Re: hey i found a new toy for iceweasel

[storkus]

Uhh...I wonder how many other mail providers or programs/suites this
vulnerability applies to.  I just got a new e-mail account and it does
the
full-time https thing.  Considering that my internet connection goes
over our 802.11b system in the clear, the thought of those session ID's
and
passwords going in the clear worries me, especially with the number of
people I see getting DHCP leases (but not past the captive portal) on
our system!
And those are just the ones dumb enough to be seen...

Mike

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:18:23 -0800, "Kristian Erik Hermansen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Feb 4, 2008 9:00 PM, Micah DesJardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you use
> >
> > https://mail.google.com
> >
> > instead of http://mail.google.com it remains encrypted after you log in.
> 
> This is not necessarily true.  There have been attacks in which Google
> session ids can be compromised if for a time HTTPS is disrupted.
> Google then attempts to utilize the non-https session and exposed the
> id, which can then be used to log into the account without a user/pass
> combo...
> -- 
> Kristian Erik Hermansen
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Re: Cable cuts

[storkus]

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:40:45 -0700, "Joshua Zeidner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
>  thought this is somewhat relevant and worth posting... very ominous
>  news:
> 
>   
> http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?leftnm=lmnu9&subLeft=2&autono=312626&tab=r
> 
>   _4th undersea cable snaps, Qatar-UAE traffic suffers disruption_
> 
>   ""...to have three undersea cables – or is it actually four cables?
> – cut in the same region in just a two-day span, strains credulity;
> the more so, when we look at how the damage has played out across the
> region... communication cable cutting in West Asia leaves Israel and
> Iraq still connected, while completely shutting down the Iranian
> internet. Funny how that works, isn't it?" asks a professor on his
> site. "
> 
>  -jmz

>From a tactical standpoint I would say this makes a lot of sense,
although I'm sure the Iranians have some satellite connections to back
up the
essential stuff.  I mean, seriously, did anyone think we did NOT have
this capability when we even have undersea microphones to track subs?
Besides that, if we think about it, there's probably no real need to cut
the cable as simply disabling an appropriate repeater or A/D-M would
also do
the trick.  The bigger question then is, who's cooperating with us (or
whoever is doing the black bag job)?

In any case, if this is a precursor to an attack, we should see it begin
very shortly, hours to no more than a few days.  If NOT a precursor, but
still
deliberate, it may simply be a message to Iran (and anyone else in the
region).

On the other hand, there IS Murphy's Law, or have we forgotten that?...

Mike

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Re: hey i found a new toy for iceweasel

[Kristian Erik Hermansen]

On Feb 5, 2008 12:28 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Uhh...I wonder how many other mail providers or programs/suites this
> vulnerability applies to.  I just got a new e-mail account and it does
> the
> full-time https thing.  Considering that my internet connection goes
> over our 802.11b system in the clear, the thought of those session ID's
> and
> passwords going in the clear worries me, especially with the number of
> people I see getting DHCP leases (but not past the captive portal) on
> our system!
> And those are just the ones dumb enough to be seen...

Yeah, if you are really caring about security, you would tunnel
everything over ssh :-)  I think you should implement
unspidedownternet or blurrynet for your free wifi users...heh
http://ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
-- 
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[Fwd: [aztech-work] Unix Administrator needed in Scottsdale!]

[JD Austin]

Who wants a job :)
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CDI IT Solutions has a great opportunity for a Unix Administrator with
our client in Scottsdale, AZ.  This is a 3 month contract position with
possibility of going perm, depending on performance.  The shift is
9pm-9am Saturday-Monday, and some Tuesdays.



Job Description:



This candidate should be an energetic and a well-rounded Unix Systems
Administrator with proven technical experience and sheer enthusiasm to
be able to support our client's site and services in a 24/7, dynamic
and fast-paced growing environment. You will be working with other team
members on ticket queue; responding to technical escalations as well as
escalating out as necessary; and coaching and mentoring the shift staff.
Seeking operational efficiency one shift at a time and one problem at a
time is the winning approach to this position.  This person has to be a
self-starter who is proactive and self-motivated to achieve operational
excellence.



Key Responsibilities:



· Work within a NOC team to provide front line support of our
clients site and services

· Coach and mentor fellow team members to improve technical
skillset

· Provide first level technical and management escalations to
the NOC

· Proactively monitor and troubleshoot production systems to
identify discrepancies and potential problems using Big Brother, Hobbit,
Tivoli and other NOC monitoring tools

· Provide phone/email support to all of internal customers

· Closely manage change to the production site to maintain
stability and availability

· Work with multiple teams of various technical disciplines,
typically via a conference call, to not only fix issues but able to
provide timely status and complete updates in corresponding ticket(s)

· Make sound decisions in extremely short time frames under
immense pressure in a complex technical environment

· Able to Work the Graveyard shifts as required to support a
24x7 staffing model which may include weekends and Holidays

· Be flexible to working overtime as needed

· Responsible for the Day-to-Day activities of the NOC Center

· Manages shift resources to daily goals/objectives

· Ensures all tickets are prioritized correctly and proper
escalation is applied

· Handles all NOC first level escalations

· Ticket queue management

· Able to respond tactically to overflow work

· Communication point for the NOC for all issues

· Share responsibilities and function as back up for shift
TDO



Job Requirements

(Knowledge, skills, abilities, experience required to perform job)



· 5+ years of 24/7/365 NOC experience

· 5-10 years of Unix/Linix/Solaris experience

· 2+ years of management/supervisory experience

· Proven crisis management leadership ability working with
cross functional teams and executive management

· Advanced knowledge of operating system internals, file
system structures, and machine architectures in a UNIX/Linux environment

· World class verbal and written communication skills with
customer satisfaction as the main focus

· Proven problem solving skills with an emphasis on quick
problem resolution in a large eCommerce environment

· Able to flourish in a fast paced, high pressure environment
on every shift!

· Ability to keep abreast of technological changes and
innovation and their applicability to the company's goals

· Advanced experience with Mail, DNS, TCP/IP

· Intermediate LAN/WAN experience

· Working knowledge of relational Databases preferably Oracle

· Experience with web development technologies like HTML,
XML, XSL, Java

· Working knowledge of SAN technologies, Oracle, PERL, AWK,
SED, load balancing technologies, and shell scripting




Don't miss out on this great opportunity!  Send your resume to
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HDHomeRun + Basic Cable + MythTV

[chip33az]

After flip-flopping between SageTV and MythTV for the living room (the 
main computer), I decided on MythTV mostly due to cost.  If I wanted to 
install SageTV, I would have to purchase a Windows license, a SageTV 
license, and then any placeshifter licenses (clients).  I would need 
Windows on the server because I want to watch DVD's there and they don't 
allow that under Linux.

I have basic cable, but read on this list and other places that I could 
get HD from it (which worked).  I purchased the HDHomeRun from 
SiliconDust and so far, I'm impressed.  It is a tiny, network attached 
HD tuner with two inputs.  It took a few minutes to hook up and I was on 
my way to HD!

