Re: I love AI and linux!
Sad but true all on the march "Forward" to Singularity where you will be redeemed from your Earthly sin by AI.Mark Zuckerberg confirmed recently AI engineers are working on trying to replace God.Mark Zuckerberg Says AI Competitors Think They Are 'Creating God' | | | | | | | | | | | Mark Zuckerberg Says AI Competitors Think They Are 'Creating God' Lucas Nolan Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has shared his vision for the future of artificial intelligence, emphasizing the import... | | | In case you need a break from all this I highly recommend reading Alexander DuginDas Grosse Erwachen gegen den Great Reset : Trumpisten gegen Globalisten by Alexander Dugin: Neu Taschenbuch (2021) | AHA-BUCH GmbH | | | | $12.05 | | | | | | | Das Grosse Erwachen gegen den Great Reset : Trumpisten gegen Globalisten... ISBN: 9781914208591 - Taschenbuch - Arktos Media Ltd Okt 2021 - 2021 - Condition: Neu - nach der Bestellung gedr... | | | They won't even sell it in English anymore. Or watch his interview by TuckerKlaus Schwab, Transgenderism, and AI | Russian Philosopher Aleksandr Dugin | | | | | | | | | | | Klaus Schwab, Transgenderism, and AI | Russian Philosopher Aleksandr Dugin | | | Years ago I laughed when he said liberalism would collapse into fascism...he was right and I'm not laughing anymore. first 20 mins of this one is worth it as wellJeffrey Sachs: The Untold History of the Cold War, CIA Coups Around the World, and COVID's Origin | | | | | | | | | | | Jeffrey Sachs: The Untold History of the Cold War, CIA Coups Around the ... | | | and remember: War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. Freedom is Slavery.Four legs good. Two legs better. On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 01:44:20 PM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: We are tracked more than we know. Facebook endeavors to know everything about us. We are tracked by our cellular phones. Our credit card purchases are tracked. Google tracks us maybe down to the MAC address I understand our home insurance provide is using drones to look into our back yard And our ISP keeps a log of everything we do. I changed auto insurance companies and they wanted me to plug a doodad into my car. I said no. At one point in my life I pondered creating a program that would make nonsense searched to confuse Google... Yikes!! Oh yeah, and there is the IoT I understand my electric company is tracking my usage in real time. Anyone want to add to the list? On 2024-07-03 13:22, Snyder, Alexander J wrote: > Unsure, but I bought into the "Google Apps" stack way back in 2010, so > I resigned the fact that Google owns me anyway. Never been terribly > concerned with "being tracked" as I take all the "IT Admin Common > Sense" step to keep myself safe online. > > -- > Thanks, > Alexander > > Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 12:59 wrote: > >> >> >> On 2024-07-03 12:00, Snyder, Alexander J wrote: >>> Regarding being logged in ... >>> >>> I subscribe to the paid "Teams" version. It gets us all the newest >>> features, and also includes the "memory". I tell it to "remember" >> or >>> "update your memory" for XYZ thing, and it does. Like it will only >>> tell me things compatible in Python 3.10 or newer, or that I >> prefer >>> '[[' in BASH versus '[' as my test alias. >>> >>> I've also told it that when we're iterations on the same piece of >> code >>> over and over, that it should only rewrite the relevant portions >> of >>> code and not the entire script, as that gets annoying if you're >> doing >>> things quickly. >>> >>> I've never experienced ChatGPT as an anonymous user, as I jumped >> on >>> the paid wagon as soon as it became available. >> >> I've always assumed that Google tracks me by my MAC address. I >> wonder >> if ChatGPT does the same. >> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Alexander >>> >>> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 11:49 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >>> wrote: >>> Mike, I take it you are logged in to ChatGPT? Most of the time I am >> using ChatGPT I am NOT logged in. I wonder if it make a difference. Interesting information you have uncovered Mike. Keith On 2024-07-03 09:02, Michael wrote: > look what ai just told me: > > how long do you remember chats > > I retain information shared during the current chat session for > context. However, when you end a session, the specific details >> of our > conversation aren't retained for the next session, except for >> any > information you've explicitly asked me to remember using the bio tool. > For example, I remember that you use Linux Mint with the XFCE desktop > environment and that your CMOS battery is dead because you asked me to > remember these details. > > If you want me to retain certain
Re: VirtualBox, Proxmox, QEMU and CPU Vs vCPUs
didn't VMWare have a free version recently?I never investigated one the recent posts sent out too much.I didn't know the costs doubled. Wow!Yes I have heard talk of Kubernetes and the like around.I took a course through the Maricopa school district last year but haven't used it professionally yet. so much change to keep up with... On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 04:13:28 PM MST, Adam Mercer via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 2:47 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > speaking of VMs I see they are migrating from VMWare to OpenShift from Red > Hat at work. > Anyone know more about this? Is it cost based? More than likely due to the increased costs in VMWare since the Broadcom acquisition. At work our VMWare licensing costs doubled and that was with going down a license level and losing a few features. I think it was a seven fold increase to stay with the same license. Some other groups at work saw their costs increase by a factor of twelve. I know there are discussions about moving away from VMWare to something else, but that's occurring above my paygrade. Cheers Adam --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox, Proxmox, QEMU and CPU Vs vCPUs
speaking of VMs I see they are migrating from VMWare to OpenShift from Red Hat
at work.Anyone know more about this? Is it cost based?no one is saying why here.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 02:05:11 PM MST, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
wrote:
#yiv1180701151 p.yiv1180701151MsoNormal, #yiv1180701151
p.yiv1180701151MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}I think the option you're looking for is
called "affinity":
https://pve.proxmox.com/pve-docs/pve-admin-guide.html#qm_cpu_resource_limits
With the affinity option, you can specify the physical CPU cores that are
usedto run the VM’s vCPUs. Peripheral VM processes, such as those for I/O, are
notaffected by this setting. Note that the CPU affinity is not a
securityfeature.
That said, I'm wondering why you're wanting to do this, specifically what you
think you're going to gain over just allowing the kernel to schedule things the
way it normally does.
For instance, it's not going to lock that core specifically for use to that VM;
other processes can still use that core. You'd literally have to set the
affinity of every single process on your system to specific cores which would
be an extreme pain. You still wouldn't have much control over which cores
receive interrupts and whatnot so even then you still wouldn't have complete
control.
Just let the scheduler do its thing, otherwise you're likely going to end up
with weird issues that no one can help with or explain.
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, at 1:51 PM, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I have a VM running with QEMU on Debian, v is a TrueNAS. Although they give you
a GUI to select options, it is my understanding that it's just pure QEMU
running on the backend.
In this VM, I have vCPUs configured.
--
Thanks,
Alexander
Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
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Hi,
I've started to skim the Ubuntu docs on QEMU. It talks about vCPUs.
I've run both VirtualBox and Proxmox. Seems both VirtualBox and Proxmox
only allow for CPU allocation at the CPU level.
I'd really like to be able allocate vCPUs.
Do I understand this correctly?
Thanks!!
Keith
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Re: kaspersky
very smart idea.
On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 08:26:05 AM MST, Ryan Petris
wrote:
#yiv4502895823 p.yiv4502895823MsoNormal, #yiv4502895823
p.yiv4502895823MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}This may sound kind of funny but I
remember conversations a long time ago about email hosting and at the time it
was actually suggested if you want to keep your data away from the
three-letter-agencies, to sign up for and use an account from a Russian email
provider.
The rational being while Russia might be spying on you, The
three-letter-agencies can't and Russia isn't going to share information with
them.
That said I haven't used an anti-virus in years as I haven't used Windows in
years, at least on personal machines. Machines I use for work have whatever
said company installed on them.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, at 8:09 AM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm quite certain all three letter agencies spy on us at the behest of the DC
establishment as they create the laws and Wall Street has their spies as well.
its all about commerce and trade. always has been.
On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 10:17:52 PM MST, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss
wrote:
Nope!
I saw that situation coming about 10 years ago. Also, wouldn’t trust AVAST or
other similar eastern EU products for much the same reason.
-Eric
>From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Software Insecurity Dept.
On Jun 22, 2024, at 8:02 PM, wheelie207 via PLUG-discuss
wrote:
I'm sure most of you have heard about kaspersky now being banned from the U.S.
I figured that was going to happen since Russia has control over business in
that country and a national security threat to the U.S
Is anyone else surprised by this.
Harold Hartley
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Re: kaspersky
I'm quite certain all three letter agencies spy on us at the behest of the DC establishment as they create the laws and Wall Street has their spies as well.its all about commerce and trade. always has been. On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 10:17:52 PM MST, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote: Nope! I saw that situation coming about 10 years ago. Also, wouldn’t trust AVAST or other similar eastern EU products for much the same reason. -EricFrom the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Software Insecurity Dept. On Jun 22, 2024, at 8:02 PM, wheelie207 via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'm sure most of you have heard about kaspersky now being banned from the U.S. I figured that was going to happen since Russia has control over business in that country and a national security threat to the U.SIs anyone else surprised by this. Harold Hartley Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: kaspersky
Hello, No unfortunately not surprised. You need to look at the causes of and reasons of the Crimean War to really understand what is going on.Pathetic that bankers should be killing for profit.Shame-shame.thanks,Greg On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 08:11:28 PM MST, wheelie207 via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'm sure most of you have heard about kaspersky now being banned from the U.S. I figured that was going to happen since Russia has control over business in that country and a national security threat to the U.SIs anyone else surprised by this. Harold Hartley Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gen AI and Job Interviews
Hello, On that note of knowing everything has anyone ever heard of this teaching method?https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Waldorf-Education-Teaching-Inside/dp/0876592469/ref=sims_dp_d_dex_ai_speed_loc_mtl_v4_d_sccl_2_3/144-9033955-9417112?pd_rd_i=0876592469=1 Any good? On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 11:58:35 AM MST, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote: The same way I found a candidate googling answers 20 years ago ... ask question ... listen to clickety clickety clickety through the phone ... pause ... near perfect answer recited with little emotion or thought. Over the years, I accepted googling answers, but I set the ground rules: "If you don't know the answer, tell me your google search term." At least that way I get insight into the candidate's ability to think. Nobody knows everything, but if you know how to search, you can solve almost any problem. Regards, George Toft On 5/6/2024 10:24 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > George Toft via PLUG-discuss said on Mon, 6 May 2024 10:45:56 -0700 > >> Speaking of Gen AI... we recently interviewed a candidate for our >> team. He used ChatGPT to answer the interview questions. Uh, that >> would be an instant "No!" dawg. LOLz. > How did you know? > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > > Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds
Has anyone worked in foreign country like Germany as a developer or IT personal?I wonder how they treat workers and the quality usually is pretty good for the end product.They were so good they were able to fix the computer system for the VWs to not work during emissions tests so they could pass easily.Volkswagen emissions scandal - Wikipedia | | | | | | | | | | | Volkswagen emissions scandal - Wikipedia The Volkswagen emissions scandal, sometimes known as Dieselgate[23][24] or Emissionsgate,[25][24] began in Septe... | | | On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 02:43:46 PM MST, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: I’ve worked at plenty of places that are more like what you’re saying about FB, but they weren’t working on ISO 900x and CMMI certifications. I was simply reflecting on the fact that we’ve got a lot of national Headquarters for companies here in the Phoenix area that ARE working on these certifications, and this has a certain depressing effect on wages when their goal is to make people in the same roles interchangeable. That’s what these efforts are all about — minimizing risk and reducing costs. They’re turning programming into a far less creative endeavor. That requires a more mechanized approach and less variability among workers. Maintenance programmers are simply required to take a bug ticket submitted with a documented way to reproduce the error and fix it without altering any other code. -David Schwartz On Apr 25, 2024, at 1:51 PM, Ryan Petris wrote: I can't say I've worked anywhere as strict as that, however I'll say that like any other career field, there are good and bad work places. Places that like to overly restrict things are going to lose good developers, and likely don't pay well to begin with. I worked for Meta/Facebook for a year before I got laid off last year, and I'll say that it was very much not like this. While you had regular projects and whatnot going on, you were free to make changes you thought were necessary or good changes to make. Now I didn't work on anything public facing, as I'm certain there are certain controls on making changes to what users can see, but otherwise any change just required approval from any other developer, and it would make it into production 6 hours or so later. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds
Hello, Do you ever wonder if you are really getting rewarded for all the
"value" you are providing for that "stake holder"?If you look at the builders
of a bridge for instance that was built 100 years ago when the wages were far
below the wage of today you can see that the stakeholders are now benefiting
from the labor of workers 100 years ago.
That project is still providing revenue that the builders may be entitled to if
you think about the long term value added.thanks,Greg
On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:20:20 PM MST, Ryan Petris
wrote:
#yiv9022558693 p.yiv9022558693MsoNormal, #yiv9022558693
p.yiv9022558693MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}As a software developer of 15 years, I
personally would not want a union, at least not one in a traditional sense.
Additionally, I've never been in a union so maybe my understanding is wrong or
outdated, however my reasoning for not wanting one are:
- I want my salary/benefits to be based on what I personally can bring to
the table.
- Similarly to #1, if I and/or my team perform better than the rest of the
company, I want us to be recognized for that and compensated appropriately.
- I don't want to start at the bottom of the totem pole at a new company
because I'm the new guy.
- I don't want to work with people that should have been let go due to their
performance but are effectively being protected by the union.
- I don't want to be forced to strike because the union is playing political
games that I don't care about.
There's a time and place for unions; when you're in the top 10% of national
salaries, you're not in a position to need one.
All that said, I work remotely, for a company that's not based in Arizona, and
therefore am paid relatively well compared to the local Market.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 11:53 AM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
would it be time to unionize or change the way business is done in AZ?
On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:50:10 AM MST, trent shipley
wrote:
No. As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer scientists
all see themselves as professionals who are above unionizing and seldom or
never do. I think we're seeing the effect of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd
world location for headquarters and software development options.
It's similar to "we make the chips. We aren't friken good enough to DESIGN the
chips. They do that in NICE places."
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:35 AM greg zegan wrote:
Wow!
thanks.
sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work state workers.
On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss
wrote:
https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ
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Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds
would it be time to unionize or change the way business is done in AZ? On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:50:10 AM MST, trent shipley wrote: No. As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer scientists all see themselves as professionals who are above unionizing and seldom or never do. I think we're seeing the effect of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd world location for headquarters and software development options. It's similar to "we make the chips. We aren't friken good enough to DESIGN the chips. They do that in NICE places." On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:35 AM greg zegan wrote: Wow!thanks.sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work state workers. On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds
Wow!thanks.sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work state workers. On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Where to get a legit copy of MS-Outlook for Win 11
Hello, I have used Thunderbird and it is really good. My only complaint is it seems you need to really go through and create filters for spam.I had hundreds of emails all the time and it made me appreciate Yahoo a little bit for doing that for me. Maybe I had it configured wrong?thanks,Greg On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 04:16:47 PM MST, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote: Outlook. Eek. For all the other Microsoft stuff, LibreOffice blows Microsoft out of the water. Outlook. yuck. I use Thunderbird for email, played with geary some (which worked pretty well), and haven't tried Evolution yet. You might consider looking at Evolution. I did some DuckDuckGo-ing and found: https://www.linuxnest.com/best-alternatives-for-outlook-on-linux-your-mail-client-comparison-guide/ https://alternativeto.net/software/microsoft-office-outlook/?platform=linux https://www.itpro.com/software/linux/367850/best-email-client-for-linux IT appears that Evolution is perhaps the one to check out first On 4/14/24 13:53, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote: > On 4/14/24 13:13, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> I am looking to get a legit copy of MS-Outlook for Win 11 as cheep as >> possible for my wife's computer. > > There is no such thing as a cheap copy of MS Outlook. Not anymore. > > You will either need to pony up for a Microsoft 365 subbscription > (which costs around $100/year), use their horrible web app, or wait > for Office 2024 LTSC to be released which will cost $hundreds > > Unless you truly need the business class Outlook, you could always use > the Windows 11 built-in mail app, or maybe you could consider training > your wife to use Thunderbird? > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ele engineering...
found this guy's channel today.https://www.youtube.com/@manoarrostita970/videos very cool On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 12:35:16 PM MST, Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss wrote: I use it for data analysis & presentation, and introduce students to its basic usage in the Electronics Measurements (ELE251) course that I teach at Mesa Community College . It is enormously powerful and similar to MATLAB (at least as I remember MATLAB from when I used to use proprietary software).Joe Neglia, P.E. MCC Electronics Program Directormesacc.edu/ele On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:55 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hello, Are there any engineers that use this product for design?Download | | | | | | | | | | | Download GNU Octave is a programming language for scientific computing. | | | thanks,Greg --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
ele engineering...
