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On 4/2/20 8:43 AM, Michael Butash wrote:


As much as I tend to dislike amazon as a company, I still get most 
everything there these days as it's all the same crap, and less 
annoying than newegg.  There or ebay.  About an equal chance of 
getting something counterfeit and/or dubious quality anyways these days.


-mb


I've bought SD cards from Amazon and each time noticed the incredibly 
low priced cards, like 1TB for $10.  The reviews always say the cards 
are of a much lower capacity, but hacked to report the much larger and 
fake value advertized.  I'd love to know why Amazon doesn't put a stop 
to that.  I suspect they don't care.



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buckling spring keyboards

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I've decided I want one of the buckling spring keyboards.  Would I be 
better off buying a new one from unicomp or one of the used IBM model M 
keyboards?


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Re: buckling spring keyboards

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Do the Cherry keyboards sound and feel like a model M keyboard? I've 
noticed a wide range of prices for the Cherry keyboards. If only some 
models sound and feel like a model M, which ones?


On 4/17/20 10:48 PM, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Get one from Germany. They call them Cherry. Google it. Best keyboard.


On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:53 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss 
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I've decided I want one of the buckling spring keyboards.  Would I be better 
off buying a new one from unicomp or one of the used IBM model M keyboards?

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Re: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 178, Issue 14

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Unfortunately I live in Tennessee now, so I can't afford the trip.  I'll 
go with a unicomp keyboard, and keep my eye out for local yard sales 
whenever they resume.  Never can tell who has a model M sitting in a 
closet somewhere and will want to get rid of it.


On 4/19/20 12:06 PM, Stephen Elliott via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I bought two different Cherry keyboards in different key colors to try to bring 
back the old tactile typing experience, paying over $100 each. I don't like or 
use either one, and they are like new still. They don't have the old feel, they 
are clattery, and I find them not worth the trouble. I understand that gamers 
love them.

If anyone is interested I'll make them a deal. I live in Buckeye, come and try 
them out.

Stephen Elliott

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1. Re: buckling spring keyboards (Jim)
2. Re: buckling spring keyboards (sean)
3. Re: buckling spring keyboards (Donald Mac McCarthy)
4. Re: buckling spring keyboards (James Mcphee)


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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:50:19 -0700
From: Jim 
To: Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss 
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Do the Cherry keyboards sound and feel like a model M keyboard? I've noticed a 
wide range of prices for the Cherry keyboards. If only some models sound and 
feel like a model M, which ones?

On 4/17/20 10:48 PM, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Get one from Germany. They call them Cherry. Google it. Best keyboard.


On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:53 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss 
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I've decided I want one of the buckling spring keyboards.  Would I be better 
off buying a new one from unicomp or one of the used IBM model M keyboards?

thanks


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Red Cherry switches are probably the closest to buckling springs, but it’s 
still very different.
I’d get a Unicomp - good condition Model Ms are hard to come by these days.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:50 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss < 
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Do the Cherry keyboards sound and feel like a model M keyboard? I've
noticed a wide range of prices for the Cherry keyboards. If only some
models sound and feel like a model M, which ones?

On 4/17/20 10:48 PM, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Get one from Germany. They call them Cherry. Google it. Best keyboard.


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plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

I've decided I want one of the buckling spring keyboards.  Would I
be

better off buying a new one from unicomp or one of the used IBM model
M keyboards?

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MX Cherry Greens as also a good choice for buckling spring keyboard fans. I 
have a Das Keyboard 4 with the greens, and I love them. That being said - I 
also have a second keyboard attached, as the people on my conference calls 
can't stand them.

Mac

Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote on 4/17/20 9:53 PM:

I've decided I want one of the buckling spring keyboards.  Would I be
better off buying a new one from unicomp or one of the used IBM model
M keyboards?

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video card for watching videos

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I'm looking for a new video card.  I'll use it mainly for watching 
videos.  I'm looking for something that will play h265 video and not bog 
down my system.  What should I look for in a video card?  thanks

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Re: video card for watching videos

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I have an Nvidia Geforce GT 520.  I can't spend more than $150, but 
would like to keep it lower if possible.


On 4/24/20 8:19 AM, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:

You haven't said what you want to spend, or what you currently have ?

This link compares Nvidia vs AMD video cards and groups them in tiers 
so you can see the counterparts

https://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/graphicscardcomparison
I prefer AMD, on the 580 vs 5600 I think the new draws less power and 
is faster, if you can spend about $100 more

this link compares the two
https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/amd-radeon-rx-580-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5600-xt/intel-core-i7-7700k-4-20ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-8700k-3-70ghz/

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:18 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
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I'm looking for a new video card.  I'll use it mainly for watching
videos.  I'm looking for something that will play h265 video and
not bog
down my system.  What should I look for in a video card? thanks
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Re: video card for watching videos

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Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.  Now I have a good idea what 
to look for.


On 4/24/20 7:04 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
For just streaming and transcoding movies/video, I would suggest any 
of the following. They are all sub 100 dollar cards, Potentially 
passively cooled, and low profile options are available. they are also 
recent enough to have modern transcode/decode options for movie/video 
watching.

GeForce GT 1030
Nvidia GTX 1050 mini
AMD RX 540/550
Even the AMD Radeon RX 5300 that is on the map for release later this 
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Re: music speed change w/ pitch correction

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Audacity does that.

On 4/24/20 12:19 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:

moin moin,

I need to setup and easy to use app for music playback that can change
speed and do pitch correction.

This is for music lessons where the speed needs to change as the students
improve.

Ideally I find Free Software packages for both Android and for desktop 
( Ubuntu ). One or the other is sufficient, but I like to have backup 
plans.


I can't find anything in FDroid right now. I had something before, but
those phones have been wiped and I don't remember what it was. There are
some apps in the google repo, but I'm trying to avoid those.

For the desktop, vlc will speed up and slow down, but only in imprecise
ways.

gst123 will change speed by 10% at time, which is also not fine-grained
enough. It also doesn't do pitch correction. It's fun to play with, but
doesn't help with the lessons.

I'm certain I can be done with audacity, but that's rather 
overwhelming to

get one feature.

Any suggested apps?

I did find a bunch of other apps for learning music in FDroid. Looking
forward to experimenting with those.

ciao,

der.hans

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mounting ext4 partition

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I have some hard drives in my computer that I back up using Grsync.  I 
have one of those USB hard drive docking stations I put another drive in 
when I'm ready to do a backup.  The backup works fine, but when I go to 
unmount the drive containing the backup, the system prompts me for my 
password.  Is there some change I can make in fstab to stop the system 
nagging me for my password?  Here is the entry in fstab for one of the 
backup drives.


UUID=797f7b69-9b84-4b22-8e64-73f9104eb79e /media/delboy/boffo ext4 
noauto,user        0    0


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Re: mounting ext4 partition

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I did some research on the subject and everything I found about ext4 in 
userspace said don't do it with data you care about.  I finally looked 
up options for fstab and found that changing user to users fixed the 
problem.  I backed up a drive today. When I finished, and unmounted the 
backup drive, It didn't bug me for a password.


On 5/16/20 7:04 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Look into mounting the drive as part of userspace?

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I have some hard drives in my computer that I back up using
Grsync.  I
have one of those USB hard drive docking stations I put another
drive in
when I'm ready to do a backup.  The backup works fine, but when I
go to
unmount the drive containing the backup, the system prompts me for my
password.  Is there some change I can make in fstab to stop the
system
nagging me for my password?  Here is the entry in fstab for one of
the
backup drives.

UUID=797f7b69-9b84-4b22-8e64-73f9104eb79e /media/delboy/boffo ext4
noauto,user        0    0

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text too small

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Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out and log 
in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login screen the text 
is much smaller.  The first time this happened, I reset the text to make 
everything the size I wanted.  When I rebooted the machine, the text was 
too big, so I made it smaller. It wasn't doing this when I first 
installed the OS on this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or more 
importantly, how I fix it?


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text too small - almost forgot

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out and log 
in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login screen the text 
is much smaller.  The first time this happened, I reset the text to make 
everything the size I wanted.  When I rebooted the machine, the text was 
too big, so I made it smaller. It wasn't doing this when I first 
installed the OS on this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or more 
importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various fonts are 
from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12.  When I log in a second time 
without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I described, but these 
font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

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It's the font sizes on the login screen and everything after the login 
screen


On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen itself; 
those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your desktop 
settings.  The login screen is shared between all users of the machine 
so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the resolution 
of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file 
at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to write 
the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of the 
config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out and 
log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login screen the 
text is much smaller.  The first time this happened, I reset the text 
to make everything the size I wanted.  When I rebooted the machine, 
the text was too big, so I made it smaller. It wasn't doing this when 
I first installed the OS on this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, 
or more importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various fonts 
are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12.  When I log in a second 
time without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I described, but 
these font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

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I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The first 
option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click that and the 
advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no settings synchronization 
button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You can see what I do have under the 
advanced tab here https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization button 
that will allow you to synchronize your desktop settings to the SDDM 
theme.  That would probably be the best way to go, and if that works 
ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen itself; 
those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your desktop 
settings.  The login screen is shared between all users of the 
machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the resolution 
of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file 
at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to write 
the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of the 
config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out and 
log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login screen 
the text is much smaller.  The first time this happened, I reset the 
text to make everything the size I wanted.  When I rebooted the 
machine, the text was too big, so I made it smaller. It wasn't doing 
this when I first installed the OS on this dinosaur.  Any idea what 
happened, or more importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various fonts 
are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12.  When I log in a second 
time without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I described, but 
these font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

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I looked and found that Plasma 5.12 is the latest I can get with Kubuntu 
18.04.  Which config file should I edit?


On 7/19/20 3:06 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Looks like it might be a feature of newer versions of the Plasma 
Desktop.  I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 on the version that I saw the 
setting.
Most likely you can still hand edit the config file on older versions 
though.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 2:14 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The first 
option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click that and the 
advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no settings 
synchronization button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You can see what I 
do have under the advanced tab here https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization 
button that will allow you to synchronize your desktop settings to 
the SDDM theme.  That would probably be the best way to go, and if 
that works ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen itself; 
those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your desktop 
settings.  The login screen is shared between all users of the 
machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the 
resolution of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config 
file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a 
font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten 
the next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of 
the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out 
and log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login 
screen the text is much smaller.  The first time this happened, I 
reset the text to make everything the size I wanted.  When I 
rebooted the machine, the text was too big, so I made it smaller. 
It wasn't doing this when I first installed the OS on this 
dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or more importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various 
fonts are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12. When I log in a 
second time without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I 
described, but these font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

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I'm using the oxygen desktop theme.  Also, I suspect something else is 
going on besides font size because when the font text is small, the 
settings show it being the same size as when it's the normal size.  
Thanks for looking into this.



On 7/19/20 6:20 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked at the file exists that I mentioned in my previous message 
exists in Bionic


From my previous message:
If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file 
at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to write 
the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of the 
config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 3:26 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked and found that Plasma 5.12 is the latest I can get with 
Kubuntu 18.04.  Which config file should I edit?


On 7/19/20 3:06 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Looks like it might be a feature of newer versions of the Plasma 
Desktop.  I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 on the version that I saw the 
setting.
Most likely you can still hand edit the config file on older 
versions though.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 2:14 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The first 
option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click that and 
the advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no settings 
synchronization button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You can see what 
I do have under the advanced tab here https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization 
button that will allow you to synchronize your desktop settings to 
the SDDM theme. That would probably be the best way to go, and if 
that works ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen 
itself; those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in your 
desktop settings.  The login screen is shared between all users 
of the machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the 
resolution of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config 
file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a 
font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten 
the next time the system updates the theme you might want to do 
this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of 
the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit.  When I log out 
and log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the login 
screen the text is much smaller. The first time this happened, I 
reset the text to make everything the size I wanted.  When I 
rebooted the machine, the text was too big, so I made it 
smaller. It wasn't doing this when I first installed the OS on 
this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or more importantly, how 
I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various 
fonts are from top to bottom 12 14 14 14 14 12. When I log in a 
second time without rebooting, the text is much smaller as I 
described, but these font size settings are the same.



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Re: text too small - almost forgot

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

This install has other problems.  Tonight I lost the toolbar and the 
menubar in Gwenview.  I also lost the menubar in Dolphin.  All the 
options I read online to restore them don't work.  I'm going to try 
installing Kubuntu 20.04 on another partition and try it for a while. 
I'm tired of messing with the 18.04 installation. Thanks for your help.


On 7/20/20 3:30 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Breeze is refering to the SDDM theme, not your desktop theme. There is 
no oxygen theme for SDDM.  Unless you changed it, the default theme is 
breeze, but even if you did change it, just look on that same path 
substituting your theme for the breeze and it will also have a config 
file you can change.


These are the available sddm themes in Bionic:
sddm-theme-breeze
sddm-theme-debian-elarun
sddm-theme-debian-maui
sddm-theme-elarun
sddm-theme-lubuntu-chooser
sddm-theme-maldives
sddm-theme-maui
sddm-theme-maya

Brian Cluff

On 7/20/20 12:05 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm using the oxygen desktop theme.  Also, I suspect something else 
is going on besides font size because when the font text is small, 
the settings show it being the same size as when it's the normal 
size.  Thanks for looking into this.



On 7/19/20 6:20 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked at the file exists that I mentioned in my previous message 
exists in Bionic


From my previous message:
If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config file 
at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a font size 
setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten the 
next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of 
the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 3:26 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked and found that Plasma 5.12 is the latest I can get with 
Kubuntu 18.04.  Which config file should I edit?


On 7/19/20 3:06 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Looks like it might be a feature of newer versions of the Plasma 
Desktop.  I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 on the version that I saw the 
setting.
Most likely you can still hand edit the config file on older 
versions though.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 2:14 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The 
first option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click 
that and the advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no 
settings synchronization button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You 
can see what I do have under the advanced tab here 
https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings synchronization 
button that will allow you to synchronize your desktop settings 
to the SDDM theme. That would probably be the best way to go, 
and if that works ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen 
itself; those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in 
your desktop settings.  The login screen is shared between all 
users of the machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the 
resolution of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config 
file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a 
font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get 
overwritten the next time the system updates the theme you 
might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of 
it's normal name.  That way the system will always get your 
version of the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:13 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Good morning,

I've got a machine running Kubuntu 18.04 64 bit. When I log 
out and log in or press ctrl alt backspace; beginning at the 
login screen the text is much smaller. The first time this 
happened, I reset the text to make everything the size I 
wanted.  When I rebooted the machine, the text was too big, so 
I made it smaller. It wasn't doing this when I first installed 
the OS on this dinosaur.  Any idea what happened, or more 
importantly, how I fix it?



