Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
Good thoughts, Alex. Yours is a much better response. I regret that my own response was far less constructive. Joe On 12/10/08, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Stephen P Rufle wrote: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_Stop_holding_our_kids_back Interesting article about how a teacher took away Linux disks from a kid who was passing them out. I think the poster took the wrong tone with his reply to that teacher. Things like you've been trained well are just calculated to insult. If I were receiving a letter like that, I'd be done listening to this guy. A rant feels good when you write it, but it doesn't convince anyone of anything. The teacher he's addressing obviously not aware of open source and what it is, but that's a pretty common thing outside of technology communities. If our attitude towards such people is going to be You are obviously idiots!, I'm afraid we aren't going to advance the goals of Free Software very effectively. It would have made a lot more sense to me to say I can see why you'd be concerned about kids passing around copies of downloaded software, since copying things like Word is definitely illegal. But there's a whole world of software that doesn't work that way, and Linux is from that world. Let me show you how that can benefit your students... alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
I agree, the poster was a bit more negative than positive in regards to getting his point across. However there were two comments in his thread that would be wonderful for him to take to the Superintendent's office during the conference. Once was the information from the Finland school district that was able to increase their computer to student ratio with only a minimal investment of 42k (Euros for them) reusing old hardware and even expanding the setup to the other local community schools as well. That is just awesome. The second one would be the guy that apparently worked the other side, and he was right about correcting the poster's judgments of the NEA. I do have to wonder how many of us Linux gurus work for the school systems? How many of us are in positions where we could affect the change, or even prove the change would work? How many of us would take a cut in pay to go do that job? It really is a difficult situation, and I don't forsee any changes coming soon unless there is a sudden change in graduates from CS schools being mostly linux, and not mostly windows founded. In a country in which children's information is held (or is supposed to be held) so secretive, can we really trust a fully FOSS setup, or would it make more sense to have a small set of subprograms that handled such sensitive data not be FOSS? Anyways, great material for discussion, and definitley not OT. Sincerely, Judd Pickell --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Judd Pickell wrote: In a country in which children's information is held (or is supposed to be held) so secretive, can we really trust a fully FOSS setup, or would it make more sense to have a small set of subprograms that handled such sensitive data not be FOSS? Hm. I think you need to distinguish between software and data here. If my social security number is held in a MySQL database, then anyone can have access to the MySQL source code due to the GPL. That does not mean anyone has a right to access to my social security number. They're entirely separate concepts. The problems of electronic voting machines shows that we need open code even more strongly when it comes to securing sensitive data. Closed source does not equal secure code. I'm totally convinced of that argument. alex PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
Just to defend teachers, many are not as technically savvy as most on this list. Sure they may not understand the concept of FOSS (entirely different acronym than my wife is familiar with in Science, btw. Related to her curriculum). They've got more to deal with than kids passing out linux disks, which should be done during their free/non-instruction time and not in the classroom. The teacher mentioned that she used Linux in college, and yes it has advanced astronomically since that time in ease of use and in the amount of useful quality software that is available. True, true... This demonstration by the student was a disruption in the classroom and was handled appropriately. Just the same as if someone was showing off a new iPod or cell phone in class. Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:48:06 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
Now I have only been out of public schools for about a decade but I was in school when computers were a novelty and not a normality. In Junior High and High school I creatively reallocated the schools network to my own liking which brought on a technology policy so the schools are typically a few years behind the curve as with all IT the limited budget money is better spent elsewhere until something arises where they have to spend money there. The point is through school I saw a progression from no computers in school to a small computer lab for the whole school to at least 2 in every classroom. It wasn't until late in high school that I saw Microsoft in the schools. For the most part all the computer progression in the schools was from apple. So I would not really give in Microsoft conspiracy. In the words of Linus, I don't try to be a threat to Microsoft, mainly because I don't really see MS as competition. Especially not Windows-the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different. I think the numbers game is cool and all as the user base grows so does support from hardware vendors but at the same time often the reverse engineers do a better job on the drivers then the OEM. James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. Could be. But the believe me because you're dumber than me attitude that the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real, and a problem that many of us suffer from. well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. -jmz I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates are poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate to. That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless of the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on what's good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing. alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
SSH to GNOME keyring
