Re: What is the best way to create a business card?

[Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss]

I made myself some personal business cards with VistaPrint 
 a few months ago and I don't regret it.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, at 9:07 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Thanks, I will!
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 11:00 PM Snyder, Alexander J  
> wrote:
>> Personally, if you're representing your own business, invest in that 
>> business with some nice cards, as they themselves are a small representation 
>> of that business. They speak to the quality you're willing to invest in ... 
>> Whatever it is you're doing. 
>> 
>> Go to VistaPrint or similar, spend $100, get something nice. Textured paper, 
>> raised embossed print ... It'll do wonders you didn't even think.
>> 
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>> Thanks,
>> Alexander
>> 
>> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 19:25 Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>>  wrote:
>>> I got the blank cards and the printer but LibreWriter isn't very intuitive.
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Re: What is the best way to create a business card?

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks, I will!

On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 11:00 PM Snyder, Alexander J 
wrote:

> Personally, if you're representing your own business, invest in that
> business with some nice cards, as they themselves are a small
> representation of that business. They speak to the quality you're willing
> to invest in ... Whatever it is you're doing.
>
> Go to VistaPrint or similar, spend $100, get something nice. Textured
> paper, raised embossed print ... It'll do wonders you didn't even think.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 19:25 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I got the blank cards and the printer but LibreWriter isn't very
>> intuitive.
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Re: What is the best way to create a business card?

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

Personally, if you're representing your own business, invest in that
business with some nice cards, as they themselves are a small
representation of that business. They speak to the quality you're willing
to invest in ... Whatever it is you're doing.

Go to VistaPrint or similar, spend $100, get something nice. Textured
paper, raised embossed print ... It'll do wonders you didn't even think.

--
Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro

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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks for your help... I dont have access to the computer now but I'll let
you know if it works out when I do.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2024, 1:16 PM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Oops, you are correct, the uniq command should have -w 34 list.of.files
> not -w list.of.files.  Sorry!  (here's what I'd typed and what I should
> have cut/pasted:
>
> root@rusty-MS-7851:/backups1/backup_system_v2# uniq -c -d -w 34
> sorted.new_filesA.md5|less ; wc -l sorted.new_filesA.md5
> 42279 sorted.new_filesA.md5
> root@rusty-MS-7851:/backups1/backup_system_v2# uniq -c -d -w 34
> sorted.new_filesA.md5
>
> sorry again!)
>
>
> Also, if you want to get a list of files and their MD5 sums from 'higher
> up' in the directory tree, just change the starting directory in your
> find command to that higher up location. However, you might need to run
> the entire find and md5sum sequence as root, if the directories (and
> files) you care about don't have read permission for you.  (so, to find
> ALL files everywhere on your computer, change the ~ to /. You'll
> certainly get lots of permission denied errors if you do that as
> yourself and not root. But starting at / will traverse ALL directories
> on your computer, including /dev, and others you probably don't care
> about.  There are some useful options to find (like, don't go to a
> different filesystem) you might want to use, see man page for find to
> find them ;-)
>
> On 9/30/24 07:05, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > thank you so much! After running it I find it only finds the duplicates
> in
> > ~. I need to find the duplicates across all the directories under home.
> > after looking at the man file and searching for recu it seems it recurses
> > by default unless I am reading it wrong.
> > I tried the uniq command but:
> >
> >   uniq -c -d -w list.of.files
> >   uniq: list.of.files: invalid number of bytes to compare
> >
> > isn't uniq used to find the differences between two files? I have
> > a very rudimentary understanding of linux so I'm sure I'm wrong
> >
> > all the files in list.of.files are invisible files. (prefaced with a
> > period))
> > and isn't there a way to sort things depending on their column (column1
> > md5sum, column2 file name)
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 2:56 AM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
> > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/28/24 21:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> About a year ago I messed up by accidently copying a folder  with other
> >>> folders into another folder. I'm running out of room and need to find
> >> that
> >>> directory tree and get rid of it. All I know for certain is that it is
> >>> somewhere in my home directory. I THINK it is my pictures directory
> with
> >>> ARW files.
> >>> chatgpt told me to use fdupes but it told me to use an exclude option
> >>> (which I found out it doesn't have) to avoid config files (and I was
> >>> planning on adding to that as I discovered other stuff I didn't want).
> >> then
> >>> it told me to use find but I got an error which leads me to believe it
> >>> doesn't know what it's talking about!
> >>> coul;d someone help me out?
> >>>
> >> First, someone said you need to run updatedb before running find.  No,
> >> sorry, updatedb is for using locate, not find.  Find actively walks the
> >> directory tree.  Locate searches the text (I think) database built by
> >> updatedb.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok, now to answer the question.  I've got a similar situation, but in
> >> spades.  Every time I did a backup, I did an entire copy of everything,
> >> so I've got ... oh, 10, 20, 30 copies of many things. I'm working on
> >> scripts to help reduce that, but for now doing it somewhat manually, I
> >> suggest the following command:
> >>
> >>
> >> cd (the directory of interest, possibly your home dir) ; find . -type f
> >> -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum | sort > list.of.files
> >>
> >> this will create a list of files, sorted by their md5sum.  If you want
> >> to be lazy and not search that file for duplicate md5sums, consider
> >> uniq.  Like this:
> >>
> >> uniq -c -d -w list.of.files
> >>
> >>
> >> This will print the list of files which are duplicates.  For example,
> >> out of a list of 42,279 files in a certain directory on my computer,
> >> here's the result:
> >>
> >> 2 73d249df037f6e63022e5cfa8d0c959b
> >>
> >>
> _files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160321-223138.png
> >> 5 9b162ac35214691461cc0f0104fb91ce
> >> _files/melissa/Documents/EPHESUS/Office Stuff/SPD/SPD SUMMER 2016
> (1).pdf
> >> 3 b396af67f2cd75658397efd878a01fb8
> >> _files/dads_zipdisks/2003-1/CLASS at VBC Sp-03/CLASS BKUP - Music
> >> Reading & Sight Singing Class/C  & D Major & Minor Scales & Chords.mct
> >> 2 cd83094e0c4aeb9128806b5168444578
> >>
> >>
> _files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot

Re: ChatGPT ...

[Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss]

Oops, you are correct, the uniq command should have -w 34 list.of.files 
not -w list.of.files.  Sorry!  (here's what I'd typed and what I should 
have cut/pasted:


root@rusty-MS-7851:/backups1/backup_system_v2# uniq -c -d -w 34 
sorted.new_filesA.md5|less ; wc -l sorted.new_filesA.md5

42279 sorted.new_filesA.md5
root@rusty-MS-7851:/backups1/backup_system_v2# uniq -c -d -w 34 
sorted.new_filesA.md5


sorry again!)


Also, if you want to get a list of files and their MD5 sums from 'higher 
up' in the directory tree, just change the starting directory in your 
find command to that higher up location. However, you might need to run 
the entire find and md5sum sequence as root, if the directories (and 
files) you care about don't have read permission for you.  (so, to find 
ALL files everywhere on your computer, change the ~ to /. You'll 
certainly get lots of permission denied errors if you do that as 
yourself and not root. But starting at / will traverse ALL directories 
on your computer, including /dev, and others you probably don't care 
about.  There are some useful options to find (like, don't go to a 
different filesystem) you might want to use, see man page for find to 
find them ;-)


On 9/30/24 07:05, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

thank you so much! After running it I find it only finds the duplicates in
~. I need to find the duplicates across all the directories under home.
after looking at the man file and searching for recu it seems it recurses
by default unless I am reading it wrong.
I tried the uniq command but:

  uniq -c -d -w list.of.files
  uniq: list.of.files: invalid number of bytes to compare

isn't uniq used to find the differences between two files? I have
a very rudimentary understanding of linux so I'm sure I'm wrong

all the files in list.of.files are invisible files. (prefaced with a
period))
and isn't there a way to sort things depending on their column (column1
md5sum, column2 file name)

On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 2:56 AM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:


On 9/28/24 21:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

About a year ago I messed up by accidently copying a folder  with other
folders into another folder. I'm running out of room and need to find

that

directory tree and get rid of it. All I know for certain is that it is
somewhere in my home directory. I THINK it is my pictures directory with
ARW files.
chatgpt told me to use fdupes but it told me to use an exclude option
(which I found out it doesn't have) to avoid config files (and I was
planning on adding to that as I discovered other stuff I didn't want).

then

it told me to use find but I got an error which leads me to believe it
doesn't know what it's talking about!
coul;d someone help me out?


First, someone said you need to run updatedb before running find.  No,
sorry, updatedb is for using locate, not find.  Find actively walks the
directory tree.  Locate searches the text (I think) database built by
updatedb.


Ok, now to answer the question.  I've got a similar situation, but in
spades.  Every time I did a backup, I did an entire copy of everything,
so I've got ... oh, 10, 20, 30 copies of many things. I'm working on
scripts to help reduce that, but for now doing it somewhat manually, I
suggest the following command:


cd (the directory of interest, possibly your home dir) ; find . -type f
-print0 | xargs -0 md5sum | sort > list.of.files

this will create a list of files, sorted by their md5sum.  If you want
to be lazy and not search that file for duplicate md5sums, consider
uniq.  Like this:

uniq -c -d -w list.of.files


This will print the list of files which are duplicates.  For example,
out of a list of 42,279 files in a certain directory on my computer,
here's the result:

2 73d249df037f6e63022e5cfa8d0c959b

_files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160321-223138.png
5 9b162ac35214691461cc0f0104fb91ce
_files/melissa/Documents/EPHESUS/Office Stuff/SPD/SPD SUMMER 2016 (1).pdf
3 b396af67f2cd75658397efd878a01fb8
_files/dads_zipdisks/2003-1/CLASS at VBC Sp-03/CLASS BKUP - Music
Reading & Sight Singing Class/C  & D Major & Minor Scales & Chords.mct
2 cd83094e0c4aeb9128806b5168444578

_files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160318-222051.png
2 d1a5a1bec046cc85a3a3fd53a8d5be86

_files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160410-145331.png
2 fa681c54a2bd7cfa590ddb8cf6ca1cea

_files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160312-113340.png

Originally the _files directory had MANY duplicates, now I've managed to
get that down to the above list...

Anyway, there you go.  Happy scripting.

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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

thank you so much! After running it I find it only finds the duplicates in
~. I need to find the duplicates across all the directories under home.
after looking at the man file and searching for recu it seems it recurses
by default unless I am reading it wrong.
I tried the uniq command but:

 uniq -c -d -w list.of.files
 uniq: list.of.files: invalid number of bytes to compare

isn't uniq used to find the differences between two files? I have
a very rudimentary understanding of linux so I'm sure I'm wrong

all the files in list.of.files are invisible files. (prefaced with a
period))
and isn't there a way to sort things depending on their column (column1
md5sum, column2 file name)

On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 2:56 AM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
> On 9/28/24 21:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > About a year ago I messed up by accidently copying a folder  with other
> > folders into another folder. I'm running out of room and need to find
> that
> > directory tree and get rid of it. All I know for certain is that it is
> > somewhere in my home directory. I THINK it is my pictures directory with
> > ARW files.
> > chatgpt told me to use fdupes but it told me to use an exclude option
> > (which I found out it doesn't have) to avoid config files (and I was
> > planning on adding to that as I discovered other stuff I didn't want).
> then
> > it told me to use find but I got an error which leads me to believe it
> > doesn't know what it's talking about!
> > coul;d someone help me out?
> >
> First, someone said you need to run updatedb before running find.  No,
> sorry, updatedb is for using locate, not find.  Find actively walks the
> directory tree.  Locate searches the text (I think) database built by
> updatedb.
>
>
> Ok, now to answer the question.  I've got a similar situation, but in
> spades.  Every time I did a backup, I did an entire copy of everything,
> so I've got ... oh, 10, 20, 30 copies of many things. I'm working on
> scripts to help reduce that, but for now doing it somewhat manually, I
> suggest the following command:
>
>
> cd (the directory of interest, possibly your home dir) ; find . -type f
> -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum | sort > list.of.files
>
> this will create a list of files, sorted by their md5sum.  If you want
> to be lazy and not search that file for duplicate md5sums, consider
> uniq.  Like this:
>
> uniq -c -d -w list.of.files
>
>
> This will print the list of files which are duplicates.  For example,
> out of a list of 42,279 files in a certain directory on my computer,
> here's the result:
>
>2 73d249df037f6e63022e5cfa8d0c959b
>
> _files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160321-223138.png
>5 9b162ac35214691461cc0f0104fb91ce
> _files/melissa/Documents/EPHESUS/Office Stuff/SPD/SPD SUMMER 2016 (1).pdf
>3 b396af67f2cd75658397efd878a01fb8
> _files/dads_zipdisks/2003-1/CLASS at VBC Sp-03/CLASS BKUP - Music
> Reading & Sight Singing Class/C  & D Major & Minor Scales & Chords.mct
>2 cd83094e0c4aeb9128806b5168444578
>
> _files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160318-222051.png
>2 d1a5a1bec046cc85a3a3fd53a8d5be86
>
> _files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160410-145331.png
>2 fa681c54a2bd7cfa590ddb8cf6ca1cea
>
> _files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160312-113340.png
>
> Originally the _files directory had MANY duplicates, now I've managed to
> get that down to the above list...
>
> Anyway, there you go.  Happy scripting.
>
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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss]

On 9/28/24 21:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

About a year ago I messed up by accidently copying a folder  with other
folders into another folder. I'm running out of room and need to find that
directory tree and get rid of it. All I know for certain is that it is
somewhere in my home directory. I THINK it is my pictures directory with
ARW files.
chatgpt told me to use fdupes but it told me to use an exclude option
(which I found out it doesn't have) to avoid config files (and I was
planning on adding to that as I discovered other stuff I didn't want). then
it told me to use find but I got an error which leads me to believe it
doesn't know what it's talking about!
coul;d someone help me out?

First, someone said you need to run updatedb before running find.  No, 
sorry, updatedb is for using locate, not find.  Find actively walks the 
directory tree.  Locate searches the text (I think) database built by 
updatedb.



Ok, now to answer the question.  I've got a similar situation, but in 
spades.  Every time I did a backup, I did an entire copy of everything, 
so I've got ... oh, 10, 20, 30 copies of many things. I'm working on 
scripts to help reduce that, but for now doing it somewhat manually, I 
suggest the following command:



cd (the directory of interest, possibly your home dir) ; find . -type f 
-print0 | xargs -0 md5sum | sort > list.of.files


this will create a list of files, sorted by their md5sum.  If you want 
to be lazy and not search that file for duplicate md5sums, consider 
uniq.  Like this:


uniq -c -d -w list.of.files


This will print the list of files which are duplicates.  For example, 
out of a list of 42,279 files in a certain directory on my computer, 
here's the result:


  2 73d249df037f6e63022e5cfa8d0c959b 
_files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160321-223138.png
  5 9b162ac35214691461cc0f0104fb91ce 
_files/melissa/Documents/EPHESUS/Office Stuff/SPD/SPD SUMMER 2016 (1).pdf
  3 b396af67f2cd75658397efd878a01fb8 
_files/dads_zipdisks/2003-1/CLASS at VBC Sp-03/CLASS BKUP - Music 
Reading & Sight Singing Class/C  & D Major & Minor Scales & Chords.mct
  2 cd83094e0c4aeb9128806b5168444578 
_files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160318-222051.png
  2 d1a5a1bec046cc85a3a3fd53a8d5be86 
_files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160410-145331.png
  2 fa681c54a2bd7cfa590ddb8cf6ca1cea 
_files/from_ebay_pc/pics_and_such_from_work/phone_backup/try2_nonptp_or_whatever/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot_20160312-113340.png


Originally the _files directory had MANY duplicates, now I've managed to 
get that down to the above list...


Anyway, there you go.  Happy scripting.

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Re: ChatGPT ...

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Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 29 Sep 2024 08:32:23
-0700

>Yeah, I use the paid version (4o) all the time for code. It gives you
>wrong stuff all the time, but I've found that it's about 80%-90%
>correct, but it's the little stuff. Like yesterday I was writing some
>Ansible automation and it gave me a suggestion on a module, but it
>included an option that didn't exist. I wouldn't have known it if
>VSCode hadn't refused to highlight it like the other code. That forced
>me to go RTFM and I was able to eventually figure it out.
>
>I think A.I. and coding will get you *almost* there, but it takes your
>own knowledge and human intuition to get you over the finish line.

Another thing Chatgpt is good for is discovering and defining terms. A
lot of times the hardest thing about technology is learning what the
terms represent, and their relationship to each other.