Hello, Are there any engineers that use this product for design?Download | | | | | | | | | | | Download GNU Octave is a programming language for scientific computing. | | | thanks,Greg --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux based hex editor
thank you I didn't know that about emacs
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:53:35 AM MST, Rusty Carruth via
PLUG-discuss wrote:
Ok, flame me if you will, but what I call 'the kitchen sink editor'
(emacs) has a hex edit mode that works pretty well also.
I've used it and it worked great, and I've used emacs on some pretty
huge files (over 1G, as I recall - you just need enough ram ;-)
Its been a while, so I don't remember details, other than you have to
get in to and out of hex edit mode.
On 12/11/23 08:22, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> thank you.
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 11:06:30 PM MST, Joseph Sinclair via
>PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> I've used hexedit ('apt install hexedit' or 'dnf install hexedit'). It
>works well and is terminal-based keyboard driven.
> The keymap takes a little getting used to, but once you've used it a while it
> works quite well.
>
>
> On 2023-12-08 03:56 PM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Hello, Follow up question. What hex editor would you recommend?I am
>> looking at a few on flathub.thanks,Greg
>>
>>
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Re: linux based hex editor
thank you.
On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 11:06:30 PM MST, Joseph Sinclair via
PLUG-discuss wrote:
I've used hexedit ('apt install hexedit' or 'dnf install hexedit'). It works
well and is terminal-based keyboard driven.
The keymap takes a little getting used to, but once you've used it a while it
works quite well.
On 2023-12-08 03:56 PM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Hello, Follow up question. What hex editor would you recommend?I am looking
> at a few on flathub.thanks,Greg
>
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linux based hex editor
Hello, Follow up question. What hex editor would you recommend?I am looking at a few on flathub.thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
FreeBSD install?
Hello, Has anyone worked with FreeBSD and what has your experience been?Would you recommend it to entry or intermediate level users to work with?thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Firefox and VM
Hello, I have heard of Qubes as well and would love more conversation on that. Edward Snowden talks about it.thanks,Greg On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:26:54 PM MST, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: der.hans via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 5 Dec 2023 18:48:33 + (UTC) >Am 29. Nov, 2023 schwätzte Steve B via PLUG-discuss so: > >moin moin Steve, > >I use debian lxc containers on a debian desktop for my containerized >Firefox profiles. > >Mostly I just use many Firefox profiles ( usually have several Firefox >instances running at a time ) on my desktop and make heave use of >Firefox containers. > >I run unprivileged lxc containers as another user, then use ssh -Y to >bring them up on my desktop. I'm probably causing a lot of overhead >this way :). > >At Stammtisch a couple weeks ago Victor talked to me about Qubes. I've >looked at Qubes a few times, but never played with it. He said it does >a great job of isolating processes in VMs, even the desktop is a VMs. >He got me interested in checking the project out again. > >https://www.qubes-os.org/intro/ moin moin der.hans, I'm going to have to let Qubes slide until I get all my Flex/Bison material finished, and until I get my HTML5/CSS course on a paying basis. If Qubes gets generally accepted as an alternative, I'll invite you to give a Qubes presentation at a GoLUG meeting, so I (and everyone else) can learn the easy way. Speaking of Flex/Bison, you wouldn't believe the progress both David Billsbrough and I have made on the subject. I've assembled tens of key understandings that are necessary to even start learning Flex/Bison, such that at tomorrow's GoLUG meeting, anybody who listens to my presentation will be in a position to learn Flex/Bison and Backus-Knaur Format (BNF) in a straightforward manner with a minimum of frustration. David Billsbrough's presentation (also tomorrow night right after mine) gives the audience foundational truths about the nuts and bolts of compiler making. It will be a night to remember. Once again, the meeting is Wednesday, 12/6/2023, 7PM Eastern Standard Time, at https://meet.jit.si/golug Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux Mint update questions ...
Hello, Get online with Mr. Ubuntu at the next PLUG meeting.He did great things for me on my two Debian systems that got messed up.thanks,Greg On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 04:03:02 PM MST, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote: PLUG Friends ... Need help updating: (I hate updates and updating!) I have four (4) IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads with these versions of Linux Mint installed. #1 T420 linux Mint version is 18.1 Serena #2 T430 linux Mint version is 18.1 Serena #3 T460 Linux Mint version is 20.1 Ulyssa #4 T530 Linux Mint version is 19.1 Tessa #1 is my primary computer and it is the only one on which everything (mostly) works the way I want it to work ... although it has several problems because the OS cannot be updated. Every week, I back up all of my data to the other three (3) and each of them have various deficiencies and need to be updated. For more than a year, I tried to get #3 to work in all respects as well as #1, but I was unable to get four (4) virtual desktops to work with unique screen backgrounds on each one. Now, #3 has developed problems because so many things that had been working fine, no longer work after I was coerced to do the latest update. Among the problems, I got an error message that said there was some defective program somewhere on the system, and it said I should use some program to find which program was defective, but I cannot find how to do that. I would be willing to pay someone (hopefully someone in the East Valley) to help me get this mess cleaned up and get all of my old Thinkpads working the way they once did before blank blank updates screwed up everything. j...@actionline.com ~ 480-325-5055 855 South 77th Place East Mesa AZ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: I think the power supply is going around my sons nuke
what make and model? On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 09:58:00 AM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: So the nuc is plugged into the wall via a laptop, computer power cord. So the other night I was walking him through updating the computer when it shut off. In my experience as little as I have that is an indication that the power supply needs to be replaced. Now is the power supply on the nuc the power cord?--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Problem with my kids computers.
Okla has a CLI based speed test that you can install on Linux and run anytime. On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 07:02:13 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Have you contacted your ISP? They should be able to tell you if it is on their end. If this is not happening regularly I would guess it is a temporary outage. On 2023-09-05 10:46, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I was at my kids house yesterday and was trying to update Mint xfce > 21.3 . I was having a problem with the internet. It was acting spotty. > I know it was because it wouldn't load web pages sometimes and others > it would. I also got the installer program to update on one of the > computers. I was thinking it was the modem although their video games > were acting fine. mostly. I know I should have brought their > computers home with me but. go you think it is the modems fault or > what? > > -- > > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: O/T : Windows WIFI not connecting
see if you can run this command netsh wlan show wlanreport and find that report.it should be in html formOn Monday, August 28, 2023 at 05:46:44 PM MST, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Can you do a ipconfig /all and see if a wireless interface is listed there?what IP address is showing for that? Device manager on that will show any conflicts with the drivers if at all.EventViewer may show something On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 08:41:29 PM EDT, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote: Not sure if I read this right but if it's a laptop many of them have a switch that turns off Wi-Fi. I've had customers mistakenly put that switch and no matter what they do in software could make it turn on. A work around for that issue if it's a problem with it Wi-Fi hardware is to get a USB dongle and connect using that. On Mon, Aug 28, 2023, 5:13 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Thanks!! I've disabled the WIFI and enabled it several times. I hope I do not have to replace the WIFI card. However I am along for the ride... Moved box into my office and will fire up on Ethernet in a bit. Have a couple things to take care of first. Thanks for your input!! Keith On 2023-08-28 17:04, Donald Cha. via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Your Wife's computer, turn off wifi, turn back on using management > properties. Could also be wifi card needs replaced. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android [1] > >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 6:53 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> Thanks for your reply!! >> >> I have not tried Ethernet yet. That would require me digging >> through my >> closet to find a long cable that might reach the other room or I >> might >> have to relocate the computer into my cluttered home office... Was >> hoping for some simple solution and if not I will connect via >> Ethernet. >> >> I'm reading I might have a corrupt driver that will require >> Ethernet. or maybe a thumb drive. At that point I will want to >> go >> with Ethernet, which I think might make the fix easier. >> >> On 2023-08-28 15:39, Andrew McRobb wrote: >>> Dumb question, but does it work when you connect via ethernet >> cable or >>> is it only wifi? >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 3:33 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Need some help. My wife's computer again. All was well until >> she >>>> tried >>>> to surf the Internet this morning. This computer has been >>>> configured on >>>> my network for over 3 years. >>>> >>>> It is a Win 10 Pro box. >>>> >>>> - I tried the windows troubleshooter and it said it was resetting >>>> the >>>> driver. >>>> - Checked my router and the computer shows up in the access >> control >>>> list. >>>> - Changed the WIFI password and it says it authenticates and then >>>> says >>>> there is no connection. >>>> - I have a Windows laptop that is configured to use WIFI and it >>>> works. >>>> - I cannot ping my wife's computer from my Linux desktop. >>>> - I've cycled everything multiple time. >>>> >>>> In searching the Internet it basically tells me to do what I have >>>> already done. >>>> >>>> Any words of wisdom are much appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks!! >>>> Keith >>>> --- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > Links: > -- > [1] > https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacementc=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignatureaf_sub1=Acquisitionaf_sub2=Global_YMktgaf_sub3=af_sub4=10604af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_ > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lis
Re: O/T : Windows WIFI not connecting
Can you do a ipconfig /all and see if a wireless interface is listed there?what IP address is showing for that? Device manager on that will show any conflicts with the drivers if at all.EventViewer may show something On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 08:41:29 PM EDT, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote: Not sure if I read this right but if it's a laptop many of them have a switch that turns off Wi-Fi. I've had customers mistakenly put that switch and no matter what they do in software could make it turn on. A work around for that issue if it's a problem with it Wi-Fi hardware is to get a USB dongle and connect using that. On Mon, Aug 28, 2023, 5:13 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Thanks!! I've disabled the WIFI and enabled it several times. I hope I do not have to replace the WIFI card. However I am along for the ride... Moved box into my office and will fire up on Ethernet in a bit. Have a couple things to take care of first. Thanks for your input!! Keith On 2023-08-28 17:04, Donald Cha. via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Your Wife's computer, turn off wifi, turn back on using management > properties. Could also be wifi card needs replaced. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android [1] > >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 6:53 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> Thanks for your reply!! >> >> I have not tried Ethernet yet. That would require me digging >> through my >> closet to find a long cable that might reach the other room or I >> might >> have to relocate the computer into my cluttered home office... Was >> hoping for some simple solution and if not I will connect via >> Ethernet. >> >> I'm reading I might have a corrupt driver that will require >> Ethernet. or maybe a thumb drive. At that point I will want to >> go >> with Ethernet, which I think might make the fix easier. >> >> On 2023-08-28 15:39, Andrew McRobb wrote: >>> Dumb question, but does it work when you connect via ethernet >> cable or >>> is it only wifi? >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 3:33 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >>> wrote: >>> Hi, Need some help. My wife's computer again. All was well until >> she tried to surf the Internet this morning. This computer has been configured on my network for over 3 years. It is a Win 10 Pro box. - I tried the windows troubleshooter and it said it was resetting the driver. - Checked my router and the computer shows up in the access >> control list. - Changed the WIFI password and it says it authenticates and then says there is no connection. - I have a Windows laptop that is configured to use WIFI and it works. - I cannot ping my wife's computer from my Linux desktop. - I've cycled everything multiple time. In searching the Internet it basically tells me to do what I have already done. Any words of wisdom are much appreciated. Thanks!! Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > Links: > -- > [1] > https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacementc=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignatureaf_sub1=Acquisitionaf_sub2=Global_YMktgaf_sub3=af_sub4=10604af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_ > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cmos battery.... how important is it?