Well, almost, it recognized the channels and I had to remap them in 
MythTV, but my server isn't close to being able to watch HD.  It is a 
VIA EPIA M-1.  I then found the SD channels and mapped to those 
instead, removing the HD channels.  Still, in the long run, when I can 
afford a better computer, I can use this for HD.

The last thing to do is pay for SchedulesDirect so I can have a TV 
listing.  At $20 a year, it is affordable, and a lot cheaper than the 
SageTV way.

I just thought I report my little adventure if anyone else wanted to do 
HD. 
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Re: MySQL - Bugzilla help

[alex]

Quoting Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 16:28 -0700, David wrote:
>> - "Bryan O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > My hosts file has only one entry
>> > 127.0.0.1 ip-myip.ip.secureserver.net ip-myip
>> > localhost.secureserver.net localhost.localdomain localhost
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, thats not right.   Change it to:
>>
>> 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain  localhost
>> xx.xx.xxx.x   your.real.fqdn   hostname
>>
>>
>> replace the xx's and names as appropriate.
>>
>> It always irked me that redhat did that.  (not bashing.   I prefer   
>> RH for a lot of things.  I just
>> don't like that 1 particular thing)
> 
> that depends upon which tools you use but in reality, it makes little
> difference. It's the same machine and it's more secure if it refers to
> it's own daemons at 127.0.0.1 but I am somewhat anal about these things
> myself and do set it the same way you do.
>

I don't think this what's causing Bryan's issues, but I will add one  
instance where the Red Hat way of doing /etc/hosts really does mess  
things up.

If the machine's FQDN is in /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1, you won't be able  
to set up an SSL (https) virtual host in Apache using that server  
name.  On startup, Apache will look up your FQDN in /etc/hosts, and it  
will start listening for SSL connections on 127.0.0.1, not on your  
public IP.

'/usr/sbin/httpd -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS' will show you how Apache has  
interpreted your vhost settings, and show you which IPs it's listening  
on.  Change /etc/hosts, restart Apache, and it should work.

alex

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Re: Flamebait

[keith smith]

These actions and policies have not been tried in court.  We still have a 4th 
amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and 
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and 
no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or 
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the 
persons or things to be seized.
   

Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 4, 2008 7:44 PM, Craig White  
wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 19:12 -0700, JT Moree wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Craig White wrote:
> >
> > > as for off-topic/on-topic inflammatory statements that tend to generate
> > > long off topic discussions...
> > >
> > > KDE rules!  GNOME sucks!
> > I agree
> >
> > > Emacs rules!vi sucks!
> > I prefer vi
> >
> > > Fedora rules!   SuSE sucks!
> > I prefer DEbian based distros but even the latest kubuntu is giving me fits.
> >
> >
> > > You get my point - if you had merely laughed and let my comment pass, we
> > > clearly would have had 5-10 less discussions on this topic.
> >
> > and you get my point?  if you had not posted the flamebait then we would
> > not be having this discussion.  :/
> 
> as I've already stated, that wasn't flamebait.
>
> This is flamebait...
>
> A president who proposes a record 3.1 trillion dollar budget for FY-2009
> including $515 billion for the defense department, $70 billion dollars
> for bridge spending in Iraq/Afghanistan (for only the 1st quarter of
> 2009) yet knowing that Congress has yet to act upon it's current
> 'emergency war funding request' of $110 billion while cutting Medicare
> and Medicaid benefits in the same proposal.

  I think it was called 'The Omnibus Screw Middle Class Americans Bill'.

  Anyway, every single person on PLUG should be aware of the Telecom
Immunity issue.  We are all connected to this industry and capable of
understanding this issue.  It is extremely important that YOU, as an
American understand what is happening to your rights to privacy.  The
level of privilege (economically and politically) that such powers of
surveillance afford to small, and often unnamed parties is perhaps the
greatest threat to American liberty in decades.

  -jmz
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Re: [Fwd: [aztech-work] Unix Administrator needed in Scottsdale!]

[Charles Jones]

JD Austin wrote:
> Who wants a job :)
I wonder who the "client" is? Sounds exactly like a position at 
Ebay/Paypal that I interviewed for once. They weren't located in 
Scottsdale at the time though.

-Charles
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Re: HDHomeRun + Basic Cable + MythTV

[Daniel Stasinski]

On 2/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have basic cable, but read on this list and other places that I could
> get HD from it (which worked).

I just did a whole MythTV setup too but then discovered that the
expanded channels (22-99) in Tempe require a box.  In my last place
expanded was delivered as analog.  Ticks me off that I spent so much
building a DVR and suddenly it was rendered useless.

A couple questions.   Do you have the cox expanded channels and can
the HDHomeRun decode them?  Does it do compression of the streams so
the DVR doesn't have to do it?

Thanks,

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Cut Cables: WAS: Re: Flamebait

[David]

- "Joshua Zeidner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>  thought this is somewhat relevant and worth posting... very ominous
> news:
> 
>  
> http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?leftnm=lmnu9&subLeft=2&autono=312626&tab=r
> 
>   _4th undersea cable snaps, Qatar-UAE traffic suffers disruption_
> 
>   ""...to have three undersea cables – or is it actually four cables?
> – cut in the same region in just a two-day span, strains credulity;
> the more so, when we look at how the damage has played out across the
> region... communication cable cutting in West Asia leaves Israel and
> Iraq still connected, while completely shutting down the Iranian
> internet. Funny how that works, isn't it?" asks a professor on his
> site. "
> 
>  -jmz


There is only one possible explanation for this:  Cloverfield.

David

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wirelessnot working

[bmike101]

I had  a bout of stupidity and changed the ip address of the router. That threw 
linux off line  and  I called linksys support to get things going. the guy 
from india (what did you say) mAde the windows box not work so after he got 
that going he said good bye. Linux still won't come up and I now realize that 
all I had to do was find out how to used  iipconfig to change the ipaddress 
back to what it was before I began this 'adventure'!

Could you help me get linux going again?
specs:
linksys ip : 192.168.1.1
laptop ip :  192.168.1.101
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wirelessnot working

[bmike101]

I had  a bout of stupidity and changed the ip address of the router. That threw 
linux off line  and  I called linksys support to get things going. the guy 
from india (what did you say) mAde the windows box not work so after he got 
that going he said good bye. Linux still won't come up and I now realize that 
all I had to do was find out how to used  iipconfig to change the ipaddress 
back to what it was before I began this 'adventure'!

Could you help me get linux going again?
specs:
linksys ip : 192.168.1.1
laptop ip :  192.168.1.101
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Re: wirelessnot working

[Jon M. Hanson]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 12:16:07PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I had  a bout of stupidity and changed the ip address of the router. That 
> threw linux off line  and  I called linksys support to get things going. 
> the guy from india (what did you say) mAde the windows box not work so after 
> he got that going he said good bye. Linux still won't come up and I now 
> realize that all I had to do was find out how to used  iipconfig to change 
> the ipaddress back to what it was before I began this 'adventure'!
> 
> Could you help me get linux going again?
> specs:
> linksys ip : 192.168.1.1
> laptop ip :  192.168.1.101

I'm guessing that the laptop is on a static IP address because it sounds
like the problem is that you changed the IP address of your default
gateway. With DHCP this is set for you automatically. So either
release/renew your IP address if using DHCP or change the IP address of
the default gateway to the IP address of the router if using a static IP
address.