SteveT

Steve Litt 

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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

I've done a lot of experimenting using the free version of ChatGPT.  I 
find it makes good quality PHP code.  It often requires I refine the 
prompt. So far it has not given me any erroneous code.



On 2024-09-29 08:32, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:

Yeah, I use the paid version (4o) all the time for code. It gives you
wrong stuff all the time, but I've found that it's about 80%-90%
correct, but it's the little stuff. Like yesterday I was writing some
Ansible automation and it gave me a suggestion on a module, but it
included an option that didn't exist. I wouldn't have known it if
VSCode hadn't refused to highlight it like the other code. That forced
me to go RTFM and I was able to eventually figure it out.

I think A.I. and coding will get you *almost* there, but it takes your
own knowledge and human intuition to get you over the finish line.

--
Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro

On Sun, Sep 29, 2024, 05:49 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:


chatgpt does have what they call hallucinations.

I've had some success with find.  As I recall you will need to run
updatedb before running find. I've never used any advanced searches
so I
look forward to hearing the solutions of others.

On 2024-09-28 21:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

About a year ago I messed up by accidently copying a folder  with
other folders into another folder. I'm running out of room and

need to

find that directory tree and get rid of it. All I know for certain

is

that it is somewhere in my home directory. I THINK it is my

pictures

directory with ARW files.
chatgpt told me to use fdupes but it told me to use an exclude

option

(which I found out it doesn't have) to avoid config files (and I

was

planning on adding to that as I discovered other stuff I didn't

want).

then it told me to use find but I got an error which leads me to
believe it doesn't know what it's talking about!coul;d someone

help me

out?
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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

Yeah, I use the paid version (4o) all the time for code. It gives you wrong
stuff all the time, but I've found that it's about 80%-90% correct, but
it's the little stuff. Like yesterday I was writing some Ansible automation
and it gave me a suggestion on a module, but it included an option that
didn't exist. I wouldn't have known it if VSCode hadn't refused to
highlight it like the other code. That forced me to go RTFM and I was able
to eventually figure it out.

I think A.I. and coding will get you *almost* there, but it takes your own
knowledge and human intuition to get you over the finish line.

--
Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro

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plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> chatgpt does have what they call hallucinations.
>
> I've had some success with find.  As I recall you will need to run
> updatedb before running find. I've never used any advanced searches so I
> look forward to hearing the solutions of others.
>
>
> On 2024-09-28 21:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > About a year ago I messed up by accidently copying a folder  with
> > other folders into another folder. I'm running out of room and need to
> > find that directory tree and get rid of it. All I know for certain is
> > that it is somewhere in my home directory. I THINK it is my pictures
> > directory with ARW files.
> > chatgpt told me to use fdupes but it told me to use an exclude option
> > (which I found out it doesn't have) to avoid config files (and I was
> > planning on adding to that as I discovered other stuff I didn't want).
> > then it told me to use find but I got an error which leads me to
> > believe it doesn't know what it's talking about!coul;d someone help me
> > out?
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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

chatgpt does have what they call hallucinations.

I've had some success with find.  As I recall you will need to run 
updatedb before running find. I've never used any advanced searches so I 
look forward to hearing the solutions of others.



On 2024-09-28 21:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

About a year ago I messed up by accidently copying a folder  with
other folders into another folder. I'm running out of room and need to
find that directory tree and get rid of it. All I know for certain is
that it is somewhere in my home directory. I THINK it is my pictures
directory with ARW files.
chatgpt told me to use fdupes but it told me to use an exclude option
(which I found out it doesn't have) to avoid config files (and I was
planning on adding to that as I discovered other stuff I didn't want).
then it told me to use find but I got an error which leads me to
believe it doesn't know what it's talking about!coul;d someone help me
out?
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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

About a year ago I messed up by accidently copying a folder  with other
folders into another folder. I'm running out of room and need to find that
directory tree and get rid of it. All I know for certain is that it is
somewhere in my home directory. I THINK it is my pictures directory with
ARW files.
chatgpt told me to use fdupes but it told me to use an exclude option
(which I found out it doesn't have) to avoid config files (and I was
planning on adding to that as I discovered other stuff I didn't want). then
it told me to use find but I got an error which leads me to believe it
doesn't know what it's talking about!
coul;d someone help me out?
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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

duplicate files

On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 7:45 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDyjIIGaxQ
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2024, 6:46 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Very Cool!!!
>>
>> On 2024-09-25 12:53, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > The attached photo shows my most favorite part of A.I. (in this
>> > example, ChatGPT) ... wherein you can ask it a question that you
>> > couldn't ever "Google" and it comes back with exactly what you're
>> > looking for.
>> >
>> > Just wanted to share. That is all.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Thanks,
>> > Alexander
>> >
>> > Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDyjIIGaxQ

On Thu, Sep 26, 2024, 6:46 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Very Cool!!!
>
> On 2024-09-25 12:53, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > The attached photo shows my most favorite part of A.I. (in this
> > example, ChatGPT) ... wherein you can ask it a question that you
> > couldn't ever "Google" and it comes back with exactly what you're
> > looking for.
> >
> > Just wanted to share. That is all.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Alexander
> >
> > Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
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Re: ChatGPT ...

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Very Cool!!!

On 2024-09-25 12:53, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:

The attached photo shows my most favorite part of A.I. (in this
example, ChatGPT) ... wherein you can ask it a question that you
couldn't ever "Google" and it comes back with exactly what you're
looking for.

Just wanted to share. That is all.

--
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Re: Google’s antitrust ruling

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I have not yet. I would be interested in seeing what their prompts are for
sure.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 9:51 AM  wrote:

> Thanks I'll have to look into it.
>
> Have you tested Google AI for programming?  I tested Chat for PHP
> programming and found the more refined the prompt the better the code it
> provides.
>
> Ran into a freelance PHP developer that uses AI to generate code for his
> projects.
>
>
> On 2024-09-25 06:39, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > Well it is inevitable given how long they have been working on Ai in
> > other areas. I do like it's delivery better than chatgpt. Not sure
> > which is better yet. Their Ai integration to search is really nice
> > tho.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 9:37 AM  wrote:
> >
> >> I use the free version of ChatGPT.
> >>
> >> What are your thoughts on Google AI and what are your thoughts on
> >> Google
> >> getting into AI?
> >>
> >> On 2024-09-25 06:31, Stephen Partington wrote:
> >>> Have you tried Google Ai?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 3:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi,
> 
>  I must be living under a rock,  I had not heard of this until
> >> today.
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
> https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/07/googles-antitrust-ruling-bears-resemblance-to-microsoft-monopoly-case.html
> 
>  The number one search engine is Google and number 2 is YouTube.
> >> I
>  have
>  never gotten a lead from any search engine except Google.
> 
>  I will agree that ChatGPT will bring lots of competition to
> >> google.
>  I
>  use Chat daily and the information it returns far exceeds Google.
> 
>  However I do not think Chat is going to bring me and business
> >> leads.
> 
>  Keith
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Re: Google’s antitrust ruling

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks I'll have to look into it.

Have you tested Google AI for programming?  I tested Chat for PHP 
programming and found the more refined the prompt the better the code it 
provides.


Ran into a freelance PHP developer that uses AI to generate code for his 
projects.



On 2024-09-25 06:39, Stephen Partington wrote:

Well it is inevitable given how long they have been working on Ai in
other areas. I do like it's delivery better than chatgpt. Not sure
which is better yet. Their Ai integration to search is really nice
tho.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 9:37 AM  wrote:


I use the free version of ChatGPT.

What are your thoughts on Google AI and what are your thoughts on
Google
getting into AI?

On 2024-09-25 06:31, Stephen Partington wrote:

Have you tried Google Ai?

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 3:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:


Hi,

I must be living under a rock,  I had not heard of this until

today.








https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/07/googles-antitrust-ruling-bears-resemblance-to-microsoft-monopoly-case.html


The number one search engine is Google and number 2 is YouTube.

I

have
never gotten a lead from any search engine except Google.

I will agree that ChatGPT will bring lots of competition to

google.

I
use Chat daily and the information it returns far exceeds Google.

However I do not think Chat is going to bring me and business

leads.


Keith

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Re: Google’s antitrust ruling

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Well it is inevitable given how long they have been working on Ai in other
areas. I do like it's delivery better than chatgpt. Not sure which is
better yet. Their Ai integration to search is really nice tho.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 9:37 AM  wrote:

>
> I use the free version of ChatGPT.
>
> What are your thoughts on Google AI and what are your thoughts on Google
> getting into AI?
>
>
>
> On 2024-09-25 06:31, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > Have you tried Google Ai?
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 3:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I must be living under a rock,  I had not heard of this until today.
> >>
> >>
> >
> https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/07/googles-antitrust-ruling-bears-resemblance-to-microsoft-monopoly-case.html
> >>
> >> The number one search engine is Google and number 2 is YouTube.  I
> >> have
> >> never gotten a lead from any search engine except Google.
> >>
> >> I will agree that ChatGPT will bring lots of competition to google.
> >> I
> >> use Chat daily and the information it returns far exceeds Google.
> >>
> >> However I do not think Chat is going to bring me and business leads.
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
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Re: Google’s antitrust ruling

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

I use the free version of ChatGPT.

What are your thoughts on Google AI and what are your thoughts on Google 
getting into AI?




On 2024-09-25 06:31, Stephen Partington wrote:

Have you tried Google Ai?

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 3:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:


Hi,

I must be living under a rock,  I had not heard of this until today.



https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/07/googles-antitrust-ruling-bears-resemblance-to-microsoft-monopoly-case.html


The number one search engine is Google and number 2 is YouTube.  I
have
never gotten a lead from any search engine except Google.

I will agree that ChatGPT will bring lots of competition to google.
I
use Chat daily and the information it returns far exceeds Google.

However I do not think Chat is going to bring me and business leads.

Keith

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Re: Google’s antitrust ruling

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Have you tried Google Ai?

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 3:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I must be living under a rock,  I had not heard of this until today.
>
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/07/googles-antitrust-ruling-bears-resemblance-to-microsoft-monopoly-case.html
>
> The number one search engine is Google and number 2 is YouTube.  I have
> never gotten a lead from any search engine except Google.
>
> I will agree that ChatGPT will bring lots of competition to google.  I
> use Chat daily and the information it returns far exceeds Google.
>
> However I do not think Chat is going to bring me and business leads.
>
> Keith
>
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Re: Interesting trivia

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Parsons was a Vietnam Vet.  He became an accountant and failed several 
times in selling his software.  I read someplace that Parsons was able 
to not pay taxes on GoDaddy for many years because he understood how 
thing worked.


It is also my understanding he sold a managing share in Godaddy and 
retained several billion in ownership.


I hear he has heavily invested in Phoenix real estate.

My personal experience is that Parsons built a very harsh business.  I 
worked there for a year and it was a toxic work environment.  Everyone I 
knew got fired.  I made an exit after only  a year.  Turnover what 
amazing.


I learned a lot and it helped me start a freelance PHP business.  I 
fielded maybe 5000 inbound teach and sales calls (level 1) in that year. 
Learning how to talk with people about hosting and website issues while 
selling to them, turned out to be a valuable skill for me.



On 2024-09-23 13:03, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote:
From the customer side, I wrote Parsons Technology a letter asking why 
Tax Edge didn't have an option for Hawaii. The next year, it would fill 
out the form, but couldn't print it due to not being approved by the 
State. I did a side-by-side comparison of Tax Edge, Turbo Tax, and 
TaxAct (I think). Parsons Tax Edge was the best of the three. Two years 
after the purchase of PT, Turbo Tax improved dramatically, and I've 
always credited the improvement with scavenging the Tax Edge product's 
code base.


Regards,

George Toft

On 9/18/2024 7:53 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
On September 27, 1994, Parsons completed the sale of Parsons 
Technology to Intuit, Inc. for $64 million.  This was the start of 
Quickbooks.


Bob Parsons is the founder of GoDaddy.
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Re: Interesting trivia

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From the customer side, I wrote Parsons Technology a letter asking why 
Tax Edge didn't have an option for Hawaii. The next year, it would fill 
out the form, but couldn't print it due to not being approved by the 
State. I did a side-by-side comparison of Tax Edge, Turbo Tax, and 
TaxAct (I think). Parsons Tax Edge was the best of the three. Two years 
after the purchase of PT, Turbo Tax improved dramatically, and I've 
always credited the improvement with scavenging the Tax Edge product's 
code base.


Regards,

George Toft

On 9/18/2024 7:53 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
On September 27, 1994, Parsons completed the sale of Parsons 
Technology to Intuit, Inc. for $64 million.  This was the start of 
Quickbooks.


Bob Parsons is the founder of GoDaddy.
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Re: Quickbooks

[Pablo Camacho via PLUG-discuss]

By BSEE, do you mean Bachelor in Science in Electrical Engineering?

On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 4:57 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
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> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:32:20 -0700
>
> >3) I learned about the Hedgehog concept at almost 50.  I wish I would
> >have learned about it earlier.
>
> If you're like me and didn't know what the Hedgehog concept is, see
> this:
>
> https://www.jimcollins.com/concepts/the-hedgehog-concept.html
>
> On the Venn diagram, "best in the world" is a gross oversimplification.
> I *might* be the best in the world at describing the mindset and
> process of troubleshooting, but there are probably 100 competitors
> right there up with me. I might have even taught some of them. I'm
> nowhere near the world's best at anything else, and have a hunch few
> other people are the world's best at anything. I wish he'd said "damn
> good" instead of "best in the world".
>
> Other than that, the concept is right on target. I'll bet Jim Collins'
> book tells you *how* to find such a profession, because unlike the
> concept itself, how to achieve the concept isn't at all obvious.
>
> True story: I loved bicycles, especially Schwinn bicycles, riding
> bicyles, all things bicycles, and thought bicycles were the key to
> improving the world. In a lot of ways, I still do. Anyway, in 1974
> after graduating college, I called the Schwinn company, telling them
> about my passion for bicycles and my engineering degree. The guy on the
> phone, probably some underpaid HR dweeb, said "you sound like a jobless
> BSEE who's desperate".
>
> Schwinn really blew it. I would have been a real asset to them.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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Re: Quickbooks

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

On 2024-09-20 16:49, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:32:20 -0700


3) I learned about the Hedgehog concept at almost 50.  I wish I would
have learned about it earlier.


If you're like me and didn't know what the Hedgehog concept is, see
this:

https://www.jimcollins.com/concepts/the-hedgehog-concept.html

On the Venn diagram, "best in the world" is a gross oversimplification.
I *might* be the best in the world at describing the mindset and
process of troubleshooting, but there are probably 100 competitors
right there up with me. I might have even taught some of them. I'm
nowhere near the world's best at anything else, and have a hunch few
other people are the world's best at anything. I wish he'd said "damn
good" instead of "best in the world".


There are two Hedgehog concepts.  One for business and one that is 
personal.


In business he talks about being the best in the world.  When applying 
the personal Hedgehog, it is not how good you are it is what you were 
created to do.  As example in H.S. I was not very good at sports, 
however I had a knack for working on Muscle cars.  We are talking 
natural talent.  What you are inherently gifted to do.


There is 3 criteria 1) what where you created to do, 2) what are you 
deeply passion about, and 3) what drives your economic engine.  In the 
Venn diagram each would be in a circle and the intersection is your 
Personal Hedgehog.  When you find something that meets all three you 
have a winner.  And maybe we all have more than one.


His book, "Good to Great", is about business.





Other than that, the concept is right on target. I'll bet Jim Collins'
book tells you *how* to find such a profession, because unlike the
concept itself, how to achieve the concept isn't at all obvious.

True story: I loved bicycles, especially Schwinn bicycles, riding
bicyles, all things bicycles, and thought bicycles were the key to
improving the world. In a lot of ways, I still do. Anyway, in 1974
after graduating college, I called the Schwinn company, telling them
about my passion for bicycles and my engineering degree. The guy on the
phone, probably some underpaid HR dweeb, said "you sound like a jobless
BSEE who's desperate".

Schwinn really blew it. I would have been a real asset to them.

SteveT

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Re: Quickbooks

[Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss]

Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:32:20 -0700

>3) I learned about the Hedgehog concept at almost 50.  I wish I would 
>have learned about it earlier.

If you're like me and didn't know what the Hedgehog concept is, see
this:

https://www.jimcollins.com/concepts/the-hedgehog-concept.html

On the Venn diagram, "best in the world" is a gross oversimplification.
I *might* be the best in the world at describing the mindset and
process of troubleshooting, but there are probably 100 competitors
right there up with me. I might have even taught some of them. I'm
nowhere near the world's best at anything else, and have a hunch few
other people are the world's best at anything. I wish he'd said "damn
good" instead of "best in the world".