those screws may be glued in.any way to access the battery by making precise cut or other? On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 07:23:01 AM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: I have a little NUC I've had since before I moved to Peru 12 years ago I think. Once in a while while the computer boots, the computer complains about the CMOS battery. sometimes after I boot the clock is off for a little while until NTP kicks in. so I don't worry about the CMOS battery because what else does it do besides keep the clock correct. I save 40 bucks by not replacing the battery (I can't access the battery... the screws are too tight). is my lack knowledge going to hurt me? please, educate me! -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
trouble with Debian install
Hello,My recent Debian install on a HP 840 EliteBook G1 is booting up upside down. Anyone know how to fix this? This happened before with Debian 11 and I found a command that fixed it permanently. This is what I found yesterday:xrandr linux command man page | | | | | | | | | | | xrandr linux command man page A compilation of Linux man pages for all commands in HTML. | | | xrandr -o normalThat command will get me by that session, but if I reboot and login again the splash screen and login in screen can and will be upside down.I had to add the sources.list part for the wifi card in using vi and upside down. Try that sometime. SSD will not matter.thanks,Greg --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Server CPU
Hello, I appreciate this topic. I have been wondering for a while now if there is an affordable home server out there for EXSi and such. Is there any way for someone to come up with a few choices for people like me? Is there a low end, mid range, and high end home server for someone to list with parts or suggested parts? thanks,Greg On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 01:01:13 PM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Thanks!! On 2023-07-20 11:36, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I personally wouldn't even go for a used server. They're generally > loud, and even when they aren't they use much more electricity than > what you would get from a consumer platform. There's really no benefit > unless you have room in your house to make a real server room with > racks and the electrical capacity to go along with it. > > On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Stephen Partington wrote: > >> the downside for these processors is their mainboards are still very >> pricy to buy. much more than the CPU itself. you are almost better >> off looking for and buying a refurbished server which you can get >> for almost ludicrously inexpensive prices. >> >> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 1:56 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> The CPU's cheap because it's old and no one wants them anymore -- >> it's of the same generation as 6000 series intel processors (i.e. >> skylake). It also uses a server socket, so the only motherboards >> you're going to be able to find are server motherboards. Those are >> going to be expensive and/or have other quirks, such as requiring a >> vendor specific heatsink, or a vendor-specific power supply, or take >> 5 minutes to start up, etc. >> >> You'd be better off spending money on a last-gen cpu and >> motherboard, for instance here's a combination that is relatively >> cheap: >> >> $174 for an i5-12400, which according to cpubenchmark.net [1] is >> nearly 30% faster than the Xeon you linked (score of 19501 vs 15146, >> much faster single-core score as well): >> >> > https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-12400-Desktop-Processor-Cache/dp/B09NMPD8V2/ >> >> $139 for a compatible motherboard: >> >> > https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B760M-DS3H-AX-Motherboard/dp/B0BSP61QZC/ >> >> I also wouldn't pay so much attention to the number of "threads" you >> think you'll need; you can run many VMs with a total number of >> virtual processors that is much more than what you actually have, >> and as long as you're not trying to go whole hog on every machine at >> the same time you'll be fine, and even if you do, you'll still be >> better off with a faster processor with a few fewer threads than an >> older slower cpu with more. >> >> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I was surfing the Inter Web when I happened upon a Xeon server CPU. >> It >> >> is marked at $32.49 at Newegg. It has 12 cores and 24 threads and >> has a >> >> good benchmark score. >> >> > https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+Silver+4116+%40+2.10GHz=3179 >> >> https://www.newegg.com/p/274-000A-007K2?Description=Xeon >> >> In the future at some point I would like to build something with 20 >> plus >> >> or minus cores and 40 threads more or less for Proxmox. This would >> be >> >> over kills because I only need 1 or 2 VMs active at one time... >> maybe 3 >> >> in an extreme situation. >> >> This 12 core/24 thread CPU with 64Gb of Ram and a 1Tb SSD would >> really >> >> be more resources than I would ever need. Off the top of my head >> this >> >> means I might be able to build a decent Proxmox server for $500 - >> $600. >> >> I do not need fancy video except for one VM that might be running >> Win 10 >> >> or 11... I assume a server grade CPU would handle Win 10 and 11? >> >> Am I on the right track? >> >> Thank You For Your Feedback!! >> >> Keith >> >> --- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > > > Links: > -- > [1] http://cpubenchmark.net > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe,
working on drive with a kernel panic error
Hello, I am trying to follow this procedure on a Debian 9 machine that had a kernel panic error and how sort of works, but doesn't shut down properly. I get this output for the command: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-kernel-panic -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4241184 Aug 11 2019 vmlinuz-4.9.0-9-amd64walrus@debian:/boot$ ls -lrth /boot/total 129M-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1M May 7 2018 vmlinuz-4.9.0-6-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1M May 7 2018 System.map-4.9.0-6-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183K May 7 2018 config-4.9.0-6-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19M Apr 18 2019 initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1M Aug 11 2019 vmlinuz-4.9.0-9-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1M Aug 11 2019 System.map-4.9.0-9-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183K Aug 11 2019 config-4.9.0-9-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19M Aug 26 2020 initrd.img-4.9.0-9-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1M Dec 17 2020 vmlinuz-4.9.0-14-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1M Dec 17 2020 System.map-4.9.0-14-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183K Dec 17 2020 config-4.9.0-14-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19M Feb 11 2021 initrd.img-4.9.0-14-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1M Mar 7 2021 vmlinuz-4.9.0-15-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1M Mar 7 2021 System.map-4.9.0-15-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183K Mar 7 2021 config-4.9.0-15-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19M Mar 21 2021 initrd.img-4.9.0-15-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1M Jun 20 2021 vmlinuz-4.9.0-16-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1M Jun 20 2021 System.map-4.9.0-16-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183K Jun 20 2021 config-4.9.0-16-amd64-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19M Jun 26 2021 initrd.img-4.9.0-16-amd64drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K Jun 26 2021 grubwalrus@debian:/boot$ uname -r4.9.0-16-amd64 trying to make sense of this part in the procedure: Step 3.2: Next, run the dracut command: #dracut -f Any ideas?thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop
hello, There is some truth to the subject matter.I will leave it up to each of you to decide.https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/ageing/replacement-cover.pdf Social scientist now know you need at least 2.0 kids per couple in order for a civilization to survive. No country in Europe is having more than that per couple. In some cases less than 1.0 child per couple. For an empire to survive in one politician's words you need "blood and treasure." The American Empire is grasping at anything to survive. BRICS will have currency backed by gold. Bankers love a healthy ROI. Putin has a PHD in economics. Fear does strange things to a person. Love of money does as well. Europe survived after the fall of the Roman Empire using the theory of Subsidiarity. On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 08:04:12 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: About 15 years ago while living in Tucson, I made a posted about H1B and Gabrielle Giffords to the Tucson Free Unix list (now shutdown). As I recall she wanted to expand the H1B system. I was met with hostility and one guy went as far as to ask if I were afraid of more qualified people. Yikes!! Talk about cutting your own throat. These systems only make politicians rich and it is at the expense of all of us. What good does it do to hire offshore for pennies on the dollar? Some or most of that money goes back home and one more American is left under employed because they end up doing something like level 1 at GoDaddy. AND that American is less likely to afford what that H1B visa company is making. These programs hurt our economy. I had a guy make a comment on my YouTube channel that he has responded to numerous job post and does not even get a response. I assume most of the problem is the slowing economy (also Gov. created). I lived through super high inflation in the 70's and 80's. It effected me and unbeknown to me it became baggage. By the way, these types of posts are a product of poor leadership at all levels of Government. I've been on this list since 1999 or so. Everyone on this list has helped me a lot. I've had tons of questions along the way and have received lots of help - thank you all. I think this list can offer more. As a group we have needed change for several decades. Lots of folk are taking about the pending extreme downturn in the economy, supply chain issues, food shortage, etc. Some say we are headed for a great depression economy. While this list started as a technical support group and still is, maybe it is time to look at helping people become self trained and help them learn how to help themselves. I'm 67 and have seen a lot. I spend 4 years in the USMC, 9 years as a cop and lost two colleagues in the line of duty, I created myself a job by becoming a freelance PHP developer. Maybe that is why I am such a big mouth. Went toe to toe with John McCain and he called me a jerk. Made the news. I'm at a point where I think I have seen enough to have some idea what is going on. I was hoping by this point in my life I would be watching the grass grow, spend some time working on my old RV, and enjoy owning a classic muscle car. In stead I am dealing with double digit inflation for the second time in my life. I want to effect change. I am increasingly becoming aware that is what my YouTube channel is all about. It breaks my heart to see what is coming to America for you young men and women. Keith On 2023-07-17 04:21, Samuel Carter via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I’m with Der.Hans. > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 11:04 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > >> There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and >> arithmetic. Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for >> my current role, my value is only determined by the lack of Eric >> Snowden type of security breaches. >> >> If you want to hear judgements, I can digress on how >> government-backed, guaranteed, student loans inflated the price of >> education, and how the government should have never gotten involved >> with it and they shouldn't have nationalized it, but I won't :) >> Funny you should mention the competition. I had a friend from >> Singapore who had to go to England for her Undergraduate degree and >> then to the US for her Graduate because she couldn't get into >> college in Singapore. >> >> I have been a staunch supporter of the college system in this >> country, but I work with people who have no college, and some of us >> have Graduate degrees. For the field I'm in, one could self-learn >> and avoid college. And as I retrain for my next career, I have also >> returned to college and am becoming very disillusioned. The >> curriculum is teaching tool sets rather than concepts, and at this >> point, I can pick up some vendor training and certifications for >> free and some 4-day industry workshops for the same price as a 3 >> semester hour class. So why
A very-very heart felt thank you to those folks...
Hello, I want to thank all those who helped me troubleshoot the two Debian
machines I had issues with.I had one Debian 9 machine with kernel panic and
another Debian 11 that won't boot properly since I tried to install a
mysql-workbench application onto it.
I am writing this to you on the old Debian 9 machine which is booting and
running enough for me to loginand collect important data from. I am amazed I
can even get this to run. I think I will leave this HD in this old HP 840
laptop and see how long it lasts. I did run a apt update on this but you know
the support ended on it.
Amazing progress!!!
In the spirit of all you programmers out there this is for you and again those
people who helped me yesterday:
Integer myInf = Integer.MAX_VALUE;
for(int ix =0; ix < myInf; ++ix) { System.out.println("Thank you!");}
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Re: kernel panic on a debian machine...
thank you. On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:51:09 AM MST, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: Kernel panics are usually hardware related in my experience, I'd unplug all unnecessary usb and pci cards, then iso-image boot to run memtest86 on it. If you can see the logs of the panic or leading up to it, see what component or driver is complaining, but if nothing else after everything is removed, I'd suspect memory, maybe even power supply. Rarely see a cpu or mobo die unless it's got blown capacitors. If nothing else, boot clonezilla iso (I think it should have memtest86 too), or any other linux boot cd and copy/clone the disk data that way to a target disk (ie usb), mounting your drive volumes as needed. About as painless as it's going to get short of connecting the disk in another working linux system via usb carrier or direct. -mb On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:00 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hello, About a year ago I had for the first time a kernel panic error on my Debian 10 machine. I didn't know how or have time to try and recover the OS. I chose to install a Debian 11 on a new drive. That one is giving me some trouble as well now.Is there a poor mans way to recover the data or recover the OS? Just pointme in the right direction.thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
kernel panic on a debian machine...
Hello, About a year ago I had for the first time a kernel panic error on my Debian 10 machine. I didn't know how or have time to try and recover the OS. I chose to install a Debian 11 on a new drive. That one is giving me some trouble as well now.Is there a poor mans way to recover the data or recover the OS? Just pointme in the right direction.thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Slow Windows Box
Event Viewer will show application issues On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 02:29:26 PM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, This is mostly off topic given this is a Linux List. I have two separate work areas in my house. I have my home office which is doing well. I am using my Linux Ubuntu desktop to send this email. My Linux machine is hardwired. This is my main box. I also have a Win 10 Pro laptop that I use to make and edit YouTube videos. My editing software only works on Win and MAC. This laptop is connected via WIFI. No Problems. The O/S loads reasonably fast. My video editing software loads reasonably fast and the rendering process takes a bit but not too bad. This is a 6 year old HP - nothing fancy and it works. My wife's office in another spare bedroom and she has a Dell mini-tower Win 10 ... I want to say pro as well. Here is where I need help. My wife's dell is very slow and has trouble with loading Firefox and it takes a while to load YouTube videos. Even windows takes a while to load which make me think it is a local problem (the Dell box). I am reaching out because I do not know how to troubleshoot this issue. Any help much appreciated. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Phoenix is emerging as the city of the future
may I ...https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Cities-Dummies-Computer-Tech/dp/111967994X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=smart+cities+for+dummies=8-1 On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 04:00:44 PM MST, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> I've only lived in AZ except for a stint in the military. I've only had >> a couple good managers. Most others where in over their head. Most often my experience too, particularly in AZ. Entrenched/clueless leadership often enough, then combine entrenched vendors (think cisco, microsoft, oracle), fight club between internal silos of organizations, lack of strong technical leadership, lack of strong technical anyone, people run too thin, people that simple hate their lives and thus everything suffers, everything in between, but there's any number of reasons I find when doing these gigs. Start overlapping them like a weird 3d venn diagram, and the problems stack like mad. Observing enough different industries from IT and management perspectives, one can apply dysfunctions like stereotypes if you've sampled enough of them, and after 24 or so years in over 120 unique organizations/agencies tinkering with their networks that run everything, it's not hard to do with some accuracy. >> If AZ is so bad then why is all this tech choosing AZ? Supposedly cheap resources in 2001-ish, but that certainly isn't the case anymore. Access to "cheap" labor never really works out either unless just for call centers or manufacturing, otherwise AZ pay isn't that significantly worse than Cali anymore. There have been a lot of subsidies with local muni's over the years, such as the Price area, but the pull isn't as strong as was expected, and still really hasn't. I've worked in or know of much of the larger IT-based things like the data centers and semiconductor vendors down there, but nothing exciting, and usually just corporate people, call centers, or manufacturing of various levels that wanted cheap labor for lesser jobs. You go to AMEX's corporate up on 101, it's like walking into an office in Bangalore. That's their solution to dealing with Arizonans, but hey, they'll still take those tax subsidies from here! >> Yes water is an issue. And when I think of data centers in Phoenix >> during the summer... Most major businesses (and government) tend to build small data centers in their own buildings too, often not as complicated as the mega data centers we have a plenty here, but still often have the same water, cooling, power, etc issues here. That's already gotten nasty now with this totally fictitious climate change occurring. AZ's major selling point is again environments due to no natural disasters, and access to Palo Verde nuke power (and technically SRP, but that's drying up...), but with extreme heat now occurring everywhere, power grids are already struggling. Texas power grids are on a verge of collapse right now with power through the roof, so I wouldn't want to be in Austin either... >> I personally would never want to work W2 with a boss and coworkers.. >> Being self employed comes with it's challenges as well. Me neither unless I found something extremely technical and compelling, and that just isn't really here in AZ, nor do I feel ever. Just last week, a friend more or less offered me a walk-in W2 job with a local hospital company, and could only think of the horror of ever actually working for a hospital company. Supposedly cake work at nominal salary and low stress, but I have consulted and implemented changes in a LOT of hospitals and medical orgs over the years to know better, and always the most absolutely horribly run places ANYWHERE in the US across at least half a dozen different states including here. Plus if you're not directly medical staff, you aren't sh!t, and what they do have for IT is always the lowest paid and/or worst technical people, and I never want to be that guy just riding it out for a check. Newp, not that desperate for work, yet, but suppose I've been in worse places too. -mb On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 1:52 PM wrote: I've only lived in AZ except for a stint in the military. I've only had a couple good managers. Most others where in over their head. If AZ is so bad then why is all this tech choosing AZ? Yes water is an issue. And when I think of data centers in Phoenix during the summer... machines pumping out heat and A/C units needed to cool them down... all that electricity. I understand there is some movement to solar A/C units, which on it's face seems like a solution... In Chandler there is the Price Road Corridor which is set aside for tech companies. I'd estimate half the area is vacant. The tax payers votes to give tax dollars to companies willing to relocate workers here. The vote took place may 15 years ago so maybe the money is all used up. I'm a freelance PHP developer so I called the City and asked about the little guy. Was not on their radar. With all
https://simple-help.com/guides
https://simple-help.com/guides Hello, Has anyone heard of this system and if so what do you think of it?thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: RedHat Summit / AnsibleFest 2023
I wish!Is there going to be a Youtube on this afterwards? On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 05:09:59 PM MST, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote: Is Anyone from this distro planning to attend? It's in Boston, in May. Let me know and we can meet up! Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Stammtisch tonight, help w/ coverage?
Is this virtual or on site? On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:59:44 PM MST, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote: moin moin, Stammtisch is tonight at 19:00. https://lufthans.bigbluemeeting.com/plu-yuk-7xx I have a kidling activity that will run until at least 18:30, so I will probably be late. Can someone show up on time and make sure we've got someone in the room? ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer." # -- Albert Einstein --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: https://www.zerotier.com/
we just started using it at work.thanks for the confirmation we are on a good path On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 12:40:25 PM MST, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: I love zerotier, I've used it for a good 10 years or so now, and recommend it to everyone I know including customers. It's great as an always on vpn connection betweens hosts and servers. Funny, I was just literally talking to a customer a half-hour ago thanking me again for telling them about zerotier. -mb On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:19 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://www.zerotier.com/ Has anyone heard of this and know if it works well?thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
https://www.zerotier.com/
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Re: converting CentOS to Rocky Linux
thank you. I will give it a shot later.Greg On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 02:09:02 PM MST, Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss wrote: Rocky has a solid guide depending on your usage. https://docs.rockylinux.org/guides/migrate2rocky/ Best Regards, -Thomas Scott On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 3:45 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hello, Has anyone tried to covnert a CentOS to Rocky Linux yet?Do you have any advise for doing this? My CentOS is showingI am no longer registered and cannot do updates. I work associatesaid he heard there was a way. I am looking right now.thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
converting CentOS to Rocky Linux
Hello, Has anyone tried to covnert a CentOS to Rocky Linux yet?Do you have any advise for doing this? My CentOS is showingI am no longer registered and cannot do updates. I work associatesaid he heard there was a way. I am looking right now.thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
linux shell programming book price dropped a little...
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Re: samsung premature wear on nvme
Danke! On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 04:33:54 PM MST, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: S.M.A.R.T. is hardware level data standard used in disks since the 90's, so yes. Most drives will give you some level of "use" data, it's had far more quantifiable accuracy with nand vs. spinning things using cheap mechanical bearings and other moving parts that fail prematurely. -mb On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 3:30 PM greg zegan wrote: Hello, A quick check on that says this will work on other medium such as sda drives. Is that correct?thanks,Greg On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 03:12:23 PM MST, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: You can get this via smart data output like smartctl under linux, or samsung's magician tool in windoze. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106678/how-to-check-the-life-left-in-ssd-or-the-mediums-wear-level I've got a pair of 980 pro's I've used for a few years now doing full raid1/crypto/lvm stack atop them, still only show 2-3% usage on with this, so not sure what they screwed up so bad in the 990's. -mb On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 2:14 PM Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss wrote: Michael, do you know if there is any Linux utility that can report the SSD wear levels?(I just bought a couple of 2TB Samsung 970 SSD's, and am curious if these might also be affected.) On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 12:48 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/samsung-releases-firmware-fix-for-rapid-failure-issue-in-new-990-pro-ssds/ This is pretty sad, I've been a fan of samsung since my first few generations of ssd's all died quickly from crucial/micron and adata, never really looked back with samsung's wear leveling tech. There were firmware issues with the 980 and linux, and now this, perhaps time to move on. -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: samsung premature wear on nvme
Hello, A quick check on that says this will work on other medium such as sda drives. Is that correct?thanks,Greg On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 03:12:23 PM MST, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: You can get this via smart data output like smartctl under linux, or samsung's magician tool in windoze. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106678/how-to-check-the-life-left-in-ssd-or-the-mediums-wear-level I've got a pair of 980 pro's I've used for a few years now doing full raid1/crypto/lvm stack atop them, still only show 2-3% usage on with this, so not sure what they screwed up so bad in the 990's. -mb On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 2:14 PM Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss wrote: Michael, do you know if there is any Linux utility that can report the SSD wear levels?(I just bought a couple of 2TB Samsung 970 SSD's, and am curious if these might also be affected.) On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 12:48 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/samsung-releases-firmware-fix-for-rapid-failure-issue-in-new-990-pro-ssds/ This is pretty sad, I've been a fan of samsung since my first few generations of ssd's all died quickly from crucial/micron and adata, never really looked back with samsung's wear leveling tech. There were firmware issues with the 980 and linux, and now this, perhaps time to move on. -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to restart ssh?
he is on target:How to Fix "No Route to Host" Connection Error on Linux - Make Tech Easier | | | | | | | | | | | How to Fix "No Route to Host" Connection Error on Linux - Make Tech Easier John Perkins "No route to host" is one common error you might face in Linux. Here are the ways to diagnose and fix the "no ro... | | | On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 11:51:02 AM MST, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: joe--- via PLUG-discuss said on Mon, 06 Feb 2023 17:05:57 -0700 >When I try to ssh or rsync from one of my >linux units to another, most of the time it >works, but sometimes I get this error message: > >ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.56 port 22: No route to host What does ping say immediately after you get that message? Maybe ssh is just telling the truth. I've had intermittent Internet connections before. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
IaC references...
