  /me shrugs


-mb


On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:31 AM Steve B via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


Thank you. The original goal was to add it to the menu in Pop OS.
I'll look again, but don't recall seeing it after I created it in
~/.local/share/applications. Do I need to use "--register-app" to
add it, or should it just show up?

    On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:30 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

A desktop file is standardized configuration file for Linux
desktops that describe how to represent a program in the menus
(complete with multiple language support), and how to launch
it. So you can't just launch it directly because it doesn't
mean anything to the command line.  It should however be
showing up in your menus now and so you can put it in your
favorites and easily launch it that way.

That being cause, you can kinda turn it into an executable by
adding something like the following to the very top of the
desktop file:
#!/usr/bin/kioclient5 exec

That will tell the system to execute the desktop file with
kioclient... of course you need to be running KDE for that to
work correctly.  I'm not sure what the GNOME equivalent of
that command is.

Personally I would just pretty alt+F2 or alt+space may work as
well and just start to type  "Sandboxed Web Browser" and you
may only have to type Sand or so before you can press enter
and have it launch.

Alternatives to starting it from the command line:
Create a file called sandfox in /usr/local/bin/ and put the
following into it.
#!/bin/bash
/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox $@

Then set it to be executable and then you can execute sandfox
from anywhere.

You could also set and alias with:
alias sandfox="/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox"

That will allow you to type sandfox and internally it will
replace that with "/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox". 
That should also work in most places equally well, but only
for your username.
That's a one shot way of making that available.  If you want
it to be permanent you'll need to add that line to your
.bashrc file with:
echo alias sandfox='"/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox"'
>>~/.bashrc

I can't remember what your original goals were, so I hope the
above isn't completely shooting the dark.

Brian Cluff

On 3/19/21 10:25 PM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I took Brian's recommendation and created a file in
~/.local/share/applications called sandfox.desktop. Contents
of that file are:

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Type=Application
Ic

Re: Editing firefox.desktop

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I don't know about GNOME which I assume your using being the default 
desktop environment for Pop OS, but in KDE, which I'm using, they just 
show up automatically.  I would think it would show up in the menu as 
"Sandboxed Web Browser"



Brian Cluff

On 3/22/21 11:30 AM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Thank you. The original goal was to add it to the menu in Pop OS. I'll 
look again, but don't recall seeing it after I created it in 
~/.local/share/applications. Do I need to use "--register-app" to add 
it, or should it just show up?


On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:30 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


A desktop file is standardized configuration file for Linux
desktops that describe how to represent a program in the menus
(complete with multiple language support), and how to launch it. 
So you can't just launch it directly because it doesn't mean
anything to the command line.  It should however be showing up in
your menus now and so you can put it in your favorites and easily
launch it that way.

That being cause, you can kinda turn it into an executable by
adding something like the following to the very top of the desktop
file:
#!/usr/bin/kioclient5 exec

That will tell the system to execute the desktop file with
kioclient... of course you need to be running KDE for that to work
correctly.  I'm not sure what the GNOME equivalent of that command is.

Personally I would just pretty alt+F2 or alt+space may work as
well and just start to type  "Sandboxed Web Browser" and you may
only have to type Sand or so before you can press enter and have
it launch.

Alternatives to starting it from the command line:
Create a file called sandfox in /usr/local/bin/ and put the
following into it.
#!/bin/bash
/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox $@

Then set it to be executable and then you can execute sandfox from
anywhere.

You could also set and alias with:
alias sandfox="/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox"

That will allow you to type sandfox and internally it will replace
that with "/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox".  That should
also work in most places equally well, but only for your username.
That's a one shot way of making that available.  If you want it to
be permanent you'll need to add that line to your .bashrc file with:
echo alias sandfox='"/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox"'
>>~/.bashrc

I can't remember what your original goals were, so I hope the
above isn't completely shooting the dark.

Brian Cluff

On 3/19/21 10:25 PM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I took Brian's recommendation and created a file in
~/.local/share/applications called sandfox.desktop. Contents of
that file are:

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Type=Application
Icon=/home/steve/Pictures/firejailed_firefox128.png
Exec=/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox
Name=Sandboxed Web Browser
Terminal=false

I have it set to executable but when i try to run it
"./sandfox.desktop" I get the error:
./sandfox.desktop: line 1: [Desktop: command not found
./sandfox.desktop: line 5: --apparmor: command not found
./sandfox.desktop: line 6: Web: command not found

Is my file misconfigured or what do I not have correct?



On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 5:47 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

Under debian based distros, overriding an overwrite of ANY
installed file is easily done.
There's a really cool tool called dpkg-divert that the system
uses to take whatever files would normally be installed and
steer them into a different place so that you can put your
own version of the file in the same place without fear of it
going away on the next update.

Just do:
dpkg-divert --add --rename
/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop

In this case, that would be the overkill and less correct way
of handing the problem.  A better way would be to put your
own version of the firefox.desktop into certain directories
and that cause it to override the system version of the
config.  Put them in ~/.local/share/applications/ to change
an individual user and|| /usr/local/share/applications/ to
effect every user on the system.

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Re: Editing firefox.desktop

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

A desktop file is standardized configuration file for Linux desktops 
that describe how to represent a program in the menus (complete with 
multiple language support), and how to launch it.  So you can't just 
launch it directly because it doesn't mean anything to the command 
line.  It should however be showing up in your menus now and so you can 
put it in your favorites and easily launch it that way.


That being cause, you can kinda turn it into an executable by adding 
something like the following to the very top of the desktop file:

#!/usr/bin/kioclient5 exec

That will tell the system to execute the desktop file with kioclient... 
of course you need to be running KDE for that to work correctly.  I'm 
not sure what the GNOME equivalent of that command is.


Personally I would just pretty alt+F2 or alt+space may work as well and 
just start to type  "Sandboxed Web Browser" and you may only have to 
type Sand or so before you can press enter and have it launch.


Alternatives to starting it from the command line:
Create a file called sandfox in /usr/local/bin/ and put the following 
into it.

#!/bin/bash
/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox $@

Then set it to be executable and then you can execute sandfox from anywhere.

You could also set and alias with:
alias sandfox="/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox"

That will allow you to type sandfox and internally it will replace that 
with "/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox".  That should also work in 
most places equally well, but only for your username.
That's a one shot way of making that available.  If you want it to be 
permanent you'll need to add that line to your .bashrc file with:

echo alias sandfox='"/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox"' >>~/.bashrc

I can't remember what your original goals were, so I hope the above 
isn't completely shooting the dark.


Brian Cluff

On 3/19/21 10:25 PM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I took Brian's recommendation and created a file in 
~/.local/share/applications called sandfox.desktop. Contents of that 
file are:


[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Type=Application
Icon=/home/steve/Pictures/firejailed_firefox128.png
Exec=/usr/bin/firejail --apparmor firefox
Name=Sandboxed Web Browser
Terminal=false

I have it set to executable but when i try to run it 
"./sandfox.desktop" I get the error:

./sandfox.desktop: line 1: [Desktop: command not found
./sandfox.desktop: line 5: --apparmor: command not found
./sandfox.desktop: line 6: Web: command not found

Is my file misconfigured or what do I not have correct?



On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 5:47 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


Under debian based distros, overriding an overwrite of ANY
installed file is easily done.
There's a really cool tool called dpkg-divert that the system uses
to take whatever files would normally be installed and steer them
into a different place so that you can put your own version of the
file in the same place without fear of it going away on the next
update.

Just do:
dpkg-divert --add --rename /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop

In this case, that would be the overkill and less correct way of
handing the problem.  A better way would be to put your own
version of the firefox.desktop into certain directories and that
cause it to override the system version of the config.  Put them
in ~/.local/share/applications/ to change an individual user and||
/usr/local/share/applications/ to effect every user on the system.

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Re: Libre office prints some docs, not others.

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If your root drive is still almost completely full the print job is 
probably not printing because the print system is trying to write a temp 
file with the print job in your printers native language which can be 
quite large and running out of space to write it.
You're probably seeing small and simple print jobs succeed while larger 
print jobs with images are failing.