Other than that, the concept is right on target. I'll bet Jim Collins'
book tells you *how* to find such a profession, because unlike the
concept itself, how to achieve the concept isn't at all obvious.

True story: I loved bicycles, especially Schwinn bicycles, riding
bicyles, all things bicycles, and thought bicycles were the key to
improving the world. In a lot of ways, I still do. Anyway, in 1974
after graduating college, I called the Schwinn company, telling them
about my passion for bicycles and my engineering degree. The guy on the
phone, probably some underpaid HR dweeb, said "you sound like a jobless
BSEE who's desperate".

Schwinn really blew it. I would have been a real asset to them.

SteveT

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Re: Quickbooks

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

I'm an old guy so I have failed more than a few time.  I've learned a 
lot and I hope I can apply that learning to my latter years.


Couple of things:

1) I was easy distracted so the project I was working on would fail or 
just not reach it's potential.  Now I no longer allow shiny objects 
distract me.
2) I was not the intentional man that I needed to be.  I did not always 
research, make a plan, and work my plan.  Multiple times I let the wind 
decide my course.  That caused me not to be as successful as I would 
have liked to have been.
3) I learned about the Hedgehog concept at almost 50.  I wish I would 
have learned about it earlier.


I think the starting point for any project is the PERSONAL Hedgehog 
concept (there is a Hedgehog concept for business and one for a person). 
Be intentional and do not let distractions kill your success.


Learn how to make a business plan and take the time to figure out what 
is right for you and your business.




On 2024-09-19 09:44, Michael wrote:

Thanks for the advice.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2024 at 11:31 AM  wrote:


I think you need to do some research and create a business plan that

will answer this questions as well.  You need to identify what
services
you will be offering, what skills you need, what equipment is
required,
how to get customers, what to charge, etc.

On 2024-09-18 09:38, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

probably not; huh?

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 12:35 PM Michael 

wrote:



thanks, buddy. I already have the laptop with Windows 10 (I

think)

so I'm good where that is concerned. Which quickbooks do you guys
think I should use for bookkeeping. is self-employed good enough?

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:54 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:


Hi Michael,

Sounds like a good idea.  I recently saw and ad that said
bookkeepers
are in demand.  Keep in mind it was a advertisement.

If you want to do this I would consider Quickbooks so you can
exchange
data with your customers.

I used the search phrase "does intuit offer free training in
quickbooks"
on Google and it returned:

---
QuickBooks Online Certification trainings and exams are free to
accounting pros and available in QuickBooks Online Accountant.
Gain
skills to better service your clients while earning credentials
that
keep your practice growing.
---

There was this link directly below :


https://quickbooks.intuit.com/accountants/training-certification/


The Google query "Can QuickBooks be self taught?" returned a

bunch

of
info such as:

---
Yes, you absolutely can. You'll lose access to Live QuickBooks
Help and
Instructor-led classes, but you'll keep lifetime access to ALL

60+


self-paced classes for LIFE. That includes all class updates
- we update classes when QuickBooks changes
- and any new self-paced classes we add.
---

I would recommend you put together a business plan that includes
what it
will take to run Windows and pay for the Intuit training.
This will help in your decision making.  This should include a
marking
plan - how are you going to acquire customers.

I run Win 10 because my video editing software is Windows only.

I have an old laptop that runs windows. I bought it new maybe 8
years
ago and have kept it in good condition.  I assume something like
this
might work.  My battery is still good so I am thinking this

laptop

might
be worth $100 - $200.

Another option is to load VirtualBox on your Linux box and

create

a
Windows guest configured for your needs.

The laptop I mentioned has 2 core/4 thread CPU which I upgraded
from 8G
of RAM to 16G of RAM.  I've evaluated it a lot and it never
utilized
more than 8GB of RAM and the CPU often spikes to 100% and then
goes down
to 60 to 70%. I think this means if I had a more powerful CPU it
might
use more RAM.

Based on my experience your Windows configuration will need 8GB

of

RAM
to run windows and Quickbooks. Browsers hog RAM so keep that in
mind.

I'm excited for you Michael

Keith

On 2024-09-18 06:55, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I know, I know this is a Linux group and Quickbooks is a

windows

thing. I was hoping to learn Quickbooks [or the linux

equivalent] and

to start a Bookkeeping business. I have a few questions:
1- Does it work under Wine? Chat gpt says partially.
2- I've heard that you don't need an accounting degree. Is that

true?

Chatgpt says it isn't necessary.
3- What is the Linux equivalent? Chatgpt mentioned odoo (as

well

as

the usual suspects). I like the idea of odoo due to the fact

that you

can get semi-formal training on Udemy. (I wanted to probe

further with

chatgpt about odoo but it became unresponsive (the enter button

grayed

out)/
4- Where can I get training for Quickbooks (or the Linux

equivalent)?

5- Where can I get a copy of Quickbooks for a low price if that

is the

best path to take? Like, you can get Windows for about $15 so

why not

Quickbooks? (gpt said I couldn't)
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Re: Quickbooks

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks for the advice.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2024 at 11:31 AM  wrote:

> I think you need to do some research and create a business plan that
> will answer this questions as well.  You need to identify what services
> you will be offering, what skills you need, what equipment is required,
> how to get customers, what to charge, etc.
>
>
>
> On 2024-09-18 09:38, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > probably not; huh?
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 12:35 PM Michael  wrote:
> >
> >> thanks, buddy. I already have the laptop with Windows 10 (I think)
> >> so I'm good where that is concerned. Which quickbooks do you guys
> >> think I should use for bookkeeping. is self-employed good enough?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:54 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Michael,
> >>>
> >>> Sounds like a good idea.  I recently saw and ad that said
> >>> bookkeepers
> >>> are in demand.  Keep in mind it was a advertisement.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to do this I would consider Quickbooks so you can
> >>> exchange
> >>> data with your customers.
> >>>
> >>> I used the search phrase "does intuit offer free training in
> >>> quickbooks"
> >>> on Google and it returned:
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> QuickBooks Online Certification trainings and exams are free to
> >>> accounting pros and available in QuickBooks Online Accountant.
> >>> Gain
> >>> skills to better service your clients while earning credentials
> >>> that
> >>> keep your practice growing.
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> There was this link directly below :
> >>> https://quickbooks.intuit.com/accountants/training-certification/
> >>>
> >>> The Google query "Can QuickBooks be self taught?" returned a bunch
> >>> of
> >>> info such as:
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Yes, you absolutely can. You'll lose access to Live QuickBooks
> >>> Help and
> >>> Instructor-led classes, but you'll keep lifetime access to ALL 60+
> >>>
> >>> self-paced classes for LIFE. That includes all class updates
> >>> - we update classes when QuickBooks changes
> >>> - and any new self-paced classes we add.
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> I would recommend you put together a business plan that includes
> >>> what it
> >>> will take to run Windows and pay for the Intuit training.
> >>> This will help in your decision making.  This should include a
> >>> marking
> >>> plan - how are you going to acquire customers.
> >>>
> >>> I run Win 10 because my video editing software is Windows only.
> >>>
> >>> I have an old laptop that runs windows. I bought it new maybe 8
> >>> years
> >>> ago and have kept it in good condition.  I assume something like
> >>> this
> >>> might work.  My battery is still good so I am thinking this laptop
> >>> might
> >>> be worth $100 - $200.
> >>>
> >>> Another option is to load VirtualBox on your Linux box and create
> >>> a
> >>> Windows guest configured for your needs.
> >>>
> >>> The laptop I mentioned has 2 core/4 thread CPU which I upgraded
> >>> from 8G
> >>> of RAM to 16G of RAM.  I've evaluated it a lot and it never
> >>> utilized
> >>> more than 8GB of RAM and the CPU often spikes to 100% and then
> >>> goes down
> >>> to 60 to 70%. I think this means if I had a more powerful CPU it
> >>> might
> >>> use more RAM.
> >>>
> >>> Based on my experience your Windows configuration will need 8GB of
> >>> RAM
> >>> to run windows and Quickbooks. Browsers hog RAM so keep that in
> >>> mind.
> >>>
> >>> I'm excited for you Michael
> >>>
> >>> Keith
> >>>
> >>> On 2024-09-18 06:55, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>  I know, I know this is a Linux group and Quickbooks is a
> >>> windows
>  thing. I was hoping to learn Quickbooks [or the linux
> >>> equivalent] and
>  to start a Bookkeeping business. I have a few questions:
>  1- Does it work under Wine? Chat gpt says partially.
>  2- I've heard that you don't need an accounting degree. Is that
> >>> true?
>  Chatgpt says it isn't necessary.
>  3- What is the Linux equivalent? Chatgpt mentioned odoo (as well
> >>> as
>  the usual suspects). I like the idea of odoo due to the fact
> >>> that you
>  can get semi-formal training on Udemy. (I wanted to probe
> >>> further with
>  chatgpt about odoo but it became unresponsive (the enter button
> >>> grayed
>  out)/
>  4- Where can I get training for Quickbooks (or the Linux
> >>> equivalent)?
>  5- Where can I get a copy of Quickbooks for a low price if that
> >>> is the
>  best path to take? Like, you can get Windows for about $15 so
> >>> why not
>  Quickbooks? (gpt said I couldn't)
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Re: Quickbooks

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

I think you need to do some research and create a business plan that 
will answer this questions as well.  You need to identify what services 
you will be offering, what skills you need, what equipment is required, 
how to get customers, what to charge, etc.




On 2024-09-18 09:38, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

probably not; huh?

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 12:35 PM Michael  wrote:


thanks, buddy. I already have the laptop with Windows 10 (I think)
so I'm good where that is concerned. Which quickbooks do you guys
think I should use for bookkeeping. is self-employed good enough?

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:54 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:


Hi Michael,

Sounds like a good idea.  I recently saw and ad that said
bookkeepers
are in demand.  Keep in mind it was a advertisement.

If you want to do this I would consider Quickbooks so you can
exchange
data with your customers.

I used the search phrase "does intuit offer free training in
quickbooks"
on Google and it returned:

---
QuickBooks Online Certification trainings and exams are free to
accounting pros and available in QuickBooks Online Accountant.
Gain
skills to better service your clients while earning credentials
that
keep your practice growing.
---

There was this link directly below :
https://quickbooks.intuit.com/accountants/training-certification/

The Google query "Can QuickBooks be self taught?" returned a bunch
of
info such as:

---
Yes, you absolutely can. You'll lose access to Live QuickBooks
Help and
Instructor-led classes, but you'll keep lifetime access to ALL 60+

self-paced classes for LIFE. That includes all class updates
- we update classes when QuickBooks changes
- and any new self-paced classes we add.
---

I would recommend you put together a business plan that includes
what it
will take to run Windows and pay for the Intuit training.
This will help in your decision making.  This should include a
marking
plan - how are you going to acquire customers.

I run Win 10 because my video editing software is Windows only.

I have an old laptop that runs windows. I bought it new maybe 8
years
ago and have kept it in good condition.  I assume something like
this
might work.  My battery is still good so I am thinking this laptop
might
be worth $100 - $200.

Another option is to load VirtualBox on your Linux box and create
a
Windows guest configured for your needs.

The laptop I mentioned has 2 core/4 thread CPU which I upgraded
from 8G
of RAM to 16G of RAM.  I've evaluated it a lot and it never
utilized
more than 8GB of RAM and the CPU often spikes to 100% and then
goes down
to 60 to 70%. I think this means if I had a more powerful CPU it
might
use more RAM.

Based on my experience your Windows configuration will need 8GB of
RAM
to run windows and Quickbooks. Browsers hog RAM so keep that in
mind.

I'm excited for you Michael

Keith

On 2024-09-18 06:55, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I know, I know this is a Linux group and Quickbooks is a

windows

thing. I was hoping to learn Quickbooks [or the linux

equivalent] and

to start a Bookkeeping business. I have a few questions:
1- Does it work under Wine? Chat gpt says partially.
2- I've heard that you don't need an accounting degree. Is that

true?

Chatgpt says it isn't necessary.
3- What is the Linux equivalent? Chatgpt mentioned odoo (as well

as

the usual suspects). I like the idea of odoo due to the fact

that you

can get semi-formal training on Udemy. (I wanted to probe

further with

chatgpt about odoo but it became unresponsive (the enter button

grayed

out)/
4- Where can I get training for Quickbooks (or the Linux

equivalent)?

5- Where can I get a copy of Quickbooks for a low price if that

is the

best path to take? Like, you can get Windows for about $15 so

why not

Quickbooks? (gpt said I couldn't)
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Re: Interesting trivia

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

cool

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:59 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On September 27, 1994, Parsons completed the sale of Parsons Technology
> to Intuit, Inc. for $64 million.  This was the start of Quickbooks.
>
> Bob Parsons is the founder of GoDaddy.
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Re: Quickbooks

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

probably not; huh?

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 12:35 PM Michael  wrote:

> thanks, buddy. I already have the laptop with Windows 10 (I think) so I'm
> good where that is concerned. Which quickbooks do you guys think I should
> use for bookkeeping. is self-employed good enough?
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:54 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Sounds like a good idea.  I recently saw and ad that said bookkeepers
>> are in demand.  Keep in mind it was a advertisement.
>>
>> If you want to do this I would consider Quickbooks so you can exchange
>> data with your customers.
>>
>> I used the search phrase "does intuit offer free training in quickbooks"
>> on Google and it returned:
>>
>> ---
>> QuickBooks Online Certification trainings and exams are free to
>> accounting pros and available in QuickBooks Online Accountant. Gain
>> skills to better service your clients while earning credentials that
>> keep your practice growing.
>> ---
>>
>> There was this link directly below :
>> https://quickbooks.intuit.com/accountants/training-certification/
>>
>> The Google query "Can QuickBooks be self taught?" returned a bunch of
>> info such as:
>>
>> ---
>> Yes, you absolutely can. You'll lose access to Live QuickBooks Help and
>> Instructor-led classes, but you'll keep lifetime access to ALL 60+
>> self-paced classes for LIFE. That includes all class updates
>> - we update classes when QuickBooks changes
>> - and any new self-paced classes we add.
>> ---
>>
>> I would recommend you put together a business plan that includes what it
>> will take to run Windows and pay for the Intuit training.
>> This will help in your decision making.  This should include a marking
>> plan - how are you going to acquire customers.
>>
>> I run Win 10 because my video editing software is Windows only.
>>
>> I have an old laptop that runs windows. I bought it new maybe 8 years
>> ago and have kept it in good condition.  I assume something like this
>> might work.  My battery is still good so I am thinking this laptop might
>> be worth $100 - $200.
>>
>> Another option is to load VirtualBox on your Linux box and create a
>> Windows guest configured for your needs.
>>
>> The laptop I mentioned has 2 core/4 thread CPU which I upgraded from 8G
>> of RAM to 16G of RAM.  I've evaluated it a lot and it never utilized
>> more than 8GB of RAM and the CPU often spikes to 100% and then goes down
>> to 60 to 70%. I think this means if I had a more powerful CPU it might
>> use more RAM.
>>
>> Based on my experience your Windows configuration will need 8GB of RAM
>> to run windows and Quickbooks. Browsers hog RAM so keep that in mind.
>>
>> I'm excited for you Michael
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2024-09-18 06:55, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > I know, I know this is a Linux group and Quickbooks is a windows
>> > thing. I was hoping to learn Quickbooks [or the linux equivalent] and
>> > to start a Bookkeeping business. I have a few questions:
>> > 1- Does it work under Wine? Chat gpt says partially.
>> > 2- I've heard that you don't need an accounting degree. Is that true?
>> > Chatgpt says it isn't necessary.
>> > 3- What is the Linux equivalent? Chatgpt mentioned odoo (as well as
>> > the usual suspects). I like the idea of odoo due to the fact that you
>> > can get semi-formal training on Udemy. (I wanted to probe further with
>> > chatgpt about odoo but it became unresponsive (the enter button grayed
>> > out)/
>> > 4- Where can I get training for Quickbooks (or the Linux equivalent)?
>> > 5- Where can I get a copy of Quickbooks for a low price if that is the
>> > best path to take? Like, you can get Windows for about $15 so why not
>> > Quickbooks? (gpt said I couldn't)
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Re: Quickbooks

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

thanks, buddy. I already have the laptop with Windows 10 (I think) so I'm
good where that is concerned. Which quickbooks do you guys think I should
use for bookkeeping. is self-employed good enough?