Hello, Does anyone know if this is a good book for Ansible? Infrastructure as Code: Dynamic Systems for the Cloud Age 2nd Edition by Kief Morris thanks,Greg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Chat GPT Is About To Take Hundreds Of Thousands Of Jobs In 2023
Singularity!That is the logical conclusion of liberalism which capitalism descends from. On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 06:27:47 AM MST, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote: They also said video would kill the radio star ... and that newspapers would ruin our social culture. 路♂️ Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 11:22 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I watch this guy regularly. He is saying that AI is about to start replacing people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv_9Ya_7f-g I'm always interested in your comments. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: snort
having similar problems with my CentOS 8.did the usual apt-get install snort not work? On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 06:18:22 PM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: my frustration level is maxed out! does anyone know how to install snort on to debian unstable? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: tryhackme
Hello, Where did you get the info on this?Sounds interesting.thanks,Greg On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 07:58:21 AM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'm doing tryhackme and am stuck. I can't figure out how to get the following page: Can I have a little help?--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location
Phenomenon: The Lost Archives | Season 1 | Episode 8 | Monopoly Men | Dean Stockwell | | | | | | | | | | | Phenomenon: The Lost Archives | Season 1 | Episode 8 | Monopoly Men | De... | | | On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 03:11:37 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2023-01-01 02:24, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > techli...@phpcoderusa.com said on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 18:40:37 -0700 > >> Steve, >> >> Why is our education system what it is today? > > 3 decades of cheaping out public education. Constant drumbeat of > anti-teacher assertions. Drugs and crime you'd expect from a lot > of (but not all) children of uneducated parents. > Who caused that? Who is in charge of our education system? >> >> Who moved all the businesses off shore? > > The corporations. I say it the U.S. Legislature though faulty policy. > >> >> Why are illegal aliens able to take jobs away from American Citizens? > > Because we de-facto permit it. Who caused this? I say it the U.S. Legislature. In 1986 Ronald Reagan gave amnesty with the agreement there would be a fence. Amnesty was the wrong solution and not building the fence was a broken promise that has exasperates the problem. It has been said the left wants illegal aliens as voters and the right wants cheap labor. > >> Who is responsible for our immigration? > > The government. So why has somewhere abound 5 million illegals aliens entered our country this year? Policy. In D.C. > >> Who is responsible for H1B visas? > > Corporations pay politicians to get cheap labor, so the politicians > allow obscene numbers of H1-Bs, while older technologists find new work > as Walmart greeters. It's disgusting. I agree. We are back to the U.S. Legislature. I made friend with a guy at Walmart that was a COBOL programmer until they off-shored his job. Sad story. > >> >> How many trust fund babies are there in America? > > According to > https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2021/10/27/3-common-misconceptions-about-trust-fund-kids/?sh=71909c447b64 > , 1.3% of the population receives money in a trust fund, so that would > be about 4.3 million Americans. However, the article makes it clear > that only some of them receive big bucks. The only problem I see here is these people are being cheated out of the struggle of becoming productive and making a living, > > I was really speaking of the ultra-rich. According to > https://www.thekickassentrepreneur.com/millionaires-in-america/#:~:text=And%20about%2034%2C507%20households%20have,or%20100%20million%20net%20worth. > there are 34,507 households with a net worth of $100 million. > >> Does every person need to graduate college? > > No. > Agreed however this generation is being told they need to complete a BA or BS. >> I have been reading and hearing the trades are going unfilled, why is >> that? > > According to my next door neighbor who is a plumbing contractor, "kids > these days" don't want to get their hands dirty with physical work. And > he was offering $20/hr to start in Orlando, Florida, which is pretty > good. And as soon as they got the hang of it, he'd give them $25. But > nobody bit. I'm hearing the same stories. Could the root of this be in D.C.? Everyone was sent checks and some were given large unemployment payments. Some or maybe many found it unnecessary to work. > >> >> Why does it cost upwards of $10k a semester to go to a AZ state >> university? > > Because college in most cases is a racket and is class warfare. > Again I point to D.C. They fund it and the universities have found they can over charge. If it is class warfare who is causing this class warfare? > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location
Who was it that created the federal reserve bank? Those are responsible people Find out what ideology fueled it and you have the answer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > Steve, > > Why is our education system what it is today? > > Who moved all the businesses off shore? > > Why are illegal aliens able to take jobs away from American Citizens? > > Who is responsible for our immigration? > > Who is responsible for H1B visas? > > How many trust fund babies are there in America? > > Does every person need to graduate college? > > I have been reading and hearing the trades are going unfilled, why is that? > > Why does it cost upwards of $10k a semester to go to a AZ state university? > > Keith > > > >> On 2022-12-31 15:48, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> techli...@phpcoderusa.com said on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:54:21 -0700 >>> Here are my thoughts. Nothing is free.. had an econ prof that used to >>> say there are no free lunches... it might be free to you but someone >>> paid for it. >> True. But schooling for the citizenry is an investment. Educated people >> pay more taxes and use less welfare, WIC and food stamps. An educated >> citizenry means we can quickly ramp up production if a war or boycott >> cuts our supply of foreign goods. A lot of our social and political >> strife is due to the fact that a large swath of our citizenry is >> constantly running uphill financially, and they're getting tired. >>> I'm a high school dropout that dropped back in. >>> Life is not easy. Don't have money for school? Go to work for a >>> college or university that gives free tuition for their employees or >>> maybe you can be like me and join the military and get the GI Bill. >> We've been cheaping out K-12 for the last 3 or 4 decades. A huge >> portion of our young people are completely unprepared for either >> college or a modern job. We now have uneducated parents raising >> uneducated kids. What could *possibly* go wrong? >>> I'm glad our forefathers were willing to endure and did not quietly >>> quit. There are stories they were out in the freezing cold fighting >>> for our freedom while only having rags on their feet because some or >>> maybe many did no have shoes. Some lost their lives and some lost >>> their fortunes. >> And when they did that, I doubt they were fighting for future >> generations to work in our current sweatshops that aren't a lot better >> than the sweatshops of 1910. >> [snip] >>> I think as a society we have gotten soft. >> You know who's gotten soft? The trust fund babies. The Fortune 500 CEOs >> with their multimillion/year compensation. Those living on investments. >> Believe me, the guys who nailed the roof onto my house in the burning >> Florida sun are not soft. Nor are the homeless people who work 40 and >> still can't find housing, or those who get laid off through no fault of >> their own and are instantly homeless because the middle class is >> constantly on the ragged edge of financial ruin. >>> For me, in my youth, I was grateful for the minimum wage jobs I was >>> able to work at. >> Back then, a minimum wage job kept a roof over your head, and in many >> cases your company gave you health insurance. And back then it was easy >> to get a job exceeding the minimum wage. In a big city, you could find >> factory row, knock on every door, and come home with a job that night. >> A job whose only educational requirement was to be able to speak, read >> and write, if that. >>> My opinion is a job at McDonalds is not a career job and if you think >>> it is your selling yourself short. These are starter jobs and if one >>> does not like minimum wage then go build some skills. >> How? Today's construction trade pay is pulled down by the steady inflow >> of immigrants, legal and illegal. Today's sales jobs are minimum wage, >> so unless you're in the top 10 percent of sales people, that's where >> you stay. You could be a server in a high class restaurant if you can >> get the job, but you better stay young and good looking, especially if >> you're female. >>> If things become too east people will not rise to their potential. >> Tell that to the trust fund babies. >>> Again as a country we have become soft. >> But a lot harder than in the 60's and early 70's, when a guy with an IQ >> of 85 could get a factory job and feed his family. In the 60's, one of >> my buddies lived in a rich suburb, and his father paid for him and his >> brother to go to college. His father was a garbage collector. >> I'll say it again: Our nation needs to invest in its citizens' >> education if we don't want to become a third world country. >> SteveT >> Steve Litt >> Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change
Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location
CPSR - Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility | | | | | | | | | | | CPSR - Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility | | | CPSR - The Ten Commandments of Computer Ethics | | | | | | | | | | | CPSR - The Ten Commandments of Computer Ethics cjohnson Written by the Computer Ethics Institute | | | 9 and 10? On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 06:24:52 PM MST, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: reading this right now.https://liberalforum.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Liberal-Read-No-17_Empathy-as-a-Pillar-of-Liberalism.pdf Using my Debian Linux machine.;-)If you remember that csc200 course I took back in 98' and the question of : "If you could write a program that would put people out of work would you do so and why?" I can see the value in automation in the food business and elsewhere. I have this picture around the house of the planet Neptune with a quote: "In the long run, men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they might fail immediately, they had better aim at something high." That quote is from Walden, by Henry David Thoreau What are we aiming for? 2023 is about to kick off.Set you sights on what you want. On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 06:14:54 PM MST, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: This doesn't surprise me a bit. 30 years ago I worked in some fast food places and I saw the unreliability of many people who work there. The trend is toward more of the 'I don't have to work. Everybody owes me.' attitude. I saw something a couple of years ago about a fast food place that had robots making the burger. Somebody would put beef, lettuce, tomatoes, pickles, onions, ketchup, etc in the machine and wrapped burgers came out the other end. The technology hasn't had much success. But as it improves, it will get cheaper. Also with the push for a higher and higher minimum wage will increase demand for a burger making robot. The economics professor someone mentioned is right. Make something expensive and alternatives will become practical. Also robots don't spit in the food and post the video to social media. On 12/28/22 07:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > Thought you might find this interesting. > > https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/mcdonalds-unveils-first-automated-location-social-media-worried-will-cut-millions-jobs > > > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location
reading this right now.https://liberalforum.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Liberal-Read-No-17_Empathy-as-a-Pillar-of-Liberalism.pdf Using my Debian Linux machine.;-)If you remember that csc200 course I took back in 98' and the question of : "If you could write a program that would put people out of work would you do so and why?" I can see the value in automation in the food business and elsewhere. I have this picture around the house of the planet Neptune with a quote: "In the long run, men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they might fail immediately, they had better aim at something high." That quote is from Walden, by Henry David Thoreau What are we aiming for? 2023 is about to kick off.Set you sights on what you want. On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 06:14:54 PM MST, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: This doesn't surprise me a bit. 30 years ago I worked in some fast food places and I saw the unreliability of many people who work there. The trend is toward more of the 'I don't have to work. Everybody owes me.' attitude. I saw something a couple of years ago about a fast food place that had robots making the burger. Somebody would put beef, lettuce, tomatoes, pickles, onions, ketchup, etc in the machine and wrapped burgers came out the other end. The technology hasn't had much success. But as it improves, it will get cheaper. Also with the push for a higher and higher minimum wage will increase demand for a burger making robot. The economics professor someone mentioned is right. Make something expensive and alternatives will become practical. Also robots don't spit in the food and post the video to social media. On 12/28/22 07:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > Thought you might find this interesting. > > https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/mcdonalds-unveils-first-automated-location-social-media-worried-will-cut-millions-jobs > > > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Python project ideas
I concur.I am taking a short python course right now and would love to know how to prepare for interviews.what skills are needed to perform well on entry level, intermediate and advanced roles please? On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 02:20:10 PM MST, T. Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote: I don't really know what your question is or what you are trying to do, but I'll mention my immediate thoughts on what you wrote. Python is a very strong language and you can do A LOT with it. It is very popular in data science and for web applications via flask. It excels in writing abstracted code efficiently. It can be less terse than other languages but it is usually easy to follow. It is less good than other language for writing applications that are very demanding for performance or need to be especially snappy. The built-in data structures in python are very strong. The dictionary is incredibly useful. The list() is technically a linked list but is very stack-like. I don't know how they work exactly but there are built in optimizations so you don't have to think too much on if you are using a particular type of array. Obviously numpy is the most relevant module for arithmetic operations. There are VERY rare cases you might have a performance boost by using modules with more "correct" stack data structures. Pandas is a good package for SQL-like tables. And if you are familiar with writing SQL queries, consider using pandasql. It sounds like you plan on working with binary trees, I'm not sure what the best module is for your use case. There is a binarytree module. Hashlib is pretty much the only other module with data strutures I have used frequently. You aren't implementing something that will have enough data to warrant utilizing a spark (distributed computing) database. I have quite a few informative jupyter notebooks that might be useful. But they are on my desktop at home. You should directly email me in a couple days and maybe I can share some code/notes on data structures or data-science or web development topics. Zack z...@tzcrawford.com On 22/12/30 01:37PM, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Python UTF8 Treeview Project Feedback Request > > I want to move beyond classroom assignments and Exercism.org toy exercises > and start work on my own project. A major motivation is to have something > to show if I make it to an interview for a software curation and writing > job. > > This kind of view of a file tree is everywhere in Python documentation. It > would seem there is a utility, but I haven't been able to find it. > > /home/user/Projects/flask-tutorial > ├── flaskr/ > │ ├── __init__.py > │ ├── db.py > │ ├── schema.sql > │ ├── auth.py > │ ├── blog.py > │ ├── templates/ > │ │ ├── base.html > │ │ ├── auth/ > │ │ │ ├── login.html > │ │ │ └── register.html > │ │ └── blog/ > │ │ ├── create.html > │ │ ├── index.html > │ │ └── update.html > │ └── static/ > │ └── style.css > ├── tests/ > │ ├── conftest.py > │ ├── data.sql > │ ├── test_factory.py > │ ├── test_db.py > │ ├── test_auth.py > │ └── test_blog.py > ├── venv/ > ├── setup.py > └── MANIFEST.in > > (https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/2.2.x/tutorial/layout/ retrieved > 2022-12-16) > > What I have discovered is that writing your own program to make this kind > of ASCII representation of a file tree is a classic classroom assignment. > You write a simple general tree, you do recursion, you have to get the > output just right. It's not a bad little class assignment for a data > structures and algorithms second semester. > > So I'm thinking I can put the ASCII tree classroom assignment on steroids > and gold plate it. > > It would be nice to do a general implementation in C++, Rust, or Java, but > I'm spending a lot of time in Python at work. Since Python is pretty > friendly, I can probably produce a Python version with less effort than in > other languages. It might turn out to be a useful utility run from the > Python command or as a library, and it would then serve as a prototype for > an attempt in a more rigorous and generally applicable language. > > *LAYERS* > > The project will have Python CLI and library interfaces. For example, it > might take a parameters such as start=top-left or start=top-center > > Working from the output layer down, we have the layer which formats and > emits the file system as a pretty-printed UTF8 file. By way of gold > plating, the program could have front ends which pretty-print in HTML, > LibreOffice Writer, and PDF. Although it looks like ASCII representations > of file trees can be generated on the fly with a lexically ordered > depth-first traversal of the tree, there could be a tree structure and a > tree builder. Then a tree formatter gets the populated tree collection or > data structure. It walks the intermediate tree using a canned algorithm > provided as a parameter, the links/edges in the tree represent the tree's >
Re: Epson EcoTank printer