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Re: Flamebait

[Joshua Zeidner]

  hope you caught this one:

  http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2008/02/privacy_board

  -jmz

On 2/5/08, keith smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> These actions and policies have not been tried in court.  We still have a
> 4th amendment.
>
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
> effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
> and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
> affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
> persons or things to be seized.
>
>
> Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2008 7:44 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 19:12 -0700, JT Moree wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Craig White wrote:
> > >
> > > > as for off-topic/on-topic inflammatory statements that tend to
> generate
> > > > long off topic discussions...
> > > >
> > > > KDE rules! GNOME sucks!
> > > I agree
> > >
> > > > Emacs rules! vi sucks!
> > > I prefer vi
> > >
> > > > Fedora rules! SuSE sucks!
> > > I prefer DEbian based distros but even the latest kubuntu is giving me
> fits.
> > >
> > >
> > > > You get my point - if you had merely laughed and let my comment pass,
> we
> > > > clearly would have had 5-10 less discussions on this topic.
> > >
> > > and you get my point? if you had not posted the flamebait then we would
> > > not be having this discussion. :/
> > 
> > as I've already stated, that wasn't flamebait.
> >
> > This is flamebait...
> >
> > A president who proposes a record 3.1 trillion dollar budget for FY-2009
> > including $515 billion for the defense department, $70 billion dollars
> > for bridge spending in Iraq/Afghanistan (for only the 1st quarter of
> > 2009) yet knowing that Congress has yet to act upon it's current
> > 'emergency war funding request' of $110 billion while cutting Medicare
> > and Medicaid benefits in the same proposal.
>
> I think it was called 'The Omnibus Screw Middle Class Americans Bill'.
>
> Anyway, every single person on PLUG should be aware of the Telecom
> Immunity issue. We are all connected to this industry and capable of
> understanding this issue. It is extremely important that YOU, as an
> American understand what is happening to your rights to privacy. The
> level of privilege (economically and politically) that such powers of
> surveillance afford to small, and often unnamed parties is perhaps the
> greatest threat to American liberty in decades.
>
> -jmz
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>
> 
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>
>
> 
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Re: Flamebait

[keith smith]

These things will get resolved through appeals to the supreme court.  The 
Constitution of the United States is the test.

Anyone can do anything until it ends up in court which it will. 



Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   hope you caught this one:

  http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2008/02/privacy_board

  -jmz

On 2/5/08, keith smith  wrote:
> These actions and policies have not been tried in court.  We still have a
> 4th amendment.
>
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
> effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
> and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
> affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
> persons or things to be seized.
>
>
> Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2008 7:44 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 19:12 -0700, JT Moree wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Craig White wrote:
> > >
> > > > as for off-topic/on-topic inflammatory statements that tend to
> generate
> > > > long off topic discussions...
> > > >
> > > > KDE rules! GNOME sucks!
> > > I agree
> > >
> > > > Emacs rules! vi sucks!
> > > I prefer vi
> > >
> > > > Fedora rules! SuSE sucks!
> > > I prefer DEbian based distros but even the latest kubuntu is giving me
> fits.
> > >
> > >
> > > > You get my point - if you had merely laughed and let my comment pass,
> we
> > > > clearly would have had 5-10 less discussions on this topic.
> > >
> > > and you get my point? if you had not posted the flamebait then we would
> > > not be having this discussion. :/
> > 
> > as I've already stated, that wasn't flamebait.
> >
> > This is flamebait...
> >
> > A president who proposes a record 3.1 trillion dollar budget for FY-2009
> > including $515 billion for the defense department, $70 billion dollars
> > for bridge spending in Iraq/Afghanistan (for only the 1st quarter of
> > 2009) yet knowing that Congress has yet to act upon it's current
> > 'emergency war funding request' of $110 billion while cutting Medicare
> > and Medicaid benefits in the same proposal.
>
> I think it was called 'The Omnibus Screw Middle Class Americans Bill'.
>
> Anyway, every single person on PLUG should be aware of the Telecom
> Immunity issue. We are all connected to this industry and capable of
> understanding this issue. It is extremely important that YOU, as an
> American understand what is happening to your rights to privacy. The
> level of privilege (economically and politically) that such powers of
> surveillance afford to small, and often unnamed parties is perhaps the
> greatest threat to American liberty in decades.
>
> -jmz
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WIRELESS NOT WORKING

[bmike101]

I changed the ip in the linux box 192.168.1.201 and then added a static ip 
(same number)now the linux box  sees the router but not the internet.
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Re: HDHomeRun + Basic Cable + MythTV

[Marc]

At my apartment, I only have the basic channels (up to 22 or so).  At a 
house, I have expanded, but have not tried the HDHR there.  I have two 
PVR150's at the house and am able to tape everything. 

I don't know about the compression.  My understanding is that the HDHR 
receives the raw MPEG stream and just sends it to the server.  There is 
not encoding like the analog cards.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 2/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I have basic cable, but read on this list and other places that I could
>> get HD from it (which worked).
>> 
>
> I just did a whole MythTV setup too but then discovered that the
> expanded channels (22-99) in Tempe require a box.  In my last place
> expanded was delivered as analog.  Ticks me off that I spent so much
> building a DVR and suddenly it was rendered useless.
>
> A couple questions.   Do you have the cox expanded channels and can
> the HDHomeRun decode them?  Does it do compression of the streams so
> the DVR doesn't have to do it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
>   

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Re: Cut Cables

[Charles Jones]

Personally I find it interesting that Britney Spears doctor visits make 
headline news, but not a peep from "the media" about the apparent 
deliberate cutoff of entire countries communications.
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Re: WIRELESS NOT WORKING

[Jon M. Hanson]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 10:25:48AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I changed the ip in the linux box 192.168.1.201 and then added a static ip 
> (same number)now the linux box  sees the router but not the internet.

You need to change the default gateway of your Linux box to the IP
address of the router.

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Re: Cut Cables

[Joshua Zeidner]

On 2/5/08, Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally I find it interesting that Britney Spears doctor visits make
> headline news, but not a peep from "the media" about the apparent
> deliberate cutoff of entire countries communications.


  yes, that's what happens when you've got an ass for a chairman of the FCC.

  -jmz
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Re: Cable cuts

[Charles Jones]

Joshua Zeidner wrote:

On 2/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On the other hand, there IS Murphy's Law, or have we forgotten that?...

Mike



  oh please!  are you suggesting that they all got accidentaly cut by
a ship's anchor?
I read that they verified via satellite that there were no ships in the 
vicinity, thus disproving the anchor theory.  Strange things are afoot 
at the Circle-K.