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:54 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> Sounds like a good idea.  I recently saw and ad that said bookkeepers
> are in demand.  Keep in mind it was a advertisement.
>
> If you want to do this I would consider Quickbooks so you can exchange
> data with your customers.
>
> I used the search phrase "does intuit offer free training in quickbooks"
> on Google and it returned:
>
> ---
> QuickBooks Online Certification trainings and exams are free to
> accounting pros and available in QuickBooks Online Accountant. Gain
> skills to better service your clients while earning credentials that
> keep your practice growing.
> ---
>
> There was this link directly below :
> https://quickbooks.intuit.com/accountants/training-certification/
>
> The Google query "Can QuickBooks be self taught?" returned a bunch of
> info such as:
>
> ---
> Yes, you absolutely can. You'll lose access to Live QuickBooks Help and
> Instructor-led classes, but you'll keep lifetime access to ALL 60+
> self-paced classes for LIFE. That includes all class updates
> - we update classes when QuickBooks changes
> - and any new self-paced classes we add.
> ---
>
> I would recommend you put together a business plan that includes what it
> will take to run Windows and pay for the Intuit training.
> This will help in your decision making.  This should include a marking
> plan - how are you going to acquire customers.
>
> I run Win 10 because my video editing software is Windows only.
>
> I have an old laptop that runs windows. I bought it new maybe 8 years
> ago and have kept it in good condition.  I assume something like this
> might work.  My battery is still good so I am thinking this laptop might
> be worth $100 - $200.
>
> Another option is to load VirtualBox on your Linux box and create a
> Windows guest configured for your needs.
>
> The laptop I mentioned has 2 core/4 thread CPU which I upgraded from 8G
> of RAM to 16G of RAM.  I've evaluated it a lot and it never utilized
> more than 8GB of RAM and the CPU often spikes to 100% and then goes down
> to 60 to 70%. I think this means if I had a more powerful CPU it might
> use more RAM.
>
> Based on my experience your Windows configuration will need 8GB of RAM
> to run windows and Quickbooks. Browsers hog RAM so keep that in mind.
>
> I'm excited for you Michael
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> On 2024-09-18 06:55, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I know, I know this is a Linux group and Quickbooks is a windows
> > thing. I was hoping to learn Quickbooks [or the linux equivalent] and
> > to start a Bookkeeping business. I have a few questions:
> > 1- Does it work under Wine? Chat gpt says partially.
> > 2- I've heard that you don't need an accounting degree. Is that true?
> > Chatgpt says it isn't necessary.
> > 3- What is the Linux equivalent? Chatgpt mentioned odoo (as well as
> > the usual suspects). I like the idea of odoo due to the fact that you
> > can get semi-formal training on Udemy. (I wanted to probe further with
> > chatgpt about odoo but it became unresponsive (the enter button grayed
> > out)/
> > 4- Where can I get training for Quickbooks (or the Linux equivalent)?
> > 5- Where can I get a copy of Quickbooks for a low price if that is the
> > best path to take? Like, you can get Windows for about $15 so why not
> > Quickbooks? (gpt said I couldn't)
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Re: Interesting trivia

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

Having worked at GoDaddy whilst it was still owned and operated solely by
Bob, he actually had tax accounting software he had written and was using
in the mid-80s, early 90s. He sold this software (company et. al.) to
Intuit. His software, along with many others in that field would eventually
create the base of what would later become TurboTax.

Although QuickBooks was probably inspired by many features found in
TurboTax, there is no clear line between the two, or any direct connections
to Bob Parsons.

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> to Intuit, Inc. for $64 million.  This was the start of Quickbooks.
>
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Re: Quickbooks

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Hi Michael,

Sounds like a good idea.  I recently saw and ad that said bookkeepers 
are in demand.  Keep in mind it was a advertisement.


If you want to do this I would consider Quickbooks so you can exchange 
data with your customers.


I used the search phrase "does intuit offer free training in quickbooks" 
on Google and it returned:


---
QuickBooks Online Certification trainings and exams are free to 
accounting pros and available in QuickBooks Online Accountant. Gain 
skills to better service your clients while earning credentials that 
keep your practice growing.

---

There was this link directly below :  
https://quickbooks.intuit.com/accountants/training-certification/


The Google query "Can QuickBooks be self taught?" returned a bunch of 
info such as:


---
Yes, you absolutely can. You'll lose access to Live QuickBooks Help and 
Instructor-led classes, but you'll keep lifetime access to ALL 60+ 
self-paced classes for LIFE. That includes all class updates

- we update classes when QuickBooks changes
- and any new self-paced classes we add.
---

I would recommend you put together a business plan that includes what it 
will take to run Windows and pay for the Intuit training.
This will help in your decision making.  This should include a marking 
plan - how are you going to acquire customers.


I run Win 10 because my video editing software is Windows only.

I have an old laptop that runs windows. I bought it new maybe 8 years 
ago and have kept it in good condition.  I assume something like this 
might work.  My battery is still good so I am thinking this laptop might 
be worth $100 - $200.


Another option is to load VirtualBox on your Linux box and create a 
Windows guest configured for your needs.


The laptop I mentioned has 2 core/4 thread CPU which I upgraded from 8G 
of RAM to 16G of RAM.  I've evaluated it a lot and it never utilized 
more than 8GB of RAM and the CPU often spikes to 100% and then goes down 
to 60 to 70%. I think this means if I had a more powerful CPU it might 
use more RAM.


Based on my experience your Windows configuration will need 8GB of RAM 
to run windows and Quickbooks. Browsers hog RAM so keep that in mind.


I'm excited for you Michael

Keith



On 2024-09-18 06:55, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I know, I know this is a Linux group and Quickbooks is a windows
thing. I was hoping to learn Quickbooks [or the linux equivalent] and
to start a Bookkeeping business. I have a few questions:
1- Does it work under Wine? Chat gpt says partially.
2- I've heard that you don't need an accounting degree. Is that true?
Chatgpt says it isn't necessary.
3- What is the Linux equivalent? Chatgpt mentioned odoo (as well as
the usual suspects). I like the idea of odoo due to the fact that you
can get semi-formal training on Udemy. (I wanted to probe further with
chatgpt about odoo but it became unresponsive (the enter button grayed
out)/
4- Where can I get training for Quickbooks (or the Linux equivalent)?
5- Where can I get a copy of Quickbooks for a low price if that is the
best path to take? Like, you can get Windows for about $15 so why not
Quickbooks? (gpt said I couldn't)
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Re: Quickbooks

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks for the tip!

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:06 AM Snyder, Alexander J <
alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:

> Just stick with QuickBooks online. It's a cloud SaaS. Most of not all
> small-to-medium business owners have the cloud tool, it's the 800 pound
> gorilla, for sure.
>
> I know this because my wife does business consulting and she tells me it's
> everywhere. They are different in like layout, tools, menus, so learning
> the desktop (meant more for single use personal finances) wouldn't really
> translate to the SaaS offering.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2024, 06:56 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I know, I know this is a Linux group and Quickbooks is a windows
>> thing. I was hoping to learn Quickbooks [or the linux equivalent] and to
>> start a Bookkeeping business. I have a few questions:
>> 1- Does it work under Wine? Chat gpt says partially.
>> 2- I've heard that you don't need an accounting degree. Is that true?
>> Chatgpt says it isn't necessary.
>> 3- What is the Linux equivalent? Chatgpt mentioned odoo (as well as the
>> usual suspects). I like the idea of odoo due to the fact that you can get
>> semi-formal training on Udemy. (I wanted to probe further with chatgpt
>> about odoo but it became unresponsive (the enter button grayed out)/
>> 4- Where can I get training for Quickbooks (or the Linux equivalent)?
>> 5- Where can I get a copy of Quickbooks for a low price if that is the
>> best path to take? Like, you can get Windows for about $15 so why not
>> Quickbooks? (gpt said I couldn't)
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Re: Quickbooks

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

Just stick with QuickBooks online. It's a cloud SaaS. Most of not all
small-to-medium business owners have the cloud tool, it's the 800 pound
gorilla, for sure.

I know this because my wife does business consulting and she tells me it's
everywhere. They are different in like layout, tools, menus, so learning
the desktop (meant more for single use personal finances) wouldn't really
translate to the SaaS offering.

--
Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro

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plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I know, I know this is a Linux group and Quickbooks is a windows
> thing. I was hoping to learn Quickbooks [or the linux equivalent] and to
> start a Bookkeeping business. I have a few questions:
> 1- Does it work under Wine? Chat gpt says partially.
> 2- I've heard that you don't need an accounting degree. Is that true?
> Chatgpt says it isn't necessary.
> 3- What is the Linux equivalent? Chatgpt mentioned odoo (as well as the
> usual suspects). I like the idea of odoo due to the fact that you can get
> semi-formal training on Udemy. (I wanted to probe further with chatgpt
> about odoo but it became unresponsive (the enter button grayed out)/
> 4- Where can I get training for Quickbooks (or the Linux equivalent)?
> 5- Where can I get a copy of Quickbooks for a low price if that is the
> best path to take? Like, you can get Windows for about $15 so why not
> Quickbooks? (gpt said I couldn't)
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Re: Stammtisch @ Boulders on Southern

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 LOL on the Rubble heap.Nicely put.
On Tuesday, September 17, 2024 at 05:10:02 PM MST, der.hans via 
PLUG-discuss  wrote:  
 
 moin moin,

this month's FLOSS Stammtisch is in about 2 hours at 19:00.

We'll be in person at Boulders on Southern near the rubble heap that used
to be Fiesta Mall.

Boulders on Southern, 1010 W Southern Ave, Mesa, AZ

It's in the shopping center on the northeast corner of Southern and Alma
School.

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Re: rsync advice:

[Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss]

On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 10:54 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> chatgpt is telling me to rsync with...
>
> sudo rsync -aAXv --delete
> --exclude={"/home/bmike1/.cache","/home/bmike1/.local/share/Trash"} /home/
> /media/$USER/rsync/
>
> and to restore with:
>
> sudo rsync -aAXv --delete
> --exclude={"/home/bmike1/.cache","/home/bmike1/.local/share/Trash"}
> /media/$USER/rsync/ /home/
>
> the save stage ran correctly but will the restore run correctly?
>
It should but in your command composition, rsync will pick up other
directories under /home/.
Although on the restore command these options (--delete
--exclude={"/home/bmike1/.cache","/home/bmike1/.local/share/Trash"} ) do not
make sense to me.  A
Also, why do you need 'sudo'?

For my backups, I run the rsync commands directly from the user's home
directory e.g. /home/bmike1/
FWIW please read the man page for -a and -A/-X nuances + logging the backup
to record what went right/wrong.
(Note the changes in bold. Also, -a will not work for backup media (USB
drives) formatted with Microsoft files systems (vfat, exFAT, NTFS)

Backup:

cd $HOME

rsync -*aP* *--log-file=FILE* --delete --exclude={"$HOME/.
cache","$HOME/.local/share/Trash"} $HOME/ /media/$USER/rsync/

Restore:

cd $HOME
rsync -*aP* *--log-file=FILE*  /media/$USER/rsync/ $HOME/


Create a user e.g. testuser, create some files under the home directory,
and do a test drive and verify the results of the backup and restore.

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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks Rusty,

Great info!!

Keith


On 2024-09-07 10:12, Rusty Carruth wrote:

On 9/6/24 12:55, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

...

...I seem to recall that at some point the bigger drivers would not 
work well with old hardware.  I hope that is not an issue.



The problem with 'large' drives is, as far as I remember,JUST with 
booting - its a BIOS issue, and if you keep /boot (or equivalent) in 
the lower  LBAs of the drive even an overly-large drive is ok.  
(Once Linux has loaded into RAM you're fine with just about any drive 
that Linux can handle, if you set up your init files (in /boot) 
correctly (that is to say, with the drivers you need to boot from the 
drive)).



The problem is that the BIOS drivers can only access the first... Oh I 
don't remember the number off hand, but the address register for the 
LBA (or C/H/S!) is only so big, so BIOS drivers can only read the 
'lower' part of the drive.


Since your boot drive is (probably) small enough, and even if not I'm 
guessing the entire TruNAS filesystem can be made 'small enough', but 
I'm guessing.

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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks Matt!!

I have an old dell running an i5 4 cores/4 threads, 16GB of RAM, and 
will handle 2 drives.  I guess I can use a 1TB spinner for booting and a 
8TB spinner for data.  Thant would meet my needs.


Your NAS sounds sounds nice!!

Keith


On 2024-09-07 09:53, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote:
TrueNAS is intended for a "set it and forget it" environment, and NOT 
for people that like to tweak. It requires a boot drive and *separate* 
storage drives (if you only have a single drive, you can't use 
TrueNAS).


I use it for my new NAS (256gd NVMe boot drive, 6x 6TB drives in a 
RAIDZ2) and it works great. Literally don't need to look at it except 
for drive maintenance, container maintenance, and the occasional OS 
update.


If you don't want that, and you want a more DIY, you will use something 
else.


My personal preference is Debian over Ubuntu, but both are effective 
and I won't fault someone for using one over the other.


-Matt


On 9/6/24 12:55, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks Alexander, Ted, and Rusty!!

I took a quick look at TrueNAS and it appears the boot drive is only 
for booting?


I've got lots of 1TB and less drives so that would not be a problem.

I have a 10 year old Dell i5 4 cores/4 threads with 16GB of RAM, which 
will take two drives.  I also have an 8GB backup drive that I have 
never used. I haven't opened the box.  I got it on a very good sale so 
I bought it. I could use that drive.  I seem to recall that at some 
point the bigger drivers would not work well with old hardware.  I 
hope that is not an issue.


My daily driver is also an old Dell running Kubuntu 24.04.  I have a 
Win10 laptop and my wife has a Win11 computer.  I'd like to connect 
all three.


Any thoughts are much appreciate!!

Thanks,
Keith



On 2024-09-05 17:05, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 9/5/24 08:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,
...
I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS 
other than having more exposure to Ubuntu.


I'd say performance will be better with Linux (or other unix-like OS) 
than almost any other OS you can come up with. Usually, anyway.



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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Matt, thank you for that feedback.  It will be wired.

Thanks!!
Keith

On 2024-09-07 09:55, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I forgot to mention something very important:

TrueNAS requires an ethernet connection for networking. It will not 
behave nicely if your NAS requires wireless networking. If you need a 
NAS connected wirelessly, you'll either need to use a dedicated network 
bridge of some kind (like a mesh network), or you'll need to use 
something other than TrueNAS.


-Matt



On 9/7/24 09:53, Matthew Crews wrote:
TrueNAS is intended for a "set it and forget it" environment, and NOT 
for people that like to tweak. It requires a boot drive and *separate* 
storage drives (if you only have a single drive, you can't use 
TrueNAS).


I use it for my new NAS (256gd NVMe boot drive, 6x 6TB drives in a 
RAIDZ2) and it works great. Literally don't need to look at it except 
for drive maintenance, container maintenance, and the occasional OS 
update.


If you don't want that, and you want a more DIY, you will use 
something else.


My personal preference is Debian over Ubuntu, but both are effective 
and I won't fault someone for using one over the other.


-Matt


On 9/6/24 12:55, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks Alexander, Ted, and Rusty!!

I took a quick look at TrueNAS and it appears the boot drive is only 
for booting?


I've got lots of 1TB and less drives so that would not be a problem.

I have a 10 year old Dell i5 4 cores/4 threads with 16GB of RAM, 
which will take two drives.  I also have an 8GB backup drive that I 
have never used. I haven't opened the box.  I got it on a very good 
sale so I bought it. I could use that drive.  I seem to recall that 
at some point the bigger drivers would not work well with old 
hardware.  I hope that is not an issue.


My daily driver is also an old Dell running Kubuntu 24.04.  I have a 
Win10 laptop and my wife has a Win11 computer.  I'd like to connect 
all three.


Any thoughts are much appreciate!!

Thanks,
Keith



On 2024-09-05 17:05, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 9/5/24 08:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,
...
I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS 
other than having more exposure to Ubuntu.


I'd say performance will be better with Linux (or other unix-like 
OS) than almost any other OS you can come up with. Usually, anyway.



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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss]

On 9/6/24 12:55, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

...

...I seem to recall that at some point the bigger drivers would not 
work well with old hardware.  I hope that is not an issue.



The problem with 'large' drives is, as far as I remember,JUST with 
booting - its a BIOS issue, and if you keep /boot (or equivalent) in the 
lower  LBAs of the drive even an overly-large drive is ok.  (Once 
Linux has loaded into RAM you're fine with just about any drive that 
Linux can handle, if you set up your init files (in /boot) correctly 
(that is to say, with the drivers you need to boot from the drive)).