I once had someone complaining that her 22 page document was taking a 
very long time to print to a network attached printer.   It turned out 
that the 22 page document because of some bad formatting and large 
embedded images had to be turned into an 800+ meg file in order to be 
printed and then that file was having to be sent over a 100Mb connection 
which just plain took a few minutes to complete the transfer of the 
entire document to the printer, making for a very slow print.  Since it 
was a document that would be printed a lot, the fix was to recreate the 
document in a way that minimized the actual print file size.


Brian Cluff

On 3/14/21 8:40 PM, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks John (and all) ...

Now the display of different backgrounds on different
desktops (which had stopped working) has mysteriously,
and spontaneously started working again, even though
I made no changes.

And Libre office, which was knot working, has started
working again, again, even though I made no changes.

But now Libre office will print .odt documents with
plain text in portrait mode, but it will not print
an .odt document in landscape with an image in the
document.

PS: I have Mint 17.2 Mate with Brother printer HL2270DW

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It shouldn't be too hard to figure out how to change
the background image of your desktop.

Let us know which version of Mint you're currently running:


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Re: Built for Failure

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How many drives are you talking about using.  If you have a bunch of 
them, like 6 to 9 drivers, you could combine them into
2 or 3 groups of roughly equal size and then make a each chunk a RAID 0 
and then RAID those chunks up with either RAID1 or RAID5/6 depending on 
how much redundancy you want.   You could also reserve a couple of 
drives as spares if you wanted then to be able to automatically rebuild 
the drive if any of the drives fail.


Brian Cluff

On 12/30/20 3:00 PM, Seabass via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Weird question:

I can get a bunch of ancient (~2013) HDDs. Each have varying amounts 
of space, and few (if any) are ever the same size.


These were marked to be disposed, though that is just because of age 
or having plenty that are better. Thus I can take them. However, them 
being this old, and having found about 3 that eventually broke or 
never worked, I'm left with this question:


Because purchasing new drives takes too long (no idea when/if they 
would arrive), I can take as many of the decommissioned drives I'd 
like. Seeing as some failed, how does one build a system that is 
resilient to drives failing?


It can be reset as much as wanted, hardware is literally in arm's 
reach, and there is not burning need for it to be up immediately.
There is also massive (comparatively) external drive space and as many 
live boot USBs as one might desire.


So how would one build a system that is designed expecting HDD failure 
regularly?


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Re: Editing firefox.desktop

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Under debian based distros, overriding an overwrite of ANY installed 
file is easily done.
There's a really cool tool called dpkg-divert that the system uses to 
take whatever files would normally be installed and steer them into a 
different place so that you can put your own version of the file in the 
same place without fear of it going away on the next update.


Just do:
dpkg-divert --add --rename /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop

In this case, that would be the overkill and less correct way of handing 
the problem.  A better way would be to put your own version of the 
firefox.desktop into certain directories and that cause it to override 
the system version of the config.  Put them in 
~/.local/share/applications/ to change an individual user and|| 
/usr/local/share/applications/ to effect every user on the system.


Brian Cluff

On 12/25/20 12:23 PM, John Seberg via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Some thoughts that occur to me:

1) Keep your own .desktop file, like myFirefox.desktop, separate from 
firefox.desktop.

2) Create a patch routine for the existing firefox.desktop - lots of info. out 
there on the concept of patching a text file using classic utilities. This 
might be a good skill to develop, if you haven't.

3) It might be nice to know how to query the diff history of the 
firefox.desktop file in the official package for the occasion where something 
goes wrong.

4) The seemingly *daily* updates to Firefox are kind of annoying. :^)






On Friday, December 25, 2020, 11:51:01 AM MST, Steve B via PLUG-discuss 
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Thanks to all. I'd forgotten that the file would be overridden with each update 
of Firefox. For the moment I've written a quick shortcut into my bash aliases 
file, but you got me looking at some ideas to create another firefox.desktop 
file that I can use to launch the application with the firejail parameters.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 7:02 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:

Agreed customizations to firefox launchers will break with every update.  I run 
into this with arch and firefox that I add a custom command to add a menu for 
starting with profile chooser, and have to add the file back every time I 
update annoyingly.

-mb


On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 4:56 PM Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss 
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On 2020-12-23 16:39, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Is it possible to edit the firefox.desktop file such that I can
invoke "firejail --apparmor firefox -no-remote" as the default manner
in which the application starts? If so can someone point me to a guide
or provide me with an example? I'm having some difficulty finding a
resource through Google.

KDE:  right-click on the application menu, "Edit Applications",
Internet->Mozilla Firefox, edit the Command: entry so that it executes
what you want instead of the default "firefox %u" command.

Everything:  Just find whatever .desktop file is being used by your
desktop environment with "locate \*desktop | grep firefox" (there may be
a few of them.)  Then edit the Exec= line so that it invokes the command
line you want instead of the default "firefox %u".  This will almost
certainly break every time firefox gets updated though.

Alternatively, copy the default .desktop file to wherever your Desktop
directory is, then edit that, and always launch your firefox from that
icon/whatever instead of the system menu.  That will get rid of the
"menu entry goes back to default after update" problem.

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Re: Nextcloud photos backups

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I would mount your nextcloud via webdav and then rm -rf them from from 
there.  That will take care of the database records for the files.


Brian Cluff

On 11/21/20 1:41 AM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:

moin moin,

I have an old experiemental Nextcloud install where I saved some files 
and

other documents. I don't care about anything else I played with. I also
don't care about shared links because they should not have been available
anyway :).

If I just want to backup the files I can backup $ncdatadir/$user/files 
and

get everything?

Also, if this were still active, could I just rm files to remove them 
from

Nextcloud?

I see there are also files_trashbin and files_versions, so it seems I
might have to root around in those to make sure it's truly gone from the
system.

I'm certain that removing them removes them, but not sure if Nextcloud
will then continue looking for them until the end of time ...

ciao,

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Re: install BABL

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Sounds like you need to do what I had to do then.  Go ahead and 
uninstall everything gimp related on the system and then reinstall 
gimp.  That should take care of your problems.


Brian Cluff

On 11/13/20 9:08 AM, Michael wrote:

yes I had otto's ppa then I installed the flatpak but I want to
use darktable to load raws into gimp so I had to reinstall the apt
version. The gentleman that told me that I needed to reinstall the apt
version then told me otto's version was no longer maintained and he
gave me a ppa that is current..

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Have you had a PPA version installed on this machine in the past.  I got
lots of errors like that when the PPA version fell behind of the distro
version but had dependencies that wouldn't allow the distro version to
install all it's dependencies.
I was able to fix is by getting rid of the old PPA and then deleting
everything gimp related off the system and then reinstalling gimp from
the distros repositories.

Brian Cluff

On 11/12/20 8:29 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

This is bizarre. I installed gimp with apt (I had it installed with
flAtpak) and it wouldn't start after the install. so I opened up a
terminal to capture any error. This is what I got:

BABL version too old!

GIMP requires BABL version 0.1.78 or later.
Installed BABL version is 0.1.74.

Somehow you or your software packager managed
to install GIMP with an older BABL version.

Please upgrade to BABL version 0.1.78 or later.

would someone help me put the right version in? I tried to apt it in
but that didn't work.

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Re: install BABL

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Have you had a PPA version installed on this machine in the past.  I got 
lots of errors like that when the PPA version fell behind of the distro 
version but had dependencies that wouldn't allow the distro version to 
install all it's dependencies.
I was able to fix is by getting rid of the old PPA and then deleting 
everything gimp related off the system and then reinstalling gimp from 
the distros repositories.


Brian Cluff

On 11/12/20 8:29 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

This is bizarre. I installed gimp with apt (I had it installed with
flAtpak) and it wouldn't start after the install. so I opened up a
terminal to capture any error. This is what I got:

BABL version too old!

GIMP requires BABL version 0.1.78 or later.
Installed BABL version is 0.1.74.

Somehow you or your software packager managed
to install GIMP with an older BABL version.

Please upgrade to BABL version 0.1.78 or later.

would someone help me put the right version in? I tried to apt it in
but that didn't work.


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Re: Usable screenshot tools

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Spectacle works perfectly for me.  From what you are describing it 
sounds like something in Xorg is broken, and I'm betting that you won't 
be able to find any screenshot program that won't crash.
You can probably continue to use spectacle if you can find out what in X 
is broken.