are you from Chicago? On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 09:58:19 PM MST, Daniel Stasinski via PLUG-discuss wrote: I saw this whole thread about an hour after Amazon dropped off my ET-3850 printer. Linux Mint detected it and all seems to be working fine. I had a ET-2750 for 3+ years and it too worked fine. The only issue I ever had with it was when printing multiple copies of a page, it would only print one copy, but that seems to have been resolved. Daniel P. Stasinski dan...@genericinbox.com ✞ Jesus Is King ✞ On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:35 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: Well if you got yours running then your doing good. Epson told me themselves they don’t make drivers now for Linux. The drivers they still have online are very old and out of date. I took my Epson printer back because I couldn’t get it to work with my fedora Linux. I finally went with the newest all-in-one brother printer with wide format. And works great and they will help anyone running Linux and the drivers are the most up to date. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, at 16:51, Nathan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:09:17 PM CST Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss > wrote: >> Brother supports Linux on all their printers. I have a all-in-one with fax >> and works great. Epson stopped supporting Linux 3 years ago. >> > > > You got anything to support this? In the past several years I have, very > happily, dumped my HP printers and replaced them with Epson EcoTank printers > and love them. > > So much so, that I just recently purchased their 16600 series for my wife's > Etsy business. They are fast, and flawless, as far as I can tell. > > We use all Fedora, if that makes a difference. > I will never again purchase anything but Epson. > > (one caveat, I use ethernet solely for my printers. I despise wifi) > > > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022, at 12:06, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> > Report on printer compatibility with Linux as experienced today. >> > >> > I won't bore everyone with all the details (but I will mention this >> > whole exercise took many hours of research, plus 2 trips to 3 different >> > stores, and the purchase and return of a printer that didn't do fax as I >> > wanted), but, I was in the market for a printer to replace my HP color >> > laser all-in-one. >> > >> > >> > Why would I replace a really nice HP Color LaserJet? Well, it >> > apparently decided that it wouldn't print well any more with non-HP >> > carts, and buying a full set of the silly things was in the neighborhood >> > of $300 or more, IIRC. (Oh, and the HP instant ink program, which >> > looked like a pretty good deal, is ONLY for inkjet printers!) >> > >> > >> > So, I figured I could spend $300 for genuine HP and HOPE it made the >> > printer happy, or punt and get a new printer. I went the latter route. >> > >> > >> > After 'much'-ish research, I decided I'd go for a Brother Color Laser >> > All-In-One (we require Fax, don't ask why ;-), since Brothers are >> > reputed to be excellently-supported on Linux. >> > >> > >> > Found the best price anywhere (the local Staples, believe it or not!) >> > and was about to plunk down my card to get it when I realized it was >> > going to be around $750 or so for the printer ($400-ish?) and genuine >> > Brother carts ($350-ish - sound similar to the HP prices? yeah.). >> > >> > >> > Woah! Ouch! Hey, I'm retired now, that's kinda a shock. Back up, >> > regroup, decide to try out the EcoTank idea, something I'd seriously >> > considered in the past. Picked an Epson (ET-4800, for like $269 at - >> > believe it or not - WalMart (I'm skipping the first purchase which I had >> > to return - no fax)), brought it home. >> > >> > >> > Interesting setup method. I downloaded the Epson printer setup app on >> > to my Android. All went very well until I tried to enter my WIFI >> > password. (First off, it doesn't look like the ET-4800 does 5GHz Wifi, >> > only 2.4, so I had to switch my phone over to the 2.4 side. This might >> > be an 'issue' with more than my 4800, so beware). I tried it 4 or 5 >> > times, never got it to work (and the app was very weird - in order to >> > re-enter your WiFI password you had to tell it you had done it, then it >> > would give you the 'enter password' dialog. Otherwise it was in an >> > infinite loop saying it couldn't see the printer yet, did you enter the >> > password correctly, did you do it right). >> > >> > Anyway, after the ink was 'charged', I went to the front panel and >> > connected to wifi (just fine, thank you very much, on the first try), >> > then suddenly the app saw it and all was well. >> > >> > My son has Apple stuff and was pretty much immediately able to print. >> > >> > I went to Epson and looked up Linux print support, downloaded the >> > appropriate (in my case) .deb file, installed it and the >> > epsonscan2-bundle, fired up my 'Printers' tool, and there it was. I >> > didn't even
Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location
Is this even possible?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11580467/Man-buys-router-thrift-store-finds-previous-owners-bank-account-credit-card-numbers.html On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 06:43:09 PM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2022-12-28 18:25, Nathan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 7:14:56 PM CST Keith Smith via > PLUG-discuss > wrote: > >> Unskilled labor is about to be hardcore unemployed and the jobs that >> will be available will be for those who have leaned some skills. >> > > > There is no such thing as unskilled labor, only exploitation of the > unprivileged. > I worked in a gas station in my youth. Back in the 70's gas stations were full service. I fix flats, pumped gas, checked oil, cleaned windshields, once in a while I would air up a tire. And there was that job at the bakery where I made donuts. Did not require a lot of skill. Seems very unskilled. > >> I'm thinking at some point in the future I will be replaced by a >> machine. I am a programmer. The world will be ruled by the >> engineers. >> > > Engineers will not work if they are not paid, Not sure anyone is suggesting they work for free. I assume they will be highly paid as they are today. > they have no power unless they > work together. The elite/rich/bourgeois/1% will rule so long as they > own our > politicians and the exploited working class continues to worship their > masters > like Musk. I had no idea Musk was an elitist. > We are too far down the rabbit hole of Stockholm syndrome for the > working class to ever achieve anything. > > We need a revolution. Be careful what you wish for. > Of course, let them automate everything. I welcome it. > When they eliminate all jobs and replace people with machines, let them > sell > cheese burgers to the robots. > Could create an interesting situation. > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Lazarus
Very cool.Downloaded and will install later.Has anyone done any programming in Fortran of any kind?Any good tutorials? On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 05:18:55 PM MST, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: > On Dec 25, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > According to https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ Lazarus is a Delphi compatible > cross-platform IDE for Rapid Application Development. It has variety of > components ready for use and a graphical form designer to easily create > complex graphical user interfaces. > There are two popular Delphi clones: Lazarus and FreePascal. I haven’t worked with either of them, but from what I can tell, Lazarus is a little closer to what Delphi is. FP implements a lot of innovative language features that a lot of us wish would be adopted in Delphi. Also, I think Lazarus includes a basic IDE, but FP is just a complier. VS Code is becoming a universal IDE for many rogue languages like these. One of the greatest features of Delphi is its backward compatibility. ou can take a program written for the earliest versions of Delphi and get it working with relatively little effort on the latest versions of Delphi. One of the greatest problems Delphi has is … it’s backward compatibility. Microsoft never paid much attention to the need for each successive version of C#, Visual Studio, or even the .NET framework to be 100% backward compatible the way Delphi is (with a few notable exceptions during Delphi's evolution). So C#, Java, and even FreePascal have lots of cool language features added to them over the years that the Delphi world is still eagerly waiting to see. Eg: case statements that use strings as the discrminant. Delphi only lets you use ordinal numbers. Most other contemporary languages let you use strings as well. Another is a simpler way of expressing closures and anonymous methods as parametrs and inline expressions. Interestingly, the TMS WebCore framework uses a slightly enhanced version of the language to help simplify the use of the asynchronous nature of web interfaces. It’s also missing some of the latest language features that have no real impact on the language (eg, inline variable declarations). TMS components and libraries do support Lazarus, and some support FreePascal. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: 4-year Programing and Analytics degree from Mesa CC
I took discrete math too.I agree.I keep wanting to re-visit that book.Does anyone know about the card game called "Set"?How to play Set | | | | | | | | | | | How to play Set | | | On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 03:09:03 PM MST, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: The biggest difference I find between people who have been to college and those who have not (ie, self-taught) is their breadth of knowledge. There are various required classes in a college program that are designed to be “survey” classes that present an entire landscape of approaches to different topics. And there are several such classes required for the same reason. Technically speaking, I was a Math major, and I was required to have a bunch of core math courses. Then there was a core of computer-related courses. Then there were a lot of electives I could take based on my interets. When I was applying for graduation (BS), my advisor looked over my studies and remarked at how broad my interests were. He counted nine (9) different computer-related fields, and said most students only got exposure to 4 or 5. I just followed my interests, while a lot of others followed what their advisors told them to take. I can’t say one is better than the other, but I’ve certainly met lots of devs who have what I considered to be extremely deep and narrow understanding of various programming topics at just the BS level. As a programmer, math has been a constant thread in most of my work, but it has all been fairly simple math (if you want to call it that). One quite innocuous (and required) class that I took was MAT243 Discrete Math Structures. It was all about counting problems. There was only one guy who taught it and he had the personality of a wet dish rag. Nobody really liked it. The material itself was quite boring, to say the least. However, it turns out that this one class probably has played the most central role of all math classes I took in school. Most of the rest of the core math classes (like calculus and linear algebra) have had zero impact on anything. One class i wish I would have taken is Set Theory, because SQL is based on that, but back in the 70’s, SQL was barely even a thing yet. Now, things could have been different, because the jobs I got were a result of searching for work that interested me. I actively avoided anything dealing with heavy-duty math topics that got into the realm of calculus, numerical analysis, and hard-core linear algebra. I loved trig for some reason, and I used some basic linear algebra once when I did some stuff involving image analysis and manipulation, although that involved understading and applying a lot of existing material rather than having to write code from scratch. As it happens, I’ve done a lot of work in areas that leveraged my studies in the world of Compiler Construction, building lexers and parsers and similar stuff, although most folks may never run into that. I’ve always enjoyed working with lingusitic and language-related problems. The point is, I’ve worked with many self-taught devs who had a lot of very detailed knowledge of the subject. But what they lacked was breadth. When your knowledge foundation is built on narrow topics picked up over time based on choices you’ve made yourself or what your employer has made for you, it’s not common to “survey the landscape” in the same way that you get in a typical college curriculum. And that has often been important to me in being able to find alternate approaches to solving a problem. I’m not about to say that having classes in humanities and social sciences is helpful to programmers overall, but someone who wants to get into Management might find them quite helpful at some point. I was a Math major, and yet I’ve never used Calculus and things built on that, although from time to time I’ve wished I had a little more so i can play around in the arena of things that let you analyze and alter sound profiles. But so much of that has been covered by others that you can just search around and grab a library to do what you need, so it’s not a great loss. But reading the theory behind a lot of thee algorithms is hard for me to follow. One of the biggest areas where I've observed this to be relevant, and will probably never be addressed, is in the web world involving certain types of web design. User-facing stuff lives in the world of Graphic Arts, while back-end support (ie, database stuff) is more classic programming stuff. There are lots of schools that teach UX/UI design from an “art history” perspective that’s targeted at artists. These people often must deal with some kind of back-end DB, and frequently need a middle-tier to apply a lot of security and filtering as well. These folks are NOT “programmers” although more and more javascript is being employed on UIs today. So we end up with people who have virtually no classic traiing in “programming” or “math”
Re: BASH textbook for kids
I was just as surprised because I picked up a copy for about $10 before the pandemic. Now everything is crazy high priced.Even a dozen eggs at an Aldi store in my home town area back in Illinois was .49c before the election of 2020. So that other site offers a better price now, but if you keep an eye on it maybe it will come back down. Very good book on Bash. On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 06:03:52 AM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: they want over $200 for a paperback book? On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 2:44 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: What about this book for a starter:https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Shell-Script-Programming-Meadors/dp/0619159200/ref=sr_1_1?crid=17G30RXKOVSVK=linux+shell+script+programming+book=1671781328=linux+shell+sc%2Caps%2C153=8-1 try and find it on abebooks.com for better price9780619159207 - AbeBooks | | | | $251.83 | | | | | | | 9780619159207 - AbeBooks Linux Shell Script Programming by Meadors, Todd and a great selection of related books, art and collectibles ava... | | | On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 12:10:05 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: That would have been the early 80's. When BASIC was not owned by Microsoft, when it was spelled BASIC for whatever compiler you used, and it had line numbers, and GOTOs. I started programming in a gifted program with a dumb impact printing terminal with an acoustic coupler you stuck a phone handset into to network over the public switched telephone network after I got into a gifted student's class in 5th or 6th grade. I didn't get a CS major in college because you had to travel between central Kansas liberal arts colleges for classes and I didn't have a car, so I majored in math instead, and never have broken into the software or IT world, really. But now I'm getting close. In those days you started with Logo or Turtle, or maybe BASIC, and then started seriously studying programming with Pascal, then you learned C and later complained that they didn't put you on a Unix machine working with C starting in CS105. We had no idea how awful things were compared to what would come. Trent On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:51 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: trent shipley via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 22 Dec 2022 07:26:18 -0700 >Python is a great first language, and there is no shortage of beginning >Python books aimed at young beginners. I've never read a juvenalia >programming book, except maybe pre-Visual Basic BASIC with the line >numbers and goto-s, In the 21st century, anyone who teaches a child goto-s, or even fails to strongly criticize them to the child, should be shot at dawn. The only tolerable uses for goto are: 1) Assembly language, but who uses that today? And modern assemblers have JSR (Jump to Subroutine) and RET (Return from subroutine), so even that is questionable. 2) Jump to an abort subroutine, but even this is ill advised. 3) Break out of a multiply nested loop, but it's much better to construct each loop to do the right thing. I haven't used a goto since maybe 1992 (assembler), and I'm proud of that. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: BASH textbook for kids
What about this book for a starter:https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Shell-Script-Programming-Meadors/dp/0619159200/ref=sr_1_1?crid=17G30RXKOVSVK=linux+shell+script+programming+book=1671781328=linux+shell+sc%2Caps%2C153=8-1 try and find it on abebooks.com for better price9780619159207 - AbeBooks | | | | $251.83 | | | | | | | 9780619159207 - AbeBooks Linux Shell Script Programming by Meadors, Todd and a great selection of related books, art and collectibles ava... | | | On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 12:10:05 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: That would have been the early 80's. When BASIC was not owned by Microsoft, when it was spelled BASIC for whatever compiler you used, and it had line numbers, and GOTOs. I started programming in a gifted program with a dumb impact printing terminal with an acoustic coupler you stuck a phone handset into to network over the public switched telephone network after I got into a gifted student's class in 5th or 6th grade. I didn't get a CS major in college because you had to travel between central Kansas liberal arts colleges for classes and I didn't have a car, so I majored in math instead, and never have broken into the software or IT world, really. But now I'm getting close. In those days you started with Logo or Turtle, or maybe BASIC, and then started seriously studying programming with Pascal, then you learned C and later complained that they didn't put you on a Unix machine working with C starting in CS105. We had no idea how awful things were compared to what would come. Trent On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:51 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: trent shipley via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 22 Dec 2022 07:26:18 -0700 >Python is a great first language, and there is no shortage of beginning >Python books aimed at young beginners. I've never read a juvenalia >programming book, except maybe pre-Visual Basic BASIC with the line >numbers and goto-s, In the 21st century, anyone who teaches a child goto-s, or even fails to strongly criticize them to the child, should be shot at dawn. The only tolerable uses for goto are: 1) Assembly language, but who uses that today? And modern assemblers have JSR (Jump to Subroutine) and RET (Return from subroutine), so even that is questionable. 2) Jump to an abort subroutine, but even this is ill advised. 3) Break out of a multiply nested loop, but it's much better to construct each loop to do the right thing. I haven't used a goto since maybe 1992 (assembler), and I'm proud of that. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: BASH textbook for kids
https://www.zybooks.com/catalog/programming-in-python-3/ On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 03:34:14 PM MST, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote: Probably my favorite little tutorial on python is a byte of python https://python.swaroopch.com/ Though I do wish we had a good tutorial that taught good programming behaviors that wasn't ultra-specific to a task. On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:31 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://pythoninstitute.org/study-resources On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 02:06:46 PM MST, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://edube.org/learn/pe-1/earn-pcep-certification-8 On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 01:07:22 PM MST, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote: Python and many other things (but not Bash) here: https://www.w3schools.com/Bash: - https://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ - https://linuxconfig.org/bash-scripting-tutorial-for-beginners - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXhiZeXZVWc JD-- | | J.D AUSTINTWIN GECKOS TECHNOLOGY SERVICES LLC Open Technology Specialist P.O. Box 2487 Apache Junction, Az 85117 Web: www.twingeckos.com Work: 480.400.5129 or 480-269-4335Fax: 602.649.1791 Cell: 480-288-8195 | On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:58 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: Does anyone know of a good resource that teaches kids BASH or PYTHON? I gots myself a 24 year old young lady who I'd like to get a book for. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: BASH textbook for kids
https://pythoninstitute.org/study-resources On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 02:06:46 PM MST, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://edube.org/learn/pe-1/earn-pcep-certification-8 On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 01:07:22 PM MST, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote: Python and many other things (but not Bash) here: https://www.w3schools.com/Bash: - https://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ - https://linuxconfig.org/bash-scripting-tutorial-for-beginners - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXhiZeXZVWc JD-- | | J.D AUSTINTWIN GECKOS TECHNOLOGY SERVICES LLC Open Technology Specialist P.O. Box 2487 Apache Junction, Az 85117 Web: www.twingeckos.com Work: 480.400.5129 or 480-269-4335Fax: 602.649.1791 Cell: 480-288-8195 | On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:58 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: Does anyone know of a good resource that teaches kids BASH or PYTHON? I gots myself a 24 year old young lady who I'd like to get a book for. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: BASH textbook for kids
https://edube.org/learn/pe-1/earn-pcep-certification-8 On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 01:07:22 PM MST, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote: Python and many other things (but not Bash) here: https://www.w3schools.com/Bash: - https://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ - https://linuxconfig.org/bash-scripting-tutorial-for-beginners - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXhiZeXZVWc JD-- | | J.D AUSTINTWIN GECKOS TECHNOLOGY SERVICES LLC Open Technology Specialist P.O. Box 2487 Apache Junction, Az 85117 Web: www.twingeckos.com Work: 480.400.5129 or 480-269-4335Fax: 602.649.1791 Cell: 480-288-8195 | On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:58 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: Does anyone know of a good resource that teaches kids BASH or PYTHON? I gots myself a 24 year old young lady who I'd like to get a book for. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sudo cd... command not found?