moin moin, after and upgrade to Intrepid, SSH ( run from a shell in screen ) is popping up a gnome-keyring GUI asking for the password to unlock a private key. This is essentially a DoS in addition to being annoying on many levels. Since I run it from screen and don't actually look at that desktop very often, I didn't realize there was a GUI waiting for a response. There should not have been. Once I detected the GUI I notice it refuses to yield focus. Double-bad. Ah, it'll yeild the focus, but not the keyboard. Even more double-bad. DISPLAY is not set, so there should be no GUI popping up for any reason. I generally run this particular command remotely, so knowing that a GUI popped up doesn't really help. Well, I can kill the GUI via another shell should I remember what the problem is. Any suggestions on how to turn this GUI off? I can remove ssh-askpass-gnome and break ubuntu-desktop. I can remove id_dsa. In other circumstances neither of those would be an option. I suppose I could use -i to specify a non-existent identity file, but intentionally breaking things generally seems like the wrong solution. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # I've got a photographic memory, # but I'm lousy photographer. - der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. Could be. But the believe me because you're dumber than me attitude that the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real, and a problem that many of us suffer from. well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. -jmz I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates are poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate to. That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless of the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on what's good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing. alex Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! _ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/attachment: troll.jpg--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. Could be. But the believe me because you're dumber than me attitude that the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real, and a problem that many of us suffer from. well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. -jmz I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates are poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate to. That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless of the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on what's good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing. alex Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! awesome picture. I wonder if those things are genetically related to Furbys. an interesting thing I've noticed in recent years is that 'troll' has come to be used interchangeably with 'someone who doesnt agree with me'. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! While it would not surprise me if the story turns out to be fake, I still find it believable. Over the years I have encountered real-life people in the Gilbert Public School system and in business that are like the teacher in this story. I had a brief discussion with one gentleman who was completely adamant that MS was the only way, FLOSS == communism and actually used the phrase that Linux would hold our kids back. He was quite serious and I dropped the conversation simply to stop the vitriol. Another example: The Boy Scouts of America Computers Merit Badge book has a section on copyrights. It states that copying any software is against the law, (or words to that effect) which is, of course, false. This shows an ignorance of copyright principles and possibilities in an otherwise acceptable book for teaching technology to children. That such ideas exist in school systems around the world should be expected. If a teacher was told that all copying of software was illegal without balancing information, they might react by confiscating CDs. Combining such ignorant and intolerant beliefs in a teacher with a power-trip attitude could easily result in the actions and words described in the article. Of this I have no doubt. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
Hmm... Whether or not the story is real doesn't really affect us one way or the other. I believe we can all agree that the action taken in this possibly fictitious account is not a good example of how to advance the FOSS cause. In the discussion, though, it seems that people have seen problems with educators needing educating about the alternatives to MS. Does anyone know any good material that doesn't speak down to the lay-person? I've found that most people, and cash-strapped educators particularly, are open to new information if presented in a non-threatening and non-confrontational manner. MS dumps billions into advertising with little to counter it. It's no wonder the average joe/jane has a skewed perception of history and their current options. I think having a simple response to someone spouting the MS tagline would be beneficial to the cause. Something like Please visit intelligent-sounding-site-name.com if you want to hear the other side of the story. I've looked a bit, and most of the FOSS propoganda can best be described as erudite and at worst, rabid. Does anyone know of a good site that can be referenced to ejumacate folks? On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. Could be. But the believe me because you're dumber than me attitude that the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real, and a problem that many of us suffer from. well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. -jmz I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates are poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate to. That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless of the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on what's good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing. alex Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! awesome picture. I wonder if those things are genetically related to Furbys. an interesting thing I've noticed in recent years is that 'troll' has come to be used interchangeably with 'someone who doesnt agree with me'. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SSH to GNOME keyring
Google-foo says gconftool-2 --set -t bool /apps/gnome-keyring/daemon-components/ssh false http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Ssh I can't say if it work, as I like the little poppup. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, der.hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moin moin, after and upgrade to Intrepid, SSH ( run from a shell in screen ) is popping up a gnome-keyring GUI asking for the password to unlock a private key. This is essentially a DoS in addition to being annoying on many levels. Since I run it from screen and don't actually look at that desktop very often, I didn't realize there was a GUI waiting for a response. There should not have been. Once I detected the GUI I notice it refuses to yield focus. Double-bad. Ah, it'll yeild the focus, but not the keyboard. Even more double-bad. DISPLAY is not set, so there should be no GUI popping up for any reason. I generally run this particular command remotely, so knowing that a GUI popped up doesn't really help. Well, I can kill the GUI via another shell should I remember what the problem is. Any suggestions on how to turn this GUI off? I can remove ssh-askpass-gnome and break ubuntu-desktop. I can remove id_dsa. In other circumstances neither of those would be an option. I suppose I could use -i to specify a non-existent identity file, but intentionally breaking things generally seems like the wrong solution. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # I've got a photographic memory, # but I'm lousy photographer. - der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:29 PM, James Mcphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... Whether or not the story is real doesn't really affect us one way or the other. sure it does. If it is believed that we need to resort to fabricating evidence in order to make our claims, that puts everyone who uses OSS in a bad light. -jmz I believe we can all agree that the action taken in this possibly fictitious account is not a good example of how to advance the FOSS cause. In the discussion, though, it seems that people have seen problems with educators needing educating about the alternatives to MS. Does anyone know any good material that doesn't speak down to the lay-person? I've found that most people, and cash-strapped educators particularly, are open to new information if presented in a non-threatening and non-confrontational manner. MS dumps billions into advertising with little to counter it. It's no wonder the average joe/jane has a skewed perception of history and their current options. I think having a simple response to someone spouting the MS tagline would be beneficial to the cause. Something like Please visit intelligent-sounding-site-name.com if you want to hear the other side of the story. I've looked a bit, and most of the FOSS propoganda can best be described as erudite and at worst, rabid. Does anyone know of a good site that can be referenced to ejumacate folks? On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. Could be. But the believe me because you're dumber than me attitude that the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real, and a problem that many of us suffer from. well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. -jmz I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates are poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate to. That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless of the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on what's good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing. alex Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! awesome picture. I wonder if those things are genetically related to Furbys. an interesting thing I've noticed in recent years is that 'troll' has come to be used interchangeably with 'someone who doesnt agree with me'. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: SSH to GNOME keyring
Solutions: Try LibPam: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/12/automatically-unlocking-the-default-gnome-keyring-pam-keyring/ Questions: 1) Did you use encryptfs file encryption on this system? 2) Do you have any pam.d customizations? (There is a PAM patch in Intrepid) 3) Are you using any wrapped passphrase that is not automatically added into the keyring - like shhutout or shit for SSH brute force protection? 4) I assume the key is setup? www.Obnosis.com | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | (503)754-4452 Catch the January PLUG HackFest! Kristy Westphal, CSO for the AZ Department of Economic Security will provide a one hour presentation on forensics 1/10/09 Noon at UAT.edu. Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:30:28 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: SSH to GNOME keyring moin moin, after and upgrade to Intrepid, SSH ( run from a shell in screen ) is popping up a gnome-keyring GUI asking for the password to unlock a private key. This is essentially a DoS in addition to being annoying on many levels. Since I run it from screen and don't actually look at that desktop very often, I didn't realize there was a GUI waiting for a response. There should not have been. Once I detected the GUI I notice it refuses to yield focus. Double-bad. Ah, it'll yeild the focus, but not the keyboard. Even more double-bad. DISPLAY is not set, so there should be no GUI popping up for any reason. I generally run this particular command remotely, so knowing that a GUI popped up doesn't really help. Well, I can kill the GUI via another shell should I remember what the problem is. Any suggestions on how to turn this GUI off? I can remove ssh-askpass-gnome and break ubuntu-desktop. I can remove id_dsa. In other circumstances neither of those would be an option. I suppose I could use -i to specify a non-existent identity file, but intentionally breaking things generally seems like the wrong solution. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # I've got a photographic memory, # but I'm lousy photographer. - der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss _ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
How about Im-a-pc-and-I-run-linux.com _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Mcphee Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:30 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back Hmm... Whether or not the story is real doesn't really affect us one way or the other. I believe we can all agree that the action taken in this possibly fictitious account is not a good example of how to advance the FOSS cause. In the discussion, though, it seems that people have seen problems with educators needing educating about the alternatives to MS. Does anyone know any good material that doesn't speak down to the lay-person? I've found that most people, and cash-strapped educators particularly, are open to new information if presented in a non-threatening and non-confrontational manner. MS dumps billions into advertising with little to counter it. It's no wonder the average joe/jane has a skewed perception of history and their current options. I think having a simple response to someone spouting the MS tagline would be beneficial to the cause. Something like Please visit intelligent-sounding-site-name.com if you want to hear the other side of the story. I've looked a bit, and most of the FOSS propoganda can best be described as erudite and at worst, rabid. Does anyone know of a good site that can be referenced to ejumacate folks? On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. Could be. But the believe me because you're dumber than me attitude that the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real, and a problem that many of us suffer from. well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. -jmz I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates are poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate to. That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless of the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on what's good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing. alex Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! awesome picture. I wonder if those things are genetically related to Furbys. an interesting thing I've noticed in recent years is that 'troll' has come to be used interchangeably with 'someone who doesnt agree with me'. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