Brian Cluff

On 11/1/20 7:20 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Since my last (arch) system update, I can't seem to find any 
screenshot tools that work anymore in kde.  Wondering if anyone has 
any recommendations what works for them lately


I've used spectacle from kde for like a decade now as one of my 
favorite tools, and just as of a few months ago, it's gone to hell for 
me, and just crashes if I try to take a screenshot of a selected 
area.  Trying shutter recently from gnome, it sort of works at times, 
other times tends to crash when trying to take a screenshot of a 
selected area as well. I've tried some others I've already forgotten 
the names of a while back, nothing seems to work anymore.


I somewhat blame stupid wayland shenanigans in change, I'm not even 
using wayland, but all the major kde news is about wayland, that seems 
to just be bringing the whole thing down around their ankles.  
Whatever kde is doing lately is just bringing it back 10 years in 
stability.


It's so hard to find good software these days.

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Re: gimp- layer via copy

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Can you use?
Edit -> Paste as => New Layer
It seems to do what you want.

Brian Cluff

On 10/20/20 4:02 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I think there is a plugin called layer via copy. how do you instaall
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Re: start zoom from command line

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Have you tried just:
zoom 
"--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09" 



The error seems to be saying that it you have the option launch that it 
doesn't want any other arguments, and the instructions don't say 
anything about the option launch.


Brian Cluff

On 9/29/20 8:47 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Thanks. I tried using the instructions there to connect to the test 
meeting at 
https://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09. 
Here's what I entered:


$ zoom launch 
--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09
ERROR: "zoom launch" was called with arguments 
["--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09"]

Usage: "zoom launch"

Then it put me back at the command prompt.  I looked again at the 
instructions to see if I missed something.  I missed where it said to 
include the quotes.  so I tried that:


$ zoom launch 
"--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09"
ERROR: "zoom launch" was called with arguments 
["--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09"]

Usage: "zoom launch"
$

On 9/28/20 9:49 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:

This looks like it's got the info you need:
https://superuser.com/questions/1563255/start-a-zoom-meeting-from-the-command-line 



Brian Cluff

On 9/28/20 9:40 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I already have the zoom client.  What do I enter at the command line 
to make zoom launch and connect to a particular meeting?


On 9/27/20 2:42 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:12:08 -0700
Jim via PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Is there a way to launch zoom and have it connect to a meeting using
the command line?  I'm looking for something simpler than opening
Thunderbird, finding the email with the link to the meeting, clicking
the link then waiting for the web browser to open, then for it to
launch zoom.

You can install a Zoom client.

SteveT

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Re: start zoom from command line

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This looks like it's got the info you need:
https://superuser.com/questions/1563255/start-a-zoom-meeting-from-the-command-line

Brian Cluff

On 9/28/20 9:40 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I already have the zoom client.  What do I enter at the command line 
to make zoom launch and connect to a particular meeting?


On 9/27/20 2:42 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:12:08 -0700
Jim via PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Is there a way to launch zoom and have it connect to a meeting using
the command line?  I'm looking for something simpler than opening
Thunderbird, finding the email with the link to the meeting, clicking
the link then waiting for the web browser to open, then for it to
launch zoom.

You can install a Zoom client.

SteveT

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Re: Auto Mounting External USB drives

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You could use the mountpoint command to check if there is something 
mounted on destination drive like:


if ! mountpoint $DESTINATION_DIR >/dev/null; then
    mount -t ntfs PARTUUID=c6040663-9321-4d28-91f0-2f3eb35f72b7 
/mnt/Ext3TB_Data1/

fi
if ! mountpoint $DESTINATION_DIR >/dev/null; then
    mount -t ntfs PARTUUID=f88c9c86-e44d-4846-9fbe-305074347e97 
/mnt/Ext3TB_Video1/

fi

I'll leave it up to you to handle what to do if the drive doesn't mount.

Brian Cluff

On 9/9/20 1:34 PM, AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi all,

I was finally able to do away with an aging Windows machine and 
replace it with a Raspberry Pi 4 running Buster.  The only purpose for 
this server is to backup selected folders and files from other servers 
onto two external USB drives for offsite storage. I've automated the 
backup process using rsync and a cron job. All is working well and the 
backups are happening on schedule.
However, currently I have to manually mount each of the external 
drives. This isn't a terribly big issue since the drives are rotated 
to offsite storage only once per month. But, if the Pi gets rebooted, 
the drives are not being auto-mounted and the backups will then fail. 
I've tried putting an entry in /etc/fstab to auto-mount them at boot, 
but if they drives are not connected at boot time, I've found the the 
Pi doesn't boot (it just seems to hang).


Here is how I mount the drives.
mount -t ntfs PARTUUID=c6040663-9321-4d28-91f0-2f3eb35f72b7 
/mnt/Ext3TB_Data1/
mount -t ntfs PARTUUID=f88c9c86-e44d-4846-9fbe-305074347e97 
/mnt/Ext3TB_Video1/


How can I "conditionally" mount an external drive based on if the 
drive is currently connected? I could write a script that checks if 
the particular partition (PARTUUID) is currently connected but not 
mounted and put this script in the rc.local folder to be executed at 
boot.
Is this the best way? I'm sure that others have encountered this issue 
and wanted to know what the "best practices" are on how to achieve this?


Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Peter





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Re: After Linux Mint update, numerous problems ...

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

There is a line on the output of your command that reads:
"197 additional updates are available with UA Infrastructure ESM"

It appears that you are running a very old very of your OS.

It's essentially saying that you need an Extended support contract in 
order to continue to get updates to your OS

https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-14-04-esm-support

I also noticed that you have "apt list --upgradable", but it's spelled 
"upgradeable", so that's probably why you got the list of options 
instead of a list of upgradeable packages.


Brian Cluff

On 9/3/20 8:19 AM, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

So I ran: sudo apt dist-upgrade again and got this result:

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

197 additional updates are available with UA Infrastructure ESM.
To see these additional updates run: apt list --upgradable
See https://ubuntu.com/advantage or run: sudo ua status

Then I ran sudo apt list --upgradable
and got the long list of options that one sees when
running sudo apt full-upgrade

But I don't know which of those options I should try to use
or how to use them (in what sequence).


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I did the apt dist-upgrade and got these error messages:

Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 
4.4.0-148-generic (x86_64)

Error! Module version 4.3.40_Ubuntu for vboxguest.ko
Error! Module version 4.3.40_Ubuntu for vboxsf.ko
Error! Module version 4.3.40_Ubuntu for vboxvideo.ko
Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 
4.4.0-148-generic (x86_64)


I captured and could post the entire process,
but noticed these errors as the process scrolled by.

And, after running all this, chrome still opens to
a blank or black screen but with the title bar showing
the page to which it opened.

Everything was working fine before I did the first
regular update/upgrade yesterday. Bummer.



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2009-02 Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:

apt upgrade only does a partial upgrade on your system and if that's
all you do, your system can get into a place where dependencies get
out of wack and the system breaks.

instead do:
apt full-upgrade
or
apt dist-upgrade


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Re: After Linux Mint update, numerous problems ...

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

apt upgrade only does a partial upgrade on your system and if that's all 
you do, your system can get into a place where dependencies get out of 
wack and the system breaks.


instead do:
apt full-upgrade
or
apt dist-upgrade
They both do the exact same exact thing, except full upgrade is the new 
name for dist upgrade option becuase too many people only did upgrade 
because they were afraid that dist-upgrade would actually upgrade their 
distribution to the new version... it doesn't.  It just tells your 
system to upgrade all the packages, where plain old upgrade tells the 
system to only upgrade packages that don't require any additional 
packages to installed or uninstalled which can leave security 
problems on your system if the update requires additional packages to be 
installed.


If you've been doing only upgrade for a really long time; be prepared 
for some broken dependencies that wouldn't have happened if you had done 
dist-upgrades instead Hopefully apt's dependency calculator will 
just take care of it for you and all will be good with the world again.


Brian Cluff

On 9/2/20 3:04 PM, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks to Matthew and Michael Butash for suggestions.

I did a new system update:

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y

And I have tried removing and reinstalling chrome,
but it still won't work.

Everything else seems to be working okay now.

Not sure how to do the "journalctl" thing.

Firefox works fine, but I still hope to get chrome working.

Any other suggestions?


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2009-01 Michael Butash wrote (in part):

I've had ibus break, which tends to break everything.