I went into system settings/fonts.  The sizes for the various 
fonts are from top to b

Re: text too small - almost forgot

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I installed 20.04 on another partition.  The problem with the text 
changing size was still there, but that settings synchronization option 
you told me about under system settings / login screen (SDDM) / advanced 
tab fixed it.  The only bug I've noticed so far is the missing icons on 
the system settings screen.  In the hardware section the icons for 
audio, KDE connect, and printers aren't there.  There's only the default 
icon with a question mark and a folded corner.  Still that's not a major 
issue.  Thanks for the help.  I'm happy with 20.04 so far.


On 7/20/20 10:35 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
You're in for a treat.  20.04 is possibly the best release of Kubuntu 
ever.


Brian Cluff

On 7/20/20 9:10 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
This install has other problems.  Tonight I lost the toolbar and the 
menubar in Gwenview.  I also lost the menubar in Dolphin.  All the 
options I read online to restore them don't work.  I'm going to try 
installing Kubuntu 20.04 on another partition and try it for a while. 
I'm tired of messing with the 18.04 installation. Thanks for your help.


On 7/20/20 3:30 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Breeze is refering to the SDDM theme, not your desktop theme. There 
is no oxygen theme for SDDM. Unless you changed it, the default 
theme is breeze, but even if you did change it, just look on that 
same path substituting your theme for the breeze and it will also 
have a config file you can change.


These are the available sddm themes in Bionic:
sddm-theme-breeze
sddm-theme-debian-elarun
sddm-theme-debian-maui
sddm-theme-elarun
sddm-theme-lubuntu-chooser
sddm-theme-maldives
sddm-theme-maui
sddm-theme-maya

Brian Cluff

On 7/20/20 12:05 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm using the oxygen desktop theme. Also, I suspect something else 
is going on besides font size because when the font text is small, 
the settings show it being the same size as when it's the normal 
size.  Thanks for looking into this.



On 7/19/20 6:20 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked at the file exists that I mentioned in my previous 
message exists in Bionic


From my previous message:
If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's config 
file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and there is a 
font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get overwritten 
the next time the system updates the theme you might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package to 
write the package's version of the config file to 
/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.distrib instead of it's 
normal name.  That way the system will always get your version of 
the config file.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 3:26 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I looked and found that Plasma 5.12 is the latest I can get with 
Kubuntu 18.04.  Which config file should I edit?


On 7/19/20 3:06 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Looks like it might be a feature of newer versions of the Plasma 
Desktop.  I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 on the version that I saw 
the setting.
Most likely you can still hand edit the config file on older 
versions though.


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 2:14 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I opened system settings, clicked startup and shutdown.  The 
first option on the top left is Login Screen (SDDM).  I click 
that and the advanced tab shows.  I click it, but there's no 
settings synchronization button.  I have Plasma 5.12.9.    You 
can see what I do have under the advanced tab here 
https://ibb.co/3snzX6Y


On 7/19/20 10:51 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was just poking around the SDDM theme settings and under the 
advanced tab I just noticed there is a settings 
synchronization button that will allow you to synchronize your 
desktop settings to the SDDM theme. That would probably be the 
best way to go, and if that works ignore my last message :)


Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 10:46 AM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If you are talking about the font sizes on the login screen 
itself; those font sizes aren't set by the font settings in 
your desktop settings.  The login screen is shared between 
all users of the machine so it has to have it's own settings.
You'll either need to tweak the SDDM theme, or change the 
resolution of the whole system.


If you are using the breeze sddm theme you can edit it's 
config file at /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf and 
there is a font size setting in there.


If you want to make sure that your changes don't get 
overwritten the next time the system updates the theme you 
might want to do this:


sudo dpkg-divert --add /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf

The above line will cause any future installs of the package 
to write the package's version of the config file 

font sizes

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

There's something going on with this install.  It's Kubuntu 20.04.  Some 
text is a reasonable size.  Some is very small.  The text in title bars, 
items in the task manager, and any messages that pop up near the bottom 
of the screen.  I'd like them to be a little bigger.  I'm not as young 
as I used to be, so I have trouble seeing that little text.  I went into 
system settings and increased the size of all the fonts.   Any ideas how 
to fix it?


Here is a screenshot showing the normal sized fonts and the small one.

https://ibb.co/JKy6jgH

Here is a screen shot showing my font settings.

https://ibb.co/pKLrchT

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Re: font sizes

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Thank you.  After I saw your reply, I tried it and saw it worked as you 
said.  However, everything in the Dolphin window I had open at the time, 
as well as the system settings window, and Thunderbird did also.  
Getting the task manager font size to an acceptable level made 
everything else too big.    Here you can see for yourself.  
https://ibb.co/q5T35jg  To get the text in Thunderbird back to a normal 
size, I have to close it and open it again.


On 7/24/20 5:23 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I played with it for a while and found that the task manager uses the 
"General" font size.


Brian Cluff

On 7/24/20 3:18 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
There's something going on with this install.  It's Kubuntu 20.04.  
Some text is a reasonable size. Some is very small.  The text in 
title bars, items in the task manager, and any messages that pop up 
near the bottom of the screen.  I'd like them to be a little bigger. 
I'm not as young as I used to be, so I have trouble seeing that 
little text.  I went into system settings and increased the size of 
all the fonts.   Any ideas how to fix it?


Here is a screenshot showing the normal sized fonts and the small one.

https://ibb.co/JKy6jgH

Here is a screen shot showing my font settings.

https://ibb.co/pKLrchT

thanks


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Re: font sizes

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I've played with it since my last post and finally got it straightened 
out.  I found if I restarted the X server after applying the change, I'd 
see it.  I kept applying a change then restarting the X server.  I'll 
make a backup and hope for the best.


On 7/24/20 5:23 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I played with it for a while and found that the task manager uses the 
"General" font size.


Brian Cluff

On 7/24/20 3:18 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
There's something going on with this install.  It's Kubuntu 20.04.  
Some text is a reasonable size. Some is very small.  The text in 
title bars, items in the task manager, and any messages that pop up 
near the bottom of the screen.  I'd like them to be a little bigger. 
I'm not as young as I used to be, so I have trouble seeing that 
little text.  I went into system settings and increased the size of 
all the fonts.   Any ideas how to fix it?


Here is a screenshot showing the normal sized fonts and the small one.

https://ibb.co/JKy6jgH

Here is a screen shot showing my font settings.

https://ibb.co/pKLrchT

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Re: Old Hardware

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

There might be a use for these  machines for people to handle their kids 
education online if they can't afford to buy them computers.  What 
organizations are in the Valley that handle such things?


On 7/21/20 9:10 PM, Joe Gibbs via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Greetings from Peoria,

I am cleaning out the closet (literally) and have some old hardware 
that could use proper disposal. Currently I am dropping stuff off at 
Batteries Plus into their electronics recycle box. However the current 
lot still runs, despite running MS Vista, XP or Windows 10.


Does anyone know of an alternate legit site / location for either 
reselling (on the cheap) or donation other than https://azstrut.org/?


Thanks
Joe Gibbs

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Edit SDDM theme

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I figured out how to set the background image I wanted for SDDM. The 
only problem is this big circle right in the middle for the user's 
avatar.  I got rid of the default avatar by creating a transparent image 
and setting that as the avatar.  That only leaves a gray circle right in 
the middle of the screen.


Here it is. https://ibb.co/9GMLvLN

Is there any way to get rid of it?  I've got Kubuntu 20.04.

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Re: Edit SDDM theme

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks for looking that up for me, but I can't find out how to get rid 
of the circle where the avatar is placed.


On 8/4/20 7:46 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

https://store.kde.org/browse/cat/101/order/latest/

And probably more relevant to you, 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SDDM#Theme_settings


On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 1:58 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


I figured out how to set the background image I wanted for SDDM. The
only problem is this big circle right in the middle for the user's
avatar.  I got rid of the default avatar by creating a transparent
image
and setting that as the avatar.  That only leaves a gray circle
right in
the middle of the screen.

Here it is. https://ibb.co/9GMLvLN

Is there any way to get rid of it?  I've got Kubuntu 20.04.

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Re: Edit SDDM theme

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks for including that link to the theme collection.  I found one 
that had the login form on the left and didn't have an avatar.  It 
blurred the third of the background image that was behind the login 
form.  Thankfully the person who wrote it included comments in 
theme.conf that explained how to eliminate the blur effect.


thanks again.

On 8/4/20 7:46 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

https://store.kde.org/browse/cat/101/order/latest/

And probably more relevant to you, 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SDDM#Theme_settings


On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 1:58 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


I figured out how to set the background image I wanted for SDDM. The
only problem is this big circle right in the middle for the user's
avatar.  I got rid of the default avatar by creating a transparent
image
and setting that as the avatar.  That only leaves a gray circle
right in
the middle of the screen.

Here it is. https://ibb.co/9GMLvLN

Is there any way to get rid of it?  I've got Kubuntu 20.04.

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DSL bonding

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Where I live, I get AT&T for my DSL service.  I've signed up for an 
upgrade from 10 Mbps to 25.  I finally got someone there who would tell 
me why a technician visit is required for the upgrade. They're bonding 2 
pairs to supply the faster speed here.  I've read up online about DSL 
bonding.  I understand that one pair will carry some of the data, and 
the other pair will carry some.  But one thing I didn't find out was 
whether or not anything will change between the wall jack and the 
modem.  Is everything done outside or do they have to come inside?  I 
currently have a 2 conductor cord connecting my modem to the wall jack.  
Will that have to be replaced with a 4 conductor cord?  Do they install 
an extra box outside or inside?  I guess all will be answered on the 
18th when the guy is scheduled to be here.   I'm really curious how this 
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antivirus

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I'm looking for an antivirus program for my computer that will alert me 
when a file I try to open is infected.  Windows programs do this all the 
time.  I have ClamTK installed but I don't see any way to make it do 
this.   Any suggestions?


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Re: DSL bonding

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Ok.  I won't complain if I have to go out and buy a 4 conductor phone cord.

On 8/7/20 9:05 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:
My understanding of this is that they will activate the second pair 
that is commonly used in the RJ-43 port in your wall. This will allow 
2 lines active to the device.


Changes inside might need to happen if your residence does not have 4 
wire (2 line) compatibility. (IE 2 pairs to the jack vs 1 pair)


On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:10 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
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Where I live, I get AT&T for my DSL service.  I've signed up for an
upgrade from 10 Mbps to 25.  I finally got someone there who would
tell
me why a technician visit is required for the upgrade. They're
bonding 2
pairs to supply the faster speed here.  I've read up online about DSL
bonding.  I understand that one pair will carry some of the data, and
the other pair will carry some.  But one thing I didn't find out was
whether or not anything will change between the wall jack and the
modem.  Is everything done outside or do they have to come inside?  I
currently have a 2 conductor cord connecting my modem to the wall
jack.
Will that have to be replaced with a 4 conductor cord?  Do they
install
an extra box outside or inside?  I guess all will be answered on the
18th when the guy is scheduled to be here.   I'm really curious
how this
works.
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Re: DSL bonding

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150 Mbps, you're lucky.  Here AT&T has to bond  2 pairs so I can get 25 
Mbps.    At least it's not comcast.  I wonder how many pairs they could 
bond.  Is there a technical limit or is it just a matter of how many 
they want to bond?  As more people abandon landlines, that leaves more 
capacity for AT&T to bond multiple pairs for internet customers.


On 8/10/20 11:21 AM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
So I went through this moving from Cox to CenturyLink, and pretty much 
as described, fairly painless.




I had scheduled a CL tech to install me for new service a few years 
ago, and we first hit the outside where CL ran their cabling in.  It 
was an ancient telephony distribution from the 90's, and I've never 
had a land-line in my house since owning it in 2002.  My house built 
in 95 at least used cat5 or like, so I have 4 pairs to every room, so 
2 pairs I need was just fine for bonded DSL  He ripped out the old 
block, removing the house cabling but the one, and isolated the 
particular line we needed to my office where the modem lives, added an 
approved jack, done.  Bonded dsl is 2x 2-wire channels, and they 
essentially load-balance 75+75mbps channels.  I have tested this to 
n-by gigabit upstreams.


Phone only guarantees 2 wires are available, so telcos built on this 
100 years ago are a bit assed-out on passable high-frequency 
modulation schemas in use for data and other things to move beyond 
where they're at.  DSL makes up for this, particularly when double up 
on wires it gets better, but still unshielded and prone to breakdown.  
Problem is mostly it isn't shielded, thus capable of very high 
frequency modulation ala Cable/DOCSIS, so it will never go much 
further than it has today whereas Cable scales to gigabits with 
channelization and QAM modulation at 32bit rates.


VDSL tech is capable of roughly 75mbps per channel, and 2x of these 
get you to around CL's bonded DSL limits.  This also includes your 
distance limitations to your local DSLAM, or regional router that 
terminates your data that degrades this eventually further you are 
from it, so it's a bit tricky. It's been stuck here for years, and 
pretty much at life end. This is why my cousin living half a mile from 
me can only get 75mbps from CL and I can with bonded @150mbps here.  
Old crap network there.


Fiber, particularly Single Mode, gives you whatever to ~100GbE, but 
depends on how your provider does low-rate Passive Optical Networking 
(PON) today for residential fiber.  Not quite the same as a business 
data network, but any fiber is better than copper networks.


Why Centurylink's only hope for the future is fiber vs. copper in new 
builds.  I like my 25yr old house still, so no fiber for me ever.  
Unless I street cut my block for fiber myself, which I've considered, 
just need to get my neighbors to buy into me as their new gigabit isp.  ;)


-mb


On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 1:27 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


Ok.  I won't complain if I have to go out and buy a 4 conductor
phone cord.

On 8/7/20 9:05 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:

My understanding of this is that they will activate the second
pair that is commonly used in the RJ-43 port in your wall. This
will allow 2 lines active to the device.

Changes inside might need to happen if your residence does not
have 4 wire (2 line) compatibility. (IE 2 pairs to the jack vs 1
pair)

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:10 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

Where I live, I get AT&T for my DSL service.  I've signed up
for an
upgrade from 10 Mbps to 25.  I finally got someone there who
would tell
me why a technician visit is required for the upgrade.
They're bonding 2
pairs to supply the faster speed here.  I've read up online
about DSL
bonding.  I understand that one pair will carry some of the
data, and
the other pair will carry some.  But one thing I didn't find
out was
whether or not anything will change between the wall jack and
the
modem.  Is everything done outside or do they have to come
inside?  I
currently have a 2 conductor cord connecting my modem to the
wall jack.
Will that have to be replaced with a 4 conductor cord?  Do
they install
an extra box outside or inside?  I guess all will be answered
on the
18th when the guy is scheduled to be here.   I'm really
curious how this
works.
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Re: DSL bonding

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

AT&T is still fscked up.  The tech came out today and told me that the 
cutoff for the service is 4800 feet and I'm 5136 feet from the box the 
modem talks to.   He ran some test anyway and confirmed it's not 
available.  He told me he has heard of no plans to bring fiber to my 
neighborhood, but said it is available in a small town 5 miles up the 
road from me in one direction.  3 miles down the road in the other 
direction is a subdivision that has it.  The fiber runs next to the 
highway less than a hundred yards from here.  I guess it's time to see 
what other options if any are available.