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Learn 10 Good Unix Usage Habits

[Charles Jones]

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-badunixhabits.html
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router And linux

[bmike101]

as you've learned the linux box will now see the router  after the linux box's 
ip was made static however it still would not see the internet. I  then noticed 
a button in which I could view the routing table and the word 'gateway'. The 
gears then started  creaking and I realized that the3 linux box needs a gateway 
to tell it what ip address to look at. ( I think that is hows to explain it if 
I am right at all).  The mnan page for ifconnfig  doesn't show anything special 
and neither does  apropos gateway.
Could someone help?
What really upsets me is that the linux box wasz automagically detected when i 
first set it up!!
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Re: Cut Cables

[Alan Dayley]

Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On 2/5/08, Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Personally I find it interesting that Britney Spears doctor visits make
>> headline news, but not a peep from "the media" about the apparent
>> deliberate cutoff of entire countries communications.
> 
> 
>   yes, that's what happens when you've got an ass for a chairman of the FCC.

I don't see a connection here.  Certainly not a direct one, anyway.

How does the performance of the FCC chairman effect what news stories do
or don't get reported?

Alan




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WIRELESS NOT WORKING

[bmike101]

I changed the ip in the linux box 192.168.1.201 and then added a static ip 
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Re: Cable cuts

[Joshua Zeidner]

On 2/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On the other hand, there IS Murphy's Law, or have we forgotten that?...
>
> Mike

  oh please!  are you suggesting that they all got accidentaly cut by
a ship's anchor?

  -jmz
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Re: Cut Cables

[Joshua Zeidner]

On 2/5/08, Alan Dayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> > On 2/5/08, Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Personally I find it interesting that Britney Spears doctor visits make
> >> headline news, but not a peep from "the media" about the apparent
> >> deliberate cutoff of entire countries communications.
> >
> >
> >   yes, that's what happens when you've got an ass for a chairman of the FCC.
>
> I don't see a connection here.  Certainly not a direct one, anyway.
>
> How does the performance of the FCC chairman effect what news stories do
> or don't get reported?

  Alan,

unfortunately, not too many 'tech guys' understand the Media biz
all too well.  I'll try to put this into concise terms here:

consolidation = 'information richness'--.

in other words, if media is owned by few- then obviously the
overall choices are diminished.  The basis of our information then
takes on a less diverse character, and typically in order to maintain
this situation, the 'illusion of news' needs to be propagated.  So we
fill the viewers heads will all sorts of useless topics like Britany
Spears, etc. because we have to report *something* [1] and we employ
people with nice haircuts and terse voices to give the illusion of
importance,  because without some kind of information to fill our
heads, we will have the feeling that we are being uninformed, in which
case the program has no or an opposite effect.  The last failsafe is
to prevent the 'media consumer' from essentially smashing their TV
set.

   Martin @ FCC has persued a consistent policy of promoting
monopolization of the media, often in direct opposition to public
protest.  Specifically Martin's treatment of the newspaper medium will
have a drastic effect.

   For a background in these topics I recommend reading Walter Lippman.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Lippmann

   Also Dan Gillmor is somewhat of a figure in this realm.  He now
works at ASU.

   http://www.dangillmor.com/

  -jmz



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Re: router And linux

[Shawn Badger]

run in the shell

sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1

for your setup. but this will not persist past a reboot. Then you can find
out where in you particular distro to set the default gateway permanently.


On Feb 5, 2008 10:58 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> as you've learned the linux box will now see the router  after the linux
> box's ip was made static however it still would not see the internet. I
>  then noticed a button in which I could view the routing table and the word
> 'gateway'. The gears then started  creaking and I realized that the3 linux
> box needs a gateway to tell it what ip address to look at. ( I think that is
> hows to explain it if I am right at all).  The mnan page for ifconnfig
>  doesn't show anything special and neither does  apropos gateway.
> Could someone help?
> What really upsets me is that the linux box wasz automagically detected
> when i first set it up!!
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Re: Learn 10 Good Unix Usage Habits

[Shawn Badger]

Nice find!!

On Feb 5, 2008 10:53 AM, Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-badunixhabits.html
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Re: Flamebait

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 20:05 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2008 7:44 PM, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 19:12 -0700, JT Moree wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Craig White wrote:
> > >
> > > > as for off-topic/on-topic inflammatory statements that tend to generate
> > > > long off topic discussions...
> > > >
> > > > KDE rules!  GNOME sucks!
> > > I agree
> > >
> > > > Emacs rules!vi sucks!
> > > I prefer vi
> > >
> > > > Fedora rules!   SuSE sucks!
> > > I prefer DEbian based distros but even the latest kubuntu is giving me 
> > > fits.
> > >
> > >
> > > > You get my point - if you had merely laughed and let my comment pass, we
> > > > clearly would have had 5-10 less discussions on this topic.
> > >
> > > and you get my point?  if you had not posted the flamebait then we would
> > > not be having this discussion.  :/
> > 
> > as I've already stated, that wasn't flamebait.
> >
> > This is flamebait...
> >
> > A president who proposes a record 3.1 trillion dollar budget for FY-2009
> > including $515 billion for the defense department, $70 billion dollars
> > for bridge spending in Iraq/Afghanistan (for only the 1st quarter of
> > 2009) yet knowing that Congress has yet to act upon it's current
> > 'emergency war funding request' of $110 billion while cutting Medicare
> > and Medicaid benefits in the same proposal.
> 
>   I think it was called 'The Omnibus Screw Middle Class Americans Bill'.
> 
>   Anyway, every single person on PLUG should be aware of the Telecom
> Immunity issue.  We are all connected to this industry and capable of
> understanding this issue.  It is extremely important that YOU, as an
> American understand what is happening to your rights to privacy.  The
> level of privilege (economically and politically) that such powers of
> surveillance afford to small, and often unnamed parties is perhaps the
> greatest threat to American liberty in decades.

just a few minutes ago...

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/05/swire-black-boxes/

Craig

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Re: Cut Cables

[Joshua Zeidner]

 a great clip re. this topic:  http://youtube.com/watch?v=6VdNcCcweL0

  -jmz


On 2/5/08, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/5/08, Alan Dayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> > > On 2/5/08, Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Personally I find it interesting that Britney Spears doctor visits make
> > >> headline news, but not a peep from "the media" about the apparent
> > >> deliberate cutoff of entire countries communications.
> > >
> > >
> > >   yes, that's what happens when you've got an ass for a chairman of the 
> > > FCC.
> >
> > I don't see a connection here.  Certainly not a direct one, anyway.
> >
> > How does the performance of the FCC chairman effect what news stories do
> > or don't get reported?
>
>  Alan,
>
>unfortunately, not too many 'tech guys' understand the Media biz
> all too well.  I'll try to put this into concise terms here:
>
>consolidation = 'information richness'--.
>
>in other words, if media is owned by few- then obviously the
> overall choices are diminished.  The basis of our information then
> takes on a less diverse character, and typically in order to maintain
> this situation, the 'illusion of news' needs to be propagated.  So we
> fill the viewers heads will all sorts of useless topics like Britany
> Spears, etc. because we have to report *something* [1] and we employ
> people with nice haircuts and terse voices to give the illusion of
> importance,  because without some kind of information to fill our
> heads, we will have the feeling that we are being uninformed, in which
> case the program has no or an opposite effect.  The last failsafe is
> to prevent the 'media consumer' from essentially smashing their TV
> set.
>
>   Martin @ FCC has persued a consistent policy of promoting
> monopolization of the media, often in direct opposition to public
> protest.  Specifically Martin's treatment of the newspaper medium will
> have a drastic effect.
>
>   For a background in these topics I recommend reading Walter Lippman.
>
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Lippmann
>
>   Also Dan Gillmor is somewhat of a figure in this realm.  He now
> works at ASU.
>
>   http://www.dangillmor.com/
>
>  -jmz
>
>
>
>  [1] And appealing to your reproductive instincts is perhaps the most
> effective way to provide this stimulus.
>
>
>
>
> --
>