Would be worth using journalctl -f as root while launching
to see what the system is complaining about >

Have you tried a clean user profile?  Ibus tends to be
user dependent ... to test just to log in as another user




Aug 31, 2020 joe wrote:

After a Linux Mint update today, I seem to have numerous
problems that I did not have before the update.

** Chrome browser won't open at all.


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Re: KMS but AMDGPU And Black Screen

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

On 8/26/20 8:32 AM, Michael Butash wrote:
My desktop would do this with a dongle converter + hdmi cable, some 
6ft, one 10. and the displays not starting would randomly change, 
requiring the same hard unplug/plug at the DP port.  I was hoping the 
combo cable would help this trying with my laptop, but mostly the same.


It's like whatever chinese adapter chip they use are clones of a clone 
of a clone at this point, and just somewhat flaky crap.  Like what you 
get with flaky serial adapters, sd-radios, and other cheap electronics 
from wish or alibaba, but the bad clones are so pervasive now, you 
can't NOT get a piece of crap part anywhere.


...but there aren't any fancy chips involved with your cables. 
DisplayPort is capable of directly outputting and HDMI or DVI signal, 
and that's what your cables are doing.  If you wanted to involve Chinese 
chips, you would have to spend the extra money on an active converter, 
otherwise all you have is a cable with a pin out that pulls an HDMI 
signal out of the display port connector.


Brian Cluff

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Re: pdf to jpg

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

That's fairly easy and straight forward.

This will only save one page at a time, so hopefully you don't have very 
many pages you need exported.


 * Open your PDF in Libreoffice Draw
 * Select the page you want to export
 * Click on File -> Export
 o A save window will come up
 * On the filter, just select JPEG - Joint Photographic Experts Group
   (.jpg:.JPEG:.jfif:.jpe)
 * Browse to the location you would like to save your image and click save

That's it... Lather, Rinse, Repeat with any other pages you need.

Brian Cluff

On 8/25/20 4:38 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

How do I convert a pdf file to a jpg on a windows machine wit only
libre office installed?




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Re: KMS but AMDGPU And Black Screen

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

On 8/24/20 10:55 AM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I did look closer at the cheap EDID adapters Brian sent, and looking 
at like models a few specifically state "not compatible with DP to 
HDMI adapters", which is exactly my scenario.  I learned trying to use 
dp-to-hdmi adapters with "active" thin hdmi cables did not work, and 
no other active translation seems supported with more than one, 
including these sadly.


Yes they description says that, but like I said in my message, I believe 
they were trying to say that their device isn't DP to HDMI adapter... If 
you read the reviews there are several people on there describing your 
exact problems with the DP to HDMI conversion and says that it was the 
perfect thing to fix their problems and that they do indeed work with DP 
to HDMI conversion.  If can't find one that has the correct male female 
sides, you could always get a handful of gender changers and make it 
work like that.


Also, are you cables from your machine to display very long.  I found 
that I had a devil of a time getting anything over 6 feet to work 
reliably at all no matter what the quality of cable.  Once I figured 
that out and moved my machine closer I found that even my cheap cables 
would drive my display It makes sense considering the signal is 
throwing something in the neighborhood of 18Gbps at the display  The 
shorter the cable the better.


Brian Cluff

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Re: KMS but AMDGPU And Black Screen

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

On 8/22/20 8:30 AM, Michael Butash wrote:
I'm a bit more surprised HDMI still this day doesn't support DPMS-type 
functions to some extent, even if "legacy" vs. only CEC.  Likewise I'm 
surprised companies like samsung don't just include a DP port on their 
TV's...


HDMI does support DPMS.  It just that TVs don't.  I doubt well every see 
a display port connector on a TV and/or DPMS support because that would 
rob them of being able to have an almost identical product that is only 
a slightly tweaked TV that is little to no cost to them that they can 
charge charge a whole lot more for.


I figure at some point a developer might buy a few of these tv's and 
realize how asinine this all is to use to resolve it, but considering 
here we are in 2020 and my first reports of some of this stuff began a 
decade or more ago, perhaps not.  KDE is still working on trying to 
fix window placement a decade or two on, seeing this just today... 



I think the problem is today is that they DO handle changing monitor 
setups, but that they require devices to probably report themselves to 
the system for it to work.  For people using TVs, what they need to do 
is have a checkbox that says something like, "Make the current setup 
permanent".  The checkbox would essentially break the plug and play 
system completely and hard code each display to its function. The 
computer would then spray video out the port no matter what, even if it 
doesn't detect a device.


You mentioned that you were using curved Samsung TV.  That is exactly 
what I'm running as well.  This probably won't help you, but maybe 
someone else that's reading this; for my shut down needs I set the 
computer to sleep the display after a certain amount of time which stops 
sending video.  Then I set the TV to automatically shut off after a 
certain amount of time with a loss of connection.  Now all I have to do 
it wiggle the mouse or press a key to wake the system up and press power 
on the TV when I want to start using it.


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Re: KMS but AMDGPU And Black Screen

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

The problem with your setup is that you're using TVs for multiple 
displays.  Like you said, TV's don't understand DPMS so it's impossible 
to get them to power down on command.  Most newer TVs do understand CEC 
and it's possible to get a CEC injector (I believe NVIDIA doesn't handle 
it in their cards) to send a signal for the TV to power itself off/on 
when you want it to.  The biggest problem is that when TVs turn off, 
they stop,for the most part, reporting on the cable that they are there, 
so from the point of view of your system, you are unplugging and 
plugging in the TV's from the system, probably in some random order, and 
the system has to quickly deal with handing changing scenarios of one 
monitor configuration after another as the TVs turn on... It's probably 
freaks out because it's asked to setup a display on one TV no wait 2 
TVs...  Just kidding 3 TVs... but it's still trying to handle the first 
one by the time it's asked to handle the 3rd one.  I have a feeling that 
TV's also don't have the unique ID's that monitors have so it will also 
struggle to  automatically place them back in the correct order once 
they are all up and running if you are using the same model TVs for all 
your displays.


I personally use a single 50" 4K display for my desktop and other than 
having to turn it on and off by hand, it has worked flawlessly for the 
past 5 or 6 years... but then again, I'm only using the one TV for my 
display.  Before that I used a 3 monitor setup, with actual computer 
monitors and I didn't have any problems at all with that.  My brother 
had a system with I believe 16 computer monitors and that worked  very 
well as well, but again that were actual monitors.


I think I remember coming across a device that was a DPMS proxy that 
might fix your problem.  It basically sits between you computer and 
display and fakes a monitor signal to your computer so that your TVs 
don't appear to be disappearing and reappear to your computer constantly.


You could also hard code your display setup in your Xorg.conf so that it 
would have no choice but to setup your display like you like it, but 
that could make things difficult/stange for you at a later date if you 
ever change your display setup.


Or, you could always get real computer monitors, but that would be very 
expensive which is probably why your using TVs in the first place.


Brian

On 8/20/20 5:25 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I have had lots of issues with video and adapters the past few years, 
mostly as I'm forced to use them.  My nvidia 1070 in my desktop has 3x 
DP1.2 ports and 1 HDMI2.0.  I have 3 displays, so I use the 3x DP1.2 
ports, and run those through adapters to HDMI2.0 on my Samsung TV's I 
use for monitors. Non-stop chaos ensues during power-down and up every 
day, something different, every linux desktop hates it.  Often one 
display or another will freak out, and I end up; having to hard 
disconnect the adapter (ie, reboot it) to work again or it'll come up 
stuck in 768x1024 (on a 48" tv...).


I found HDMI doesn't handle DPMS sort of power-off modes as vga, dvi, 
dp, or most methods of displays to handle soft power-off scenarios, 
ala just power down displays.  When my laptop powers them down, they 
remain on with no signal, which seems to just confuse the video card 
and adapter that both freak out.  This seems to have a profound effect 
on displaya and video cards that don't realize most displays are now 
hdmi...


Graphic subsystems are a basketcase these days under linux, mostly 
because of these damn adapters, dongles 
, and vendor wars.  
Intel, that wants to sell all the things, including the most useless 
gpu on the earth, injects themselves into everything, and always cause 
me issues as I can't convince the os to use the (real) nvidia gpu.  
Probably the same sort of issue if an intel gpu is around with AMD.  
Last I used an AMD GPU some 4-5 years ago, it was an issue.  Nvidia 
Prime via Intel is still sketchy af.