On 8/16/20 10:39 AM, Michael Butash wrote:
I think it mostly comes down to the fact that they can only really 
guarantee 2 or 4 wires to a premise for residential telco, probably 
more modern deployments a full 8 wires (ala CatX), though their 
traditional copper distribution isn't built for it unless commercial 
(their big PED on the roads your neighborhood comes back to.  Probably 
something in the telcordia standards back to ma bell days that says 
that is just how it is.  Since the plants are non-shielded, 
non-twisted pair cabling too, it can only modulate so high, 
particularly when poorly run/done, which is why you're stuck at 12mbps.


If they had to change your home copper, they'd just run fiber, neither 
will happen likely.


The DSL bonding is already a hack to get more bandwidth when DSL 
itself is stuck in time now at raw theoretical limits.  Combining more 
physical channels as these were would be trivial, if copper were 
available, and telcos wanted to support it.  Someone would need to 
make the modem too. Technically cable modems do this, literally taking 
"channels" or slices or spectrum on the wire, and load-balancing them 
internally, up to 24 or 32 channels for multi-gig capabilities.  Same 
with ethernet, taking 8 into a port-channel and balancing across them, 
whether 100 megabit or 400 gigabit ethernet.


AT&T is the most ghetto provider out there still, and always has been 
imho.  Moving to San Jose in '99, there was AT&T Cable TV installed by 
the owners, which consisted of 2x of your standard coax ala modern 
cable from the outside, and required a physical a/b switch box to 
switch between 13 channels on one, and 13 channels on another.  First 
I looked at it, and was confused enough I had to call them and ask wtf 
the cable "channels" worked to realize just how bad it was, and I then 
worked for the original @home cable isp company then supporting AT&T 
cable modems!  The images were even snowy, the service was so bad even 
a tech couldn't (read: wouldn't) improve.  When I asked about a cable 
modem, they laughed at me, so I had to get DSL (phat 1.5mbps then), 
disconnected the useless cable tv (yay usenet alt.binaries.video even 
then), and threw up a finger to AT&T.


I can only imagine how bad AT&T's DSL is if they couldn't figure out 
even coax.  My experience supporting their customers for Cable Modem 
data in '99, relatively new tech then, wasn't much better, as if the 
cable plant to your house was broke, it tended to just stay broke 
despite our rolling their techs to fix it.  Then they'd get angry at 
us for doing so and tell us to stop rolling so many trucks to fix things.


Sigh.

Having grown up in Phoenix where Dimension, and later Cox actually had 
their shit (relatively) together, this was an inconceivable atrocity 
but exactly what I'd expect of AT&T.  Thanks to them (and Comcast, all 
the media cartels now really) owning the FCC now with your tax 
dollars, it'll never, ever, get better either.  Good thing Net 
Neutrality and consumer rights weren't really needed after all!


-mb


On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 12:42 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


150 Mbps, you're lucky.  Here AT&T has to bond  2 pairs so I can
get 25 Mbps.    At least it's not comcast. I wonder how many pairs
they could bond.  Is there a technical limit or is it just a
matter of how many they want to bond?  As more people abandon
landlines, that leaves more capacity for AT&T to bond multiple
pairs for internet customers.

On 8/10/20 11:21 AM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:

So I went through this moving from Cox to CenturyLink, and pretty
much as described, fairly painless.



I had scheduled a CL tech to install me for new service a few
years ago, and we first hit the outside where CL ran their
cabling in.  It was an ancient telephony distribution from the
90's, and I've never had a land-line in my house since owning it
in 2002. My house built in 95 at least used cat5 or like, so I
have 4 pairs to every room, so 2 pairs I need was just fine for
bonded DSL  He ripped out the old block, removing the house
cabling but

Re: DSL bonding

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I've read articles saying AT&T is planning on abandoning their copper in 
rural areas when it fails and instead transitioning landline customers 
in those reas to VOIP adapters that will use their 4G network.  Here in 
Tennessee there are lots of hills and not so many people living around 
them.  I know one guy who lives between 2 hills and has no cell service 
at home. When the landline goes down, he has to drive to the top of 
either hill where he gets cell service to call AT&T.  If they're paying 
so little attention to their existing network, I can't picture them 
spending a fortune to build the tower necessary to provide service to 
all their customers out in the hills.


On 8/18/20 3:03 PM, Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss wrote:
That seems to be the grand irony of fiber - you can have a nationwide 
backbone with thousands of Gb/s of bandwidth running on your street, 
and as you said Jim - be a hundred yards short of 25 Mbps. I don't buy 
a ton of the 5G /we're going to fix all the things /but if fixed 
broadband could become a reality in the mid-band spectrum, there might 
be a new last mile in town (and I would move much farther out to the 
country).


- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com 



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Re: DSL bonding

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

comcast is available in this area.  They're offering speeds up to 200 
Mbps.  As soon as the AT&T guy left, I went to Comcast's site and signed 
up for 25Mbps service which costs the same as the 10 - 12 AT&T offers.  
I'll have to watch the comcast bill. When I had them before, they liked 
to sneak in extra charges that weren't supposed to be there.  They would 
remove them when I called to complain.  This time I won't be using their 
tv service. I put up an antenna and I use locast.org.


On 8/20/20 12:18 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm not sure I could live somewhere with crap internet, I would 
probably go about forming some sort of local isp of sorts if enough 
folks around to be worth it.  It's not exactly hard, backward telcos 
and cable companies can figure it out, it's all capital cost up front 
and who pays for it, ideally more than just you.


Circa 2003 at cox business, we had some baller customers with DS3's to 
their house (one ran an isp in his basement), which really meant we 
installed an OC3 fiber node there, and gave them a third of it.  These 
were maybe $2000-3000/mo circuits, but the construction to get fiber 
to their crib alone might be $30-50k.  One customer in the middle of a 
lake community was more to build into.  Either they lock you into a 
5yr or more contract to make that construction cost back, or you pay 
it up front.


Back then, I worked a lot with the project group that did 
construction, so I sat down with someone and we looked at getting 
fiber to my house for some baller service myself, ideally with some 
employee discount...  They estimated roughly $35k in cost alone for 
construction, including construction street cuts to bury fiber, 
permitting, etc, let alone service, and mine wasn't terribly complex.  
I considered reselling to neighbors, but back then expensive gigabit 
options probably weren't too attractive to general consumers in 2003.  
I stuck with my cable modem, they didn't pay that well.


Today that would probably be equivalent to a 10GbE+ drop to your 
house, but at scale of cost most likely.  Resell that to your 
neighbors for some premium bandwidth, everyone wins, but presumes your 
neighbors aren't all luddites.  Some rural communities are doing this, 
when AT&T and others aren't shutting them down.


-mb


On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:19 AM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


I'd brush up on fiber splicing  lol


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 1:40 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

AT&T is still fscked up.  The tech came out today and told me
that the cutoff for the service is 4800 feet and I'm 5136 feet
from the box the modem talks to.   He ran some test anyway and
confirmed it's not available.  He told me he has heard of no
plans to bring fiber to my neighborhood, but said it is
available in a small town 5 miles up the road from me in one
direction.  3 miles down the road in the other direction is a
subdivision that has it.  The fiber runs next to the highway
less than a hundred yards from here.  I guess it's time to see
what other options if any are available.

On 8/16/20 10:39 AM, Michael Butash wrote:

I think it mostly comes down to the fact that they can only
really guarantee 2 or 4 wires to a premise for residential
telco, probably more modern deployments a full 8 wires (ala
CatX), though their traditional copper distribution isn't
built for it unless commercial (their big PED on the roads
your neighborhood comes back to. Probably something in the
telcordia standards back to ma bell days that says that is
just how it is. Since the plants are non-shielded,
non-twisted pair cabling too, it can only modulate so high,
particularly when poorly run/done, which is why you're stuck
at 12mbps.

If they had to change your home copper, they'd just run
fiber, neither will happen likely.

The DSL bonding is already a hack to get more bandwidth when
DSL itself is stuck in time now at raw theoretical limits. 
Combining more physical channels as these were would be
trivial, if copper were available, and telcos wanted to
support it. Someone would need to make the modem too.
Technically cable modems do this, literally taking "channels"
or slices or spectrum on the wire, and load-balancing them
internally, up to 24 or 32 channels for multi-gig
capabilities.  Same with ethernet, taking 8 into a
port-channel and balancing across them, whether 100 megabit
or 400 gigabit ethernet.

AT&T is the most ghetto provider out there still, and al

Re: DSL bonding

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I read something once about a lawyer who set up his own ISP.  The phone 
company wouldn't supply DSL to the rural area where he lived.  The only 
internet service available was dialup.  He found that from the roof of 
his barn, he had line of sight to the building the law firm had its 
offices in.  He found some interested neighbors and set up a microwave 
link from his barn to the office.  The local phone company did lease him 
the lines he needed to provide DSL to his neighbors.


On 8/20/20 2:28 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Part of me really would enjoy setting something like this up. The new 
High speed and dedicated wireless/microwave tools we have now are 
pretty dang phenomenal and could lead to a decent wireless/wired 
hybrid internet service.



On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


I'm not sure I could live somewhere with crap internet, I would
probably go about forming some sort of local isp of sorts if
enough folks around to be worth it.  It's not exactly hard,
backward telcos and cable companies can figure it out, it's all
capital cost up front and who pays for it, ideally more than just you.

Circa 2003 at cox business, we had some baller customers with
DS3's to their house (one ran an isp in his basement), which
really meant we installed an OC3 fiber node there, and gave them a
third of it.  These were maybe $2000-3000/mo circuits, but the
construction to get fiber to their crib alone might be $30-50k. 
One customer in the middle of a lake community was more to build
into.  Either they lock you into a 5yr or more contract to make
that construction cost back, or you pay it up front.

Back then, I worked a lot with the project group that did
construction, so I sat down with someone and we looked at getting
fiber to my house for some baller service myself, ideally with
some employee discount...  They estimated roughly $35k in cost
alone for construction, including construction street cuts to bury
fiber, permitting, etc, let alone service, and mine wasn't
terribly complex.  I considered reselling to neighbors, but back
then expensive gigabit options probably weren't too attractive to
general consumers in 2003.  I stuck with my cable modem, they
didn't pay that well.

Today that would probably be equivalent to a 10GbE+ drop to your
house, but at scale of cost most likely. Resell that to your
neighbors for some premium bandwidth, everyone wins, but presumes
your neighbors aren't all luddites.  Some rural communities are
doing this, when AT&T and others aren't shutting them down.

-mb


On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:19 AM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

I'd brush up on fiber splicing  lol


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 1:40 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

AT&T is still fscked up.  The tech came out today and told
me that the cutoff for the service is 4800 feet and I'm
5136 feet from the box the modem talks to.   He ran some
test anyway and confirmed it's not available.  He told me
he has heard of no plans to bring fiber to my
neighborhood, but said it is available in a small town 5
miles up the road from me in one direction.  3 miles down
the road in the other direction is a subdivision that has
it.  The fiber runs next to the highway less than a
hundred yards from here.  I guess it's time to see what
other options if any are available.

On 8/16/20 10:39 AM, Michael Butash wrote:

I think it mostly comes down to the fact that they can
only really guarantee 2 or 4 wires to a premise for
residential telco, probably more modern deployments a
full 8 wires (ala CatX), though their traditional copper
distribution isn't built for it unless commercial (their
big PED on the roads your neighborhood comes back to. 
Probably something in the telcordia standards back to ma
bell days that says that is just how it is.  Since the
plants are non-shielded, non-twisted pair cabling too, it
can only modulate so high, particularly when poorly
run/done, which is why you're stuck at 12mbps.

If they had to change your home copper, they'd just run
fiber, neither will happen likely.

The DSL bonding is already a hack to get more bandwidth
when DSL itself is stuck in time now at raw theoretical
limits.  Combining more physical channels as these were
would 

Re: DSL bonding

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Wait until Musk's Starlink is available.  Legacy phone companies 
offering DSL won't have a chance.


On 8/22/20 9:05 AM, Michael Butash wrote:
Exactly, this is a common scenario these days, where people are stuck 
in their area with their crappy legacy isp's that are unwilling to 
invest in upgrading, or even just fixing what they have today.  Take 
back the power.  This is really on a per-ISP basis how good they are 
about doing so, but cable providers seem WAY ahead of any traditional 
2-wire telco.  Cox was actually one of the best I've worked with, they 
actually fix old cable plants they've acquired over time that are 
sub-standard, at least around Phoenix.


Back in 2003 when I was looking at doing the residential isp thing, I 
tried a few things, including mounting a big ass 2.4ghz antenna on my 
house and doing some 802.11 testing outside to see what sort of 
performance I'd get even from say my direct neighbor's house.  It was 
crap, even using proper cisco high-power commercial AP's at the time, 
so mostly scrapped that as it would be mostly unsupportable and/or 
unsellable.  There wasn't any better other than Microwave, which 
was/is still quite pricey to do.


Last year working with a Cali municipal ISP in Santa Monica, they do 
business and residential last-mile fiber for 1-10gbe connections, 
typically much cheaper than anyone there as they reuse their own city 
fiber used for traffic and emergency systems all over the city.  Any 
sort of construction, particularly street cuts, gets uber expensive, 
so we started using some wireless point to multipoint devices using 
technically 5g or mm-wave 60ghz connections that can do I think up to 
5 connections per unit, which were small and non-descript.  We dropped 
these on a stop light we were in already, pointed at the general area 
we wanted to cover, deployed our first customer in a week.  It helped 
we *were* the city to do so, but not to say you can't add a small 
tower in your backyard for the hood.


This came with 1gbps rates to each end node, at roughly 1000ft line of 
sight, so was a bit more ideal potentially for a residential wireless 
isp type of setup, or at least localized instances, and just needed to 
get a 1/10g single-mode ethernet connection to the multipoint unit. 
Perfect for neighborhood isp setups, this was using Siklu components, 
but Ubiquiti makes them too, I'm sure others. Even better after they 
start showing up on Ebay cheap.


I love this sort of networking stuff, working around the Man and such, 
building ISP's - I'm always happy to help explore these concepts if 
someone is serious about wanting to do so.  Who's got the VC hookups?  
Will work for bandwidth.


-mb


On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:23 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


I read something once about a lawyer who set up his own ISP.  The
phone company wouldn't supply DSL to the rural area where he
lived.  The only internet service available was dialup.  He found
that from the roof of his barn, he had line of sight to the
building the law firm had its offices in.  He found some
interested neighbors and set up a microwave link from his barn to
the office.  The local phone company did lease him the lines he
needed to provide DSL to his neighbors.

On 8/20/20 2:28 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Part of me really would enjoy setting something like this up. The
new High speed and dedicated wireless/microwave tools we have now
are pretty dang phenomenal and could lead to a decent
wireless/wired hybrid internet service.