The problem is that the BIOS drivers can only access the first... Oh I 
don't remember the number off hand, but the address register for the LBA 
(or C/H/S!) is only so big, so BIOS drivers can only read the 'lower' 
part of the drive.


Since your boot drive is (probably) small enough, and even if not I'm 
guessing the entire TruNAS filesystem can be made 'small enough', but 
I'm guessing.


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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss]

TrueNAS is intended for a "set it and forget it" environment, and NOT 
for people that like to tweak. It requires a boot drive and *separate* 
storage drives (if you only have a single drive, you can't use TrueNAS).


I use it for my new NAS (256gd NVMe boot drive, 6x 6TB drives in a 
RAIDZ2) and it works great. Literally don't need to look at it except 
for drive maintenance, container maintenance, and the occasional OS update.


If you don't want that, and you want a more DIY, you will use something 
else.


My personal preference is Debian over Ubuntu, but both are effective and 
I won't fault someone for using one over the other.


-Matt


On 9/6/24 12:55, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks Alexander, Ted, and Rusty!!

I took a quick look at TrueNAS and it appears the boot drive is only 
for booting?


I've got lots of 1TB and less drives so that would not be a problem.

I have a 10 year old Dell i5 4 cores/4 threads with 16GB of RAM, which 
will take two drives.  I also have an 8GB backup drive that I have 
never used. I haven't opened the box.  I got it on a very good sale so 
I bought it. I could use that drive.  I seem to recall that at some 
point the bigger drivers would not work well with old hardware.  I 
hope that is not an issue.


My daily driver is also an old Dell running Kubuntu 24.04.  I have a 
Win10 laptop and my wife has a Win11 computer.  I'd like to connect 
all three.


Any thoughts are much appreciate!!

Thanks,
Keith



On 2024-09-05 17:05, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 9/5/24 08:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,
...
I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS 
other than having more exposure to Ubuntu.


I'd say performance will be better with Linux (or other unix-like OS) 
than almost any other OS you can come up with. Usually, anyway.



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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss]

I forgot to mention something very important:

TrueNAS requires an ethernet connection for networking. It will not 
behave nicely if your NAS requires wireless networking. If you need a 
NAS connected wirelessly, you'll either need to use a dedicated network 
bridge of some kind (like a mesh network), or you'll need to use 
something other than TrueNAS.


-Matt



On 9/7/24 09:53, Matthew Crews wrote:
TrueNAS is intended for a "set it and forget it" environment, and NOT 
for people that like to tweak. It requires a boot drive and *separate* 
storage drives (if you only have a single drive, you can't use TrueNAS).


I use it for my new NAS (256gd NVMe boot drive, 6x 6TB drives in a 
RAIDZ2) and it works great. Literally don't need to look at it except 
for drive maintenance, container maintenance, and the occasional OS 
update.


If you don't want that, and you want a more DIY, you will use 
something else.


My personal preference is Debian over Ubuntu, but both are effective 
and I won't fault someone for using one over the other.


-Matt


On 9/6/24 12:55, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks Alexander, Ted, and Rusty!!

I took a quick look at TrueNAS and it appears the boot drive is only 
for booting?


I've got lots of 1TB and less drives so that would not be a problem.

I have a 10 year old Dell i5 4 cores/4 threads with 16GB of RAM, 
which will take two drives.  I also have an 8GB backup drive that I 
have never used. I haven't opened the box.  I got it on a very good 
sale so I bought it. I could use that drive.  I seem to recall that 
at some point the bigger drivers would not work well with old 
hardware.  I hope that is not an issue.


My daily driver is also an old Dell running Kubuntu 24.04.  I have a 
Win10 laptop and my wife has a Win11 computer.  I'd like to connect 
all three.


Any thoughts are much appreciate!!

Thanks,
Keith



On 2024-09-05 17:05, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 9/5/24 08:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,
...
I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS 
other than having more exposure to Ubuntu.


I'd say performance will be better with Linux (or other unix-like 
OS) than almost any other OS you can come up with. Usually, anyway.



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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks Alexander, Ted, and Rusty!!

I took a quick look at TrueNAS and it appears the boot drive is only for 
booting?


I've got lots of 1TB and less drives so that would not be a problem.

I have a 10 year old Dell i5 4 cores/4 threads with 16GB of RAM, which 
will take two drives.  I also have an 8GB backup drive that I have never 
used. I haven't opened the box.  I got it on a very good sale so I 
bought it. I could use that drive.  I seem to recall that at some point 
the bigger drivers would not work well with old hardware.  I hope that 
is not an issue.


My daily driver is also an old Dell running Kubuntu 24.04.  I have a 
Win10 laptop and my wife has a Win11 computer.  I'd like to connect all 
three.


Any thoughts are much appreciate!!

Thanks,
Keith



On 2024-09-05 17:05, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 9/5/24 08:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,
...
I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS 
other than having more exposure to Ubuntu.


I'd say performance will be better with Linux (or other unix-like OS) 
than almost any other OS you can come up with.  Usually, anyway.



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[Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss]

On 9/5/24 08:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,
...
I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS 
other than having more exposure to Ubuntu.


I'd say performance will be better with Linux (or other unix-like OS) 
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Re: Wifi routers with DFS support

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I don't but thanks for the suggestion.  A few days ago I emailed asus 
asking which of their devices support it.  They responded and I found 
one I can afford.


On 9/5/24 12:22, Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss wrote:
openwrt and DDWRT both support DFS if you have a router that can be 
flashed to them (most can)


On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 11:13 AM Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:




On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 5:13 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

I'm trying to find a wifi router that supports DFS.  I live in an
apartment and the wifi bands are crowded with the exception of
the DFS
channels in the 5Ghz band.  I looked on Amazon and on the
website of
several companies that make wifi routers for the consumer
market, but
can't find any information.  If anyone can tell me where to
find the
information for myself or point me to some reasonably priced
options I'd
sure appreciate it.


About 5 years ago I switched to deploying "out of lease"
Enterprise WiFi APs (Ruckus and Aruba units sourced on eBay*) for
my WLAN setups (personal and SOHO)
Lately, I have used the Aruba IAP series with a built-in "virtual
controller."
With two or more in the setup, they form a cluster that can be
managed from a single dashboard.

* DFS on Aruba IAP-3xx series


 (when
buying make sure the model starts with IAP- )

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Re: Wifi routers with DFS support

[Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss]

openwrt and DDWRT both support DFS if you have a router that can be flashed
to them (most can)

On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 11:13 AM Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 5:13 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to find a wifi router that supports DFS.  I live in an
>> apartment and the wifi bands are crowded with the exception of the DFS
>> channels in the 5Ghz band.  I looked on Amazon and on the website of
>> several companies that make wifi routers for the consumer market, but
>> can't find any information.  If anyone can tell me where to find the
>> information for myself or point me to some reasonably priced options I'd
>> sure appreciate it.
>>
>>
> About 5 years ago I switched to deploying "out of lease" Enterprise WiFi
> APs (Ruckus and Aruba units sourced on eBay*) for my WLAN setups (personal
> and SOHO)
> Lately, I have used the Aruba IAP series with a built-in "virtual
> controller."
> With two or more in the setup, they form a cluster that can be managed
> from a single dashboard.
>
> * DFS on Aruba IAP-3xx series
> 
>  (when
> buying make sure the model starts with IAP- )
>
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Re: Wifi routers with DFS support

[Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss]

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 5:13 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I'm trying to find a wifi router that supports DFS.  I live in an
> apartment and the wifi bands are crowded with the exception of the DFS
> channels in the 5Ghz band.  I looked on Amazon and on the website of
> several companies that make wifi routers for the consumer market, but
> can't find any information.  If anyone can tell me where to find the
> information for myself or point me to some reasonably priced options I'd
> sure appreciate it.
>
>
About 5 years ago I switched to deploying "out of lease" Enterprise WiFi
APs (Ruckus and Aruba units sourced on eBay*) for my WLAN setups (personal
and SOHO)
Lately, I have used the Aruba IAP series with a built-in "virtual
controller."
With two or more in the setup, they form a cluster that can be managed from
a single dashboard.

* DFS on Aruba IAP-3xx series

(when
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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss]

I'm using Debian for my NAS at the moment. The only reason I'm using it over 
Arch though is because it's easy to setup Dropbear in the initramfs to be able 
to unlock an encrypted root remotely on boot.

For the filesystem I'm using BTRFS.

On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, at 9:37 AM, Ted Gould via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I think that you could definitely get something working well for that setup. 
> The one comment I'd have is use ZFS for your filesystems and then it becomes 
> super easy to add storage later, or setup mirroring, or whatev you want. ZFS 
> does an amazing job of separating out the physical drives from the volumes, 
> so you can move things around how you need later.
> 
> Ted
> 
> On Sep 5 2024, at 10:22 am, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I happened upon an article with the heading "6 reasons you should use
>> Ubuntu for your own NAS"
>> 
>> https://www.xda-developers.com/reasons-you-should-use-ubuntu-for-your-own-nas/
>> 
>> I could use a NAS immediately. I was holding off until I get some cash
>> flow.
>> 
>> This article got me thinking. It mentions SMB or NFS. I have not done
>> anything with SMB or NFS for years.
>> 
>> I would like something simple to share files locally between my wife and
>> I. Her computer runs Win 11 and I am on Kubuntu 24.04. I'm a PHP
>> developer and do some Linux (Ubuntu) for LAMP configurations. I am not
>> afraid of the command line and I am not near being a Sys admin.
>> 
>> I have a couple old Dells that can handle 2 hard drives each and I have
>> multiple 1TB HD's.
>> 
>> I'm thinking I can build a simple NAS using the parts I already have.
>> 
>> I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS other
>> than having more exposure to Ubuntu.
>> 
>> I'm thinking there might be an over the counter/Open Source NAS that
>> might be a long term solution where later maybe I can build a larger
>> NAS.
>> 
>> Any thoughts are much appreciated.
>> 
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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Ted Gould via PLUG-discuss]

I think that you could definitely get something working well for that setup. 
The one comment I'd have is use ZFS for your filesystems and then it becomes 
super easy to add storage later, or setup mirroring, or whatev you want. ZFS 
does an amazing job of separating out the physical drives from the volumes, so 
you can move things around how you need later.

Ted
On Sep 5 2024, at 10:22 am, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I happened upon an article with the heading "6 reasons you should use
> Ubuntu for your own NAS"
>
> https://www.xda-developers.com/reasons-you-should-use-ubuntu-for-your-own-nas/
> I could use a NAS immediately. I was holding off until I get some cash
> flow.
>
> This article got me thinking. It mentions SMB or NFS. I have not done
> anything with SMB or NFS for years.
>
> I would like something simple to share files locally between my wife and
> I. Her computer runs Win 11 and I am on Kubuntu 24.04. I'm a PHP
> developer and do some Linux (Ubuntu) for LAMP configurations. I am not
> afraid of the command line and I am not near being a Sys admin.
>
> I have a couple old Dells that can handle 2 hard drives each and I have
> multiple 1TB HD's.
>
> I'm thinking I can build a simple NAS using the parts I already have.
> I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS other
> than having more exposure to Ubuntu.
>
> I'm thinking there might be an over the counter/Open Source NAS that
> might be a long term solution where later maybe I can build a larger
> NAS.
>
> Any thoughts are much appreciated.
> Keith
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Re: 6 reasons you should use Ubuntu for your own NAS

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

I really love TrueNAS. It's Linux (Debian) based and runs on ZFS. It runs
my primary NAS as well as my backup server.

It's free and open source. You can easily install it on your spare hardware
and throw some drives at it. It does NFS and SMB with ease.

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On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, 08:23 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I happened upon an article with the heading "6 reasons you should use
> Ubuntu for your own NAS"
>
>
> https://www.xda-developers.com/reasons-you-should-use-ubuntu-for-your-own-nas/
>
> I could use a NAS immediately.  I was holding off until I get some cash
> flow.
>
> This article got me thinking.  It mentions SMB or NFS.  I have not done
> anything with SMB or NFS for years.
>
> I would like something simple to share files locally between my wife and
> I.  Her computer runs Win 11 and I am on Kubuntu 24.04.  I'm a PHP
> developer and do some Linux (Ubuntu) for LAMP configurations.  I am not
> afraid of the command line and I am not near being a Sys admin.
>
> I have a couple old Dells that can handle 2 hard drives each and I have
> multiple 1TB HD's.
>
> I'm thinking I can build a simple NAS using the parts I already have.
>
> I'm not sure there is a benefit of using Linux with SMB and/or NFS other
> than having more exposure to Ubuntu.
>
> I'm thinking there might be an over the counter/Open Source NAS that
> might be a long term solution where later maybe I can build a larger
> NAS.
>
> Any thoughts are much appreciated.
>
> Keith
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Re: PHP Development ...

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

I should add, this is for pfSense, if that makes a difference.

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On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 14:31 Snyder, Alexander J 
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I am seeking some professional PHP Development. I've seen at least one
> email about a community member who has been doing (primarily) PHP
> Development for a long time, so I am contacting the community to
> solicit some paid work.
>
> I wish to have something developed in PHP that I can run as a startup
> script to append/modify an existing page (*status_logs_filter.php*), more
> specifically, when the "status_logs_filter.php#filter-panel_panel-body" is
> expanded, a side menu would "appear" to show recently performed search
> queries.  This would have to adhere to the PHP 8.x style
> .
> I realize this would probably require some kind of database, and that's
> okay.
>
> Either that way or perhaps in JavaScript and written as a
> TamperMoneky plugin that would trigger on that URL.
>
> I am willing and happy to pay for this development. Please reach out to me
> directly for further details, as I don't want to clutter the list with
> business talk.
>
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>
>
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Re: Elastic as FLOSS again?

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I am leery of a company that is willing to play with its open-source
licensing like that, For all of its evils Amazon seems to back anything it
releases as open-source and keep it that way.

This is an interesting about it (But by no means definitive)
https://coralogix.com/guides/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-vs-opensearch-key-differences/

On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 8:33 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
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> der.hans via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 3 Sep 2024 20:12:22 + (UTC)
>
> >moin moin,
> >
> >Shay reportedly says Elastic is going to add AGPL to ES, so will be
> >Open Source again.
> >
> >
> https://devclass.com/2024/09/02/elasticsearch-will-be-open-source-again-as-cto-declares-changed-landscape/
>
> Affero? Euu!
>
> Hey, here's a serious question from a webmaster, not a criticism. On
> this website they have a graphic of hands wielding poker chips on
> some kind of gambling table. Is this meant to convey that Elastic is
> gambling by this move, does it have some other meaning, or is it just a
> good looking graphic thrown in?
>
> During the past few months I've been reevaluating my thoughts on
> graphics on web pages I create.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: Elastic as FLOSS again?

[Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss]

der.hans via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 3 Sep 2024 20:12:22 + (UTC)

>moin moin,
>
>Shay reportedly says Elastic is going to add AGPL to ES, so will be
>Open Source again.
>
>https://devclass.com/2024/09/02/elasticsearch-will-be-open-source-again-as-cto-declares-changed-landscape/

Affero? Euu!

Hey, here's a serious question from a webmaster, not a criticism. On
this website they have a graphic of hands wielding poker chips on
some kind of gambling table. Is this meant to convey that Elastic is
gambling by this move, does it have some other meaning, or is it just a
good looking graphic thrown in?

During the past few months I've been reevaluating my thoughts on
graphics on web pages I create.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: Elastic as FLOSS again?

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

We are moving from SOLR to OpenSearch and its pretty fantastic. It is super
fast, and super flexible even in its default state/config

On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:45 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <
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> Given that OpenSearch is licensed in the original Apache license, I
> imagine that it's still going to supplant Elastic. That said for most use
> cases the difference between Apache and AGPL isn't going to matter because
> you're just running it as an application in your stack rather than building
> on top of it.
>
> On top of that, a lot of corporations are allergic to anything with the
> letters GPL in them due to concerns about it infecting their software.
>
> The only open-source software that I can remember in recent times that had
> some controversy around it due to license changes that survived is MongoDB;
> IIRC there wasn't any real effort to fork it, maybe because it's shine had
> dulled by the time that happened and there were already useful alternatives.
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024, at 1:12 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> moin moin,
>
> Shay reportedly says Elastic is going to add AGPL to ES, so will be Open
> Source again.
>
>
> https://devclass.com/2024/09/02/elasticsearch-will-be-open-source-again-as-cto-declares-changed-landscape/
>
> I haven't compared Open Search features to see which is more compelling at
> this point. Better security features certainly needs to be considered.
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: Elastic as FLOSS again?

[Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss]

Given that OpenSearch is licensed in the original Apache license, I imagine 
that it's still going to supplant Elastic. That said for most use cases the 
difference between Apache and AGPL isn't going to matter because you're just 
running it as an application in your stack rather than building on top of it.

On top of that, a lot of corporations are allergic to anything with the letters 
GPL in them due to concerns about it infecting their software.

The only open-source software that I can remember in recent times that had some 
controversy around it due to license changes that survived is MongoDB; IIRC 
there wasn't any real effort to fork it, maybe because it's shine had dulled by 
the time that happened and there were already useful alternatives.

On Tue, Sep 3, 2024, at 1:12 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> moin moin,
> 
> Shay reportedly says Elastic is going to add AGPL to ES, so will be Open
> Source again.
> 
> https://devclass.com/2024/09/02/elasticsearch-will-be-open-source-again-as-cto-declares-changed-landscape/
> 
> I haven't compared Open Search features to see which is more compelling at
> this point. Better security features certainly needs to be considered.
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans
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Re: Wifi routers with DFS support

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

TP-Link is garbage, but then again, I'm a bougie bitch when it comes to
technology! 😆

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On Mon, Sep 2, 2024, 18:53 Jim via PLUG-discuss <
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> Thank you.  I actually found several I can afford.  While looking online
> to check prices, I noticed that other manufacturers would have the same
> model number for less money.  For example one site has the Netgear AC2300
> for $129, but right below it was the TP-Link AC2300 for $59.  So, I know to
> check the brand name so I don't get the wrong one.
> On 9/2/24 16:08, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
>
> I had it on my old Netgear Nighthawk. Here is a list of other Netgear
> products with DFS:
>
>
> https://kb.netgear.com/60372/Which-NETGEAR-devices-support-Dynamic-Frequency-Selection
>
> --
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> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024, 15:17 Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to find a wifi router that supports DFS.  I live in an
>> apartment and the wifi bands are crowded with the exception of the DFS
>> channels in the 5Ghz band.  I looked on Amazon and on the website of
>> several companies that make wifi routers for the consumer market, but
>> can't find any information.  If anyone can tell me where to find the
>> information for myself or point me to some reasonably priced options I'd
>> sure appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: Wifi routers with DFS support

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thank you.  I actually found several I can afford.  While looking online 
to check prices, I noticed that other manufacturers would have the same 
model number for less money.  For example one site has the Netgear 
AC2300 for $129, but right below it was the TP-Link AC2300 for $59.  So, 
I know to check the brand name so I don't get the wrong one.


On 9/2/24 16:08, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
I had it on my old Netgear Nighthawk. Here is a list of other Netgear 
products with DFS:


https://kb.netgear.com/60372/Which-NETGEAR-devices-support-Dynamic-Frequency-Selection

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On Mon, Sep 2, 2024, 15:17 Jim via PLUG-discuss 
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I'm trying to find a wifi router that supports DFS.  I live in an
apartment and the wifi bands are crowded with the exception of the
DFS
channels in the 5Ghz band.  I looked on Amazon and on the website of
several companies that make wifi routers for the consumer market, but
can't find any information.  If anyone can tell me where to find the
information for myself or point me to some reasonably priced
options I'd
sure appreciate it.

Thanks.

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Re: Wifi routers with DFS support

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

I had it on my old Netgear Nighthawk. Here is a list of other Netgear
products with DFS:

https://kb.netgear.com/60372/Which-NETGEAR-devices-support-Dynamic-Frequency-Selection

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Alexander

Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro

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plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I'm trying to find a wifi router that supports DFS.  I live in an
> apartment and the wifi bands are crowded with the exception of the DFS
> channels in the 5Ghz band.  I looked on Amazon and on the website of
> several companies that make wifi routers for the consumer market, but
> can't find any information.  If anyone can tell me where to find the
> information for myself or point me to some reasonably priced options I'd
> sure appreciate it.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Config Kubuntu to not show home dir icons on desktop

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Thank You So Much!!

Chased my tail a bunch!!


On 2024-09-02 09:16, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Open the Dekstoip Folder settings
Where it says layout switch from folder to layout.,

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 11:38 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
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Hi,

I am running Kubuntu 24.04.  It shows an icon for every file in my
home
directory on the desktop.  I've done some searching and is is not
clear
how I can disable this feature.

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks!!
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Re: Config Kubuntu to not show home dir icons on desktop

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Open the Dekstoip Folder settings
Where it says layout switch from folder to layout.,

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> Hi,
>
> I am running Kubuntu 24.04.  It shows an icon for every file in my home
> directory on the desktop.  I've done some searching and is is not clear
> how I can disable this feature.
>
> Any help much appreciated.
>
> Thanks!!
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Re: Network UPS Monitoring ...

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

So, I actually got this figured out.

I have an APC UPS. Apparently, it doesn't have a network jack, as I
thought, it only has a "SmartConnect" port (RJ45) that allows it to be
monitored remotely. Which is stupid, but whatever.

The battery is a 5 year old Lead Acid battery in need of replacement, so I
bought a new UPS (APC Smart-UPS 3000VA Lithium Ion UPS, SMTL3000RMUCNC) ...
and this one has a Network controller in it, so monitoring with NUT should
work now.

FWIW, once I figured out SmartConnect wasn't a "normal" port, I was able to
get the cloud service configured very quickly and easily. My UPS showed
quickly (a few hours) and I was able to remotely update it's firmware.

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On Wed, Aug 28, 2024, 14:30 Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:51 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone in this community have any experience managing Network UPS?
>>
>> I purchased an "APC 3000VA Smart-UPS" (
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0785NCFMY) in 2020. It's been
>> performing exactly as it should ever since, and life is great.
>>
>> However, when I've had it, I have experienced two or three "catastrophic"
>> power outages (*line utility goes out*), and the UPS kicks in and does
>> exactly what it is supposed to do.
>>
>> My problem is that in the time between buying the UPS and now, my homelab
>> has grown significantly, and in one of those power outages, I
>> overestimated my battery time, and my entire stack died while I was fucking
>> around with one of the servers.
>>
>> In my most recent power loss, learning from the past, I raced downstairs
>> at 2AM with all the UPS alarms beeping loudly, and I raced to shut down the
>> stack properly, knowing (*this time*) that I'd only got about 5 minutes
>> of life. I got everything shut down this time, which is good—but it forced
>> me to take a good hard look at some kind of Automated Shutdown.
>>
>> I've known for a long time that these things *could* happen, but I've
>> never had a need to investigate. Well, here we are, LOL.
>>
>> I have the APS UPS connected to my switch, and it is getting a DHCP IP --
>> and I can see ARP requests going back and forth -- my pfSense FW shows that 
>> *it
>> is* sending/receiving data -- albeit just a few kilobytes here and
>> there, but I know there is TCP/IP life on it -- but I'm at a loss beyond
>> that.  I've tried to SSH to it, but I just always get a "Connection
>> Refused" -- using the "default" credentials I found online, "apc/apc"...
>>
>> So yeah, anyone out there with any background or experience with Network
>> UPSs, I'd love to chat with you to figure out how I can get into this thing
>> and make it do what I'm absolutely certain it's capable of doing!
>>
>> Looks like you are looking for a Network UPS Monitoring capability.
> Take a look at NUTS 
> YMMV based on NUT support for the APC model
>
> A typical setup would be:
>
>1. A controller system -- a server or a network device that is ON 24x7
>with the UPS unit connected to it.
>2. NUT client on all other systems, also powered by the UPS, that you
>want to shut down gracefully before the UPS runs out of charge.
>
> HTH
>
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Re: Network UPS Monitoring ...

[Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss]

On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:51 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Does anyone in this community have any experience managing Network UPS?
>
> I purchased an "APC 3000VA Smart-UPS" (
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0785NCFMY) in 2020. It's been
> performing exactly as it should ever since, and life is great.
>
> However, when I've had it, I have experienced two or three "catastrophic"
> power outages (*line utility goes out*), and the UPS kicks in and does
> exactly what it is supposed to do.
>
> My problem is that in the time between buying the UPS and now, my homelab
> has grown significantly, and in one of those power outages, I
> overestimated my battery time, and my entire stack died while I was fucking
> around with one of the servers.
>
> In my most recent power loss, learning from the past, I raced downstairs
> at 2AM with all the UPS alarms beeping loudly, and I raced to shut down the
> stack properly, knowing (*this time*) that I'd only got about 5 minutes
> of life. I got everything shut down this time, which is good—but it forced
> me to take a good hard look at some kind of Automated Shutdown.
>
> I've known for a long time that these things *could* happen, but I've
> never had a need to investigate. Well, here we are, LOL.
>
> I have the APS UPS connected to my switch, and it is getting a DHCP IP --
> and I can see ARP requests going back and forth -- my pfSense FW shows that 
> *it
> is* sending/receiving data -- albeit just a few kilobytes here and there,
> but I know there is TCP/IP life on it -- but I'm at a loss beyond that.
> I've tried to SSH to it, but I just always get a "Connection Refused" --
> using the "default" credentials I found online, "apc/apc"...
>
> So yeah, anyone out there with any background or experience with Network
> UPSs, I'd love to chat with you to figure out how I can get into this thing
> and make it do what I'm absolutely certain it's capable of doing!
>
> Looks like you are looking for a Network UPS Monitoring capability.
Take a look at NUTS 
YMMV based on NUT support for the APC model

A typical setup would be:

   1. A controller system -- a server or a network device that is ON 24x7
   with the UPS unit connected to it.
   2. NUT client on all other systems, also powered by the UPS, that you
   want to shut down gracefully before the UPS runs out of charge.

HTH

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LO, man pages, tab completion, oh my! (was Re: What happened to libre office?

[Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss]

Just for the record, what I do when I want to start LibreOffice from the 
command line is I type:


libr

to which the bash prompt replies:

libreoffice

then I hit enter.  From there you can get to calc or write or ...

However, if you really don't want that extra step of choosing, you can 
do what I just did and type man libreoffice or (man localc, or probably 
even man -k libreoffice) and find that there are command line names for 
each of the things.  And, having seen the man page, I now realize that 
its not 'local' c, its 'lo' calc.  For LibreOffice calc (so the others 
are lobase, lodraw, loimpress, etc).


Too much to remember, I'll stick with libr thank you very much!  
(This all assumes you've got tab completion enabled, and if you DON'T 
you should seriously consider it, unless you really love typing! ;-)


On 8/28/24 05:54, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

the ol' microsoft fix fixed it. I rebooted.

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Perhaps refreshing the package repository and installing again  may work.
Another option is to install an older working version of libreoffice.

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Old school is to reboot to fix errors!!

In the early days of DOS and Windows a reboot was often necessary.


On 2024-08-27 17:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

got it fixed. a reboot did it!

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:39 PM Michael  wrote:


sudo apt install libreoffice-calc
[sudo] password for bmike1:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
libreoffice-calc is already the newest version
(4:24.2.5-0ubuntu0.24.04.2).
libreoffice-calc set to manually installed.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-calc: command not found

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Michael  wrote:


I started my computer then tried to start libreoffice but nothing
happened. So I opened a tty, typed in libreoffice, hit return/ and
nothing happened. No error. It just went to the next line. So I
tried to reinstall it and stuff installed. then I tried to open
libreoffice-calc but it isn't on the computer.

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Re: What happened to libre office?

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

the ol' microsoft fix fixed it. I rebooted.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 2:12 AM Pablo Camacho via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Perhaps refreshing the package repository and installing again  may work.
> Another option is to install an older working version of libreoffice.
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 6:02 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Old school is to reboot to fix errors!!
>>
>> In the early days of DOS and Windows a reboot was often necessary.
>>
>>
>> On 2024-08-27 17:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > got it fixed. a reboot did it!
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:39 PM Michael  wrote:
>> >
>> >> sudo apt install libreoffice-calc
>> >> [sudo] password for bmike1:
>> >> Reading package lists... Done
>> >> Building dependency tree... Done
>> >> Reading state information... Done
>> >> libreoffice-calc is already the newest version
>> >> (4:24.2.5-0ubuntu0.24.04.2).
>> >> libreoffice-calc set to manually installed.
>> >> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
>> >> bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ libreoffice-calc
>> >> libreoffice-calc: command not found
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Michael  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I started my computer then tried to start libreoffice but nothing
>> >>> happened. So I opened a tty, typed in libreoffice, hit return/ and
>> >>> nothing happened. No error. It just went to the next line. So I
>> >>> tried to reinstall it and stuff installed. then I tried to open
>> >>> libreoffice-calc but it isn't on the computer.
>> >>
>> >> --
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Re: What happened to libre office?

[Pablo Camacho via PLUG-discuss]

Perhaps refreshing the package repository and installing again  may work.
Another option is to install an older working version of libreoffice.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 6:02 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
> Old school is to reboot to fix errors!!
>
> In the early days of DOS and Windows a reboot was often necessary.
>
>
> On 2024-08-27 17:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > got it fixed. a reboot did it!
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:39 PM Michael  wrote:
> >
> >> sudo apt install libreoffice-calc
> >> [sudo] password for bmike1:
> >> Reading package lists... Done
> >> Building dependency tree... Done
> >> Reading state information... Done
> >> libreoffice-calc is already the newest version
> >> (4:24.2.5-0ubuntu0.24.04.2).
> >> libreoffice-calc set to manually installed.
> >> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
> >> bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ libreoffice-calc
> >> libreoffice-calc: command not found
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Michael  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I started my computer then tried to start libreoffice but nothing
> >>> happened. So I opened a tty, typed in libreoffice, hit return/ and
> >>> nothing happened. No error. It just went to the next line. So I
> >>> tried to reinstall it and stuff installed. then I tried to open
> >>> libreoffice-calc but it isn't on the computer.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: What happened to libre office?

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Old school is to reboot to fix errors!!

In the early days of DOS and Windows a reboot was often necessary.


On 2024-08-27 17:06, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

got it fixed. a reboot did it!

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:39 PM Michael  wrote:


sudo apt install libreoffice-calc
[sudo] password for bmike1:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
libreoffice-calc is already the newest version
(4:24.2.5-0ubuntu0.24.04.2).
libreoffice-calc set to manually installed.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-calc: command not found

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Michael  wrote:


I started my computer then tried to start libreoffice but nothing
happened. So I opened a tty, typed in libreoffice, hit return/ and
nothing happened. No error. It just went to the next line. So I
tried to reinstall it and stuff installed. then I tried to open
libreoffice-calc but it isn't on the computer.


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Re: What happened to libre office?

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

got it fixed. a reboot did it!

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:39 PM Michael  wrote:

>  sudo apt install libreoffice-calc
> [sudo] password for bmike1:
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading state information... Done
> libreoffice-calc is already the newest version (4:24.2.5-0ubuntu0.24.04.2).
> libreoffice-calc set to manually installed.
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
> bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ libreoffice-calc
> libreoffice-calc: command not found
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Michael  wrote:
>
>> I started my computer then tried to start libreoffice but nothing
>> happened. So I opened a tty, typed in libreoffice, hit return/ and nothing
>> happened. No error. It just went to the next line. So I tried to reinstall
>> it and stuff installed. then I tried to open libreoffice-calc but it isn't
>> on the computer.
>>
>
>
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Re: What happened to libre office?

[Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss]

Minor item:
The command for libre office calc is "localc", not "libreoffice-calc" (which 
might explain why the command isn't found).
"man -k office" should list a few other options for you.

On 8/27/24 14:39, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

  sudo apt install libreoffice-calc
[sudo] password for bmike1:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
libreoffice-calc is already the newest version (4:24.2.5-0ubuntu0.24.04.2).
libreoffice-calc set to manually installed.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-calc: command not found

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Michael  wrote:


I started my computer then tried to start libreoffice but nothing
happened. So I opened a tty, typed in libreoffice, hit return/ and nothing
happened. No error. It just went to the next line. So I tried to reinstall
it and stuff installed. then I tried to open libreoffice-calc but it isn't
on the computer.





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Re: What happened to libre office?

[Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss]

You may wish to try the following to completely re-install libreoffice (just in 
case something got out of whack):
sudo apt install --reinstall libreoffice

On 8/27/24 14:39, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

  sudo apt install libreoffice-calc
[sudo] password for bmike1:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
libreoffice-calc is already the newest version (4:24.2.5-0ubuntu0.24.04.2).
libreoffice-calc set to manually installed.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-calc: command not found

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Michael  wrote:


I started my computer then tried to start libreoffice but nothing
happened. So I opened a tty, typed in libreoffice, hit return/ and nothing
happened. No error. It just went to the next line. So I tried to reinstall
it and stuff installed. then I tried to open libreoffice-calc but it isn't
on the computer.