Even on a dedicated nvidia gpu in a server-ish xeon system, with 
DP-to-whatever adapters I had nothing but issues.  My latest iteration 
is my laptop (xps 9560) and a thunderbolt3/usb-c dock with 2x 4k/60hz 
outputs via one-piece DP-to-HDMI cables.  I still have quirks, but 
I've learned to work around, and now somewhat understand really odd 
hardware behaviour enough to reproduce it.  Occasionally I still need 
to disconnect a display at the DP-to-HDMI cable I use now, which is 
again oddly random.


I don't like the adapters, but my 48" TV's I use for displays don't 
often come with DP ports native, and using HDMI comes with power 
management oddities.  A lot depends on your cabling and even display 
these days.


-mb


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:05 PM Seabass via PLUG-discuss 
> wrote:


No, on the desired monitor, it still black screens.

Works just fine (Even without that 

Re: font sizes

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I played with it for a while and found that the task manager uses the 
"General" font size.


Brian Cluff

On 7/24/20 3:18 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
There's something going on with this install.  It's Kubuntu 20.04.  
Some text is a reasonable size.  Some is very small.  The text in 
title bars, items in the task manager, and any messages that pop up 
near the bottom of the screen.  I'd like them to be a little bigger. 
I'm not as young as I used to be, so I have trouble seeing that little 
text.  I went into system settings and increased the size of all the 
fonts.   Any ideas how to fix it?


Here is a screenshot showing the normal sized fonts and the small one.

https://ibb.co/JKy6jgH

Here is a screen shot showing my font settings.

https://ibb.co/pKLrchT

thanks


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Re: text too small - almost forgot

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

You're in for a treat.  20.04 is possibly the best release of Kubuntu ever.

Brian Cluff

On 7/20/20 9:10 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
This install has other problems.  Tonight I lost the toolbar and the 
menubar in Gwenview.  I also lost the menubar in Dolphin.  All the 
options I read online to restore them don't work.  I'm going to try 
installing Kubuntu 20.04 on another partition and try it for a while. 
I'm tired of messing with the 18.04 installation. Thanks for your help.


On 7/20/20 3:30 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Breeze is refering to the SDDM theme, not your desktop theme. There 
is no oxygen theme for SDDM.  Unless you changed it, the default 
theme is breeze, but even if you did change it, just look on that 
same path substituting your theme for the breeze and it will also 
have a config file you can change.


These are the available sddm themes in Bionic:
sddm-theme-breeze
sddm-theme-debian-elarun
sddm-theme-debian-maui
sddm-theme-elarun
sddm-theme-lubuntu-chooser
sddm-theme-maldives
sddm-theme-maui
sddm-theme-maya

Brian Cluff

On 7/20/20 12:05 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm using the oxygen desktop theme. Also, I suspect something else 
is going on besides font size because when the font text is small, 
the settings show it being the same size as when it's the normal 
size.  Thanks for looking into this.



On 7/19/20 6:20 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked at the file exists that I mentioned in my previous message 
exists in Bionic


From my previous message:
If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config 
file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a 
font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten 
the next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of 
the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 3:26 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked and found that Plasma 5.12 is the latest I can get with 
Kubuntu 18.04.  Which config file should I edit?


On 7/19/20 3:06 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Looks like it might be a feature of newer versions of the Plasma 
Desktop.  I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 on the version that I saw the 
setting.
Most likely you can still hand edit the config file on older 
versions though.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 2:14 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The 
first option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click 
that and the advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no 
settings synchronization button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You 
can see what I do have under the advanced tab here 
https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization 
button that will allow you to synchronize your desktop settings 
to the SDDM theme. That would probably be the best way to go, 
and if that works ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen 
itself; those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in 
your desktop settings.  The login screen is shared between all 
users of the machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the 
resolution of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's 
config file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and 
there is a font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get 
overwritten the next time the system updates the theme you 
might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package 
to write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of 
it's normal name.  That way the system will always get your 
version of the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit. When I log 
out and log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the 
login screen the text is much smaller. The first time this 
happened, I reset the text to make everything the size I 
wanted.  When I rebooted the machine, the text was too big, 
so I made it smaller. It wasn't doing this when I first 
installed the OS on this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, 
or more importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes

Re: text too small - almost forgot

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Breeze  is refering to the SDDM theme, not your desktop theme. There is 
no oxygen theme for SDDM.  Unless you changed it, the default theme is 
breeze, but even if you did change it, just look on that same path 
substituting your theme for the breeze and it will also have a config 
file you can change.


These are the available sddm themes in Bionic:
sddm-theme-breeze
sddm-theme-debian-elarun
sddm-theme-debian-maui
sddm-theme-elarun
sddm-theme-lubuntu-chooser
sddm-theme-maldives
sddm-theme-maui
sddm-theme-maya

Brian Cluff

On 7/20/20 12:05 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm using the oxygen desktop theme.  Also, I suspect something else is 
going on besides font size because when the font text is small, the 
settings show it being the same size as when it's the normal size.  
Thanks for looking into this.



On 7/19/20 6:20 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked at the file exists that I mentioned in my previous message 
exists in Bionic


From my previous message:
If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file 
at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to write 
the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of the 
config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 3:26 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked and found that Plasma 5.12 is the latest I can get with 
Kubuntu 18.04.  Which config file should I edit?


On 7/19/20 3:06 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Looks like it might be a feature of newer versions of the Plasma 
Desktop.  I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 on the version that I saw the 
setting.
Most likely you can still hand edit the config file on older 
versions though.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 2:14 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The first 
option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click that and 
the advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no settings 
synchronization button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You can see what 
I do have under the advanced tab here https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization 
button that will allow you to synchronize your desktop settings 
to the SDDM theme. That would probably be the best way to go, and 
if that works ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen 
itself; those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your 
desktop settings.  The login screen is shared between all users 
of the machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the 
resolution of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config 
file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a 
font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten 
the next time the system updates the theme you might want to do 
this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version 
of the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit. When I log out 
and log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login 
screen the text is much smaller. The first time this happened, 
I reset the text to make everything the size I wanted.  When I 
rebooted the machine, the text was too big, so I made it 
smaller. It wasn't doing this when I first installed the OS on 
this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or more importantly, 
how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various 
fonts are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12. When I log in a 
second time without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I 
described, but these font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I looked at the file exists that I mentioned in my previous message 
exists in Bionic


From my previous message:
If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file at 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to write 
the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's normal 
name.  That way the system will always get your version of the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 3:26 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked and found that Plasma 5.12 is the latest I can get with 
Kubuntu 18.04.  Which config file should I edit?


On 7/19/20 3:06 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Looks like it might be a feature of newer versions of the Plasma 
Desktop.  I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 on the version that I saw the 
setting.
Most likely you can still hand edit the config file on older versions 
though.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 2:14 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The first 
option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click that and the 
advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no settings 
synchronization button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You can see what I 
do have under the advanced tab here https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization 
button that will allow you to synchronize your desktop settings to 
the SDDM theme. That would probably be the best way to go, and if 
that works ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen 
itself; those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your 
desktop settings.  The login screen is shared between all users of 
the machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the 
resolution of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config 
file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a 
font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten 
the next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of 
the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out 
and log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login 
screen the text is much smaller. The first time this happened, I 
reset the text to make everything the size I wanted.  When I 
rebooted the machine, the text was too big, so I made it smaller. 
It wasn't doing this when I first installed the OS on this 
dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or more importantly, how I fix 
it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various 
fonts are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12. When I log in a 
second time without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I 
described, but these font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Looks like it might be a feature of newer versions of the Plasma 
Desktop.  I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 on the version that I saw the setting.
Most likely you can still hand edit the config file on older versions 
though.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 2:14 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The first 
option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click that and the 
advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no settings 
synchronization button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You can see what I 
do have under the advanced tab here https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization 
button that will allow you to synchronize your desktop settings to 
the SDDM theme.  That would probably be the best way to go, and if 
that works ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen itself; 
those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your desktop 
settings.  The login screen is shared between all users of the 
machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the resolution 
of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file 
at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of 
the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out 
and log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login 
screen the text is much smaller.  The first time this happened, I 
reset the text to make everything the size I wanted.  When I 
rebooted the machine, the text was too big, so I made it smaller. 
It wasn't doing this when I first installed the OS on this 
dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or more importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various fonts 
are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12. When I log in a second 
time without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I described, 
but these font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the advanced 
tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization button that will 
allow you to synchronize your desktop settings to the SDDM theme.  That 
would probably be the best way to go, and if that works ignore my last 
message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen itself; 
those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your desktop 
settings.  The login screen is shared between all users of the machine 
so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the resolution 
of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file 
at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to write 
the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of the 
config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out and 
log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login screen the 
text is much smaller.  The first time this happened, I reset the text 
to make everything the size I wanted.  When I rebooted the machine, 
the text was too big, so I made it smaller. It wasn't doing this when 
I first installed the OS on this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, 
or more importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various fonts 
are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12.  When I log in a second 
time without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I described, but 
these font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen itself; 
those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your desktop 
settings.  The login screen is shared between all users of the machine 
so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the resolution of 
the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file at 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to write 
the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's normal 
name.  That way the system will always get your version of the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out and 
log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login screen the 
text is much smaller.  The first time this happened, I reset the text 
to make everything the size I wanted.  When I rebooted the machine, 
the text was too big, so I made it smaller. It wasn't doing this when 
I first installed the OS on this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or 
more importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various fonts 
are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12.  When I log in a second time 
without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I described, but these 
font size settings are the same.