On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

I'm not sure I could live somewhere with crap internet, I
would probably go about forming some sort of local isp of
sorts if enough folks around to be worth it.  It's not
exactly hard, backward telcos and cable companies can figure
it out, it's all capital cost up front and who pays for it,
ideally more than just you.

Circa 2003 at cox business, we had some baller customers with
DS3's to their house (one ran an isp in his basement), which
really meant we installed an OC3 fiber node there, and gave
them a third of it.  These were maybe $2000-3000/mo circuits,
but the construction to get fiber to their crib alone might
be $30-50k.  One customer in the middle of a lake community
was more to build into.  Either they lock you into a 5yr or
more contract to make that construction cost back, or you pay
it up front.

Back then, I worked a lot with the project group that did
construction, so I sat down with someone and we looked at
getting fiber to my house for some baller ser

Re: DSL bonding

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Better than a lot of people around here get.  I hope it's available here 
soon.


On 8/27/20 8:30 AM, Michael Butash wrote:

Saw this today, interesting.

https://testmy.net/hoststats/spacex_starlink

-mb

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:09 PM Jim <mailto:azano...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Wait until Musk's Starlink is available.  Legacy phone companies
offering DSL won't have a chance.

On 8/22/20 9:05 AM, Michael Butash wrote:

Exactly, this is a common scenario these days, where people are
stuck in their area with their crappy legacy isp's that are
unwilling to invest in upgrading, or even just fixing what they
have today. Take back the power.  This is really on a per-ISP
basis how good they are about doing so, but cable providers seem
WAY ahead of any traditional 2-wire telco.  Cox was actually one
of the best I've worked with, they actually fix old cable plants
they've acquired over time that are sub-standard, at least around
Phoenix.

Back in 2003 when I was looking at doing the residential isp
thing, I tried a few things, including mounting a big ass 2.4ghz
antenna on my house and doing some 802.11 testing outside to see
what sort of performance I'd get even from say my direct
neighbor's house.  It was crap, even using proper cisco
high-power commercial AP's at the time, so mostly scrapped that
as it would be mostly unsupportable and/or unsellable.  There
wasn't any better other than Microwave, which was/is still quite
pricey to do.

Last year working with a Cali municipal ISP in Santa Monica, they
do business and residential last-mile fiber for 1-10gbe
connections, typically much cheaper than anyone there as they
reuse their own city fiber used for traffic and emergency systems
all over the city.  Any sort of construction, particularly street
cuts, gets uber expensive, so we started using some wireless
point to multipoint devices using technically 5g or mm-wave 60ghz
connections that can do I think up to 5 connections per unit,
which were small and non-descript.  We dropped these on a stop
light we were in already, pointed at the general area we wanted
to cover, deployed our first customer in a week.  It helped we
*were* the city to do so, but not to say you can't add a small
tower in your backyard for the hood.

This came with 1gbps rates to each end node, at roughly 1000ft
line of sight, so was a bit more ideal potentially for a
residential wireless isp type of setup, or at least localized
instances, and just needed to get a 1/10g single-mode ethernet
connection to the multipoint unit.  Perfect for neighborhood isp
setups, this was using Siklu components, but Ubiquiti makes them
too, I'm sure others.  Even better after they start showing up on
Ebay cheap.

I love this sort of networking stuff, working around the Man and
such, building ISP's - I'm always happy to help explore these
concepts if someone is serious about wanting to do so.  Who's got
the VC hookups?  Will work for bandwidth.

-mb


On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:23 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

I read something once about a lawyer who set up his own ISP. 
The phone company wouldn't supply DSL to the rural area where
he lived.  The only internet service available was dialup. 
He found that from the roof of his barn, he had line of sight
to the building the law firm had its offices in.  He found
some interested neighbors and set up a microwave link from
his barn to the office.  The local phone company did lease
him the lines he needed to provide DSL to his neighbors.

On 8/20/20 2:28 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Part of me really would enjoy setting something like this
up. The new High speed and dedicated wireless/microwave
tools we have now are pretty dang phenomenal and could lead
to a decent wireless/wired hybrid internet service.


On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM Michael Butash via
PLUG-discuss mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

I'm not sure I could live somewhere with crap internet,
I would probably go about forming some sort of local isp
of sorts if enough folks around to be worth it.  It's
not exactly hard, backward telcos and cable companies
can figure it out, it's all capital cost up front and
who pays for it, ideally more than just you.

Circa 2003 at cox business, we had some baller customers
with DS3's to their house (one ran an isp in his
basement), which really meant we installed an OC3 fiber
node there, and gave 

Re: Raspberry Pi uses on a home network

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I have a question about these websites that block browsers with an ad 
blocker.  How do they react if the computer I'm using uses Pi hole?


On 9/10/20 3:57 PM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I decided to go with Pi-hole as I believe I can get the most benefit 
from that for my needs.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 8:02 PM polt via PLUG-discuss 
> wrote:


use it to control your 3D printer, if you don't have a 3D printer
you should get one so you can control it.

Jason


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I've been offered a Raspberry P 3B+ with a POE hat, but am having
difficulty deciding if I really need it. Currently the uses I can
see for it within my home network are:

1. Ubiquiti controller (replacing a cloud controller);
2. Pi hole;
3. Tor relay node;
4. Asterisk server.

Would appreciate some ideas for other possible uses.

Steve



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Re: Raspberry Pi uses on a home network

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Sounds good.  I'll have to look into installing Pihole on this dinosaur.

On 9/11/20 10:20 AM, AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm also in the process of setting up a PiHole server. In the reading 
I've done so far (and as I understand things), the Pihole server would 
block any DNS requests to the ad server itself. So, the ad would never 
be retrieved onto your network in the first place. Websites can detect 
if you have an ad-blocker extension in your browser and then present a 
page indicating such. Since you no longer need said browser extension 
there isn't a way that a given website could detect that you've 
blocked an ad.


At least that's my understanding. I'll let the web developers on the 
list chime in. :)


Peter


On 9/11/2020 9:40 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:


I have a question about these websites that block browsers with an ad 
blocker.  How do they react if the computer I'm using uses Pi hole?


On 9/10/20 3:57 PM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I decided to go with Pi-hole as I believe I can get the most benefit 
from that for my needs.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 8:02 PM polt via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


use it to control your 3D printer, if you don't have a 3D
printer you should get one so you can control it.

Jason


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I've been offered a Raspberry P 3B+ with a POE hat, but am
having difficulty deciding if I really need it. Currently the
uses I can see for it within my home network are:

1. Ubiquiti controller (replacing a cloud controller);
2. Pi hole;
3. Tor relay node;
4. Asterisk server.

Would appreciate some ideas for other possible uses.

Steve



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messed up network manager.

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I made the mistake of installing pihole on this machine which is running 
kubuntu 20.04.  When it finished, DNS didn't work anymore.  I 
uninstalled piehole.  Somehow I messed up network manager.  It doesn't 
show that I have a network connection.  I could ping IP addresses such 
as 8.8.8.8 but DNS still didn't work.  I edited 
/etc/systemd/resolved.conf where I added DNS=8.8.8.8 and 
FallbackDNS=8.8.4.4.  I rebooted and DNS is working again.  Still, 
Network Manager is messed up.  I click on it and it doesn't show any 
available networks.  I can right click on the network manager icon, then 
click Configure network connections, and the ethernet connection is 
there. The option in Network manager to stop or start the network isn't 
there.


Please somebody tell me how to fix this.

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Re: messed up network manager.

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Thanks Aaron for your  suggestion.  I followed your instructions.  Now 
Discover recognizes that it's online.   The network manager gui still 
isn't there.  I tried nmcli.


$ nmcli -a
enp5s0: unmanaged
    "Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411"
    ethernet (r8169), 00:1A:4D:93:EF:2F, hw, mtu 1500

lo: unmanaged
    "lo"
    loopback (unknown), 00:00:00:00:00:00, sw, mtu 65536

How do I tell network manager to manage the connection?  I checked 
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.  I changed false to true, 
rebooted but no effect.


[main]
plugins=ifupdown,keyfile

[ifupdown]
#managed=false
managed=true

[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no

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Re: messed up network manager.

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

This is all.

$ cat interfaces
# interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

How do I put something in there?

On 9/14/20 11:00 AM, Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss wrote:

https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager


Is there anything inside /etc/network/interfaces?


Thanks,

Aaron

On 9/14/20 9:43 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Thanks Aaron for your  suggestion.  I followed your instructions.  
Now Discover recognizes that it's online.   The network manager gui 
still isn't there.  I tried nmcli.


$ nmcli -a
enp5s0: unmanaged
    "Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411"
    ethernet (r8169), 00:1A:4D:93:EF:2F, hw, mtu 1500

lo: unmanaged
    "lo"
    loopback (unknown), 00:00:00:00:00:00, sw, mtu 65536

How do I tell network manager to manage the connection?  I checked 
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.  I changed false to true, 
rebooted but no effect.


[main]
plugins=ifupdown,keyfile

[ifupdown]
#managed=false
managed=true

[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no

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Re: messed up network manager.

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

In case this helps
$ sudo NetworkManager --print-config
# NetworkManager configuration: /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf 
(lib: 10-dns-resolved.conf, 10-globally-managed-devices.conf, 
no-mac-addr-change.conf) (etc: default-wifi-powersave-on.conf)


[main]
# rc-manager=symlink
# auth-polkit=true
# dhcp=internal
dns=systemd-resolved
plugins=ifupdown,keyfile

[ifupdown]
managed=true

[keyfile]
unmanaged-devices=*,except:type:wifi,except:type:gsm,except:type:cdma

[logging]
# backend=journal
# audit=true

[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no

[device-mac-addr-change-wifi]
match-device=driver:rtl8723bs,driver:rtl8189es,driver:r8188eu,driver:8188eu,driver:eagle_sdio,driver:wl
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no

[connection]
wifi.powersave=3

# no-auto-default file "/var/lib/NetworkManager/no-auto-default.state"

On 9/14/20 11:00 AM, Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss wrote:

https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager


Is there anything inside /etc/network/interfaces?


Thanks,

Aaron

On 9/14/20 9:43 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Thanks Aaron for your  suggestion.  I followed your instructions.  
Now Discover recognizes that it's online.   The network manager gui 
still isn't there.  I tried nmcli.


$ nmcli -a
enp5s0: unmanaged
    "Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411"
    ethernet (r8169), 00:1A:4D:93:EF:2F, hw, mtu 1500

lo: unmanaged
    "lo"
    loopback (unknown), 00:00:00:00:00:00, sw, mtu 65536

How do I tell network manager to manage the connection?  I checked 
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.  I changed false to true, 
rebooted but no effect.


[main]
plugins=ifupdown,keyfile

[ifupdown]
#managed=false
managed=true

[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no

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Re: messed up network manager.

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Monday I reinstalled the OS and the apps I had installed.  When that was 
complete, I made a backup of the SSD this thing boots from.  To test it, 
I restored the backup to an extra 1TB drive I'm not using for anything 
else.  During the restore, clonezilla said something about the backup 
being made from a disk at /dev/sda, and being restored to /dev/sdi.  It 
said something about modifying something related to the grub install on 
sdi.  When  it was done, I checked and saw I was able to mount and look 
around in the disk at /dev/sdi.  I then removed the plop cd that I use 
because this dinosaur doesn't like to boot from USB sticks.  It will, 
but it's picky and not worth the trouble.  I rebooted the machine and 
during the booting up, I realized i forgot to remove the 1TB drive I was 
using.  I unplugged the USB cable and turned off the docking station.  
Immediately the machine started filling the screen with red error 
messages.  It dawned on me that the BIOS is set to boot from the cd 
drive first, then via usb, then the internal drive. This dinosaur that's 
normally picky about booting from usb sticks was booting from a 1TB 
drive connected via usb.  This thing does usb3 due to an add on card, 
that it's not supposed to be able to boot from.  It seems I accidentally 
stumbled onto something that could be useful.  I'll have to look into it.

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start zoom from command line

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Is there a way to launch zoom and have it connect to a meeting using the 
command line?  I'm looking for something simpler than opening 
Thunderbird, finding the email with the link to the meeting, clicking 
the link then waiting for the web browser to open, then for it to launch 
zoom.



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Re: start zoom from command line

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I already have the zoom client installed.  I'm looking for whatever I 
would need to enter at the command line to have the zoom client open and 
connect to the meeting in question.  If I had that information, I could 
create a link to an application on the desktop so I could click it then 
zoom would launch and connect to the meeting.


thanks

On 9/28/20 12:31 PM, Ed via PLUG-discuss wrote:

If you expand the Zoom.us link - the /j/ part to /wc/join/ the meeting
will happen in a limited way in the browser - this would enable
passing a URL directly to a browser at launch from the command line.

Is that what you are looking for?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 2:43 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:12:08 -0700
Jim via PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Is there a way to launch zoom and have it connect to a meeting using
the command line?  I'm looking for something simpler than opening
Thunderbird, finding the email with the link to the meeting, clicking
the link then waiting for the web browser to open, then for it to
launch zoom.

You can install a Zoom client.

SteveT

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Re: start zoom from command line

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I already have the zoom client.  What do I enter at the command line to 
make zoom launch and connect to a particular meeting?


On 9/27/20 2:42 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:12:08 -0700
Jim via PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Is there a way to launch zoom and have it connect to a meeting using
the command line?  I'm looking for something simpler than opening
Thunderbird, finding the email with the link to the meeting, clicking
the link then waiting for the web browser to open, then for it to
launch zoom.

You can install a Zoom client.

SteveT

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Re: Old Computer

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

It sounds superior to the dinosaur I have.   How much would you want to 
ship it to Tennessee?


On 9/28/20 8:55 PM, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Howdy,

I am retiring my old tower, which served me well over a decade as both a
gaming tower and as a NAS. I no longer have a use for it, nor the space
for it. I would rather see it go to a new home than to the junkyard. If
anyone is interested, please ping me off-list and we'll see what we can do.

Specs:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300
RAM: 8GB DDR2
GPU: Nvidia Geforce 550 Ti
Case: Full tower with up to 9 drive bays (one of which is taken up by a
DVD-ROM)
Motherboard: Asus gaming motherboard circa 2008, no built in wifi but
does have dual gigabit ethernet.

Add a hard drive and a wifi adapter (if desired) and its ready to use.

Runs Linux just fine. Tested up to Ubuntu 18.04, but I wouldn't expect a
lot of performance compared to modern machines.

Cheers.

-Matt


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Re: start zoom from command line

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Thanks.  I tried using the instructions there to connect to the test 
meeting at 
https://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09. 
Here's what I entered:


$ zoom launch 
--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09
ERROR: "zoom launch" was called with arguments 
["--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09"]

Usage: "zoom launch"

Then it put me back at the command prompt.  I looked again at the 
instructions to see if I missed something.  I missed where it said to 
include the quotes.  so I tried that:


$ zoom launch 
"--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09"
ERROR: "zoom launch" was called with arguments 
["--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09"]

Usage: "zoom launch"
$

On 9/28/20 9:49 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:

This looks like it's got the info you need:
https://superuser.com/questions/1563255/start-a-zoom-meeting-from-the-command-line 



Brian Cluff

On 9/28/20 9:40 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I already have the zoom client.  What do I enter at the command line 
to make zoom launch and connect to a particular meeting?