Hello, Is this an ongoing problem or only happening right now?Did you modify any files in your profile to add such things as aliases?If this is happening right now just close the current shell and launch another one and try that exercise again. On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 08:41:27 PM MST, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: Try. Sudo chdir Cd is builtin to the shell On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:27 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, Not sure what is going on here: cd results in message "-bash: cd: : Permission denied". Then I add sudo : sudo cd results in message : "sudo: cd: command not found". Any help is much appreciated!! Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Skills for the future
Thank you.I realized back in 2007 there are four primary components to every computer system used since around 1970. Unix/Linux now.SQLthe C programming language.and networking. I have structured my education around those areas with success, but I didn't factor in the S1-B visa and its impact. Just bought this book and will start to read it:https://www.amazon.com/Move-Fast-Break-Things-Undermined/dp/0316275751/ref=sr_1_1?crid=37GDAKBPV5905=move+fast+and+break+things=1670895738=move+fast+%2Caps%2C187=8-1 read this years ago, curious if anyone has heard of this:https://www.amazon.com/Slack-Getting-Burnout-Busywork-Efficiency/dp/0767907698/ref=sr_1_1?crid=F7HXI1SNGKUY=slack+for+consultants=1670895790=slack+for+consultants%2Caps%2C140=8-1 if you want to know what direction we are heading start with this:https://www.amazon.com/dp/111967994X?psc=1=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details WEF states you will own nothing and be happy. Future?Electric vehicles where you will never travel outside the metropolis you live in for Green reasons.https://www.amazon.com/Human-Drift-King-Camp-Gillette/dp/1298507987/ref=sr_1_1?crid=D49SW2QISHLC=human+drift=1670895975=books=humand+drift%2Cstripbooks%2C135=1-1 The idea has been around for a long time and now Google and Facebook will build your AI systems to control and satisfy your everyearthly need."World Corporation" | | | | | | | | | | | "World Corporation" "World Corporation" | | | In case you wonder about education in the West:The Impact of Science on Society | | | | | | | | | | | The Impact of Science on Society Science and technology have had a major impact on society, and their impact is growing, By drastically changing ... | | | But getting back the previous thread, what are the plans for 2023? There is plenty of money to go around. I propose a 12 month plan with each goal in 3 months or 90 days achievability.https://www.amazon.com/Achievement-Factory-Fulfill-Dreams-Adventure/dp/1499551193/ref=sr_1_1?crid=I28DBEQRGMKO=the+achievement+factory=1670896898=the+acheivement+factory%2Caps%2C188=8-1 https://www.ed2go.com/courses/computer-science/data-science thanks, Greg On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 06:28:56 PM MST, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: Very thought provoking Greg!! I think the number one position that I think is going to continue to grow and outpace all others, no matter the economy, is probably cyber security. Not sure how I went down this path, however I have watched a number of documentaries on hacking and getting a job in cyber security. I find this stuff fascinating. One video talked about the Defcon hacker convention in Las Vegas. Admission is in cash and your devices are probably going to be owned. The video said the FBI was in attendance as well. I'm sure it is like anything else, some have natural talent to become hackers. One of the videos I watched stated China has a goal of being able to go toe to toe with the USA by 2025. Scary thought. I would not like to displace anyone with a program, however that might actually cause them to learn some marketable skills. I have a lot of stories. Around the summer of 1980 I went to a warehouse to buy some stuff with my father. There were 4 people in the office. One filled out the purchase request. One pulled the product and probably updated the product ledger. And one person took my father's money and finalized the sale. Very people intensive. During that era computers were too expensive, however 5 or 6 years later the commodore and garage 8088 cpu clones became available. At that point I'm thinking I could replace several people in that warehouse with a program that I would be able to create from scratch in just a couple months. And this app would be able to give up the the minute info and do things like determine seasonality and actual demand that could be used to create safety stock. Oh and to stay on track, If I were to write that program today it would be a browser based PHP/MySQL app and might take me a little longer to create because I would include a lot of AJAX. And of course it would run on a LAMP server. Keith On 2022-12-11 16:59, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Hello, > I don't want to offend anyone but I would like to express some > thoughts on this subject. It seems after months of this discussion it > might be a good > idea to set aside a special email thread to discuss this material so > others aren't annoyed by the comments and opinions that are > non-technical. I actually > have enjoyed this little discussion because it proves these subjects > are important to everyone especially technically inclined individuals. > > > As for my involvement in the subject of ethics I can point to a second > year computer science course I took at SCC in the late 90's csc200. > As the semester wound down to the final wee
Re: Skills for the future
Hello, I don't want to offend anyone but I would like to express some thoughts on this subject. It seems after months of this discussion it might be a good idea to set aside a special email thread to discuss this material so others aren't annoyed by the comments and opinions that are non-technical. I actuallyhave enjoyed this little discussion because it proves these subjects are important to everyone especially technically inclined individuals. As for my involvement in the subject of ethics I can point to a second year computer science course I took at SCC in the late 90's csc200. As the semester wound down to the final weeks the teacher said he wanted us to write a short essay on the subject of how technology can impact the lives of others. He proposed the question: "If you had to write a program that would put people out of their jobs would you do so and why?" I remember he had us write out the ten commandments of computing in a program as the first programming assignment:CPSR - The Ten Commandments of Computer Ethics | | | | | | | | | | | CPSR - The Ten Commandments of Computer Ethics cjohnson Written by the Computer Ethics Institute | | | As a result I have researched and read many books on the subject so forgive me if we deviate a little. All of you mean something to me and others so lets not fight against one another. Turning to Linux again, in the next year what subject would you study so that you would have the skills to find good reliable jobs and careers to providefor yourself? Lets come up with a plan that is broken down into 3 months for each skill so that each of us has what it takes to compete for and acquire the best jobs and maybe just maybe we can turn the economic ship in the direction it need go in for all of us.thanks,Greg On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 06:13:06 AM MST, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote: Part 2 on your 35% comment: with higher prices come higher wages and the gov't gets more taxes. After a few years, Congress will adjust the tax code, meanwhile the really low income folks who weren't paying much, pay quite a bit. Regards, George Toft On 12/2/2022 7:19 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Hi Ed, > > > > On 2022-12-01 22:37, Ed via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> you should look up the difference between a recession and a >> depression. Odds are we will have a middling recession, but the real >> problem is and will be inflation. Inflation is a ratchet, it only goes >> in one direction and hits everyone and everything*. It's like a >> network that has more and more noise on the line. For context, >> consider that people experience something like a half dozen recessions >> in their lifetime - more or less. It's the business cycle. > > I'm old so I have lived through more bad economies than good economies. > > I think this one is going to be the worst of all. > > >> >> You already said it - you expect robotics to become more involved so >> go do that. Just remember robots are capital intensive - so go with >> the big. >> > > I'm specializing in browser based business web apps. I like robotics, > however at this station in my life it is probably not a good fit. > > >> *except for Japan and it's lost decade(s) - they had/have deflation > > > I think we are about to have really bad inflation for the next 10 > years. Based on what I hear, the fed cannot raise interest rates high > enough to kill inflation because we have over 30 trillion in national > debt. It is my understanding that as they raise interest rates the > cost of servicing the debt goes up. Given that we may have to just > ride this out. > > Another thought that is floating around is the Federal Gov. likes > inflation. Think about it. If we have 10% inflation for the next 10 > years that means the value of national debt is reduced to 35% of what > is is today. > > > >> >> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 7:13 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am reading and watching YouTube videos that say the economy is going >>> to tank to maybe as bad as the depression. >>> >>> If this is true what skills are going to be in demand. >>> >>> I suspect there will be a real push to automate things so I'm guessing >>> those who can create browser based business web apps and phone apps >>> will >>> be in high demand. That will equate to the administrator skills to >>> support such things. >>> >>> I also expect robotics to become more involved in factories, >>> manufacturing, and even flipping burgers. >>> >>> What say you? >>> >>> Thanks!! >>> >>> Keith >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To
Re: Pretty-print a directory tree
Hello, I just ran that now and it has an error by this line: yield from cls.make_tree(path, parent=displayable_root,is_last=is_last,criteria=criteria) At or around line 40.please advise.thanks,Greg On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 01:42:29 PM MST, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9727673/list-directory-tree-structure-in-python On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 12:07 PM T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote: The command utility `pass` has something looking almost exactly like this. It's a password manager that's really more like a frontend wrapper for decrypting gpg files located in ~/.password-store . It's not a very complicated program, maybe check out the source code to see what they do. https://www.passwordstore.org/ Dec 9, 2022 09:58:22 Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss : Is the utility `tree` an option? You can also use a subprocess call to call it from within Python. Best Regards, -Thomas Scott On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:53 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: Does anyone know how to get an ASCII/Unicode pretty-print of a directory tree, preferably using a Python library or utility. I wanted one to ask a list for help, but my Google-foo was not up to the task. A working Google search string would be even better than "here follow the link to the utility on GitHub." Trent /home/user/Projects/flask-tutorial ├── flaskr/ │ ├── __init__.py │ ├── db.py │ ├── schema.sql │ ├── auth.py │ ├── blog.py │ ├── templates/ │ │ ├── base.html │ │ ├── auth/ │ │ │ ├── login.html │ │ │ └── register.html │ │ └── blog/ │ │ ├── create.html │ │ ├── index.html │ │ └── update.html │ └── static/ │ └── style.css ├── tests/ │ ├── conftest.py │ ├── data.sql │ ├── test_factory.py │ ├── test_db.py │ ├── test_auth.py │ └── test_blog.py ├── venv/ ├── setup.py └── MANIFEST.in --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: AZ Loco still gathering for Installfests?