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Re: What happened to libre office?

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

 sudo apt install libreoffice-calc
[sudo] password for bmike1:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
libreoffice-calc is already the newest version (4:24.2.5-0ubuntu0.24.04.2).
libreoffice-calc set to manually installed.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-calc: command not found

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Michael  wrote:

> I started my computer then tried to start libreoffice but nothing
> happened. So I opened a tty, typed in libreoffice, hit return/ and nothing
> happened. No error. It just went to the next line. So I tried to reinstall
> it and stuff installed. then I tried to open libreoffice-calc but it isn't
> on the computer.
>


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Re: duplicate directory tree

[Pablo Camacho via PLUG-discuss]

In terminal, you can delete the entire new directory with command

rm -rf ./new_directory





On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 10:17 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> I got a problem. a while ago I accidentally pulled a directory into
> another directory and copied all the directories into the new directory. I
> THINK some of the files in the directory were my pictures. Well, I'm
> running out of room and need to delete those directories. Could someone
> show me how to do this?
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Re: duplicate directory tree

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Well, "rm -rf DIRECTORY" will kill it, but rather than just blindly doing
that, you might consider using the FIND command and searching for certain
files (-iname "*.jpg) or something.

ChatGPT should be able to give you the proper FIND syntax with -exec

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> I got a problem. a while ago I accidentally pulled a directory into
> another directory and copied all the directories into the new directory. I
> THINK some of the files in the directory were my pictures. Well, I'm
> running out of room and need to delete those directories. Could someone
> show me how to do this?
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Re: Stammtisch Tuesday night at Boulders

[Pablo Camacho via PLUG-discuss]

Thank you for letting me know. I may be able to go to the next one.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 3:52 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
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> moin moin,
>
> The FLOSS Stammtisch is Tuesday night at Boulders on Southern.
>
> We meet monthly at 19:00 for conversation, food and drinks on the third
> Tuesday.
>
> Physical location - Boulders on Southern, 1010 W Southern Ave, Mesa, AZ
>
> https://gettogether.community/events/59754/floss-stammtisch/
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: Changing the hostname

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

This is my 3rd or 4th time creating a LAMP stack from a Ubuntu 24.04LTS 
server that is a guest on VirtualBox.


I'm taking copious notes.  Couple more times might flesh out everything 
I need to know... YIKES!!!


Thanks for the encouragement!!






On 2024-08-19 16:31, greg zegan wrote:

Did that work?
Great question by the way.

 On Monday, August 19, 2024 at 04:30:31 PM MST, Keith Smith via
PLUG-discuss  wrote:

Solution  :  hostnamectl set-hostname --transient 

It appears there is a thing called transient hostname.

On 2024-08-19 09:10, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,

I am changing the hostname on Ubuntu 24.04LTS server.

I do the following:

Change the hostname using sudo vi /etc/hostname
Change the hostname using sudo vi /etc/hosts
Restart : sudo systemctl restart systemd-hostnamed
Verify with : hostnamectl which returns the new hostname

However when I issue the command "hostname" it gives me the old
hostname.

When I do a reboot the command hostname give the new hostname.

Any thoughts why this is?

Thanks!!
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Re: Changing the hostname

[greg zegan via PLUG-discuss]

 Did that work?Great question by the way.
On Monday, August 19, 2024 at 04:30:31 PM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:  
 
 Solution  :  hostnamectl set-hostname --transient 

It appears there is a thing called transient hostname.



On 2024-08-19 09:10, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am changing the hostname on Ubuntu 24.04LTS server.
> 
> I do the following:
> 
> Change the hostname using sudo vi /etc/hostname
> Change the hostname using sudo vi /etc/hosts
> Restart : sudo systemctl restart systemd-hostnamed
> Verify with : hostnamectl which returns the new hostname
> 
> However when I issue the command "hostname" it gives me the old 
> hostname.
> 
> When I do a reboot the command hostname give the new hostname.
> 
> Any thoughts why this is?
> 
> Thanks!!
> Keith
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Re: Changing the hostname

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Solution  :  hostnamectl set-hostname --transient 

It appears there is a thing called transient hostname.



On 2024-08-19 09:10, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,

I am changing the hostname on Ubuntu 24.04LTS server.

I do the following:

Change the hostname using sudo vi /etc/hostname
Change the hostname using sudo vi /etc/hosts
Restart : sudo systemctl restart systemd-hostnamed
Verify with : hostnamectl which returns the new hostname

However when I issue the command "hostname" it gives me the old 
hostname.


When I do a reboot the command hostname give the new hostname.

Any thoughts why this is?

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Re: Network UPS Monitoring ...

[James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss]

Do you have apcupsd configured?  That's how we do it.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:51 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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> Does anyone in this community have any experience managing Network UPS?
>
> I purchased an "APC 3000VA Smart-UPS" (
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0785NCFMY) in 2020. It's been
> performing exactly as it should ever since, and life is great.
>
> However, when I've had it, I have experienced two or three "catastrophic"
> power outages (*line utility goes out*), and the UPS kicks in and does
> exactly what it is supposed to do.
>
> My problem is that in the time between buying the UPS and now, my homelab
> has grown significantly, and in one of those power outages, I
> overestimated my battery time, and my entire stack died while I was fucking
> around with one of the servers.
>
> In my most recent power loss, learning from the past, I raced downstairs
> at 2AM with all the UPS alarms beeping loudly, and I raced to shut down the
> stack properly, knowing (*this time*) that I'd only got about 5 minutes
> of life. I got everything shut down this time, which is good—but it forced
> me to take a good hard look at some kind of Automated Shutdown.
>
> I've known for a long time that these things *could* happen, but I've
> never had a need to investigate. Well, here we are, LOL.
>
> I have the APS UPS connected to my switch, and it is getting a DHCP IP --
> and I can see ARP requests going back and forth -- my pfSense FW shows that 
> *it
> is* sending/receiving data -- albeit just a few kilobytes here and there,
> but I know there is TCP/IP life on it -- but I'm at a loss beyond that.
> I've tried to SSH to it, but I just always get a "Connection Refused" --
> using the "default" credentials I found online, "apc/apc"...
>
> So yeah, anyone out there with any background or experience with Network
> UPSs, I'd love to chat with you to figure out how I can get into this thing
> and make it do what I'm absolutely certain it's capable of doing!
>
> --
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> Alex.
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Re: Network UPS Monitoring ...

[Rusty via PLUG-discuss]

Unfortunately, APC can be difficult to talk to with Linux. Some of them have a 
serial port (with a weird pin out), some can talk to the APC Windows program.

My experience was, I gave up on APC and went with a Linux friendly company. 
Probably doesn't help you, sorry!

You can try apcupsd and see if it works for you. Apparently it can talk over 
USB, if you can connect to the UPS with USB.

Duckduckgo "APC Linux" (or Google if you don't care about privacy ;-)


On August 15, 2024 4:51:23 PM MST, "Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss" 
 wrote:
>Does anyone in this community have any experience managing Network UPS?
>
>I purchased an "APC 3000VA Smart-UPS" (
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0785NCFMY) in 2020. It's been performing
>exactly as it should ever since, and life is great.
>
>However, when I've had it, I have experienced two or three "catastrophic"
>power outages (*line utility goes out*), and the UPS kicks in and does
>exactly what it is supposed to do.
>
>My problem is that in the time between buying the UPS and now, my homelab
>has grown significantly, and in one of those power outages, I
>overestimated my battery time, and my entire stack died while I was fucking
>around with one of the servers.
>
>In my most recent power loss, learning from the past, I raced downstairs at
>2AM with all the UPS alarms beeping loudly, and I raced to shut down the
>stack properly, knowing (*this time*) that I'd only got about 5 minutes of
>life. I got everything shut down this time, which is good—but it forced me
>to take a good hard look at some kind of Automated Shutdown.
>
>I've known for a long time that these things *could* happen, but I've never
>had a need to investigate. Well, here we are, LOL.
>
>I have the APS UPS connected to my switch, and it is getting a DHCP IP --
>and I can see ARP requests going back and forth -- my pfSense FW shows that *it
>is* sending/receiving data -- albeit just a few kilobytes here and there,
>but I know there is TCP/IP life on it -- but I'm at a loss beyond that.
>I've tried to SSH to it, but I just always get a "Connection Refused" --
>using the "default" credentials I found online, "apc/apc"...
>
>So yeah, anyone out there with any background or experience with Network
>UPSs, I'd love to chat with you to figure out how I can get into this thing
>and make it do what I'm absolutely certain it's capable of doing!
>
>--
>Thanks,
>Alex.

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Re: what command should I issue?

[Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss]

Hey guys,

I always have this in mind when dealing with CLI based apps:

Command

When it comes to file type operations, the above formula works rather nicely 
and keeps me from committing major mistakes. Sometimes, the destination 
argument is not needed and the optional pipes argument allows for some 
interesting outputs.

-Eric
>From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Base ops Dept.


> On Aug 3, 2024, at 9:16 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have to leave soon and I started to run timeshift for the first time using 
> rsync.
> I want to turn off the computer and everything in two hours. WHat should I 
> tell it?
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Re: Thousands of cache files clutter ...

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On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 6:25 PM joe--- via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> How crucial are the thousands of cache
> files cluttering up our computers?
>

To my knowledge, they are not crucial.
I delete them before a full back of my $HOME and have not seen any
application breakage.

I have my shell script here for you to modify to fit your needs.

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#!/bin/bash

#
# Script to clean up files in [Cc]ache [Tt]rash in user's home directories
#

[ ! -d $HOME ] && echo "There is no HOME dir for $USER" && return 1

TMPFILE=/tmp/cache_n_trash_dirs$$

# define directory strings here
dir_string1="\( -type d -iname '*cache*' \)"
dir_string2="\( -type d -iname '*trash*' \)"
dir_string3="\( -type d -iname '.local' \)"

find $HOME \( -type d -iname '*cache*' \) -o \( -type d -iname '*trash*' \)
| \
sed -e 's/^/"/' -e 's/$/\/"/' | sed -e 's/^/rm -fr /' > $TMPFILE

# add thumbnails directory to the list
echo "rm -fr $HOME/.thumbnails/* " >> $TMPFILE

cat << EOF

Temporary shell script file written in $TMPFILE;
Please execute the following line:

bash $TMPFILE

EOF


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Re: going back to a libre calc file from two days ago

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On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 10:55 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> what a pisser! thanks for all the help you give, buddy. I really
> appreciate it.
>

Moving forward, to avoid future foo bars, "rsync" your important files to
an external USB drive regularly.

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Re: what command should I issue?

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

I would do things differently, but that's probably a "Coke Vs. Pepsi"
argument.

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On Sun, Aug 4, 2024, 11:13 Michael  wrote:

> this is what the final product looks like. DO you recommend a change?
>
> !/bin/bash
>
> # Define source and destination
> SOURCE="/home/bmike1/"
> DESTINATION="/media/rsync/backup/"
> LABEL="rsync"  # Label of your drive
>
> # Define rsync options
> OPTIONS="-av --delete --exclude='*.lock' --exclude='google-chrome/'
> --exclude='>
>
> # Ensure the destination directory exists
> if [ ! -d "$DESTINATION" ]; then
>   mkdir -p "$DESTINATION"
> fi
>
> # Mount the drive if it's not already mounted
> if ! mountpoint -q "$DESTINATION"; then
>   echo "Mounting the drive..."
>   sudo mount -L "$LABEL" "$DESTINATION" || { echo "Failed to mount drive
> with l>
> fi
>
> # Run rsync command
> rsync $OPTIONS $SOURCE $DESTINATION
>
> # Wait for user input before exiting
> echo "Backup completed. Press any key to exit."
> read -n 1 -s
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 2:06 PM Michael  wrote:
>
>> thanks buddy. I got it worked through. sorry for the clutter.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 1:48 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I mean that'll get stuff sure -- but I'm not sure what you're
>>> trying to do.
>>>
>>> Remember, ChatGPT will only point you in the right direction ... Like
>>> you're sledding in winter, it'll point you towards the downhill side, but
>>> it won't stop you from crashing ... You've got to bring SOMETHING to the
>>> table.
>>>
>>> What is your goal? Tell me in plain English what you're trying to
>>> accomplish and I can help you write a command, or script, to do that.
>>>
>>> Feel free to ping me directly, to keep the distro uncluttered.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alexander
>>>
>>> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024, 10:25 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 I'm running around in circles with chat gpt. I want to backup
 /home/bmike1 user created data and all other pertinent files.
 This is what it tells me:

 #!/bin/bash
 # Define source and destination
 SOURCE="/home/bmike1/"
 DESTINATION="/media/rsync/backup/" # Define rsync options
 OPTIONS="-av --delete --exclude='*.lock' --exclude='google-chrome/'
 --exclude='firefox/' --exclude='thunderbird/'"
 # Run rsync command
 rsync $OPTIONS $SOURCE $DESTINATION

 WIll this do it for me?
 As for the pertinent files I did this before and there was a few other
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Re: Thousands of cache files clutter ...

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

Yeah, I mean, "cache" is just cache. I think critical data files are stored
elsewhere.

You can delete files based on time (last modified) time.

https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/find.1.html

The section about "Tests" will cover the mtime and other useful flags.

You can pair that with "-exec rm -f '{}' " to blindly remove them.

find '/home/joe/.cache/google-chrome' -type f -mtime +7 -exec rm -f '{}' \;

That's what I got from memory and typing on my phone, in bed, LOL. If
that's not it, then it'll get you really close, but I think that's a good
command.

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Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024, 18:19 joe--- via PLUG-discuss <
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> How crucial are the thousands of cache
> files cluttering up our computers?
>
> /home/joe/.cache/google-chrome/Default
> drwx 3   4096 Apr  4 2019 Storage   empty
> drwx 4   4096 Jan 21 2020 Code Cache/js 6290 files
> drwx 3 471040 Jan 24 2022 Cache
> /.cache/google-chrome/Default/Cache/Cache_Data
> *** 14197 files from 2023 to a week ago.
>
> Is there any risk in deleting all this clutter?
>
> What is the command syntax to selectively delete
> files between certain dates and/or all those
> older than a certain date?
>
> == searching for advice, I found this:
> https://www.zdnet.com › Business › Google
> Apr 3, 2020 — These hidden cache files are
> bloating your Google Chrome. Google Chrome
> could be storing a hundred thousand cached
> files on your computer ...
> Q: Is it safe to delete Google cache files?
> A: Clearing your browser cache does not
> delete those excess files.
> by: zdnet ~ April 3, 2020
> =
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Re: what command should I issue?

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

this is what the final product looks like. DO you recommend a change?

!/bin/bash

# Define source and destination
SOURCE="/home/bmike1/"
DESTINATION="/media/rsync/backup/"
LABEL="rsync"  # Label of your drive

# Define rsync options
OPTIONS="-av --delete --exclude='*.lock' --exclude='google-chrome/'
--exclude='>

# Ensure the destination directory exists
if [ ! -d "$DESTINATION" ]; then
  mkdir -p "$DESTINATION"
fi

# Mount the drive if it's not already mounted
if ! mountpoint -q "$DESTINATION"; then
  echo "Mounting the drive..."
  sudo mount -L "$LABEL" "$DESTINATION" || { echo "Failed to mount drive
with l>
fi

# Run rsync command
rsync $OPTIONS $SOURCE $DESTINATION

# Wait for user input before exiting
echo "Backup completed. Press any key to exit."
read -n 1 -s



On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 2:06 PM Michael  wrote:

> thanks buddy. I got it worked through. sorry for the clutter.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 1:48 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>
>> Well, I mean that'll get stuff sure -- but I'm not sure what you're
>> trying to do.
>>
>> Remember, ChatGPT will only point you in the right direction ... Like
>> you're sledding in winter, it'll point you towards the downhill side, but
>> it won't stop you from crashing ... You've got to bring SOMETHING to the
>> table.
>>
>> What is your goal? Tell me in plain English what you're trying to
>> accomplish and I can help you write a command, or script, to do that.
>>
>> Feel free to ping me directly, to keep the distro uncluttered.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Alexander
>>
>> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024, 10:25 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running around in circles with chat gpt. I want to backup
>>> /home/bmike1 user created data and all other pertinent files.
>>> This is what it tells me:
>>>
>>> #!/bin/bash
>>> # Define source and destination
>>> SOURCE="/home/bmike1/"
>>> DESTINATION="/media/rsync/backup/" # Define rsync options
>>> OPTIONS="-av --delete --exclude='*.lock' --exclude='google-chrome/'
>>> --exclude='firefox/' --exclude='thunderbird/'"
>>> # Run rsync command
>>> rsync $OPTIONS $SOURCE $DESTINATION
>>>
>>> WIll this do it for me?
>>> As for the pertinent files I did this before and there was a few other
>>> directories involved. do I need to worry about it?
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Re: what command should I issue?