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Re: New computer.

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

You can do that but you will take a speed hit.  Computers these days 
will read the RAM in pairs for a speed increase.  The testing in the 
article below saw a 17.7% speed increase by using dual channel memory on 
some loads.


https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel

Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 9:24 AM, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:
My only suggestion on this machine is to use a 16gb stick, just so if 
you ever decide you need more memory you won't have to replace the 
smaller sticks. With 16gb sticks you can have 64gb total. If you ever 
think you might like to have 128gb of memory the you could get a 32gb 
memory stick.


On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:29 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


Just an idea and ballpark cost.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered
separately.
As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
have!
        *-usb:0
           *-usbhost
                bus info: usb@1
                logical name: usb1
                capabilities: usb-2.00
              *-usb
                   bus info: usb@1:1
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
        *-usb:1
           *-usbhost
                bus info: usb@2
                logical name: usb2
                capabilities: usb-2.00
              *-usb
                   bus info: usb@2:1
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
                 *-usb:0
                      bus info: usb@2:1.4
                      capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
                      configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
                 *-usb:1
                      bus info: usb@2:1.7
                      capabilities: usb-2.00
                    *-usb:0
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
                         capabilities: usb-1.10
                         configuration: driver=usbhid
maxpower=100mA
speed=2Mbit/s
                    *-usb:1
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
                         capabilities: usb-2.00
                         configuration: driver=usbhid
maxpower=98mA
speed=2Mbit/s
                    *-usb:2
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
                         capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated
scsi-host
                         configuration: driver=usb-storage
maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
> It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a
big enough
> power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could
get that
> many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive
to fail
> rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of
external
> USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply
to make it
> work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and
the enclosure
> also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully
slow.
>
> An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached
directly to a
> mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it
isn't bottle
> necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes
per second.
> Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
> instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3
seconds.  Login
> times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you
will tell your
> computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout
until you
> realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the
login screen in
> less time than your old computer could just logout.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2
years of use.
> > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking
    about doing
    > > with the NUC?
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
  

Re: raid5

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Yes, you'll be looking at doing a software raid.

Just curious, what are you needing to get out of a RAID that makes you 
want to do it?  More space, more speed, or redundancy?


You can get certain combinations of all 3 of those but it depends on 
which raid you pick and what settings it has.
Of course RAID can also be a really good way to instantly destroy all 
your data if you don't do it right.


If you are just looking for some safely for your data, I would recommend 
that you start with a RAID 1.  You won't get any extra space out of it, 
but it's a fairly bullet proof RAID option that allows for any of your 
drives to be mounted individually, so its very difficult to loose your 
data without all your drives dying at once.  You also get a little bit 
of a speed boost under certain circumstances.


Brian Cluff

On 7/18/20 7:58 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I think I want to start a raid array level 5.
this is what my google search revealed to me:

If you want to use hardware RAID device, use hot swappable hardware
RAID device with spare disks. If any disk fails, data will be
reconstructed on the first available spare disk without any downtime
and since it is a hot swappable device, you can replace failed device
while server is still running.

Unfortunately, I am finding it difficult to find how to do a hardware
array. Everything I'm finding has to do with software array with a
paragraph about hw array so when I google hardware 'array linux' I get
results and I get confused. Could someone point me to some concise
instructions on doing this? I found one promising one on wiki
(https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hardware_Raid_Setup_using_MegaCli)
but they wanted a raid controller to be installed on your system
first
O  I think I get it! the hardware raid requires The controller
which is a pci card. So now I need a software array

is that correct?
Any concise instructions?


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Re: New computer.

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

That looks like an excellent machine and the best part is that in a year 
or 2 if you want a faster system AMD likes to use the same CPU socket 
for the majority of their processors and over multiple years, so you can 
drop their current flagship processor into that came machine and have a 
much much faster computer.


That's also a good machine since the processor that Stephen chose has a 
built in GPU that is almost certainly more powerful than your current GPU.


Brian

On 7/18/20 7:47 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Just an idea and ballpark cost.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
have!
        *-usb:0
           *-usbhost
                bus info: usb@1
                logical name: usb1
                capabilities: usb-2.00
              *-usb
                   bus info: usb@1:1
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
        *-usb:1
           *-usbhost
                bus info: usb@2
                logical name: usb2
                capabilities: usb-2.00
              *-usb
                   bus info: usb@2:1
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
                 *-usb:0
                      bus info: usb@2:1.4
                      capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
                      configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
                 *-usb:1
                      bus info: usb@2:1.7
                      capabilities: usb-2.00
                    *-usb:0
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
                         capabilities: usb-1.10
                         configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
speed=2Mbit/s
                    *-usb:1
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
                         capabilities: usb-2.00
                         configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
speed=2Mbit/s
                    *-usb:2
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
                         capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated
scsi-host
                         configuration: driver=usb-storage
maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
> It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
> power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get
that
> many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
> rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of
external
> USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to
make it
> work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the
enclosure
> also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>
> An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached
directly to a
> mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it
isn't bottle
> necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per
second.
> Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
> instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
> times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will
tell your
> computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout
until you
> realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login
screen in
> less time than your old computer could just logout.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years
of use.
> > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking
about doing
> > with the NUC?
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> > mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
> >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
> >>
> >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a
place for
> >> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at
least one
> >> NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at
least your OS
> >> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times
faster than
> >> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it
will be
> >> worth every cent to get it.
>

Re: New computer.

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough 
power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that 
many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail 
rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external 
USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it 
work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure 
also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.


An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a 
mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle 
necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.  
Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen 
instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login 
times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell your 
computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you 
realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in 
less time than your old computer could just logout.


Brian Cluff

On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
with the NUC?

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.

I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place for
at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your OS
on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster than
if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be
worth every cent to get it.

I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can get a
whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.

BTW  What's the price range you are looking at spending?

Brian Cluff

On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
(got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:

Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the sales?

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Re: New computer.

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.

I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place for 
at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one 
NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your OS 
on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster than 
if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be 
worth every cent to get it.


I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can get a 
whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.


BTW  What's the price range you are looking at spending?

Brian Cluff

On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
(got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:

Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
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Re: is my power supply dieing?

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Hows the temperature of your video card?  Does it have a fan on it?

Brian

On 7/16/20 1:41 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Might the problem still be the he

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 4:37 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


68C under load is good. 80C+ idle is bad.