Yes. I would like to get in on those.Weekends work best for me. On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 03:34:35 PM MST, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote: I can get you guys room at UAT if you want to bring back installfest. You going to run it Seabass? On Nov 9, 2022, at 15:32, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote: I would maybe volunteer for that sometimes but Sat is not the best day for me. Nov 9, 2022 15:29:39 Seabass via PLUG-discuss : Someone mentioned wanting to regrow a community tech swap meet, and wanting it to have a community of people for it. He mentioned liking the idea of it being a bunch of people and maybe there would be some people to help with stuff like Linux installs. I remembered AZLoco had installfests, but they had to change due to covid. Are Installfests still going on? I would like to get in contact with them to try and see if they can work --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fw: Urgent Requirement : Software Engineer (Linux Kernel): Remote : Fulltime
Hello, Is anyone interested in this offer?thanks,Greg - Forwarded Message - From: greg zegan To: Saurabh Singh _TSI Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:18:22 PM MSTSubject: Re: Urgent Requirement : Software Engineer (Linux Kernel): Remote : Fulltime Hello, I think you tried to call me.Sorry, I am on a lunch break.thanks,Greg On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:03:36 PM MST, Saurabh Singh _TSI wrote: It’s a fulltime opportunity. Salary, we have is $120k/yr. Thanks & Regards Saurabh Vishal Singh Senior Technical Recruiter Tanisha Systems, Inc. New Jersey, USA 99 Wood Ave South, Suite # 308, Iselin, NJ 08830 Direct: 850-764-8101 Tel: 212-729-6543 Ext.593 Email :svsi...@tanishasystems.com Web:www.tanishasystems.com From: greg zegan Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 2:53 PM To: Saurabh Singh _TSI Subject: Re: Urgent Requirement : Software Engineer (Linux Kernel): Remote : Fulltime Hello, That looks like a very juicy role as I am really into Linux. I think I have all those skills accept Kubernetes. What kind of project is this for? What salary and compensation are you offering? thanks, Greg On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 11:11:59 AM MST, Saurabh Vishal Singh wrote: Greetings, Hope you are doing good. This side Saurabh from Tanisha Systems reach you regarding job position of Software Engineer (Linux Kernel), which is : -Remote and which isFulltime role. Please reply to this email with your updated resume. Job Title : Software Engineer (Linux Kernel) Location: Remote Job Type :- Fulltime Job Description: - 4 to 8 years’ experience as a software engineer - Strong coding skills inC OR C++ OR Go - Work experience onLinux and/orKubernetes - Problem solving, debugging - Operating system concepts - Open to learning to program and debug in kernel mode Thanks & Regards Saurabh Vishal Singh Senior Technical Recruiter Tanisha Systems, Inc. New Jersey, USA 99 Wood Ave South, Suite # 308, Iselin, NJ 08830 Direct: 850-764-8101 Tel: 212-729-6543 Ext.593 Email : svsi...@tanishasystems.com Web: www.tanishasystems.com If you are interested in this position, please click here. You have received this message because either you have contacted our Company to express interest in employment, or you have posted your Resume in an area accessible to recruiters or HR professionals, which implies an interest in being contacted regarding employment opportunities. If you would prefer to no longer receive any emails whatsoever from our Company, you may opt out at anytime by clickinghere. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
https://invest.nanovms.com/?utm_source=zh_medium=web_campaign=zh-deep-tech
Invest in NanoVMs | | | | Invest in NanoVMs Invest today in NanoVMs. NanoVMs runs Linux software faster and safer than Linux itself as unikernels. | | | Hello, Has anyone ever heard of this project?What is the potential?thanks,Greg --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gratitude:
Hello, I am doing this course right now even though I have years of experience with Linux.Never can have too much knowledge.https://w3.testout.com/courseware/linux-pro thanks,Greg On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 02:32:22 PM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'm sure I said this before but I have to say it again. thank you. Thanks for putting up with my very basic questions when I first started my journey into Linux so many years ago (before ubuntu I think). Nd thank you fore letting me repeat those basic questions until I realized I needed to write the answers down so I could overcome my head-injury-memory. Thank you hans for putting windows back on my machine until the next month when I tried debianon my machine and stuff worked (unllike red hat (before fedora)) I am so grateful for you guys (and gals). -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opportunity
Hello, Good question. Where can you get a good CS degree on a budget?India? Europe? North America?thanks,Greg On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 07:27:37 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2022-08-22 00:17, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Not sure what good a CS degree is these days. Seems like all anybody > caress about today is “at least 3 years hands-on experience with xyz > and abc” to get hired for stuff. > I consider a CS degree as an engineer. Those who follow this path can do things the rest of us cannot do like create parsers, compilers, and interpreters. Am I wrong? I'm a programmer. I do not have the skills of a CS degree holder. You (David) can do lots of neat things that I cannot. I think your niche is smaller if you want to do engineering class work. I had a love/hate relationship with IT for a long time because I struggled to find adequate W2 employment. I had to become a freelancer to rise to my potential, and that could be a book. I bet you could spend a couple months learning Kotlin, put up a website and do freelance Kotlin development. I have read articles that say freelancing will take over the world in the future. As companies start to realize they only need a core of employees supplemented by freelancers, then that will become the norm. It has been my experience that small businesses mostly hire freelancers and have no IT staff. > I read an article today that was saying how Google has been working > hard to replace Java in the Android ecosystem with Kotlin. I’m sure > Java will be with us a long time, but learning Kotlin could open some > doors in the not-too-distant future. > > Five years later, Google is still all-in on Kotlin > > https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/18/five-years-later-google-is-still-all-in-on-kotlin/ > [2] > > It’s been just over five years since Google first announced that it > would make Kotlin, the > statically typed language for the Java Virtual Machine first developed > by JetBrains, a first- > class language for writing Android apps at Google I/O 2017. Since > then, Google took this a > step further by making Kotlin its preferred language for writing > Android apps in 2019 — and > while plenty of developers still use Java, Kotlin is quickly becoming > the default way to build > apps for Google’s mobile operating system. > > I suspect that when Google announces the first version of Android > written in Kotlin, it will open a huge demand for Kotlin programmers > with even 6 months of experience with it. > > -David Schwartz > >> On Aug 21, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> >> On 2022-08-19 10:41, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> David, >> You provide a bunch to think about. >> What does this have to do with Linux? We are on a Linux list and I >> would guess most are not going to retool. >> I'm 66 and do not think I will retool, so I am looking at some >> simple >> things that might make my life better while we enter a period of >> chaos. >> I am a PHP programmer and I know less about Linux than I would like >> to. >> For me the opportunities have to be in the realm of LAMP/LEMP. >> PHP is so ingrained that it will be around for decades. Eventually >> it >> will go the way of COBOL... AND COBOL is still around. I think a >> person >> could make a career being a COBOL developer. >> So I think the question is what are the opportunities for the Linux >> admins and the associated technologies? >> What I'm personally doing is developing a Troubleshooters.Com [1] >> HTML/CSS >> subsite in >> preparation to teach online HTML/CSS classes to people who: >> 1) Understand that HTML, DOM and CSS are the basis of web >> presentation, regardless >> of higher layer tools used, >> 2) Want a teacher instead of just taking a programmed online course, >> 3) Don't want to pay the price of coming to a face to face class. > > Very nice!! Based on what I am reading and hearing I think there will > be continued demand for this type of learning. I think the > Universities will dry up. It might take a while. Looks like a year > at ASU is almost $13,000 > https://admission.asu.edu/aid/resident-first-year [3] Who can afford > that? > > I first looked at college in 1978 and that year it was $275 a semester > at the University of Arizona. I ended up going to junior college and > it was $100 my first semester the spring of 1979. > > By 1990 UofA was just over $1000 a semester. 4 times what it was just > 12 years prior. > > When I was first exposed to programming in 1983 a bachelor's degree > was required to be a programmer. I think that requirement is long > gone. I think employers are looking for just skills. > > I think self study is big today. And if the economy does crash I'm > thinking that the next generation of programmers will be self thought > and might just be more inclined to be using Linux. >
Re: SCALE parking
rip off!do you get free lunch with that? On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 07:05:23 AM MST, Shawn Badger via PLUG-discuss wrote: Fyi, if you are going to SCALE the hotel parking is $44 a day, but if you park next door at the "theParkingSpot" it is only $32 a day. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Falling SSD prices
Nice! On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 07:38:42 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: I was looking at SSDs because I want to buy another one. About 6 years ago I bought a 1TB Samsung SSD for $300 I like the Samsung EVO SSDs. Today on Good Egg I saw: 250GB is $49 500GB is $59 1TB is $99. These have come down a bunch. I have an old dell mini-tower that at some point I might turn into a home LAMP web server. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/farewell-internet-explorer
Farewell, Internet Explorer | | | | | | | | | | | Farewell, Internet Explorer The Internet Explorer hit computer screens close to 27 years ago... | | | --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Anyone interested in this...http://www.hercules-390.eu/
I know.I love the idea of working with that stuff.I'd even do punch cards just for the experience if there was such a place. On Monday, May 9, 2022, 05:14:30 AM MST, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: OK. I just nerded all over the place. On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 3:52 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: The Hercules System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture Emulator | | | | | | | | | | | The Hercules System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture Emulator | | | --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Anyone interested in this...http://www.hercules-390.eu/
The Hercules System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture Emulator | | | | | | | | | | | The Hercules System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture Emulator | | | --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Should an opensource dev know Linux
Hello, Regarding Software dev people of which I am one of, I once had a teacher with a masters degree in CIS tell me that polymorphism was a Latin word. On another occasion, a different person who I worked with a masters degree in CIS told me OOP was only happening in the GUI side. Best experience I had with a CS teacher was at SCC who used Sun OS for his programming lectures. Standard I/O , and standard error was discussed, but it went over my head coming from a Windows background. I now use Linux almost exclusively for the above. I'll bet in educational places like India and Russia they know the value of Linux in the dev field. thanks,Greg On Thursday, April 21, 2022, 11:33:57 AM MST, Andrew McRobb via PLUG-discuss wrote: As someone who worked with a lot of people in the software/web. A good chunk of people don't know it that well enough. It has many many advantages to understand the ecosystem and the distros available. Linux alone makes an awesome developer environment that I don't think people really try to take advantage of. Because they grew up using Windows and just assume things are just the way they are, especially that cmd is trash imho in comparison to proper terminal emulation. So people stray away from Linux thinking their mileage will be the same they had with the ugly cmd tool. On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:20 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote: In my experience as a Senior Systems Engineer/Admin most in software development, especially Java, haven't the slightest idea of Linux. Most only know the absolute minimum to test/validate/Benchmark their application, but when it comes to "general knowledge" most developers i have been around are usually pretty lost outside their IDE. Yes! Of course they should know Linux ... like I know Linux ... EVERYONE SHOULD ... LOL, but I'm biased and jaded. Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 11:12 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I'm a PHP developer and always thought all opensource developers had at least some knowledge of Linux. Recently I watched a YouTube video that stated otherwise. The presenter said it is important to know Linux which will set one apart from the crowd. I have been "messing"/"playing"/"working" with Linux since around 1998 or so. Learned a lot and have a lot to learn. Thought all opensource developers had at least a fundamental understanding of Linux. Is it true most do not know Linux? And is it true that it is good, for a dev, to be able to put they have basic familiarity of Linux on their Resume? Thanks in advance!! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: NICs on a virtualization box
is that a sub-interface then? On Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 10:04:51 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: WOW Thanks!! If we were running a box of VPS's and the box had two NICs would the second NIC be redundant just in case the 1st NIC fails How do multiple NICs on the same box work? OK so the software layer on the O/S talks to the NIC but is not actually assigned to any particular NIC? Thanks for all the replies, this is very educational. On 2022-04-20 09:19, Kevin Fries wrote: > Always remember, the network interface from the OS side and the > network interface from the hardware side are two completely different > concepts. Other than the fact that they are generally matched one to > one, they really have nothing to do with one another. > > A hardware interface (i.e. on a NIC) is physical, and you have as many > as you have. No way to manufacture more without installing more > hardware. > > A OS network interface is a software construct. ETH0 (using the old > vernacular) generally maps to the first hardware interface, and > provides a hook for software to use… most notably the network stack. > While it is not done out of the box, there is no restriction to say > that two of these constructs can not map to the same back end > construct. So yes, you can have ETH0.1 (again, using the old > vernacular) > > VMWare and other similar virtual machine managers can take advantage of > this. > > The second point you need to get straight in your head is that a fixed > IP address is never a construct of the box, but of the Domain Naming > Service (DNS) on the network. It is NAMED that assigns the IP > address. For an interface (software in this case as the hardware’s > address is actually the MAC ADDRESS) to have an address, it asks the > DHCP server for it. If the DHCP has been told, always assign this > address to this requester, the address is a fixed, reserved, or > dedicated IP depending on who is speaking to you. They all mean the > Same thing. > > So, yes, the number of NICs on a box does not limit the number of > network interfaces the OS provides, and yes, each of those interfaces > can have a dynamic or dedicated IP address. > > HTH > Kevin > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 20, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> I'm wondering how VPS servers are configured. I have a VPS with a >> dedicated IP. I assume I share a box that has a number of virtual >> machines and I assume each VPS has a dedicated IP. >> >> This is a hardware question. I assume the box has at least 2 network >> cards. So lets say the server has 20 VPS on it and each has a >> dedicated IP. Does the box need a NIC for each IP or does the box have >> NIC cards that can service/route multiple IPs? >> >> I have a Dell consumer grade mini tower computer with a single NIC >> which is built into the motherboard. I assume that NIC can only >> service one IP address, is that correct or can I install >> virtualization software on this computer and use the NIC for multiple >> IP's? >> >> Did I just open a can of worms? >> >> Thanks in advance for your wisdom. >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: NICs on a virtualization box
yesNIC teaming? On Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 08:58:00 AM MST, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: I know you can assign multiple IP's to one Nic, but I don't know how each VPS can run a service on the same ports. On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 8:51 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I'm wondering how VPS servers are configured. I have a VPS with a dedicated IP. I assume I share a box that has a number of virtual machines and I assume each VPS has a dedicated IP. This is a hardware question. I assume the box has at least 2 network cards. So lets say the server has 20 VPS on it and each has a dedicated IP. Does the box need a NIC for each IP or does the box have NIC cards that can service/route multiple IPs? I have a Dell consumer grade mini tower computer with a single NIC which is built into the motherboard. I assume that NIC can only service one IP address, is that correct or can I install virtualization software on this computer and use the NIC for multiple IP's? Did I just open a can of worms? Thanks in advance for your wisdom. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Stammtisch assistance Tuesday
thank you. On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 08:23:34 AM MST, der.hans wrote: Am 14. Apr, 2022 schwätzte greg zegan via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin Greg, > Hello, Would that be for the 19th?I do have some questions about installing > Packet Tracer on my Debian machine.thanks,Greg Yeah, for the 19th. If you have questions you can also bring them up after the presentation tonight. Or on list, of course :). ciao, der.hans > On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 11:35:04 PM MST, der.hans via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > moin moin, > > Stammtisch is this coming Tuesday starting at 19:00. I will likely be late > or miss it due to an event for my kid. > > Would someone else run the meeting in BigBlueButton for us? > > https://gettogether.community/events/17824/floss-stammtisch/ > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "If I want my children to work hard, I better be the hardest working # person they've ever met. If I want the children to be nice, I better # be the kindest human being they've ever met." -- Rafe Esquith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Stammtisch assistance Tuesday
Hello, Would that be for the 19th?I do have some questions about installing Packet Tracer on my Debian machine.thanks,Greg On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 11:35:04 PM MST, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote: moin moin, Stammtisch is this coming Tuesday starting at 19:00. I will likely be late or miss it due to an event for my kid. Would someone else run the meeting in BigBlueButton for us? https://gettogether.community/events/17824/floss-stammtisch/ ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "He read his obituary with confusion." -- Steven Meretzky --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old Rack Server ...
wow!must eat up power at the house. On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 02:25:14 PM MST, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: Server cases can run from 16 inch to 24 inch deep and 19 inch wide but depends on U size. On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 14:14, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > How big is this thing? > > On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 02:02:27 PM MST, Harold Hartley via > PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > That’s because I’m wheelchair bound. > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 13:32, Snyder, Alexander J wrote: >> Cool. When do you want to pick it up? >> >> Thanks, >> Alexander >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 12:47 Matthew Gibson >> wrote: >>> I was merely offering to help transport it to an interested party. I myself >>> am not interested in a rack mounted server. As I have no rack for it. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 12:37 PM Harold Hartley >>> wrote: >>>> Yes I am interested in the server. >>>> >>>> On 4/13/22 12:36, Snyder, Alexander J wrote: >>>>> So anyway, LOL -- I'm the one with the server! >>>>> >>>>> I'm in the East Valley. NW Gilbert. >>>>> McQueen/Guadalupe. >>>>> >>>>> Harold was first, so he has priority if he chooses. Matt is next, if >>>>> Harold declines. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Alexander >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 09:52 Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> You see my address on my emails showing I live in Phoenix. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 09:49, Matthew Gibson wrote: >>>>>> > In the Phoenix Valley, no conditions. Outside the Phoenix valley, help >>>>>> > with gas money or a soda pop or two. Outside Arizona... we'd need to >>>>>> > discuss times, locations, etc. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 9:45 AM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> What condition is that. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 09:37, Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>>> >> > I'm happy to help facilitate a transfer of equipment if an >>>>>> >> > arrangement >>>>>> >> > hasn't been made yet. Certain conditions apply. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 8:49 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss >>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>>> >> >> Community -- >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I have an old SuperMicro rack server that I'm looking to either >>>>>> >> >> donate or correctly recycle. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I tried to sell it for parts on here so time back -- which >>>>>> >> >> garnered no interest -- and now it's just sitting in my garage >>>>>> >> >> taking up space. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I would like to donate it to anyone interested, obviously free of >>>>>> >> >> charge (*you just have to come to get it*) -- or if someone can >>>>>> >> >> please recommend a quality electronics recycling center they have >>>>>> >> >> used, preferably in the East Valley -- that would be much >>>>>> >> >> appreciated. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> -- >>>>>> >> >> Thanks, >>>>>> >> >> Alex. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> --- >>>>>> >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>> >> > --- >>>>>> >> > PLUG-discuss mailing
Re: Old Rack Server ...
How big is this thing? On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 02:02:27 PM MST, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: That’s because I’m wheelchair bound. On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 13:32, Snyder, Alexander J wrote: > Cool. When do you want to pick it up? > > Thanks, > Alexander > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 12:47 Matthew Gibson > wrote: >> I was merely offering to help transport it to an interested party. I myself >> am not interested in a rack mounted server. As I have no rack for it. >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 12:37 PM Harold Hartley wrote: >>> Yes I am interested in the server. >>> >>> On 4/13/22 12:36, Snyder, Alexander J wrote: So anyway, LOL -- I'm the one with the server! I'm in the East Valley. NW Gilbert. McQueen/Guadalupe. Harold was first, so he has priority if he chooses. Matt is next, if Harold declines. Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 09:52 Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > You see my address on my emails showing I live in Phoenix. > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 09:49, Matthew Gibson wrote: > > In the Phoenix Valley, no conditions. Outside the Phoenix valley, help > > with gas money or a soda pop or two. Outside Arizona... we'd need to > > discuss times, locations, etc. > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 9:45 AM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss > > wrote: > >> What condition is that. > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 09:37, Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> > I'm happy to help facilitate a transfer of equipment if an > >> > arrangement > >> > hasn't been made yet. Certain conditions apply. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 8:49 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss > >> > wrote: > >> >> Community -- > >> >> > >> >> I have an old SuperMicro rack server that I'm looking to either > >> >> donate or correctly recycle. > >> >> > >> >> I tried to sell it for parts on here so time back -- which garnered > >> >> no interest -- and now it's just sitting in my garage taking up > >> >> space. > >> >> > >> >> I would like to donate it to anyone interested, obviously free of > >> >> charge (*you just have to come to get it*) -- or if someone can > >> >> please recommend a quality electronics recycling center they have > >> >> used, preferably in the East Valley -- that would be much > >> >> appreciated. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> Alex. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> --- > >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > --- > >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> -- > >> Harold Hartley > >> 17632 N. 5th place > >> Phoenix, AZ 85022 > >> wheelie...@ownmail.net > >> --- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Harold Hartley > 17632 N. 5th place > Phoenix, AZ 85022 > wheelie...@ownmail.net > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> -- >>> Harold Hartley >>> 17632 N. 5th Pl >>> Phoenix, AZ 85022 >>> wheelie...@ownmail.net -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 wheelie...@ownmail.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: FOSSASIA tonight +
Hello, Is this remote via WebEx or something like that? On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 10:18:10 PM MST, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote: moin moin, FOSSASIA is most of a day ahead of us, so their Thursday conference started tonight at 22:00 for us. I enjoyed the conference last year and learned from a few programming classes given by students. https://eventyay.com/e/6b901f56/video/main-hall/630 It's a worldwide event with people I know from the US and EU, but I also see lots of people checking in from Japan, India, VietNam and other countries in Asia. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "I have no special talents, I am only passionately # curious." -- Albert Einstein --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Is there such a niche?