On 9/27/20 2:42 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:12:08 -0700
Jim via PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Is there a way to launch zoom and have it connect to a meeting using
the command line?  I'm looking for something simpler than opening
Thunderbird, finding the email with the link to the meeting, clicking
the link then waiting for the web browser to open, then for it to
launch zoom.

You can install a Zoom client.

SteveT

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Re: start zoom from command line

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Didn't work.

$ zoom launch 
--url="zoommtg://us02web.zoom.us/j/82466379827?pwd=Z0xERGZib2VqZTlMSjlIY1pXUW80Zz09"
ERROR: "zoom launch" was called with arguments 
["--url=zoommtg://us02web.zoom.us/j/82466379827?pwd=Z0xERGZib2VqZTlMSjlIY1pXUW80Zz09"]

Usage: "zoom launch"
$

On 9/29/20 8:53 AM, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Try putting the first quote after the =


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 8:47 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


Thanks.  I tried using the instructions there to connect to the test
meeting at
https://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09.
Here's what I entered:

$ zoom launch
--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09
<http://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09>
ERROR: "zoom launch" was called with arguments
["--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09
<http://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09>"]
Usage: "zoom launch"

Then it put me back at the command prompt.  I looked again at the
instructions to see if I missed something.  I missed where it said to
include the quotes.  so I tried that:

$ zoom launch
"--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09
<http://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09>"
ERROR: "zoom launch" was called with arguments
["--url=zoommtg://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09
<http://zoom.us/j/94780156957?pwd=SWx1WHNJcjVNUndjV2pxTkNseEQ0UT09>"]
Usage: "zoom launch"
$

On 9/28/20 9:49 PM, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> This looks like it's got the info you need:
    >

https://superuser.com/questions/1563255/start-a-zoom-meeting-from-the-command-line

>
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 9/28/20 9:40 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> I already have the zoom client.  What do I enter at the command
line
    >> to make zoom launch and connect to a particular meeting?
>>
>> On 9/27/20 2:42 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:12:08 -0700
>>> Jim via PLUG-discuss mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a way to launch zoom and have it connect to a
meeting using
>>>> the command line?  I'm looking for something simpler than opening
>>>> Thunderbird, finding the email with the link to the meeting,
clicking
>>>> the link then waiting for the web browser to open, then for it to
>>>> launch zoom.
>>> You can install a Zoom client.
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>>
>>> Steve Litt
>>> Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
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non free video codecs for chromium

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I'm trying to get Chromium to play video from sites that use H264 
video.  I have Kubuntu 20 on this machine.  I looked online for help, 
but anything I found didn't work.

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Re: non free video codecs for chromium

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra.  I couldn't find 
chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-nonfree


On 10/18/20 4:44 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Also have you installed the following? "chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra 
and chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-nonfree"?


On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:40 PM Stephen Partington 
mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Take a gander at this?
   chromium://serviceworker-internals/

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

I'm trying to get Chromium to play video from sites that use H264
video.  I have Kubuntu 20 on this machine.  I looked online
for help,
but anything I found didn't work.
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Re: non free video codecs for chromium

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I fixed it.  I moved the config file to another folder, launched 
chromium again, and it works.  Thanks



On 10/18/20 4:40 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Take a gander at this?
     chromium://serviceworker-internals/

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
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I'm trying to get Chromium to play video from sites that use H264
video.  I have Kubuntu 20 on this machine.  I looked online for help,
but anything I found didn't work.
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Re: OS/2 box and CDs need a new home

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Does anyone still use OS/2?  Is software still being written for it?


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swap file vs swap partition

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Regarding swap file vs swap partition: Is one better than the other?  
When I installed Kubuntu on my machine, both options were available and 
I chose the swap file.  The OS is installed on an SSD.

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Re: Usable screenshot tools

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Why are people pushing Wayland?  X works.  Why should anyone use 
Wayland?  What does it do that X doesn't do?



On 11/1/20 7:20 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Since my last (arch) system update, I can't seem to find any 
screenshot tools that work anymore in kde.  Wondering if anyone has 
any recommendations what works for them lately


I've used spectacle from kde for like a decade now as one of my 
favorite tools, and just as of a few months ago, it's gone to hell for 
me, and just crashes if I try to take a screenshot of a selected 
area.  Trying shutter recently from gnome, it sort of works at times, 
other times tends to crash when trying to take a screenshot of a 
selected area as well. I've tried some others I've already forgotten 
the names of a while back, nothing seems to work anymore.


I somewhat blame stupid wayland shenanigans in change, I'm not even 
using wayland, but all the major kde news is about wayland, that seems 
to just be bringing the whole thing down around their ankles.  
Whatever kde is doing lately is just bringing it back 10 years in 
stability.


It's so hard to find good software these days.

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Re: Usable screenshot tools

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Thanks.  That answered questions i had about the difference between the two.

On 11/3/20 7:32 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

This has a very nice comparison of the differences.

https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 1:12 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss 
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 22:40:51 -0700
    Jim via PLUG-discuss mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

> Why are people pushing Wayland?  X works.  Why should anyone use
> Wayland?  What does it do that X doesn't do?

Requires systemd, I suspect.

SteveT

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Clam on access scanning

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I wanted to get Clam's on access virus scanner working.   It's running, 
but doesn't block the eicar test virus.  I type cat eicar.com.txt and it 
appears in the terminal.  System activity shows clamd running with my 
username, clamonacc running as root and freshclam running as the user 
clamav.   I have Kubuntu 20.04 installed.  Apparently I'm missing 
something.  Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks

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Help with clam on access scanning

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I have Kubuntu 20.04 installed with Clamav.

clamscan -V tells me
ClamAV 0.102.4/26014/Thu Dec 10 07:21:42 2020

cat /proc/version says
Linux version 5.4.0-56-generic

I tried to get the on access scanning to work. clamonacc is in 
/usr/bin.  I used the directions here:

https://www.clamav.net/documents/on-access-scanning

The problem is that it doesn't do anything when I access eicar.com.txt 
which I downloaded from

https://www.eicar.org/?page_id=3950

Have I missed something or is there something else going on?


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Re: Help with clam on access scanning

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Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.  You say you're not using Clam 
now.  What do you use?  I'm open to something that may be better.


On 12/17/20 8:45 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:

You may have to check and see if the .txt extension is one of the ones that can 
be set for scan on access. Since I haven’t used the Clam in a very long time, I 
am not sure if any of the old advanced options are still in there.

-Eric
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Re: Help with clam on access scanning

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I followed the instructions here for setting up on access scanning

https://www.clamav.net/documents/on-access-scanning

The only instruction I couldn't follow was this:
Set the `ScanOnAccess` option to `yes`  There was no such option in 
/etc/clamav/clamd.conf  I also saw no option to set for scan on access 
any particular file type.  I tried sudo clamonacc, tested the   test 
files and it didn't stop me accessing them.  I found out that starting 
clamonacc with the -F option can be helpful when something isn't 
working.  I tried delboy@ladmo:~$ sudo clamonacc and a minute or so 
later, here's what I got:


ClamInotif: watching '/home/delboy' (and all sub-directories)
ERROR: ClamInotif: could not watch path '/home/delboy', No space left on 
device

ClamScanQueue: stopped
ClamInotif: stopped
Clamonacc: stopped
delboy@ladmo:~$

df -h shows 1.1T available on the disk mounted as my home directory.

Does anyone have any idea what's going on?

thanks

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You may have to check and see if the .txt extension is one of the ones that can 
be set for scan on access. Since I haven’t used the Clam in a very long time, I 
am not sure if any of the old advanced options are still in there.

-Eric
 From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Infrastructure security 
division



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I have Kubuntu 20.04 installed with Clamav.

clamscan -V tells me
ClamAV 0.102.4/26014/Thu Dec 10 07:21:42 2020

cat /proc/version says
Linux version 5.4.0-56-generic

I tried to get the on access scanning to work. clamonacc is in /usr/bin.  I 
used the directions here:
https://www.clamav.net/documents/on-access-scanning

The problem is that it doesn't do anything when I access eicar.com.txt which I 
downloaded from
https://www.eicar.org/?page_id=3950

Have I missed something or is there something else going on?


thanks

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Question about memory for a Dell

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Recently I bought a Dell Optiplex 7010.  Today I started looking for 
some more memory (2 4GB DIMMs) to put in it.  Some said it was for the 
Dell while others didn't claim to be for a specific model.   I did 
notice that the ones claiming to be for a Dell were about twice the cost 
of those that didn't and I don't want to pay the extra if I can avoid 
it. I'm sending links to a couple of the choices.  Can someone tell me 
if there's any difference between the two? Thanks.


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Re: Question about memory for a Dell

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Thank you .  I don't live in the Valley, but what you've told me will 
save me some cash.  Thanks again.


On 1/14/21 4:49 PM, Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I maintain about 15 Dell Optiplex 7010
They do use several different Motherboards but so far all have used 
standard DDR3 unbuffered Memory up to 32GB
Factory ram is usually Hynix 4G 2Rx8 PC3-1200U some have 2 slots 
others have 4 slots
Resell Electronics/Westech Recycling 220 S 9th St #400, Phoenix, AZ 
85034 Has lots of used Ram in stock
4Gb is about 5$ 8Gb is about 15$ as I recall  8GB are not always in 
stock but I buy all of them when they have them



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Recently I bought a Dell Optiplex 7010.  Today I started looking for
some more memory (2 4GB DIMMs) to put in it.  Some said it was for
the
Dell while others didn't claim to be for a specific model.   I did
notice that the ones claiming to be for a Dell were about twice
the cost
of those that didn't and I don't want to pay the extra if I can avoid
it. I'm sending links to a couple of the choices.  Can someone
tell me
if there's any difference between the two? Thanks.

https://tinyurl.com/y69nepup

https://tinyurl.com/y54gjnfz

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Re: Question about memory for a Dell

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I definitely won't be buying an Apple anything.  I can't afford them.  
Dmidecode tells me the DIMMS are 4096 MB, 1600 MT/s and made by 
Hynix/Hyundai. That makes it easy to figure out what I need.  Thanks to 
you and Todd Cole for replying.  I


On 1/14/21 8:01 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Memory hasn't been as finicky in years than I found it 10-20 years or 
more now, most seem fairly tolerant as long as you match up specs.


If using windoze, install cpu-z and just match the specs, speed, 
unbuffered, ddr-class, etc.  Likewise using dmidecode under linux, 
just match spec what is there now.  If using a mac, just pay whatever 
overpriced ram apple wants to sell you because you or your sponsor can 
obviously afford it.  Probably a better way under mac, I'm sure google 
knows most sticks are probably compatible there too realistically.


I do miss when there used to be the technology swap meets over in Mesa 
here to find old/dated hardware for stuff like this, I think that all 
moved to Craigslist, now Letgo and others, always ebay if nothing 
else.  I always buy used ram, particularly when talking the more 
pricey large ECC server stuff, really haven't had complaints 
personally doing so. Last time I put 128gb in my desktop, I did so for 
around a grand from ebay getting old server dimms from a retired cisco 
ucs box, same memory, which from dell would have been some $8k of 
absurdity.


-mb


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Recently I bought a Dell Optiplex 7010.  Today I started looking for
some more memory (2 4GB DIMMs) to put in it.  Some said it was for
the
Dell while others didn't claim to be for a specific model.   I did
notice that the ones claiming to be for a Dell were about twice
the cost
of those that didn't and I don't want to pay the extra if I can avoid
it. I'm sending links to a couple of the choices.  Can someone
tell me
if there's any difference between the two? Thanks.

https://tinyurl.com/y69nepup

https://tinyurl.com/y54gjnfz

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Re: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

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People who can afford those expensive, illegal computers will still get 
them.  Some will have it shipped to a friend or relative out of state 
who will then ship it to the Peoples Republic of California.  Others 
close enough to the state line will have it shipped to someplace out of 
state, drive across the state line to pick it up.   Others will pick one 
up when they're out of state on business or visiting someone.  Others 
will smuggle them into the state and sell at a huge profit.  This 
business model has worked well for drug dealers for decades.  Of course 
if California didn't have this irrational fear of nuclear power, they 
would have plenty of electricity.  Also if the power companies were 
allowed to clear the right of way for their power lines, the risk of 
fire from lines coming down would be reduced.  If power companies 
weren't sued into bankruptcy, they wouldn't be so fearful of another 
fire that they'd turn off the power to millions of people when the wind 
speed picked up.


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Lists for pihole

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Recently I bought a raspberry pi.  One thing  I wanted to do with it was 
to run pihole for my local network.  I got it installed and working, but 
I couldn't find any lists that worked with it.  I went online and found 
several and installed them.  I know the pihole software was able to read 
them because the config page told me it was blocking around 2 million 
domains.   I set my router to use the pi as its only DNS.  I still got 
ads on my computer and phone.  The desktop was configured to use DHCP.  
I changed its DNS settings to use the pi for DNS, but no change.  Does 
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cnn.com, foxnews.com and most any other website I visited.  When I 
tested pihole, I turned off the ad blocking extensions in the browsers.  
I turned them back on and the ads went a way.


  I've read about youtube including the ad in the same stream as the 
video.  When I watch a video with an ad in it, I fast forward that part.


On 11/23/21 7:01 AM, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Where do you see the ads? Some, like YouTube, cannot be blocked with pihole at 
all.


On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:45 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss 
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Recently I bought a raspberry pi.  One thing  I wanted to do with it was to 
run pihole for my local network.  I got it installed and working, but I 
couldn't find any lists that worked with it.  I went online and found several 
and installed them.  I know the pihole software was able to read them because 
the config page told me it was blocking around 2 million domains.   I set my 
router to use the pi as its only DNS.  I still got ads on my computer and 
phone.  The desktop was configured to use DHCP.  I changed its DNS settings to 
use the pi for DNS, but no change.  Does anyone here know where I can get some 
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Re: Lists for pihole

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cnn.com, foxnews.com and most any other website I visited.  When I 
tested pihole, I turned off the ad blocking extensions in the browsers.  
I turned them back on and the ads went a way.


  I've read about youtube including the ad in the same stream as the 
video.  When I watch a video with an ad in it, I fast forward that part.


On 11/23/21 8:44 AM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Are you using Firefox with the DoH setting enabled?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 07:02 Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss 
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Where do you see the ads? Some, like YouTube, cannot be blocked
with pihole at all.