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:35 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

lets get back to heat... last time I was running glx (with the
horse
and various other pictures) and watch, and stress ng the temp
was like
68. I don't think that is too bad.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:19 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
> Looks like your drive probably isn't the problem.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/16/20 11:54 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
    > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:37 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> > mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
> >> Also check the health of your hard drive with smartctl.
I've hard
> >> systems freeze on me because my hard drive was dying that
then appear to
> >> work again for a while after a reboot. Basically your
drive starts
> >> throwing errors and eventually the system remounts it as
read only and
> >> your system eventually freaks out and freezes because it
can't write to
> >> the drive anymore.
> > I sure hope this is the problem. It'll give me an excuse
to put an ssd
> > in the machine.
> > This is from live media boot. I'll see if I can freeze the
system
> > again it did when I tried it before but it hasn't
frozen for a
> > couple of days now.
> >   sudo smartctl --all /dev/sda
> > smartctl 7.1 2019-12-30 r5022
[x86_64-linux-5.4.0-26-generic] (local build)
> > Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke,
www.smartmontools.org <http://www.smartmontools.org>
> >
> > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> > Model Family:     Western Digital Caviar Blue (SATA)
> > Device Model:     WDC WD3200AAKS-75L9A0
> > Serial Number:    WD-WMAV2S110171
> > LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 057775228
> > Firmware Version: 02.03E02
> > User Capacity:    320,072,933,376 bytes [320 GB]
> > Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
> > Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use:
-P show]
> > ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
> > SATA Version is:  SATA 2.5, 3.0 Gb/s
> > Local Time is:    Thu Jul 16 18:33:20 2020 UTC
> > SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> > SMART support is: Enabled
> >
> > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> > SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> >
> > General SMART Values:
> > Offline data collection status:  (0x84) Offline data
collection activity
> >                      was suspended by an interrupting
command from host.
> >                      Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
> > Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous
self-test
> > routine completed
> >                      without error or no self-test has ever
> >                      been run.
> > Total time to complete Offline
> > data collection:         ( 6000) seconds.
> > Offline data collection
> > capabilities:              (0x7b) SMART execute Offline
immediate.
> >                      Auto Offline data collection on/off
support.
> >                      Suspend Offline collection upon new
> >                      command.
> >                      Offline surface scan supported.
> >                      Self-test supported.
> >                      Conveyance Self-test supported.
> >                      Selective Self-test supported.
> > SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data
before entering
> >                      power-saving mode.
> >                      Supports SMART auto save timer.
> > Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error

Re: is my power supply dieing?

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Looks like your drive probably isn't the problem.

Brian Cluff

On 7/16/20 11:54 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:37 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Also check the health of your hard drive with smartctl. I've hard
systems freeze on me because my hard drive was dying that then appear to
work again for a while after a reboot.  Basically your drive starts
throwing errors and eventually the system remounts it as read only and
your system eventually freaks out and freezes because it can't write to
the drive anymore.

I sure hope this is the problem. It'll give me an excuse to put an ssd
in the machine.
This is from live media boot. I'll see if I can freeze the system
again it did when I tried it before but it hasn't frozen for a
couple of days now.
  sudo smartctl --all /dev/sda
smartctl 7.1 2019-12-30 r5022 [x86_64-linux-5.4.0-26-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Western Digital Caviar Blue (SATA)
Device Model: WDC WD3200AAKS-75L9A0
Serial Number:WD-WMAV2S110171
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 057775228
Firmware Version: 02.03E02
User Capacity:320,072,933,376 bytes [320 GB]
Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 2.5, 3.0 Gb/s
Local Time is:Thu Jul 16 18:33:20 2020 UTC
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x84)Offline data collection activity
 was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
 Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:  (   0)The previous self-test
routine completed
 without error or no self-test has ever
 been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 6000) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:  (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
 Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
 Suspend Offline collection upon new
 command.
 Offline surface scan supported.
 Self-test supported.
 Conveyance Self-test supported.
 Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:(0x0003)Saves SMART data before entering
 power-saving mode.
 Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:(0x01)Error logging supported.
 General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:  (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:  (  73) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:  (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities:(0x3037)SCT Status supported.
 SCT Feature Control supported.
 SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f   200   200   051Pre-fail
Always   -   0
   3 Spin_Up_Time0x0027   138   133   021Pre-fail
Always   -   4075
   4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   089   089   000Old_age
Always   -   11090
   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140Pre-fail
Always   -   0
   7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e   100   253   000Old_age
Always   -   0
   9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   019   019   000Old_age
Always   -   59593
  10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0032   100   100   000Old_age
Always   -   0
  11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   100   000Old_age
Always   -   0
  12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   098   098   000Old_age
Always   -   2282
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   199   199   000Old_age
Always   -   1044
193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032   197   197   000Old_age
Always   -   11090
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   105   080   000Old_age
Always   -   38
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000Old_age
Always   -   0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000Old_age
Always   -   0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x0032   200   200   000Old_age
Always   -   0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000Old_age
Offline

Re: is my power supply dieing?

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On 7/15/20 9:13 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

the computer gal told me to run it until it dies and then get a new computer.
That's repair person speak for "This is an old computer, and not worth 
repairing."


BTW have you tried running tests with a bootable CD?  If you can get it 
to freeze while using a completely different batch of software such as 
what you get with an bootable CD that would help verify that it's a 
hardware issue and not a software issue.


Also check the health of your hard drive with smartctl. I've hard 
systems freeze on me because my hard drive was dying that then appear to 
work again for a while after a reboot.  Basically your drive starts 
throwing errors and eventually the system remounts it as read only and 
your system eventually freaks out and freezes because it can't write to 
the drive anymore.


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Re: is my power supply dieing?

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Who knows... check the fans first... that's the cheapest and easiest to 
fix, if you have one that isn't spinning.
Power supply would most likely be the next cheapest... that being said, 
spend a little extra money for a good power supply, with the cheapest 
ones, you don't usually get your monies worth and it might actually 
crash more than it is now.


Brian

On 7/13/20 9:09 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks for the tip! I'd love to come get it but the distance makes it
prohibitive. I live in Florida But you think replacing the power
supply unit will do it?

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:00 AM Donald Mac McCarthy  wrote:

Some boards have 2 fans for CPU - especially boards designed for
overclocking. The face that you don't have any voltage/RPMs across the
fan3 may not be a problem.

The only way you are going to be sure to tell it is a power supply is
generally to replace it. You could replace CPU, memory, or board one at
a time, but those are generally more expensive than a PSU.

I have had many times that the PSU was the issue when running a compute
cluster years ago. In one case the PSW was not getting enough airflow
due to the positional design of the chassis vs the fan location of a
replacement CPU which had undergone a spec change, and therefore wouls
reach thermal protection shutdown. In another, a thermal expansion in a
PSU component when under load would cause a short, and the system would
shutoff. In another case - dirty output due to a power limiting
component that was failing cause all kinds of problems, eventually
causing us to have to replace RAM, CPU, MB, and a RAID card because of
"brown out" type situations. We were only to know what happened after
the manufacturer did some testing on the RMAed PSU. When you have 850
servers all built assembled from components (academic environment where
the Professor got more systems for his grant money by buying components
and using undergrad/graduate research assistants to assemble them), some
interesting things happen, may of them were power supply related.

Good luck, but I think you may save more in time and effort to just
replace it. I have a 400W ATX powersupply you can have if you want to
come get it. I am not sure how much wattage you need, but if 400 will
cut it - that one can be yours for the low low price of gas money.

Mac

Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote on 7/13/20 8:41 PM:

inxi tells me this about my fans:

Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 fan-1: 3139 fan-3: 0

So my cpu fan isn't working. I thought my computer would CRASH/FREEZE
more often if the cpu fan wasn't working.  What is: fan-1: 3139 fan-3:
0

I'm not sure but I think my power supply fan is running slow. Is that a thing?

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:26 PM Michael  wrote:

hey  I forgot to tell ya all that last night after I put the
system under stress I got it to freeze.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:29 PM Michael  wrote:

when I'm just running memory test the temp is 46

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:06 PM Michael  wrote:

that was it under stress.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:55 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

If that's your idle temperature, that is terrible.  I'll bet if you run
stress while monitoring your temperature you'll see it shoot up even
higher than that.

(I cook chicken sous vide at 60C)

Brian Cluff

On 7/13/20 10:05 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Do 80 is bad? Mine was at 89 when I first started it

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Re: is my power supply dieing?

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On 7/13/20 8:41 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

inxi tells me this about my fans:
Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 fan-1: 3139 fan-3: 0
Look at the fan while it's on... does it look like it's spinning? It 
possible that it IS spinning and the CPU fan is fimply plugged into the 
wrong fan connector or the CPU fan is running but is a 2 wire fan that 
doesn't report fan speeds.