Python is making headways in everything today including and especially where Perl was and is.Networking for example. Cisco has web pages where they are using it for SDN dev. Perl is legacy, but worth knowing if you ask me. In fact, the older programmers are retiring and unfortunatelydying off before they can transfer those valuable skills to the younger generations and Perl like Cobol is still inuse. I have even thought of getting a certification in it for opening doors into the Open Source dev side more. https://www.ciwcertified.com/ciw-certifications/web-development-series/perl-specialist As Steve Jobs would say: "Stay hungry. Stay foolish." On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 09:24:13 AM MST, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote: Well, perl, like Java will always be useful. It might be in decline as in active number of GitHub projects, but like COBOL -- Perl will always be *somewhere* on a server. Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+ On Wed, Apr 6, 2022, 09:10 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: I created my first website in 2000 using PERL and what I think was an early version of MySQL. Domains were $40 and hosting was around $25/mo or more. For a while I've been reading that PERL is dead. Is that not true? A quick search shows PERL is in a decline. Your Thoughts? On 2022-04-06 08:54, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Bash +Perl, and a side of python will cover pretty much all of the > above. and a number of PHP applications are commonly managed this way. > popular because of its communication with MySQL > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:26 AM Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > >> Bash is great, and when you can call almost any other script from >> within it (including some python utilities) you can do some amazing >> things. >> Phil W >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 7:34 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >>> Its all I use right now for dev projects >>> Learned some stuff today on bash that was really cool. >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 07:23:11 PM MST, Keith Smith via >>> PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> >>> I'm a PHP developer. >>> >>> I've always liked Linux. Bought a box set of RedHat, what I think >>> was >>> >>> version 4.2 around 97 or 98. >>> >>> Programming has always been the dominate part of Linux and PHP. >>> >>> I'm wondering if there is any value in making Linux the dominate >>> partner >>> >>> and programming the support partner. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> --- >>> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Is there such a niche?
Its all I use right now for dev projectsLearned some stuff today on bash that was really cool. On Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 07:23:11 PM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'm a PHP developer. I've always liked Linux. Bought a box set of RedHat, what I think was version 4.2 around 97 or 98. Programming has always been the dominate part of Linux and PHP. I'm wondering if there is any value in making Linux the dominate partner and programming the support partner. Any thoughts? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GNOME or KDE?
thank you that is good to know.I am using CentOS 8.? stream, but I heard they were not going to support it anymore. On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 03:44:44 PM MST, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote: Yes, Rocky is a bug-for-bug compliant version of RHEL. Spawned in the wake of the CentOS demise, by the original creator of CentOS! -- Thanks, Alex. On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 3:42 PM Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote: Well, just have it on a test machine, so far all the redhat documentation seems to work just fine on it, YMMV.Phil W On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 3:41 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://rockylinux.org/ ??? Is that a good version to use if you are studying for the RHCSA exam? On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 03:37:56 PM MST, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote: I like Kubuntu (ubuntu with the KDE desktop) for my desktops/laptops.I am presently using CentOS on my servers, but probably switching to Rocky Linux.Phil W On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 3:23 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: In the past there has been some discussion about which is better GNOME or KDE? I like Mint and I see it offers MATE (a fork of GNOME 2) or Cinnamon (a fork of GNOME 3). It has been years and I think I selected Cinnamon for my desktop. Does it matter? I tried Ubuntu and I did not like it for my workstation. However for servers I only want Ubuntu. Thanks!! PS I'm on a mission and might have dozens of questions. Thank you in advance!! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GNOME or KDE?
https://rockylinux.org/ ??? Is that a good version to use if you are studying for the RHCSA exam? On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 03:37:56 PM MST, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote: I like Kubuntu (ubuntu with the KDE desktop) for my desktops/laptops.I am presently using CentOS on my servers, but probably switching to Rocky Linux.Phil W On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 3:23 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: In the past there has been some discussion about which is better GNOME or KDE? I like Mint and I see it offers MATE (a fork of GNOME 2) or Cinnamon (a fork of GNOME 3). It has been years and I think I selected Cinnamon for my desktop. Does it matter? I tried Ubuntu and I did not like it for my workstation. However for servers I only want Ubuntu. Thanks!! PS I'm on a mission and might have dozens of questions. Thank you in advance!! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cyber war / moving back to Linux
Has anyone used or heard of this? Why This Is The Operating System Edward Snowden Recommends | | | | | | | | | | | Why This Is The Operating System Edward Snowden Recommends | | | On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 12:04:37 PM MST, Anthony Radzykewycz via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hey Everybody, I'm fortunate enough to have a unique perspective on this topic. Without going into any detail at all (mostly because I have steered clear of being an active participant), I can say that there are ways to get involved. That'd be of your own accord, but I was provided a link earlier by a colleague. On a securing aspect, I found that STIGs are pretty neat to go through. https://www.stigviewer.com/stigs. They suck if you have to go through them a bunch of times, but the first set that I did was really illuminating to the settings available on systems. I know there has always been the opinion that Linux is more secure than Windows (and Mac is more secure than Linux), but my experience with this claim is different. I understand Apple devices to be amongst the worst... Either way, more than the OS, applications are where a lot of vulns exist. Windows systems are certainly more targeted, and the user-base is usually of a different caliber than Linux users (Linux users tend to learn a bit more than your typical end user). Regardless of this, I think most of the hackers at my org are much more familiar with Linux hacking (as it's more prevalent and easier to get access to learning resources). Sorry to go off-tangent here, but I wanted to share my perspective (as a 'hacker'). Check out the STIGs and let me know what you all think. Of course, it depends on what you are running, but as you'll see, STIGs are quite extensive.Regards,Anthony (RedHatAugust) Radzykewycz On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:05 AM Samuel Stavole-Carter via PLUG-discuss wrote: A session on improving security would be great. I’ll check out Aaron’s stuff in the meantime. Thanks for sharing! On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote: Am 22. Mar, 2022 schwätzte Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, > I have been researching all the ways to harden my linux box so I don't have > problems. But some of the research I have found to be out of date so I may > check on here for things I want to harden my linux box against any type of > attacks. Perhaps we should have a presentation on improving our security. We do have many security presentations up from the before times, especially if you look at Aaron's security series. https://www.youtube.com/c/BrianCluff/videos Also, Brian was having way too much fun with some of the title images he was making :). ciao, der.hans > On 3/22/22 09:46, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I understand there is a cyber war going on. I understand it is the worse >> so far. I hear it is coming from Russia. >> >> I moved to Windows about 6 years ago for business reasons. Those reasons >> have since passed. I do have one piece of software that runs on Win or >> MAC. So I am thinking of running that on a Win laptop I have and it will >> be isolated for the most part. >> >> I'm thinking it is time to move back to Linux for my laptop. >> >> I think we need to open a discussion on this cyber war. >> >> Thoughts? >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # As we enjoy great Advantages from the # Inventions of others we should be glad of an # Opportunity to serve others by any Invention of ours, # and this we should do freely and generously. # -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), on his refusal to patent his inventions.--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
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music for coders to relax...
Tycho - Full Performance (Live on KEXP) | | | | | | | | | | | Tycho - Full Performance (Live on KEXP) | | | --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album Stream] --->>>> TGIF!!
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Re: ot - gas price
And there it is.Nice.Everything I mentioned comes from Liberal Arts, not MAGA.Jimmy Dore is Liberal Progressive. On Friday, March 18, 2022, 06:58:56 AM MST, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote: Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. Don't email me directly again. On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote: Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... (I couldn't resist): https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which is just opposite of Greg's. - https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/ - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/ - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/ - The convenience.org link seems to be a blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced on bias from what I can tell. The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again. It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development adversely affected the price of fuel in America. When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to America otherwise. I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership. Only 2 years until it gets really ugly again. JD On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote: Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/ On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Lets go Brandon! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
computer science used in politics
NSA Genius Debunks Russiagate Once & For All | | | | | | | | | | | NSA Genius Debunks Russiagate Once & For All | | | NSA Whistleblower Tells How NSA Tracks You! w/Bill Binney | | | | | | | | | | | NSA Whistleblower Tells How NSA Tracks You! w/Bill Binney | | | --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot - gas price
Yes, but look into the Fiat money we have.If they didn't ship the jobs overseas they couldn't keep the petro-dollar. Henry Ford would describe this as a battle between Nationalist and Internationalist.The http://www.cfr.org are Internationalist. The support the banker class and central planners.They have been running our country for decades.They got spooked by Trump.Putin knows the limitations about capitalism and wanted open markets but with proper regulation.The bankers and central planners want open and unregulated markets for maximum profits. Look into Bill Browder and Larry Summers and what they did in the 90's for America afterthe fall of USSR. Why did Putin ask Trump if he could speak to Bill Browder when he first saw him?They looted Russia and starved many Russians to death with the blessing of USA's CIA. With Nationalism, you develop the resources for the benefit of the population that resides within the Nation state.With Internationalism, you privatize resources and they are developed for the benefit of the shareholders. Capitalism. By the way, Russia never wanted Marxism. Guess who funded it?USA with the help of Jacob Schiff Adam Schiff's great Uncle. The congressman from California.Leon Trotsky, aka Lev Davidovich Bronstein, got $20 million from Mr. Schiff. They killed the Czar and his family and it is still a bitter topic between Russia, America, and Israel because he was of Jewish decent. Why would a banker support Marxism? What is in it for them? On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 04:39:41 PM MST, JD Austin wrote: High gas prices. unaffordable housing. many households living paycheck to paycheck. explosion in crime. explosion in homelessness. recreational drug use on the rise for a civilization like ours and you think this is normal? All the above are symptoms of the problem: our politicians sold us out to support foreign countries while pushing their own agendas. Politicians sold the trade agreements as a way for American businesses to make more money selling internationally, but they are competing with countries with much lower cost of living and much less stringent environmental standards. When politicians started passing laws that forced businesses to fund their agendas (like health care), the related overhead increase kicked off the migration of American manufacturing jobs to other countries. Within a decade, most of the manufacturing jobs left the USA. Politicians didn't think about 'the little people' and assumed they could just get training and other jobs; only some of them could. The current regime is really pushing green energy. I'm a fan of green energy, but it's just not ready to replace everything that already works. It costs more and doesn't work as well. Only upper-middle-class and above living in urban areas can afford green energy solutions; politicians are blind to that and so are a lot of proponents. When our politicians created free trade agreements (that weren't fair to American businesses) almost all remaining manufacturing left the US along with the related jobs. Every time politicians meddle with businesses causing their overhead to increase, they cause a shift that hurts employees and consumers the most. We got cheap, crappy, Chinese goods that just don't last (made by people they have to put up nets to prevent them from committing suicide) and the 'throw it away' society that came with it. It hit a lot of American industries and I'm not sure we can get them back now. With costs going up, decent jobs requiring more skill and education, far fewer places to work for low-skilled workers,and even the so-called help always has rules that keep the people we are 'helping' poor (make more than X and you get nothing). it's not surprising a lot of poor people become homeless, resort to crime, and take drugs. Politicians need to think about 'the little people' as real people. On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:03 PM greg zegan wrote: On top of that in case you haven't noticed the homeless population has exploded in the Phoenix area.Try ridding the bus-public transportation, with these people who sadly in some cases haven't had a bath or shower in some time. Its really sad that the American culture has been broken so badly that one has to help others see what is in plain sight. We live adjacent to a state with arguably the worst homeless population in the country. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself or others what is the cause of all this??? High gas prices.unaffordable housing.many households living paycheck to paycheck.explosion in crime.explosion in homelessness.recreational drug use on the rise for a civilization like ours and you think this is normal? $14 Billion in aid to Ukraine while all this is happening?Where is that money going?How about a hired mercenary army to fight Russia per the refuges from the Middle East. Why do you think they pushed for EU to take in refuges from the middle East?By the
Re: ot - gas price
On top of that in case you haven't noticed the homeless population has exploded in the Phoenix area.Try ridding the bus-public transportation, with these people who sadly in some cases haven't had a bath or shower in some time. Its really sad that the American culture has been broken so badly that one has to help others see what is in plain sight. We live adjacent to a state with arguably the worst homeless population in the country. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself or others what is the cause of all this??? High gas prices.unaffordable housing.many households living paycheck to paycheck.explosion in crime.explosion in homelessness.recreational drug use on the rise for a civilization like ours and you think this is normal? $14 Billion in aid to Ukraine while all this is happening?Where is that money going?How about a hired mercenary army to fight Russia per the refuges from the Middle East. Why do you think they pushed for EU to take in refuges from the middle East?By the way, EU doesn't have children like the previous generations did and thee now know it takes at least 2.0 children per couple to keep an empire alive so these peoplefrom Africa and others are nothing but blood and treasure to these neo-cons. Tech people are usually some of the smartest in a civilization historically speaking.As per Thucydides the country that rules in technology rules the world. Surely the breadth and width of your understanding goes further than these few talking points. How about this.There is a real effort to turn us all in the West into a Socialistic civilization based on Plato's Republic.Democracy?Try a empire ruled by a Philosopher king as he stated in his book. The problem is there is no person on this earth that is perfect and never will be. We have a Republic, not a Democracy in the USA. Dig a little deeper and try a little harder to understand your world. If you don't find the truth there aremany out there looking for the naïve to take advantage of. Plato's Republic.Plato's Meno.Plato's Timaeus.Plato's Protagoras.St. Augustine's City of God.Aristotle's Ethics.Jean-Jacques Rousseau - The Social Contract.Jean-Jacques Rousseau - Discourse on Inequality. On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 03:35:25 PM MST, JD Austin wrote: It hasn't been near $2 a gallon for 1.5 years. https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=AZ https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 3:31 PM greg zegan wrote: Are you kidding?just over a year ago it was under $2 a gallon.furthermore, who is going to commute to work in Phoenix in the coming months? On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 03:22:12 PM MST, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote: I just paid $4.49 at Costco which was only .07/gallon less than surrounding gas stations :(I can only hope our national politicians pull their heads from their rectum and open domestic oil production again soon. They're blaming Ukraine, but it was already approaching $4 before Russian invaded. If anyone had doubts that overreliance on foreign supply chains could be problematic, the last several years should have made it clear. I feel really sorry for poor people... how are they coping with these price increases everywhere? On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:47 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: What is gas going for in arizona? It is around 4 a gallon in florida. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot - gas price
Riding a bike? On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 03:31:54 PM MST, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Are you kidding?just over a year ago it was under $2 a gallon.furthermore, who is going to commute to work in Phoenix in the coming months? On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 03:22:12 PM MST, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote: I just paid $4.49 at Costco which was only .07/gallon less than surrounding gas stations :(I can only hope our national politicians pull their heads from their rectum and open domestic oil production again soon. They're blaming Ukraine, but it was already approaching $4 before Russian invaded. If anyone had doubts that overreliance on foreign supply chains could be problematic, the last several years should have made it clear. I feel really sorry for poor people... how are they coping with these price increases everywhere? On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:47 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: What is gas going for in arizona? It is around 4 a gallon in florida. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot - gas price
Are you kidding?just over a year ago it was under $2 a gallon.furthermore, who is going to commute to work in Phoenix in the coming months? On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 03:22:12 PM MST, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote: I just paid $4.49 at Costco which was only .07/gallon less than surrounding gas stations :(I can only hope our national politicians pull their heads from their rectum and open domestic oil production again soon. They're blaming Ukraine, but it was already approaching $4 before Russian invaded. If anyone had doubts that overreliance on foreign supply chains could be problematic, the last several years should have made it clear. I feel really sorry for poor people... how are they coping with these price increases everywhere? On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:47 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: What is gas going for in arizona? It is around 4 a gallon in florida. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot - gas price
Lets go Brandon! On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 12:47:31 PM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: What is gas going for in arizona? It is around 4 a gallon in florida. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