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Re: Flamebait

[Joshua Zeidner]

On 2/5/08, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >   Anyway, every single person on PLUG should be aware of the Telecom
> > Immunity issue.  We are all connected to this industry and capable of
> > understanding this issue.  It is extremely important that YOU, as an
> > American understand what is happening to your rights to privacy.  The
> > level of privilege (economically and politically) that such powers of
> > surveillance afford to small, and often unnamed parties is perhaps the
> > greatest threat to American liberty in decades.
> 
> just a few minutes ago...
>
> http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/05/swire-black-boxes/
>

 best line on that page:

  "time to impeach these LUNATICS"

 -jmz
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Re: Cut Cables

[Kristian Erik Hermansen]

On Feb 5, 2008 9:35 AM, Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally I find it interesting that Britney Spears doctor visits make
> headline news, but not a peep from "the media" about the apparent
> deliberate cutoff of entire countries communications.

It's due to new code running at all media outlets...

find_story(details, ...) {
  if(details.include(boobs))
publish_story(now());
  else
filter(details);
}
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Re: HDHomeRun + Basic Cable + MythTV

[Erich Newell]

You may get away with your VIA EPIA M-1 if you have an NVidia card
that supports XvMC. The oldest cards that do a good job with this are
the Ti4200 series (but not the 4600!!!) You can pick-up older cards
for super cheap on ebay that aren't good for today's gaming but will
do XvMC support very well...although there are some known issues with
XvMC and HD sized frames. Check the mythtv wiki for an accurate list
of which ones have xvmc support.

I also know that there is XvMC for VIA...look in your deinterlacing
options an try a couple of configurations. You may be able to breathe
more life into it yet.

My media box is currently a P4 3.0 ghz with 1GB PC3700 and an old
Ti4600. Its uses about 20-30% to play 720p / 1080i HDTV. I *was* able
to do the same on my old AMD 1800+ with a Ti4200 and XvMC until the
card died a year or so ago...so I built the current system with parts
lying around. So far so good.

Another note: I have my server in the back room doing all the
recording...my media box pulls all its actual media across the network
from the mythtv backend, which in turn is pulling them from an
HDHomeRun.

- Erich

-- 
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about finding the answers to those questions is the way he goes
through life."



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> install SageTV, I would have to purchase a Windows license, a SageTV
> license, and then any placeshifter licenses (clients).  I would need
> Windows on the server because I want to watch DVD's there and they don't
> allow that under Linux.
>
> I have basic cable, but read on this list and other places that I could
> get HD from it (which worked).  I purchased the HDHomeRun from
> SiliconDust and so far, I'm impressed.  It is a tiny, network attached
> HD tuner with two inputs.  It took a few minutes to hook up and I was on
> my way to HD!
>
> Well, almost, it recognized the channels and I had to remap them in
> MythTV, but my server isn't close to being able to watch HD.  It is a
> VIA EPIA M-1.  I then found the SD channels and mapped to those
> instead, removing the HD channels.  Still, in the long run, when I can
> afford a better computer, I can use this for HD.
>
> The last thing to do is pay for SchedulesDirect so I can have a TV
> listing.  At $20 a year, it is affordable, and a lot cheaper than the
> SageTV way.
>
> I just thought I report my little adventure if anyone else wanted to do
> HD.
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Re: Learn 10 Good Unix Usage Habits

[Daniel Parraz]

Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-badunixhabits.html
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Charles,

Thanks for the link - I'm sure many people on this list with benefit from this, 
no matter how many years of *nix experience they may have, we all gather bad 
habits here and there :)

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Re: OT - Flamebait

[JD Austin]

>  best line on that page:
>
>   "time to impeach these LUNATICS"
>
>  -jmz
>   
I think that line fits every politician in office right now regardless 
of party :)
I look at Washington DC as a whole and think... Idiocracy (movie) didn't 
have it so wrong :)

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Re: Flamebait

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 11:55 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On 2/5/08, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > >   Anyway, every single person on PLUG should be aware of the Telecom
> > > Immunity issue.  We are all connected to this industry and capable of
> > > understanding this issue.  It is extremely important that YOU, as an
> > > American understand what is happening to your rights to privacy.  The
> > > level of privilege (economically and politically) that such powers of
> > > surveillance afford to small, and often unnamed parties is perhaps the
> > > greatest threat to American liberty in decades.
> > 
> > just a few minutes ago...
> >
> > http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/05/swire-black-boxes/
> >
> 
>  best line on that page:
> 
>   "time to impeach these LUNATICS"

that was from a commenter - you know how those liberal blogs are...

;-)

Craig

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Re: wirelessnot working

[Michael Havens]

thanks for the help guys!
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Re: Cut Cables

[Alan Dayley]

Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> 
>   Alan,
> 
> unfortunately, not too many 'tech guys' understand the Media biz
> all too well.  I'll try to put this into concise terms here:
> 
> consolidation = 'information richness'--.
> 
> in other words, if media is owned by few- then obviously the
> overall choices are diminished.  The basis of our information then
> takes on a less diverse character, and typically in order to maintain
> this situation, the 'illusion of news' needs to be propagated.  So we
> fill the viewers heads will all sorts of useless topics like Britany
> Spears, etc. because we have to report *something* [1] and we employ
> people with nice haircuts and terse voices to give the illusion of
> importance,  because without some kind of information to fill our
> heads, we will have the feeling that we are being uninformed, in which
> case the program has no or an opposite effect.  The last failsafe is
> to prevent the 'media consumer' from essentially smashing their TV
> set.
> 
>Martin @ FCC has persued a consistent policy of promoting
> monopolization of the media, often in direct opposition to public
> protest.  Specifically Martin's treatment of the newspaper medium will
> have a drastic effect.
> 
>For a background in these topics I recommend reading Walter Lippman.
> 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Lippmann
> 
>Also Dan Gillmor is somewhat of a figure in this realm.  He now
> works at ASU.
> 
>http://www.dangillmor.com/
> 
>   -jmz
> 
> 
> 
>  [1] And appealing to your reproductive instincts is perhaps the most
> effective way to provide this stimulus.