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

thanks buddy. I got it worked through. sorry for the clutter.


On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 1:48 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:

> Well, I mean that'll get stuff sure -- but I'm not sure what you're trying
> to do.
>
> Remember, ChatGPT will only point you in the right direction ... Like
> you're sledding in winter, it'll point you towards the downhill side, but
> it won't stop you from crashing ... You've got to bring SOMETHING to the
> table.
>
> What is your goal? Tell me in plain English what you're trying to
> accomplish and I can help you write a command, or script, to do that.
>
> Feel free to ping me directly, to keep the distro uncluttered.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024, 10:25 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm running around in circles with chat gpt. I want to backup
>> /home/bmike1 user created data and all other pertinent files.
>> This is what it tells me:
>>
>> #!/bin/bash
>> # Define source and destination
>> SOURCE="/home/bmike1/"
>> DESTINATION="/media/rsync/backup/" # Define rsync options
>> OPTIONS="-av --delete --exclude='*.lock' --exclude='google-chrome/'
>> --exclude='firefox/' --exclude='thunderbird/'"
>> # Run rsync command
>> rsync $OPTIONS $SOURCE $DESTINATION
>>
>> WIll this do it for me?
>> As for the pertinent files I did this before and there was a few other
>> directories involved. do I need to worry about it?
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Re: what command should I issue?

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

Well, I mean that'll get stuff sure -- but I'm not sure what you're trying
to do.

Remember, ChatGPT will only point you in the right direction ... Like
you're sledding in winter, it'll point you towards the downhill side, but
it won't stop you from crashing ... You've got to bring SOMETHING to the
table.

What is your goal? Tell me in plain English what you're trying to
accomplish and I can help you write a command, or script, to do that.

Feel free to ping me directly, to keep the distro uncluttered.

--
Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024, 10:25 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I'm running around in circles with chat gpt. I want to backup /home/bmike1
> user created data and all other pertinent files.
> This is what it tells me:
>
> #!/bin/bash
> # Define source and destination
> SOURCE="/home/bmike1/"
> DESTINATION="/media/rsync/backup/" # Define rsync options
> OPTIONS="-av --delete --exclude='*.lock' --exclude='google-chrome/'
> --exclude='firefox/' --exclude='thunderbird/'"
> # Run rsync command
> rsync $OPTIONS $SOURCE $DESTINATION
>
> WIll this do it for me?
> As for the pertinent files I did this before and there was a few other
> directories involved. do I need to worry about it?
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Re: what command should I issue?

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I'm running around in circles with chat gpt. I want to backup /home/bmike1
user created data and all other pertinent files.
This is what it tells me:

#!/bin/bash
# Define source and destination
SOURCE="/home/bmike1/"
DESTINATION="/media/rsync/backup/" # Define rsync options
OPTIONS="-av --delete --exclude='*.lock' --exclude='google-chrome/'
--exclude='firefox/' --exclude='thunderbird/'"
# Run rsync command
rsync $OPTIONS $SOURCE $DESTINATION

WIll this do it for me?
As for the pertinent files I did this before and there was a few other
directories involved. do I need to worry about it?
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Re: what command should I issue?

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

Yeah, 4o is light years better than 3.5 or 4. It's incredible.

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On Sat, Aug 3, 2024, 14:45  wrote:

>
> The new free version of Chat is 4o ... Seems a little or maybe a lot
> better.
>
>
>
> On 2024-08-03 14:02, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > never mind chatgpt worked that one out
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 12:16 PM Michael  wrote:
> >
> >> I have to leave soon and I started to run timeshift for the first
> >> time using rsync.
> >>
> >> I want to turn off the computer and everything in two hours. WHat
> >> should I tell it?
> >
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Re: what command should I issue?

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

The new free version of Chat is 4o ... Seems a little or maybe a lot 
better.




On 2024-08-03 14:02, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

never mind chatgpt worked that one out

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 12:16 PM Michael  wrote:


I have to leave soon and I started to run timeshift for the first
time using rsync.

I want to turn off the computer and everything in two hours. WHat
should I tell it?


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Re: what command should I issue?

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

never mind chatgpt worked that one out

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 12:16 PM Michael  wrote:

> I have to leave soon and I started to run timeshift for the first time
> using rsync.
> I want to turn off the computer and everything in two hours. WHat should I
> tell it?
>


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Re: going back to a libre calc file from two days ago

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

well I'm going to  use timeshift->rsync.
I just created  a back up to sdc but nothing is available to restore. Is
there a secret to it?

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 12:30 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> If we're talking about backups, along with taking actual backups I use
> BTRFS and use snapper to take a snapshot of my filesystem hourly, keeping 3
> of the latest daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly backups. So if I did mess
> up something I should be able to find an appropriate backup depending on
> how long ago it was.
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, at 6:50 PM, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss
> wrote:
>
> Nope. Whatever was, is no more. Without sophisticated backup software that
> is taking daily or hourly snapshots, after a successful save, the program
> almost certainly isn't saving any meaningful way to back out any changes.
>
> I didn't set up my backup software until after I had a catastrophic data
> loss.
>
> Welcome to the club!
>
> I use Acronis Data backup. It takes hourly snapshots of my important
> folders, and stores the diffs, but it won't take an empty diff, so it's
> only storing changes.
>
> For my Linux data I do daily rsync with my backup server. The backup sends
> it's data to the cloud.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, 14:57 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> I'm in trouble. I really need to go back to an earlier version of my calc
> document. Chat gpt wasn't any help. Does anyone here know if it is possible?
> Mike
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Re: going back to a libre calc file from two days ago

[Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss]

If we're talking about backups, along with taking actual backups I use BTRFS 
and use snapper to take a snapshot of my filesystem hourly, keeping 3 of the 
latest daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly backups. So if I did mess up 
something I should be able to find an appropriate backup depending on how long 
ago it was.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, at 6:50 PM, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Nope. Whatever was, is no more. Without sophisticated backup software that is 
> taking daily or hourly snapshots, after a successful save, the program almost 
> certainly isn't saving any meaningful way to back out any changes. 
> 
> I didn't set up my backup software until after I had a catastrophic data loss.
> 
> Welcome to the club! 
> 
> I use Acronis Data backup. It takes hourly snapshots of my important folders, 
> and stores the diffs, but it won't take an empty diff, so it's only storing 
> changes. 
> 
> For my Linux data I do daily rsync with my backup server. The backup sends 
> it's data to the cloud.
> 
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
> 
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
> 
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, 14:57 Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>> I'm in trouble. I really need to go back to an earlier version of my calc 
>> document. Chat gpt wasn't any help. Does anyone here know if it is possible?
>> Mike
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Re: going back to a libre calc file from two days ago

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what a pisser! thanks for all the help you give, buddy. I really appreciate
it.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 9:50 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:

> Nope. Whatever was, is no more. Without sophisticated backup software that
> is taking daily or hourly snapshots, after a successful save, the program
> almost certainly isn't saving any meaningful way to back out any changes.
>
> I didn't set up my backup software until after I had a catastrophic data
> loss.
>
> Welcome to the club!
>
> I use Acronis Data backup. It takes hourly snapshots of my important
> folders, and stores the diffs, but it won't take an empty diff, so it's
> only storing changes.
>
> For my Linux data I do daily rsync with my backup server. The backup sends
> it's data to the cloud.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, 14:57 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm in trouble. I really need to go back to an earlier version of my calc
>> document. Chat gpt wasn't any help. Does anyone here know if it is possible?
>> Mike
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Re: going back to a libre calc file from two days ago

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

Nope. Whatever was, is no more. Without sophisticated backup software that
is taking daily or hourly snapshots, after a successful save, the program
almost certainly isn't saving any meaningful way to back out any changes.

I didn't set up my backup software until after I had a catastrophic data
loss.

Welcome to the club!

I use Acronis Data backup. It takes hourly snapshots of my important
folders, and stores the diffs, but it won't take an empty diff, so it's
only storing changes.

For my Linux data I do daily rsync with my backup server. The backup sends
it's data to the cloud.

--
Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro

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plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I'm in trouble. I really need to go back to an earlier version of my calc
> document. Chat gpt wasn't any help. Does anyone here know if it is possible?
> Mike
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Re: browser woes

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The problem was my wireless keyboard and mouse.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, 8:29 AM Michael  wrote:

> Nope. Not it.
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 7:55 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>> h I forgot to remove one of the peripherals. The wifi dongle. So
>> let's see what happens now!
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 9:40 PM Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm beginning to think it is this cheap walmart wireless mouse.I have
>>> unplugged everything except the keyboard (which we already determined it is
>>> not) and the mouse. Weird things are still happening. Now right clicks are
>>> happening when I am not touching the mouse. And when I first started the
>>> browser... this is too difficult to continue writing
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 7:51 PM Michael  wrote:
>>>
 I did that...multiple times. I'll try the peristalsis thing and let you
 know. Thanks for the suggestion Alexander


 On Wed, Jul 31, 2024, 7:11 PM  wrote:

>
> Lets go old school - reboot.
>
>
> On 2024-07-31 12:11, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Yes, I have one. And I did. I changed the batteries first in the
> > wireless. Then I changed to a wired. I thought that it might be the
> > mouse but I can only change the batteries in that as I trashed the
> > wired mouse that I had (oops). But that didn't help any.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 2:46 PM Snyder, Alexander J
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Do you have a spare keyboard to test? Maybe some stuck keys?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alexander
> >>
> >> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024, 11:27 Michael via PLUG-discuss
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> the open files window  just opened. so it seems that the
> >> control button paired with a key is being passed to the computer or
> >> something like that.  just happened .
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 10:17 AM Michael  wrote:
> >>
> >> It still does it even though the batteries are chnasged.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 10:15 AM Michael  wrote:
> >>
> >> the browser is chrome and by back up I mean like alt+back arrow.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 10:13 AM Michael  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a problem and was wondering if anyone knows what's wrong. I
> >> open a browser and after some time passes it goes back (sometimes
> >> multiple pages). I thought it was the battery in my keyboard but it
> >> still does it even though I changed the batteries AND switched to a
> >> wired keyboard. Maybe it's the mouse! I just changed the batteris.
> >> We will see. Am I totally off?
> >>
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Re: WordPress moving away from PHP to JavaScript

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

On 2024-08-01 15:12, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Can’t tell you.

I think it’s optimized for Chromium. The only browser I’ve had any
trouble with is Safari.

 -David Schwartz



Years ago I used jQuery to deal with the browser anomalies.






On Aug 1, 2024, at 3:02 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
On 2024-08-01 14:34, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Javascript is morphing into a universal assembly language /
portable intermediate language for web-based needs. It’s also
used on an increasing number of back-end services. It’s not
exclusively for Ajax any more.
I use something called TMS WEB Core that uses the pas2js
transpiler to compile Delphi/Object Pascal into js that lets you
build web apps within the Delphi IDE written in Object Pascal, and
it runs inside the web browser. They had to add some (very
welcome) tweaks to the OP language to deal with async issues, but
it’s really cool and very easy to work with. I can’t say if
Delphi itself is growing, but it works with FreePascal and Lazarus
as well.
They have a new feature in beta that provides a full live HTML
editor within the Delph IDE that will make it a LOT easier to do
fully responsive UI design using HTML4 and CSS.
-David Schwartz


How does Delphi, and others, deal with the quirkiness of JS - each
browser interprets JS just a little different?

On Aug 1, 2024, at 1:43 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
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Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:31:09 -0700
Hi,
I read that WordPress is on a 10 year plan to move away from PHP and
become all JavaScript.
Anyone aware of this?
1. I wasn't aware of it.
2. Why
3. If it will take 10 years, is it really worth it? And 10 years
from
now, might Javascript be considered old and not so good? I know a
lot of people who don't like Javascript, some people disable
Javascript, and some people use browsers that don't do Javascript.

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Re: WordPress moving away from PHP to JavaScript

[David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss]

Can’t tell you.

I think it’s optimized for Chromium. The only browser I’ve had any trouble with 
is Safari.

-David Schwartz




> On Aug 1, 2024, at 3:02 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
> 
> On 2024-08-01 14:34, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Javascript is morphing into a universal assembly language / portable 
>> intermediate language for web-based needs. It’s also used on an increasing 
>> number of back-end services. It’s not exclusively for Ajax any more.
>> I use something called TMS WEB Core that uses the pas2js transpiler to 
>> compile Delphi/Object Pascal into js that lets you build web apps within the 
>> Delphi IDE written in Object Pascal, and it runs inside the web browser. 
>> They had to add some (very welcome) tweaks to the OP language to deal with 
>> async issues, but it’s really cool and very easy to work with. I can’t say 
>> if Delphi itself is growing, but it works with FreePascal and Lazarus as 
>> well.
>> They have a new feature in beta that provides a full live HTML editor within 
>> the Delph IDE that will make it a LOT easier to do fully responsive UI 
>> design using HTML4 and CSS.
>> -David Schwartz
> 
> 
> How does Delphi, and others, deal with the quirkiness of JS - each browser 
> interprets JS just a little different?
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2024, at 1:43 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:31:09 -0700
 Hi,
 I read that WordPress is on a 10 year plan to move away from PHP and
 become all JavaScript.
 Anyone aware of this?
>>> 1. I wasn't aware of it.
>>> 2. Why
>>> 3. If it will take 10 years, is it really worth it? And 10 years from
>>>  now, might Javascript be considered old and not so good? I know a
>>>  lot of people who don't like Javascript, some people disable
>>>  Javascript, and some people use browsers that don't do Javascript.
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Re: WordPress moving away from PHP to JavaScript

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

On 2024-08-01 14:34, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Javascript is morphing into a universal assembly language / portable 
intermediate language for web-based needs. It’s also used on an 
increasing number of back-end services. It’s not exclusively for Ajax 
any more.


I use something called TMS WEB Core that uses the pas2js transpiler to 
compile Delphi/Object Pascal into js that lets you build web apps 
within the Delphi IDE written in Object Pascal, and it runs inside the 
web browser. They had to add some (very welcome) tweaks to the OP 
language to deal with async issues, but it’s really cool and very easy 
to work with. I can’t say if Delphi itself is growing, but it works 
with FreePascal and Lazarus as well.


They have a new feature in beta that provides a full live HTML editor 
within the Delph IDE that will make it a LOT easier to do fully 
responsive UI design using HTML4 and CSS.


-David Schwartz





How does Delphi, and others, deal with the quirkiness of JS - each 
browser interprets JS just a little different?







On Aug 1, 2024, at 1:43 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:31:09 -0700


Hi,

I read that WordPress is on a 10 year plan to move away from PHP and
become all JavaScript.

Anyone aware of this?


1. I wasn't aware of it.
2. Why
3. If it will take 10 years, is it really worth it? And 10 years from
  now, might Javascript be considered old and not so good? I know a
  lot of people who don't like Javascript, some people disable
  Javascript, and some people use browsers that don't do Javascript.




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Re: WordPress moving away from PHP to JavaScript

[David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss]

Javascript is morphing into a universal assembly language / portable 
intermediate language for web-based needs. It’s also used on an increasing 
number of back-end services. It’s not exclusively for Ajax any more.

I use something called TMS WEB Core that uses the pas2js transpiler to compile 
Delphi/Object Pascal into js that lets you build web apps within the Delphi IDE 
written in Object Pascal, and it runs inside the web browser. They had to add 
some (very welcome) tweaks to the OP language to deal with async issues, but 
it’s really cool and very easy to work with. I can’t say if Delphi itself is 
growing, but it works with FreePascal and Lazarus as well.

They have a new feature in beta that provides a full live HTML editor within 
the Delph IDE that will make it a LOT easier to do fully responsive UI design 
using HTML4 and CSS.

-David Schwartz




> On Aug 1, 2024, at 1:43 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:31:09 -0700
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I read that WordPress is on a 10 year plan to move away from PHP and 
>> become all JavaScript.
>> 
>> Anyone aware of this?
> 
> 1. I wasn't aware of it.
> 2. Why
> 3. If it will take 10 years, is it really worth it? And 10 years from
>   now, might Javascript be considered old and not so good? I know a
>   lot of people who don't like Javascript, some people disable
>   Javascript, and some people use browsers that don't do Javascript.
> 
> 

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