www.linuxa2z.com was setup after lindependence 08 in July. I think it needs some love and attention. Maybe it could serve as a place for reasonable promotional material. You need all types both brash and gentle. Sort of like Malcolm X is to Martin Luther King. I am sure Ken would love the help, You could also ask to be put on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not a real list like ours), then you could help roll the large Linux rock up the steep public opinion hill :) BTW: I already know that many in the Phoenix Metro area are doing their part. I would love to see synergy between the information learned from the sequoia charter school and the rest of the country. One of the people on Helos's list is guy named Christian Einfeldt and he is doing good things about documenting Open source success stories. http://www.digitaltippingpoint.com/ Bob Elzer wrote: How about Im-a-pc-and-I-run-linux.com *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *James Mcphee *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:30 PM *To:* Main PLUG discussion list *Subject:* Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back Hmm... Whether or not the story is real doesn't really affect us one way or the other. I believe we can all agree that the action taken in this possibly fictitious account is not a good example of how to advance the FOSS cause. In the discussion, though, it seems that people have seen problems with educators needing educating about the alternatives to MS. Does anyone know any good material that doesn't speak down to the lay-person? I've found that most people, and cash-strapped educators particularly, are open to new information if presented in a non-threatening and non-confrontational manner. MS dumps billions into advertising with little to counter it. It's no wonder the average joe/jane has a skewed perception of history and their current options. I think having a simple response to someone spouting the MS tagline would be beneficial to the cause. Something like Please visit intelligent-sounding-site-name.com http://intelligent-sounding-site-name.com if you want to hear the other side of the story. I've looked a bit, and most of the FOSS propoganda can best be described as erudite and at worst, rabid. Does anyone know of a good site that can be referenced to ejumacate folks? On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. Could be. But the believe me because you're dumber than me attitude that the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real, and a problem that many of us suffer from. well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. -jmz I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates are poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate to. That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless of the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on what's good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing. alex Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! awesome picture. I wonder if those things are
Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
Love that word edjumacate. I agree with you, Bob. We all (all Linux enthusiasts) need a polite, concise, effective way (website and perhaps other tools) to convey useful, persuasive, information about the benefits of Linux and other FOSS to the hoards who are so terribly in the dark. One huge benefit, I think, would be to simply have a comprehensive list of both major and name-recognition users who are mainly, if not exclusively Linux users, and possibly also an impressive list of quotable quotes from people of note (recognizable names, etc.) about their use of and preference for Linux. If folks would like to send such lists to me, I would be glad to try to compile those lists on a web page, but it would be even better if our PLUG website could have a link where anyone and everyone could add to a list of names and quotable quotes. Does anyone out there know of any such lists that already exist (and are up to date)? [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/10/08, Bob Elzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Im-a-pc-and-I-run-linux.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Mcphee Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:30 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back Hmm... Whether or not the story is real doesn't really affect us one way or the other. I believe we can all agree that the action taken in this possibly fictitious account is not a good example of how to advance the FOSS cause. In the discussion, though, it seems that people have seen problems with educators needing educating about the alternatives to MS. Does anyone know any good material that doesn't speak down to the lay-person? I've found that most people, and cash-strapped educators particularly, are open to new information if presented in a non-threatening and non-confrontational manner. MS dumps billions into advertising with little to counter it. It's no wonder the average joe/jane has a skewed perception of history and their current options. I think having a simple response to someone spouting the MS tagline would be beneficial to the cause. Something like Please visit intelligent-sounding-site-name.com if you want to hear the other side of the story. I've looked a bit, and most of the FOSS propoganda can best be described as erudite and at worst, rabid. Does anyone know of a good site that can be referenced to ejumacate folks? On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made up just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having now! :) Just smells a little fishy to me... I was thinking the exact same thing. Same here... the story seems very fabricated. Could be. But the believe me because you're dumber than me attitude that the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real, and a problem that many of us suffer from. well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. -jmz I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates are poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate to. That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless of the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on what's good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing. alex Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! awesome picture. I wonder if those things are genetically related to Furbys. an interesting thing I've noticed in recent years is that 'troll' has come to be used interchangeably with 'someone who doesnt agree with me'. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe,
Re: SSH to GNOME keyring
Maybe get creative with th sudoers and groups, only half breaking things? On 12/10/08, der.hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moin moin, after and upgrade to Intrepid, SSH ( run from a shell in screen ) is popping up a gnome-keyring GUI asking for the password to unlock a private key. This is essentially a DoS in addition to being annoying on many levels. Since I run it from screen and don't actually look at that desktop very often, I didn't realize there was a GUI waiting for a response. There should not have been. Once I detected the GUI I notice it refuses to yield focus. Double-bad. Ah, it'll yeild the focus, but not the keyboard. Even more double-bad. DISPLAY is not set, so there should be no GUI popping up for any reason. I generally run this particular command remotely, so knowing that a GUI popped up doesn't really help. Well, I can kill the GUI via another shell should I remember what the problem is. Any suggestions on how to turn this GUI off? I can remove ssh-askpass-gnome and break ubuntu-desktop. I can remove id_dsa. In other circumstances neither of those would be an option. I suppose I could use -i to specify a non-existent identity file, but intentionally breaking things generally seems like the wrong solution. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # I've got a photographic memory, # but I'm lousy photographer. - der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Simple Script issue..??
ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill WILL NOT WORK. I want to run the above script whack like this: whack kicker which should kill the process kicker But it chokes at the kill part and I do not know what I'm doing. and doing wrong :-) Anybody? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Simple Script issue..??
kill `ps aux|grep -v grep|grep kicker|cut -b10-15` WHAM! Gone... :) Enrique wayne writes: ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill WILL NOT WORK. I want to run the above script whack like this: whack kicker which should kill the process kicker But it chokes at the kill part and I do not know what I'm doing. and doing wrong :-) Anybody? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Simple Script issue..??
Just use: #pkill $processname Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pkill www.Obnosis.com | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | (503)754-4452 Catch the January PLUG HackFest! Kristy Westphal, CSO for the AZ Department of Economic Security will provide a one hour presentation on forensics 1/10/09 Noon at UAT.edu. Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:42:54 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Simple Script issue..?? ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill WILL NOT WORK. I want to run the above script whack like this: whack kicker which should kill the process kicker But it chokes at the kill part and I do not know what I'm doing. and doing wrong :-) Anybody? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss _ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Simple Script issue..??
Change the direction of the kill input. It may be simpler to use pkill. Maybe just change up the script to take in the input as a var and then pkill -f $var -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wayne Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:43 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Simple Script issue..?? ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill WILL NOT WORK. I want to run the above script whack like this: whack kicker which should kill the process kicker But it chokes at the kill part and I do not know what I'm doing. and doing wrong :-) Anybody? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Simple Script issue..??
kill won't take a list from stdout, but if you | xargs kill, then it'll happily do it. ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0-9]* | xargs kill or kill -9 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Bryan O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Change the direction of the kill input. It may be simpler to use pkill. Maybe just change up the script to take in the input as a var and then pkill -f $var -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wayne Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:43 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Simple Script issue..?? ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill WILL NOT WORK. I want to run the above script whack like this: whack kicker which should kill the process kicker But it chokes at the kill part and I do not know what I'm doing. and doing wrong :-) Anybody? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Simple Script issue..??
There are a few ways to skin the cat...
I always use awk to print out the command I want to run and then pipe to
bash to execute it.
It lets me see what it's going to do before it does it.
IE:
ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | awk '{print kill
$1}'
then if it's what you want:
ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | awk '{print kill
$1}' | bash
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:42 PM, wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill
WILL NOT WORK.
I want to run the above script whack like this: whack kicker
which should kill the process kicker
But it chokes at the kill part and I do not know what I'm
doing. and doing wrong :-)
Anybody?
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Re: Simple Script issue..??
On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:42 PM, wayne wrote:
ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill
WILL NOT WORK.
I want to run the above script whack like this: whack kicker
which should kill the process kicker
But it chokes at the kill part and I do not know what I'm
doing. and doing wrong :-)
Anybody?
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for i in `ps aux | grep $1 | awk '{ print $2 }'`; do kill $i; done
I have to use this all the time on errant oracle processes :)
David
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Re: Simple Script issue..?? - Thank you JAMES!
Going down the list of all your replies, James' was the first that did exactly what I was looking for. THANK YOU TO ALL for your help. :-) James Mcphee wrote: kill won't take a list from stdout, but if you | xargs kill, then it'll happily do it. ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0-9]* | xargs kill or kill -9 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Bryan O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Change the direction of the kill input. It may be simpler to use pkill. Maybe just change up the script to take in the input as a var and then pkill -f $var -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of wayne Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:43 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Simple Script issue..?? ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill WILL NOT WORK. I want to run the above script whack like this: whack kicker which should kill the process kicker But it chokes at the kill part and I do not know what I'm doing. and doing wrong :-) Anybody? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