Thanks for the information.  I'll look at them later but I think I get
your gist.  And I agree that less sources of information and so on leads
to the "illusion of news."

Alan



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OT: need a flash resource

[Josh Coffman]

I don't know if I've posted this here before, but I need a flash
resource. I'm advising someone on an idea and we need some expert
advise on possible flash related solutions.

Please send me any references you'd recommend. looking for someone to
offer suggestions and rough guestimates.

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[OT] Weasels

[Craig White]

In our midst...

apparently become unhinged when I link this picture

http://www.tobyhouse.com/mccain.jpg

on PLUG mail list

This picture should become permanently etched in the minds of anyone who
intends to vote either today or the first Tuesday in coming November.

But Richard...you don't have to be a weasel about it...if you had just
asked, I would have given you my boss's e-mail address.

He's seen the picture though...you're going to have to come up with
something more creative. In the meantime, I wish you could find the
courage to defend whatever it was that bothered you about the picture
rather than do a scum sucking sneak attack.

Craig

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Re: router And linux

[Michael Havens]

IO've been investigating how to make this always reset correctly (was thinking 
of putting a line in a startup script) when I happened upon dhclient. This is 
installed in my system, Can I use it? I was thinking thaat perhaps it is 
already in use because of howq when I initially installed the router it 
worked. What are your thoughts?

On Tuesday 05 February 2008 6:14 pm, Shawn Badger wrote:
> run in the shell
>
> sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
>
> for your setup. but this will not persist past a reboot. Then you can find
> out where in you particular distro to set the default gateway permanently.
>
> On Feb 5, 2008 10:58 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > as you've learned the linux box will now see the router  after the linux
> > box's ip was made static however it still would not see the internet. I
> >  then noticed a button in which I could view the routing table and the
> > word 'gateway'. The gears then started  creaking and I realized that the3
> > linux box needs a gateway to tell it what ip address to look at. ( I
> > think that is hows to explain it if I am right at all).  The mnan page
> > for ifconnfig doesn't show anything special and neither does  apropos
> > gateway. Could someone help?
> > What really upsets me is that the linux box wasz automagically detected
> > when i first set it up!!
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Re: OT: need a flash resource

[Alan Dayley]

Josh Coffman wrote:
> I don't know if I've posted this here before, but I need a flash
> resource. I'm advising someone on an idea and we need some expert
> advise on possible flash related solutions.
> 
> Please send me any references you'd recommend. looking for someone to
> offer suggestions and rough guestimates.
> 

I assume you mean "programming in Adobe Flash" and not "using flash
solid-state storage."  If I am wrong, I might could help.

/me is not an Adobe Flash programmer

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Re: HDHomeRun + Basic Cable + MythTV

[chip33az]

I tried a few settings, but I don't think I'll be able to do any more 
with it. 

I don't know if I should buy a new computer (tight on cash - upcoming 
wedding), or get an HTPC case and put my AMD 2400+ with Ti4200 in the 
living room as the TV server.

Once I get some cash, I would then build a new computer for myself.

Erich Newell wrote:
> You may get away with your VIA EPIA M-1 if you have an NVidia card
> that supports XvMC. The oldest cards that do a good job with this are
> the Ti4200 series (but not the 4600!!!) You can pick-up older cards
> for super cheap on ebay that aren't good for today's gaming but will
> do XvMC support very well...although there are some known issues with
> XvMC and HD sized frames. Check the mythtv wiki for an accurate list
> of which ones have xvmc support.
>
> I also know that there is XvMC for VIA...look in your deinterlacing
> options an try a couple of configurations. You may be able to breathe
> more life into it yet.
>
> My media box is currently a P4 3.0 ghz with 1GB PC3700 and an old
> Ti4600. Its uses about 20-30% to play 720p / 1080i HDTV. I *was* able
> to do the same on my old AMD 1800+ with a Ti4200 and XvMC until the
> card died a year or so ago...so I built the current system with parts
> lying around. So far so good.
>
> Another note: I have my server in the back room doing all the
> recording...my media box pulls all its actual media across the network
> from the mythtv backend, which in turn is pulling them from an
> HDHomeRun.
>
> - Erich
>
>   

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Re: [OT] Weasels

[Kevin Faulkner]

Is this a desperate cry for attention or do you really enjoy annoying
people??? This list isn't a place to discuss politics especially when
your message has nothing to do with technology. Go to a coffee shop or
an IRC room I'm sure that they would love to have discussions like
this. But other people have already voiced that they don't like the
conversations that have been going on recently.
Thank You.
If you like you can talk to me
jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:48:11 -0700
Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In our midst...
> 
> apparently become unhinged when I link this picture
> 
> http://www.tobyhouse.com/mccain.jpg
> 
> on PLUG mail list
> 
> This picture should become permanently etched in the minds of anyone
> who intends to vote either today or the first Tuesday in coming
> November.
> 
> But Richard...you don't have to be a weasel about it...if you had just
> asked, I would have given you my boss's e-mail address.
> 
> He's seen the picture though...you're going to have to come up with
> something more creative. In the meantime, I wish you could find the
> courage to defend whatever it was that bothered you about the picture
> rather than do a scum sucking sneak attack.
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: [OT] Weasels

[Charles Jones]

Craig White wrote:
> But Richard...you don't have to be a weasel about it...if you had just
> asked, I would have given you my boss's e-mail address.
>
> He's seen the picture though...you're going to have to come up with
> something more creative. In the meantime, I wish you could find the
> courage to defend whatever it was that bothered you about the picture
> rather than do a scum sucking sneak attack.
>   
Are you saying he contacted/complained to your boss?  Isn't this getting 
a bit out of hand? This reminds me of a conversation I overheard in the 
grocery store, where a mom received an angry call from some 14 year old 
girl 3 states away...aparently her (the moms) child had posted on 
MySpace that she (the caller) was a "ho". Apparently she wasn't winning 
the online war of words so she decided to play the trump card - "I'll 
tell your mom". :-)

Maybe we should start a PLUG Fightclub, where every month we all get 
together and beat the hell out of each other over the hottest issue at 
hand.  It could bring a whole new meaning to "distro wars" ;-)

Seriously though, there's nothing wrong with a heated, non ad-hominem, 
online debate (in the proper forum). However, once it turns into 
mud-slinging or messing with peoples real world lives (messing with 
their jobs/house/car/phone/email), it usually just gets worse unless 
both sides agree to just drop it.

-Charles
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Re: [OT] Weasels

[alex]

Quoting Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Seriously though, there's nothing wrong with a heated, non ad-hominem,
> online debate (in the proper forum). However, once it turns into
> mud-slinging or messing with peoples real world lives (messing with
> their jobs/house/car/phone/email), it usually just gets worse unless
> both sides agree to just drop it.
>
> -Charles

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Re: [OT] Weasels

[Joshua Zeidner]

Kevin,

  It's Super Tuesday... let it fly.