> On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:45 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
> Recently I bought a raspberry pi.  One thing  I wanted to do
with it was to run pihole for my local network.  I got it
installed and working, but I couldn't find any lists that worked
with it.  I went online and found several and installed them.  I
know the pihole software was able to read them because the config
page told me it was blocking around 2 million domains.   I set my
router to use the pi as its only DNS.  I still got ads on my
computer and phone.  The desktop was configured to use DHCP.  I
changed its DNS settings to use the pi for DNS, but no change. 
Does anyone here know where I can get some lists that work?   Thanks
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Re: Lists for pihole

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I used Firefox and Chromium.  I don't know what DoH is.  I'll have to 
look that up.


On 11/23/21 8:44 AM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Are you using Firefox with the DoH setting enabled?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 07:02 Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss 
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Where do you see the ads? Some, like YouTube, cannot be blocked
with pihole at all.

> On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:45 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
> Recently I bought a raspberry pi.  One thing  I wanted to do
with it was to run pihole for my local network.  I got it
installed and working, but I couldn't find any lists that worked
with it.  I went online and found several and installed them.  I
know the pihole software was able to read them because the config
page told me it was blocking around 2 million domains.   I set my
router to use the pi as its only DNS.  I still got ads on my
computer and phone.  The desktop was configured to use DHCP.  I
changed its DNS settings to use the pi for DNS, but no change. 
Does anyone here know where I can get some lists that work?   Thanks
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Re: Lists for pihole

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I'll have to turn pihole on again with DoH disabled.  Does anyone know 
where I can get some good lists?


On 11/23/21 9:06 AM, Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Good point. Some browsers now use their own DNS and bypass yours.

On 11/23/21 08:44, Steve B wrote:

Are you using Firefox with the DoH setting enabled?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 07:02 Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss 
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Where do you see the ads? Some, like YouTube, cannot be blocked
with pihole at all.

> On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:45 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> Recently I bought a raspberry pi.  One thing  I wanted to do
with it was to run pihole for my local network.  I got it
installed and working, but I couldn't find any lists that worked
with it.  I went online and found several and installed them.  I
know the pihole software was able to read them because the config
page told me it was blocking around 2 million domains.   I set my
router to use the pi as its only DNS.  I still got ads on my
computer and phone.  The desktop was configured to use DHCP.  I
changed its DNS settings to use the pi for DNS, but no change. 
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Re: Lists for pihole

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I looked it up and checked network.trr.mode in about:config.  It was set 
to 0 which, according to the url below says it was off by default.  I 
changed it to 5 which means off by choice.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Trusted_Recursive_Resolver#network.trr.mode

On 11/23/21 8:44 AM, Steve B via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Are you using Firefox with the DoH setting enabled?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 07:02 Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:


Where do you see the ads? Some, like YouTube, cannot be blocked
with pihole at all.

> On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:45 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
> Recently I bought a raspberry pi.  One thing  I wanted to do
with it was to run pihole for my local network.  I got it
installed and working, but I couldn't find any lists that worked
with it.  I went online and found several and installed them.  I
know the pihole software was able to read them because the config
page told me it was blocking around 2 million domains.   I set my
router to use the pi as its only DNS.  I still got ads on my
computer and phone.  The desktop was configured to use DHCP.  I
changed its DNS settings to use the pi for DNS, but no change. 
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Re: Lists for pihole

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I've reinstalled pihole and this time it works.  Some websites have ads, 
others don't.  It works better on my phone. The aps don't show ads.  
Neither do any websites.  Thanks for the tips.


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Raspberry pi stop disk spin down

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I have a hard drive attached via a USB adapter to my raspberry pi. The 
problem is that the disk always shuts down after a few minutes of 
inactivity.  When I want to access something on the disk or write to it, 
I have to wait for it to spin up.  How would I go about setting it so it 
doesn't spin down?  I tried to look online and found sdparm mentioned, 
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Re: Raspberry pi stop disk spin down

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Thanks.  I'll look into this.  If I can't get it to make the disk stay 
spinning, I can always use a cron job to access a small text file every 
5 or 10 minutes.


On 11/28/21 1:23 PM, AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,
I have had the same problem with USB connected drives on my Pis, but I 
needed the reverse. Namely, I wanted them to spin down after some 
time. The bottom line is that since the hard drive is connected via 
USB, the USB hardware itself may prevent the drive from spinning down 
(or always shut it down). But, I've had some success using the 
smartmon tools package to control how/when a given hard drive will 
spin down. The package is called smartmon tools, but the command 
itself is smartctl. A few examples:

sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda            - display all info about drive
    sudo smartctl -g all /dev/sda        - get all non-SMART settings 
(i.e. Advanced Power Mgmt setting)

    sudo smartctl --set=apm,127            - set Advanced Power Mgmt
    sudo smartctl --set=standby,241        - set standby timer to 
30min (not sure if this superseded by apm setting)


A low value means aggressive power management and a high value means 
better performance. Possible settings range from values 1 through 127 
(which permit spin-down), and values 128 through 254 (which do not 
permit spin-down). The highest degree of power management is attained 
with a setting of 1, and the highest I/O performance with a setting of 
254. A value of 255  disables Advanced Power Management altogether on 
the drive (not all drives support disabling it, but most do).


You'll have to dig into the man pages and play around with the various 
APM settings to see if you can get things to work as you like.


If all else fails you could just set up a cron job which runs a script 
every minute that simply touches a file on the drive (i.e. touch 
/some_folder/some_dummy_file.txt), which should prevent it from 
spinning down.


Hope this helps.
Peter



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I have a hard drive attached via a USB adapter to my raspberry pi. 
The problem is that the disk always shuts down after a few minutes of 
inactivity.  When I want to access something on the disk or write to 
it, I have to wait for it to spin up.  How would I go about setting 
it so it doesn't spin down?  I tried to look online and found sdparm 
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Re: Raspberry pi stop disk spin down

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I tried smartctl.  It reported that the apm data was unavailable.  I 
couldn't get it to stay on, so I came up with a workaround.  I set up a 
cron job with two commands.  The first touches a file on that drive.  
The second deletes it.  I set this for 10 minutes and it s eems to be 
working.


On 11/28/21 1:23 PM, AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,
I have had the same problem with USB connected drives on my Pis, but I 
needed the reverse. Namely, I wanted them to spin down after some 
time. The bottom line is that since the hard drive is connected via 
USB, the USB hardware itself may prevent the drive from spinning down 
(or always shut it down). But, I've had some success using the 
smartmon tools package to control how/when a given hard drive will 
spin down. The package is called smartmon tools, but the command 
itself is smartctl. A few examples:

sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda            - display all info about drive
    sudo smartctl -g all /dev/sda        - get all non-SMART settings 
(i.e. Advanced Power Mgmt setting)

    sudo smartctl --set=apm,127            - set Advanced Power Mgmt
    sudo smartctl --set=standby,241        - set standby timer to 
30min (not sure if this superseded by apm setting)


A low value means aggressive power management and a high value means 
better performance. Possible settings range from values 1 through 127 
(which permit spin-down), and values 128 through 254 (which do not 
permit spin-down). The highest degree of power management is attained 
with a setting of 1, and the highest I/O performance with a setting of 
254. A value of 255  disables Advanced Power Management altogether on 
the drive (not all drives support disabling it, but most do).


You'll have to dig into the man pages and play around with the various 
APM settings to see if you can get things to work as you like.


If all else fails you could just set up a cron job which runs a script 
every minute that simply touches a file on the drive (i.e. touch 
/some_folder/some_dummy_file.txt), which should prevent it from 
spinning down.


Hope this helps.
Peter



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I have a hard drive attached via a USB adapter to my raspberry pi. 
The problem is that the disk always shuts down after a few minutes of 
inactivity.  When I want to access something on the disk or write to 
it, I have to wait for it to spin up.  How would I go about setting 
it so it doesn't spin down?  I tried to look online and found sdparm 
mentioned, but found nothing I could understand. Please help. Thanks

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Re: ntp

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That's a good idea.  Here's an addition to it.  Have a second AA battery 
holder in parallel with the first.  Put in the new batteries before 
removing the old ones.  Or would that cause some problem I'm not 
thinking of?


On 12/26/21 4:47 AM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I had problems with those silly watch type batteries. So, my solution, 
which I have done to every machine of the desktop variety I have ever 
owned, was to take out said battery, wire in a AA holder and insert 
some rechargeable. Since it isn’t that hard, it turns out to be a low 
cost over time solution. Not recommended for laptops as the space is 
at a premium inside the case). Btw, a good set of rechargeable 
powering the RTC on board can literally last years between recharging. 
However, I always wanted to have a recharge circuit that would use the 
built-in switching supply to trickle charge the batteries when the 
machine is in operation. Never got around to doing that. However, 
replacing with freshly charged units and then correcting any time 
discrepancies resulting was easy enough to do (until I went total that 
is) Since no known firmware on any desktop or laptop is accessible for 
us totally blind technologists, I have to depend on someone else to 
take care of the finer points.


Still, for what it is, this is a wonderful solution.

-Eric
From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Innovations and 
Inventions Dept.



On Dec 23, 2021, at 10:03 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
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How does one set it up so that arch doesn't need a cmos battery. Mine 
is going belly-up and I don't want to replace it. I was thinking I 
shouldn't need to with NTP. What do you think?


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Re: Items for sale

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

That rack took a helluva beating  Who was the shipping company that did 
it?  Anyone who is planning on shipping something fragile might want to 
know.


On 1/1/22 6:22 PM, Shawn Badger via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I just posted a couple items on CL that I think some people in PLUG 
may be interested in. Send me a message and make sure you indicate 
your from PLUG and I will give them to you for 1/2 price.


https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/sop/d/chandler-heights-navepoint-9u-wall/7427515746.html 



https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/sop/d/chandler-heights-dell-precison-690/7427514475.html 



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Dell problems

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I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 that has a couple of problems I'm trying to 
get sorted.   It has Kubuntu 20.04 with 32GB RAM.  The ssd it boots from 
is less than half full.  Over the weekend the Ethernet adapter which is 
on the motherboard started acting up. When I first boot the machine for 
the day, it doesn't detect the Ethernet adapter.  I first replaced the 
cable connecting it to the router, but that didn't bring the network 
back.  I rebooted the machine and it detected the Ethernet adapter.    
Now every time I reboot it, there's no network, and I have to reboot it 
again to the the network.  Any idea what might be causing this?  If the 
Ethernet adapter is going bad, would a USB Ethernet adapter or an 
internal one that uses the PCI slot be better?


Now for the other problem.  The device notifier is supposed to pop up 
showing the storage device I plugged in and give me the option to mount 
it.  Several months ago it started showing every drive in the machine as 
a removable drive and giving me the option to unmount any that are 
mounted, including the drives inside the case.  I looked online for help 
with this and found a change to some config file that would hide those 
internal drives.  A few days ago I swapped out a drive in it and now 
that device notifier doesn't always show drives I attach to the system 
to do backups. I can't remember what config file I changed, so I can't 
undo whatever it was I did months ago.  Does anyone know what I messed up?



Thanks

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Re: Dell problems

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On 2/17/22 07:47, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
For the ethernet adapter, I would check and see if a bootable thumb 
drive has the same behavior. This may be a hardware-related issue and 
ruling that out might be a good first step.
I rebooted using a bootlable USB stick and the network wasn't there. I 
rebooted again into the same one and the network was there. I've seen  
several USB ethernet adapters for less than $15 on Amazon.  I guess I'll 
get one of those.



Were there any recent kernel or system updates that would have 
affected how your drives are identified? Bios setting?
The system presents me with updates almost every day,  but I'm guessing 
I can rule them out since the problem persists when I booted from a 
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Re: ot - gas price

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Careful what you ask for.  :-)

On 3/18/22 08:38, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
honestly... I was just wondering what gas was costing in AZ. I didn't 
want a political debate because most likely we are set in our beliefs. 
I would love to get together for drinks but can't make it as I live 
far from phoenix.



On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:24 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


And there it is.
Nice.
Everything I mentioned comes from Liberal Arts, not MAGA.
Jimmy Dore is Liberal Progressive.


On Friday, March 18, 2022, 06:58:56 AM MST, Thomas Cameron via
PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics.
Don't email me directly again.

On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
Show them you get your news from only one side without telling
them... (I couldn't resist):
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias
which is just opposite of Greg's.

  * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
  * The convenience.org  link seems to be
a blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly
balanced on bias from what I can tell.
The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with
prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office
($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because
he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign
sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut
it down again.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that
shutting down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in
development adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from
closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since
we rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly
to America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault...
our house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics
and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years
until it gets really ugly again.

JD

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html

https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/

On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Lets go Brandon!


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Re: ot - gas price

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Some say you can save on gas by riding a bicycle.  You can also ride a  
horse and taunt people at the gas station like this guy.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9DwjwCMtTn0

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Re: ot - gas price

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

After the good manners and courtesy shown in your reply, I had to make a 
reply of my own.  It's true that on day 1 of the Biden administration 
Biden stopped work on the Keystone pipeline and stopped most drilling on 
government land, and imposed stricter regulations on the rest.  If he 
hadn't done this, gas would be cheaper.  Besides, there is more harm 
done to the environment when oil comes from the middle east.  Ships have 
to burn more oil to bring it here.  Also pipelines are a more efficient 
way to move oil.  So Biden did have a role to play in the current price 
of gas.



Have a nice day.

On 3/18/22 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. 
Don't email me directly again.


On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
Show them you get your news from only one side without telling 
them... (I couldn't resist):

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which 
is just opposite of Greg's.


  * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
  * The convenience.org  link seems to be a
blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced
on bias from what I can tell.
The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with
prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33
on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened
domestic oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the
oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting 
down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development 
adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from 
closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we 
rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to 
America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our 
house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I 
don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years until it 
gets really ugly again.


JD

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html

https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/

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Lets go Brandon!


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Re: ransomeware

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How should a wine user configure wine properly?

On 3/7/22 17:59, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:
It affects all users on all platforms. Typically though, Linux users 
are usually more technically inclined and therefore less likely to be 
had by clicking links and other poor online behavior. Less likely does 
not mean immune.


Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+

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is that a windows problem or do we also have to worry about it?

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Re: GNOME or KDE?

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I have Kubuntu installed on my machine.  I like it but the only thing 
that bugs me about KDE is that I have 2 monitors on this machine and I 
never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I start it.


On 3/22/22 15:23, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
In the past there has been some discussion about which is better GNOME 
or KDE?  I like Mint and I see it offers MATE (a fork of GNOME 2) or 
Cinnamon (a fork of GNOME 3).  It has been years and I think I 
selected Cinnamon for my desktop.


Does it matter?

I tried Ubuntu and I did not like it for my workstation.  However for 
servers I only want Ubuntu.


Thanks!!

PS I'm on a mission and might have dozens of questions.  Thank you in 
advance!!



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Re: GNOME or KDE?

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Thanks.  I'll try these options today.

On 3/24/22 15:10, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 2022-03-24 14:40, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I have Kubuntu installed on my machine.  I like it but the only thing
that bugs me about KDE is that I have 2 monitors on this machine and I
never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I
start it.