So my cpu fan isn't working. I thought my computer would CRASH/FREEZE
more often if the cpu fan wasn't working.
There is still a heat sync which does give the CPU a bit of cooling all 
by itself, so that could give you a buffer until it can't cope with the 
amount of heat being produced anymore.

I'm not sure but I think my power supply fan is running slow. Is that a thing?
That's absolutely a thing, and one of the most common power supply 
problems you will find. If your fan is indeed spinning slow, it is 
possible to replace a CPU fan but it will require a little bit of 
soldering if you are comfortable with that.  You can also buy yourself a 
little time by putting some oil on the fans bearings.. but it won't buy 
you very much time... a few months maybe.
Otherwise, if your sure it's spinning slow, it might be time for a new 
power supply but make sure it's truly spinning slow.  If you are 
using an LED flashlight, it may be using PWM modulation to dim the 
light, which can make computer fans appear to spin at different speeds 
that they actually are.


Good Luck,
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Re: is my power supply dieing?

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

If that's your idle temperature, that is terrible.  I'll bet if you run 
stress while monitoring your temperature you'll see it shoot up even 
higher than that.


(I cook chicken sous vide at 60C)

Brian Cluff

On 7/13/20 10:05 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Do 80 is bad? Mine was at 89 when I first started it

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Re: is my power supply dieing?

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Are you sure all your fans are running, including in your power supply?
If you CPU fan secured properly and has good (Not dried out) thermal 
paste on it.  If you took your CPU fan off and it had some of that 
thermal waxy stuff on it and you just put it back on, it's probably not 
conducting heat very well.  I would take it back off and scrape all that 
stuff off and put some proper thermal compound on it in it's place.


In my experience, if your computer is randomly locking up, it's usually 
heat related.  Although it CAN be the power supply, usually power 
supplies just tend to outright die and will refuse to turn on your 
machine when they go bad.  The other things are bad RAM and bad 
software but if you've tested your ram and you haven't changed 
anything software wise, I would look for a heat related issue.


Brian Cluff


On 7/12/20 7:49 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

OK well, I ran stress and gearsglx and the computer ran fine for
about 5 minutes and then it froze. so this means it is the hardware?
so I guess is it the power supply? what else could it be? how can
I verify or else is it a shot in the dark?

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:17 PM Michael  wrote:

thanks for shaaring your experiances with me!

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:58 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

That is about how my laptop was acting using the i915 driver vs. the intel 
kernel mode driver...  Maybe make sure you're not using that, by default you 
shouldn't. I ended up with it trying to make prime gpu switching work.

It could be gpu related still, most browsers use hardware acceleration that 
could be hitting it.

Try running glx-gears for a while in full-screen to see how it acts if it dies 
when heating up.

I also had an older system that was locking up seemingly whenever I'd hit the 
graphics.  Turns out the gpu fan went bad, with ambient case fans keeping it 
cool enough off the heatsink, but watching a movie or something that hit the 
gpu, it would crash.  Tearing it open it was then obvious the fan wasn't 
working.  Of course I couldn't find a fan that fit the stupid thing, so I ended 
up buying a new gpu for it, all was well.

Only ever had one PSU that got wonky on me to crash intermittently in some 25 
years of building pc's, but it happens...

Also, boot up and in grub run memtestx86 on it, bad memory sectors can cause 
grief too with intermittent locks, usually the more ram you invoke, you'll hit 
the bad spot.

-mb


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 9:36 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:

you know it seems that the first time of the day I start it it
runs a few minutes and then freezes. but upon subsequent restarts
everything is good.


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:18 PM Michael  wrote:

I have ssh installed on my system but to ssh into another system you
need ssh-server installed on your computer but I can't find it. I
guess I'm wrong. What else do you need installed?

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:03 PM Michael  wrote:

I think my issue might also be grafix related because when it first
started doing this the dark areas on my desktop picture would turn
blue when it froze. I do have another system. Could you walk me
through solving the problem?

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:11 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

It really could be about anything, hardware or software.  Unplug everything 
unnecessary, even usb things, and just see if it locks up then.  I've had psu's 
do this, video cards, ram, even usb devices cause weird hardware-ish problems.  
Check dmesg and /var/log as well for errors/events, could indicate a flaky 
device.

Also software - upgrading ram recently, I also updated my system since I had to 
reboot anyways, and my pc began locking up every 2 days.  I thought the new ram 
perhaps was bad, but memtest looked ok.  It took some digging, but guess I 
picked up a bug in using an old intel graphics driver inadvertently, removed 
that driver, and I've had 70 days of uptime since.

I had to get a bit creative to diag this, including sshing into it from another 
system when it did lock up.  Turns out it was graphics related, just the 
display froze, but the system worked otherwise headless.  This led me to 
investigate graphics as a source of the lockups to fix at a driver level.  If 
you have another system available, I'd suggest that.

-mb


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 6:36 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:

sometimes my computer freezes. is iut the power supply?

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Re: host name

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Run on the command line:

hostname

Brian Cluff

On 7/10/20 3:07 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I'm on nomachine and I just reinstalled my system which means my host
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Re: lines on printed photos

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

You probably have clogged nozzles in one or more of your color print 
heads, but not your black print head.


Have you tried running your printer though a cleaning cycle.  You might 
need to do it more than once if the heads are badly clogged.


Brian Cluff

On 7/1/20 11:34 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

My printer prints great text.
But when I print photos I get lines.
Any idea what is going on and how to fix it?
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Re: non-admin GUI deb installs

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I believe that muon uses polkit.  You should be able to create your own 
rules to allow muon to install packages without having root access.


Brian Cluff

On 6/6/20 2:58 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:

moin moin,

Is there a way to allow users to install and uninstall packages from the
GUI?

I do it by starting an xterm and having sudo rules for apt :).

But, I would like to give someone clicky clicky access.

The particular use case is Ubuntu and debian running KDE.

I want passwordless clicky clicky access to "apt update", "apt
full-upgrade", "apt install ", "apt remove " and such.

ciao,

der.hans


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Re: seagate drive

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

The answer is almost certainly yes, but my biggest piece of advice for 
you on that would be not to store anything on it that you don't have 
very well backed up.  The Seagate 2tb drives are terrible.  I have a 
100% failure rate on them after about 2 years give or take, and I've 
been through a couple dozen on them and the word on the street is that 
my experience isn't strange.


Brian Cluff

On 5/20/20 12:21 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I'm getting a used 2TB drive and I can't find anything about linux
compatibility. It is a Seagate Goflex home. My dad says the model
number  is:
bybap1-520
or
pk:pgaw-duzm-nnwp-kybw
but after about 15 minutes of searching I've given up. Does anyone
know off hand if it will work?



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Re: OT: How to make this simple html menu work?

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

I believe this page has a well worded answer to your question:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18246053/how-can-i-create-a-link-to-a-local-file-on-a-locally-run-web-page/18246357

Brian Cluff

On 5/8/20 11:14 PM, Joe Lowder via PLUG-discuss wrote:

How can I get the simple html menu
(example code shown below) work to view mp4 videos
from a menu link on my local computer in the same
way that I can view jpg images (and when all the
same files are uploaded as at this link:

https://upquick.com/viewpix/


Below is the simple code example:

Click to view each image:

the end
todo list
together
toilet paper
TP wedding dress
Turkey Bacon

But none of the examples below work on my computer. Why?
Splash 1
Splash 2
On the command line this works: vlc
splash.mp4 

What would be the simplest code to be able to
just click on a menu link to view an mp4 video?


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Re: I can't remember

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

Short answer, Hugin.
Most programs that process stacked images will offer an option to align 
then, which just uses hugin.  If your program doesn't offer alignment, 
you can just use hugin to align them.  When you go to stitch the images 
check off under "remapped images" No Exposure correction, low dynamic 
range.. That's from the advanced interface. If you are using the Simple 
interface just check off "Keep Intermediate images" when you go to 
stitch.  I'm not sure if those images are exposure corrected, so you 
might want to use advanced interface if you need them to not be exposure 
corrected.


Brian Cluff


On 4/5/20 5:25 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

how do we align images that we are using for stacking that are taken had-held?

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 8:18 PM Michael  wrote:

How do we align images that we are using for stacking?

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