 -jmz


On Feb 5, 2008 3:01 PM, Kevin Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this a desperate cry for attention or do you really enjoy annoying
> people??? This list isn't a place to discuss politics especially when
> your message has nothing to do with technology. Go to a coffee shop or
> an IRC room I'm sure that they would love to have discussions like
> this. But other people have already voiced that they don't like the
> conversations that have been going on recently.
> Thank You.
> If you like you can talk to me
> jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:48:11 -0700
> Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In our midst...
> >
> > apparently become unhinged when I link this picture
> >
> > http://www.tobyhouse.com/mccain.jpg
> >
> > on PLUG mail list
> >
> > This picture should become permanently etched in the minds of anyone
> > who intends to vote either today or the first Tuesday in coming
> > November.
> >
> > But Richard...you don't have to be a weasel about it...if you had just
> > asked, I would have given you my boss's e-mail address.
> >
> > He's seen the picture though...you're going to have to come up with
> > something more creative. In the meantime, I wish you could find the
> > courage to defend whatever it was that bothered you about the picture
> > rather than do a scum sucking sneak attack.
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: Implications Of Yahoo-MSFT merger

[Joshua Zeidner]

On Feb 3, 2008 9:32 AM, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/1/08, Darrin Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'll be holding onto my Google stock, thank you very much. ;-)

  oops...  
http://www.parislemon.com/2008/02/google-is-like-rock-that-is-falling.html

  -jmz

>
>   Even though Google may be set for growth, their stock is still
> overvalued.  I tend to think we are about to see a cycle where all
> asset classes return to strict fundamentals.
>
>   -jmz
>
>
>
>
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Re: Implications Of Yahoo-MSFT merger

[Kristian Erik Hermansen]

On Feb 5, 2008 2:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   oops...  
> http://www.parislemon.com/2008/02/google-is-like-rock-that-is-falling.html

Typical head-and-shoulders pattern there :-)  Any technical analysis
folks in the room!?!?  Hehehehe...
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Re: HDHomeRun + Basic Cable + MythTV

[Erich Newell]

An AMD2400+ with a Ti4200 should cut it as a Frontend just fine...but
don't look to record and watch at the same time with that system. I
can't recommend highly enough a multi PC solution for recording and
playing (backend + 'n' frontends).

On Feb 5, 2008 3:09 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tried a few settings, but I don't think I'll be able to do any more
> with it.
>
> I don't know if I should buy a new computer (tight on cash - upcoming
> wedding), or get an HTPC case and put my AMD 2400+ with Ti4200 in the
> living room as the TV server.
>
> Once I get some cash, I would then build a new computer for myself.
>
> Erich Newell wrote:
> > You may get away with your VIA EPIA M-1 if you have an NVidia card
> > that supports XvMC. The oldest cards that do a good job with this are
> > the Ti4200 series (but not the 4600!!!) You can pick-up older cards
> > for super cheap on ebay that aren't good for today's gaming but will
> > do XvMC support very well...although there are some known issues with
> > XvMC and HD sized frames. Check the mythtv wiki for an accurate list
> > of which ones have xvmc support.
> >
> > I also know that there is XvMC for VIA...look in your deinterlacing
> > options an try a couple of configurations. You may be able to breathe
> > more life into it yet.
> >
> > My media box is currently a P4 3.0 ghz with 1GB PC3700 and an old
> > Ti4600. Its uses about 20-30% to play 720p / 1080i HDTV. I *was* able
> > to do the same on my old AMD 1800+ with a Ti4200 and XvMC until the
> > card died a year or so ago...so I built the current system with parts
> > lying around. So far so good.
> >
> > Another note: I have my server in the back room doing all the
> > recording...my media box pulls all its actual media across the network
> > from the mythtv backend, which in turn is pulling them from an
> > HDHomeRun.
> >
> > - Erich
> >
> >
>
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Re: HDHomeRun + Basic Cable + MythTV

[Joshua Zeidner]

 another hauppauge video card for sale in Tucson, $50:

  http://tucson.craigslist.org/sys/563058862.html

 I actually used to work across the street from Hauppauge Computer Works!

 -jmz


On Feb 5, 2008 8:08 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After flip-flopping between SageTV and MythTV for the living room (the
> main computer), I decided on MythTV mostly due to cost.  If I wanted to
> install SageTV, I would have to purchase a Windows license, a SageTV
> license, and then any placeshifter licenses (clients).  I would need
> Windows on the server because I want to watch DVD's there and they don't
> allow that under Linux.
>
> I have basic cable, but read on this list and other places that I could
> get HD from it (which worked).  I purchased the HDHomeRun from
> SiliconDust and so far, I'm impressed.  It is a tiny, network attached
> HD tuner with two inputs.  It took a few minutes to hook up and I was on
> my way to HD!
>
> Well, almost, it recognized the channels and I had to remap them in
> MythTV, but my server isn't close to being able to watch HD.  It is a
> VIA EPIA M-1.  I then found the SD channels and mapped to those
> instead, removing the HD channels.  Still, in the long run, when I can
> afford a better computer, I can use this for HD.
>
> The last thing to do is pay for SchedulesDirect so I can have a TV
> listing.  At $20 a year, it is affordable, and a lot cheaper than the
> SageTV way.
>
> I just thought I report my little adventure if anyone else wanted to do
> HD.
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Re: router And linux

[Shawn Badger]

What distro are you using? There is always away to set it up without
resorting to adding to a separate script.

On Feb 5, 2008 2:50 PM, Michael Havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> IO've been investigating how to make this always reset correctly (was
> thinking
> of putting a line in a startup script) when I happened upon dhclient. This
> is
> installed in my system, Can I use it? I was thinking thaat perhaps it is
> already in use because of howq when I initially installed the router it
> worked. What are your thoughts?
>
> On Tuesday 05 February 2008 6:14 pm, Shawn Badger wrote:
> > run in the shell
> >
> > sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
> >
> > for your setup. but this will not persist past a reboot. Then you can
> find
> > out where in you particular distro to set the default gateway
> permanently.
> >
> > On Feb 5, 2008 10:58 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > as you've learned the linux box will now see the router  after the
> linux
> > > box's ip was made static however it still would not see the internet.
> I
> > >  then noticed a button in which I could view the routing table and the
> > > word 'gateway'. The gears then started  creaking and I realized that
> the3
> > > linux box needs a gateway to tell it what ip address to look at. ( I
> > > think that is hows to explain it if I am right at all).  The mnan page
> > > for ifconnfig doesn't show anything special and neither does  apropos
> > > gateway. Could someone help?
> > > What really upsets me is that the linux box wasz automagically
> detected
> > > when i first set it up!!
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Weasels

[alexanderhenry]

I rebuke the Ice Weasel.  Just when the beautiful Firefox logo gains positive 
momentum in the minds of computer users, Debian calls it a Trademark that they 
can't include.  I don't want an ice weasel, I want my sexy Firefox.
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Re: router And linux

[Michael Havens]

one of the debian derivitives

On Wednesday 06 February 2008 1:50 am, Shawn Badger wrote:
> What distro are you using? There is always away to set it up without
> resorting to adding to a separate script.
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Re: Cable cuts

[eric©]

so someone swam out from shore with a pair of dykes and just started
snipping?  :-p

eric

On Feb 5, 2008 10:51 AM, Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>  On 2/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  On the other hand, there IS Murphy's Law, or have we forgotten that?...
>
> Mike
>
>  oh please! are you suggesting that they all got accidentaly cut by
> a ship's anchor?
>  I read that they verified via satellite that there were no ships in the
> vicinity, thus disproving the anchor theory.  Strange things are afoot at
> the Circle-K.
>
>  -Charles
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user agent

[Craig White]

from web logs...what is this as a user agent?