Settings->Window Management->Window Behavior->Advanced. You may want a 
window placement of "minimal overlapping".  That means a new 
application will show up in the place that has the least amount of 
stuff in it.  Or maybe "centered" if you want all applications to show 
up in one place when you launch them.  Try the various options, see 
which one works best?


Also "allow KDE apps to remember the positions of their own windows" 
will probably help the KDE things remember where they're supposed to 
be. I could potentially have the TV as a second monitor here, but 
"mirror monitor to the TV" is a lot more practical AFAICT.



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Re: GNOME or KDE?

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Many times I've gone online to find out how to configure something.  
I'll open a link and read somebody asking for help with an issue similar 
to the one I have.  It seems like the first 47 comments are people 
saying not to do that and explaining how they think it's a bad idea.  
Finally, somebody answers the question that original poster asked.


On 3/24/22 18:14, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> I never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I 
start it.


Funny, this is one of my biggest complaints about KDE since the 4.x 
days.  I use a thunderbolt dock for my 2 external displays, and 
occasionally will lose power or accidentally wiggle the laptop too 
much, power down the displays, or just want to save on power/heat to 
power off myself, all hell breaks loose.  Often once they come back 
up, it'll do some random combination of one or all of 1) reverse the 
order of the displays, 2) reset all settings of my displays (like 
resolution/hz), 3) jumble every damn window of mine to random places, 
4) move everything to one display only, and 5) resize all my windows 
only on my 3rd display only to be 1px wide. This is a 4k monitor with 
not very thick window borders to begin with to do so!


Freakin' maddening, particularly #5 makes me want 5 finger death punch 
my display when I have to manually resize a few dozen windows on it!  
Even worse about #5 above, once I resize the window, if I try to move 
the window vs. resize it, it snaps like a rubberband to be 1px wide 
again.  What the hell would you even begin with to troubleshoot 
*that*?.  Is it kde base, kwin, video drivers/card, hdmi vs. 
displayport, mesa, or xorg?  They all blame each other, or me for 
being fancy with my hardware, so I gave up trying.


Trying to describe these to resolve in a bugtracker only nets me 
somewhere between a confused wtf sort of answer or "ohh, mr fancy with 
3x 4k displays, none of us have that to test with, sorry not sorry".  
It's like that Dave Chappelle episode teaching customer service at the 
printers, "If the customer says they have windows, tell them you only 
know mac.  If they say they have mac, tell them you only know 
windows.  If they say they have windows and mac, tell them you only 
know linux!"


I've tried gnome shell (hate it), cinnamon (tolerate it, has it's own 
display issues), mate (like it, but missing functionality I'm used to 
in Cinnamon and/or KDE), and unity (hated it, thankfully rip), still 
come back to KDE even with maddening persistent multi-monitor flaws 
for well over a decade now.  I've tried xfce, i3, some others, but 
just never "got it".  I am not a developer and understand why they 
prefer the tiling - I just don't work that way 98% of the time.  I 
move windows lots, and keep a lot of apps open buried in layers, 
calling them forth from my dock as needed, for that KDE + Cairo-Dock 
work great, so long as I keep the displays powered up 24/7.


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Re: GNOME or KDE?

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks for ending years of frustration.

On 3/24/22 15:10, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Settings->Window Management->Window Behavior->Advanced.  You may want 
a window placement of "minimal overlapping".  That means a new 
application will show up in the place that has the least amount of 
stuff in it.  Or maybe "centered" if you want all applications to show 
up in one place when you launch them.  Try the various options, see 
which one works best?


Also "allow KDE apps to remember the positions of their own windows" 
will probably help the KDE things remember where they're supposed to 
be. I could potentially have the TV as a second monitor here, but 
"mirror monitor to the TV" is a lot more practical AFAICT.



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Re: Knowing Linux as a developer: followup

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It seems to me that anyone who writes code should have some knowledge of 
every OS that code will have to work with.  It's been my experience that 
no software, machine or anything else developed by man has ever worked 
exactly as intended.   There's always some bug or quirk that needs to be 
dealt with.


On 4/23/22 14:16, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,

This has been an interesting journey. AZPHP and a friend who owns a 
data center confirmed that most developers do not have any familiarity 
with Linux.  All these years I thought otherwise.


I still think there is value in knowing Linux as an opensource 
developer.  In my case I am a PHP developer.


Maybe being involved in Linux distracted me from becoming a better 
developer or maybe the opposite is true that my Linux involvement has 
made me a better developer.


In my mind I am exploring or assessing what I might have changed now 
that I am at this point in my life and having had the experience I 
have had with PHP since 2006.


In a recent post I asked about changing from dominate PHP being 
supported by Linux to Linux being dominate and supported by PHP or 
another language and DevOps came up.


Sorry I am thinking out loud and am hoping for your feedback.

I wonder if PHP has run it's course.  Maybe it is time to change 
course.  I need to do more research and give it more thought.


I like opensource Linux hosting.  I recently configured Ubuntu LAMP + 
BIND + Let's Encrypt + Postfix + Dovecot.  Doing so showed me how much 
a really do not know.


Any feedback is much appreciated.
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Search in Dolphin

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For a year or more, the search option in Dolphin hasn't been working 
right.  I tried several times to look up how to fix it, but nothing I 
found worked until tonight.  I followed the instructions I found, and 
miracle of miracles, it's working now. I'll pass it along in case anyone 
else  has had this problem.


https://www.ryananddebi.com/2015/07/13/linux-getting-find-working-in-dolphin-on-kde-linux-mint-and-kubuntu/

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Renamed ethernet adapter

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Last night I renamed my ethernet adapter enx7cc2c6305483 (only one I 
have) to eth0.  I found the instructions online.  I went into 
/etc/netplan. First I renamed 01-network-manager-all.yaml to 
o1-network-manager-all.yaml.bak Then I created a new 
01-network-manager-all.yaml and made the changes I wanted.  I did this 
because I sometimes use netwatch, but it expects eth0 to be there. I got 
tired of having to specify the ethernet interface (netwatch -e 
enx7cc2c6305483). After I made the change and rebooted, ifconfig showed 
eth0 and netwatch worked without me having to use -e enx7cc2c6305483. 
Today I found that Discovery gave me an error saying it was offline, 
even thought it told me there are new updates available.  Also my vpn 
client stopped working. This was the only changed I made since 
yesterday, so I undid the changes I made in /etc/netplan and rebooted. 
Discover and the VPN client worked like they're supposed to.  How can I 
rename the interface to eth0 and fix it so nothing complains that the 
interface it's looking for isn't there? Thanks.  Below are the two 
versions of 01-network-manager-all.yaml



Original, what I went back to today

# Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system
network:
  version: 2
  renderer: NetworkManager


New one
# Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system
  network:
   version: 2
    ethernets:
    eth0:
    dhcp4: true
    match:
    macaddress: 7c:c2:c6:30:54:83
    set-name: eth0
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Disabling special keys

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Recently I got one of those ergonomic keyboards because it started 
hurting my wrists  to turn them so I could type on a regular keyboard.  
It arrived the other day and it works, but there are these extra keys on 
it that I've had problems with. The others I was able to deal with using 
xmodmap, but  one is a printer key.  When I press it xev tells me it's 
sending the Control_L and p codes at the same time.  I want to remap it  
so it sends only one keycode.  Here's what xev shows when I press it.



KeyPress event, serial 44, synthetic NO, window 0x481,
    root 0x2a4, subw 0x482, time 2679765, (28,30), root:(1349,77),
    state 0x10, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyPress event, serial 44, synthetic NO, window 0x481,
    root 0x2a4, subw 0x482, time 2679765, (28,30), root:(1349,77),
    state 0x14, keycode 33 (keysym 0x70, p), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (10) ""
    XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (10) ""
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 44, synthetic NO, window 0x481,
    root 0x2a4, subw 0x482, time 2679861, (28,30), root:(1349,77),
    state 0x14, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 44, synthetic NO, window 0x481,
    root 0x2a4, subw 0x482, time 2679861, (28,30), root:(1349,77),
    state 0x10, keycode 33 (keysym 0x70, p), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (70) "p"
    XFilterEvent returns: False

If I disable keycode 33, the p key also doesn't work.  Is there some way 
to get it to send just one code?


Thanks.

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Re: Disabling special keys

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I've got Kubuntu 20.04 and  there's no /usr/src/linux.    In /usr/src 
there are several directories with linux in the name, one is 
linux-headers-5.4.0-48.  In each one there's a drivers/hid directory, 
but I didn't find the maker of the keyboard.  I bought it off that 
website named after the big river in Brazil.  The brand  name was 
Nulea.  However, I did find a way to stop that key from annoying me when 
I hit it by accident.  I took the key off and removed that little bit of 
plastic that was under the key and replaced it.


About a year ago, I  wanted to be able to access the degree (°) without 
launching an app to show  the seldom used characters then finding the 
one I wanted and copying it and pasting it.  I found a way to modify the 
windows key so if I hold it down while pressing o twice, I get °.   The 
problem is that I forgot how or where I found out how to do that.  Any 
idea how to do that?  Thanks.


On 7/12/22 17:03, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 2022-07-12 14:30, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

one is a printer key.  When I press it xev tells me it's sending
the Control_L and p codes at the same time. I want to remap it

. so it sends only one keycode.  Here's what xev shows when I

press it.
KeyPress event,
    state 0x10, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L)
KeyPress event,
    state 0x14, keycode 33 (keysym 0x70, p)
KeyRelease event,
    state 0x14, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L)
KeyRelease event,
    state 0x10, keycode 33 (keysym 0x70, p)
If I disable keycode 33, the p key also doesn't work.  Is there
some way to get it to send just one code?


If this is anything like other HID devices that I've seen that do 
this, it will not be easy.  I have a mouse where one of the extra 
buttons generates KeyPress events for Shift_L, then Meta_L, then 
KeyRelease events for ISO_Left_Tab, Meta_L, and Shift_L.  I assume 
that this is being done at a rather low level in the device.  HID 
things can send key events if they want, that's part of being HID.  
There is usually no way (or no obvious way?) to change their 
multiple-key event sending.


I have not had a great deal of trouble with this because it's easy to 
not hit that button.  If I were really motivated to fix it, I'd go 
digging in /usr/src/linux/drivers/hid/ and find the file that contains 
the code for your manufacturer's devices.  Then learn the HID stuff 
and set things up so that if the scancode for this key comes in, you 
send 1 event of Xfree86_Print (or whatever other keysym you think is 
appropriate) instead of Control_L and p. Hacky, but you have the 
option.  The hid-prodikeys.c file shows an example of handling a USB 
keyboard that also has piano keys and modifier keys, it's long, but it 
may be a useful file to look at.



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Re: Disabling special keys

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Thanks Brian and Matt for your help.

On 7/13/22 09:42, Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Under system setting go to input devices and then keyboard.  Under the 
keyboard settings click on the advanced tab and then check Configure 
keyboard options.  Then scroll down to "Position of Compose key" and 
expand that.  Then just select the key you want to use to access the 
special characters "Left Win" if you want it to be the same as it was 
in the past.


Brian Cluff

On 7/12/22 22:41, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I've got Kubuntu 20.04 and  there's no /usr/src/linux.    In /usr/src 
there are several directories with linux in the name, one is 
linux-headers-5.4.0-48.  In each one there's a drivers/hid directory, 
but I didn't find the maker of the keyboard.  I bought it off that 
website named after the big river in Brazil.  The brand  name was 
Nulea.  However, I did find a way to stop that key from annoying me 
when I hit it by accident.  I took the key off and removed that 
little bit of plastic that was under the key and replaced it.


About a year ago, I  wanted to be able to access the degree (°) 
without launching an app to show  the seldom used characters then 
finding the one I wanted and copying it and pasting it.  I found a 
way to modify the windows key so if I hold it down while pressing o 
twice, I get °.   The problem is that I forgot how or where I found 
out how to do that.  Any idea how to do that? Thanks.


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Re: fax

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Thanks for mentioning this site.  I didn't know such services existed.

On 7/29/22 09:28, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
boy do I feel stupid. faxzero.com  worked. I sent 
that message  at 1:30.. I was tired!


On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 1:37 AM Michael  wrote:

could someone do me a favor and fax something to a number in florida?

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Customize Apache2 directory list

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I have a rapsberry pi as a server that among other things holds my music 
collection.   Today I got Apache2 running on it to serve music to my 
android phone so could listen when I'm out in the yard.   It works but 
the size of the text in the directory listing is really small.  How can 
I enlarge the size of the text?    I looked online but didn't find 
anything that  made sense.  Some sites said to use a css file.  One site 
even included an example css file.  However nobody shows how to use it.  
My understanding of css files is they affect how stuff is displayed in 
an html page.  When I get a directory listing, it doesn't display an 
html page.  It shows me what's in the directory.



Help please and thanks.

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Re: Customize Apache2 directory list

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Thank you James and Matt for your help.  This will work.

On 8/21/22 17:22, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 2022-08-21 16:43, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:42 PM Jim wrote:

Today I got Apache2 running on it to serve music to my android
phone so could listen when I'm out in the yard.   It works but
the size of the text in the directory listing is really small.  How can
I enlarge the size of the text?    I looked online but didn't find
anything that  made sense.  Some sites said to use a css file.


It's slightly more complicated than it should be, but read on.


If you're using the apache indexes page, you can add an
IndexStyleSheet directive.
https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_autoindex.html#indexstylesheet


This will not do what you want without extensive fiddling.  I found a 
better solution, or at least a hacked-together starting point, by 
cannibalizing and simplifying the Apaxy github project. I had to put 
these lines into the  where my default vhost lives:


IndexStyleSheet /indexcss/style.css
HeaderName /indexcss/header.html
ReadmeName /indexcss/footer.html
IndexOptions +Charset=UTF-8 +FancyIndexing +FoldersFirst +HTMLTable 
+IconsAreLinks +IgnoreCase +NameWidth=* +SuppressDescription 
+SuppressRules +XHTML -SuppressHTMLPreamble


Then you can see how it looks at http://crow202.com/indexcss/ . You 
probably will need to copy the example code and change the stuff 
around for your needs since it may not be large enough. Editing the 
style.css , header.html , and footer.html files will get you lots of 
stuff.  The entire project not the hacked-together trimmed down 
version is of course at https://github.com/oupala/apaxy , and it has 
more features including javascript.



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wget ssl certificate problem

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This has been bugging me for a while, but today it's annoying me to the 
point I want to fix it.  Wget gives me an error whenever I try to use 
it.  I have no problem getting files using a web browser.  Here's an 
example.  Using firefox I was able to download the file, but this can be 
a pain in the butt when I'm trying to add a repository.  I have Ubuntu 
20.04 installed.