Microsoft Data Access Internet Publishing Provider Protocol Discovery

?

Craig

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instant messenger

[Michael Havens]

How do I get YAHOO! (and others) to work through a router... I looked through 
all the settings and that didn't tell me a thing.
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Re: instant messenger

[Jon M. Hanson]

Michael Havens wrote:
How do I get YAHOO! (and others) to work through a router... I looked through 
all the settings and that didn't tell me a thing.

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You shouldn't have to do anything as far as settings on the router go.

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Re: OT: need a flash resource

[Josh Coffman]

On Feb 5, 2008 3:00 PM, Alan Dayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Josh Coffman wrote:
> > I don't know if I've posted this here before, but I need a flash
> > resource. I'm advising someone on an idea and we need some expert
> > advise on possible flash related solutions.
> >
> > Please send me any references you'd recommend. looking for someone to
> > offer suggestions and rough guestimates.
> >
>
> I assume you mean "programming in Adobe Flash" and not "using flash
> solid-state storage."  If I am wrong, I might could help.
>
> /me is not an Adobe Flash programmer
>
> Alan

yeah, looking for a flash developer. sry
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Re: instant messenger

[Ben Francom]

On Feb 5, 2008 8:56 PM, Michael Havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How do I get YAHOO! (and others) to work through a router... I looked
> through
> all the settings and that didn't tell me a thing.


If your looking for ports to open on your firewall try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers
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Re: instant messenger

[Alan Dayley]

Jon M. Hanson wrote:
> Michael Havens wrote:
>> How do I get YAHOO! (and others) to work through a router... I looked
>> through all the settings and that didn't tell me a thing.
>>   
> You shouldn't have to do anything as far as settings on the router go.

Don't do anything to your firewall.  Jon is right, you don't need to do
that for instant messengers.  Are you having problems?

Alan




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Re: instant messenger

[Michael Havens]

Yep. Gaim won't connect. What about opennig these ports?

On Wednesday 06 February 2008 5:07 am, Alan Dayley wrote:
>
> Don't do anything to your firewall.  Jon is right, you don't need to do
> that for instant messengers.  Are you having problems?
>
> Alan
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Re: instant messenger

[Alan Dayley]

Do you know any more detail than that?  Any error messages or anything?

Instant messenger programs will fall back to port 80, the web access
port, if they cannot get out on whatever one they prefer.  That is why
they are HARD to block at the firewall.

I use GAIM regularly both at home and at work.  I admin the firewalls at
home and at work.  I have never had to open any ports to make IM connect
and function.  So, again I say, you should not have to open any ports
for it to work.

Alan

Michael Havens wrote:
> Yep. Gaim won't connect. What about opennig these ports?
> 
> On Wednesday 06 February 2008 5:07 am, Alan Dayley wrote:
>> Don't do anything to your firewall.  Jon is right, you don't need to do
>> that for instant messengers.  Are you having problems?




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Re: instant messenger

[Michael Havens]

funny thing. I tried opening via gui but it just disconnects immediately. SO I 
opened it through the shell (to see what error message would pop up (and 
wouldn't you know) it opened right up! Unfortunately, after I closed 
everything the GUI still wouldn't open it successfully. 
I'm going to bed now. 
Goodnight.

On Wednesday 06 February 2008 5:36 am, Alan Dayley wrote:
> Do you know any more detail than that?  Any error messages or anything?
>
> Instant messenger programs will fall back to port 80, the web access
> port, if they cannot get out on whatever one they prefer.  That is why
> they are HARD to block at the firewall.
>
> I use GAIM regularly both at home and at work.  I admin the firewalls at
> home and at work.  I have never had to open any ports to make IM connect
> and function.  So, again I say, you should not have to open any ports
> for it to work.
>
> Alan
>
> Michael Havens wrote:
> > Yep. Gaim won't connect. What about opennig these ports?
> >
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2008 5:07 am, Alan Dayley wrote:
> >> Don't do anything to your firewall.  Jon is right, you don't need to do
> >> that for instant messengers.  Are you having problems?
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Re: Weasels

[Ted Gould]

On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 20:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I rebuke the Ice Weasel.  Just when the beautiful Firefox 
> logo gains positive momentum in the minds of computer users, 
> Debian calls it a Trademark that they can't include.  I don't 
> want an ice weasel, I want my sexy Firefox.

That's a little misleading.  The Mozilla Foundation has stated that you
can't use the Firefox trademark if you make modifications to the
codebase.  They've effectively removed the software freedom if you call
it Firefox.

I agree with Debian's decision.  And I'm excited about the Epiphany with
a webkit backend.

I understand their need to protect their trademark but a more reasonable
policy like "noting the changes in a significant way" or some such would
be more friendly.  It's difficult to find a vectored Firefox logo also,
they only release compiled copies (bitmaps).

--Ted



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Re: user agent

[Michael Sammartano]

Craig,

1. missing info, include a few complete lines. 
2. May be an attacker trying to edit your site with Front Page, if front page 
extensions are enabled,
3. If this is a windows server, the box may hev been compromised.
4. If needed contact me off list. 

Mike
 Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> from web logs...what is this as a user agent?
> 
> Microsoft Data Access Internet Publishing Provider Protocol Discovery
> 
> ?
> 
> Craig
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Re: Weasels

[David Bendit]

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At least Ice Weasel is a play on Firefox. On my Mac, I like to run some
independently-compiled version with Intel optimizations that has to be
called Bon Echo. Yuck.

- -David

Ted Gould wrote:
| On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 20:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|> I rebuke the Ice Weasel.  Just when the beautiful Firefox
|> logo gains positive momentum in the minds of computer users,
|> Debian calls it a Trademark that they can't include.  I don't
|> want an ice weasel, I want my sexy Firefox.
|
| That's a little misleading.  The Mozilla Foundation has stated that you
| can't use the Firefox trademark if you make modifications to the
| codebase.  They've effectively removed the software freedom if you call
| it Firefox.
|
| I agree with Debian's decision.  And I'm excited about the Epiphany with
| a webkit backend.
|
| I understand their need to protect their trademark but a more reasonable
| policy like "noting the changes in a significant way" or some such would
| be more friendly.  It's difficult to find a vectored Firefox logo also,
| they only release compiled copies (bitmaps).
|
|   --Ted
|
|
|
| 
|
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