$ wget https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/68992.epub.images
--2022-09-16 14:08:02-- https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/68992.epub.images
Resolving www.gutenberg.org (www.gutenberg.org)... 152.19.134.47, 
2610:28:3090:3000:0:bad:cafe:47
Connecting to www.gutenberg.org 
(www.gutenberg.org)|152.19.134.47|:443... connected.
ERROR: cannot verify www.gutenberg.org's certificate, issued by 
‘CN=Network Solutions OV Server CA 2

,O=Network Solutions L.L.C.,L=Herndon,ST=VA,C=US’:
 Self-signed certificate encountered.
To connect to www.gutenberg.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.

Any idea how to fix this?  thanks

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Boot up from cold boot no network

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A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04 started 
booting up without the network.  I'd reboot the machine and  the network 
was there.  If I shut down the machine and turned it on again, no 
network.  I thought something was wrong with the built in ethernet 
adapter, so I bought a usb adapter, disabled the built in one and the 
problem went away until today.  Now it's happening with the usb ethernet 
adapter.  Rebooting the machine fixes the problem gets the network up 
and running.  If I start with a cold boot and reboot at the grub screen, 
I get the network.  I have 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I have the same video 
card that I had before this problem first showed itself.  It's a GeForce 
GT 710.


I looked online and found something telling of other people who have had 
this problem.  They disconnected video cards and went back to the built 
in video (display port), and removed hard drives that had been added 
later and this fixed the problem.  The ultimate solution was to replace 
the power supply.  I disconnected one SSD and the 2 HDDs.  I don't have 
anything that can use a display port, so I left the video card in 
place.  All I had connected were  2 SSDs.  One it boots from and my home 
directory is on the other.  The problem still showed itself when I 
booted the machine, so I shut down and plugged in everything again.  
This thing has a 240 watt power supply.  Do power supplies go band in 
such a way they don't produce the amount of power they used to?


Any ideas what it might be?  Is there a command that would tell the 
system to set up the network again?  If there is, I could put it in the 
.bashrc until I get this fixed.


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Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

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I checked

/usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf.  The link you 
mentioned was the only line in the file.
 I commented out the line.  It now reads [keyfile]
#unmanaged-devices=*,except:type:wifi,except:type:gsm,except:type:cdma

I ran systemctl reload NetworkManager and shut down.  I booted the machine 
again, no network. I ran ifconfig and it didn't even shoe the network adapter.
delboy@ladmo:~$ ifconfig
lo: flags=73  mtu 65536
inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10
loop  txqueuelen 1000  (Local Loopback)
RX packets 1289  bytes 103269 (103.2 KB)
RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
TX packets 1289  bytes 103269 (103.2 KB)
TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

After I rebooted, the network was back and ifconfig showed lo and the ethernet 
adapter.

eno1: flags=4163  mtu 1500    inet 
192.168.1.2  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.1.255    inet6 
fe80::1480:79c7:4830:8495  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20   
  ether 34:17:eb:d0:34:55  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)    RX 
packets 1528  bytes 618600 (618.6 KB)    RX errors 0  dropped 0 
 overruns 0  frame 0    TX packets 1453  bytes 198021 (198.0 KB) 
   TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0 
   device interrupt 20  memory 0xf720-f722


On 9/23/22 13:57, Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I've discovered a similar issue just yesterday.  I hunted it down and found 
that the cause, for me at least, was in the static NetworkManager configuration.
NetworkManager configuration now marks *all* interfaces as unmanaged *except* 
WiFi and Cellular, basically all non-wireless interfaces are prevented from 
being activated.  Apparently some genius at Ubuntu decided nobody uses wired 
connections.
In /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf, check the line that 
starts with "unmanaged-devices".  If it reads as follows, consider modifying or 
commenting out the line.
 unmanaged-devices=*,except=type:wifi,except=type:gsm,except=type:cdma

If you make changes, run "systemctl reload NetworkManager" to update the 
running daemon.


On 2022-09-23 12:04 PM, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the same thing if I 
tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual boot, and reboot back into 
linux. I can regain network access again by hibernating again and booting back 
into linux directly (no windows). Pretty annoying because it takes a solid 2-5 
minutes to shut down when hibernating. At least it still does the job, just 
with delay.

This only happens if I try hibernating and then boot into windows (not full 
shutdown, not hibernate and boot directly to linux). It has always happened 
since I enabled hibernation (arch wiki instructions). Having Systemd restart 
NetworkManager does nothing. Setting up a new network configuration with 
networkmanager does not solve it. This is with my motherboard ethernet and my 
wireless USB adapter. I spent some good energy trying to figure it out, but 
never did.


Did you update kernels today? What if you downgrade?

Put the solution as a boot script. Or at least bash profile instead of run 
commands (otherwise it will run every time you spawn a terminal shell)

Sep 23, 2022 11:14:35 Jim via PLUG-discuss:


A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04 started booting up 
without the network.  I'd reboot the machine and  the network was there.  If I 
shut down the machine and turned it on again, no network.  I thought something 
was wrong with the built in ethernet adapter, so I bought a usb adapter, 
disabled the built in one and the problem went away until today.  Now it's 
happening with the usb ethernet adapter.  Rebooting the machine fixes the 
problem gets the network up and running.  If I start with a cold boot and 
reboot at the grub screen, I get the network.  I have 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I 
have the same video card that I had before this problem first showed itself.  
It's a GeForce GT 710.

I looked online and found something telling of other people who have had this 
problem.  They disconnected video cards and went back to the built in video 
(display port), and removed hard drives that had been added later and this 
fixed the problem.  The ultimate solution was to replace the power supply.  I 
disconnected one SSD and the 2 HDDs.  I don't have anything that can use a 
display port, so I left the video card in place.  All I had connected were  2 
SSDs.  One it boots from and my home directory is on the other.  The problem 
still showed itself when I booted the machine, so I shut down and plugged in 
everything again.  This thing has a 240 watt power supply.  Do power supplies 
go band in such a way they don't produce the amount of power they used to?

Any ideas wh

Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

The onboard nic is a 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (Lewisville)
   vendor: Intel Corporation

The driver is e1000e. When this nic began acting up a few months ago, I 
started using the usb adapter.  When it started acting up, I removed it 
and went back to the onboard nic.


ip link showed

: 1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 so ip 
neighbor showed nothing.  ip address: 1: lo:  mtu 
65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000

    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

tcpdump did nothing.

Joseph Sinclair asked if I upgraded or downgraded the kernel. I hadn't 
upgraded the kernel unless it did that when I upgraded to Kubuntu 22.04.


I ran journalctl -xe after it booted up without the network and with 
it.  I wouldn't know what to look for.  If anyone else wants to have a 
look, I've put version on google drive.


without network 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tPf-2wzsAdN9YL1fbIt0gbJu082YCqUU/view?usp=sharing


with network 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_dc12Loro0D4dCe8_kodqIj3GKTQOspf/view?usp=sharing


On 9/23/22 14:00, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I've used a lot of usb-based devices, and still do technically with a 
thunderbolt dock for like the past 5 years, and not really run into 
this on either ubuntu or arch.  I've run into some weirdness before 
though with wired or wireless nics. Basic linux network 101 applies... 
test it like a network engineer, layer 1-7.


use "ip link" to see the state of of the physical nic, or verify layer 1
use "ip neighbor" to verify you see mac forwarding ala arp table, or 
layer 2/3
use "ip address" to verify exactly that, verifying dhcp or static 
configs take place for layer 3
use "iftop" or "tcpdump" to see what traffic is sending, and if any is 
coming back assuming your nic has link for layer 2-7


Aside from that probably a kernel/firmware thing.  Use journalctl -xe 
or -b options to show you boot and logs (as root) of what happens 
around the events with your nic.  It could be some firmware bug, 
realtek's used to be terrible cursed names, but really haven't a 
problem for me in the past 5-10 years I'd say, and you're hard pressed 
to find a usb nic that *isn't* a realtek.


You can probably rmmod and insmod the realtek driver too as long as 
something isn't using it.  If it's busted, it should not be used, but 
stranger things happen, especially if firmware is hung in a funky way, 
which is usually what would always happen with them.


-mb


On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:04 PM T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the
same thing if I tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual
boot, and reboot back into linux. I can regain network access
again by hibernating again and booting back into linux directly
(no windows). Pretty annoying because it takes a solid 2-5 minutes
to shut down when hibernating. At least it still does the job,
just with delay.

This only happens if I try hibernating and then boot into windows
(not full shutdown, not hibernate and boot directly to linux). It
has always happened since I enabled hibernation (arch wiki
instructions). Having Systemd restart NetworkManager does nothing.
Setting up a new network configuration with networkmanager does
not solve it. This is with my motherboard ethernet and my wireless
USB adapter. I spent some good energy trying to figure it out, but
never did.


Did you update kernels today? What if you downgrade?

Put the solution as a boot script. Or at least bash profile
instead of run commands (otherwise it will run every time you
spawn a terminal shell)

Sep 23, 2022 11:14:35 Jim via PLUG-discuss
:

> A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04
started booting up without the network.  I'd reboot the machine
and  the network was there.  If I shut down the machine and turned
it on again, no network.  I thought something was wrong with the
built in ethernet adapter, so I bought a usb adapter, disabled the
built in one and the problem went away until today.  Now it's
happening with the usb ethernet adapter.  Rebooting the machine
fixes the problem gets the network up and running.  If I start
with a cold boot and reboot at the grub screen, I get the
network.  I have 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I have the same video card
that I had before this problem first showed itself.  It's a
GeForce GT 710.
>
> I looked online and found something telling of other pe

Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I think I should stay with Ubuntu for now, but thanks. I've found it's 
often best to not overcomplicate things.


On 9/23/22 15:54, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Fri, 2022-09-23 at 12:04 -0700, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the same thing if I
tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual boot, and reboot back into 
linux.
I can regain network access again by hibernating again and booting back into 
linux
directly (no windows). Pretty annoying because it takes a solid 2-5 minutes to
shut down when hibernating. At least it still does the job, just with delay.

2 to 5 minutes to shut down isn't unusual with systemd. Also, Ubuntu is ultra
friendly and hardware tolerant, but there's a cost: Layers upon layers upon 
layers
of abstraction, making troubleshooting a needle in a haystack. Also, 
NetworkManager
is kind of twitchy and overly dependent on dbus.

If you no longer need the training wheels Ubuntu provides, I suggest you switch 
to
Devuan, or if you're comfortable with a close to the metal Linux with an 
excellent
rolling release packaging system, Void Linux. Both of these get rid of systemd.

I suggest you use runit as your init system: It's much better than sysvinit. 
Devuan
has a package for it and Void comes with runit straight from the factory. If 
you use
Devuan, you might want to use sysvinit as your PID1, and then supervise your 
daemons
with runit.

If your computer has a fixed IP address, you can set it with the upnet.sh
shellscript performed as the last thing in the boot (put it in rc.local). For 
the
long version of upnet.sh that's good to use with Qemu virtual machines, see
http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm#hostnetworking . For a short and 
to
the point upnet.sh, see the following and modify as necessary:


===
#!/bin/sh

# MAKE SURE IP FORWARDING IS ENABLED
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

# DEAL WITH HOSTNAME AND LOCALHOST
hostname=`grep -v "^\s*#"  /etc/hostname | head -n1`
ip link set dev lo up

# UNDO ANY POSSIBLE STUFF FROM PREVIOUS UPNET.SH
ip link set dev tap0 down
brctl delif br0 tap0
ip link del tap0
ip link set dev br0 down
ip addr del 192.168.0.102/24 dev br0
ip addr del 192.168.0.2/24 dev br0
brctl delbr br0
ip link set dev enp40s0 down
ip addr del 192.168.0.102/24 dev enp40s0
ip addr del 192.168.0.2/24 dev enp40s0

# BRING UP enp40s0
#ip addr add 192.168.0.2/24 dev enp40s0
#ip addr add 192.168.0.102/24 dev enp40s0
ip link set dev enp40s0 up
#ip route add default via 192.168.0.1

### GET br0 UP AND RUNNING WITH RIGHT IP ADDRESSES
ip link add name br0 type bridge
ip link set dev enp40s0 master br0
ip addr add 192.168.0.2/24 dev br0
ip addr add 192.168.0.102/24 dev br0
ip link set dev br0 up
ip route add default via 192.168.0.1

### DO THE TUN/TAP STUFF
ip tuntap add tap0 mode tap
brctl addif br0 tap0
#ip addr add 192.168.0.66/24 dev tap0
ip link set dev tap0 up
==

The nice thing about the preceding is it's portable between distros. You can 
even
use it in Ubuntu to restore your static network connectivity if if vanishes. 
Note
that if you're not using taps or bridges you can eliminate a lot of it, but 
you'll
need to uncomment a couple things. Obviously, you'll need to change IP 
addresses to
your desired network device name, static IP and default route.

HTH,

SteveT




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Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I tried cold booting this computer from a parted magic image I have on a 
usb stick.  This also resulted in no network.  I then shut it down and 
cold booted into windows, also no network, so it appears to be happening 
regardless of the OS.


On 9/23/22 12:04, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the same thing if I 
tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual boot, and reboot back into 
linux. I can regain network access again by hibernating again and booting back 
into linux directly (no windows). Pretty annoying because it takes a solid 2-5 
minutes to shut down when hibernating. At least it still does the job, just 
with delay.

This only happens if I try hibernating and then boot into windows (not full 
shutdown, not hibernate and boot directly to linux). It has always happened 
since I enabled hibernation (arch wiki instructions). Having Systemd restart 
NetworkManager does nothing. Setting up a new network configuration with 
networkmanager does not solve it. This is with my motherboard ethernet and my 
wireless USB adapter. I spent some good energy trying to figure it out, but 
never did.


Did you update kernels today? What if you downgrade?

Put the solution as a boot script. Or at least bash profile instead of run 
commands (otherwise it will run every time you spawn a terminal shell)

Sep 23, 2022 11:14:35 Jim via PLUG-discuss :


A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04 started booting up 
without the network.  I'd reboot the machine and  the network was there.  If I 
shut down the machine and turned it on again, no network.  I thought something 
was wrong with the built in ethernet adapter, so I bought a usb adapter, 
disabled the built in one and the problem went away until today.  Now it's 
happening with the usb ethernet adapter.  Rebooting the machine fixes the 
problem gets the network up and running.  If I start with a cold boot and 
reboot at the grub screen, I get the network.  I have 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I 
have the same video card that I had before this problem first showed itself.  
It's a GeForce GT 710.

I looked online and found something telling of other people who have had this 
problem.  They disconnected video cards and went back to the built in video 
(display port), and removed hard drives that had been added later and this 
fixed the problem.  The ultimate solution was to replace the power supply.  I 
disconnected one SSD and the 2 HDDs.  I don't have anything that can use a 
display port, so I left the video card in place.  All I had connected were  2 
SSDs.  One it boots from and my home directory is on the other.  The problem 
still showed itself when I booted the machine, so I shut down and plugged in 
everything again.  This thing has a 240 watt power supply.  Do power supplies 
go band in such a way they don't produce the amount of power they used to?

Any ideas what it might be?  Is there a command that would tell the system to 
set up the network again?  If there is, I could put it in the .bashrc until I 
get this fixed.

Thanks

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